The Reel Rejects - AHSOKA EPISODES 1 & 2 Breakdown, Review, & Ending Explained | Star Wars Rebels

Episode Date: August 24, 2023

SABINE WREN, HERA SYNDULLA, HUYANG, & AHSOKA TANO RETURN! Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs! Star Wars series Ahsoka Ep 1 Reaction, Recap, Breakdown, Easter Eggs, Ending Explained, & Spoiler Review which in many ways plays as Star Wars Rebels Season 5, while of course following the aftermath of The Mandalorian Season 3, The Book Of Boba Fett, & The Clone Wars featuring an appearance from Ezra Bridger, Ryder (Clancy Brown), Loth Cats, Morgan Elsbeth (Witch Of Dathomir Reveal) giving Darth Maul connections, introducing Ray Stevenson Baylan Skoll, Shin Hati, Jedi, & MORE as we return to Lothal, have light saber fight scenes, hint at the return of Grand Admiral Thrawn. Here we lay down our predictions & theories for the future of the Star Wars Cinematic Universe especially as it pertains to the Dave Filoni film. The series stars Rosario Dawson (Ahsoka Tano), Natasha Liu Bordizzo (Sabine Wren), Lars Mikkelsen (Grand Admiral Thrawn), Mary Elizabeth Winstead (Hera Syndulla), Chopper, Hayden Christensen (Anakin Skywalker Darth Vader), David Tennant (Doctor Who), Temuero Morrison (Captain Rex), Eman Esfandi (Ezra Bridger), & MORE! Special shout out the score / soundtrack by Kevin Kiner! #Ahsoka #StarWars #Disney #DisneyPlus #StarWarsRebels #Rebels #TheCloneWars #CloneWars #StarWarsTheCloneWars #TheMandalorian #SabineWren #hera #EzraBridger Become A Super Sexy Reject For Full-Length T.V. & Movie Reactions! https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yo, listeners of the Reject Nation, we are going to do episode one and episode two of Asoka. So what we're going to do is watch episode one and then we're going to talk about it. Then we're going to watch episode two and then talk about it. Instead of just combining it into one video, it wouldn't make sense based off the way our conversation went. Yeah, but we can make one podcast. We'll make it one long podcast because that's the point. All right, let's do it. Two episodes, one podcast.

Let go. Woof. Wow. And then they killed off Sabine Wren. She did not return somehow. Oh. Very present. Yeah.

Well done, Dana E. Globerman. Kevin Kiner. He did rebels. Sure did. Wowie. That makes a lot of sense. Oh, it's the Pergill. So the first time in a long time that Star Wars visual effects in television doesn't feel like it's just on a volume.

That's exactly it. No, this felt I was, I was immersed. Yeah. Like they probably did do a lot of volume, but they sold it really well. Oh, yeah. With physical elements. Yeah, I genuinely loved that. I was in love with that.

It was, he played writer, right? Yeah. Okay. that's so cool if you got okay for you guys who don't know clancy brown played writer in star wars rebels and to see him get to actually as everyone else has been recast right everyone yeah everyone ever like tened uh as who yang and chopper and chopper but to see him it popped back up and after he already was in mandolarian as as uh it was in that bill burr episode as one of the villains oh yeah yeah yeah and uh i think that was the rick family ua

episode of season one wow it was a great episode yeah uh and um yeah he's one of the most prolific voice actors out there he's just a great like real life actor too so it's so cool to see him actually yeah that translated so well uh and there's just so many beautiful little touches the time spent on lethal and just seeing that come to life i mean it really was they captured it perfectly yeah i loved how meditative this was and and how like it was emotional yet cold you know and and i think they're going to be arcing into something that does feel either more hopeful or more heroin like you really don't know which direction it's it's supposed to be setting up some stuff right

for whatever that feloni crossover the feloniverse the feloniverse which is what this is and this is the first time feloni got to actually helm the pilot like literally setting the stage for everything that's to come and while i thought that that episode of Mandalorian season two, which reintroduced Assoca, it, that felt like the backdoor pilot for this in every way, considering that you got Elizabeth that you're picking up with right away, the confirmation that she's a witch of Dathamere, who, if you guys like play Jedi Fallen Order or, you know, obviously clone wars, you'd be familiar with her. It's the planet where Darth Mall is from. Yeah. And then, and Savage. Savage Ventress.

Oppress? No, Savage. Oh, wait, no, wait. Savage Oppressed. Savage oppressed. And Ventress. And Ventress. yeah yeah oh savage yeah i got my negative names savage the ill-fated brother the brother of ball yeah um yeah they really a sage ventures yeah that's where i got confused yeah massage yeah it's a lot of names out there there are a couple names in star wars um but i loved it man

uh i thought this was the right tone and and this is what uh i hoped it would be i do wonder if some people might find it boring though you know if they're I think there can be a bit of a distance because it's weird. I mean, I'm excited to hear what you think because he doesn't care what I think.

I know. I think it'll be really easy for us to get wrapped up in like rebels talking all that stuff. So whereas if a lot of people who didn't see rebels, I wonder if they'll be felt they'll be left at a distance, you know?

But what did you think so far, Michael? Well, interestingly enough, I feel like these first two episodes are likely going to be the most of the feeding that, like, the love of rebels and, and I think some of the later episodes, particularly, I mean, when Osoka, even when her master was referenced, the way her face changed, like, Anakin's Force Ghost is around at this point. Right. Have they talked? Have they had that conversation yet? I mean, I think there's going to be a lot of unpacking there. And for me, like, having just finished the Thrawn books and the comics, there is something that, like, Rebels fans are, I don't think, even prepared for unless they've read the books.

And admittedly, even having read the books, I don't think I'm prepared for what they have cooking up here. But in terms of pace, I'm glad this was a slow burn. I mean, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. It felt genuinely cinematic, which is something that Star Wars television, there was some episodes of the Mandalorian that knocked that out of the park and other episodes where I'm like, what is Lizzo doing here? Certainly not forcing anybody out of their comfort zone. Yeah. Tell you that much. Yeah.

But I loved it. And honestly, I hate that we're even talking right now because I want to watch the next episode. I know. no people are just like get to the next one they release two for a reason yeah yeah yeah like all your that's why I'm trying not to become a prognosticator for what's going to come next

because I'm like what's the point we're going to watch a second episode then we prognosticate a good ass vocab word damn that's good I said T word yeah yeah no I mean I looked it up beforehand so I could use it in this video just every video I've such learned one new word I can look up a video for every video

it'd be like just implemented somehow Hey, that's a good technique. You'll have a ton of new words. You'll have at least 365 new words at the end of the year. No, I mean, this was really thrilling. Like having only a mild amount of familiarity with what Rebels is, tone-wise and ensemble-wise and stuff. Like, this gave me the joys of both, how do I put it? This felt like the sort of fun adventure that you get from a Mandalorian, but with, like, the focus that a lot of people

complain is missing from that, and I feel like this also, everybody points to Andor is like the second coming of Star Wars in a lot of ways. It certainly earns that argument. But I thought this did nicely to pull the kind of quiet character nuance from Andor and then put it in something that still feels like it's going to be propulsive and about adventure, but also contained within just a lot of character relationships and growth and frictions and history over time. And Yeah, not having all of that context. I could feel it all through the performances. And I think it was really smart for them to give you so many moments and scenes

to introduce each character, to put them in their element, to show them breaking things down or being rebellious or whatever it is, kind of drawing the spirits. Like, everybody is very clear at the moment to me, even though we haven't spent time with, like, the classic Rebels Ensemble altogether much yet. Yeah, this had a constant sense. of momentum and tension,

the Sith characters or the, you know, in between Jedi, Sith, whatever these new Baylon and Co. are going to be. Their lightsabers are orange. Yeah. So there's something in between. Yeah. What does it mean? It is, I'll tell you what it means.

This is the connective tissue between all of it. And I feel an orange is the color. An orange is the color of connective tissue. Have you ever cut some? open before no uh come up uh i it's all orange it is it's disgusting um i am particularly eager and excited to see how like everything that we've seen so far in just one episode is what i think we were all praying for when the force awakens came out we wanted that

questionable what happens when the Jedi order is no more is there something in between we wanted to be able to tap into the the mystical nature of the force have that connective tissue to the precles to the original trilogy but also set up something big and exciting and the most important part and what I think they failed at in the sequel trilogy is something original something different and like Obi-1 too I feel like you have that hope of like you know here is What do you do in the no man's land between, you know, one establishment in another, one order in another? And we didn't really rise quite to that occasion. No, I agree.

Yeah. There's a nice mystery and suspense to this. And there's, I thought it was really smart. I think it's really, really smart to have this established dynamic between Asoka and Sabine. That way you can give a character arc, especially for a variety of factors. Yeah. One being that when Assoca was reintroduced in live action with Mandalorian and her little appearance in Book of Boba Fett, that portrayal is someone who's just so wise and sage and she's got everything under control. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

A little too perfect. Exactly. Which is great for like an appearance, a guest star appearance. But if she's going to be the lead, you need to throw her into something where they can be an emotional obstacle, a heart. hurdle for her to overcome and for it to be something where that is mirroring her past trajectory of someone who was stubborn and difficult to deal with and then her even acknowledging like hey i abandoned stuff you know i i left i got disillusioned by the jedi order i left that behind i mean there's a lot of context there that i love how they're smart in the way they do it because there's such a

storyline in the clone wars of why she left the jedi order that when you watch it it's it's not like She just left the Jedi Order. It was so, it is the whole thing like being framed and all this stuff. I mean, the Jedi Order, the Jedi Order left her. Yeah, exactly. There's this whole thing to it. So it's not just she left the Jedi Order, but they have to make a brief because they don't have time to dive into all that shit, right? The level of responsibility, though, that must be on her shoulders, I mean, even if you don't watch all the Clone Wars, to watch the final two seasons and particularly how they connect Asoka's final arc there.

Yeah. I mean, she's living with a heavy burden. Right. And a lot of this is about also not repeating the sins of the, not repeating the mistakes from the past that she's trying to do. So they've established a good arc for her to go down. And then, of course, for Sabine as well. And I did, yeah, because she's a really complex character, too. I thought she should have been the leader for us. I mean, well, yeah, she should have been.

And I think towards the end she was getting there. but you have to consider the fact that like she created a weapon that played a big role in the destruction of her people like she has not had an easy go of it based upon where we are in the timeline Mandelor is gone which means her family's been vaporized

exactly like and I don't even think that's probably the other thing is if she became Assoca's apprentice she would have been pretty old at the time to become an apprentice and historically speaking that doesn't always work out the way you want it to all the rules are thrown out the window at this point man well no I don't I don't disagree with that but it comes with its own set of challenges but either way

there's only one real way to figure out what happens next yeah and that's to like and subscribe more so than watching the next episode like and subscribe yeah click the notification though yeah all righty guys well I I thought this was excellent, and I hope that people latch on to the show, especially if you're not familiar with. I don't feel, I don't get the impression you need to. I think it's easy to feel lost. Like, I can imagine there will still be that camp. That's like.

But I think that's good. Like, it causes you to, force you to pay attention. Yeah. It does, I think, increase the motivation probably for then people. If they do latch onto this to go check out the extended media, because then they will have instead of feeling overwhelmed by like, there's so many. and so many characters, I have like a point of reference now to go and look for in those pieces. But they don't craft the

dialogue in a way that's like wink, you know? Well, no. It still sounds very lived in and this is the exchange that they would have with each other. It's not just Exposition City. It's not just Easter Egg City either. Well, and somebody pointed out that in the advertising, they haven't leaned at all on any of the animated

footage. So they're not telling, they're not queuing the audience. Like, you've got to go familiarize yourself with that. Otherwise, you're not going to get this at all. But it doesn't Like, again, like from outside a little bit. Except that giant mural. Well, sure. There are definitely going to be things that go over your head.

But those things don't feel like you're being left out of the club or like, you're lesser for not knowing. But if you've watched other live action Star Wars, at this point, you know a majority of the people on that mural. Yeah. You know, with the exception of Canaan and Ezra? You don't think Force Ghosts, Kane will show it? No. How would he have learned to become a Force Ghost? What do you mean?

You have to learn to become a Force. That's not how the Force works. You could throw it out the window at this point. Quigon had to... He wasn't able to get like a physical form at first. He could have learned. He could have learned. It's been a few years. He could have mumbo-jumbo into a ghost.

It's been a few years. Or he's in the wolf, right? He is in a wolf. He's in the wolf. That I believe. Mostly because Dave Filoni has a thing for wolves. He's got one of those wolf t-shirts. The wolf just shows up and just like, I'm doom.

I'm doom. Man, I remember just being on the internet trying to figure out what the hell was going on with those wolves when I was watching rebels hope it just saves the day again all right let's watch second episode let's do it let's do it all right thanks guys for being here and uh yeah

let's let's go to it episode two I really love the look of this show even the way the hologram had that kind of like ripple effect happening yeah it's like it's actual

particulate kind of percolating it Seth green robot chicken makes sense animation. I don't think it's perfect. Pick those knits. Oh yeah, you know, I'll be picking those nits. Got to get every part of the Star Wars market. Take it away, John. Ah, this was quite enjoyable. I have been very much enjoying the, it makes sense as to why they put these two episodes out in tandem. It does feel like, yeah, this is the act, the first act of the journey.

We're culminating everything. We've set all the pieces, but it just maintained at least through these two episodes, through two different directors and whatnot. It just has maintained this very assured, confident, steadiness of hand. And yeah, I really enjoy the space that they communicate all this stuff with. They give everything, it's time, and you're able to kind of get pulled into, yeah, that there is something like melancholy at the core, and there's like a pall hanging over our main rebels crew, and then you also have this sort of, like, very at ease, dark presence, especially with Balin, what's his name?

bones or balin hell something skull skull there you go balin skull there you know uh i don't end out just go with the first name yes balin yeah um yeah i don't know like it still feels like this momentous kind of neck and neck um you know hunt cat and mouse almost um but also just whilst taking its time like i think that's just a testament to how well this has been kind of paced and conceived is that it's never feels rushed but it also feels like it's fully able to spread out and take its time without indulging too heavily in that. Yeah.

Mikhail. This is the beginning of something that I am ready for. It's the first time in like Star Wars content since I was a kid that I genuinely am like, I have no idea and yet I have so many ideas at the same time and it's gotten my imagination going in the most marvelous and wonderful of ways

I think it's brilliant to take this adventure to a different galaxy I think it's brilliant to have antagonists like Baylon who represent a new type of nuanced villain and I think that this entire series, everything we know about Thrawn is he is a very interesting, nuanced

villain in that their intentions and their actions and where our characters fit into this narrative, we're about to experience, like, for the first time, not just like, oh, good guy, good guy, bad guy, bad guy. I think we're about to see something genuinely gray in nature. And I say that with like fear and hesitation because every time we thought we were going to get that, they always go back to what's comfortable. I think this setup is great. I am glad that we are going to leave behind the very kind of muddled storytelling that is the new republic and all of that. I feel like they did a nice little taste that gave us what we needed and now we're going somewhere completely new. I think what's interesting is there's a couple of things.

connective threads that I'm really excited to pull on in the next episode. I'm really interested to see who is that inquisitor. You know, at the end of the empire, particularly as the last of the Jedi were really kind of officially wiped out. It was kind of alluded to that Palpatine removed the Inquisitors. But you also have all these examples of children who are force-sensitive of being kidnapped. I wonder if some of the characters referenced in animated form, I'm just so curious who that Inquisitor is. And I feel like it has to be somebody based upon the way

in which they've built him up, but also what an interesting alliance. And I think that also kind of sets up an interesting who are the other characters that might come out of the woodworks. I didn't think it at the beginning of this and with all the materials that came out but part of me really wonder is like is there going to be a connection to like Calcastis and that storyline

and in a way if we were to move and have a whole separate narrative that exists in another galaxy that can do its own thing without undermining what happens in the sequel trilogy and without trying to like backtrack on what Disney did you know

and I kind of love that that's a good place for all the great characters that we love that we wish and probably should have been a big part of the sequel trilogy now have the opportunity to have their own story in a new galaxy where it's a complete, clean, narrative, fresh start.

I think this is the beginning of something much bigger for Star Wars. I still feel like they were building to the development of the First Order, though, via the Mandalorian and all that. Well, and I think that that will be part of it, but the threat that we have looming here strikes me as much scarier

than Palpit. and the new order and all that sort of you know um and like not to get too deep into to canon and you know this that and the other thing but like thron's biggest fear and the reason that he joined the empire was to recruit an ally that could help the chis ascendancy fight an enemy that is beyond anything that we can comprehend yeah so it seems like like what he's forming here are not necessarily pawns or henchmen it seems like he's forming alliances he's got a witch on his hands he's got jetties on his hands he got an inquisitor on his hands which is why i think our big reveal is going to be that ezra this jedi that we've been

looking forward to meeting in live action might be actually part of the team and and i think that maybe isoka and company might find themselves joining that alliance which represents something so unique and interesting to Star Wars where now they're not just kind of defending their own isolated interest within the galaxy, but together they're defending the galaxy. I don't know. I feel like I think that might be too big of a flip to do. You know, like at the end of the day, while Thrawn always has been, Throne's one of those characters

so I see people can defend going, he's not exactly a villain. I'm like, well, you know, he could have a lot of good intentions, but at the end of the day, the guy's a villain. Like, he isn't feeling at the end of the day. But he, there's a... That's a pretty fucked up stuff. No, he has. But I would argue, it was justified.

Well, I mean, all right. So, you guys have seen Oppenheimer. Yeah, let's go that route. No, no, I'm serious. Let's go that route. I mean, a lot of the decisions that Thrawn makes and that he's done is because he understands that his people are facing extinction. Throughout rebels, for instance, when, when he,

and hera really went face to face his respect and admiration for her culture and preserving and protecting that history that's not a villain attitude that's somebody that understands that he needs to do what he needs to do in order to save his people but he doesn't want to erase other cultures and history like he he never ran well with the other imperials for a reason and like we even saw that a little bit in the mandolarian as they're like well they're on it like there are some that admire him and love him, but he's a complex blue fella. I

will give all those complexities at the end of the day he always aligned with the empire. Because the empire was the only force in the galaxy strong enough to stop an impending threat. You can justify however you want. At the end of the day, he still worked with the empire. Oh, we worked with the Soviets during World War II, Greg.

It's not the same thing. Yeah, but we hit a lot of stuff from them and we side-eyed them every step of the way. And then we hired the Nazis to help build space Spaceships because our moral principles are fluid. No, it's... I hope that as Star Wars fans that we are given those sorts of interesting dilemmas of characters

because it is really, really frustrating when somebody comes and they've got horns on their heads and they've got red and black faces and they're terrifying looking with their yellow eyes. They're real angry. I'd say it's the same way of how you can understand the motives of Thanos, But at the end of the day, the guy is a villain.

Nah, dude, Thanos is right. I mean, Thanos is, I'm not going to defend Thanos in that. I'm going to defend a purple guy. Thron, if I'm remembering correctly, was not for the Death Star. He had some other, like, but the last time we saw it. Let's look at the last time we saw Theron. In order to get Ezra, he just started annihilating people on Lethal in order just to make a point to lure out, like just innocent civilians. I mean, is America a good country?

What are you making about that? I'm talking about the wrong. I'm talking about Agent Orange. I mean, like, but that's like, the thing is, historically speaking, I'm not saying he's a good guy, but I'm saying that in his mind, his ends justify the means. What's better sacrificing the few for the many? They do. You know, it's the trolley problem.

I think he's on a mission. I think the scary part is when someone can see that he is, when when we, when we're go he's actually a not I think we have to you there is a line that has to be drawn when you can see that someone at the end that they does skew towards the villainy yeah and I think if you lose

sight of that line that's where it can endangers I think the audience needing to reconcile that isn't I think it's a more interesting debate challenge yeah oh that's a much more like what happens when we get there and then it's like oh man if our characters don't like grin and bear it and deal with

the fact that these guys are trying to protect the galaxy. Yeah. Well, I think like, no, I mean, even with Ron that there's something that separates him is his care. He does unlike a Vader or something who kind of can disregard life, he can, he has a, there's a preciousness

he can hold to history and life. So he does separate and stand out from them, which I do think makes him a very compelling person. I could see how he could actually form an alliance because he is someone who could look at the bigger picture at the end of the day and not And hopefully they don't just turn him into, I want to dominate everything.

And that was never his motive. No. And in reading the books, like, he has some really, like, meaningful relationships and cares for people, including Anakin Skywalker. Yeah. So, I don't know. Speaking of Skywalker's, I'm really interested to see if we will see a Chis Skywalker, which is like a force sensitive chis youth that is able to navigate hyperspace lanes that are in the unknown regions wow you got that all from this one episode no I had I had nothing but time in the woods this summer

to read all thron content and throntent yeah throntent yeah well we'll see what happens either way this is different and i'm real jazzed about something different i'm jazzed about it too i do think from a storytelling standpoint though that i do i do feel like this show can might have a challenge where it can keep too much of an emotional distance with the way their portrayals go down because there is a lot of stoism stoicism Steussum, stuism, stoozism, stoozism, stoozism. Does that mean, that is something that's pride. It's good, good.

They've taken a lot of the, it is interesting seeing the characters they've brought over from the animated mediums that they have adapted them into this aged up, matured interpretation, but. a little bit, I wouldn't say void, but have dialed back a lot of more of the animated personality. I would say that for everyone here, Sabine, Hara, and especially Asoka. And that was something that stood out to me already with Asoka's appearance in Mandalorian. And it especially stands out to me here is, at the end of the day, we have to connect to these characters on an emotional way in order to stay on board for the journey like I love the mood

I love the aura I love the menace I love this I love all of that I actually really do love all of that my concern is if it just stays that way for so long that there can be a lack of a pulsating feel and a drive

that you kind of need to have that you know what I mean that thrust into like oh my pulse is racing as opposed to observation Because right now there is a bit of a distance and a detachment, you know. So a question for you then. I'm not on exactly on the same throng pages.

That's fine. A query, my good man. But a query about Assova as a character and what it would take to create that emotional. Because I agree. Jokes? At the moment, there's, they should be good. There is not a lot of chemistry at the moment. And I hope that changes.

I think with anyone. I hope it's a choice at the least. deliberate choice and that all of a sudden we have like an amazing pair part of me wonders and i mean there's been rumors about it of asoka flashbacks with hayden christensen um to her as a paduan and i had this dream okay i had this dream that they didn't cast uh rosario dawson for the younger version they brought ashley exteam back exactly that'll make sense because i feel like to be able to give people that may have never seen the animated young happy version of Asoka that it would be good to tap into a little bit of that magic and also just create

that narrative thread um well like do you think that would be enough to i think we're going to need some flashback that explains exactly why her demeanor is so such an antithesis to where we last left off with her because when we last saw her in rebels that was when Ezra pulled her out of that fight with Vader so she dealt with that revelation and then she went her separate ways where did she just go back to the temple ruins is that where she went in the world between worlds uh no she went yeah she went right back to the temple ruins but then she went back she found them all and then she helped them with all their stuff that they were doing um okay is there like a whole gap there that I

because I'm just going off of what happens in the finale of Yeah, yeah. She disappeared, went off, was doing some adventures while the... And that's the part of the gap that I think we need to fill in. To fill in to understand why she's morphed so much. And if you buy the amazing Asoka book for 1995... Is that canon? I'm trying to remember if they touch on...

I don't think they get that far. Some of these books and stuff are like canon and not canon. The Asoka book is canon, but I don't think it goes on that long in her narrative. There is clearly a gap that needs to be filled. But also, like, losing several years of your life after finding out that your former master killed a bunch of kids. I mean, it was that he was the big threat to the empire.

I'll right underneath the emperor. It probably set her back a little bit. Yeah, and I think that's part of the... I think we have to factor that into it. At the same time, yeah, there is that... Like, you brought up the chemistry question. and I do think that like every individual performer is so good and I do think you have a great point with exploring the gray which is what I'm saying likewise I've been saying I want this the these live action shows to do more and I feel like that's why we started off with Dalen and do you know her name or oh the other one I don't think she has a name yet but she will the apprentice the apprentice I think that's why we started off with her but them because they are

I know Grey Jedi is something that pisses off the Star Wars. Yeah it does but they do seem to exist in a chaotic neutral place yeah they do seem to be the ground I think there's an appreciation for the tradition and for the force

but historically speaking you know canonically there's been plenty of Jedi that have veered off that path and that have done their own things you know i mean i feel like jetti survivor did such a great job exploring that theme um but you know it's i think their chemistry is great though they're mad like for two very

serious people that are like murdering people like they're a great little pair yeah i don't know you mean like balin and yeah it definitely is more organic than assoca and sabine in in ways i feel like that whole crew like morgan elizabeth and and the group of them have even though you haven't been spending much intimate time there is something that feels like a more complete unit and I do like the mirroring of like oh we have sort of remnants of so many different uh casts of people and different specialized you know abilities and things like that and that you know plays off of what the you know rebels crew is also um but yeah they just they are all organized and they're going after their goal it almost feels like they have the plot momentum and our main characters are all catching up to that

and sort of coming back together as a unit. Yeah. But if you haven't seen it, it doesn't feel deserved or, at least I imagine that's what it. Like, at least I know the magic. Like, when I see Harrison Dula, like, my heart like flutters a little bit because this is, like, a character that I've invested a lot of time in. If you're brand new to this, there's no, I don't know, there's, it is, I agree with you, Greg. It is missing chemistry and a little bit of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, it is. magic and dare i say maybe some comic relief um in the form of of a character like jarger

binks got to get them back that would fix it got to get them back although you know who would actually be a really great addition to this that i don't think they'll add but um i feel like zeb is a great fine line between somebody that's funny if i yeah if i wanted to simplify it i would say that there is a weird lack of excitement like i'm excited for what's to come There's a lot I'm looking forward to. But when we get to action scenes, I don't find them. I think they're cool to look at, but I don't find the action particularly exciting. I think you need one character who is kind of into this and is not just doing it out of burden and purpose.

Like somebody who is a bit more of like a swashbuckler or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I completely agree with that. And maybe they'll pick one up along the way. I think when Zeb comes Because Zeb has to come into the show I don't know

That's expensive Ball That's why they just threw them in Mandalorians I think I think You get this one cameo man It would It would be amazing But if you're going to do that

That at that point Do it like get the ghost Get the crew Like you know But I don't think they're going that direction I think that Assoca and Sabine Are going to this galaxy

alone. Yeah. Like, don't get me wrong. Like, I, like, Rebels is a real hit or miss show for me, actually. I'm going to be honest. Yeah, yeah. It really is. Like, I thought, I think the show is remarkably repetitive a lot of the time. And then, and then when it's great, it's so great. You know, like, that's, that's one. So I'm not, by any means, this guy is like, oh, I just wanted to be season five of Rebel. That's not at all my, my, my taste. Because even, I would say, even with season four, a lot of times, because that show has a certain pattern and a certain repetition and then when it decides to really just propel forward and do some different stuff I'm like man this shows it firing on all cylinders um and I always thought rebels was at its

best when it was taking itself the most serious as well so I'm my no means here going I wanted to be like the quirky fun animation but there is something here that right now I'm like I I still feel kept at a distance right now as much as I'm loving the observation piece and I thought the first episode was more transported than the second one. Sure. I wonder if that's a Dave Filoni

because if you notice most of the stuff that he's done in terms of the live action where he's been in the director's chair or the writers in the writer's room.

They're very relatively serious episodes. Not the gunsling. Except for the gunsling. But I can imagine that he's kind of living in this interesting shadow of like, yeah,

he's the cartoon guy and now he's trying to be something more serious. I wonder if that's a hard thread for him is he's making that transition professionally. Yeah, either way, but he's doing an extraordinary job.

I think visually this is a really compelling piece, and I do agree that oh, this is actually exciting to see that they're building it's something where I'm not like Okay, so we're just filling the gap to the first order. Yeah, yeah, we have a foregone conclusion and we're just doing stuff in between. That's why I think it is smart to have because I don't know the history

all that well, but yeah, like something discovery of force and everything divided up and that's why we got like hyperspace lanes and shit like that and pergo i like it's all like fragmented in my mind yeah of how it all goes so to i make to have this this this unexplored region where you could have like this other story take place it's not it's not a multi-vers it's just yeah it's just a different galaxy just yeah a whole other region when no no please john i thought this did a nice job to end off on a note that suggests that those missing elements of chemistry and camaraderie might be just around the corner yeah

or at least some kind of like engaging character friction because they're setting off on the journey and they have the calls her Padawan. Yeah. Well, they have Hu Yang here to help balance us. Which is a great character, but not the funniest character in the world. You know.

Get some of that David Tennant wit. I mean, it's great. Yeah, well, we'll see. There's a lot of characters that I want to see in live action. Name them all. You want me to name all of them? Alphabetical order. Yeah.

But actually, actually, Honda would be great. He was a perfect addition to this. He wasn't involved in the finale. It's a pirate. No, that's exactly the kind of character that we need. Yeah. That's it. And Mall.

Bring it back again. No, he's dead now, right? More spider legs. At this point? Yeah, yeah. He died in rebels. Yeah, he's dead. He did.

Sometimes the timelines do confuse me. I want someone to put together the most ultimate watch. The ultimate chronology. like put it all in order from Clone Wars to New Hope to the prequels and like interspice for them Bad Bad Bad Dix. So

Inquisitor theory Okay, hear me out. Is there a Quinn Inquisitor who survived? I mean theoretically Like there's several inquisitors that were never fully identified. I don't know and I don't think it's any of the ones that we've met thus far.

Although, you know, it would be really interesting to see. Oh gosh. Barris. Although that didn't look like a bearerous. Remind me a bearerous. Baris is the one that played a role in framing. Oh, the one who, yeah, she's the one who straight up, straight up framed it's. She's the one who completely framed.

She was mildly. Oh, yes, yes, they were friends and then, yeah, yeah, yeah. I always felt like that was an interesting narrative storyline that would have been nice to see. What inquisitor's named Barris? Oh, yeah, yeah. But it was, it was heavily implied that she became an inquisition. And we never saw her. Really?

I guess I don't recall that. And if I'm completely wrong, feel free to rip me apart in the comment section. But the other character... It would thematically tie it in because that's what led to her... Rejecting the Jedi Order. Yeah.

We should go and look at that person again and see if that's even a remote possibility, that inquisitor. Is that a thing that we can do? We can rewind. You got John. That's... it could be it does look feminine it does it does look a wee bit feminine um

and it would also kind of explain the this and i'm definitely felt like they've met before i'm used to inquisitors vocalizing too yeah well it would make sense not to do that if it's somebody that is so yeah it's this one felt like very very quiet also who like a Yoko, like, wrecked every other inquisitor effortlessly. It would make sense that this would be a more challenging duel for her if it was Barris. I would be super jazz, connective tissue. Or it could be our favorite little wookie Jedi. I mess with you.

Actually, no, the Barris theory would line up because when she revealed herself to doing it, she thought like the Jedi went down, she thought she was putting an exposure on the dark path to the Jedi went down. So it would make sense that she would want to become a Jedi hunter. But I don't think she necessarily wanted to become a Jedi hunter

as much as she was forced into it. This character is no longer an inquisitor. They, I think, right, right, right. They're not still like... But it would make sense, like, if Baylon represents this notion of the Jedi, like you don't have to be SIF, you don't have

to completely be consumed by hate. However, to be weak to not take the offensive to fall into the plight of the Jedi and their very narrow-minded philosophy, that puts the whole galaxy at risk. Yeah. Baylon wants power, not for the sake of power, but for the sake to protect what he loves, which is what Anakin wanted to. But Anakin fell to the dark side in that process. I think there's something really interesting going on here. And I think Asoka, on a level, philosophically, probably aligns closer with Baylon than one would expect at that first glance. Because her same feelings about the Jedi and their lack of action, their lack of... I mean, even we saw it in the very last season of Clone Wars when she pushed for them to go to Mandelor to protect people.

Why shouldn't the Jedi do their job of being the defenders and protectors in the galaxy? Well, I think the debate, there's a debate around is Asoka, a Jedi or not, right? Like, that's, that is such a question, Mark. But I think this show is intentionally going, we can define what a Jedi is. Like, I think we can land in a scenario where, oh, my God, Sabine, where Sabine can be a Jedi and then not be using the force somehow. I think there's a scenario where they can land in that identification. You have these characters like Baylon took on an apprentice, but Baylon does not consider himself a Jedi,

yet he's got himself an apprentice who is trained in the Jedi ways. And then Asoka herself rejected the Jedi order. And yet, you know, everywhere she goes, she's like, that's a Jedi, but she says she's not a Jedi. Like this is one of the words she said to like, to even Vader, like I'm no Jedi, right? like she does she herself doesn't call so i think maybe also why isn't she with luke like like she she can't be with luke because luke's view of what the jedi order should become

yeah is what the jedi order was and that's because of poor writing it became a self-fulfilling prophecy and it ended up the same exact thing happened all over again but that's why i think uh her arc asoka's will be that clarity on what you know the audience fights about I think yeah I hope anyway

that what is transpiring here thematically as Star Wars gets itself back on course will connect

with the Ray film that's coming out of what happens post of the there's another galaxy the Ray Charles movie

yeah the Ray Charles movie all right well I'm I'm done talking I've I've

I've theorized enough for today. We've all have, especially John. Won't stop. Yeah, get John. Got so many theories based on the extended novel. We've got stuff, guys. It's going to be crazy. Close us out, John.

Guys, what did you think of this episode? Leave your nitpicks. Why do you think this is the worst thing Star Wars has done yet? Or inversely, why is this the best thing Star Wars has ever produced? Leave it below, and we'll catch you for episode three next week. Is it Barris?

I want to know what the audience thinks. Is it Barrett? A new question. Forget all that. Is it bear it John? What if it's... What if it's Ezra? Oh.

Would it make any sense, but I'll go. Not even slightly. But stature-wise? Yeah. I see it. Yeah, stature-wise, I see it. What if that's Zeb? All right?

Stats become all daunt. Pick your favorite fan theory and leave it below. And maybe... Is it a fan theory? You're your conspiracy theory at this point. Your fan conspiracy theories. Pick your favorite and let Lucasfilm know that that's what you demand from the reveal and the finale coming up. Much love, and we'll see you next time.

Force be with you and all that good stuff. I love you, I know. Peace out. Thanks for the long talk. Help me avoid editing. Now it's time to edit.