The Ramsey Show - If You Want to Build Wealth, Stop Acting Like Everyone Else

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

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This is the Ramsey Show. Welcome America. We're here to help you win with your money, win in your profession, and win with your relationships alongside the graceful, the fabulous Rachel Cruz, fresh off of her first inaugural ball, I might add. We might hear about that, we might not. She joins me, I'm Ken Coleman, and we're here for you.

The phone number is 888-825-5225, 888-825-5225, and these are serious topics, but we like to have some fun. We do our best to smile. We enjoy it. And coach you up because we want you to win. So it's gonna be fun today. You ready to go, partner?

Let's do it. She's ready. Megan joins us in Des Moines, Iowa. Megan, how can we help today? Hi, so excited to talk to you today. I listen every day, so this is kind of surreal. Oh, thank you. I am calling, I'm looking for some advice on bringing up estate

planning with my multi-millionaire in-laws who are unwilling to have a conversation with my husband and I, but state that he and his brother will both be taken care of when they pass. How do we inquire so we know where the assets are in the event of long-term care or their passing? So we know where the assets are in the event of long-term care or their passing. Wow Man sounds like you've tried and they're not interested So I'm not sure that there's some unique strategy We're sitting on top of because it sounds like they're like look you're fine. We'll let you know when we're gone Sounds like essentially Yeah, it said 50-50, you know, it's just my husband and his brother husband and his brother, and he said, you're taking care of it.

Let me ask you this. What is it that you all want to know? Let's just assume that they were like, sure. What is it that you're looking to discover? Well, mostly there are multiple properties involved, as well as a business that my father-in-law owns. We have no idea, because we're not in that specific field,

what we would need to do in the event of, you know, potentially selling that or his passing. So yeah, that's our major concern. All right, so that reveals the answer to my next question, Rachel, is gonna be why. Like, why do you want to know what it is that you wanna know? And it seems like you guys are trying to be thoughtful, strategic.

Yeah, and how have the conversations gone so far? Because you obviously know that they're not interested in talking about it. So who has brought up the idea of having these conversations to them? So my husband has brought them up. He is the oldest and we have a young family so he's kind of more thinking about the future for those reasons and they've also made it very clear that they do not want me involved in the conversations. Why? So that throws another added bonus. Well, I'm not sure. Do you have a good relationship with them now?

Barely. I mean we're not best friends friends, but it's not, you know, adversarial. And what about his brother? Is he married? He is not. OK. I think you've got to take a sign here. And I want to go back to my line of questioning. Yeah. So to the best of your ability, you guys need to just run a scenario, feels like to me, where you go, all right, let's say they give us this property and that property.

What would we need to know to be able to be prepared to make the most of that? Go ahead and run that exercise out. You don't need to know which ones. If you know the whole portfolio and you know that you could get, and I'm getting, let me just walk you through this. How many properties are we talking about total? Three properties, two are rentals. One is a, you know, a main home in which they live in and the total is about 2.5 million.

Okay, great. And they are owned assets. Go do your homework on those three properties. What is it that you feel like you would need to know if you were to come into ownership today? Whatever you told us your concerns were, go ahead and figure that out. Yeah, and I think too, Megan, you know, you can only control what you can control. They're not, they're, I mean, you guys have kind of asked them and they're not going to give it. So yeah, like Ken said earlier on the call, we don't have some secret like line to give you that suddenly they decide to tell you everything. So what I would do, what I can control if I was in your scenario and this was my parents is my sibling. Cause that's where the,

that's where the, the butting heads could start to happen. The fractured relationships, it's not the parents. Cause if they're gone, they're gone. Who's left is him and his brother. So if I were him, I mean, I would get in a room with his brother and be like, hey, let's just play, like to your point, let's play out some scenarios just so we can plan out as much as we can with the information we have. And then that's all we can do.

I mean, so I would just make sure that that relationship is in a healthy place because the calls that we do get a healthy place because the calls that we do get a lot on here are when a family member dies and it's handed off to siblings and their adult siblings with other kids, it starts to get messy and all this. So if you can shore up that relationship, that's what you can do. But yeah, I mean, we can't force them to tell you guys. And we're on team Megan, okay, Megan?

So take this the right way. I'm on your team, okay? They've made it clear for some reason and I'm not a therapist and nor am I a mind reader. But it's pretty clear to me that they've made it clear that they don't want you involved. So they're feeling something, whether you did something or not, that's not the point. The point is they've laid out a boundary,

I feel like, and it doesn't matter why, we don't know and you may not know. But you need to respect the boundary because it's only gonna create what Rachel is saying, some tension. So you need to go, you know what? A, they're not my parents. B, they've made it clear to my hubs

that they don't want me involved. So you know what? I'm not involved. And that would be my advice from a relationship standpoint. Let this go, because I can tell you that we can feel it on you right now. There's some angst that you have. You can hear it on you, because this is irritating to you. And that's okay, but you got to deal with that.

Because you don't have any control. Rachel nailed that. So sorry, we can't give you a hack. I mean, other than, you know, hiring some former CIA operative and get information And I think you know the family money dynamic you want to you want to wade in carefully especially as an in-law and like my in-laws are so wonderful. They are very open with us and every other year we get together as a family and his dad has even said to the in-laws like I want your thoughts and

opinions. I mean he's I mean they're very kind in that way. But I still am very aware I'm not their kid. Like, you know what I mean? Like there's still a, and even like, I think even within the Ramses, like they know everything. And again, mom and dad would love and appreciate and respect the opinions of the in-laws for sure. But there's still just that small level

of just social awareness of like, okay, these are not my parents. Or, you know, I'm the in-law that I think is appropriate to, I don't know, maybe people disagree with that, but I think there's a level of like, when you are their kid in blood, there's a level of holding that they have that an in-law never will. Yeah, I mean, what went off in your head when you heard her say, they've made it clear that they don't want me involved. I'm just curious, your female intuition and also your professional intuition.

What did you think? That it's obviously not a great relationship. That's what I thought. Because then you asked her and she said, fairly. It's okay. When someone asked me, if you asked me, do you have a good relationship with somebody and if I drop fairly on you? You know, it's probably not going well. I don't think it's great. It's certainly not great. And I think there's some problems.

I will say though too. Fairly. I will say too. It depends on the day. That generation, the parents generation too, is a more private generation, right? You think about late boomers, even into the generation, you know, before them. Like, so, so, so in her defense, they could just be very private people. I agree. That don't feel comfortable regardless of whether they have a relationship or not.

And her reasons were good. To say. But I think, I think they can get their re, the reasons why, I think they can plan for it either way. You know what's fun? People call us like this, they wanna know what we think. But you know what's fun? People call us like this. They wanna know what we think. But you know what?

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you America. You got a question about your money, you got a question about your income. That's what you got today. You got two people love to weigh in on that, and we work together to help you. So, triple eight, eight two five, five two two five. That's the number. Let's go to River. Let's see, that's a great name.

If my name was River Coleman, I'd be far more credible. You know what I mean? Exceed the success so much more than you are. I have a lot more Instagram followers as well. But alas, my name is Ken, but I'm already jealous. River in Columbus, Ohio. River, I'm jealous but happy to talk to you. How can we help?

Hey, what's going on, guys? So yeah, I kind of have a mess. I'm 20. my fiance is 23. Together we have roughly $151,000 and that's between student loans and an $18,000 auto loan. That's it? Just the student loans and the truck? Yes. Okay. That's it. My student loans, I have, I think it's like $33,000 and the rest is her. I think she has like $120,000, some thousand. But yeah, it's

confusing. It's all through Sally Mae. Yeah. What was her degree in? Sally Mae. Yeah. What was her degree in? So she's a multimedia journalist. She's a news reporter at a news station in West Virginia. What did she get her degree in? Mass media? Multimedia.

Did she go out of state to a private college? Where did she go to school? She did. Yeah, she did. And how much does she make now? So she's making 18 an hour she's making $18 an hour. I'm making $18 an hour. And I'm, but her commute is like an hour and 20 minutes. Okay, so how much are you guys bringing in a month after taxes? Like what's hitting your paycheck right now? Or like what's hitting your bank account? You guys together?

So, together, so we aren't joint accounts yet. So right now, my situation, I'm bringing in roughly $2,400 a month. She's around the same. Okay. What are you doing for work? So I work at a credit union and yeah. Okay. What are you doing for work? So I work at a credit union and yeah. Okay. What do you want to do? What are you aiming for?

You know, I'm not really sure. I'm still in school. I'm a junior in college right now getting my bachelor in business administration. I'm paying this semester out of pocket trying to cut the loans out. And the reason I asked the question where I'm not trying to solve that problem right now but I am trying to figure out what do we what can we do to get more income because that's a part of this equation. She's not making I mean neither one of them. You're very limited right now and that's a part of this equation. I did just get a promotion too. So I'll be making $21 an hour starting in the middle of February.

Okay, so help Rachel out. She'll walk you through this, but I know you guys are engaged. What is your debt? What is yours? Is yours $1.55 or is that both of you? That's together. Well, but you guys aren't together And so just to help Rachel separate what your debt is versus the fiance's debt

Well, yours is 33,000 student loans, right? Yeah, and his is 120. Yeah, mine's 33 student loan 18 truck Okay, I got that part. I misunderstood. Okay, got it. Nevermind. All right. So we got the breakdown. Yeah, but is she making close to what? 30,000?

That's what I'm trying to understand. Yeah. Yeah, she's making roughly like $31,000. Okay. So, I mean, here's the fast track of it all, which you're probably not gonna like, but if getting out of debt is your number one idea, you guys both have to make more money,

and if this is her dream and what she wants to do, is she only on air for a certain amount of time? What are her hours? Is she an early morning anchor or reporter, you said? She's midday. Midday. She's midday. She's nine to six. There's no money in that industry at this point.

Well, that's how I was going to, I mean, like, I don't know if for a short term, there's a shift and you go find something making 45, right? I mean, like, you're just like even $15,000 more with a side hustle, which I know crushes her dreams. And this is, this is not to pick on your wife forever or you, but America, this is, this is what we're talking about when we talk about student loans. She took out $120,000 in student loans to make $30,000 a year. Yeah, with very limited opportunity.

I mean, honestly, and so there is a lesson to be learned always, but for you guys, I mean, you're in it now, so obviously you can't go backwards. So I mean, if I were her, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to do anything for two to three years to get this cleaned up. So River, is she one, and by the way, do I understand this and support this? Yes. Is she one that goes, I want to take my shot and I want to go to New York, LA, I want to be in a top 10 market one day.

Is that her thing? Is she really ambitious for that? Is that a clear goal? She really is. Okay then. So that means... So here's my point. So if she were, if I were coaching her one-on-one, I'd say, all right, so you do have to stay in the game. However, you are going to have to work other jobs, do some freelance publicity, do something when you're not on set to increase her income. She's got to at least look for a 25 to 40% bump through some type of industry adjacent work in this season.

I wouldn't recommend she drop out if her goal is to move up in market, which by the way, that's how you make more money, is you go from Columbus to San Diego, San Diego to Miami. Well you go from reporter to anchor. I mean, like there's like, right, there's, yeah, for sure. But that takes time and they're limited positions.

That is a hang on and be really, really good at your job. And I would go, I mean, I could be wrong too, but I feel like that's a hard industry to have any level of freelance. You may be better waiting tables tables from that's from seven You know what I mean? Like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so It's the income problem river for you guys. I mean you just have to up your way. It absolutely is So and here's a question

so the loans her loans are broken down to like four or five different loans and So the loans, her loans are broken down to like four or five different loans and they're $22,000, $20,000, they're attached with a 12% interest rate. I was thinking, you know, it's probably best to, you know, refinance these loans, get it consolidated, you know, kind of go that route. Yeah, you can for sure. I mean, I would say that's the only type of debt I would recommend consolidating our student loans because you usually don't go back into that debt.

A lot of people play this game because I think math is their problem and interest rates are their problem, but their problem really is, it's the behavior, right? The secret of getting out of debt is not the smaller interest rate, even though that can help you to a degree, the real secret of getting out of debt is this the smaller interest rate, even though that can help you to a degree, the real secret of getting out of debt is this intensity,

this gazelle intensity we talk about, where it's like no lifestyle, nothing, you're working, insane amount of hours, and you just get it paid off, right? And so I think that, so I wouldn't put a lot of hope, but again, I would, yes, if you guys can get a better interest rate, again, it's the one type of debt, I would be okay with you guys consolidating, but don't have your hope that because you

consolidate it's going to be, it's going to be okay. Do you know what I mean? Like that there still needs to be that level of grit with you guys in this because yeah. But yeah, if you, if you get a better interest rate for sure, River, I think that that's a, that's a fine move. But again, math is usually not the problem. And I always want to reiterate that when we're getting out of debt,

it's not that it really is this hope and who you guys are as a couple and teaming up and saying, okay, this is what our life's gonna look like for the next three years. Yeah, I appreciate the call, River. And again, you guys can do this. It is not easy, but it is simple. For sure.

And I mean, to just loosen the burden a little bit, that $18,000 truck, it's right on the border of selling or not. But if you can get that down, even if you're underwater, two to 3,000, and go get a beater, I mean, that's taking a chunk off too. So be considering that.

Well, if you look at the data, we didn't ask, but if you look at the data, Rachel, I believe the number is the average car payment in America right now is like north of $750. Yeah, a new one is, yeah, $781. So let's just play off of that. So let's just imagine that his car payment is somewhere between five and $700.

I don't think that's a stretch. No, no. That's a massive raise for a young man like this who's about to get married. That's right, that's right. If you split the difference and go $600, I don't have to take my boots off to add this one. That's $7,200 a year. 600 times 12. I thought so. Yeah, you know, I don't have to use my digits. I can do that quick multiplication.

I paid attention. Ken! I paid attention to that level. Oh man, Ken jokes. Yeah, I know. You like them once you get them. I know. Once you get them, she likes them. River, we're cheering for you guys. River, we're cheering for you all. Come on River, keep on flowing. This is The Ranch. People tell me about their experiences with big banks all the time. Bad service, fees that nickel and dime them to death, and predatory lending that tries to catch them in never-ending cycles of debt. So if you're ready for a bank that puts people over profits, check out Fairwinds Credit Union. I recommend Fairwinds because they share our Ramsey values of helping people get out of

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it may not be available in all states. Today's question comes from Chase in Missouri I'm new to investing and was playing around with the investment calculator on your website I found that if you invested a thousand dollars for my bait for my baby at 10% and never put any more in. She could retire at the age of 70 with over $1 million. It's not 100 million, 1 million. Is that right? And if so, why isn't this common practice?

I don't have my investment calculator pulled up, but over 70 years, are you gonna pull it up, Kim? I'll do my best. Yeah, do, yeah, Ramsey Investment Calculator. Yeah, I mean, compound interest is powerful. And over 70 years, I probably wouldn't be surprised if you put no more in at 10% of a rate of return. And so why isn't this common practice, you ask?

Well, I mean, there's maybe a couple of reasons. One, I think parents have don't have a thousand dollars to put in. I think there's a level of margin that people are trying to find. I mean, also, you know, when you are investing for a child, you know, the recommendation of you having to be really over it because a minor can't open up their own account. So it'd be your name in it and you know Being able to transfer it to them long term is an option too. So And investing I would say to you 960 so here's what we got. I put in the current age of one

He may be thinking zero, but you know, yeah, I just did quick numbers retire at 70 You only put a1,000 in and you never contribute monthly and you're on this number you are getting an annual return of 10%. So I could drop that to 8% for the Cinex and let's see what that does. So it's a lot different 245,000. So there you go. But yeah, the question holds. Why don't more people do it? Because they don't understand compound interest. How many years or years have we taught

that simple lesson of compound interest? And then just most people don't even think about it. Yeah, and I think in investing overall, it can be an intimidating factor of money. And if you don't feel like you fully understand it, you're less apt to probably go into that world, I would say. But yeah, there's power in that.

And then always, you know, I think about 40% of Americans can't cover a $400 emergency in cash. So to have a thousand dollars, that's not for you and your emergency fund. You know, there's a lot of people that don't have it, but I agree with you. I mean, Chase, that yeah.

By the way, I adjusted the number to zero. I didn't know if the thing would let me do it so a newborn baby it would get to 1 million sixty five thousand two hundred sixty one dollars at the age of 70 at a 10% annual return so there you go there you go it was correct you know I usually let the money personalities do that James but I feel pretty good there after a test run right there under pressure I'm so proud of you I'm having fun with this folks, because if I can do it while hosting a show

with my squirrel running around in my brain, you need to be going to ramsysolutions.com and start plugging it in, use the Invespa calculator. Imagine how much fun you can have with it when you're not hosting a show while doing it. So it's great. I think that was a wonderful exhibition there. Madison is up in Phoenix, Arizona.

Madison, how can we help today? Yeah, my question is, first of all, thank you for taking my call. Of course. My question is, should I pay off my house while continuing to look for work? Tell us about the look for work first and what is your bridge right now as far as income? You got savings you're living off of? Give us a quick picture. There is no income.

Zero income. There is no income. Correct, I had been out of work almost a year. So I had set money aside. I've been following the Ramsey program. I set money aside enough to get me through whatever I needed to get to in that year's coming up. So I have... Have you been

paying off your house through that emergency fund that you had set aside? Meaning... That was just how that was just money for housing and bills. I have a separate emergency fund as well. Oh okay so what I'm asking you though is I'm just curious that money you had set aside had you been paying your house payment paying it off, or working on that up until this point through that fund? Yes. Well no, I wouldn't be doing, I mean we would tell you to slow down, pause everything, you got to get some employment here. I love that you had an extra rainy day fund. How much you have saved, Madison, total? I have, let's see, what were the numbers here?

I have about almost $4,000. That's your emergency fund? Well, so there's $1,900 left for what I had just for the housing expenses, and then I have $2,000 in an emergency fund. I just broke it down individually. Okay. And you asked if you should pay off your house. How much is left on your mortgage?

$72,000. What would you pay it off with? Are you saying putting extra towards your house above the mortgage? No, paying it off. No, that's the right question. Madison, you don't have any income. Well, where would you get the $72,000 to pay it off? So that's, and I have enough to pay it off as well.

Okay, you buried the lead. So you have $72,000 somewhere else? Yes. Okay. How much money do you have total? Like everything. What's your net worth? Cash. Sorry, not net worth, just cash. Okay. So I don't have a calculator for me. So I have $72,000, $1900, and $2000. Okay. Where is the $72,000 currently? Is it investments or just a savings account? It's in savings. Okay, what were you going to use that for? What was that fund for in general?

I had designated it for... I had it designated in separate accounts. So, say for example, I needed a car. Okay. I could pay off a car. Okay, so you had that. Do you have any retirement? I do. How much do you have in that? About 250,000. Okay, good.

How old are you? I'm in my mid-50s. Okay. Okay. That's gonna be okay. If you were to never touch that, that, you know, by the time you're in your 70s, that's gonna be a really nice number. Here's what I'm confused about Rachel. Madison

why aren't you working? I understand it's hard sometimes to get back into market but to go 12 months with zero income doing something and you're whittling down these other two accounts. I'm just not sure, I don't understand why why you're not working. That's what I don't understand either. No, no, no, no. Well, let me rephrase. What field were you in? Medical and I also have a degree in law enforcement. Well, what were you doing? What was the last job you had 12 months ago? I was working in the medical field. Doing what? As an administrative, I held an administrative role. Making how much?

Around $50,000 a year. My point is you don't sit around, and not that you're sitting, let me rephrase that, you don't just keep applying and do all this and if nothing's happening you don't just keep pulling money out of the savings account. I'm proud of you and glad you had it, but you need to start to happen to life and life is happening to you. of you and glad you had it, but you need to start to happen to life and life is happening to you. I don't understand with that skill set why you aren't applying for multiple different types of jobs. I don't care if it's a shift manager at

Home Depot or at Banana Republic or I'm driving, I'm doing something. You have got to be bringing in income because I guess you don't need a whole lot. Like what is your, what do you need to actually survive each month to cover your bills? We only got about a minute so give me a real quick answer. I would say $1,300. You need $1,300 to to survive. Correct. Go make $1,300 in February doing something. Now I want to bring it back to Rachel to answer the bigger question. She's got seventy two thousand in the bank. No, I wouldn't until I have a stable income coming in. I agree. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Make sure that you can eat and everything. But yeah, I would, you know,

you've set yourself up really well, Madison, and I just don't want you to continue to be in this rut that you've been in to a degree for a year, because what's happening is it's just like everything's shrinking, shrinking, shrinking, shrinking, shrinking, shrinking, and I wanna stop that momentum and let it go the other way. And to Ken's point, it's not like a crazy amount, 1300 bucks. That's the great news.

You can do this, Madison. And you know what? There's lots of things that you can do. Hold on the line, Madison. Can we give her a copy of my book, The Proximity Principle? Read this and do this and go get paid. This is The Ramsey Show. You've got a lot to keep organized in life. Kids and calendars and carpooling and cleaning. I mean, it is so much. That's why you need a knockbox. That way, if something happens

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March 4 and 5. So that will be fun. Love to see you there. All right, Bobby's up in Atlanta, Georgia. Bobby, how can we help today? Hey, guys. How are you? Good. How are you doing today? Doing all right. So my fiance and I are getting married in April.

All right. Congrats. And she, thank you, she was born and raised in Scotland and she still lives there. So we've been long distance for about eight years. Where in Scotland? And she's on the West Coast. So she's basically right on the water about 40 minutes from Glasgow.

Oh man, I love Scotland. Are y'all gonna move there? Yes. No, she's actually moving here to Georgia. Well, she's really trading it in. Well, that's a downgrade, Bobby. Downgrade for her. Bobby, you must be a very convincing or

charming young man, maybe very handsome too. I do my best or at least I've fooled her well. That's right. Hey, real quick question and we'll get down to the important stuff. What America wants to know is the wedding in Scotland and are you going to wear a kilt? I, so yes, it is in Scotland. Um, it's right on one of the locks there and I am not wearing a kilt.

How many kilts will be at the wedding though? I'm a little disappointed. No, I bet a lot of the attendees will wear kilts, true? Actually, you would be surprised because half of her family is English and of course all of my family is American and so there's only probably gonna be 25% of the people there wearing kilts. 25% is pretty good though.

Bobby, I know I'm not getting an invite but if I was to be invited the Coleman line of... The crest or your pad, like the plaid? I would wear one. I really would. With the high socks I'd commit to the whole commit to the whole bagpipe down the aisle. That's great All right, we are we are having bagpipes down the aisle. Oh That listen, I could be talked into hosting the reception email my team. We'll talk about it. We'll see we can make it work All right, Bobby. This is great. So you guys grew up?

Different money culture the way you looked at no, well, that's what he said. No, he that she grew up in Scotland. It's different. Okay, so my body what's your question Bobby? She's correcting me I know he's going so Yeah, she she doesn't know what a 401k is doesn't know what a Roth IRA and different culture She sort of she's sort of familiar with the baby steps just from what I've talked to her about it and she knows who Dave Ramsey is. But I'm trying to figure out what's the best way to kind of get her on board with the baby steps

and kind of, she's a little bit nervous or hesitant about the intensity of the baby steps. Sure, okay. So there's that and then the culture. Yeah, for sure. Okay, so I would start high level with you guys and just being agreeing on value systems at which money will play in on the relationship. So a value system would be, you know, when we have money or

do we want to be giving some of this money? Is that part of our plan? Do we, how much, you know, is savings something that she gives her a level of security, right? Is there, we want to- Is debt a tool or is it a disease? Yes, yes. How is debt playing in? So less, like, I would go less baby steps and more just a little bit of that value system, because that's a human thing, not an American thing. So you can look at money because they have money in Scotland. So it's just like, let's together get on the same page. Do they have money over there? Thank you for revealing that.

And then how we implement it over here, how does that look? So if we both agree, yes, savings is important. She may be more of a spender naturally, right? And that's okay, opposites attract. But yes, we wanna be saving for the future. We want a good retirement. So what's the best way to do that in America? A 401k, a Roth IRA, right?

These vehicles at which you can do that. And if we have debt and we want to live without debt and not have payments, because that gives us peace and because we can use our income to go on great vacations and use our income to save for the future and to give, that's why we want to be out of debt, right? So you kind of start high level and then from there the baby steps is just a plan to get you from point A to point B Do you guys have debt?

We we do not we are debt free That's great. So that fast forwards everything for sure. So now it's emergency fund Yeah, right right out of the gate when you guys get married Yeah, is she on this is she agreeing that you guys want to work together as a team like does she see this as a topic of life to say like yeah yeah yeah absolutely we're gonna we're gonna do pretty much everything together okay yeah and it's kind of right now she's kind of the breadwinner I'm currently not employed because I'm I'm finishing up my flight instructor rating.

Nice. And so I'll be a flight instructor pretty much immediately after we get married. What will your starting salary be? Do you have any idea? So it's going to be an hourly position, but ballpark I'm hoping around 50 grand. 35 would be like the absolute, absolute low. Okay. And how much will she be making? We don't know yet, just because we don't know what she's going to be doing. Yeah. So she has a degree in international event management. So that kind of means she can do weddings. She can do corporate events. Let me tell you something, Atlanta, if you guys are anywhere near the Atlanta area, that's

a big event town. So that's good news. Right. It's good news for her. Yes. And so she's done everything under the sun, whether it's social media or event planning or serving. Okay.

We're totally not worried about her finding a job. Amazing. Okay. So how much are you guys- And you did out kick your coverage money. How much are you guys bringing in to the marriage, just money wise? Like how much does she have? How much do you have?

So I, on my side, we have about 38,000 in savings and that comes from an inheritance. Okay, and how about her? She's bringing probably over just shy of 10. Okay. But both of us have very little expenses because we both live with our parents right now and it just didn't make sense for us to move into apartments each. Sure. And then have to move again. That's smart. I love that move. That's great. And so when you guys get married, I guess you'll be renting probably for a year or two. Is that what you're thinking? Yes. Yep. Okay. That's great. And so when you guys get married, I guess you'll be renting probably for a year or two.

Is that what you're thinking? Yes. Yep, okay. Yep, that's the plan. Perfect, so yeah, so I mean, I think you guys are probably more on the same page than you realize. So I would sit down together and just say,

okay, yeah, let's like figure out, you know, the next couple of years and what we want our goals to be. And we have a goal of making a hundred grand, 50 and 50 or something, right? Kind of have like an income goal. And then from there, we want to put some away for retirement. I think she'll love the emergency fund concept. Yeah.

You know, like just big picture. I thought your advice was really great. Well, thank you, Ken. I mean that too. Like they don't need, they're already advanced in the baby steps in that. Yes. They're going to start at baby step three and we build that. I think any woman,

any human wants that safety. So explaining that concept to her. You're already halfway there, it looks like. And so the investing part that Rachel's talking about, I mean, and then saving for kids, college, and all that stuff, I would just easer into it, man, and just focus on the positive vision stuff, because you don't have a problem

that you're trying to fix. That's right. Right out of the gate. I thought it was great. I loved it very much. Yeah, and I think making it a goal for a house. I mean, you guys are in a position that your emergency fund is pretty much done, I think. And then beyond that, like, okay,

let's run some numbers and dream. Winston, I just did this last week. And it's always a fun thing to do where you're like, all right, let's just dream. How much do we think we want for a down payment? And then you put it in Excel or a calculator, whatever it is, is like, how much do we need to save every year?

How much do we need to save every month? And you kind of start having these goals towards these dreams that you guys, a life that you're building together, which is beautiful. Hold on the line, Bobby. Taylor's gonna pick up and we're gonna give you Financial Peace University for you guys

to watch these lessons together. Cause that would be really helpful for her. So fun. Yeah, just to kind of get these concepts of American way of doing money. By the way, a nod to our Scottish friends. If you look, if you're watching, see this green sweater I have on.

I could, you can't see below the desk, but imagine me in a blue and green kilt right now that matches a sweater. I think it would look great. I'll be honest. This is the Ramsey Show. This is the Ramsey Show. Thrilled to have you with us.

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Being middle-aged. All right, let's get right to the phones. Richmond, Virginia, my old stomping grounds. Used to live there when I worked for the governor of Virginia, in case you were wondering. Jake is there. Jake, how can we help today? Hey guys, thanks for taking my call today.

I appreciate it. You bet, what's up? All right, so me and my wife, we have a question about paying off our debt. So currently my wife and I were in our upper 20s and we're facing quite an amount of student loan debt. It's about $150,000. Now we don't have any other debts and we've paid off a good amount so far.

We've paid off about $30,000 in total. All right. Nice. But we recently came across an amount of money in our savings. We have $30,000 saved up. And what we really would like some guidance on is how much of that to apply to our loan. You know, we're in the stage of life where we kind of want to think about a family, possibly a home, some car issues coming up.

But we know that we have a good amount we want to apply to this debt to get it taken care of. So, something to get you guys guidance on what you think about putting that towards the debt. Sure. How much do you guys make a year? So, gross we make together around $200,000. Hey. Nice. Very nice. So, what's your plan as of now for the $150,000 to be paid off? How fast do you think you guys can do it?

18 months? Well, yeah, we were hoping within three years, 18 months would be ideal. Yeah, I mean, if you guys lived on 70, and then I'm thinking if you apply this 30,000, you could knock it out pretty quick. So to answer your question, Jake. He just swallowed really hard, did you hear that?

He was like, what? What? Because yeah, 200's gross, so you guys are probably coming in at what, 130 after taxes? Probably right around there. Right around there. And if you lowered it to 120 and you guys lived off of 70, that would take you two years. Maybe if you did some extra work,

incomes go up in general. Yeah, 18 to 24, 18 to 24 months. So yes, to answer your question, I would apply 29,000 of that 30,000, keep a thousand dollars for an emergency fund, and I would go all hands on deck. I would not be thinking about a house while you have this debt.

If you guys decide to start a family, which we encourage people that yeah, if getting married and starting a family, don't not do those things because you have debt, right? So if you guys decide in six months, like we feel like, gosh, it's time to start a family, then if that's the case, I would pause everything, not pay extra on the student loans,

just keep them current and be piling up a big savings. And in nine months, you guys can put a lot in savings when you do that. And then when baby comes and everyone's good, just apply that nine months of savings to back to the debt. So that would be a time deposit. And then as car stuff starts coming up and if you know a good amount ahead of time, then you'll as cars stuff starts coming up and if you know like you know a good amount ahead of time then you you know be thinking about that but but if you don't replace a car while you have debt I wouldn't I mean I agree that's what I was gonna drive those things all the way through what do you mean by car

issues can you be more specific sure yeah my car currently has my wife's car is good my car currently has around 350,000 miles and it's kind of gone out on me a few times this year. So I feel like it's, you know, I'm really riding it to its last leg, but I feel like that might come up soon. You think 350,000 miles? What brand of car is it?

Yeah, it's a Toyota. Yeah. It's been pretty good to me. I will tell you. Those Toyotas. Those Toyotas, man. We're a Toyota family. Toyota Lexus, like in that family.

Best cars you'll ever have. Yeah, I'm not trying to endorse it, but you hear that a lot. Of course, our friend George would say Toyota. No, Toyota. He doesn't know how to say it. Toyota. And Honda's. We'll give Honda's a shot, too.

That's right. I would say, Rachel, I'm glad we brought this up because I think this car is literally a moment away from dying. How much can you, how much could you sell it for? What? What? this car is literally a moment away from dying. How much can you, how much could you sell it for? What? I've been told not much. I've already tried.

2,000? No, 3,000? 1,000? How much? Less than a thousand. Yeah, you're out of your mind. 3,000 dollars. Some people may want a great Toyota that has lasted Jake from Richmond.

I'll bet you it looks like it's got 350,000 miles on it too, am I right Jake? Yeah. Come on. Okay, so Jake, so what I would do for real though, if you feel like it is on its last leg, which I get 350,000 miles, it probably is. Try to rip somebody off for $3,000. But I would go get a $6,000 car. I would not go spend $20,000 on something.

100% agree. Go get a beater again that maybe has 200,000 miles and for 18 months, two years, just drive that car. And then after you guys are out of debt, that's when you can think about stepping up with cash into something else. But I would use as much of this money to put towards the principle of your student loans

because that's gonna help you guys so much. I mean, it really will from a mathematical standpoint. So I'd rather drive a crappy car and get this down. This is my favorite thing to do. Ken is on his laptop, Jake, just so I can give you context. I really enjoy this. He is on a car website. I got used cars for sale in Richmond, Virginia.

You in the greater Richmond area? Look at that $4,000 car. Yeah, right around there, yep. Now it's a Dodge, we gotta get the guy a Toyota. I'm not gonna give him a Dodge Avenger. Okay. But for crying out loud, okay. I mean, listen, some of these cars,

I wanna make the point that it's not a complete beater here. Let me just, this is worth, okay, here we go. A 2014 Chevrolet Impala. Alright. Ten years old, four thousand bucks. Four thousand bucks, 142,000 miles, it's a Chevrolet. It's not the greatest brand in the world, but they're not expensive to fix either. That's true. And having an Impala, it is famous song, famous line. I'll let the audience figure that one out, but I know you don't know it, I'll share it during the break. It's too much to try to explain to you.

It's an age thing, she just doesn't get it. But anyway, that's the example there. And I really am having fun with this, but people don't realize what you can get for under $5,000. Yes. And let's be honest, he's driving a turd. It's a Toyota. It's done its job. Yeah, it has. But it's gonna die soon. And so for four grand you get the Chevy Impala. Is it good-looking? I'm not gonna lie to you. It's not. It's not different colors.

It's just a silver car. You would never know. Yeah, I'm saying the Impala, the 2014 Impala is not a car that you'd buy for status. Sure. Okay. But that's okay. And that's why you do it. That's why we do it. We get it from A to B. We get it from A to B. A to B, that's all we're looking for. Yes, for this time period.

So yeah, so I would put as much as you can, Jake, that you guys feel comfortable with. Again, with the car replacement and an emergency fund, everything else needs to go to this. And then, you guys are in a perfect position too, Jake, to go and earn some extra money on a side hustle. Before kids, it is the time to do it. It really is, because, you know,

and we talk to families all the time that get out of debt with kids, right? I mean, that is a lot of our audience, but it's hard. Like when you have a full day of work, you pick up your kids and then you have to go to another job and that's, you know, and a spouse has to stay home and do bed, I mean, like it just gets really complicated

and it gets more and more tiring and more difficult. And so you guys are in a perfect season for six, eight months, like go work extra, right? Bring some of that in. What do you got? What do you got for us, Ken? James, I got a snappy looking 2012 Mazda 3 Touring, only five grand, 130,000 miles. And it's got a nice little blue color to it. You kind of feel good about yourself zipping into

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alongside rachel cruise i'm ken colman side have you with us today taking your money calls your income profession related calls because that goes to gather let's get right back to the phones madison wisconsin is where tyler joins us tyler how can we help today and can write open for much for taking my call. You bet. Yeah, so my wife and I are about $42,000 in debt. And after watching Rachel's message at Fresh Life, it really kind of motivated us to really go hard at

the debt. And so yeah, we're very thankful for that, because that shifted our mindset a lot. And so one thing we're going to do, and we were kind of going down this path anyway, but we're, we're telling our house that run right now. Um, and initially our plan was actually to sell our house, buy a new house, um, in a different area. And now we decided we're actually going to sell a house, move into an apartment. Um, because we're going to net around 200,000 ish, um, with the sale of our house. And yeah.

And so basically we're trying to figure out the best way to handle that because I think the obvious route is to take that throw every, like everything at the debt that we have about 42,000. So take 42,000 throw it up to that. That would leave us with about 160,000 left. And ultimately we do want to buy another house in one to three years, but I just don't know the best way to handle like how we handle that money as far as do we put the rest aside for down payment.

Tyler, can I ask why are you guys selling to move to a different area? Yeah, we moved. We got kind of lucky as far as like timing for this house and we bought it in 2020. And yeah, we just moved here for my wife's job. And honestly, we hate the area. But my wife's job, she's not working at that job anymore so the location isn't relevant for us. I work from home so really location doesn't matter and so we're just kind of hoping to move to an area that we like a little bit better. Okay, how far, I'm just curious, from where you guys currently are to where you want to

be? Is it like a 30 minute difference or is it like a 10 minute? It's about two hours. Oh like a totally different area. Okay I'm sorry I got you. Yeah. Okay that's great. So yeah Tyler I would for sure, yep when you guys get that $200,000 I would yes apply it to the $42,000 go ahead and pay off your debt that day. I would set some money aside. At this point for you guys, do you have, do you all have any kids? Yeah, we do have a nine month old baby. Okay, okay. And you guys, do you guys both have pretty stable jobs? My wife is a stay at home mom. I am self employed, so it's pretty, my income is pretty variable. Okay, so for because of that, because of the kid element and it's on one income and it's a variable income, I would probably just put aside six months of an

emergency fund. We always say three to six months but three would be you know if it's if you're single or if you don't have any kids and you both have pretty stable incomes you could do more of the three, but because it's a little bit just to give you guys some extra safety so I would figure out your monthly expenses multiply it by six and out of that 150 put that aside and I would just open up a high-yield savings account this is my my husband I did and label it emergency funds and you don't touch it and then I would leave the rest which would be what how much do you think an emergency a

six-month emergency fund would be for you guys? Yeah, so we actually, good news is we actually already have that taken care of. It's about 30,000. So yeah, we actually have that already apart from the 200,000. Oh wow, okay, that's fantastic. Okay, so yeah, so the 160 that's left,

then I would just keep it in a high yield savings, honestly, Tyler, I would not invest it because you guys are gonna use it for a down payment in the next two to three years at the latest probably. So yeah, if it's not more than five years, if it was more than five years, I would invest, but you guys are in a position, and you may even pull the trigger faster,

if you see a great house, because the sooner you get in the market, honestly, the better it's gonna be, and you guys will have a great down payment. So I would just put it in a high yield savings and just let it be there. That's, that's really helpful. So this might be a dumb question, but I was kind of doing research into that. Like what classified something as a high yield baby?

Like we have our savings account right now. I don't know if it's classified as that or not, but it's, yeah, it'll be pretty apparent. It'll say high yield. So high yield savings, a money market account, and that it will say it. And you know, just, this is not a plug. It's just what we use.

We use Ally Bank. Usually an online bank is gonna be better for high yield savings. You're gonna probably get a little bit of a better rate of return versus a brick and mortar standard bank. So we have our checking with a kind of a local bank that has brick and mortar.

And then we have an online high yield savings. We just have it through Ally. I know there's a couple of companies that are out there, but you can even just Google and honest. And I don't know, there's a lot out there. Just make sure that there's no, cause some banks, you know, if they're online, you know, we'll charge you like weird fees and like,

so kind of look into the fine print and just, you know, get a great option, but something like analyze totally fine. Yeah. Appreciate the call and good job. Good job young man. I mean, taking great care of your family. Love that you got all that cash and now you're going to be debt free pretty soon. So don't talk yourself out of that. Don't let anybody talk yourself out of that. Rachel sets you up really well. So really, really happy for you as you kind of start a new chapter. Really fun. Let's go to Columbia, South Carolina, and Kevin is joining us there. Kevin, how can we help today? Yeah,

hey, thank you guys for taking my call. My question is, have I pulled large sum of money out of my retirement investments to build a home. Um, maybe a little backstory. Uh, my wife and I are both over 59 and a half. She's retired. She also pensioned about 42,000 a year. Um, I make about 142,000 my salary and, uh, we have got, um, about 1.85 million in investments. Some pre-, raw, and then some non-retirement investment accounts.

And in that $1.85 million, there's roughly $200,000 in cash. What I'm hoping to do is try to pull some money out of my retirement investments to fund the house, but not cripple myself in retirement. How much money are you thinking about pulling out? Need about $750 for the purchase for the construction of the home. So part of that would be funded by the $200,000 in cash, still leaving us with a fully funded emergency fund. And then the balance we would pull out of them, most of it as we could as the raw, and

then the balance would have to come out of the pre-tax accounts. What is your current situation as far as a home? Do you own your current home? We own our current home. We have no debt we Tear the house down with the property that we're on because it's the values in the land not in the dwelling and So to build our dream home. Oh on your current on your car That's correct. Yeah so yeah so we're gonna just tear down what we currently reside in, move out, and then

build a home here. What's the total cost of that gonna be? You said $750 plus plus or is it $750? Yeah it'll be $750 is what the contract price will be. If I'm gonna figure out probably 10% for contingency money. So somewhere 825 to 850 we're thinking. Okay. And have you guys run out numbers? Cause that's gonna leave you 1.2 left in retirement. And have you guys run numbers on that or how long you're gonna be working?

Just making sure that you guys are in a good spot longterm. Yeah, we feel pretty good about that. We feel you will have somewhere between 8, 5900K left in retirement investments. And then, you know, given the rate of return, you know, banking at 10%, hopefully for our average, we feel like we'd be very comfortable. We hadn't anticipated pulling any kind of money towards, pulling some security money until we get full retirement age or even 70 if it permits. So we feel pretty comfortable with them. Actually we don't have any any other debt.

Yeah, that's great. Makes me nervous tapping into retirement funds. Yeah, for sure. And you know what, Kevin, I would sit down with a SmartVest or Pro because I would want to make sure that what you're pulling out principle wise, which avenue is better through like the Roths or a 401k, you know, if that's a better play or just any standard mutual funds you guys have, because some of these gains on, you know, the pre-tax investments, you're going to pay capital gains on some of that too. And so there is a little bit of a strategic play that in the next, you

know, 30 seconds, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to answer that. So yeah, I mean, I think from a numbers standpoint, you're not being irresponsible at all. But that next step is, yeah, how and which investments to take out of. And I would talk to your financial planner to make sure you're doing that from a tax perspective the wisest way. Yeah, great. But because you still got earning potential, so you got a really nice nest egg that will continue to grow. And this is a part of your retirement strategy. So for using the funds that way for a paid off house, I don't think there's anything scary here, but make sure you do your homework. This is The Ramsey Show.

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Hi, thank you for taking my call. You bet. What's going on? I am single mom with several disabilities and I'm trying to figure out how to make extra income to cover my four walls. I love what I do for work. What do you do? I'm on civil disabilities and I'm trying to figure out how to make extra income to cover my four walls. I love what I do for work. What do you do? I'm divorced.

I work in development for a ministry. Okay, and what kind of income do you make there? My pay plan with child support and my income combined is about $2,800 a month. $2,800 a month, okay. And Brandi, real quick, can you try to adjust your phone a little bit? I feel like it's a little muffled. Let's see if we can hear you a little bit better if you take a look at that. Yeah, can you hear me better?

That's so much better, thank you. Okay, and so we know what your take home is. How much additional income would be ideal? And I'm not talking some crazy dream number, but just this would give me some real breathing room to take care of the four walls. And let us know what that looks like. $2,500 a month, it's comfortable. In addition to what you're making? Yes. Okay, so we want to go from $28 to $53. $100.

Okay, that's great. I love that you have that target. Are you currently, is that an issue because of debt? Debt and disabilities and just the parenting plan schedule that I have. So I'm divorced, disabled. I've got two kids that are three and five years old. So one is in school and one is in preschool slash daycare. I've sold all my assets in the divorce.

I got the house in the divorce, and my ex-husband got everything else, but I have to pay him $20,000 additionally for his portion of equity. Oh, okay. All right, so let me ask you this before we dive into the numbers, and Rachel's going to help me here as we get you out of this debt and all this. And I don't want to, don't share anything you don't feel comfortable with, but what

can you do, in other words, physically with your disabilities, what, just tell me what you can do physically instead of going through what you can't do. What are you able to do? I've been trying to do some side hustles. I do door dashing and photography and marketing services on the side, but I'm just not seeing enough income consistently to rely on that. Have you looked at freelance work because it's everywhere? Mm-hmm. In programming, because that's your greatest skill, is the programming. If you were

doing what you were doing for a for-profit business, not a ministry, my guess is you might be making 20 to 30 percent more. Is that outrageous, what I'm saying? Yeah. I agree. listen, I would be putting all my attention right now into freelance opportunities with your programming skills because that's going to pay you top notch for your time. Of all the things that you could do, and when we look at exchanging time for money, that's going to be your highest rate. You agree with that, correct? Correct. That's what I would be doing because when I look at that number of increasing your income by an additional $2,500 a month that's what I would be doing. Now I

want to bring Rachel in. How much debt do you have? Yeah, how much debt do you have Brandy? 64,000. 64,000 what is is that? We break that out for me That is 12,500 to my ex-husband, which he's willing to wait until I sell the house It's not an area where we live anyways, and I need to come up with some money to pay off all this debt Okay pause pause real quick Let's hold on Brandi. Hold on one second I want to make sure Rachel gets this, that I get this. The home that you're going to sell, it's not the home you're living in and it's in a different area, is that correct?

Yeah, I have a renter in there right now. That's part of my income. What do you stand to make? If you sold that today, what do you think you can make on that? Walking away. I paid it off except for a construction loans, so approximately $110,000. Amazing. Is it on the market right now?

I'm in the works of listing it right now. I'm just waiting for the realtor to put it on the market, but I updated the listing for her. And you owe your ex $12,500 out of the proceeds of that $110,000? Yes. Okay. I owed him $20,000, but I've paid it down to $12,500. I'm supposed to give him $5,000 every six months per court order, but he agreed to give

me more time and just pay him a lump sum once the house fell. And where are you living right now, Brandi? Are you renting? I'm renting I'm living in an area where my Ex-husband lives and works so we can co-parent and is also close to both our jobs. Okay, that's great So you'll have 98,000 after the sale of this house and an average, you know meeting days on the market right now is around 70 days or so. Yeah, so hopefully in the next three to four months your house will sell So it is this is short term in a sense,

but that 98,000, um, from there, I would direct you at cause all your debt will be paid off at that point. Um, yeah, I'd like to get to baby steps for, I think it'd be to do that with the sales at home. I think it's just the short term that I'm trying to figure out. So that's how I was going to, okay, that's great. Because Ken is right for the short term, for the next, I mean, make it a goal for the next six months to bring in an extra two grand a month. And you can because of the programming skills. You know, at the beginning of this call Brandi, just where my mind was going, I almost was going to encourage you, even though you love your job,

a lot of us love things, but we just don't make enough money to cover it. I was going to encourage you, even though you love your job, a lot of us love things, but we just don't make enough money to cover it. I was going to encourage you to maybe work somewhere else for two to three, four years just to get some really good financial gain under you. And then you can always go back to the nonprofit down the road. But there is something to be said that, you know, because what you're giving up when you're doing those side hustles is more hours of your time where you could be making that same amount in a shorter amount of time right and so I mean I don't know I know you love your job and I'm sure it's an incredible nonprofit

and and they do incredible work and people that work in nonprofits you know that there's such great work there but when you are a single mom with a list of disabilities, there's only so much you can do. I mean, you need to financially get in a spot where you're taken care of and you have money saved in the bank. You're working for a down payment on a home. I mean, there's some stuff there that's real. I mean, it's something to consider.

I don't want to push you into it, but I would, it's something to consider. I don't wanna push you into it, but. Yeah, absolutely. But I would consider it. I would definitely consider that. My only issue with switching jobs currently is, other than what I love what I do, my ex-husband works for a prison and his schedule changes every six months and I've had to be kind of the one,

kind of on the back burner to make my mind. Yeah. Oh, I gotcha, the flexibility, yeah on the back burner to make my mind. Oh, I got you the flexibility. Yeah. I get that. They're not very flexible. Well, that's why, again. The physical changes every six months and the parenting plan pretty much changes every six months.

Yeah. I'm so sorry. But I tell you what, this is great news. Brandi, I'm sorry that you're a single mama. I'm sorry you're going through all this. I'm sorry that you're dealing with these. I'm sorry you're going through all this. I'm sorry that you're dealing with these disabilities, but I wanted to encourage you. I'm so impressed.

You're tough as nails. Thank you. I am so impressed. And I'm also happy for you. You're going to get out of this debt here pretty soon. I really believe that I want you to, if you try and keep trying and keep trying, to sell your programming skills,

I think we can get to that money goal of increased income a lot faster than you. Here's my point, you can do that at home. And you know what I mean? And be around the babies. And not out in a car driving around and you're already struggling with some physical stuff, bless your heart, I just really would like you to try that.

There's so much skill set and experience that you have to offer to the world. I would go that route, and I mean aggressive. And so, I mean, I would talk to anybody and everybody on social media, in your network, at the church, wherever you're frequenting with the kids, hey, I'm a programmer, I'm a single mama, and I'm looking to do some contract work.

That is okay. There's no shame in that statement. And I think people will say, hey, I need some programming work. They may not be able to afford you as a full-time employee, but pay you an hourly rate. Or know somebody who knows somebody that needs it. So I would really encourage you to do that, Brandy.

And we're rooting for you. Follow the Baby Steps. So excited to hear you say pretty soon I'm in baby step four and what a legacy that is. Rachel, it breaks my heart for the single mamas. I mean they are the toughest people on the planet. Oh my gosh. I don't know how they do it. You guys are amazing. Well done, Brandy. We're cheering for you, Brandy. This is the Ramsey Show. We'll be right back. and real estate investments because there's no better time to get the clarity you need to invest with confidence. Watch live on March 4th and 5th. Get tickets today at ramsysolutions.com

slash events. All right America we're back after a quick break this is the Ramsey Show I'm Ken Coleman Rachel Cruz is with me and we're excited to have you with us. Phone number is triple eight, eight two five, five two two five. And the real estate market, Rachel, I know your hubs is in real estate, you know, Dave's in real estate. And you started thinking about where we're going in 2025,

new year, what's going to happen? What's the Fed gonna do? How does that affect this? All the things and it can be really crazy. Well, if you look at the 15 year fixed mortgage rate, for example, it's fluctuated between five and 7% for the past few years. And most experts are predicting this is gonna continue

for most of 2025. I'm seeing that as well. People kind of think, well, we're gonna kind of be in a holding pattern. And so while today's rates might feel high, compared to what some of us have seen in our lifetime, I've seen much higher and obviously we've seen much lower, but historically, 7.5% is a historical average.

So, we don't want you to be sitting there trying to time the market. If you're financially ready and you can afford the monthly payments, now is a great time to buy your home. And so to learn more about the trends and get real help as we walk you through what to do as you're thinking about buying or selling, go to ramsysolutions.com slash market. That's ramsysolutions.com. Yeah.

I think the two biggest myths that I feel like over the past couple of years we keep seeing that people are still believing is, well rates will go back down. They'll go back down, they'll go back down. I don't know if we'll ever see 2% again. I mean. Might be a long time.

I mean, it's just not. I'll be a pretty dusty skeleton I think. I mean, yeah. So again, it's not like it's gonna go from six to two in six months. Like it's just not. So if you're ready, you can always refinance if it does drop that drastically, but it's probably not.

And the other thing is house prices are not gonna take a nosedive. You know, that was a big thing for a while. People thought like 2021, 2022, like, oh, it's a bubble. Everything's gonna pop. Certain markets will. Have you seen Austin, Texas? Well, Austin is an anomaly.

That is true, yes. I know, but I can hear people right now that wanna make sure we address their concerns. But they are correcting. It's a correction. There's a correction, but it's not gonna drop. That's right. It's not gonna go down.

You know, a million dollar house isn't gonna go to, you know, half a million. Idea, like they're pretty much stabilizing for the most part. It's softening to a degree, but again, it's not crazy. It's not this bubble that's going to pop and you're going to get all these foreclosures like we saw in 2007, 2008. I'm going to predict a Trump bump.

Trump bump. In the first couple of years. We might see kind of an interesting, chilled out, little easy roller coaster this year. A little down, but I think it's going to be very interesting to see in year two and three of his administration. What will consumer confidence look like? I don't have a crystal ball but I just have a feeling that we're going to see some of that. Is perceived confidence right? When people feel just good in general and they feel good about where the economy

specifically is heading. Well, what happens with regulation? What happens with tariffs? What happens when you start to see more supply come on the market? Will builders, will there be more lower income, and I don't mean that, I'm sorry, not lower income housing, but will we see housing starts come in

at a much more affordable rate? Yes, because of what they're Yes, because all of these things are affected by sometimes macro policies that do in fact come out of the White House. So it's gonna be interesting to see. Yeah, that's good. Hang on. But the point is if you're ready, jump in now and we're here to walk you through it. Kevin is up in Riverside, California. Kevin, how can we help? Hello? Hey, Kevin, you're live on The Ramsey Show with Ken and Rachel. What's going on? Thank you for taking my call.

You bet. What's up? So, I'm in $650,000 in debt, and that includes mortgage, personal loans, auto loans. Can you break that down for us real quick? How much is the mortgage? Yeah. Debt? The mortgage, I owe about $477,000.

And now break down the rest of the debt for us. Cars is about $62,000. For two cars? For two cars. Okay. Keep going. Credit cards, just me, I haven't done, my wife hasn't taken hers or broke hers down yet, but my cards are about, oh geez, Oh, geez. I would say 25,000. Okay. Personal loans? Personal loans, small business, I would say 25,000. And then the rest in small loans like a firm and stuff like that. Yeah, which would equal what?

Um, I haven't broken that down yet, but it's pretty much the rest of my debt. And so how much debt, so that makes up the whole 655 if I'm doing quick math, am I right? if I'm doing quick math, am I right? Yeah, I guess so. How much does your... I'm sorry, I'm trying to move us along, Kevin. How much debt does your wife have? I'm guessing about $25,000. And the way you're talking about this...

Mostly credit cards? Credit cards and personal. Okay. And you guys have separate finances it sounds like? We don't. We actually make these decisions together which is... Okay, you threw me off when you said her debt. Yeah, yeah, but you guys have like, yeah, it's different. Okay, so we got 655 plus her 25. I'm trying to give Rachel the full picture.

How much do you guys make a year, Kevin? We make 130. Kevin, what the crap have y'all been doing? I know. Oh man! I'm sick of it. Just living, just living. Wow.

And you know, and normal. And let me say that, Kevin. I mean, this literally is America. I'm like, this is normal. You're racking up credit card debts, two brand new cars. I mean, this is it. Okay, so what's gotten you to the point, you said, I'm sick of it. What's brought it to a head

that even caused you to call today? We had a little girl seven months ago. Oh, wow. That'll do it. That'll do it and How is your wife feeling right now? She's stressed to the moon and back. Yep. Yep. Where are you at? Where are you at? I Have a hard time connecting emotions to it. That's probably why I'm in this mess

I have a hard time connecting emotions to it, and that's probably why I'm in this mess. Okay, so what's the real need? We know what the problem is. What can we help you with today? Well, I Me and my wife work for my family business And we work 40 hours a week while I do. She stays at home with our little girl most of the time but I want to work more, but I feel like I'm a little selfish for wanting to work a lot more than 40 hours and not being home. Okay, Kevin. All right, I'm jumping in because we got about two minutes with you or less. You're not being selfish. In fact, I would

say you're being selfish if you're not working 80 hours a week. And is your wife collecting a salary? You said we both work for the family business. Is she getting paid to be at home? We collect salaries. She works from home on her computer. So great. So you need to be working like crazy.

How much is your mortgage payment a month? $3,700. Okay. I mean, that's getting up to what, 40% of your take home pay? Yeah. Okay. So here's what I do, Kevin. So this is going to be real quick.

This is going to be very painful to implement. It's much easier for me to sell you all this. I would, I would put the house on the market. I would sell it. This is way, way out of bounds. You have too much house. It's taking 40% and then think about all these other payments. You guys are barely able to eat. I'm like, this is take, this is taking up so much.

So if I were you guys, I would sell the house. I would sell the cars. I would be working 80 hours a week and I would clean this up. That's what I would do. I mean, I would, would you get any equity from the home if you guys sold? There's about 30,000 in the house, which I feel like is all fees for putting it on the market anyways. Well, but again, if you can get out, even if it's a breakeven, she's right. You saved yourself $3,700 a month, which you need.

Because your income, the ratio of what you guys need to pay for rent and mortgage needs to be about half of where you're at because you're house poor. I'm like, you guys, you know, so I would cut up the credit cards tonight. You have to have keep this feeling of I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. And you have to get dead out of your life. You have to stop. And I would be selling everything in sight, including those cars and get your head above water. You guys have, you know, a three to four year journey here but you you can do this. Hold on the line Taylor's going to pick

up and we're going to give you guys Financial Peace University which is our nine lesson course and you guys watch this together and just implement these steps it's going to be hard but worth it. This is the Ramsey Show. Music