The Reel Rejects - AGATHA ALL ALONG 1x08 1x09 Breakdown & Review!!!

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

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I have no idea. But maybe it'll make sense after we're done watching. John, are you excited? I am excited and I'm sad to let go. I'm sad to let go too. Coy, do you have any final predictions? Well, as Rihanna once said, which better have my money.

And so, I hope this is fulfilling and bountiful. Is that your final? All right, sure, why not? Don't act like you forgot. You ready to see what the finale has in store? Let's do this thing. Yes. Happy Halloween.

Well done. Nicely done, very impressed. all right ladies and gentlemen well we just watched agatha all along episode eight and nine a wonderful two-part finale if you ask me gents i thought they did an excellent job that was surprisingly great um well i think we should just give our quick thoughts and then go around and just going deep dive around here so quick thoughts core you just warmed up by shooting your solo review in between me prepping files. So why don't you give yours condensed thought in 30 seconds? Not 10 minutes.

I thought the show is maybe the biggest reversal from my experience from beginning to end of any show I've stuck with maybe ever. I usually don't give a show after three or four episodes. If it's not for me, I can see the quality, but I'm usually out. This I wanted to commit to. It's something that I love. I love this character. I love this character set. And I love that Marvel, when they're firing off cylinders, can tell stories that wouldn't normally get to the scale, much less to this broad of an audience.

And I really hoped that's where we'd get. And I hope I made that clear, even when I wasn't loving it. that I really thought there was so much potential in what witchcraft means to people and like the song elements in four and where things went. I didn't expect the end to be such a bittersweet, melancholy tribute to loss into that scale. Like I knew it would deal with death once we realized death incarnate was here and death herself had to play. I didn't think we'd get a full 30-minute day new ma morning with a mother. And I also didn't think the kiss that we wanted from the beginning would literally be the kiss of death. even when she was announced my brain reeled with oh of course the kiss would be the kiss of death so i loved that personally the emotional impact was even bigger for me as a comic zealot than seeing wicken descend like i remember being like that's cool but then it went right back to like i'm so sad and let that's really good storytelling if the emotion overrides my years of like comic book oh cool shiny was second to the story wow cool wantathan yeah uh i couldn't be more uh joyous at the moment i mean this as i've stated

from the top is like directly up my alley and I thought that this is overall you know show experience managed to start off in a place that was fun and intriguing and it picked up substance and wait as it went along and then yeah the as of these last three episodes like really transcended into something quite striking and quite unique within the bounds of the MCU as we know it and something that you know manages to take again so much different lore and history when it comes to witchcraft and you know blending that all together into something that is familiar if you're in any way aware of that stuff but that also feels kind of fun and fresh and interesting and yeah like especially you know in this coming off like you know the multiverse saga and everything or at least you know at the stage in which we're at in that it's nice it's very gratifying to kind of have a new facet revealed or you know some project really come by and nail it and i thought here we joked about it during the reaction but really like you minus a couple little things like

episode six i think it was still feels out of all of them kind of like slight or rush but for the most part this felt like they were able to come up with a plan stick to the play five was five save your ass there john the one where they do the Ouija board was a bit rush The 80s one we're both talking. The 80s one was rushed where Allian's character dies. Yeah, but other than that, I thought that they managed to, you know, really exemplify, again, what happens when you're able to come up with a plan, flesh that plan out, and for the most part, execute that plan. And this by the end became, has become one of my very favorite MCU things, certainly out of all the shows, but out of just the entire pantheon, like the flayings. Like the flavor and the texture of this and the seasoning on top of this was really striking and vivid and even on episodes that are maybe lighter than others or maybe a little less, you know, dense with riches than others.

Like everything felt of a piece and this was just such a joy for me and especially at this time of year, you know, a real joy to behold, you know, being in the Halloween time spirit. But then, yeah, coming back to something that is meaningful, that is universal, that is heavy, and that is nuanced, and that isn't just a big powers battle at the end, you know, even that element, the mystical, the personification of the mysticism and the argument back and forth about, you know, flashbang magic versus analog magic and versus spiritual magic, just like all of that together came into, you know, all that together worked out into a lovely witch's brew for me. that's true good point I think the first thing I just want to say is I'm proud of the show this show had a lot of things that were originally being pushed up against at the very beginning before it ever got released you know when they announced it and people were going like do we really want this

who really wants this there was so much of that part of the conversation just a weird question it felt like it would be something that would be like oh this is just like a fun side quest adventure but like by the end this felt like yeah this is like momentous This is of some type of import, even if it's not going to, like, change the hierarchy of power in the DCEU forever, you know. But who wants this feeling such a commodifying question? Like, we don't want this item. We don't want to be experiencing art.

We want to only experience the art we already expected to like. Like, that's such a waste. That's true. That's fair. Yeah, I didn't interrupt you guys. I'm so sorry. I hate both of you guys so much. All that empathy's gone.

You know, you kind of ruin the show from me. I'm sorry. I think Greg hates it now. I think both of you, like, directly ruined the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe as an entirety now. Yeah. Greg's out. Really, I just lost my train of thought, so I just wanted to blame you guys. That's why writing stuff down.

I was like, I'll just fill the time with blaming them. I'll sit silently. Just that idea. Who wanted this or, you know, what purpose does it serve? I know. He didn't. I didn't. I didn't remember.

I appreciated me. I got a safe face. I got a save face. He's playing CEO Greg today. I have to save face. Please just protect me at all times. It's got to lean in. And that means take the blame, take the fall.

He's Tom Cruise and tropic thunder. I'm not a real leader. No, he doesn't like Marvel anymore. He has to be vague. Yeah, that's how it is. I am not honest. What I wanted to say about the show is that is, yeah, I'm proud of it because of what they've had to go up against. and to watch a show where you can see it just in the zeitgeist of the internet

of people who were not even really on board for what happened in the first half of this series. You know, Coy's kind of a testament to that. It's like, there's the first half of this series. There's a lot of people who weren't on board for it and weren't really digging it. And then I think the show naturally found a really cool groove. And some people were on board.

There's a lot of people in our comments who were on board from the very beginning and complete respect to that. and then a lot of people though have come around to it even like it and more because of the quality of the storytelling and so i feel like it's earned its respect it's earned winning over people who were not for it and i love that and i love how the story itself did like there's just such a level of respect that i have for it said about the last i want to say last episode was two episodes ago technically but the last three episodes have done such a great job on recontextualizing this season as a whole so even if you weren't a big fan of the first half of it It makes you go back to that first chunk and go, whoa, actually there's rewatchability on it. Like, I have mad respect for the game of Agatha here. I can imagine that people, I can imagine there are people who probably were like, what, it was a lie? I don't know what the response is online towards the finale. And my takeaway for the fact that she just completely fabricated this whole witch's road thing

and just use it as a con to steal witch's powers. There's something that I think is so funny She's a state of villain It's so good She stayed a villain The whole time you're questioning Like is it Has she ever done this road before?

But she never questioned if the road was real or not No which is the great double blind Yeah So you just A song work This brilliant song And the fact that it's like Become this part of witch lore history

And had a famous song And to know that it's so ingrained In her son Nicholas Like that was such a bonding thing for the two of them and for motherhood and son and then also for i forget everyone's character's name who is the cop lady he just said her name all the on is the actor but i don't remember she's the most underserved character but all the on and then her mom uh who created the song to protect her like there was so much mythos and meaning placed around it and a lot of the time

what i think this show demonstrates is that power often comes from the meaning that we associate with it and that is where billy's powers come into fold because billy was able to conjure this whole road up off of william's interest this season yeah that's like the gnarly part to it because a lot of that room seems to be the same from when he took over william's body but so much of it still seems to be from like a hybrid manifestation of both william and billy combined so i i think there's just a lot of power in it um you guys want to talk about rio i'm gonna make sure i got i got i got a name no pad guy now um yeah i thought there was i was i was a little concerned for a bit i was like i was like i had faith in obby plaza but sometimes i was like okay are we

going to go down this cliche she's just powerful cackling kind of yeah i was there were times like is i going to do it i mean it's like pretty common actor but we're going to be going down that path are we going to go down that road yeah but we did nice john but we didn't actually ever do And I love the melancholy note at the very end of, like, death has responsibilities. And sometimes it's hard for her to fulfill those, but she knows what she's got to do. The last time we saw death was walking the child to his death, right? Like, that was such a, right? That was the last actual on-screen moment.

It was in flashback. But I like that it ended melancholy. But she even seems to grieve Agatha's death in a weird way, you know? I just love that the last moment of death is such a spiritual, like, ceremonial one. Like, we had the fun, Rio with her. relationships, but I love that death ends spiritually with her walking a child that she doesn't want to do. It's so much more melancholy, which is why I like the episode 9, not feeling like, I like

that Rio and 8 got to be like, I'm playing this character. And then Rio and 9 is literally like, I'm walking a child to their death or carrying them through death. That's so somber and crazy. Yeah. Well, and you can feel it's an interesting contrast because in the end episode, you're way far removed into the past. and she shows up in the woods

in that green you know in the in the ornate outfit and there's like a different feeling you can feel this being hundreds of years earlier in their relationship and then the way her presence compliments the rest of the series

like I think they did strike a really nice balance because she is this sort of chaotic impish presence for so much of it and you're not really sure what to make of how trustworthy or not

or what you know she lets on is true or not like I feel like that fits a character such as death this sort of like flitting fleeting you know like facet of life but that's i don't know yeah it can be so many things and i thought she managed to embody that like she's not too maniacal but she does have that sort of impish you know edgy kind of dangerous quality but she also has that sort of like timeless melancholy inappropriate moments like when she's escorting nicholas to the other side and again like people love abri plaza so like it's it's an easy kind of

of win, but also I feel like what she brought to it transcends that greatly and the way that the writers chose to incorporate her and pepper her presence and her flavor throughout this was really well chosen, well handled.

I've actually respected the role a lot. I was going to say, the acting wise, I really appreciate that we expect the fun side of Rio from Aubrey Plaza just because of like the role she's known for. But if you've seen like any of her indie work, I love that this got to show both sides of her because

the serene quiet, like just her ability to convey with her eyes like she did so much work with her eyes in those moments of Agatha and then without Agatha like silently mourning and being distant like calm serene her is so powerful. Yeah, I thought she made the character much more three dimensional and the

history that you can sense between her and Agatha the entire time I thought was great as well. I even I even really like how there is a bit of subversion and expectation I think in the way how they handled these because like when we were watching episode eight it really felt like what is usually a finale for one of these disney plus shows i really thought that's what was i had to remind myself that this is not the final

episode yeah just sort of was playing out like it was um outside of like the very final moments it was playing out sort of like it was when they're specifically in like agatha's backyard and fighting with death and stuff and i like how they okay so with agatha so much of her is she's avoiding, she's trying to escape death and then she actually comes into her, she's almost like an Obi-1 Canobi journey where she becomes like her most powerful self

once she like dies and moves on and becomes a ghost, you know? I'll be more powerful than you could ever imagine. Yeah, it was Obi-Wan all along. She took the high road. Yeah, now she has the high ground. Now she's the high ground. Hello there. I love how that's her, and I love

how they wrote her because it was never a full turn. Yeah, Like, I would, it's, one of my random notes is Agatha is not Loki. Because Loki at the end of the day, seemed to have like a full turn. You know, he was like a bad dude. And then he became just a good guy. And author season two, that's all he was. And I really loves it.

That's one of my favorite Disney plot. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying he just had a full shift. Good for that. For that. And then for Agatha. I never trusted her. Yeah, never trusted her, never quite new.

We'd write down to the wire where it's like, I should die. Billy offers himself and then she's like take Billy. And then it was like is this a ploy that it wasn't and you're like no it's not true to the end kind of like the fickle contemplatingness of her character also how that affects Billy like I really love the way Joe Locke plays it

because there are times where you could see he's so sympathetic and caring towards her and there are other times where he just seems like he wants nothing to do with her and to have her be abolished and I love the nuance of like so much of the heart is their relationship in the show and I think them too playing off of each other worked really great.

Like I love the final moments where he's trying to banish her and then the second she like says I can't face him he becomes sympathetic towards her you know. And the moment of the I killed members of my coven so do I like oh

like that was that was the gut punch I was waiting to feel all of the weight of what he'd gone through and he nails it in the line. Yeah. That was so impressive. That was really good. And even down to like he said down to the wire

up until the credits I was like she's going to betray him again. Like I love it even as a ghost I was like I wouldn't trust her. I love that. Agatha State of villain because Marvel, Disney traditionally oversimplifies their villains into

being good. Like there's a molyphousant sequel. Yeah. Not just one, two. So I really like the Agatha State villainous. Yeah, and that's kind of a hard thing to pull where it doesn't feel like you're assassinating the character that you saw from before. It's like you do humanize her. It was really cool

to get the origin tale of with her and her son and watch a play out. Like, we knew the origin, but to actually watch it play out as different, rather the being told what happened and to see her actual emotional experience to it and then watching that switcheroo happen where it's like an escape from pain at that very moment and like take literally manipulating the song to become just a thing of a con yeah um it's i i love i really love that reveal a lot i think that's such a good reveal like in his mind is really cool but for for some reason i

really dig i was just a big con that she's been playing this whole time well the power to meaning point you brought up at the top of your brief, to me is, like, I think a highlight of the show that I hadn't even spoken about my review, because it's literally what I love about language is like, we make up words and we go, that means this. And then how much we put on words is crazy. Like, the fact that I can't say, F, you CK on YouTube, because they're like, that's a word that's not allowed, is crazy. Like, we gave that meaning and power, and YouTube's like, no, no. So giving anything meaning by the power we give to it as a great metaphor for humanity, but then using it with magic in this show about magic where magic is real, but also magic, magic

not real and they talk about analog magic and they talk about the witch's road being something that should viably be real but she manipulates people because they believe it should because of this other stuff. I love all the subversions about the power of belief within a show that's literally about stuff that doesn't exist to the scale

because some magic exists ish but not like this might magic. Well and that actually that was a detail I especially appreciated them acknowledging and keeping track of here because you really do believe and especially when you're back in like the 17 hundreds you know like you you get that idea of like oh yeah these were women who were like living

on the margins who had been shunned from society from whatever reason or another and that's kind of where all this begins but like yeah especially in a universe like marvel where we all know that like superpowers are real and all that stuff and you're shooting laser beams and all that like I really really appreciated their effort to acknowledge like the entire swath like there are probably tons of witches who are not like full on like again I'm gonna laser beam powers you know battle you and you get that and it explains that but it also like spends a lot of time in the chasm in the valley between both elements in between analog magic and in between mystical you know telekinetic magic or whatever you want to call it yeah um and that's something they didn't have

to do at all but i feel like every step of the way they were always kind of showing that light side and shadow side of kind of most of the things they were bringing up or or addressing in one way or another i really just like how they showed agatha was actually just in pain the whole time. That birth scene was so powerful. Speaking of John's point, with that birth scene, thinking back to the 1700s and we, like, invented, or maybe earlier, but we invented gods, like, you know,

Zeus for lightning, because we didn't know how to explain stuff. Like, to me, magic's always been fascinating because so much of it is, like, the science you can't yet explain, and Marvel did a really cool job with that with Thor, but obviously that's had to evolve when you bring in Dr. Strange and Agatha. So it's really cool to see here they can keep subverting expectations of what beliefs are in

this world, allowing it to keep growing. That's a very good point. well and two just to have like to cross over into the real world side for a second like this is a very queer coded show in a way that is not to me pandery almost at all and i know that you know people get up in arms like you know there have been so many hit piece videos and rage bait videos on youtube about this show just doing what it's designed to do which is kind of silly but you know yeah i thought that throughout it was cool to see something that was like clearly authored by women by queer folks and that got to be just kind of all that it wanted to be without having to bear this mantle of like, oh, we have to be the ambassador for all of culture and society. It seemed like they were allowed to imbue this show with a spirit of identity that makes a ton of sense

for what the subject matter is and to not have that undercut by, you know, any, any, you know, thin or ill-conceived nods to progress so that we can pat ourselves on the back, like, especially in a witch story, because, like, the history of witches is the history of, again, like, the mistreatment and paranoia surrounding women and queer folks throughout history. So to at least spiritually, and, again, I'm not the best person to speak to that because it's not my direct experience. But I do appreciate when things like this are allowed to shine and are allowed to embody those experiences in a way that feels, at least to me from the outside, authentic, you know.

Very true. Speaking of that, Jen, Jen is freed. We didn't really get her full... She's the only one that didn't get a full, like, flashback episode. She didn't get, like, an episode. She got moments throughout episodes, but I feel like everything was kind of explained. It was her and Ali-on, and I feel like she at least got the benefit of, like, kind of being always prominent or involved a lot throughout every trial, and then you do get certain moments where you peer in specifically. Well, Ali-on, you got the whole thing with the mom, at least.

But that's more about her mom. And episode four, but so much of her identity is imbued in her mom. And episode four, what gets them out of the trial is Ali-on's... It's her serving her function, but it's the one character I was like, I would have liked to have actually spent some time bonding and peering into the story of you, whereas Jen, I felt like the show managed to bridge that gap without having to do a deep dive episode better than it did for it. I would have liked Boston episode, not just because of Boston, but I would have liked that episode after the reveal. I love the Agatha reveal, but I would have at least a scene to go experience her trauma so we could connect in a different way. than just by storytelling now none of us are black but i'm going to bring up something that i don't know if it actually is something i had a question about it when she does uh when she when she does

confront agatha and she does say oh god what was that exact line that she had about like taking her power back that was stolen from her and i know it's like agatha Caucasian witch and i don't know if i'm like reading into it but is there like some type of subtext that the show was actually trying to do This is the kind of thing that you bring up in the other camps. Like, you sound so woke and whatever. But I'm like, I don't know, man, it might have been there a little. I had assumed because of the way they even framed it. Like, the literal framing was like a shackled woman unshackling and the power structure and power dynamic inverted.

Yeah. I think it works on two levels. And certainly, yeah. The scene's not about that, but I like how they can do a little bit of a subtext to it is what I was kind of picking up on. Well, yeah. And I think not every single thing. Boy, you're playing on the phone. No, I'm not.

I was wondering where that chat. I was like, where's that sound? And I'm like, it's just cool. The phone. Guys, if there's not enough of my voice in this video, I brought a second me. I feel like, yeah, we got to add a Photoshop's additional coin to where. Yeah, what is that? You guys want a picture in a picture while I got a sound and a sound.

I think that moment is so pronounced in, in, it's one of those like intersection moments where I feel like a lot of which stuff anyway, bring you this feeling of just like the the ancestors are alive you know like the sort of the road through time that brought us here is sort of always awake and with us you know in the convergence of the elements and all that stuff and i feel like in a moment like that it crossed my mind anyway and i feel like it may not be the point but it certainly seems like something that would be in the soup of the emotionality the emotional tonality of that moment because you're right it's like i mean there is a whole other history that more intelligent people than me can unpack about The obvious of like black character, you know, taking back their agency from white character, but also too that how that works within even just the bounds of sisterhood feminism, white feminism versus true intersexual feminism, not to, you know, use all the trigger words. But I feel like it's certainly within the nuance of all that's there because she gets to go on this beautifully acted, you know, arc of emotion as it's like, first she's trying to convince herself, then it seems like she actually believes it. then the emotion starts to, the rawness starts to rear up. And so I have to imagine that that's in the soup. Maybe I'm curious to hear from people, if you are black,

what is your take on that moment? Even the last shot to me of her, where she literally like stands up, freedom flies away. That felt very charged with subtext. Yeah. So I had assumed the whole time, but I also, you know, the show is managing to each character's arc was kind of them being empowered in a very unique way

to their characters opening like I mean the the housewife finding friends the woman literally getting over the protection of her mother and protecting others the the black woman who was trapped in a in a commodified cycle of making you know chotchkes

and fake candle stuff being freed out of her culture yeah out of her culture that are like she's having to do this thing and then she's literally freed and empowered again like I feel like each arc and then Agatha literally was empowered by her accepting that she's never accepted the loss of her child.

Like, the empowerment arc of each of these women is literally what opens the show. And that's why, once that clicked in my potentially thick skull, it was like, oh, JJ. Like, the seeds planted are there and they're really wonderful. Well, and the story of witchcraft through the ages is the story of marginalized persecuted people. So it only makes sense. So flipping the tower upside down. Yeah, exactly. Beautiful.

Beautiful. Okay. All right. Well, we should wrap this up shortly. But you guys are sounding so good right now that I want to keep it going. um the billy powers we haven't talked about him becoming full cause full wickened out i like it because i was there were times where i was like how comic unaccard are they going to go because you know the powers like there were a lot of powers he doesn't really have but then at the end it being like his own reality i'm like he could there like he did because he's reality manipulating like his mom but i like that it's his mom with a twist where like there's a more tangible element to it there's there's a consequence to it in a different way so that also gets rid of some of the plot holes i had problems with yeah i like how similar his arc is in some ways

to his own mom. He's like it is kind of that recreation of trauma in a sense. You mentioned the hood up walkout, but like I've always like the concept of history rhymes. Yeah, but he was in that situation like his mother in history rhymed. He did it. He was like even, he was literally

casting a whole hex over the witches in a way. Again. A whole spell and a whole reality warping thing in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so fun. But I thought the reveal of him in outfit was an interesting one. because normally when the character comes full outfitted out it's a whole thing that they make of it or there's a buildup and you know what's about to happen he just landed it just showed up it was like whoa yeah my brain went wait wait yeah that was cool that was really cool and it looks good and i think it's a really good outfit oh the texture yeah it's a well love how costume especially the way it captured here with the saturation the contrast especially on the blue on the uh on the headpiece it looks good in the light address yeah it looks amazing doesn't always work true true um and the one

last thing i want to say for me at least um calling it agatha all along is great because this in terms of song because that song was so famous and i remember that's another thing of why i think mad respect to the show because when they announced what the official title is it was like oh my god but this song's so old and they're playing on this thing that's not relevant anymore and all that and then instead of just having like a fun little song they have the witches wrote song which is such a part of the personality and has so much meaning and is like in almost every episode like to some degree maybe not the first one but the rest it's like in all the episodes and instead they gave us a completely different song the witch's road which i think is like an

actually powerful song you know uh they dick i feel like you could even do the third a third show called the witch's road or something like that i feel like looking for tommy or something like that yeah yeah it makes me wonder what was happening down the witch's road or something yeah yeah further down well i think vision can touch on that i think the night suns definitely could it made me wonder what was up with all that title changing because agatha all along does seem like a very fitting title because there are so many ways you can apply that to the show and especially in that nature of like no she's been agatha the agatha you know all along and no matter how many time she tries to trick you into thinking

that you know she's a different person she's true to herself almost through the end it's a fascinatingly orchestrated arc in that sense because so much of the arc is sort of an anti-arch or a wondering about the arc and then too it's like all along the road you know things like that the moment

they announced the third title I was like oh the title is actually Agatha all along so I thought the joke was just they were giving fake titles so we could get to the point that it was Agatha all along so I thought the end of the joke was when the show aired and I was like that was fun and the that it became the through line and the fact that the very last episode was the reveal of

no, no, I did that. You haven't been the killing witches. Like that is the layers to the title, not even tying into Wanda Vision. Like, it's really brilliant. And I saw the Witches Road song performed live at D-23 and all of them came out. So it was the entire cast and

Catherine Hahn singing like the actual ensemble like a Broadway show. And at the time, I just went, wow, this feels impactful and cool. And then it, now, in hindsight, I got to see what what a moment for them to perform a d23 now that i know the impact of what this is yeah uh i got to say i'm really i really think this show is cool of how it is stayed true to what it is and and just have allowed itself to evolve from that i rarely thought about marvel uh when i

was watching this and in fact i rarely bring it up and when we are doing it even they get like wicket in here and it's like that's probably the most marveling thing they did you know i'm like yeah they introduced death but that but death feels so appropriate for what the show is And it's timeless beyond Marvel. Yeah, death actually works outside of Marvel better than in Marvel. Much of this is timeless beyond Marvel. But then to have like, I was saying to specifically have like the Wiccan costume is like the most marvelly things they did in the whole show. Just why I was quick at the end.

But it doesn't even become like a major thing out of it right away. And so I really appreciated how this show stayed true to that because like thinking about where this show sprung off from, Wanda Vision, still very much felt like Marvel like you're cutting the sword the whole time. You know, blip, blah, blah, the vision, you know, I loved it. It's still one of my top three of the Disney Plus shows. Still, you know, I often fluctuated with it. That's my favorite. But then to do the spinoff where they just go full board, you know, the man, like that witchcraft stuff, let's just make it hardcore witchcraft show, mindbendy, psychological.

Let's get dark, you know, like sometimes that violence really hit. I mean, the glass is hitting her and they could, the, the, the, the, the weed. Oh, these killies? Yeah, the back of the ankle there, that was gross. Yeah, I really, I thought that, I really respected, like, what this show evolved into, like, a lot. I thought that was really cool. Yeah, it was well written, well shot, well acted, well designed, great music across the board. A lot of interesting plays with time and reality and history and all sorts of stuff.

Bad respect. Every department showed up and understood the assignment on the... Now, let's see if I can get the Tyler Perry fan base. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's your next time. Oh, down, down. My last thought. Down, Mateo's Root.

This show, and sticking with it, has gone from, like, something I wasn't enjoying to enjoying. But this type of show is exactly how you keep the bubble from bursting, because this is bringing in the people that might not have watched an MCU show and kept the people that watch every MCU show

and proved me wrong. So I really like that, just like I spin a rack of comics, not every comics for everybody, just like anything that gets big enough, you've got to take chances. And I really hope that Marvel doesn't have that, like,

committee of five people that listen to seven channels in YouTube that goes up came like that because this boldness is what makes comic book special what makes the MCU special so more like this not less yeah yeah and so it's so female driven as well and in a way that doesn't feel it doesn't ever feel like

the writers like step out of their way to point their finger at this felt like this is the opposite of the 18 moment in Avengers where it's like look at all these girls that have never been standing together and they made a point to fight together like this felt like authentic and I agree this is really different it's just a story yeah and it happens to involve a bunch of women.

It's the closest to the D.C. in a way where it's like, oh, yeah, this is connected to the MCU. More like this. More bold. Yeah, more bold. More World Wolf by night. More Agatha all along. I'm really, especially on the TV department.

That's the only time you get to do it. Nine next year. All right, guys. Well, I know. It's a lot of TV. Seven shows. Ram, March, right? We got to slow things down.

Well, this is everything they did. In quality. We did. For one year, we slowed things down. This is literally. This is everything they held. Creelight at all! What if we put it out in one year instead of two?

Because it was supposed to be this year and next year's content, but they're like, we unleashed the hounds. Oh my God, they just would like crazy. As long as two-thirds good, people will be happy because by the time a bad thing ends, the next thing's on. It's a smart business move. No one has time to relish in the bad or good, which might be good. Tune in to find out.

Tune in to find out. All right, guys, what do you think? Where would you rank this in the Disney Plus show criteria of the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Thank you, John and Coy. The way you two both spoke on this review in particular, I thought was excellent. Love having your voices here. Leave your voices down in the comments. We'll see you guys soon.

If there's anyone I would want to play this hidden cameras in their home on it, it would be Ian Simon. Yeah, totally. I would love to see all kinds of shenanigans he gets up to. Yeah, 24-hour live stream. 24-hour live stream. Watch how often he's like, clock. fog in the toilet and he says to keep going there with a plunger because he loves to clog

stupid he just can't get it done he can't get undone you look like a real like a wheel a freak take smaller poops I can't really think of anything else Ian Simon would probably be doing in the entire time honestly it sounds like he's could be really busy with the toilet which I mean is much spookier than having an actual haunting very time-consum yeah I mean can imagine having guests over at Ian Simon's place but that's the thing is he never lets guests into the bathroom because like that's the like ghosts sometimes or poltergeist will come with like a horrific smell and he uses that excuse because the toilet's always like you know fuming sometimes i think it's sulfur it's just it's ian simon's toilet

yeah it's just the fact that you eat hot sauce with every meal yeah one day sam and dean winchester are going to show up at your door yep and like hey i'm agent spears this is agent acular That's exactly. And we've got reports here about something. Reports of a gin. And they're going around with their EMT and they're like, whew-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-and it's all due to that bathroom. And, but, you know, sometimes it's misdiagnosis.

And they've taken some rebardia. Yeah, but then you don't disintegrate. No. Because then, like, a big poo monster rises out of the toilet. And it's like dog. Gross. Gross. That's really gross, John.

I don't like that. I mean chocolate shake right now, man. They don't want to make the poo monster. I don't want to finish a chocolate chicken out of it, you know, maybe some peanuts, some almonds. I knew this, I knew setting up illegal cameras in Ian Salmon's home was a terrible idea. It's going to ruin our friendship. All right, and we'll set it up in the next patients. All right, let's do it.