The Reel Rejects - AHSOKA EPISODE 4 Breakdown, Review, & Ending Explained | Star Wars Rebels

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

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Listeners of the Reject Nation, thank you for joining us. Once again, Gregory, myself, and Mr. Michael Tesler, our resident Star Wars expert, are going to talk about season one, episode four of Asoka. Fallen Jedi, got a pretty cool name, lots of vibes in this episode. I wonder what we had or will have or have had to say. Will it be the best episode yet, or will we be pissed? Picking those knits. Roll the bum, let's find out.

Yeah. Has it tuned in next week for you? Somebody pulled her in. Who? Maybe him. Or. Ezra Bridger pulled her in. And so did Kane and Jarris. And so did.

Well, I mean, Ezra already did once. All right. Let's talk about it, guys. All right, John. This definitely ended off in a very intriguing place. And, yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated by how these Star Wars shows move. And I have been pretty well kind of grabbed by this thus far.

In the past couple of episodes, I have been sitting here going, okay, it's very linear, straightforward, action-oriented. I'm ready for something to kick, something to evolve, you know, the next chapter of the story to begin. And that seems evidently what is about to happen both spiritually and physically. And I really do appreciate, it's interesting. I'm excited for what's to come. I really appreciate the fact that they are going for something a bit more brooding, a bit more airy, and a bit more deliberate. I have been sitting here.

It was interesting watching this episode because Ray Stevenson has so much presence all the time when he's on screen and I can always feel the depths that I think they want me to feel from everybody when he is on. So there are times where I find myself, yeah, a little bit

kind of waiting for some real emotional story to kick back up, especially between, say, Asoka and Sabine. And I don't often or always feel the unsaid stuff as much with them

and I'm waiting for that but this episode did certainly kind of grab me again and go okay maybe we're about to get to the point where some real challenges are going to be met and also some real world building is going to happen so yeah I am optimistic I enjoyed this episode

and it certainly kind of I don't want to say got better as it got along because I didn't think it got bad at any point but yeah I'm at a point where I've been kind of ready for a next gear to be shifted into and I feel like this was going to happen. So, yeah.

Pretty solid episode, I would say. Poor moire. Michael? Well, you know, this has so many pieces that have been missing. I think the, I completely agree about, like, Ray Stevenson. That is a character that has, like, dimension. and there's something so fascinating and interesting that you just want to know more

and definitively enhances everybody's performance when he's on screen. I think this episode for the first time, I really was like, this must really be rough to not be a Rebels fan. In that they're dropping a lot. They're doing, I think, the best job that they can, in terms of like trying to handle

just the sheer volume of exposition, but I can only imagine that this is a challenge. And I think the heart of that challenge comes from a very simple fact that you have an amazing actor as Asoka and you have an amazing actor as Sabine, and I think the two of them have zero chemistry together as talent. And it shows and it sucks.

because I want them to and I'm waiting for them to and for a while I thought well maybe this is just the goal of the writing but in reality I just think that relationship has fallen flat

that being said I don't think that the series because of that is a lost cause there is so much that it does right and it's learning from and I'm excited to see where it goes you know I'm particularly excited. I think Asoka as a character and her challenges, I'm hoping that by getting to see her

dynamic with Anakin in the world between worlds, which like, I just can't believe that I just saw that in live action. Like, it's insane. I'm hoping that that will create an opportunity for fans that maybe don't know Asoka to fall in love with Asoka and to really understand why her character is so important not just to the story but to Star Wars itself and what she represents and what she's grown into and become because I really like I know there's always a lot of like on the internet about like well I have two female leads this was actually the first Star Wars content ever where two women with lightsabers had their lightsabers clash which is kind of insane to think that that's just the first time it's happened the

Beck Del Sabre fight. I love it. But, you know, I think Asoka, as we talk about, like, authentic representation and, like, doing a good job and having characters that are meaningful and playing a role, when Asoka first joined the Star Wars universe as Anakin's Padawan, she kind of universally hated. And over time, through writing and through building character, you watch this little girl grow up into like the ultimate badass and you know i think there's a generation of fans

who really identify with her and i'm excited for people that have not necessarily gone to the clone wars journey and the rebels journey to finally have the chance to see the asoka that we fell in love with um so i know that was a lot of thoughts i apologize i'm sorry oh i apologize accepted thank you What did you think, Greg? I think it's... I'm conflicted. I'm conflicted because I like everything that you guys said you liked.

And I'm just... I guess my... I fluctuate so much. I thought that my connection to Sabine and Assoca in particular finally was coming and play last episode. And then here was kind of lost again. because there's so much of this something that happened between them off screen

you know like I think even if you're a rebels fan you know no I've seen I've seen I've seen rebels and I'm like well a lot of us have it off screen and they just they do a lot of this John Wick like dialogue which is cool in a movie but we're on we're watching a television series

like this whole shrouded and mystery type of dialogue stuff like okay a lot of it's just I I need more meat here i need i need more substance here and it's like stoic is not bad i don't think stoic is bad but it can feel a little tall i mean honest where in terms of their dynamic right because there's a lot of really interesting things that are are happening here um i feel like the merrick thing is something that will probably put people up in arms um yeah yeah we'll talk about that yeah we'll talk

about that yeah we'll touch on that uh we'll talk about anakin and all that and yeah i i mean like i i guess i am at a point with this show was before episodes how many are there eight there's eight yeah okay six or eight something like that right um six word trouble because i i feel like four four they it seemed like the conversation with balin and asoka was the thing that they're trying to set up for asoka which is going after her past right and i kind of feel like In terms of writing and doing a story about a character, the title character, Asoka, the emotional depth to her is not really something that's truly been set up in this show. It's like they've had like a line here or there, but in terms of focus, in terms of emphasis, in terms of being an audience member connected to the journey that she's supposed to go on on this show, isolated, not factoring in countless episodes of, in war's and then her appearances and rebels and tales of the jet like all this shit it's

just going off of this show alone and i feel like what they're what they're setting up is that she has guilt uh towards stuff that's happened like she's she's saying i'm not here to talk about the past just trying to solve a problem here all this shit with anakin of her being of her uh leaving him behind because like the last sequence of events with anakin did not go down that well like she did not She left, she was disillusioned by the Jedi Order. And then as Assoca and rebels, she fights Darth Vader, you know, and it comes to the realization of that. And then pull between the world between worlds. There's this whole thing here where I understand why she could probably have a lot of pain in her and have this issues with trust and whatnot.

But that's a lot of me going in there with a lot of canon and a lot of other shit that I'm applying myself. And so when I say I'm at Crossroads here, it's because I'm a Star Wars fan and I know all this information and it's more so how is this being communicated in terms of this medium and this specific story they're trying to tell because right now I do feel it's a bit of a void when it comes to what they are pitching as the heart of the story which is Asoka and Sabine and that right there I just don't feel much for. And then for Asoka's own personal story, I'm like, I don't really feel much for that. I'm excited at the prospect of live action because, you know, Anakin Skywalker adapting to Clone Wars was meant to look like hating Christians. And so it's cool like, oh, shit, we're going to see Asoka and Anakin interacting with each other. That's fucking awesome. Like, no doubt, that's really cool to me. I don't care what crazy.

Will it be able to achieve what you're talking about is the, that's the thing? Yeah, it's because it's like they didn't really set us up or build. I don't feel like they really built to that. Yeah. Whatever it is. I think there's a like. Does you guys go, I'm going? I feel like I was just like tangented.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I think. You go first, Mike. Yeah, sorry. I'm just holding in a lot of things right now. I think there is a, there was a critical mistake that was made. The first episode of this show.

in my opinion, should have taken place during the original apprenticeship with Sabine and Asoka. I think that we should have seen them jiving, having a good time, and then we should have seen that like Obi-Wan and Anakin, that there is a little bit of friction and stuff, and then the Siege of Mandelor, which I'm assuming that where the dot connects here, and where they're hoping that we assume, is that everything that we know about the destruction of Mandelor is when her family was killed.

It's a great way to tie it all in together and then kind of pick it up from there where we've spent a little bit of time with these characters in this dynamic because even though we've seen all of the content, we're still left in the dark in terms of like this dynamic and this relationship. Like they didn't really have anything in rebels. They barely interact. Yeah, exactly. And so if you're like, I've seen Rebel.

I'm like, well, Osoka and Sabine didn't really like talk to you. I think that's hard because you have a character that has so much nuance in her relationships in the form of Asoka and yet she hasn't interacted with any of the other characters that she would have that dynamic with. And I think that that's just kind of it gets to the heart of not just this series issue, but I think kind of, it gets to the heart of not just this series issue. but I think kind of across the board is that it's it almost kind of feels like too little too late like the the need for that comprehensive story that is easy and linear to follow for people and in live action yeah like there was a window for that and that window is closed and now we have this very like confused hodgepott like timeline wise I'm just like constantly confused and I'm I'm theoretically I know my stuff when it comes to Star Wars.

So, you know, I don't know how to rescue that dynamic in that relationship. I feel like this is a lot of cool, like what it's serving in terms of man, I think it's serving a lot of cool lore. Yeah. I think it's a lot of lore building. It's a lot of world expansion. It's a lot of world building and history building and whatnot. But at the end of the day, in terms of its story, I'm like, wow, everything aesthetically.

and tonally i'm like this is everything that should be this should be peak star wars for me you know but i i'm constantly like and it's so it's just so strange i'm not gonna write the show off because it's like there's so much about it i've loved yeah yeah and but then when the time we get to hear i'm like this is this is like the big climax of a lot of these characters converging i think that's why the problem

comes in you got merrick um fighting asoka and then it's like what the there you got shin fighting sabine and and sabine making the choice and i think what happened with me when it when the weirdly when it's hard to lose me in this episode was when they were talking about i know how much azra means to you and stuff and i'm like but this shit this shit this the fuck up this is so good show hasn't done anything to really establish ezra no unless you like i'm like That's kind of weird that you have to really set up. I feel less excited. I think there would be a way to do it and to get the people who have seen everything comprehensively,

as well as the people like me, who have only seen, like, scattered episodes of these shows here or there. I feel like you could have laced a lot of... Through the characters we care about who are on screen, you can care about people who are not on screen. You don't even need to do a flashback to do that. And this episode brought me to a place that I've heard people complain about for the Mandalorian up until this point. and I finally started to feel with that show about season three where it's like I can feel the writing kind of spinning wheels

and not really I admire when people set something up and instead of being like but we're gonna push that out we're just gonna keep hint to I feel like this has learned bad lessons from the JJ Abrams mystery box theory of like I get it there's a bunch of mumbo jumbo but nothing is all that tangible

to make me really care about wanting to see the answer to those mysteries and I think you could solve that problem them without having to mainline like a whole bunch of thousands of hours of other things and I can feel them pulling or saving punches when I'm like, Sabine and Asoka

should already have had like some kind of big old back and forth talk or something like there's so many ways to approach it and I feel like they're going for vibe they're going for cool imagery, they're going for some lore but they're really kind of dawdling in terms of actual storytelling that you might care about and this whole thing

up until this point as of this episode has felt like some extended prologue to me where like I should have seen some kind of team form or some kind of dynamic should have been established. But again, the most solid dynamic on screen is literally Baylin and Shin, you know, and kind of Ellsbeth. And that's all stuff that too, again, from more of the outside, I'm like, ancient witch order, awesome, I am already interested, you know, Jedi who are, you know, sort of in the middle and one has clearly fallen more synth one has clearly fallen more toward the light side fascinating but then they even asoka meeting balin and having that face off was kind of a bummer at the end of it because i was like

oh this is going to be a scene and it was like a half a fight you know which was cool but yeah i just don't think that they're really biting into all this stuff that they've laid out onto the table it's it's kind of interesting that the characters that we assumed were going to be like the real eaten potatoes have turned out to be the, like, broccoli of the show. Yeah, man. You know. And for Hara, like, I don't know a ton about Hara, but I feel like I would be bummed if I did because she's just been, like, in the background driving around this whole time.

Yeah. Not as interesting as I had hoped. Yeah. She's just, like, bickering with people of politics and driving around. Everyone has had, like, an isolated moment or two where, like, that's a great scene. but in terms of their long gestating, like honestly, it's these fallen Jedi characters. They're the best ones.

Yeah. They're the shin and bailin. They're the most dynamic and they're the most compelling. And they both have like all that life and presence even when they're not speaking. Yeah, I love them. But, okay, what's the Merrick theory? See them in the Merrick theory. We got it.

You know, I feel like we've made our point. Yeah, I think we're at crossroad. I feel like we're obviously very negative on our. emotional side here yeah well i think the the merrick listen there was always the very high likelihood that it was nobody um that's why i do think i do think no that was the funny you know it definitely did look like dathamere magic that was coming out like that green but also literally could have just been like a gaseous inquisitor who knows but you know that's star wars for you like I mean, I think about how much time

like the internet spent sleuthing being like, who is Snoke? Turns out he's just Snoke. You know, he's just a clone thing. Like, I made nothing. It's a little bit more. If they don't explain what that is, I think that is bullshit.

Not because it's not Star-Killer, not because it's not Barris, not because it's not Ezra. Why I think it's bullshit is because it is, literally the whole embodiment is an inquisitor. It's an inquisitor with this dual lightsaber. And then even on screen, when he first shows up or it shows up, it's like, oh, it poses it in a way of like, who is this?

Yes. You know, and like, I thought the inquisitors were dead. And everyone on the team that they're focusing on is important. And if they don't explain what that is, then it's bullshit. Chin definitely cared a lot. Like, that much was evident, which gives me a little bit of hope that we'll go back and explore it. Yeah, I think it'll come back. Maybe, like, on the ship while they're flying.

They made a moment out of it. Yeah, exactly. You know, I think there was always kind of the one rumor that I kind of brushed off, but who knows? It could have been during the, yes, anti-Semitic inquisitor. Brett Ratner. But during the temple sequence, when all the inquisitors in rebels, you know, when they're, like, flying around with their little helicopter lightsabers, which was just going to pretend that never happened, because it was ridiculous. But it was theorized that it was one of them, who then was, like, resurrected by the Dathimir witches, which makes sense, like, that... Why would she?

Oh, she needs dark side-centric force-building. Too much. Everyone predicted cooler things and it was a big pot of dust. Listen, if it actually can we check the credits really quick to see

if they finally said who it was playing him? Yeah, they said it. Was it Sam? Peter. No, no, it wasn't Sam Whitmer.

It was a name I've never heard of before. Well, that grinds my gears. Peter Griffin. Inquisitor Griffin. I don't know. It's all right.

I'm disappointed. I don't. care anymore um either way listen we get to see anikin so at a minimum we get that and if that's all we get then that's fun um i do i got it on the app this is my count long magic of technology aligning this wait i'll tell you right now um while we build suspense here it's also interesting that they didn't credit him prior like Like they quite Paul Darnel Okay

What is Paul Darnel Let's look him up Paul Darnel Sorry Paul He's a stock guy So good Who is Paul one hour ago Ooh

Uh huh Uh huh Uh Uh Uh huh As a stunt man who plays And maybe even voices I'm voicing

I don't think he Unless he comes back in his own form to be an actor, too. He's been a red guard before. Sure. All right, yeah. Congratulations, everyone. Well, you know, and he was a cloud of black smoke as a child. This is the life of a Star Wars fan.

Yeah. And I'm not hurt because I signed up for it. I don't. I mean, it's annoying if we don't learn, but I'm not going to be annoyed until... I'm not learning. Until episode 8. Unless if episode eight comes around and we don't know Jack about it, then I'm going to be like, that's annoying.

Yeah. But right now I'm not going to be annoyed. Maybe he'll be in the world between worlds. I'm more like, or four episodes in, I got to care a little bit more for this point. What if all is in the world between one? That's not. I'm not done. I'm done.

Every character we want to see is in the world between worlds. That was a joke for the record. I want, I care. And I'm hoping that next. episode is truly an emotionally core focused episode about Asoka because you know like right now I don't know like I think I thought Sabine wren should have been this the lead of Star Wars rebels personally she was the best character to me and she should have been the lead to me yeah but then her translation for this show I'm like it's a good actress but the writing it's it's not there it's not there it's not there it's not there it's it's not there it's it's It has not been there, and I'm like, your intrigue button is not pushing it for me. And I think the issue is Sabine as a character grew so much during Rebels. And I feel like the Sabine that we got is like right back to square one.

I hated the line about your family. It's the only family. Like, Harrow's right there. Yeah, you literally just shouted for her. Are you kidding? career to see you and like in like she and you would think after like the the relationship that with all this rebels connection that they rely on that with uh the connection that she had with canaan sabine that she'd want to know jason a little bit you know it's supposed like it's just

like fucking that that shit like that is just i don't know they they i think they're at a I think the show is at a crossroads because of the exact problem of, well, I just want to tell my sequel to Rebels, but a lot of people haven't seen Rebels, so I got to tell something that can still be accessible. So I got to kind of write things down the middle so I don't left people feeling left out, but then now I'm missing nuance because I can't go to out. And now we're in the world of between worlds and now people who haven't seen rebels have no idea what hell's going on here you could do this in a way that compels those people to go watch and i think

we could we would care about as her looking for esra if we cared more about it doesn't even matter if we know eser or not yeah what matters is is how much it would mean like when they're having that line of like we know like you can't just tell me how much she ezra means i'm like you got to have a scene where i fucking feel that shit yeah and i feel nothing when you say that because right And now it just feels like action guy has family needs to go get that. And honestly, the little hologram that they showed of Ezra made me kind of not want to see Ezra. It's like this guy's a little punk. Yeah.

Whatever. We still haven't seen Thron. I'm excited for Thron. Honestly, I think what I'm concerned about is that. They're going to save them for season two. But like what if the writing doesn't. I think we're going to get a lot of rich philosophical. I hope so.

Cool bars from Thron. I'll take it. That's what we're going to get. Guys, what did you think about this episode? I like the action. I like the visuals. I like the tone. But yeah, we're looking at three very conflicted fans right now.

Haven't ridden it off. Haven't made a decision on the show yet. Still got four months ago. It has time. Still rooting for us. Let's see what happens. Leave your thoughts down below. And we'll talk again soon.

Thanks for being here. I don't know.