The Reel Rejects - AGATHA ALL ALONG 1x06 Breakdown & Review!!!!

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Starting point is 00:01:33 It was Agatha All Along? Episode 666. I would say this episode should be called It Was Billy Maximoff All Along. John, I know you love this show. I want to hear your thoughts first. I like this episode a lot. This might be one of my faves. I mean, I love having the Coven all together,

Starting point is 00:01:51 but I really enjoyed the sense of mystery, getting at least a brief glimpse of who William was before becoming. coming Billy and and even though yeah like toward the end you know that you're tying together things that we've already seen before I like the perspective shifts and all that stuff like without doing too much again of the witch road mumbo jumbo or or any like super overt spell casting this still had like a very kind of witch movie mystery feel about it that again just quite appeals to me so yeah and I mean all the fun with ralph boner and all that stuff like I thought this had the

Starting point is 00:02:29 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Randall. Uh, yeah, no, I, I thought this was great. This was a nice chance for Joe Locke to kind of take center stage and as such an important character, it makes a lot of sense for that to happen and, uh, hold the phone. His name's real, the actor's name. What a cool name. Joe Locke.

Starting point is 00:02:47 Yeah. Joe Locke. Oh my God. He should do a movie about it. He's the brother of the guy's such a movie. There was a prison character name and they did Joe Locke and he's locked up. Oh my God. It writes itself.

Starting point is 00:02:59 It's double meaning. He's the guy Tom Hardy's on the phone with in the movie. That accent. It's immaculate. Who knows what it is. Greg. Coy, I know this is not your demographic. You know, you're only got to preface that with each sentence.

Starting point is 00:03:12 Because otherwise, why say? You have to make sure to clear the people. People are going to think that this is the 100% the thing that I am craving at all time. People are like, they made the show for Coy. My name's on it. I weirdly realize the times where I'm not as interested in the show, but for the part i really like the show it's i'm just going to get my negative out of the way that's why is the only thing anyone thinks about it's usually when they're not in something else what i mean

Starting point is 00:03:40 by it's like how they're in the flashback and they have that dementia it's the like when they're on the road at the end the whole scene with like agatha and you don't like the real world of the show i only like the fictional narratives it wasn't fictional with his flashbacks but there's maybe there's something about the way it's shot in that sense and and and paste that I'm not the biggest fan of when it comes to the show. It's not like I dislike it. I just am not as interested when that's going on. Like even the dialogue change was like, fine.

Starting point is 00:04:09 But I thought everything before that was way more interesting than the final moments of the show, actually. And the reveal itself of looking for Tommy was a pretty obvious one. However, that is not most of the episode. Most of the episode is this story explaining how Billy Maximum, off came to be. And I thought it had a really great tone to bring Evan Peters back in an episode that felt a little bit like a Ryan Murphy-esque type of episode. I thought it was very fitting to reprise Ralph Boner in. And yeah, I thought, I think his performance is really strong too. And I find him more interesting than Agatha, honestly. So I really think that this is,

Starting point is 00:04:52 I thought this was a solid episode. I had a lot of fun with this one. Did you not like it again? Are you hated? You hate television? What is wrong with you? I just, I feel like they're John and I aren't 17-year-old girls or whatever you think this show is for it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:04 Who's the demo? When you say, I'm not, this is not my demographic. What's the demographic you're speaking up? Not enough explosions and man stuff. What's the demographic that you think it's for? Not me. I feel like this show is aimed.

Starting point is 00:05:15 What is the demographic? I feel like the demo of this show is queer women at the center. And that's what Koi hates. It is like, you know. Coi hates queer women. Whoever I say the demo. Since I said it's not for me, we'll villainize me to them.

Starting point is 00:05:31 And I know better, Craig. Obviously, you have a female ensemble. So, yeah, like a variety of femmes at the center and then the LGBTQ and then the horror, I think, is the third sphere. Anybody who likes horror stuff. And then the fourth sphere is Marvel. I'm sure. And I think it's made just for Scientologists at a certain Satan level. And I'm not there.

Starting point is 00:05:50 I'm just waiting on our level, Koi. Just pay those tributes to go to those audits. Zunu's not here. So I feel it's inappropriate. I'm really surprised you were you weren't I was like really into this one I thought I was fine I thought it was like a cool mystery behind like how he came to be and him uncovering everything the investigation I don't think I I have enough investment and I should at six episodes in in the character like Joe's character of William slash Billy I wasn't really interested in him until this episode I'm more interested now but I just kept being like oh it's a very complicated reason for his name to be the same name why did they do that like they It's kind of funny. He's like, William Cap, Willie Will?

Starting point is 00:06:29 And then he's like, my name is the nearest. I'm like, okay, it's kind of the same name. And like, I don't know. It just,

Starting point is 00:06:36 it feels, um, I want to care. I'm really trying hard. And that feels weird to want to try to like a thing. And like, it just feels fine. Like,

Starting point is 00:06:45 it's not bad. Uh, I, I personally did not enjoy the fifth episode. Like, I didn't enjoy it. Like, I had a hard time with the pacing,

Starting point is 00:06:54 the style, the ending. but this one was at least like a fine episode of television like i think this is definitely a step in the right direction i'm now much more invested in him which is hopefully going to tie me into the rest if they really killed those two witches like kind of unceremoniously but they also killed the the singing one that's the real life world stuff which you're like i just don't find i don't think that stuff is executed anywhere near as well as when they're doing something that feels like genre specific in some way which is like the alex murphy stuff or what rimer

Starting point is 00:07:25 Or even this whole episode. There was a genre bit. It was a psychological mystery. Like, that's the approach they took. I liked, like you mentioned, a few moments of revisiting that episode where she was in true detective mode. Like, just from the outside, the, you know, the spell perspective, that was cool to re-contextualize, like, what she went through. A fair of East Town accent back. What is that accent called?

Starting point is 00:07:49 It's so specific. And, like, the squat in the chair was actually funny. It's not a New England accent? It's aggressively, like, minisible. Soda, New England. I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's probably somewhere in that, in that region, but it's not as Boston as New England. It's like as north as Boston, but over.

Starting point is 00:08:04 Because it's like you swallow so many, anyway. They say car too hard. I don't know. I don't have the exact same opinion as us, so. Yeah, so, God, I hate me. I kind of hate your guts. Your opinions are not my demographic. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:18 When you talk about your feelings? Yeah. I feel attacked. Your feeling how I feel about it. Feelings are about me. If they don't like it and I do villain. If they like it, I don't villain.

Starting point is 00:08:33 Dude, it's your villain era, Coy. I'm in my art. I'm the witch all along. I hope that it wraps up in three episodes that feel like we've gotten to the point where we like this kid. He's going to be, you know, Wiccan in the Young Avengers that feels inevitable because they've introduced so many children. And I feel like...

Starting point is 00:08:49 They're all going to be adults by the time we get there. It's going to be like stranger things. They're like having kids. Eleven's married. The young, relatively speaking, Avengers. Young Avengers. But I'm excited for the Tommy Mystery. I'm excited for if Scarlet Witch comes back, which I feel like is a thing.

Starting point is 00:09:04 I feel like Mephisto might occur because his name was dropped. But overall, like, it was a fine episode. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm excited to shout out today's sponsor because it is an app that I have been using since before we partnered with them, which just makes my job easy. And I just get to share with you something I really do love. And that is the Acorns app. Because money's involved, I researched them extensively to make sure, like, they've got to be legit, right? You can find so many positive reviews on them.

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Starting point is 00:11:50 When William Kaplan was killed in the car accident. No idea. Doesn't make any sense. Yeah, why was she a cop? Because, like, that was a flashback. They all appear in, I mean, other, that... I mean, I guess that could have just been a job she was doing, but it seems the way they all appear in the flashback feels a little removed from reality.

Starting point is 00:12:10 Like, even though the tent at the Bar Mitzvah is technically something you could fathom being... A witch doing. Or the ad on the YouTube. was still doing her witchcraft candles. Yeah, those feel a little more naturalistic. That's what they were doing before. Why was she a right and laid a cop? The ringer is that.

Starting point is 00:12:27 And I wonder if it's just like maybe the beat that they're trying to communicate with that character is like, oh, she just got a bunch of different jobs. Maybe she was a cop at this point. She's a hot topic later on. That was three years earlier. And maybe there was a line that they did drop that maybe you guys could clarify for us.

Starting point is 00:12:42 Maybe there was a line that they dropped about how she used to be in law enforcement or something. Yeah. Either way. As a protector, it makes sense with her character beat. but either way it definitely made me go like what like uh but i think overall it added to the mystery like our confusion it's definitely there to make you go like oh this is this real like is this is a real flashback is this some kind of fantasy vision are they digging around in his head like i like the

Starting point is 00:13:05 boyfriend too yeah i like that scene with them that was this was written well i remember being like young and in love and not knowing what to say and it's i can't imagine adding the element of like mind reading to that and how it's already like oh no i don't know what to say but having that in your It had to be so hard. It's my worst nightmare that that thing of like, oh, I can't stop hearing people's thoughts. Please know. Well, I mean, that's what I liked it. They have the horror aspect of like, not like a horror movie, but the horrific aspect.

Starting point is 00:13:31 If you were able to not turn off your thoughts of hearing other people's thoughts and hearing the judgment and the worry and the pressure of that, then to go into a scene with the boyfriend. I think that's a very, that was a rather effective scene to get invested in the relationship with them because even though he's hearing. his thoughts. It's really sweet. I like that. I like the juxtaposition, the duality. Ah! And I like the show mirrors. Dualities, two mirrors. And that's a scene that I think is nice

Starting point is 00:14:02 because I'm sure they could find a way to edit it out, but at the same time it's one of the few times, especially in the Marvel wing of Disney, where I've been like, oh, they have like a gay character or something and they're actually like allowing this romance to be a real thing instead of, like, one kiss that we can easily cut out.

Starting point is 00:14:19 I know, man. Dude, he's a Jewish, gay witch with a black boyfriend. Yeah. How cool is that? The wokenest possible character. That boy's checking box. I mean, yeah. I like it.

Starting point is 00:14:32 And it's, you know, he is representing an entire community of which Jewish gay boys. They got to be out there. They're seen. They got to be out there. There's just something kind of cool to me about that because there is a time in history where you would not be able to say that. the fact that we can see that when watching a television show, like, there's something kind of cool to be about that.

Starting point is 00:14:51 And the way those details are interspersed throughout the episode, like they're obvious because they're like a ceremony or whatever, but it doesn't feel like tacky or trite the way that they introduce those details. We don't know if Billy Maximoff is Jewish. That's true. William Kaplan is Jewish. And Billy Maxinoff is appropriate. What if he was like, I'm down for everything in this life, but...

Starting point is 00:15:12 You know, my grandpa is Eric Lyncher. And we'd be like, dude, Billy, we were so on board for you. Everything was fine. Until he became anti-synmatic during this man. A real problematic with your history. Part of me, it wonders if there is some juju like that that hasn't obviously been explained. I don't know what I would say that word. So weird choice of words considering what we just said right now to go juju.

Starting point is 00:15:34 Oh, sorry. You mean Jewish Jewish? Jay-E-W. Dude, come on, man. Ju-J-J-U. I wonder if there's some kind of magical reason why. it would be like somebody who shares the faith of your ancestor and the name of your spirit or something like that and maybe why he found that body i think he's just outside i mean he's outside real close he's really close yeah it certainly feels like a coincidence or whatever like a very happy accident did Tommy have to find a body probably i mean they didn't i think the William Kaplan thing could have been effective in a good mislead if they actually use that in the show but they did the whole thing where you can't hear his name right so it

Starting point is 00:16:15 It, like, didn't really matter until this episode. I was like, you might have been better if you just called him William Kaplan, and they could hear that. Right, because then we wouldn't be like, who's he? Or it would have been like, that's close to Billy. Yeah, and he might have been like, I guess he's not Billy Maximoff. Yeah. And then it probably would. They were out of bonerness again.

Starting point is 00:16:29 But it's like, there was no point in calling him William Kaplan. It's just misleading for, like, the first 10 minutes of this episode. Right. But other than that, it does nothing, but be like, that's kind of funny. His name is William, but he was inhabited by Billy. Well, that's kind of what I mean at the show. It's like, why are we over? complicated. There's so many times I'm like, I guess

Starting point is 00:16:48 sure. Well, that's one of those things that I feel like could easily just be one of those cheeky like, ah, it's just a kind of coincidence they have the same name, whatever, but it is like, you're such a Marvel shit. But it is. But no, I mean, it's right on that razor's edge of like, or is this intentional, meaningful? I don't know. And two, there's the

Starting point is 00:17:05 displacement, there's the displacement of events in that you have the Patty Lepone character putting the sigil on him before he's become Billy, correct? So like that to make me curious about like oh what is it about you that already makes you a good vessel did that sigil summon bill oh yeah yeah that sidgill nailed it right there yeah she marked him that's true and yeah i mean i don't know what but why would she do that because yeah it's like

Starting point is 00:17:32 does she have any involvement with wanda at all or anything we don't know about in terms of wanda vision like like as of now i think this episode there are still questions just in the displacement of events even though this is in the guise of like we're going to explain a bunch to you Like, I feel like there could still be mysteries from this episode revealed further down the line if and when we see those characters again, because especially because she didn't get a death and, uh, Sashir's a maida didn't get a death, you know, or no, uh, who all's gotten deaths. Who, they're, far only the singer. Only Allian and only, uh, not Padilla Lipon, uh, Deborah Joe Rupp.

Starting point is 00:18:08 Yeah. Uh, Sharon Davis. Thank you. So, yeah, those guys haven't died yet. And I feel like they will, if they don't come back, I will have gripes, but I feel like they'll have some more mystery to dispel when they return. I still feel like episode four is my favorite, but this should be like my second favorite or third one of their. So it's high up there.

Starting point is 00:18:25 But yeah, guys, I'm good. I'm good. Bring back Aubrey Plaza as well. I'm done talking. Spring back Aubrey Plaza. If I'm done talking, we should all be done talking. I'm done talking. All right, we're done talking.

Starting point is 00:18:36 Let us know in the comments, but thank you. Thank you. Let us know if you're part of the demographic that enjoys this show. Hey, are you part of the demographic? What is the demographic? I'm going to do my review just from the perspective of that whole... Every five minutes, I'll repeat it and make sure... I find it's funny, and not that you do this,

Starting point is 00:18:52 but people get up in arms about Marvel doing things for not just one demographic, and I'm like, why? Like, there are so many properties, so many stories, so many facets of the universe. Why can't you aim toward multiple demographics? That I know it's not something that is aimed at me, so I'm happy people like it. And all of a sudden, I'm a monster.

Starting point is 00:19:11 I think that's a good distinction to be able to make. be like hey if you like this great that's good that's a good nuance i'm glad people like it and i'm glad it's doing assume that if it's not for you it's just bad that's exactly what i'm trying to prevent but here i am getting crap all right that's gonna do it leave a comment leave a like leave a subscribe and uh peace be with you leave well bye oh

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