The Reel Rejects - AGATHA ALL ALONG 1x05 Breakdown & Review!!!

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

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Yes. We will cost us. bells on the beaches. Oh, fox. Crow. Symbolic animals. Centipede snake. Snake.

I know my animals. Predators. Cool. Oh, each one of them is a witch. A warging. Are these the witches from Salem? The seven? From the beginning?

I think so. Whoa, creepy. Cool. The sorcerer's stone. We left the door open. What are you talking about? What did you see? What did you see?

Tell them. Aubrey Plaza knows. The Salem 7. Scary black dresses. When Agatha killed her original coven. By stealing their power. Because her own mother tried to have her executed. They just recapped everything.

When Agatha murdered her sister witches. She spared their young children. children and then these kids became the moral of the story kids is that's cool always finish what you started that entrance mercy is overrated all right everybody back up your shit pack your shit oh that's behind us we're trapped i like that they've kept agatha a villain what about a hex and bustin brooms horrible yeah that's a terrible idea what's a heck they explain it to the other kids of class they can convert stuff and turn into brooms so they can fly away.

Brooms have been co-opted by the holiday industrial complex as an absurd emblem of our culture. Holiday! Fourly plovers. Symbol of female domesticity. But they work. Delecta. Aperio. We are.

I love how they just complain so much about it. People will be like the show's woke and then they're still going to use the brooms then. Hey. I get one. Hex-a-verson. Who guys look at animal that's a that's a witch he's here to give them titsy pops oh oh let's go fly you fools oh oh he's fun oh that's handy that's handy that's fun oh god oh god hell yeah

My mother kiddo Cute my Disney channel Let's go Come on fly in front of the moon Fly in front of the moon Wee They're flying in front of the moon Let's go

Witchy shit baby Put us in a Disney Shills compilation Yes We need more We haven't done this in centuries Screw the holiday industrial complex. It's worth the cuteness. Also, the whole practical magic thing leads to actual magic, so it just seems less convenient, but... Why haven't we been doing this all along? I like that he just said the plot. He's like, yeah, that is a good question.

Now you have to show us... It's the road. It's forcing us down! Downtown! I'll get you, my pretty. Opera Plaza, born to play this role. Solid witch cackle. The next trial. Now this is pod racing.

It's the Tri-Wizard tournament. Oh, let's go. Let's go. Roaches. Wicked. That's not out until November. Locusts. Anything.

What are you? Uh, 80s? It looks 80s. I see crop tops and stripes. Ah! Okay. Oh. Okay, complete the trial and continue on before they can reach us, okay? How? Kiss, Mary Kill?

Wow, coward, it's Disney. Yeah. Where'd you have it the last time? Flying on a broom. Forget it. You can take the training wheels off. Oh, the pilot owns 80 hair is great. Oh, no.

It's so purple. Everything's purple. They got the purple lighting going. A blood moon. Oh, got a lot of those lately. Are we gonna get some reanimation in this one? Who better to commune with the dead than someone who's put so many in the graves? Yeah, as a microphone.

Very 80s. Oh, let's play some Ouija. Slumber party vibes. We have to Ouija. We have to Ouija. It's not a verb. You're the grammar witch. The board changed.

Do not use the Ouija board alone. Do not speak over each other. It's not written. do not taunt the spirits yeah always on your session with goodbye do not under any circumstances remove your hand from the plan show you're supposed to remember these damn rules okay so bottom line be respectful keep your hand on the board yeah don't talk about each other oh my god we forget scar the witch came yeah or mefisto still waiting a mefisto oh good shot oh my god i'm not moving

Is someone here with us during the switching hour? It's Mike Flanagan to direct the sequel. Everyone wants an M. Oh, we got one. Mr. Fisto. A. Mr. Schart. Shart.

Mrs. Hart? Oh, that makes more sense than Mr. Schart. Well, there wasn't a period. There's no punctuate. Oh! Your hands. What did you do? I didn't do it!

Oh no. Oh, no. Oh, excellent hair acting. Oh my. Oh no. There I was, living my tiny life in the burbs, baking casseroles. This is a hell of an impersonation. There you were, bringing chills and thrills.

This Halloween season. Bringing on my own early demise. She's resentful. Mrs. Hart, she's not Mrs. Hart. That's Mr. Shark to you. She's Agatha. She's just scared.

Is this an impression or a dub? It's an impression. Not obsession. I thought that was pretty good. The clock is ticking. She's taunting the spirits. Maiden, Mother Crone. Spirits be known. I love that TV in back on older guys i wonder if each of their outfits is based on an 80s movie comments let us know d e a t yet

who death we're not supposed to ask about death character or concept thanos is lady puns you puns or punish her Are you sure John Berthal? Is he here? Who do you want to punish? A, G, A, D, H. Let's go.

A, G, A T, H.A. Keep those hands on. Keep the hands on. What are you doing? Whoa, cool. It's classic. Do you think it would be death in terms of Thanos' girl? I think the personification, it's a character in Marvel, like an actual...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Punish, Agatha! Also dated Deadpool. Deadpool, dated for a long time. Thanos wasn't happy. It's how we passed the trial. Got to beat the shit out of Agatha. We could tire up.

You're not serious. Humiliation would work, too. I mean, or we could just slit her throat. So many options. People ask me why I don't have female friends. Is there anyone else turned on right now? I mean, pretty great outfits. This is my textbook fantasy to the team.

There's rope. There's knives. All the things they just say they wanted to do to her. Let's talk about this for a minute. We're sisters in the craft. The craft. We need light. You got a great blood moon phases above the door too.

Does anyone? What monster lurks above? Whoa! Evil... Is that dead, Agatha? This is full-on evil dead. Let's go. Cabin of the Woods.

Look at her face! Yes! You're okay? Oh my God, it's full on. It's an exorcist. I mean, yeah, it's over both. It's the possession episode. It's the evil Dexercis.

Do something goryperhead of it Ripper head of I was short-lived Where is she? Uh-oh, let's go spooky toys That was different when Rio suddenly gets serious ghosts. Who?

Who are you? Evanora Harkness. Oh, Harkness or no? Hey, mom. Yeah, I thought I drained you. Nice having you in my body. Never felt so close to you before. My cousin risked everything to kill her.

The mother wanted to kill. Banish her? Emotion ties them to this plane. They have unfinished business. business i have no unfinished business she's got to punish her daughter must finish the witch's road without agatha oh leave her with me no no way she's so serious but her mother can't have her interesting you got beef why do you hate me still you were born evil oh no one's born I ought to have killed you the moment you left in my body.

Does she have the 666 on a cow lick? You're a bad mom. This is awkward as hell for everyone. Please take you with you. Don't, don't let me leave her. You guys are all here because of Agatha. Don't leave me with her. It's a riddle, it's a trick, you have to bring her out.

You gotta all do the road. Agatha only seems evil when the mom's possessing. Oh, there's some power. Oh, God, oh, I get the door. Come on. What? Tuckin the life force out. Right after saving her.

Who are you? And I see. Nichols Cage. A C.R.A.T. Nicholas Scratch. Is it the bunny? Mr. Scratch is a commonly used devil. Is that her son? That's why she named the bunny that.

That never in the game without saying goodbye. I've never played reaching. You killed her though. Alice, please wake up, Alice. Alice, come on. Alice, come on. Wake up. Uh, that'd be a bunch of bullshit if they killed her off.

She just got her episode last week. I know. I don't... Yeah. You're a... There's a spell. There's always a spell. Alice, please wake up.

Alice! Alice, come on. Alice, come on. Give it back. I mean, how'd you come to be, son of Scarlet Witch? I'm sure there's some ability you have. I don't think I've finished the road now. Could control it.

Yes, you could have. You wanted her power. That's what this has always been about for you, isn't it? That's what all this is about. You guys have all been jerks to her? Death comes for us all. You think Aubrey Plaza's death? They cut to her twice when they were on now.

The Ouija that seemed a little suspect. Killing people to serve your own agenda, not for me. And she's hot enough. Aubrey Plaza, is death, Gaia, black heart. Dooms Mom. Are you sure? You're so much like your mother.

Oh my god, that devil is grinned. Come, pet. Jeeps. Damn, what's snapped in you? Everyone's getting a little juice back. Hey, buddy. Stop. We gonna bind you.

Stop! Why are you? What is teen, stop? Finish the trials. What is the line for the craft? I bind you, you will do no harm. Oh! Wait, help me!

She's getting the venom symbiote. Ha ha ha! Into the bog I think they've been possessed and he's the only one that can stop it for some reason so he just repelled them now they're all getting absorbed we are getting a little more evil dead than I expect

whoa he's got the Scarlet Witchman You should see me in the crowd Everyone's thumbnail. The needle drop. Damn. Billy Elish and a thumbnail for the whole internet. That was a good gag. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we just watched Agatha all along, episode five.

Now we're going to do our spoiler review. If you're listening to us on Apple or Spotify, please follow us here. And, hey, leave us 10 stars. That would be amazing. Two sets of fun. Well, guys, this was an episode where they went through another trial. Everyone was kind of a dick to Agatha. And it seems that maybe the big villain of the show is going to be Agatha's son, Nicholas Scratch, who is in comics, the father of the Salem 7.

Also known as Mr. Schart. Mr. Schart did accept for what this episode. So it's kind of interesting to have Agatha's mom and the son. both seemingly malicious like casting out casting Agatha aside

really saying she is pure evil but is she evil is she just behaving evil because everyone believes she was but she did drain her mom she's probably not

the real Agatha though that's what we're going to learn guys that's what I've assumed for all comic book properties it's just a body swap life model decode the shell she does is inspire the real Agatha

to happen and then Of course, I think the big ending that everyone's going to be talking about is finally the confirmation that he is Wiccan! Yeah, which... That was a Wiccan headband, right? He literally was wearing the same clothes he wore as a youth in Multiverse Madness. There's that shot of him in Halloween and then he's that shot.

He's got the headband and the colored shirt. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. She's making points. Yes. Yes. And as an episode, though, While there's Marvelisms and I think the setup for however the rest of the journey is supposed to turn into, I think a lot of those setups are very nice. I think a lot of those setups are intrigued. I'm intrigued to see how the next episode will progress, basically. Now it's, I want to talk, though, with you guys. I want to just have a conversation with you gentlemen.

Let me ask you this. Woke culture. Okay. There were a lot of women here, and they left the kitchen. It is weird that the... and the gay witch show has so many gay witch characters, and I don't think that's appropriate. They weren't supervised.

It's not true to the spirit of a witch story. No men was telling them what to do. And I prefer my witch is to be. The man was controlling the women at the end. With mind powers, which is what real men must do. That's true. As is his right as a man. No, seriously, let's talk about it.

It was fine. That was suicide. Yeah, I mean, I felt like for me, personally, I could only speak for myself and Coy and John. Oh, yeah. That's fair. Take it away, Daddy. The episode,

it seemed like this show is getting like better every single episode. And while again, I like the last couple of minutes quite a bit, the actual episode itself was like a okay, I wasn't in love with it.

Like, I love the last episode. Yeah, four was, I was like, I'm in. Because you remember, I didn't really love the first. two and then the third one i was like maybe and then four i was like oh and now i'm like maybe yeah something about the gas pedal on this one seemed to sort of slow down and didn't really do anything that was didn't feel unique or super intriguing and it's it felt the most disney channel to me too it was only 20 minutes and i was a little bored i mean like they had the broom thing yeah which was fun love that and were they um you know then the exorcism thing the wiji

board you got to do classic wiji board and then they had straight up like. I love the 80s too much to not feel anything. I mean, it seemed like it was 80s an idea. Like the other ones, they seem like they really embraced the trial and what the genre was. And then they kind of did a hodgepodge of several things that went down. And it didn't really seem to have a fluidity to how it progressed. So I was a little bit like, oh, this seems like it left a spot for a really great playground for this trial, but didn't fully quite go there. Like even like if they're being possessed by the mom and then doing the dead-eyed shit it was like was Nicholas Marks pretending to be the mom like scratch thank you thank you yeah

I just heard what I said it took me two whole beats the notebook author was he pretending to be no but like I couldn't quite tell what the implication was was he pretending to be the mom in visual because that's who was writing

and like that is the devil and, you know, lore, and also, I think that's the money. But, like, I don't feel... I mean, the mystery is still ongoing. I just feel like I don't understand that beat. Well, what's the mystery? Of, well, we figured out who teen was. What's the question, I mean?

My question is, was she possessed by her mother or by Nicholas Scratch? Oh, by the end of it? Yeah, yeah. Like, when she's, like... Like, why was Nicholas Scratch spelled that? Well, I feel like that's the reveal that it is Nicholas Scratch. And not her mother. Yeah, because he was...

tending to be her mother. Because episode three brought back to her having a son and to directly call out Nicholas Scratch, who is a big character for Agatha and a villainous character as well. I think that's probably the big reveal or something. I don't know. Maybe it's just all Rio's big plan.

Because, you know, like that was something I did like was like Rio would get serious during certain moments here because she's kind of just been having fun and laughing at everything. And then when she got serious, it actually raised like the threat level of what we were watching. I do feel like this needed another draft.

There's just something off about this particular one. There was something that was like only 70 to 80% there. I think it just needed a little bit of a punch up. But I don't know. That's just my feeling on it. This episode was fun-sized. And I think that that kind of goes with all the pleasures and drawbacks of a fun-sized candy because you're like, there's a lot of fun stuff in here.

And I like all the riffs. But it's also drawing from a bunch of. movies and especially like possession movies are kind of built on the back of tension and release and this was yeah moving so quick that it was like fun but you didn't really have enough time to like really baths in the dread of the possession and then the flipperoo into like crazy contortions and stuff like that this really felt to me like it didn't feel like that's the other thing before i lose it sorry i'm only interrupting this by out of my own insecurity is that i feel like i'm going to lose my point that i'm at trying to thought it didn't feel

feel like a trial. The other ones felt like a trial. I thought there would be a more apparent riddle to having, yeah, the mom possessing Agatha and then the Nicholas Scratch element and you know, the familial trauma that all that

kind of represents and the fulcrum that Agatha is in that and the emphasis the road has made on like, you got all do this together. Like, not to borrow a weirdo reference, but like, I get kind of a soft five vibe from that where it's like oh it seems like each step of the way you might saw five of course the game in that movie is designed for everybody to make it to the end but it seems like each step

of the way you're going to lose a member so like this feels kind of like it's playing on that razor's edge of like will we lose somebody each time or or is there the potential to lose somebody each step of the way and you know we haven't as of the last episode we didn't lose anybody but still like is there something to the fact that we all need to make it to the end that is in the soup of the riddle or something, which is, now it doesn't quite seem like it is adhering to, and I don't know what the rules are about, like, when people die. But this kind of felt to me, like, when you, they, like,

planned a trip with eight stops, and, like, at a certain point along the trip, they just realized, like, oh, we don't have enough time and money for this stop. So, like, we're going to stop really quick. Everybody take a few pictures, and then we're going to move on to the next thing, which I hope is more substantial. The ball of yarn, you just pop by, a little snappy, snappy, go along. canyon.

It's very important. So like, hey, you know what? Greg gave up entirely on the tree. Greg, he took his photo left. Yeah. He's already out of the next. Screw this show.

Greg just bailed all together. I'm over this shit, everyone. Greg's editing penguin right now. It's like, I like the bookends of the, the, I like the bookends. It's like, I think it was cool to have the witch ritual and the whole practical magic thing and we got to do an incantation, which does make me, I'm curious about how the literal magic part is working, because as of the title of the title of episode and as of some of the implications it seems like they're just slowly getting powers back

gradually. But also his emphasis on practical magic is sort of like, oh, it's just less convenient instant magic because they got to fly. But I thought that was really fun, really lovely in Halloween and in the witch lore and in a Disney channel like spirit that's like hocus pocus, where it's not slight to say that. And I like the ending part and the way they let that moment between Agatha and teen breathe and stuff like that. But yeah, like the actual possession part in the middle and its function as a trial for everyone is kind of quick and muddy and yeah it's like you get the main emphasis like that moment where agatha's trying to steal the power and it certainly seems like that was either a choice or if anything like an id reflex or something

of hers because like i think you know her deceit and her her playing of that moment of like i didn't mean to like part of me is like you're absolutely lying but a little part of me is like i don't know What's going on here? So, yeah, I feel like this could have breathed and really, like, emphasized its themes better, but I still had fun. Like, I had fun. It was nice for Halloween time. I just wish it was more substantial. I feel like this is back to my episodes one through three note where I'm like, I can acknowledge that it's a good time, but I think it's just not my demo.

And that's okay. But I'm definitely back in the, maybe this will just finish as a show that I got to be like, I'm glad to have seen it. I'm glad it's for people that enjoy it, but I think this is one of the times where me knowing the comics really made that underwhelming. Like, I didn't think the Wiccan mystery was cliffhanger worthy or, like, reveal-y. I thought they told us that. I thought they did, too. Like, we all knew that, right? I thought so.

It seems quite obvious. But we're also not the demo, because we're, like, over the age of 17. But I think the reveal, though, I think there's a bigger implication of the deeds that he just did. Yeah, possessing everybody and like the scope of power he demonstrated. Yeah, I feel like the big question now is like who's the villain of the show? Sure.

Yeah, that's still looming. I just, I don't know that. I just don't feel connected. Like when she died, I wish I'd felt more because she was the lead of the last episode and I felt very little. She's Asian. Yeah.

And we had to move right along from that. We really left. Like Debra, Debra drove her up. We literally ended the episode. Then we moved along. With her, she died and we moved along. It's just they don't let anything breathe. Agatha move along.

Yeah. it's like the beats it's like all the major beats are there is there i feel like they could have yeah just like put more air in between them yeah i don't know i just wanted i wanted to connect more i guess and then maybe that's just because it's not a style of show that is geared at me and people are clearly going to connect and i think people like the show um i just think that i want i don't think you need to chalk it up to demo i think it's literally just the i feel like this sometimes you get an episode that maybe it's just not quite hitting yeah this is that i don't i don't think The overall show feels like it's not hitting.

I feel like one episode hit for me out of five. As much as I like living in an age where they can oscillate run times for episodes and you can have sort of differently shaped episodes, part of me almost wonders, like, would it be better to have like at least a minimum of time? Because, yeah, it does get a little strange in hindsight when you're like, 43 minutes, 37 minutes, okay, now it's 20 minutes. This was like a quiby episode. Yeah, yeah, it's just, like, so quick.

Like, was that even a half hour? No. No, it's like 25 minutes? Yeah, more minutes? Yeah, I think a lot happened in this episode, and it didn't feel like a real, I feel like things happened at this house, but a trial didn't take place. And the trial's been part of the fun of what's helped keep a good, like, in terms of just storytelling, a good structure, a good focus, because they have to solve something.

The trial in four is when I was engaged, and I think you're right. Because trial in three, I didn't really consider a trial. It just felt like a stove they crawled in. trial in four made it feel like like make a spell though and do some shit but that's why three was halfway for me because i was like oh we felt like task and then four was full and this felt like three again and it's like they had like a good mystery and handling of how to do the trauma of things this episode felt like a previously on this kind of just i feel like i watched next week's previously on i feel like things happened and information was dispersed but do what i mean like the editing even like i really feel like i watched episode six is previously on and that was episode five, because it was just like, here are the beats. Yeah. I think that's part of what makes the trials charming, is if they're going about it the right way, you should have a blend of fun aesthetic shift, a riddle of, a thematic riddle of

some kind, and then an interesting set of puzzles and obstacles. And I feel like this had puzzles and obstacles, and it started to broach at least themes and backstory for Agatha, but it felt mostly functional in the figuring out, because even the puzzle is just sort of like, just read the Ouichabort. and passed out this spirit rather than like working together to figure something out. And I get that like we've done that a couple times and you could change

that up or whatever. But yeah nobody really seemed to rise to a place where they were truly affecting that much except for teen at the end and Agatha stealing the power. Guys I feel like we've made all the points we're going to make. You know at the end of the day Mrs. Shart was born here. Mr. Shart was born and for that I'm happy.

Signor Shardee. Mr. Shart, we appreciate you. I mean if there's one thing I'd like to actually the one other point is death i think i feel like death could be an actual character that does appear if there's a one universe for it to appear in for in terms of the subsection of marvel i feel like death could appear they said death was here and it felt like a very physical not an abstraction the part that made me think of death that it could be her like the thought came like several minutes after was when they said death and then it cut to above shot and albri applause and starts laughing yeah and she also wears a green robe death does and she wore a green robe death does and she wore a

green robe in the first introduction of character. I don't remember that. There are so many plausible pitches. Do you think that they might like amalgamate like Gaia Blackheart, death? Like, do you do any amalgamation of those characters into one? I think they could and I think that would make some sense

of how abstract like those entities can be. I don't know if Blackheart, like if the daughter of death being death, like Blackheart, I'm sorry, the daughter of the devil, the daughter of the devil, i.e. Blackheart being death, kind of works. But I also, she appeared

in the Witch's Road right after someone died. Because I think that's at least interesting. She was in the neighborhood. There's an interesting dynamic to that because I feel like with Aubrey Plaza, they've given you a bunch of things that she could be for that mystery. They've done costume suggestion and other things, dialogue suggestions.

Whereas with teen, it is much more of like, I feel like in a show like this, you can't have like different levels of a mystery. Like the teen mystery, pretty basic if you know the context. The guy, the Rio mystery might be a little bit more than that. And then the big villain at the end. There's something even bigger than that.

I like that approach. Maybe that'll sell me as we can go along. For teen, it's like I'm not as upset about it being like a major shock reveal. It's more like this is a development for this character. And now ostensibly moving forward, he'll have a whole new sort of role in the show. He can level up. That's so true, guys. Greg has been invested in this whole conversation. He hasn't moved. He's been riveted. I got to edit this.

All right. It doesn't love this wild. What are you so? Why are you talking to me? I got a tat, tat. Hey guys, literally like, uh, subscribe. And, uh, yeah, I give this episode a, um, uh, fine. Yep, that's my rating, fine.

Fine. It's fine. And a little lackluster. I put it number three out of the five. Nope. Number five for me. I'll be like number two. I'll put it.

I'll give it a six point. 6-6 rating. No, that's good to hear. That's kind. All right, guys. We'll see you. Bye, everyone. Bye!

Well, ladies and gentlemen, we just watched Agatha all along, episode five. Now we're going to do our spoiler review. If you're listening to us on Apple or Spotify, please follow us here. And, hey, leave us 10 stars. That would be amazing. Two sets of fun. Well, guys, this was an episode that they went through another. trial everyone was kind of a dick to Agatha and it seems that maybe the big villain

of the show is going to be Agatha's son, Nicholas Scratch, who is in comics the father of the Salem 7 also known as Mr. Schart. Mr. Schart did except for what this episode. So it's kind of interesting to have Agatha's mom and the son both seemingly like malicious like casting outside casting agatha aside

really saying she is pure evil but is she evil is she just behaving evil because everyone believed she was but she did drain her mom she's probably not

the real Agatha though that's what we're going to learn guys that's what I've assumed for all comic properties it's just a body swap life model decode shell she does is inspire the real Agatha

to happen and then of course, I think the big ending that everyone's going to be talking about is finally the confirmation that he is Wiccan! Yeah, which... That was a Wiccan headband. Yeah, he literally was wearing the same clothes he wore as a youth in Multiverse Madness. There's that shot of him in Halloween and then his last shot.

He's got the headband and the colored shirt. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. And as an episode, though, I'm, you know, like, while there's marvelisms and I think the setup for however the rest of the journey is supposed to turn into, I think a lot of those setups are very nice. I think a lot of those setups are intrigued. Like, I'm intrigued to see how the next episode will progress, basically. Now it's, I want to talk, though, with you guys. I want to just have a conversation with you gentlemen.

Let me ask you this. Woke culture. Okay. Yeah. There were a lot of women here, and they left the kitchen. It is weird that the gay witch show has so many gay witch characters, and I don't think that's appropriate. They weren't supervised.

It's not true to the spirit of a witch story. No man was telling them what to do. And I prefer my witch is to be. The man was controlling the women at the end. With mind powers, which is what real men must do. That's true. As is his right. It's his right as a man.

No, seriously, let's talk about it. It was fine. That was suicide. Yeah, I mean, I felt like for me personally, I could only speak for myself and Coy and John. Oh, yeah. That's fair. Take it away, Daddy.

The episode, it seemed like this show is getting, like, better every single episode. And while, again, I like the last couple of minutes quite a bit, the actual episode itself was, like, okay, I wasn't in love with it. Like, I love the last episode. Yeah, four was, I was like, I'm in. Because you remember, I didn't really love the first two. And then the third one I was like, maybe. And then four, I was like, oh. And now I'm like, maybe.

Yeah, something about the gas pedal on this one seemed to sort of slow down and didn't really do anything that was, didn't feel unique or super intriguing. And it felt the most Disney channel to me, too. It was only 20 minutes and I was a little bored. I mean, like they had the broom thing, which was fun. Love that. And were they, you know. And then the exorcism thing. A Ouija board.

You got to do classic Ouija board. And then they had straight up like... I love the 80s too much to not feel anything. I mean, it seemed like it was 80s an idea. Like the other ones, they seem like they really embraced the trial and what the genre was. And then they kind of did a hodgepodge of several things that went down. And it didn't really seem to have a fluidity to how it progressed. So I was a little bit like, oh, this seems like it left a spot for a really great playground for this trial.

but didn't fully quite go there. Like, even Agatha being possessed by the mom and then doing the dead-eyed shit, it was like... Was Nicholas Marks pretending to be the mom? Scratch, thank you, thank you. Yeah. I just heard what I said.

It took me two whole beats. The notebook author, was he pretending to be? No, but like, I couldn't quite tell what the implication was, was he pretending to be the mom in visual because that's who was writing and like that is the devil and you know lore and also I think

that's the money but like I don't feel I mean the mystery is still ongoing I just feel like I don't understand that beat well what's the mystery of well we figured out who teen was what's the question I mean my question is was she possessed by her mother or by Nicholas Scratch

oh by the end of it yeah yeah like when she's like why was Nicholas Scratch spell that well I think I feel like that's the reveal that it is Nicholas Scratch Not her mother. Yeah, because he was pretending to be her mother. Because episode three brought back to her having a son and to directly call out Nicholas Scratch, who is a big character for Agatha and a villainous character as well.

I think that's probably the big reveal or something. I don't know. Maybe it's just all Rio's big plan. Because, you know, like, what I was something I did like was they, like, Rio would get serious during certain moments here because she's kind of just been having fun and laughing at everything. thing. And then when she got serious, it actually raised like the threat level of what we were watching. I do feel like this needed another draft. There's just something off about this particular one. There was something that was like only 70 to 80 percent there. I think it just needed

a little bit of a punchup. But I don't know. That's just my feeling on it. This episode was fun-sized. And I think that that kind of goes with all the pleasures and drawbacks of a fun-sized candy because you're like, there's a lot of fun stuff in here. And I like all the riffs. but it's also drawing from a bunch of movies and especially like possession movies are kind of built on the back of tension and release and this was yeah moving so quick that it was like fun but you didn't really have enough time to like really baths in the dread of the possession and then the flipparoo into like crazy contortions and stuff like that this really felt to me like it didn't feel like that's the other thing before I lose it sorry I'm only interrupting this out of my own insecurity yeah is I feel like I'm gonna lose my point I'm trying to thought. It didn't feel like a trial. The other ones felt like a trial.

I thought there would be a more apparent riddle to having, yeah, the mom possessing Agatha and then the Nicholas Scratch element and, you know, the familial trauma that all that kind of represents and the fulcrum that Agatha is in that. And the emphasis the road has made on like, you got to all do this together. Like, not to borrow a weirdo reference, but, like, I get kind of a soft five vibe from that where it's like, oh, it seems like each step of the way you might... Saw five, of course.

The game in that movie is designed for everybody to make it to the end, but it seems like each step of the way you're going to lose a member. So, like, this feels kind of like it's playing on that razor's edge of like, will we lose somebody each time, or is there the potential to lose somebody each step of the way? And, you know, we haven't, as of the last episode, we didn't lose anybody. But still, like, is there something to the fact that we all need to... to make it to the end that is in the soup of the riddle or something, which is, now it doesn't quite seem like it is adhering to.

And I don't know what the rules are about, like, when people die. But this kind of felt to me, like, when you, they, like, planned a trip with eight stops. And, like, at a certain point along the trip, they just realized, like, oh, we don't have enough time and money for this stop. So, like, we're going to stop really quick. Everybody take a few pictures. And then we're going to move on to the next thing, which I hope is more substantial. The ball of yarn. because he just popped by

and a little snappy, snappy we gotta get to the Grand Canyon. It's very important. So like, hey, you know what? Greg gave up entirely on the journey. Greg, he takes his photo left. Yeah, he's already out for me.

Screw this show. Greg just bailed altogether. I'm over this shit, everyone. Over here, Greg's editing penguin right now. It's like, I like the bookends of the, I like the bookends. It's like, I think it was cool to have the witch ritual and the whole practical magic thing

and we got to do an incantation, which does make me, I'm curious about how the literal magic part is working because as of the title of this episode and as of some of the implications it seems like they're just slowly getting powers back gradually but also his emphasis on

practical magic is sort of like oh it's just less convenient instant magic because they got to fly but I thought that was really fun really lovely in Halloween and in the witch lore and in a Disney channel like spirit that's like hocus pocus where it's not slight to say that

and I like the ending part and the way they let that moment between Agatha and teen breathe and stuff like that but yeah like the actual possession part in the middle and its function as a trial for everyone is kind of quick and muddy and yeah it's like you get the main emphasis like that moment where agatha's trying to steal the power and it certainly seems like that was either a choice or if anything like an id reflex or something of hers because like i think you know her deceit and her playing of that moment of like i didn't mean to like part of me is like you're absolutely lying but like little part of me is like, I don't know, maybe something else is going on here. So, yeah, I feel like this could have breathed and really, like, emphasized its themes better, but I still had fun. Like, I had fun. It was nice for Halloween time. I just wish it was more substantial.

I feel like this is back to my episodes one through three note where I'm like, I can acknowledge that it's a good time, but I think it's just not my demo. And I, and that's okay. But I'm definitely back in the, maybe this will just finish as a show that I got to be like, I'm glad. to have seen it. I'm glad it's for people that enjoy it, but I think this is one of the times where me knowing the comics really made that underwhelming. I didn't think the Wiccan mystery was cliffhanger worthy or like reveal-y. I thought they told us that. I thought they did too. Like we all knew that, right? I thought so. It seems quite obvious. But we're also not the demo because we're like over the age of 17. But I think the reveal though, I think there's a bigger

implication of the deeds that he just did. Yeah, possessing everybody and like the scope of power I think that's, yeah, I feel like the big question now is like who's the villain of the show? Sure. That's still, yeah, that's still looming. I just I don't know that. I just don't feel connected. Like when

she died, I wish I'd felt more because she was the lead of the last episode and I felt very little. She's Asian. Yeah. And we had to move right along from that. We really left. Like Debra, Debra drove her up. We literally ended the episode then we moved along. With her, she died and we moved along. It just, they don't let anything breathe.

Agatha move along. It's like the beats, it's like all the major beats are there. It's just there, I feel like they could have, yeah, just like put more air in between them. Yeah, I don't know. I just wanted, I wanted to connect more, I guess. And then maybe that's just because it's not

the style of show that is geared at me and people are clearly going to connect. And I think people like the show. I just think that I want to, I don't think you need to chalk it up to demo. I think it's literally just the, I feel like this, sometimes you get an episode that maybe

it's just not quite hitting. Yeah, this is that. But I mean, the overall show feels like it's not hitting. I feel like one episode hit for me out of five. As much as I like living in an age where they can oscillate run times for episodes and you can have sort of differently shaped episodes, part of me almost wonders, like, would it be better to have like at least a minimum of time? Because, yeah, it does get a little strange in hindsight when you're like,

43 minutes, 37 minutes, okay, now it's 20 minutes. This was like a quitty episode. Yeah, yeah, it's just like so quick. Like, was that even a half hour? No. No, it's like 25 minutes? Yeah, I think a lot happened in this episode and it didn't feel like a real, I feel like things happened at this house, but a trial didn't take place.

And the trial's been part of the fun of what's helped keep a good, like in terms of just storytelling, a good structure, a good focus because they have to solve something. The trial in four is when I was engaged And I think you're right Because trial in trial in three I didn't really consider a trial It just felt like a stove they crawled in Trial in four made it feel like

Make a spell though But no no you're right Do some shit But that's why three was halfway for me Because I was like oh we felt like task And then four was full And this felt like three again And it's like they had like a good mystery

And handling of how to do the trauma Of things This episode felt like a previously on This kind of just I feel like I watched next week's previously on I feel like things happened And information was dispersed do you know what I mean like the editing even like I really feel like I watched episode six is previously on and that was episode five because it was just like here are the beats yeah I think that's part of what makes the trials charming is if they're going about it the right way you should have a blend of fun aesthetic shift a riddle of a thematic riddle of some kind and then an interesting set of puzzles and obstacles and I feel like this had puzzles and obstacles and it started to broach at least themes and backstores

for Agatha, but it felt mostly functional in the figuring out, because even the puzzle is just sort of like just read the Ouija board. Yeah, and cast out this spirit rather than, like, working together to figure something out. And I get that, like, we've done that a couple times, and you could change that up or whatever. But, yeah, nobody

really seemed to rise to a place where they were truly affecting that much, except for Teen at the end and Agatha stealing the power. Guys, I feel like we've made all the points we're going to make. You know, at the end of the day, Mrs. Shart was born here. Mr. Shart was And for that, I'm happy.

Signor. Mr. Shark, we appreciate you. I mean, if there's one thing I'd like to... Actually, the one other point is death, I think. I feel like death could be an actual character that does appear. If there's a one universe for it to appear in, in terms of the subsection of Marvel, I feel like death could appear. They said death was here, and it felt like a very physical, not an abstraction. The part that made me think of death that it could be her, like, the thought came, like, several minutes after, was when they said death.

and then it cut to above shot and Albury Blasel starts laughing. Yeah, and she also wears a green robe death does and she wore a green robe in the first introduction of her character. I don't remember that. There are so many plausible pitches. Do you think that they might

like amalgamate like Gaia Blackheart Death like they could do any amalgamation of those characters into one? I think they could and I think that would make some sense of how abstract like those entities can be. I don't know if Blackheart like if the daughter of death being death

like Blackheart like I'm sorry, The daughter of the devil, i.e. Blackheart being death, kind of works. But I also, she appeared in the Witch's Road right after someone died. Because I think that's at least interesting. And she said she was in the neighborhood. There's an interesting dynamic to that because I feel like with Aubrey Plaza, they've given you a bunch of things that she could be for that mystery. They've done costume suggestion and other things, dialogue suggestions.

Whereas like with teen, it is much more of like, I feel like in a show like this, You can't have, like, different levels of a mystery. Like, the teen mystery, pretty basic. If you know the context, the guy, the Rio mystery might be a little bit more than that. And then the big villain at the end, there's something even bigger than that. I like that approach. Maybe that'll sell me as we can go along. And for teen, it's like I'm not as upset about it being like a major shock reveal.

It's more like this is a development for this character. And now ostensibly moving forward, he'll have a whole new sort of role in the show dynamic. You can level up. That's so true, guys. Greg has been invested in this whole conversation. He hasn't moved. He's been riveted. I got to edit this.

It doesn't love this wild. Why are you talking to me? Aga tat, tat! Hey guys, literally like, subscribe. And yeah, I give this episode a fine. Yep, that's my rating. Fine. Fine.

It's fine. I'm a little lackluster. I put it number. three out of the five no five for me happy like number two i'll put it i'll give it a 6.66 rating no that's good at that's that's kind all right guys we'll see you by everyone bye