The Reel Rejects - Ant-Man & The Wasp Quantumania SPOILER TALK! Post-Credits Scene & Breakdown

Episode Date: February 19, 2023

KANG THE CONQUEROR IS HERE! Ant-Man & The Wasp Quantumania Spoiler Review covering MODOK, ending explained, Easter eggs, Loki & Council Of Kang Mid Credits, & MORE For the Marvel (MCU) Phase 5 journey!   #AntManAndTheWaspQuantumania #KangTheConqueror #AntManAndTheWasp #Quantumania #Kang #JonathanMajors #PaulRudd #MODOK #Marvel #MCU #MarvelPhase5 #Spoilers #MidCreditScene #PostCreditScene    -Follow Coy Jandreau On Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?lang=en  -Become A Patron-O-Ject Supporter For Full-Length T.V. Show REACTIONS & Q&A'S!!! https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects -Support The Channel By Checking Out Our Bomb A** Merch:  http://shopzeroedition.com/collections/reel-rejects-merch  -POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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20% off select tubs with code Reject Nation, all one word. All right. I'm nervous you. I just feel being in the center, John. I don't like it. I've lost my purpose, and now I'm just here with free hands. I don't know what to do with my hands. You're center of attention today. I said don't want to be that. You're the only one of us who had time to watch it three times, so you're going to nail this. You're going to lay down the opinions today. Yeah, absolutely. He's the greatestest of us.

I'm here to throw a wrench in everyone's gears today. We are a positive force, and he's the most positive. So he's the center because he's got a triple down. John says it takes three times the chance to turn around. I'm very curious as to how and why my third viewing was the way it was. They broke you down, John. But I will say this. Actually, I don't know.

I'll talk about it if anybody cares when it's appropriate. Oh, we're going to talk about it. Oh, we're going to go into it. So, guys, in the chat, you know what? Everyone in the chat, thank you for everyone who's here, by the way. If you're here, please go ahead, leave a like. Be very much appreciated. Helps with the playback on this video.

But we are going to keep this one focused today. What is everyone's, like, general opinion right now? Rod and Tomatoes, critics love it, audiences hate it, and then the cinema score is through the roof right now. These are all accurate facts that you can check up online. trust me you don't want to doubt me on that but it is now I don't know what's real one through 10 should we say like everybody give a number I'd love to I'd love to see I'm a six you're a six I'm a six point four way to be generous that's nice

John did you skyrocket like seven and a half congratulations me right all right all right I this is the first time I would ever encourage somebody not to go to IMAX and instead go to 3D 3D was much better IMAX I think really exposed is the artifice of this movie in a way that does not help, where 3D actually helps it feel like you went to a real place that wasn't just a green screen. Much trippier in 3D. Like, it's much more immersively disorienting in a good way.

And 40, I mean, I saw it in 40X, so I would say go for that because when you're getting thrown around, that's the most immersive when it feels like a universal studio. The best way to love this movie is to not watch it. It's easiest to have it at home. Don't watch it on the biggest screen. Go to 3D. Make sure you watch it on 3D.

Then you'll see it's a great movie right. there. Don't watch, but IMAX doesn't help it because all the extra resolution exposes the artifice whereas all the filtration of 3D helps it to feel less. This is a glowing 7.5. I'm just saying

I was able to, while there are flaws with the movie, certainly still, I was able to enjoy the experience front to back and that's the thing I wanted most each time I saw it. I like that. On Thursday night with like a good audience who is

Who did not clap at the end, you know, who had gripes, but who was into it and it was a better format. It was a much more enjoyable time at the MCU at the movie. Well, looking at the chat, I'm glad John your opinion went up, as always. Now, what I'm looking for here in this chat, I'm seeing everything going from like six to seven primarily. Actually, I'm downplaying it. It's more like between six to eight is where everyone's really hovering with this film. I'm not seeing too much in the chat right now

like super enthusiastic comments and we got several super chats that we do get to and thank you to guys who are super do our super chat stream labs of course also appreciated they take less fees

YouTube takes like a giant cut so much they're like no we deserve like 50% of we pretty much assume you're here because of us

the actual structure not your content it's the YouTube name okay I'm seeing some nine out of tens here however um what was it talking about prior uh score experience watch i think they were caught up score experience 3d i match how to watch it so it's dissonance in the right way i think my issue the second time i've only seen it twice the first time in two d the second time in three d i did prefer the

three d which is not something often say is that i liked the first two acts even more the second time and was almost to the point where i was like judging myself for not liking the movie and then at the exact same moment the first time something happens and I go oh no it's worse because I had been happier so like the higher dropping lower was more jarring so I fell further into the pit of despair so I honestly it went from like a C minus to like a C yeah it's like a C minus still but it just feels more painful I wanted to love this yeah what it reached for me the second time around too was the first half of the like when I said in our non-spoil review the 30 minute chunk that I really like is when you go to the King flashbacks with him and Janet

and then, you know, Kang meeting Ant Man to me is still the best scene in the whole movie and then they have the probability realm. I thought that was a great sequence. So that 30-minute chunk, I think, is really solid. Yeah. But then, you know, on the second time around, I'm like, actually, you know what, this is even the first part

is not too bad. I'm not like massively emotionally invested, but it's fun. I would check out once in a while going, but I know a lot of this is not going to pay off. That's the issue. is like the movie for me is okay so i'm just going to dive in and hopefully that's okay with everyone here the announcement of kang in an ant man movie which apparently was planned since soon after

the second movie so it wasn't just like we need kang i looked into this they like wanted kang in ant man for a long time so i was thinking and this is spoilers everyone i'm going to say some spoilers spoilers spoilers are coming no more warning spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers they literally already been spoiling but i'm going going hard uh they literally put kang in the only movie where there's an Avenger that deals with time in a non-time-traveling way. Ant-man deals with relativity of time. When he's

big and when he's small, time is relative to Ant-Man. Why? Talk to the audience. You don't need to talk to us. Why? Did they not have an element of lost time being a factor? Therefore, having

Kang offer Scott, as he has looted to in the trailer, time with his daughter. Why did they not threaten Scott by aging up, Cassie, instead of using telekinesis, like age up and sacrifice more time with her or offer him time. Again, time right there.

Three, they didn't make, like, it's right there. And then the relativity thing, if you've got Wasp, Ant Man, and Cassie, their sense of time is relative in the quantum realm. Why not have something involving like a time vortex instead of a force field with minions? Something where only Ant Man could be the one

who could get through. If he can kill Thor, if he can kill all these other Avengers, something has to be unique to Ant Man to make the story. work, and he's the only Avenger with time relativity, and they didn't even touch on that. They also put Ant Man and

Cassie in the quantum realm, which is microscopically small, and then played, broke their own rules wherein they got bigger and needed citrus and all those fun jokes of like when he's bigger. They're still microscopic. The bigger of small is still very small. They broke their own rules. They don't have

the fundamentals of what time relativity even means down there, because you also don't see a single moment where, like, when they hug their relative to a place we've never been so you don't care you're not invested. They're just hugging. They're just on a green screen. And they're on a platform with buildings in the background

that don't look as scopic as they could. It was again, I got the sense of scope better in 3D but it is like a bit of a strange stage. And one line, a single line, one line of dialogue fixes my Kang problem. One. One, one, one, one. At the end of the movie.

Spoilers again. I know. I'm just nervous. I'm not used to say it spoilers. They are a council of Kang. talk about Kang. You know what? One of them could have said, a Kangsul, one of the Kangsul could have literally just said

and so we banished our weakest member, but even our weakest being thwarted by an Avenger is shameful. They could have literally acknowledged that was weak Kang, and then it'd be like, oh, now I'm worried for Phase 5.

But instead, we've got this situation where it's like, now we've had two properties to be like, guys, guys, guys, guys, Kang's going to get worse. And no, you can't keep teasing. At some point you've got to give me, like I'm done with appetizers. Give me the meal.

We've been appetized. All right. That's a great Coy rant there. A crant. That's a good crant right there. I want to love him. And I do love Jonathan Majors. Jonathan Majors was Kang, but the writing wasn't. The plot wasn't.

Sorry. Sorry. It's funny is I thought Coy would really love this movie and I'd be arguing with him. Every conversation Greg and I had for a week was like, you know, I didn't like it, but I don't want to say too much. I don't want. And I was like, don't tell me too much. It's fine. It's the six out of ten.

Yeah. And then I walked. And then there's one, like, so we all saw it together. And at one point, I saw John change his body language. So I was like, oh, no, this was going to start to get worse. And then I saw Greg look over at me, and I felt my own face being like, and I was like, oh, no. And then it's just a second. What moment was that?

It was as soon as the ants were announced, I knew that would be the third act. As soon as Michael Douglas goes, there's a technological city of ants. And that's another thing. Okay, so. Whoa, whoa, boy, we got to reserve some of this because you never know. People could come up in a super chat? You know, the same way, I've got a better ending. The same way Hank Pim walks through this movie going, I like ants.

You should walk through this stream going, I like rants. I do like rants, and I wouldn't, Michael Douglas needs to be my deep fake. All right, John. I have a better ending for Michael Douglas. Teach me the ways. I do this for the see the super chats. Oh, my God. So if I wanted to.

Or Godwin Alex, watch another stream. People saying I'm too much. This is what I do on this channel. I'm enjoying things. Over animated. Fuck yourself. uh no like i'm gonna do what i want you're here fuck off or not that was a nice blast of energy just there yeah that's what i was like are you trying to get us demonetize coy i'm trying to get the people

that want to talk crap not in here coy you you i see i spend too much time on twitter so i said oh dude i see coy on twitter i'm like this can't be good for the brain i do it between sets it helps my workouts i'm like it's like games because i get angry and then i get stronger all right guys I'm going to dive into here. Dan V-900. Love and Thunder was awful. It has a higher cinema score than Ant Man and the Wask. What is B-plus?

It's B-plus and Ant-Man in the Wasconomania's B. Black Panther 2 had a rough first 90 minutes with an Avengers finale. And I hated the last 10 minutes of Quantumania. Kang was completely undercut. Well, we did a video about the mid-credit scene, expressed our thoughts on it, how I thought it felt like a cartoon and is not threatening. And someone brought up, a point that was brought up to me from Omni Media, Michael B, he said, he realized when the movie was done that it doesn't change.

It's a movie that's all about setting up phase five, but it literally tells you nothing new. Nothing changed. There's nothing new that is, like, this thing that happens in the post-credit scene is like, yeah, that's what he who remains was talking about. But there's nothing new. This movie could be skipped and would change nothing. It actually changes literally nothing. and it doesn't even succeed as being a standalone Ant-Man movie and it doesn't really do much new for setting up phase five either.

Even its stakes are undermined. Yeah, I mean, you guys know how it felt like a cartoon. I see other people saying it feels like an SNL scratch. I want to coin that. I said that first. It was him. But, uh, yeah, Roy, what did you think of the, because John and I talked sensibly about already on the channel.

What did you think of the mid-credit scene? I saw you like, I don't know what you felt the second time around, but I remember when it ended, you went, you went down. I did. Visibly. Okay, so my thing with Jonathan Majors is he's got this... Really quick. In case people...

Oh, okay. Super quick recap. 30 seconds of what happened to the mid-credit. So basically the mid-credit scene is the Council of Cangs gathering around basically discussing the events of the film in real-time about their impact and how they must call all the Cangs forward because they're starting to set to the multiverse. So the Cangs are aware of this event occurring and they know that they need to do something

to change it. You've got a kind of play... I think it's the Scarlet Centurion is what they're leaning into for the first... one introduced. You've definitely got Ramatut and you've got what might end up being a mortis. I hope that's not the amorous design they go with. But you've got three Kangs of note and then they cut to a entirety

of Kang counsel in this giant arena and they actually grab a frame straight from the comic book. Literally down to the last king that turns and yells at the camera that's from the comic. I enjoyed that as a comic fan, but as a movie fan I went, well, that's weird out of context. But it is a post-credit scene that does set up something

but my issue with it is Jonathan Major's strength is that he basically is able to play everything so real and so grounded, I believe it. Jonathan Majors can do the most ridiculous accent, and he can, basically, the post-credit scene was a Meisner class in Hollywood, and an actor being like, let me try these five different characters, but Jonathan Majors is so good, I'm in.

Like, Jonathan Majors can literally change his cadence, and then I'm invested, and he can also do accents, and I'm always in. But the issue was, it was so big times all of those characters, it felt like an S&L skit because there wasn't any there wasn't anything to ground majors. Yeah.

To get used to these characters. Yeah. You're not able to. It just cuts to them. It feels like a spoof out of like walk hard when they cut to the Beatles. You know?

Like we're all doing accents and it's just cutting. So it feels goofy. And it's not his fault. And to me. Well, to me that the scene two with the, that you're referencing

within the comics, there's like an ominous build to seeing everyone there because he's like in the darkness and it's like, who's there. he's like reveal yourself individual or something and then it's cut to like oh there's a massive amount of kings and then here they're all like getting ready for like a high school football game yeah they're all about to watch small bit take on like gotham and i definitely was bothered by that and i'm like i'm not there's no i find the setup for than the first avengers movie that scene leads more of an ominous mood than the entire mid-credit scene and i feel like even if you're excited by the context of all the kings coming i the scene should feel threatening and menacing and To me, it does it.

To me, you didn't know. Act one and two of this movie, setting up Kang and letting Kang be the guy leaning back in the chair and experiencing the depth of all these things. That's Kang. As soon as you've got Kang being like that, it loses what Kang is. Like, Kang speaks in capital letters, but it doesn't feel like he's yelling. It feels like he's menacing. Okay, cool. I want to, John, I want to get your thoughts on this, John.

John, I want to get your thoughts. John, you're in the center. I'm here. Dan V-900. Thank you for the Super Chat. my friend, the original ending from a test screening four months ago, John, was a king escaping with Scott and Hope getting trapped in the quantum realm, which I thought this movie totally pussyed out on doing. I'm truly baffled that was changed. I do have a, the second

view, it made me sort of appreciate the ending a little more. The mid-credit scene was rushed. Now, John, John, can I dread to see you? For me, John. I feel like there's some kind of weird joke about to come, and I don't know what to expect, right? No, I'm just a trap. Are you going to trap me in the quantum? I understand the ending bit of having Cassie opened the door because she has in the very beginning, say, you know, if I had a device like this, I could have saved you. And I didn't catch it until the second viewing, because it wasn't until the second viewing where she says it at the beginning. Like, oh, yeah, she says that. And that's what she does.

I get what the movie is trying to do. But the moment still wasn't hit for me. And I felt like they totally chicken out on what could have been a good ending. But John, would you have preferred this original ending? I mean, it certainly presents a more interesting prospect and a more striking, a bit of peril and continuation for the Ant Man movies going forward. I feel like they wrapped this up in a way where you could kind of happily ever after them if you wanted to. And, you know, maybe then we just see Cassie moving forward. So, yeah, I mean, it did feel like a bit of a, again, third viewing, everything worked a little bit.

better, but it is one of those things where after a tandem of very conveniently timed events, this is perhaps the most conveniently timed event because it, even Scott and Hope, they literally go, let's go home. And then the portal opens behind them. And you're like, did you know she was going to do this? Did you hear it? Is there a tinkling? So yeah, I don't like hate the choice to bring them back immediately at the end, but I am still kind of taken aback. And I think it would have been a more interesting prospect to have them trapped there because then that would at least give me some kind of lingering reason to think about, you know, like, what's going to happen

with Ant Man and the Wasp and stuff like that? Olivia's trying to trigger you. Not yet. My issue, and I've seen a few comments about, like, what you guys are haters like Last Jedi or something? I saw some dumb shit. But I think that... Last Jedi is the best in the Empire.

Right? I saw your list on Twitter today. Do you agree? Oh, do you agree? I don't think it's the third best. I think it's, I legitimately do. I think it's the... Let me think about this for a second.

Yeah, I think it's important. I think how do you rank on for? I was hoping to have this debate. Anyway, no, let's go. Let's move the song. Basically, we're not, we're not anti-Marvele. I think that what we want is we don't want to accept mediocrity because we'll get mediocrity.

I think the reason they delayed the Marvels is because the stakes are higher for the Marvels now. The Marvels comes out in November, as opposed to July. Guardians has been done, and that's going to wreck all of us. I think Guardians is safely going to be amazing. But I think now they've had phase four. be ups and downs. And I was the biggest defender. Watch anything in Coy's Comic Corner or anything in this channel. I was saying like, hey, they have a plan. We should wait. We should pay off. And the thing

with film structure is the first act is going to be set up. The second act is catalyst. The third act is resolution and climax. So the second act needs to be more cohesive. My concern is Coakane Bear this week. My concern is that it's the kickoff to phase five. So the stakes are higher because this is the beginning of change. So the reason I'm way harder on this film is because This was supposed to be the catalyst to make things evolve and change. And literally, this is more innocuous and more removed than any of the Phase 4 films. If you actually look at the ramifications of this, there's less consequence. So if this is the thing that is effectively the beginning of a new arc and the beginning of the introduction to our Phase 5 villain,

it is a lot more of a big deal that this feels so mediocre. So if we accept mediocrity, we'll get mediocre films. So the reason I'm so much more angry than the reason I'm so much more spoken, and I'm not as usually this vocal with my negativity, is because there is a point where positivity causes harm to the product and the art I love so much. Both the product and the art being separate things so there needs to be a ramification

and thus we're being more open about it. It's not negativity for negativity's sake. It's to cause the consequence of change. Can I ask you all a question to the chat as well as you guys? Because I've heard differing opinions and I spent some time on Thursday just chatting with fans outside, you know, just like people who

are enthused but aren't critics. Did you take this? Because I can understand this feeling inconsequential if we think that we will never see this iteration of Kang again. Do you think that Kang the conqueror, this Kang, is made to return or do you think they are setting up

a different Kang will be the bigger, badder version on the way? I think Kang gets absorbed into time itself in a way and he comes back as a wieler of time to bigger scale. I think that wasn't his death. That was him melding with the fabric of

time and when he comes back he'll be strong But it will be that Kang the Conqueror, not one of the guys in the arena. Nobody know, because some people have said, like... I think it's going to be the one guy in the arena who's screaming. Just that one guy. Just that one guy. I wanted to be the guy that, like, Towers and does his power Rangers post. No, I think that Majors, one of the coolest things I heard from Majors describing that,

Kang was, what would a man who could speak every language sound like? And I'm like, that's the guy I want to meet. And I feel like the depowered version because of him being out of space and time doesn't allow for that so he put so much work into this character and it showed i want to see that guy get to flex true true true facts i'm going to keep this uh stream moving here star what the hell star walker star walker star walker star walker star walker thank you for the super chat your support is greatly appreciated today how long was squat in the quantum realm during the blip again five years but it felt like five minutes or something to him right you said something

like that because that quantum math seems off if janet was down there for 30 years, right? Am I missing something? That's a great point. That's a good question. I'm not... My biggest quam with Janet in this film is her whole thing about don't go near the quantum realm. Don't even look at it.

Don't talk. Breathe into it. Don't talk about it. Don't take a polaroid of your device. But in the Ant Man and the Wasp post-credit scene, she's like, yeah, we're going to send you in there, Scott. You're going to collect some DNA. Hey, Morton.

I don't know about this. I don't have enough Pimp particles. Weird time to be doing Justin Royal impression. No, this is our audition to replace him. But to me, that was the, that part was, it kept nagging at my brain of this doesn't make any sense to me. It was this continuity. There's a lack of continuity here. Somebody just asked, I'm sorry, we do do Spotify, and this will be up there pretty soon.

So keep an ear out. You can already hear the non-spoiler reviews up there. literally uploading right now in real time. Whoa. Is that crazy? Whoa. You can catch up now.

It's insane. Thank you, Star Walker. Cheveh. Ah, Janine, what's up? Saw this movie today. I'm glad you did, Cheveh. And thank you for the super chat. And I honestly loved it.

And that's fantastic. Yeah. I'm jealous. I'm rooting for people to love it. I want people to enjoy this movie and fight with me in person about it. In person.

Online, you're being a coward. find me in person and argue with me and then you'll find me going yeah man glad you liked it I thought I want someone to find me

at flogging Molly this year just like last year and get in my face about this just like they did about that pedophile movie and I want that to be weird and uncomfortable was that one that got nominated

for the Oscar oh liquorish pizza yeah someone like trying to fight me I appreciate everyone who contributes to super chat today because Koi is determined to get this video demonetized

it was a thing I was like Jeepers I appreciate the Super Chats and Streamlapse. I like that Holes joke, but then they kind of beat it to death. Pove and Meyer, thank you for the Super Chat. Hey, guys, I got a question for you both. Yeah.

I'm spinning this up the top of my head. What if King Dynasty is in Kang's past, but the Avengers future, and he's already experienced those events before being exiled in the quantum realm? You know, Coy recommended a comic that I was such a fast read form. Like, for me, I loved it. Yeah. It's just called King the Conqueror. Who's the freaking writer?

Who's the kidding? Jackson Lansin. Jackson Lansin. And to me, when I read that, I found myself going, I hope this is what King Dynasty is. Because it's essentially about, it's a following a young Nathaniel Richards who discovers time travel after living in a great utopia where like violence absolved. He's just bored out of his mind. It's like an anime character who's bored

and looking for adventure. And then and then when he time travels he meets himself and he's like this guy's a bad dude. I can't be this dude. And then you watch the journey unfold and I won't spoil it. It's beautiful. That's just the setup. And to me I was like this is such a fantastic way to get to know Kang. And that's

more along the lines of what I'm hoping Marvel will do something like because you say King Dynasty. I'm like well this would still fit that because you're still meeting Ramatut. You're still meeting other king names that I don't recall at the moment. You've got a lot of Ravona Renslayer in there. I thought it was an amazing comic book. And so if there's a King to Conquerque...

Because I read the King Dynasty, my favorite chapter in King Dynasty is the one where there's no text. Oh, yeah, that's a beautiful... It's powerful. Yeah. For most of it, I'm not a major... I had a long clock I'm not a big fan of a lot of the event comics. Well, there's a time when they just were dense to be dense.

And there was also a writing style that doesn't really translate to now, especially with Kang, where it's like, why am I reading like a book you take out of the library? Like a recession. It's just a lot of information and with a lot of action. Yeah. And then the action feels even more repetitive when you're just looking at pictures. But I do think that with Thanos having his own movie at Infinity War, it'd be cool if they went even harder with that.

Exactly. Because Jackson Lansing's book, it came out in 2021. You could probably get an Agar Local Comics store right now still. It is beautiful. It is atmospheric. It's a love experience about time and love. And I think it could beautifully tie into the Hugh

Who Remains and the Kang we've met so far in a way that would be really unique. And I think Marvel can really write the ship. And I love your idea here. I've talked about before. I think that a lot of phase four is going to be surprising in that. There's things out of time. I think we've already seen movies that don't take place in the time we think they do. So this would totally tie into that early fun line.

Fantastic. Dan V-900. John. John, I'm setting you up here. Cool. I'm going to alley-up you here with a question. And you got the answer. I'm ready to shoot the ball.

Dan V-900, back at it with the super chats. Thank you, Dan V-900. You're being a top contributor today. I'm going to hit a random button. Tinkerbell. That's good one. I like it. Kane can't be taking it.

Seriously, as the big bad now, honestly, don't worry. The next one will be the real threat is what they keep saying, right? The mid-credit scene was a joke. Majors does not serve well with the writing at the end. What do you think? I mean, the mid-credit scene, yeah, it's weird. Like, watching the movie the third time, the humor of the whole thing bolstered that in isolation. However, yeah, I still think that because the movie is splitting the difference between the tones, doing the humorous, you know, Ant Man's stuff, but then crashing it into the Shakespearean warlord story, I do think it muddies the water at least.

Like, I am not sitting here going like, well, they totally ruined Kang and now I don't care to see him anymore. Like, yeah, is it what everybody wants and is it the most agreeable take? Is he best served by the writing? I don't necessarily think so I feel like you can comment more deeply on the nuances of how they wrote him but for what it was like even the second time honestly

like the third time I should say I didn't have as big of a problem with the way they vanquished him because it started to read much more like a big team effort like okay the rebels came in and they had to take out the Kang bots and then Hank comes in

with all the ants and stuff like that and then you know giant man is like punching him and they're slowly dismantling his suit, which from what I understand about Kang, he's a brilliant mind, but the power comes from his machines and things that he's built, not from an innate telekinesis or anything

like that. So I bought in real time the way they were able to wear him down and as a collective army overpower this guy. I know. I know you're going to hate this, Olivia. I get it. A bunch of ants took out Kang. I understand. In logical sense, in the grand

scope of things, as a as an overarching piece of a big interconnected thing, yes, it is a questionable decision. In isolation of this movie, I had a lot more fun with what they wanted to do as an aunt family adventure. But yes, to be like,

this is the big threat that I'm going to take seriously, I guess it's clear from people's responses that they are going to have to work to bridge that gap some. And because he who remains had an innate quirkiness and by contrast, Kang the Conqueror does not. He's seething with rage and sorrow and pathos.

And then the rest of the Kangs just all feel kind of silly. So I feel like they have set this weird table right now where I don't know what the next iteration of Kang is going to be really. But I still think Jonathan Major sells it so hard. And yeah, that that third. I love having Olivia in the chat. I do. I truly, I love it. Like part of me wants you in the chat.

this stream to throw down, but part of me is, like, thrilled that I can just glance over. It's fun, because John, we'll get the most defensive if you make a joke about him, so it's the most fun. Yeah, more than me. No, I know that my third... Like, if we make a joke about you and Olivia makes a joke,

you'll laugh, react. John can get a little more defensive. Yeah. And then I just will yell at you both when the camera's not rolling. That's true. Yeah, as soon as we wrap, it'll be wrap. We'll get, we'll feel that. I'm like, well, Greg can take a joke, but then when the camera's not rolling, then it's like, Coy, I am reconsidering you being part of this channel.

Why are you on the real rejects? You said two swears. I will also acknowledge that I agree with everything you're saying and I think it's really important that also people saying like why did you make four videos about this if you didn't like the movie or why are these things? I think that when you don't like something, it's more important to also quantify like the impact of what didn't work. Again, like I said in that rant, like I think we love this world and we want it to be better.

So I think that delays are a good thing. The doing less shows are a good thing. But again, clearly they're listening. Like the Marvel world only works because Kevin Fikey clearly listens to the fans because Marvel clearly goes like, ooh, adjust here, adjust here in real time. So if we keep going like, yay, blindly, then it's not going to get fixed. So I think these are important conversations to have. This is a moment where I just really hope they don't take the wrong lessons from people's responses.

That's all. Because I feel like it could be very easy to find the wrong message from what people are responding to. I agree. All right. When I start to scroll up. Yeah, I was side. I shut up, Greg.

I did. 10-900. Back at it. Read that. John doesn't have a backbone enough for what? Oh, this is getting real. I like it.

He's trash. She's trash. She's getting personal. Oh, we're going to see John fume today. It's going to be fun. No, I fully admit. Like, yeah,

the third time I had the experience I was hoping to have all along. Olivia, you're leading to us not moving. on now. 10-900. Almost. Not 100%. Did anyone have a real arc in this film? Nope.

No, definitely not. I can't. There's not a single person here who can tell me that there was an arc. I can't even see a justification. And guess what? Even Thor Love and Thunder had a character arc. And Thorloven Thunder. In Eternals has a character arc.

Even Iron Man 3 has a character arc. What else is a bad received one? I don't remember Thor the Dark World enough. Is there a character arc? character arc in there? Maybe. I think he goes from violent to violenter. And Jane becomes, goes from being like in control to silly.

There's something there. No one has a character arc. This would have been perfect. Here's what my pitch for, if they just did what the trailer was, then they would have had a character arc. If it was, oh, Cassie and Scott have a troubled relationship. Because it would be like, all right, even though Scott's back, Cassie, it's kind of happens like weird subconscious abandonment issue.

She's still had five years without her dad. and she went down a different path during that time, and she still hasn't fully resolved her shit. Bam, you got a setup for a character there. And then Scott is consumed by his own ego with wanting to be famous. That's literally what the trailer seemed like he was doing, and then he's not really there for his daughter.

I thought in the movie, when he's like, I just want to be there for my daughter. And then it cuts to Cassie that you would see, oh, he's just bullshitting the world. He's not really there for his daughter that much. And then as they go through this journey through the quantum realm, then you watch as their relationship changes,

that thing that were the trailer spliced together, the flashback with Janet and the conversation with King to make it seem like Kane was offering Scott the chance to be with his daughter. That would have created a family conflict and a nice dynamic. That way, that dynamic would have been like

there's a conflict with the aunt family of Scott. You don't know what you're doing. You can't trust this guy. It would have created a debate around the goal. Are you saying that the only Avenger in Phase 3 that lost time with his family in that direction should have had the only villain in the entire Marvel cinematic universe introduced so far

wield time as a threat. Yeah. Time is the thing he could offer. All they had to do with the trailer. Like, whoever made the trailer, clearly had it. Like, I know what a better movie of this would have been to give it a character arc and some stakes. And what's hard as Peyton Reed is such a comic nerd that he probably wanted that story enough.

He planted those seats. And what it would, and what you could have done for Wasp, who is not a character in this movie, what you could have done for wasp is have her be trying to be a stepmom. Right. But Cassie can't connect with her. Right. Boom. You've got character arcs. If you put Hank by himself,

right, you move Hank over here and he's and he's going to talk to his aunts and have his little ant adventure which would be a fun little side mission. A C plot with Hank allows Hope and Janet times so they can actually have a motherly bond, which would parallel Scott and his daughter's bond and have a fun little dichotomy and that at the end would have served the aunt moment even

more. And it would also allow a lot of interesting moments where if the end of this movie should have Ben, right? The first movie's called Ant Man and the Wasp, because they finally let Evangeline Lilley do something. Make the third movie, Ant Man and the Wask Quantumavia, end the movie with Hank Pim and Janet Van Dine trapped in the quantum realm. They're wandering off to rebuild that city with people, and the title comes up and it's Ant Man on the Wasp, but it's Ant Man on the Waspim and the Wasch Man at Van Dine trapped in Quantumania, then there's stakes, and then it makes all three of the titles very impactful and interesting. Boom.

Evan, I can't remember your last name, but Evan in the chat said that the coffee shop guy had an arc. He did. He was the only one. He learned. Modok has an arc. He does. He does. He does. Don't be a dick. Gan and Fish, I love your name. Thanks for the super chat. Hey, Coy. You were

met at the FaxX trailer launch and he was so kind. What happened to King at the end? Any theories? He's big and small at the same time. He's Modoc now. Actually, that I would be weirdly on board for you.

appears it's a little Kang Roneck and it's like a little blue head. But Jonathan Majors is still doing the same exact serious performance. Yeah. I would be totally down. I think Ken gets trapped in time itself. And I do think he comes back personally. He got beat by ants. I didn't agree with how he went down.

And I didn't agree with him solely relying on his shit army. Right. That was something that made no sense to me that he would. Because people were like, I heard some people, I heard some people defend. this movie going, but you see Kang get dirty, and he goes down there and fucks people up. I'm like, he does that for like 15 seconds. After sitting and watching.

Also, like, I told you guys when we first walked out, I was like, is Kang's weakness big people? Because as soon as, he literally looked out the window, he's like, oh no, he's big now. I've seen a lot of the quantum realm, but nothing like this. Nothing like a microscopically big, small man. I'm going to throw out a quick theory here. I think the rings of his

ship are related to the 10 rings and the bangle from this Marvel, though, because they have the runes on the outside so I think time relates to the bangle and the ten rings so I think that we find out in like phase five I totally agree but I thought we'd find out a plant of that here I thought we'd have a seed of that yeah all righty guys thank you Mickey for the super chat hold on I got to read my text all right happy wife happy life I will say like like I guess the point of my of my change of partial heart is is is the movie is way more enjoyable but there are these road signs of missed opportunities left and right. I think it's better the story and the script could be much rigged here. I think it's better to keep this. I think it's

better to enjoy it. Jack's being very brave. Just trying to keep it focused. I mean, half the audience is happy or being critical. The other half is like, why can't you just enjoy movies? This movie has a 50% of course it's going to be divided in the chat. 50% is great because that's true divisive. That's not met, it's true devices.

We were missing the homies. We were missing the homies from the first two, seven out of ten we were that is the thing that is the gripe i i actually care about and i'm legitimately bummed out about do you have no louise recap or anything like that do i have do you have a way to bring him in i had i had a whole thing i thought he was going to be there at the end being like so wait a minute like like recapping the whole movie like like that's what you did like or maybe he shows up at the book signing like he didn't even come to the book sign i wanted david de smaltz reading the book and broken russian

I wanted Louise to basically tell us what happened in the five years Paul Rudd was gone. Can you imagine like a full fight? But what he does is he gives us all of the MCU shows. So all the MCU shows that people that just watch the movies don't know, he basically like spits those out. That would have been so much fun. There was so many opportunities.

You know what I think a good post credit scene would have been instead of what we got is him talking to an Avenger instead of him brushing off like, you know, in the ending. You know, don't worry. better win now. I think what good post-crediting would have been him talking to an Avenger and warning him about it. That way it feels like a real, that way it made it feel like the movie's important. Yeah. Yeah. And like that same

ominous tone could have actually worked at someone. I don't want to forget our stream labs. So I'm going to, we got two right now. So I'm going to like quickly hop over to here. Did I do it, John? It should have been new. Yeah, you can also use this button. Should have been Sam Wilson. John, please. I appreciate your help here, John. Thank you. Just a recap. I can't tell. Of course.

liked it more the second time or not john liked it more the third time and uh i'm about the same i didn't really change i'm like love and thunder i really didn't like it that much the second time i liked the first half more the second time and the second half less so guys gareth hart agarth harkness mcmurray thank you so much for the stream the streams are actually better because of the fact that they don't take as much a cut because you know youtube is like a mafia invading a town Mark Oliver, but we love you, you too. It wouldn't be a lot today. We love you.

Mark Oliver Everett of Eels is the guy who wants Scott to take a photo with his dog. What makes this cameo, which, guys, fun fact, what makes this cameo interesting is that E's father, E. E. E. E. E. Everett. Hugh Everett, the third, is the quantum physicist who first proposed the many world's interpretation, MWI of quantum physics. That's incredible. Yeah, and this movie really takes advantage of quantum physics. That's a really cool.

you. I didn't know that. That's a really cool fact. That is, that is a real cameo. And also, Ryan from BuzzFeed Unsolved has a cameo. Oh. That's who it was. I couldn't pinpoint it. Yeah. When he meets up with Randall Park and they smile at that couple. I could not put it together. Ryan Cabrera. You're right. I was like, who is that guy? But I kept thinking of movies. Yes, you're right. The second you said it, I was like, that's who it was. Curtis Mason here. After Dr. Strange's mom got several spoiled in the trailers. I started only watching the first trailer for Marvel movies. Thank you for the streamline, but I believe it has helped me to have a better experience with Thor 4, BP2 and Amman 3.

Thor 4 is still too silly, though. I love the caveat of like, I've enjoyed these. Thor 4, still not so great. But yeah, Curtis, also Curtis, good to see you. I think that not watching the trailers is the healthiest way to enjoy any of this. We're just stuck in the internet. Guys, you know, I got to love it with you, man. It doesn't really change that much for me.

I saw like every trailer and leak and thing for Spider-Man, No Way Home. and that more than delivered for me. Yeah, Black Panther 2 saw like every trailer. I love that movie. Well, if the thing is good enough, the spoiler, won't tamper the drama. Yeah, no, I mean, I just wanted some basics. I just wanted, like,

I think, something we're telling. Just wanted stronger choices. I just wanted some characters in here. You know, I'm not asking for a lot. You know what I mean? All right, go on. They also set up characters. It's not like the movie didn't have the opportunity.

Like, Paul Rudd's dialogue throughout the film, about him and his daughter and time never landed and that's really difficult for me yeah yeah look how much catch up we have to do here i stopped talking very quickly isn't that awesome how much catch up we got to do i'm gonna keep us on track don't you wait i mean don't you wait i won't do wait okay i'll wait all right all right guys check it check it here's what cam kay is saying um yeah you can see your name right yes whatever thank you for the super chat kang got beat by the ants That's minimalizing the fake that the fact that King actually got beat by a class two technocratic civilization. Oh, no release science, extremely intelligent ants with thousands of years advanced technology.

Give credit. Fair enough. They are incredible ants. This is King, the Conqueror. So here's what I'm saying, though. If these ants already exist, he's conquered him. He's conquered him. I'm saying, you just had to earn that rather than just having them show up.

If you have ants and then Avengers, fight King, they're probably. It's going to be no problem. It's going to be not a problem. I issue it was phase three. Batrock left. Killmonger, killmongered. In phase four, Gore did not butcher. And so far, Kang has not conquered.

I'm having trouble with my verbs. What is, who's the worst king of them all? I mean, probably the guy that turns and screams at the camera on the post credit scene. No, no, no, no. The biggest baddest. Oh, the worst is in the big. The biggest baddest is the most. Yeah.

Amortis is the scariest. It is amortis. Which one sucks the most at his job? That's what I was like, the one that just yells. Well, you see, yeah, I mean, I don't like the payoff in the moment of it, especially because I felt like Michael Douglas was kind of just walking into the whole movie. He likes ants. We should make that super cat.

I love that. You and I love that joke way more than anyone else. But I love that half of his dialogue is just, I like ants. I'm an ant. I want ants. Cut that into the movie Falling Down. I want to watch Falling Down and then just have scenes where he's angry. I like ants.

I like ants. People saying Kane killed all those ants. He still got overtaken by, he's the guy who's apparently beat. This is the king that was so bad that got exiled. Someone defends it saying, it actually could be an unreliable narrator. He's saying that, but the movie, you know, but that might not be it.

I'm like, okay, you're giving the movie a little more credit. I'm going to what the movie gave me. So bad, he got exiled. And he's so intelligent. He builds this army that he wants to take up to earth so that way he can start conquering again. But this army got taken down by apparently this rebellion that was never strong enough to take him down before.

A giant guy, a wasp, and a bunch of ants and I feel like King if the ants have been around there for that long wouldn't King

have been intelligent enough I mean he's not intelligent that sounds like I'm undermining I'm saying King the character that at least

it's been told for me would have been aware of the ants right he would have he was aware of them landing as soon as they'd landed Bill Murray even said like he knows you're here

because I know you're here he'd know about the ants like there are so many thoughts even in movie lodge my question then becomes because what I've noticed every time from the first time on is that the ants each activate some odd it almost feels like they do a shrink when they're going through the quantum portal that none of the other aunt family characters do so they have those little

helmets so I took it as they go to like a sub sub subatomic place which it still seems like Kang is omnipresent and knows everything but at the same time that read as I guess maybe what they were trying to communicate is they went even further down than everybody else did, and so maybe they were able to just kind of do their thing. It might have been fine, too, in the final battle if it looked like King was actually winning in the fight at first. Also, if the ants took out his minions, there would have been some symmetry of, like, the idea that Kang needs this civilization for him to rule, and the ants need to take out

that civilization, like, there were parallels that could have worked. Because the A-Man seemed where he became ants through the division of reality and probability, him mirroring ants was fascinating. You could have had that same mirror with the ants taking out the colony that Kang built because he is a conqueror, a colonizer. You could have had that colony of ants take out his colony, and then our family take out Kang himself. But instead, they didn't play with any metaphor.

They just had him get run over by ants. True. Listen, Coy, we're not on the new Rockstar's break room. Okay. I think it's important. You look to the camera a little bit more. I keep reading, getting angry. Or you know what you can't.

Why are you seeing stupidity? Don't look at the street. Let's get the circle. Just let people are be hysteria. You got to stop getting so affected by people. Greg, it's because I love people, and I keep being proven wrong. Jesus Christ. Just, they're breaking my optimism.

Never mind. I'm not even going to go down this normal. I was trying to stay calm, so I was looking at my friends. It's so triggered. I do. There's no need to. Up, up, up, down. What 814?

99% of the people who say stuff mean to you online are not going to say it to your face in person. And the one that tries, come on. All right. Not everyone's Olivia. Olivia will say this all to you. She's back. She's been in here. She was just like, where's the script that you?

John of Coy, where's the script to you? She will say it in person to you. That's the credit I'm giving. That's why she's a real one. That's why you married her. That's why we love her. Oh, cry, Coy, cry. That's Olivia.

Up, up, down. She knows it's going to get to you guys. My name is Darren and I'm not a dick. Modoc works so well for me. And the audience basically laughed at every joke with him, Darren RIP. I know it's funny. Like in the first screen, people hated him. But I love, I loved Modoc, especially in the second time.

I'm like, you know what, screw it. I wasn't sure if I really loved him. On the second time, I'm like, I love this guy. He's funny. He's the only one with an arc. His line about, well, look at me. I'm such a dick. Like, it's a great delivery.

Tell me what to be. No, his delivery is across the border. Perfect. Even the line where Scott is like, Darren, Darren. And then he goes, Modoc. Yeah. Yeah. Like, even his.

The one word delivery is When he pops up, I don't know why I was the only one that laughed in every screening of this, but when he pops up outside of Hank Pim's helicopter, he goes, Hank, it's so funny to me. Hi, Hank. It's so good. So, yeah, I loved him. He's my favorite part of the film.

And David DeSmalshian's little holes guy. And his line, too, because like the first line of you were always like a brother to me. And I was like, that's kind of funny. But when he caps it off with, at least I die. It's so funny. you did that's how it works yeah

like he's dying just let him let him have it it's so funny that that was and then they have like because like we already had such a funny

death with Deadpool 2 when he kept dying yeah that I'm like okay they managed to do something different that I thought also visually

if you rewatch the first Antman it's so perfect that they made him modoc with his alarms like it's such a good long game delivery of an in universe change to an origin

where they really made the most out of something And when they recap that and they're like, oh, wow, the way he shrunk down, it makes perfect sense. I loved it. Leia Arianna Bonnie, great name. Yeah, that's a great name. Star Wars in the MCU, King had Vader vibes. Love it.

Kind of. I feel like he should be more Palpatine, though. He's not really Vader to me. I agree that it felt Star Warsy, and I agreed that in the first two acts, there were definitely Vader vibes with, like, his presence walking down hallways and the cape. And there were elements I totally see. but I think that we should meet a more Emperor Kang next, hopefully. Like, he should be pulling strings. And I think the other part about when people say it's like Star Wars,

I don't know, I absorb all the Star Wars movies. I've seen the animated shows. So when I hear that, I go, there's some stuff that has like a production design quality that looks like Star Wars. But to me, it doesn't really feel like Star Wars to me. The when people say that, I subconsciously just disagree. I think it feels like Star Trek in a way, and I think it has Star Wars set pieces. But I think Star Wars is more of an adventure, like the score to Star Wars is what I feel like Star Wars is more like a hope and wonder and more of a fantasy.

So there's more of the sci-fi of Star Trek. Star Trek's a little more heady than Star Wars. But it's paste more like that. It's more ethical quandaries and then Star Wars is more swashbuckling. Oh, I like that. I think John actually put it best. Yeah, that's really good call. John, with the words, that's why you're the center of the day.

That's why you're in the middle. Yeah, it's like a mishmash of like star, my friend described it as like a mishmash of like Star Wars Mad Max and total recall. Mustafa Jav. This movie was more out of place. Thank you for Mr. Pratt with no heist. So even then, you could have like enhanced that more. If there had to be a journey to get to what is it called the big probability storm. No, no, no, the actual device you're trying to get.

the multi-vercial engine. Yeah, when he's trying to get to that, instead of just dive and, like, I love the probability realm sequence. Please don't excuse that fact. I love it. But if there was a little bit more of a focus is that plot comes in so late.

Yeah. And there's this unnecessary, there's something I don't like about this movie. There's this unnecessary build that they treat him like Voldemort when they just don't say King's name. It sounds like a nitpick putter, and it kind of is.

We know when they're always like, he's coming, him. Everyone's just saying that. And then after you meet King, everyone just called him Kang. It's like they had to meet him until they'd say it Yeah, like we know what's happening We've seen the trailer

This is not really building for me I'm very curious to know what somebody Who isn't as immersed feels about that specific That is a good question Like someone who might not have seen Loki And doesn't know what to expect I wonder if that works any better But yeah I mean I think

I think they could have made a heist element out of it If it was really like And that would allow for Scott To explore more of the, that way you see more The Quantum Realm because he has to go through The Quantum Realm and encounter all this shit because he has to work in order to get to this device. Then I'm like, boom, then you get to really explore and live in the quantum realm.

They could have even had everyone get sucked in the quantum realm except Scott, and then they could have had his boys have to help him use the device that she made to have him go through the quantum realm. And that could have been the heist. That could have been the team. That could have been him doing it by himself. If I was there with my family and my daughter, I wouldn't have. I could have been, boom, better movies all the round.

In the first act, what if? And then you also allow for the heist. Corey M, thank you for the super chat. The quantum realm is this own universe, so they're not tiny anymore. It's confusing rules. Yeah, I don't understand how he got big, small, but it was different. Well, I get it. It's just, yeah, when you go into a place like this, then the sense of scope changing, changes and diminutive.

It's like, you're not in the real world blowing up a PEZ dispenser and being like, oh, wow. Here you're, yeah, you're more, you're just in a different, complete realm where that stuff doesn't apply the same way. Is the implication that he's actually giant, but isn't he still microscopic? He's giant relatively, but, but, but yeah, I get what you mean about the, about the physical aspect, about like the, yeah, the, you know, I'm so hungry. Like, that I don't quite know where follow. Because it's not like he traversed, I know it's a realm out of space time, but I don't think that implies it's in another parallel. Like, I think the rules would still apply, because he's still infinitesimally small. Yeah, I'm curious about that.

I've seen a lot of echoes in the chat to people saying they need to ditch these Rick and Morty. writers. And I do wonder how much credit or blame can be placed on the writers in a situation like this because of how much modular just tweaking has to happen with these movies. And if you're in this position to be

a big setup and a big Avengers tie-in movie, you know, like how much flesh can you put on that? Because like, Loki thought had really wonderful writing for the most part. Same guy wrote Multiverse of Madness and I could feel how that needed to be like reworked and retold and modularly.

So, like, I felt like that's probably not really Michael Waldron's full script on display. So, like, I have some level of faith that maybe this guy who wrote this movie, you know, who's apparently writing Kang Dynasty, might still turn in a great script for that that that isn't hampered by also pandemic, I assume, played into this. But, yeah. It seems like they have time and it seems like they're consciously making that decision. Like, I have a lot of hope now. Huh. Unlike this movie. Where she showed up barely.

There's not a lot of hope. Ah, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, that's how you transition when you're in control of this side of the screen. SKR, this movie made me not feel threatened by King anymore. Four out of ten. You know what I give a ten out of ten? The fact that you super chatted us. Thanks for the contribution.

And yeah, I don't really feel, that is the thing. I don't feel threatened by King anymore. It really bugs me. I think they have to do a lot of work. They have to really fix a lot. Because here's the thing, there might be a good portion of you that still love that and still feel threatened. I think it has made a lot of people, though. And you're going to have to win people over.

You just, you are in the position now where you have to win people over to feeling threatened by him. I have this. Jonathan Majors would watch the movies. He would know. You guys say a clip for John? They may just like, I didn't watch it because of acting choices. It's which I believe. I actually do.

My same issue with Scarlet Witch in Wondivision into Most Everton Madness. No, no, that's the, that is the issue. Malteverst Madness didn't relate to Wanda Vision. Like her art. Not a Justin Royland defender. Oh, my God. Who said that? Stop.

amazing. I'm not actually I mean, but in the same way. I amused. In the same way. I'm playing into the amusement of the absurdity of the claim.

I think in the same way multiverse undermines Scarlet Witch this undermined he who remains. I think like it's the same level of concern going into phase five that we have. Like I don't know how they fix Scarlet Witch now and I don't know how they fix Kang now. I think Scarlet Witch was great.

I thought she was so much more scary and met. Unlike this. Whatever qualms you might have with Scarlet Witch from the transition, which I completely understand, feeling like there's a gap there. I understand that. I think, though, the movie greatly succeeded, and she is threatening in that film. She is scary. And, like, when she's chasing them, like when she beats up the, not just beats up, annihilates the five people who are no, the fuck, the Eliminati. She illuminates.

Five guys, Burgess and she destroys them. and then this chasing, like, they could not beat her in that film that she had to make the choice to quit. Like, that's how, that's how badass she was at the end of the day. I felt more threatened by her than I did by King every step of the way. Sure. And so. That's fair. And I agree there.

Yeah. Yeah. How do they figure? Look, if you keep killing off King, he stops being scary. Now I'm getting triggered by someone's comment. Welcome to the comments, Greg. You bastards, reel me in to your comment. Fossil? Why do you think we stick to Super Chances?

It's probably, you're usually positive here. You do it here. But we keep reading. You like regular pockets. Fossil. 73. Got to go to the gym after this. Yeah, I got to work out again.

As an Ant-Man fan, I honestly had, how you doing, John? You get William Ozard in the chat wants to make sure you're doing good. Fossil's terrific. 73. We got your chap pulled up right in from us. As an Ant-Man fan, I honestly had such a blast with this movie. hell yeah i didn't find janet's need for secrecy a regular some someone who suffered through trauma but it did feel a slight bit too long overall excited for the future hey man as long as you

had a good time i will never try to convince you to feel otherwise even if we are stating opposite opinions throughout the stream please know that is not us at least my intention koi has a different intention rage he always thinks he's in a massive debate with you and he has to change your opinion he's trying to manipulate you John, same thing, especially John. If anyone knows John, oh, boy. He is not someone. You cannot have an open conversation with John about anything.

He's usually the biggest hater of them all. That's right. Coizabeth doesn't change based on his painting. Coys a page still James Gunn directly messages him. Sure. He'll be like hype up DC and talk down more full. Yeah, I just got a Fenmo from James Gunn, hold on. Yeah.

A gun mo. A gunmo. I like that it's his own app, but it's the DC logo. Yeah. you know what speaking really quick just one really quick thing my friend pointed out to me after seeing this that she seemed to think that what people

seem to want out of this movie is probably what you're going to get out of Guardians 3 and I could absolutely see that in what way in that this comes off as lighter and sillier and doesn't deliver on being these heavy stakes no one died no one really went through any life

changing alteration whereas Guardians is the funny team who is now going to have to deal with direct loss on screen a heavier scenario for them that will be less comedic though there are comedic elements blah blah blah blah I really need guardians

like that'll be my halit cleanser that'll be like me feeling like Marvel again core look at the camera a bit too long okay now Corey for this next time you talk I want you to look at the camera without blinking all right okay I just want you to give a whole

sentence okay sentences is there is there a question I'm building you up okay I can get you to tears. Luke Brose, thank you for the super chat, says the strongest king who got beat by ants, then I know that the other kings are not a threat. Dr. Doom has to be the big threat now. This ruin came from the jump to the point, to the point, has now a minor threat.

Coy, what do you think? Do you think it's actually a thing to build up? I think that you, I did. You already blinked, you son of a bitch. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. That's it.

I got no answer. All right, you can just look at us now. Okay, good. You can completely answer the question. I want the profile. I'm here. I think that basically in the comic books you've got a different medium right

In the comic books Kang dying has a different impact Than in movies dying It's the same reason I personally Don't want Steve Rogers or Tony Stark to come back If Tony Stark comes back I hope it's AI Because you can at least have a separation of reality

Where he's blue and digitized And if Steve Rogers comes back I only want it to be as old man Steve Basically doing Stan Lee cameos That implied that he is Stan Lee later And therefore makes it Steve Rogers Watching over his people Those are the only ways I want them to come back

Because if you have a variant of Steve Rogers this just Captain America and it's just played by Chris Evans, the arc and the loss of him is undermined. So the medium of filmmaking allows you to feel connected to the actors as well as the character in a different way. If Kang keeps dying in a way that makes you go like, well, he's not that important and then you meet a big one, you're still going to have the memory, the sense memory of your experience with Kang all those times. The reason horror movies work is because there's a part of your brain that doesn't separate the experience from real life. You're able to actually be afraid. That same issue will happen in the medium of comic book movies because you're

going to go, like, I've seen this guy be pretty taken out by ants. So, like, it's not going to feel like you can separate those things. So what works in the comics doesn't always work in the movies. That's why they're adaptations, not translations, and that's a really important distinction. So if Kang does keep getting taken out by things that feel trivialized and they do keeps going like, the next one's the big one, eventually we're going to run out of the ability to suspend disbelief enough to believe that he's the big bad. They describe him as versus that we've experienced him as. That's very true. Coy, can you flex for us? I think there is also just something about it is weird to be in this position where you only get one step at a time and

they have a big plan that spans so we can only react in real time you know like yeah we only have that you can you're forced to nitpick the plan in a way because you don't know what the full scope of it is right right like we won't know until the end and i i kept saying i'm really excited to rewatch phase four after i've seen phase six but they still need to make sure that Phase 4 and 5 earned that payoff, so it isn't only good retroactively. Like, Age of Ultron got better, but when you look at Age of Ultron, there's a lot of flaws that never even got solved. True.

Like, tripping balls, Thor in that bathtub still doesn't make sense. It does. In my head, canon, that's the Thor that we follow when Thor Love and Thunder. Think about that. We're watching two different times of the Thor. Oh, and Thor 5 will reveal it. I like Tycho, ITD, Thor just tripping. That makes so much sense.

I like that. That's what's happening. I've solved your love and thunder problem. Yes. It's just a head trip. Back to the stream labs here. Thank you to everyone who's been contributing. This means a lot.

I'm pretty sure Koi got us already demonetized with his talks about pedophilia. We'll delete that mark. We'll delete it. You said it. You just said it. You said it. You've already said it. Sorry, YouTube.

When will I say it? That's the question. When will we go for the trifecta? So here we are. We get Olivia, it's just a comment to block of just that word. Mois, Moi, Koi is cute. Wow. Oh, someone created an account just for you.

I'm honored. That makes up for some of the rage. Thank you for the stream lab. King is not threatening anymore, man. Four out of ten. Let me ask you guys this. Let me ask you a great podcast question. Let me ask you guys this.

Oh, wait. No, I totally skipped ahead. I will go back to you, Flav. Don't worry. I haven't forgot. Let's say King is met. Because it looks like in the post credit scene for Loki season two. That is the king.

When he who remains is talking, there was a king with like a beard and a big hair and stuff. That looks at when he's like... Victor Timely? Yes. Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying that he who remains when he's doing like some presentation for Loki, look like that was Victor Timely in there. Do you think if we see the Victor Timely, then die?

That's really going to undercut it? Do you think they'll kill off Victor Timely in Loki season two? Oh. I'm just trying to create it. Because we already got that question. I'm trying to create something like that. Yeah, no, no. If they...

But I appreciate the streamline. If they do. At some point, they got to stop, like, just killing. Because I think phase one. We learned a lesson about just killing villains. Like, I feel like a batch rock is the only, like, one of the first villains to actually, like, become an overarching villain. And I get that there's multiple kangs, but I do think there comes a point where if you just kill him, it's like, why is this guy, like, why are we worried about that guy, we kill a lot? Right, right.

So if they better not kill timely, because that would, that would mean, it could be the quantity. They could go with that, that every time you see a different version, because Kevin Feigey's been like, oh, man, we're going to meet so many different versions of this guy over all these movies. So maybe it's the quantity rather than any one per person. particular kang i don't feel like that'll that doesn't sound like a confident prospect as i say it out loud but you know maybe it'll kind of feel like the gray minion problem of phase one though where they're like we attack all these guys and they're all kind of a blur like i just don't feel like you need a doom presence sure yeah you do you need at least one who's that's why i like the idea of the exiled one going back and like actually like whipping all their asses because then then it

would have been oh man this guy is scary he's taking all the other kings um anyway flev dorin who's usually a massive Marvel defender. Just came by to say, hi, thank you, Fleb, for being here. Not much to say, disappointed. Yes, that's what I want to hear. Everyone who comes in here defending this movie? What's wrong with you, people? Agree with me.

That's how I live. I like the Advent films like Catherine Newton. Just watch the new SPN video. It's funny, John and I on patreon.com slash the real rejects. Another great way to support the channel is there's an episode with Catherine Newton, which really made both of us go, it seems like they saw this episode and

went, she should be Cassie Lang. That would have been, because she's phenomenal in that episode. And it's exactly the kind of character that I wish Cassie was more like. What's different? Just, I'm mad at my curiosity. Oh, you know, she has struggles. She has to learn how to be, she's trying to be a hunter. And she's learning how to act.

She's making a lot of terrible mistakes along the way, even though she's capable and has potential. getting it over her head she kind of carries the I feel no sense of trauma from Cassie Lang in this movie whereas like in the show

there's a sense of trauma even though like yeah you got your dad back and everything you still have that five years they do make her the most agreeable least you know conflicting version like she's in jail

but for like reasons you almost can't argue with and yes and I mean the arc funny enough the arc is in there it's just very slight, I would

say, that, yeah, I mean, I feel like what Cassie deals with in this movie is just like, oh, yeah, I guess I get myself in over my head before I really check to see if I got this and I should maybe know that I got this before doing that. And, yeah. Okay, I see what you're saying.

There is, yeah, it's down there. It's buried. Yeah, and it's like they present this interesting opportunity for her to be falling into Scott's past and his present simultaneously. And they never present that. And also, they don't do much with it, yeah. There's never a moment where Scott

identifies with his daughter during the freedom fighters fight which was just set up to parallel her being in jail to help the people in the beginning like they never actually acknowledge in a in a way like the freedom fighter stuff is so clearly like help the little guy he wrote a book about the little guy and then and then she's also like you don't help people that aren't directly in front of you i'm like those are all the things to make up a good plot but then it never lands yeah it does it comes about scott want to help the rebels ever ever it's never he ignores them he does it's right up he's over here he's straight up does it's all about i just go get my daughter back he literally at the end he's His arc is like, I'm going to be the same guy, but pretend for my daughter. If anything, they should have given that to Janet. Right. Just because Janet abandoned them, at least in their perspective. That's why I want her to stay. Like, Janet, they set her up for a character arc to redeem her. Because I understood it on the second time around, like, oh, yes, like, she helped King get just far enough, and then they had to deal with him.

And then she left. So I understand why she feels all this guilt about the situation. And the secrecy. Yeah. And so I'm like, well, then you should have probably given something to her to, like, go, I'm going to help them out. No, no. That's why I thought them retiring to the quantum realm like Florida. That would have been cool.

True. Caleb. Here's what Caleb has to say. Hey, you. Thank you for the stream lab, by the way. They're better than Super Chess. Probably won't take this compliment. Seriously.

But I genuinely think you guys are great male. World models. Greg immediately undermines as in real time as possible. It's amazing. Making sure that you are correct. You set me up, man. The way you guys speak openly. The way you guys speak openly and honestly about your thoughts and feelings and your appreciation of one another is inspiring.

That is so kind, man. Thank you. I don't deserve that, but thank you. We do appreciate each other. I won't even let this be sarcastic. This is like, I love doing this with these guys. And honestly, like I've said from the beginning, the reason I like these live streams is I do feel like I can be my most. authentic self, and that's because of these guys, and it's because of, like, the most of the audience.

Like, I know I get angry at nothing, which is my own issue, but, like, overall, this audience is absolutely incredible. He is not faking the show. He also sees it. I see you, Rick. Appreciate you guys. Thank you, Caleb. Thank you. Thank you, Kay. That's really sweet to you. And, yeah, I think, I think these guys are okay. I mean, if you knew me in real life, I'm not a good male role model, but, but, but, yeah, I very much appreciate the love.

John is a great moil rail model. I am a moyle, though. It's a good railroads. If you need to be circumcised, come to me. I was like, why do I know that word? I do it from men and tights. Yep. I know it because of Weird Al, actually.

Pretty fly for a rabbi. I like how it comments informed us about. It took me years to realize what a bar, the parents pay the moil, and he gets to keep the tip is. Oh, that's a good. That is a bar when you realize what the actual context means. Anyway, DeMata Test. Coy's dedication to passion

what he's passionate about is very impressive, and John is honestly probably the nicest guy you'll ever meet. It can be frustrating. Janine DeBean. Janine DeBean. Janine DeBean Machine. I liked the Pim Van Dyne

laying to think I was going to bring you on the channel, Janine. You don't shot yourself in the foot here, dear. If you disagree with us, I don't respect disposing opinions. The clan feeling like a team. Yeah, I like the potential for that. I do.

Also, like all the ants, ant visuals, as they weren't very present in Ant Man and the Wasp. How'd that grow on you, John? I know that was a real quamp. Because out of the three of us, John is the most enthusiastic about the first two Ant Man movies. I'll set you up for that question again soon.

Don't you worry, son. I got you. But yes, the ending in mid-credits deems the film events seemingly pointless and the second cool king we were investing in but yeah I mean really quick explain that thing that you were trying to say about like when you deal with the size

and the optics of changing from small to big like that's something I did feel was missing because there's so much fun about the first two where you're watching like little guy in real world exciting and you don't really get a sense of that visually you don't get lost in the wonder of that I think in this movie yeah because you're in the quantum realm

and the quantum realm is just a whole new place with its own set of at least visual rules and language. And so you don't have that familiarity to temper everything. It's not the charm of, oh, you're really small in a very familiar kind of commonplace. Like that whimsy goes away when everything is sci-fi whimsy. And so that sense of scope and scale is hurt by the fact that, yeah, like Kang's buildings don't really look like actual buildings. And so the frame of reference that you rely on to create the irony and the humor of that and the whimsy of that is,

It just needs something else to sell it, which I don't think is quite as apparent here. I feel like Giant Man is the thing that gets to shine the most here. They don't do much in the way of sizing up an item and throwing it at somebody. Like, none of those things really happen, and I do miss them. Although, I will say, the thing that clicked about the, partly about the third viewing is all that stuff at the end, especially with the ants and stuff. It did read better, and it did feel a lot more fun because everything got more fun and silly. That last ant moment is one of my favorite Ant-Man moments in the entire trilogy. I love when Hank shows up with the ants, honestly.

I think that's such a moment. I just don't like what it cost us. It's silly. It's very silly, and I get why people don't like it in this movie's context, but I think that silliness, the third time I was finally able to enjoy that, which is part of what I want for Mant Man, Man, and felt like was missing the first couple times. So Kevin Feigey presented this at the L-CAP yesterday, and he referred to something as like, thanks for being here for number 31.

Excited to see you guys for number 32. and my co-host on Koicast is always like they should stop calling them Aunt Man whatever they should just call them Marvel 31 Marvel 32 and it was interesting to hear that from Kevin Faggy for the first time and I think this might be the first time where I found it I need the three-act structure

to also feel like a nine-act structure and I feel like they did a really good job in phase one through three making those bubbles work but this was one of the first times I was like this doesn't the cost of building cost this movie its own three-act structure that's true so that was my issue I think with the Hank moment was like I love that moment but it cost Yeah, there are all kinds of things you can flip-flop.

And somebody said, like, I'm not asking it to be the same as the previous movies with, like, regular-ass buildings. I'm just saying they need to bridge the gap of that part of the fantasy with something else that doesn't really appear here. Anyway, I will stop talking in this life. Silence feels the edge. John. Get so defensive. These things are fun to talk about, but I got to. We got to move up.

Do you know how many questions we have? I know. Do you know how often we fall behind to like, we are two hours behind here? I'm going to have a serious conversation with you right now. It's off camera, Greg. It's off camera, Greg. Greg is in control. Turn the camera off of the comments section of the day.

Anyway. What a bad story? Yeah. Go. Go. Go, go. This is my worst movie in the MCU. Thank you.

All hail, Annabat Lurie. Didn't care for any character in the movie. Yeah. Kang's introduction to the mainstream audience didn't match up to even, if there's even a 1% of what the last episode of Loki did. This could have been better off as a 50-minute Disney Plus special. I don't agree with that. Yeah, I think this could have used it a little bit more time.

I think it could have been like a 2.20. Like a good, like, yeah, I think it could have been like a good two hours. Cosby going to said two hours and 40 minutes. I'm like, what do you think you are John Wick, chapter 4? Yeah, two hours of 50. Come on, man. Yeah. I think 20 more minutes with some of the things we described really really helped it.

I also, it is less than two hours. In fact, it is an hour in 53 when you get to the credits. Wow. You notice that on the third viewing, right? No, I noticed that on the second. On the second viewing, because Andrew was right next to me. And the movie started after seven, and it was, it was like, it was before nine or something like that when we got to the mid, when we got to just the beginning of the credits, not even the mid-credit scene. Yes.

So it is like an hour, it's less than two hours of movie. Shenanigans. Shenanigans, I say. All right. Human Target. That's what we call a coil around here. I keep thinking of Tron Legacy, down a Kang behind. clue and raging against the

surface world and Janet taking the place of Jeff Bridges okay the effects of Modoc reminded me of Jeff Bridges from Metro that's what I thought

I thought of Jeff Bridges and Scorpion King Final flight And George Lopez from Spike Kids Yes Yes yes yes yes Greg got an accent for a second Yes

Of course Mold of the dog Let's all take a 10-minute break to do bait impressions, people. No, no. Final fight was cool. But I wish the trailer story was the one we got.

Also happy to see Krived Throis. Coy thrives since movie fights. That's true. Screen Junkies days. That's true, man. Yeah, Coy, I've never, I never fought you on movie fights. We did never fight in movie fights.

We never fought. We could have been a great battle. That would be so intimidating. That would be very intense. The strict of movie fights. You just got to have a great opening and a great closing. And the speed round is my closing.

That's the trick. That's the trick to all debate. The middle and all you want. Yeah. Close it out. It's about how you close that bitch. Act one and three are the most important. People stop listening in the middle.

Yes. All righty, guys. All right, we're done with today's stream. I'm just going to cut a short. But I don't understand is when people go on live streams, when people do live streams and they don't read all the super chats. People do that? Yeah.

Have I heard of this channel called? and rock there's a glitch there's a glitch in the live screen it happens on too many channels too many channels they do it at well look at wowie oh my god quantum realm craziness quantum screen oh my god all right what are we doing guys are seeing behind the scenes this is behind the curtain this is how it works around here guys

um all right speed round john answered the questions in the chat that are happening right now. Yes, for sure, I agree. Harley Quinn's show does the Bain Voice the best. I have to see it. I've never seen Harley Quinn, but people love it. I didn't know that. Dude, it's so good.

Oh, really? Yeah, like, I think it's the best DC property since Nolan's Batman. Like, it is, I think, the best thing since people are. I'm not really ending the streamcast. I'm just reloading some pages. I know, but people are all I can see in the chat is rock star. Rockstar, I agree, Nicholas. You are a rock star.

Allison Mello, you make me say, wow, every time I see you. David Ebekeme, let's laugh together, lulls. Nick Hoken, you're invited, too. We can just lull on top of one another. Ooh, finding the disappointment with the mid-credit scene force. I can't see how you think it was cringy or stupid. It was awesome. One of the best credit scenes in the MCU.

Okay, so that's, I don't understand how people can tell people that how they feel is not how they feel. I think that's my biggest reason for getting angry in any live jet is like, it's a very odd thing to be like, I feel one way you feel the other, so you don't actually feel that way. Now I know why people don't read live chat. It's insane. It's because people like Koi exists. I feel like there is a strange. There is a strange equation of experience because you see something and I feel like, I don't know, it feels like the truth to you.

But at the same time, it's not objective. It's all subjective. It's all what is what it comes back. Unless it's door, love, and thunder. In which case. Yes. I'm not going to resist the urge to talk about that. Defended, John.

I'm almost done loading. we got a lot of super checks. I clearly like most of phase four a lot better than most people do. I like most of phase four. I think people dog phase four but I feel like every I feel like people look back on the first three phases and what

they're really thinking about is phase three because phase three is so consistent whereas paces one and two have ups and downs all over the place and okayish to pretty good movies all over the place and the only thing phase four is lacking is a definitive like Iron Man or something like that where it's like, this is a flag.

Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever come close to that, but they are also hampered by other things, too. Phase two also has the benefit of phase three, retroactively improving things, and we again haven't gotten to that point with phase four, having the benefit of five and six. Except for Thor, the Dark World. Which has never been sold. They've just... Keep on adding importance to that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is that all the importance can be added to these

phase four things, and people just aren't giving it that benefit. It worked, I'm silent. Olivia Hamlin Thanks for the super chat Every time you guys think I'm not allowing you to get something off your chest that you want to say I know these streams well enough to know

It's eventually going to come around Olivia Hamlin All the good questions about the movie are probably addressed by now Fair enough, thanks for the super chat So just have a wonderful Saturday, you wonderful beauties Thank you so much Cheers to you. G-Fuel. I like the movie just so I stay

on theme but appreciate your honest thoughts real coy Jex for life new channel name there it is guys we're gonna call it taking it over that's what we're gonna call it it's where we should name the podcast boy what did I just say did you just did you just soft announce a thing too many

Panther rules here we are in my opinion still going I really I know I'm regretting that I really love the mid-credit scene. I can see why people love it. I'm happy for him. And if the silliness of the overall experience is working, it plays better in isolation. Well, some people don't find it silly. Some people really like it. Okay, I got a

question to mix up the mid-credit thing really quick. Really quick. When I say really quick, I hope to God it's really quick. No rants. They say they beat him. And to my mind, I was registering that as the king that we just witnessed in Amman and the Lost Quantumania. But there are people me if that is the case that makes the journey of this film even more pointless if that is the case

but who do you think they're talking about? Either one undermines Kang but I like the first one I like the He Who Remains concept because at least that's clever like it's more playful sure but I do worry either one makes it so like who are those

why are those guys important right but I like that idea also it could be they're talking about someone in Kang Dynasty and we could see that scene take place in that film in a different Kang. All together. Oh, my God, there's so many Kangs. Yes, Nick Hoken. You can see that now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were able to do it. It's just to dispute it. Frank Shields. Everyone, I want you to know. I hope that we got another King, a version of Kang the Conqueror, because this is the definitive King version and he got beat by ants.

Nope. Nope. In the words of Daniel Kaluya, nope. Underrated movie Have you guys seen the Pedro Pascal Hollywood Have you guys seen the What is that? Have you guys seen any of the Pedro Pascal

sketches from S&L? A couple. He is hilarious. The Hollywood quiz one, you guys haven't seen it? I didn't have written this up last live screen. But you have talked about the Hollywood quiz. Yeah.

Oh my God. There's something in there reminds me with that. But yeah, Frank Shields, I understand. Apparently they specifically said the exiled one in that mid-credit scene. So that would be the one. But there could be other exiled gangs, but you're right,

it's probably the one in the film we just saw. According to, apparently the language. They talk about exile. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah. It has to be pretty specific. It wouldn't make sense. He who remains creative,

but he seems to have more autonomy. It's interesting because he is. And that's all I have to say about that. Same. Huh? I wasn't even thinking at that time. Oh, sorry. John's ahead of the program.

Michael Loco. Let's do this, buddy. Michael Loco. you're loco my impression was that the variance of gang will work together to keep the dynasty so the Avengers had to outsmart instead of outnumber him or rather

them it pushes the heroes to think further outside the box verse I like the way you phrase this and I also agree I don't get it so basically it's not like we described with the gray minions where it's going to be a numbers game

it's going to be like the singularity of Kang's uniting with for like as a front so the king dynasty is like what they've built but i do think they also need a a figurehead to represent a singular threat so the avengers have to think in a way that is both uh larger than the threat collectively and singularly and i think that'll make it a different threat than than thanos but i also think we need a kang that represents something as threatening as canos for us to feel the impact of what he's describing did everyone hear her say canos canos Canos. You got to hear him say canos?

Josh Boland is canos. Canos. Leave a like for canos. That's the variant where the infinity gauntlet is made from recycled materials. Canos. Just like Mountain Dew.

P-S. Yeah, 7-Up. Cream soda. Sun-kissed. Which is spelled sin-kissed, which bothers me. Jones. Heather Geer. Thank you, Heather Geer, my dear. Thanks, guys, for your time

discussing. Thank you for your time. listening how do you feel about introducing characters like Kang initially in an MCU show first that was awesome I loved his introduction still one of the best moments for Marvel for me do you think they have done MCO show film crossover as well so far not really they haven't really done much for and if you listen to Coy's little transition about Wanda vision to Dr. Strange I feel like some might argue they didn't do it so well I feel like there's still a lack of I am

very confused I'm very confused about the direction because I love the idea of like every character has within themselves, their own universe, because that's how comics are. Every character within themselves has their own universe. But the rules of everyone's universe is so varied now, where you have the quantum sci-fi side, you have the god side with Thor, you've got like the supernatural other god's side with moon night.

This Marvel has their own afterlife with the veil. That's my point. Like Black Panther has the astral plane. There's so many different ancestral plane. Yeah, Canos. So there's so many different. like elements here and different worlds. I'm like, how does this

mesh together exactly? Are they going to care to even explain that? Like, because in the comics, they don't really even care to do that. They just have, like, there's a common threat that is United the Avengers. That's really the vibe all the time. I think that they're doing a decent job,

but I do think there's a lot of confusion if you don't have at least the backup of information. We know more about it than the average person, so it's hard for us to say. I don't really know how... We're the Council of Comics. We know. But, like, I don't know how the average person feels about, like, who's this person. Like, did the post-credit scene impact people that much that hadn't seen Loki?

Like, you know what I want to know? I can't know that because I love Loki. No, I will say I talked to somebody who saw this without seeing Loki and was intrigued by the mid and post. Well, I think the Loki scene really does a good job at least, even if you don't really understand it makes you go, I want to know. Right. It has a good job. I'm making you go, I might not get it, but I want to. to understand this and that's

one more can you ask for. Mostly I get confused on what kind of interconnectivity we're supposed to expect because I feel like they hyped us up for like these are going to cross over in a big way and it hasn't been that like overt as of yet. Because they didn't even have zombie strange and I don't know if I'm expecting

too much of that versus what's going to take an awkward standing break guys. What they're actually promising. Also if they can move so many shows this year right we're now only confirmed two shows it might end up being three but they said, like, it is, Jeff, we're getting definitely two shows. There was up to five rumored in 2023.

If they can move those so flippantly, how much could they have connected? Yeah. Well, and I mean, obviously has to. Like, Agatha clearly didn't have to. And I think you have to asterisk so much of the TV, the Disney Plus and movies era because it's all been mid-pandemic. Right. There is a different tone.

And just other world factors affecting things. We should look at Greg. I'm just going to put it in his live stream. Well, I'll look there. But I agree. Bring back the Russo brothers. I agree. I think they should act.

I don't know. I, like, they're capable, yes, but I don't find it especially exciting. I think Marcus and McPhile are also a factor. The writers should also, like, if you want to bring back the Russo tone, you need the writers that did all of their films as well. Oh, dude, man. If they can do the gray man before the MCU, it would be great. I love the great man. at that point.

I like the gray man a lot more than Quantumania. Not a big fan of gray man. Really disappointed. Cocaine bear is going to be a problematic one. I have no idea.

And we might do it. We might just censor the title and then not show up in search. Coca-Cola. Call it. Call it. No. Call it snow bear.

Pounder. I don't know. They might have whitelisted the word cocaine bear on YouTube. James Argenta. thank you james i think this king will become the beyonder also think it will be revealed king enterprises bought avengers tower oh yes i feel like that has been a theory i don't know i like i like in

king dynasty when they're like in uh in the king dynasty comic run one of the cool things about it is kang does show up see the one hope i have is if they're going off king dynasty to some extent because they always change this shit up is they've already beat King before so they're like we got this shit right but King has learned some shit because he's been beat they really undermine

just how brilliant his plan is and then he dominates and it's a pretty epic moment when he dominates like it's a bunch of comics but then they have one comic where there's literally I think it's called there are no words I think that is the name of it and there's one comic where he does it it's so

bleak and you could feel it like you're reading a movie where it's only images and to me that's my one hope of why they would bring back this exiled king because he lost and it would make kind of like how Loki lost in

Thor but then he comes back in Avengers even though it was never really threatened by Loki it would still make this king like I've learned a lot since then I'm really I'm more than prepared yeah I'd love that and I'd love if they do it silently it'd be really beautiful if they have that reflect in this that that's a way you could do an annotation

like a 10 minute and four minute like silent section yeah and then he's like and i've had a son hang in there mortis he's a scarlet's a story hang in there homza you're coming up homza don't worry don't worry homza there's a reason i try to move this along and then it upsets two people on this stream for some reason life of seven to eight i was hoping at the end of the movie when they exited the portals that the world would be several hundred years into the future where king is king and that sets up big five to fix things. Hundreds of you. Some people get excited about Rama Tutt.

And I'm like, didn't the Fantastic Four beat him? Yeah, someone in the chat said Rama Tutt's stronger than a mortis. And I'm like, I feel like a mortis is the guy. It was in the pyramid days. Yeah, he got his asswhips. He went into mid days. There were no smartphones. I think that would have been really fun and also the consequences we were talking about.

But even the point when he came. back and he like looked. There was a moment the first time I watched it when he looked out with the little dog and also the coffee was $12. I was like it'd be cool if they just went like 20 years in the future. Like just a little bit of a thing. So there was a consequence. Or you realize something is off about this universe and that dog is really

this woman's baby or something. Right. Right. When they looked at the dog, I'm like, is you going to talk? Like this moment I was like, is it Cosmo? Like my brain left. And I was like, nah, he's just back in San Francisco. Yeah. What did you guys think about? Nope. I will not derail us. Eon Blotch. Oh, Bucky Barnes. Good to see you. Hey, Bucky, good to see him, buddy. That's his real name, Bucky Barnes.

Respect. This movie is an 8 out of 10 for me. Hell yeah. I thought it was pretty good. Not over-the-top amazing and didn't love it, but I liked it. I thought some of the jokes were hit or miss, and King was terrifying. Ant-Man grew 400. Mother fucking feet tall. Did he? I think you can measure, I think you can measure it, and yeah, it was 400 feet, exactly. 400 microns of... How come... I do have a question of... about that, guys.

Allow me to pose a question here. How come he wasn't, is there something I'm missing? I'm genuinely going to pose a question here. Question incoming. What? Greg's Lergis is running so long. That's the code for, I'm actually asking you a question. Now, question incoming will be the accepted parliens.

We just saw it, I heard it. Okay. Is how come a giant man wasn't exactly tired after he was Giant Man for a very extended period of time. Because he was still small, but big. But why was Cassie, then? That's why the Energy Logic didn't work. I took that as it's her first time doing the Giant Walk.

Isn't she still tiny? Still, uh, 500 Alicia Silverstone. There's no perfect. There's no perfect way to look at it because you're correct. Yeah, it's like technically, technically you would still have tiny person metabolism. just altered for being slightly bigger, but you're still much smaller than you're normal?

I don't know. Don't you think they were prepared to have some form of citrus pill on them that could easily be digestible? My friend hit me to the fact that's a drugs joke. I didn't realize. That's like a Molly LSD joke. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Actually, I didn't put it together with that, but you're totally right. I love that. I love drug jokes. Star Wars Sith, thank you so much. Do you guys think that King the Conquer didn't really die at the end and maybe somehow survived?

Or was he, like, dead dead? That's the question. I mean, if the other kings are the better, smarter ones, and they're saying he's dead, I'm going to take their word for it. But if he's not, then it's like, okay, I guess the kings don't really know anything and are not good at fighting. You know, I feel like it undercuts those kings then. Yeah, he needs to be alive for the sake of my faith in this Kang dynasty. But the other kings think he's dead, right? Doesn't that undercut their ability to have some knowledge on?

shit if they believe he's dead oh yeah either way oh i didn't even think of that yeah either way it shows a weakness in kang yeah because either they're not as omnipresent or he was not great yeah the end was truly a kang bang bucky blinds kang bang kang bang um yeah yeah cool hey he gets sucked into a thing he can come back he doesn't die die regalia talon everyone i want you to know this Coy, if Marvel hired you for writing would you or do you be I see more as a consultant instead of the actual writer. If they hired me as

like story by, not like the actual typist, I would be interested because when I read my actual writing back, it sounds like I talk and I abuse and mutilate this language on purpose. Like I enjoy the organic nature of English because it's a growing language and I like to

verb my nouns and noun my verbs and use adjectives and adverbs interchangeably. Burb my nouns and nouns. Bars. But I think it's more fun to use language in a fluid way And I think that's not as conducive in the written form And also the reason I stopped acting is I didn't feel good about other people's language in my mouth And even worse when I hear other people use my language

It sounds weird So I think if I wrote, it would be very odd For another person to try to articulate in the way that I wield language But as stories go, I do think I could bring a lot to Marvel As far as shaping things Yeah, it's quite duplicitous of you Quite zeal quite implicitly to see you

the coy nest the coy of it all yes yes yes sorry for being sincere for a moment sorry we don't do that not here not we don't do that only when we're watching movie trailers

j colby p don't ask that question Gabriel we're going to get a wormhole here thank you for the super chat the film was just average majors was the best part but seems like he elevated the character than the scripted.

Hey, Joan, question. Do you think it suffers from the same issue as Iron Man to an age of Ultron where it just felt like setup? Uh, kind of up until the end of where the setup is a bit confusing other than the idea that more Kangs will come in some fashion. Yeah, sure. You know, like I actually forgive it certain things because it is just the beginning and it's just here to say, this is the big bad we're going to have to deal with moving forward so it is like in a way its own contained innocuous adventure that just happens to be setting up a very significant figure but uh you know i say i can't give it that beginning forgiveness sure because i'm like it's five it's the fifth beginning and i think they ought to be stronger by this point but someone did have a good point in the chat which uh was that he he got sucked into the corner that sent him to the beyond where he's to come back as beyonder it came that theory i like that theory that sounds pretty solid yeah it's a good theory i got a little bit of a g-fuel on my mouse here so that's like glitching a little bit

uh flying squirrels 83 thank you so much i wish people would discuss how wasp displayed so little of her own agency or got an arc in a movie called ant man in the wasp yeah boo um i'll be there in 20 seconds i i agree in that i must answer to my wife she's being called She is my Ravona Renslayer. Go forward. I like the idea that she was in the chat. We didn't see it. Now she's doing it manually.

I agree with this statement. And that's also why. Oh, this is our one. Flying Squirrel, you're honored with 20 minutes of this. Oh, what I miss? What happened? Oh, I agree. I think that's why I wanted the Ant Man of the Wasp to be Hank and Janet, because I think

Janet had a lot more to do. I feel like a wasp in this film was Janet Van Dyne, which is the comic book's original wasp. So I think the ending that I had with it being Amman in the Wasquantamania about Hank and Janet would have allowed for this. It also is kind of strange that she got that ending moment

after a movie of like, she only saved the day. Like she swooped in and grabbed him probability. She saved him at the very end, but like we didn't get to spend a lot of time with her. That's why I would have had Hank kind of off on his own C plot and then let them be back and forth because I did feel like Wasp was missing much like she wasn't the first film. Oh, hello there.

there's a dog oh my here's the situation in reality people if we see an animal in pain we got to go help it so there was a dog outside our home and it looks really frail

and sick and it's clearly alone and we don't know who it belongs to so we're going to try to help can you close that door and keep the dog in here this dog is struggling right now so I'm going to step out from the stream for just like five minutes and go hit up some neighbors

because right now neighbors have no idea who this very ill dog belongs to. It's shaking. It's definitely sick. His nose is doing a thing. And he's thirsty. So we're going to get him some water first. There he is right here. You can see he's scared and alone.

And so you look like perito. The wife and I are massive animal lovers. He's like a little Pixar dog. And he's definitely, his tongue is out, which is a bad sign. And I'm not going to let this dog. suffer right now. Yeah, no, lick you. That too, probably.

But we're going to get him some water, but he has to stay in here because we've got four cats and I don't want it to get attacked. So we're going to, like, this stream just got a little more exciting for a couple minutes right now. You're looking out for the little guy.

It's a very real, real moment right now. And John, let's assume the old positions here. Sure, yeah, yeah. The wasp. I want him to feel comfortable and I might get a little sick a hole in him. I just worry about like whatever's

going on, yeah. Be careful. Yeah. Be careful and love it. I'm going to be right back. By all means. Yeah, the WASP thing is I don't know. I mean like, yes, you're taken aback by the fact that she is such a slight character and I feel like the

most cathartic moment that hope gets is that little moment at the end where they tell each other that they love each other. I thought that was nice. But yeah, in one breath with an aunt family, I can understand how in certain installments, certain people are more prominent, certain people are less prominent.

That's actually kind of fine with me. I do think the way the movie presents hope, though, you just feel like scenes were taken out, and there's not really like a reconciliation with Janet in a cathartic or... I feel like her and Janet reconciling

in some kind of meaningful way after all of this, and after Hope being the one, it was like, Mom, open up. I feel like that would have been. good but her not being like her not being like a huge focus isn't that big of a bummer but it would be nice to see her have an actual sense of agency or like prominence even though she isn't getting the lion's share of the moments or screen time and the ant man in the wasp being two sets of people i feel like it was almost set up like i really like scott's respect for hank that

they directly called out i really like the the two janet hope moments that we got but like that could have been a lot deeper for me. Everett Brown in the chat wants to know and I asked my friend this directly after talking to them last night. Y'all think Kang slept with Janet. I think they definitely got it. Oh, 100%

did at some point. She saw his Nathaniel Richard a few times. I definitely think he conquered and there were some moments in that quantum realm that were quantum mania between the sheets. And I'm very excited for her because I feel like Jonathan Majors knows what he's doing. I feel like there was a Minaja

Quantum going on. I also think there's a lot of Kangs. Is it even a orgy if they're all the same person? That's the question.

Are you like a little Italian greyhound chihuahua? He's such a fascinating creature. You are a... I've never seen a dog quite like this. Yeah.

His face is like a Pixar character. I'm fascinated that you wound up Oh, and he can stand on his hind legs. Hey little dude? He's like a greyhound mouse. Oh, buddy.

It's okay. He's also a little blind. You're good. How old are you? Michael. Michael Loco. He's a little. as we dip in and out.

He like certain his hind legs like a human for a second. Yeah, he wanted to read the chat. He's been like trying to hang out. He is fascinating. He's here to talk about Ant-Man. He's getting calmer. Yeah, he's immediately not as shaky.

He just keeps like bumping into it. I don't think he can see so good. He's coming to check us out and stuff like that. He's got some little tumors or cysts and stuff. Yeah, he's definitely a vibe. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. Yeah, you want to see Uncle Coy?

Yeah, he definitely smells Spidey Cat. Michael Loco. Thank you for jumping in. for contributing to the chat. Maybe write Kang like Light Yagami from Death Note. I feel like anytime you say maybe write somebody like Light Yagami from Death Note, you're asking for like a huge task of literary...

Maybe make Citizen King. Sure. Sure. Citizen Kang! Let's do it. But where he actually just runs a newspaper. Very exciting multiverse. He's bored with progressive steps, skips to the end, and is full of himself thinking he will win. Sure. I mean, yeah, absolutely. Like, I think that's a good call. Like, then, though, you need everyone else to be L is the problem, maybe? I don't know. It's a good proposition.

If you have it as a singular film, like, I'd love the idea of Kang doing all of that. Like, we talked about the setup. And then at the end, they have to undermine it. Like, that could work for a, for a movie to do and then follow it up. But yeah. Yeah. I like, I like Kang as Light Yagamy. I like that, at least, idea. Dan V-900 But even that Even Death Note Had a bit of trouble Keeping that consistent And paying that all the way off

Six neighbors later You find You find who his dog it was? Yeah Oh damn It's just a really old dog But the neighbor Yeah I asked the neighbor

A showed a photo And the neighbor was like Oh I know who dog belongs to Amazing Who boy Greg's an Avenger There's a lot of running Anyway

How's the stream You guys still in the same question No, Dan, we've done a couple questions. And the chat. Do you think that Janet and Kang did it when they were down there in the quantum realm stranded together? Yeah, definitely, a thousand percent. Why wouldn't she? She has needs.

She said so. Who wouldn't do King? It's Jonathan Major. She's buff. Ready for it. See, the way he moves when he's fighting Ant Man? Of course he would. He moves so fast, maybe rapid speed.

After getting that old ass Hank Pim, who's like grouchy. True. Even when he was young, he was just like moody. Just always grumpy. He's a ride guy. There's a death to Jonathan. Major's eyes that no one can rhyme. I'm catching it.

I'm sorry. I'm just, I mean, yeah, it wasn't a bit fast. I'm very impressed. He did good work. No, no, we're on Davey. When it comes time to saving animals, always

take the chance. Yeah, we're on Denby. Okay. Yeah. Guys, Dan Vy 900, listen. Everyone, I got a question for you. I just can't want to talk about it. You got this.

Baby, you're so, you're so money. I didn't buy Cassie, calling Hank, grandpa, where they had no time to get close. But if there's anything, There was one, is everything fine, babe? All right. Hank was dusted.

I don't understand the quantum realm as a child and figuring out. Hank wasn't like himself either. Oh, yeah, Hank was dust. So when would you have had time? Right. I was like, I think that's cool they bonded. Well, yeah. I immediately assumed you're right.

That's just true. So what did they have a year? What? You're right. That is a great point. When would they have bonded? in that one year after she was recast I totally forgot

there's a lot of weird stuff that happens off screen and then doesn't quite check out with the timeline I mean it's a good thing the villain doesn't have anything to do with time where they can make that useful

Coy I see what you did please Coy I wonder if we get to meet Linda in the next movie J Colby P Modoc hey Coy is what you said Modoc gave me

George Lopez and Shark Boy and Lava Girl vibe But respect to that Robert Rodriguez trilogy's name. Yeah. Is it a trilogy now? I know they made a second one. It's not a trilogy. It's a 3D.

It's just, no, no. Sharp Bar LaVagherles' its own movie. Yeah, and then they made the follow-up, like, a couple years ago. There's four Spy Kids movies, one Shark Boy and Lawbrugger. Two Shark Boy and Lava Girl. So there's five. The first one's with Taylor Lottner.

Yes. Yeah. So there's five films in the Spy Kids saga. A trilogy of Spy Kids and Two Shark Boy Lava Girl, correct? But they're not Spy Kids movies. No, there's four Spy Kids movies. Oh. I thought it was all connected.

I was young. No, they just look this. I was just young. I just saw them when I was a child. They have the Robert Rodriguez Green Screen Family movie aesthetic. Yeah, so I thought it was one. Okay.

Omni Bray. Went to see Quantumania Thursday. I admit it. You guys liked it better when I wasn't here. Amid it. Did they say it? Is that what they said? The stream, it's all we talked about.

There were a bunch of super chats. Thank God. You guys sent a dog in here to get rid of me. That's right. We played the long game. About an hour and a half in, send in the house. I didn't release the hounds. We'll get rid of Greg for six to seven minutes.

And then we can go as off-road as we want. We're going to talk about Major's bone and fifer. That was insane. That dog came in looking like the end of Santa's Little Helper's life. I was very worried for Santa's Little Helper. I was like, what is happening? Thank God for the misses. As much as she makes a lot of sarcastic cracks in the chat

She might be mean to me and John, but she is not mean to animals No, it's true. If we were animals, she'd be nicer to us. We should become animals. Ask her to treat you like your animals. That's fair. That's fair. That's all we ask. I hear the way she talks to those cats, man. I would be so encouraged all the time.

So motivated. The villain of guardians could help that happen. Went to see Quantumania Thursday and was honestly satisfied. like how King said is like a Janet. Thank you. Do you think this movie sets up King as a big bad villain well?

He's great, but I'm split. I'm a little split too. This is the one time with Facebook, I'm like, I'm going to wait to see how they handle some care. I'm not 100% confident. But, you know, the introduction of King was in he who, it might just depend on what property he's in or what project he's under.

Because Thanos, it's like you get, you get like little bits here and there, like guardians or something. Like, little Omni Teases. It's kind of a bold move to be like, he's going to be the main villain instead of just having to be a tease, you know? Minus undercutting from certain plot elements.

I think it does a good job of establishing his presence. I think it does a good job of showcasing him as a performer. I think Jonathan Majors gets Kang, so I think that gives me confidence. And I feel like Christian Bale doesn't get enough credit for doing a good job as Gore. He's terrific when he's on screen. Every time he wasn't God butchering.

But people like, it's funny, Because they give, they don't give Gore to the God Butcher a pass. But people give this a lot of a big pass because of how great Jonathan Majors is. Oh, that is interesting. Because the performances are both amazing. Yeah. But I think that we had more screen time with Majors. They ruined Gore the God Butcher.

It's because he, it probably doesn't help it. He's called God Butchers. Yeah, they just don't show it that much. But I don't think they ruin him. No butchering, no conquering. Chibis died. It's not with a why. That's okay.

What if the reason we have not seen Reed is because 616 Reed is the direct ancestor of He Who Remains, and the Kings are currently hunting him and F4. I don't think they give a shit enough about Reed Richer is enough to find him, do they? Well, and they would have to find him in the 60s, right? And they confirm the movies in the 60s? I think this is all, I think there's one thing we've learned by getting into Phase 5 is we have a lot of theories that sound way cooler than what often the movies end up doing themselves. So when they deliver, they have to reserve that. That's why, like, the ending of endgame is so powerful.

Because you're like, this is ever there, I ever got to fucking want it. Why, no way home is so powerful. Because we're like, holy, you know, that's, but a lot of the time, I think we, we often set ourselves off. It's really not trailers that are the problem. It's us. It's the fear, I think, where we get a little carried away. Well, yeah, a few things inspire such a constant and such a comprehensive. Rehensive theory cycle, yeah.

And then when they have a couple of movies that end up doing it, then we're like... The bars change forever. The bars change and we expect our expectation only increases now. That's an interesting point, no cap. Kang doesn't have access to the most powerful weapon in this movie, which is time because the quantum realm does exist outside of space and time. So that's a fair point, actually. But that's why it's hard to introduce Kang in a way that has him depowered because

the movie should, yes, affect phase five, but the movie itself should work. Like, the good thing about phase one through three is most of the films. 80% of the films worked as their own thing as well as set up. The reason Iron Man 2 doesn't work is it felt too set up.

But, like, I feel like they didn't learn that lesson in the direction they needed to. And I feel like that's why they're course correcting, but it should also work as its own thing in addition to being like, wow, it's crazy how connected it was. And my concern now is they're trying to appeal too much to every,

they have to appeal to everyday audiences, but they need to also appeal to the people that had the endgame experience, the people that know the lore. And I feel like it needs to be both for the people screaming on Reddit and the people that are like, oh, I'm just going to watch this movie. And I feel like Amman only appealed to that, oh, I'm just going to go watch this movie audience. That's something I've noticed talking to multiple people

is that the people who aren't, who check into the MCU sometimes have been enjoying things, I think, a lot more lately than people I talk to who are up on everything and really focused on the overarching level. And hey, it made $120 million. It's tracking. Do Do really well. And I'm really happy for the artists and the creators. But I do think there's a thing where they cared more about this side of focus more before.

And that might go back, but it might not. Yeah. Yeah, B-Sitima. Gannon Fish. Thoughts on the small characters like Vab, Modoc, and Bill Murray. To the rejects, I appreciate all you all have done for us comic book nerds. I appreciate John and Coy more than the mirror. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Myself. Yeah. I haven't even looked at myself today. That's how much our speech are you guys. I've been looking at you. See that? I know.

I know. It's weird. I'm learning. I think he's looking into our pupils so he can see himself of them. That look great. I look at lighting. Does the reflection in my eyes reflect the way I also see you? Is it how you see me that I see myself now?

Yeah, exactly. I like that. I like VAB is whole sky? Yes. Yes. I like Vab. That's the smulching, yeah. He was the one I really, he was the most enjoyable.

I didn't, a lot of people thought that was like such a easy plot narrative with the whole, like, they get to hear people. And I'm like, I don't get it. I'm like, fuck it. No, that's perfect. We're going to be the quantum. That's the doctor who shit. That's fine. I am just, I would have been more bothered if everyone's speaking English.

That would have, then I would have been like, why is everyone speaking English out here? That's the thing in Star Wars that happens. Shouts out to Cheaty from the good place, too. I thought he did a good job. But Bill Murray, it's interesting that they would have Bill Murray. The thing that I found interesting is that they have, he was kind of funny at first. But I thought Bill Murray overall did a good job in that scene. He showed up.

When he transitions, yeah, he doesn't look like he's laughing at the material. It looks like he took it seriously. And he made the situation feel more realized, in my opinion. Like he shows up charming, that Aristotap personality. Yeah. And then when he takes that switch where he's clearly. bothered by Janet and he had to succumb to King and give in to this

I bought it. I thought he did a good job. It doesn't, for some reason, it doesn't leave an impression at the same time, though. That's the weird part because no one's talking about it and like no one talks about it. How late did it take for Bill Murray to get brought up into the stream? Yeah. No one really talks about it and

I think it's cool that they had Russell Crow, a very serious actor show up to do something funny, and then they had Bill Murray show up to do something serious. Sure. I like that. I thought it's going I thought everybody in the cast did a good job, no matter how slight, like, a Jitora or whatever the warrior woman is. Like, she is written so wrote. But I liked her presence.

The guy who could read minds, I thought he did a great job. I forget the actor's name. William Jackson Harper. I thought he did a great job. I thought they're going to make that woman Robona for a second. Yeah, I thought so, too, like a different version of her. I thought, would that be more interesting. Kennedy.

I bet I gave any of that comic, Greg. It ruined your expectations. I know, it did. I shouldn't read source material. Don't read comics. Don't read comics. The lesson from the rule. That's what I'm about.

I bet at the end of the day, this movie makes more than Thor Love and Thunder worldwide. I'd expect it to. I think it'll be more agreeable. It's the start of phase five and it. I think it makes more than Thor and less than Dr. Strange, because Dr. Strange made a lot of money. I find cinema scores more reliable on audience reception than rotten tomatoes.

both audience and critic for me yeah no no i'm talking about the audience score on rotten tomatoes yeah i find a way i find a cinema score more reliable of how an audience generally feels because i feel like you can bombard people don't take to cinema score to bomb things as much i don't think yeah you don't get like questioned and then like have this crazy whereas i feel like rotten tomatoes i feel like people don't understand what rotten tomatoes is and therefore they abuse it in both directions well they didn't understand that what rotten tomatoes is is the critics it's a council it's a committee where everyone gets together and they all vote unanimously of how we all feel about it

before they put out a percentage. And they yell at hand. And that's why people say don't listen to critics because it's a hive mind, essentially, where everyone's in the Korean. They're not actual real fans. They're just people who, they are a jury. It's the mid-credit scene.

Yeah. It is the counsel of critics, is how you might want to call it. And they just start screaming. Yeah, and they vote. It's like the prequels to Star Wars. How loud they yell is where the score comes from. That's why, you know, in doubt, just go,

don't listen to critics. because apparently they're not real people. They've never been human. There's a lot. There's a lot problematic about that, yeah. I think it's a weird fail safe to say that. Well, it's like every written review gets boiled down to a number, and then those numbers all get averaged out,

and that becomes the score. And I feel like... It's a pass fail that is colorized. It's literally like colorizing a historic photo. You've got a black and white photo that you put color over it. Of course, it's not going to be the actual quantifiable image. Just like looking at a 70%. That doesn't mean 70%.

It means 70% out of blank number of critics. or failed it, if 100% of people gave it a 2.5, it would fail. But if 100% of people gave it a 3, it would be 100%. That's not this thing. And you can look through movies that have a high percentage, but see that all the capsules are like, it's okay.

You know, like it's a 3 out of 5, which is technically fresh. My favorite part of the audience score side on Rotten Tomatoes is when people are like, don't listen to critics. Here's my whole review. I am going to critique this now. You understand you are. If you've watched a bunch of movies and are about to give an opinion, congratulations.

You've met all the requirements for criticism. And anyone who does YouTube videos, and I would gladly say this to Christian Harlov's face. I hope you're watching, buddy. Anyone who says that they don't, that they're like, I don't, I'm not a critic. But I'm like, but you review movies regularly and they're monetized videos and you gain an audience from it. So you might not call yourself a critic, but you fall under the umbrella. And same thing with us. I don't even, I don't like the word influencer.

I still fall under that umbrella. I know it's one of my categories, even though I don't like to identify as that. So, yeah, I think there's a lot more of these people who are like, I think if you're on YouTube, especially, you're like, don't listen to critics. I'm like, but you're a critic. You're technically part of that realm. You're technically part of it. It doesn't make sense to say that. Find the critics that you like and understand when people are approaching something from a filmmaking cinema.

perspective versus a lore Mike yeah focus what point are we add in the stream because I got to clip out that part about Christian Harlow I don't want to I don't want to I gotta delete it I don't want I gotta make sure he doesn't get offended

oh yeah yeah I mean you guys do on a show tomorrow oh shit that's right damn it oh did I just plug for you I hope he doesn't bring it up on stage oh he's gonna bring it up on the stage it's happening and our next topic today Deviant production do you guys remember wait wait wait wait wait didn't shout someone out

someone with an Asian name a shout out thank you for the heart means a lot that's a cool symbol whatever their name is deviant production thank you

do you remember Janet's power she got from spending so much time in the quantum realm oh my god I should have rewatched quantum under and the loss she had powers didn't she have some powers

there's like a residual I've only seen it was there's not a lot of continuity from man you're so right yeah there's also there's the whole quantum tunnel thing in the post credits and all that stuff.

I totally forgot about that. That's a great point. That's a really great point. I didn't put that together. The good thing I didn't rewatch that movie. I might have liked it less. That's what I was coming in with is having revisited the anime movies. It took a third time, then you found your love for it.

In a way. J. Golby P. People pushing the whole MCU declining in quality are starting to get annoying. I want them to improve. That's not to say we haven't put out any great stuff plus doesn't like act like the affinity saga was consistent agree i agree i mean i loved black panther recording forever that was the last movie yeah so i i really loved it no and i think

there's some of my favorite hits of the mcc total had phase four in them but the thing is some of the most like the ones that did not really leave an impression where i just kind of stopped thinking about it really quick. A lot of that was phase four, too. I think the highest highs were in earlier phases, but the lowest lows were in this phase more consistently, so it overall feels more negative. Yeah, and they have

an interesting, and phase four is the first one which shows, so the journey with it is interesting because they could have something like Hawkeye where, I was like, ah, first episode of fine, but then started getting really good and intriguing, and then I really thought they dropped the ball in the final episode, like really did. And that's

the impression, that's the feeling I'm left with, how they drop the ball. It's that the rant when you start and end something. It's like

what we joked about earlier with debate. Like that is also how I feel about like moon night. I loved Moonnight until I

didn't. And then I liked it but I don't think about it a lot. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, let's not forget, man. Wanda Vision was the start

of this. And WandaVision was the first MCU property, I think, where everywhere I went, we were all just talking about WandaVV

Right. You know, like what's going to happen next. Whether you liked Marvel or not, it was a VET TV. And the person making you that burrito bowl.

What do you think is going to happen this one? Do you think mutants are coming? What a bread, rice? Mephisto. What do you think is Mephisto? It's just growing pains and the fact that we're like 30-odd movies into this. Like, I feel like they just have been struggling lately to find the synthesis of their sweet spot again. Like, I feel like you can see all the faculties that make an M-C-U what it is in most of these properties.

And it's just the levels are skewed more jaggedly right now to me. I also think we want more from them because we've seen what they can accomplish, and that's not, it's not necessarily fair because it's new teams, new expectations, new writers. We look at this giant 30 film saga as one thing, which it is, but it's also not. Their individual pieces make up that puzzle, so it's really hard to even quantify, but I also want that bar to be met, and therefore I'm having a hard time with Ant Man not being a hard swallow. Comic books are up and down, too. Very much. Very much. Hamza, Omar. We got you.

love the channel especially coy Jesus what does that say about my ego real coy Jax quick shouts out to GMM films in the chat too hey George what's going on buddy he has a hilarious Ben Affleck AI video oh my god it's so fun go watch it guys

the scene of the possibility realm it was established the other ant man weren't real so how did they physically help him they were real that's a good question I don't know it doesn't matter it was cool it's the theoretical i think yeah i thought they were real like they were they were the

concept of what alternate reality he could do like the like if i do this versus this that would be another me but that would be tangible in that in that realm yeah it's like every reaction becomes it's like distilling the multiverse down into one room where every possibility just comes out and so like in that you know again space between space and time you can mumbo jumbo it in a way where I wasn't too distracted. I was more distracted, and I enjoyed it, but I was more distracted by like, why is there only one Scott

who is not in Ant-Man garb? I like... I like Baskin-Robbins guy. Love it, but also why is he the only one? I think they say we can't define what a good Marvel film is. Well, I think a good Marvel film is when it has a good three-act structure

and there's a good character journey. A good film is just a good film. And then there's a little bit of, you know, set up for the future phases, sure. but a good Marvel film like John just said is just a good film it's pretty plain and simple I'll take a good film over big

interconnectivity any day set up payoff plot that his themes is actual plot exploring themes you know basic shit that has Marvel characters in it is a good

that has Marvel characters in it is a good because it's easy to make something fun the first two Ant Man movies are a great example and I get this the first two Ant Man's and like the Avengers or Infinity Warning Gate, those are great examples of how you can do either very serious or very light and still flesh them out.

True. Yeah, I think we know what we like. Alex, our biggest super chat of the day, all the buttons. Alex. Kang should be the only person capable of using his own technology. Cassie Lang manipulated his technology.

Plot hole, fair enough. I thought Cassie was way too good at everything in this. Her only struggle was she has to get the jump tap thing. down. That's the only struggle she has. I feel like they, yeah, they nerfed her arcs and the opportunity for

yeah, conflict. I was very vexed when I was watching a movie and went, oh, so this is why they didn't advertise Strange World that Jake Gillen Hall movie because they made it an Antman movie. And then I was also vexed and I was like, oh, this is why Andor is okay because the third act is they used Andor's sets.

Like this was literally like, what Cassie did, they just did in Andor and Strange World. I was like, I've seen these. So like, I was I was bothered when she took over King's hologram, not hologram, the projection of himself. Yeah, the transmission. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That bothered me.

His password is Renslake. Because it's just like, how, what? She just shoved him out of the way. Like, I mean, it just happens off screen, and it just can be. Because I think you went to the bathroom briefly the first time. I did. And then you came back. You were so quick.

You came back, and she was on the screen. And I was like, yeah. She took over the thing he was talking to. Gentora. Because she's good at everything. I even asked how'd that happen. And Greg would... It happened off screen.

I don't know. I think they pass it off as Gentora is the one who actually manipulates the machine. And then she's like, Cassie, say something. You know, I got to fight these dudes. But even so, they never really show you. I really took it as she... I thought Cassie did it so that way Gentora could go and make the speech. But she was like, no, you'd make the speech.

Because why would Cassie be fighting off goons and guards? No, she doesn't. I'm just saying, I think Gentora got in the system. Jentora hacked the thing and is like, I got to go fight these dudes now, you need to talk to them. You know, like, I'm not going to talk to them, you know. Either way. Either way, it still does not address how it was possible, what the technology is, why from here

remotely to where Kang is, it still worked and why he wouldn't just be able to usurp that pass? Yeah, why couldn't he take it back over? It's his technology. That's more, yeah. That is more like what you see on like amusement park rides. Sure. Also, like, That's, I mean, to go immediately back to dude saying we don't know a good Marvel film, every movie has plot holes, every movie has continuity issues, every movie has things that don't always line up.

Like, movies are so many moving parts, but stuff like this where it impacts, like, this many things, that's what makes it lesser. Like, there's no one good kind of Marvel movie because they're all blending genres and trying to do slightly different things. So, again, a good Marvel movie is just a good version of whatever they're attempting to do. But if you're technologically based villain has a plot hold of the scale, it does get noticed. If Ant Man 1 is a good heist comedy, then that's a good Marvel movie because it's doing its thing right. Thank you for such a generous super chat. Roger Reyes. Everyone expects so much in these movies nowadays.

Nobody knows what Marvel has plan, but the writing needs improvement. This is only the beginning. Yeah, that's the main thing that I think. Ebony Leopard, thank you for being here in the stream. That's what I'm going to say. Everything we said is nitpiggy. criticism whatsoever. Isn't a broad

aspect of a problem with a technologically based villain pretty broad and not nitpick? The less you're enjoying something, the more you will nitpick, but I feel like we have

addressed some reasonable ideas here. I think nitpick stand out more when you already have bigger problems. Yeah, when something's already not working than everything, then everything just becomes a big file. Snowball.

So you, yeah, so critics could do a better job of factoring out what doesn't really matter to the criticism, but... But, I mean, yeah, I think that is the main thing, is that you would need, yeah, oh my God, we've got to show this. I think it's very funny.

Whatever grammar is that bad, it makes me laugh. Because I don't use grammar well, but that's just funny. Nobody knows a Marvel has plan. Yeah, that is the thing, is that we don't really know a Marvel has plan, and I don't really care about that. I do care that their standalone installments are actually, you know, great. That's what matters most to keep.

You can't just keep tuning in things that are just fine. I'm sorry, Ebony Leopard. We only get one comment at a time. Also, like, what's happening? He said all we pointed out was that he said nitpicky, but that's all we saw was him saying nipik. Anyway, everything can't be a trailer for the next thing. And like, Iron Man, it can have like a little thing, but it shouldn't be the main thing. Like Iron Man was great without anything else. Yeah.

And game, Winter Soldier is incredible without ever having seen First Avenger or Civil War. That is the standard for me. Like, no way home is great. I brought someone to the premiere that had never seen a Toby or Andrew Garfield Spider-Man film, which I didn't think was possible. But she loved it only knowing two Tom Holland movies. That's a good movie.

Yeah. And that's a movie that has a lot of silly circumstances that tie it together, but it prioritizes the right aspects to make it, you know, as impactful as it is. So I would argue that as the nuts and bolts of Noe Home are very, you know, flying by the senior pants, but... I think when you like something and then people don't like if you if you like something and then when people you're listening to someone who doesn't like something

saying someone is being nip picky instead of acknowledging everything that movies did say is kind of a weak excuse hours long this is like hours of stuff yeah johnny each following movies should have variance uh each following movies should have hero variants i don't know if each following movies Ebony Leopard, I'm going to stop you right there. You see what you're doing, buddy? You're nitpicking one thing we said. You're being nitpicky over one thing. And the point of a stream like this is to get granular.

What you're saying about nitpicking. That's not the reason the movie doesn't work. You are literally zeroing in on one out of a hundred things we said. So your whole thing is completely invalid now. each following movie should have hero bearings you just say yourself up to be we should all be having fun this should just be fun no no fun anymore you see what happens you read the chat no fun anymore i like the first act was coy getting back to chat the second act i saved a dog i don't want to deal with this and now he's the one i don't want to deal with this today it's been a long week this guy's been too nice he's following who should have hero variance fine let it happen

everything's great I don't understand this question is he saying that it's not a question it's a statement of a request that he wants for the future of Marvel there should be hero variants and every one of them yeah yeah yeah so every villain is a hero every one of them no just there should be multiversal variants

of every hero moving forward in each installment comprehensively season two might be that sure I feel like that'd be cool 2021 thank you for the super chat how quickly do you guys think Marvel can course correct? I don't know quick maybe quicker clearly they're capable of greatness

look at the Infinity saga I know it was amazing I keep hearing up these delays but if writers aren't good does more time help I mean I think they hire good writers but usually you do need more time to flesh stuff out sometimes the greatest screenplays take years to flesh out

I am very I have come to a place where I have very ginger about how I, how hard I rest on my complaints, not with scripts, but with the writers of the scripts. It's like this guy, Jeff Loveness, who wrote this, yeah, I'm like, this to me, doesn't reflect great on your script writing for something like this.

However, I am aware that with this machine, I have seen writers I trust turn in something that feels a lot more generic than I thought it should, knowing their other works. So I feel like the machine is so big that I think sometimes it will, slight the writer. True.

And so, yeah, I tend to keep that criticism kind of soft. I generally think when assigning the blame. I do you

mention something really quick because of the time right now and I would like to wrap us up by 2.30. Okay.

Or close down the super chats. I'm going to close down the super we're going to read the rest of the super chats and we got some streamlaps too

that I want to make sure we get to but yeah, I would like to end by a certain time today because a dude's Got a little bit more other things to edit today and stuff. I'm going to wave the white bag.

We haven't seen everything you have had to say. This is a big old conversation. It's all love, baby. It's all love. Let's just bury that hatchet. Do we just block him? I will say time. I believe in censorship.

No, it's fine. It's fine. We're going to talk about nitpicky shit. Like people are going to add. It's fine. I think we're too focused on him now. All fine. And now we need to, we need to just, we do to just move on.

And accept... What's the next question? As I go to P, I want to acknowledge that each of us has a different threshold. Where I love that psychologically, I would assume that I'd get mad first and calm down. And that Greg would build to a boil and that John would have mid, like, high, lows. And that's exactly what happened in the last two hours. I think it's very funny. Like, our personalities are exactly this live stream.

I have him. He saved the dog. He saved a dog. He saved. That is a necessary part of any screenplay. Now you're a likable character. Completely cool. um anyway oh shit just john and i oh man now what just john and i now it's like every day

what do we do um ha ha ha this shout out awkward jokes do you have a linda in your life john do i have a linda in my life uh she she ain't you baby nicely done nicely done that's that's that's that's how that goes oh my god we gotta get to that coy question so he's not here to defend himself jenny l i definitely want to see any coy complaints get them in right now so that way we can't defend himself it'll be amazing coin planes new segment coin complaints um ash chase thanks for being here king should have killed someone or showed scott dying or other avengers to show how big a threat king really is all he had to do was break cassie's arm or break cassie's arm or i mean it would have been cool if he

killed off Ant Man. I think it would have worked. And then it would have given him an arc because he would have sacrificed like, see, Cassie, and that's what is just the last word should have been out of. See, Cassie, I'm going to die for you. I told you so, Cassie, I do care. He does it out of bitterness and trying to prove a point. Take my bitter blame with you and make that your core wound for the rest of this franchise. You're fault. I'm dead now, Cassie. Bye. I like Art. Paul M. Ah, damn it. I was trying to get some boy complaints in here.

Plains. Coin planes. Get your coin planes. John, do you need to get a standing break in? Get a standing break in. Your crotch will be blocked by those superchats. Look, look at my crutch. It's funny. My legs are actually 12% bigger to my body ratio than the rest of me. I just got a dexas scan done. So all my proportions are weird because I like the gym too much and I'm 5'9. But my arms just look big in the shirt, which I appreciate.

It's okay. That's right. He's got small arms in real life. Paul M. Give the paid and read discussion. Would you be more excited for a pain and read? Star Wars or Star Trek movie or neither Seems like he wants to do sci-fi I really enjoyed his episode

Of the Mandalorian Season 2 It's the one where they land That's a coin plate It's the one where they land in the Ice Place And there's like spider bugs thingy Oh yeah that's right that was his Yeah and I thought he did a great job there

And really capture the horror And still that like ethereal wonder as well So I would like to see him do it Star Wars movie or just direct another episode of the Mandalorian. It doesn't matter what. I just scratched myself with my middle finger. I have a thing about this that I love and I haven't talked about it at all anywhere yet. I think

Peyton Reed really wanted to make a Quantum Realm slash Phantom Zone Fantastic Four movie and when they hired John Watts to make Fantastic Four Kevin Faggy was like, what have we let the Third Ant Man movie be your Fantastic Four movie? And a big complaint I had was this felt like if the Fantastic Four

was fighting Kang in this universe, it would have worked for the physics of their decisions more but this became his fantastic four. I don't think this movie speaks incredibly directly to Peyton Reed's abilities and his voice as a director, especially

as compared to the previous two Ant Man movies, but I would be interested to see him do... I would sooner say Star Wars and Star Trek, but really, with those movies, it could be anybody's guess. I'd say Star Trek won't Star Wars in itself. Hi, Koi. Can you

explain the time in quantum realm the flow of time is the same it's just at which point of the time of the outside world you come out so conceptually time being relative the bigger uh you get from your source kind of like interstellar the the further you are from do you need a pen uh paper to yeah do you need to put the pen uh actually just watch the scene from full allowed and thunder but uh take a book but like so the further you are from your sense of time the greater disparate distance so arguably if they go deeper than they've ever been because there's a single line of dialogue Michelle Pfeiffer says that you didn't look deep enough

to see the living creatures, right? You had to look further and that's kind of what they write over all the plot holes of the things we've described with like those tie-ins. So it theoretically should be more time because they're further through that reality but since it's quantum

and it's out of time in space which is another line of dialogue they gave conceptually it would be parallel to time. If you're out of time and space the distance from your original reality shouldn't be affected but they also implied that it was further. So technically they should have been further from their time.

More time should have passed, but they kind of allowed that to not have time passed because they were out of time. It seems like they let time pass for the aunt family in real time, and the ants go to the place where time dilation happens. Right. That makes a lot of sense. I like the senses that everyone's saying.

Sub-sub-sub-atomic there. Yeah. Oh, my God. You guys are so smart geniuses over here. You guys should teach a science class. Okay. What up, Reject Nation. Thank you. Just got back from round two of the movie. Loved it just as much as the first time. Hell yeah. Wait till you watch it a third time.

My question is about Loki Season 2. How much will we see Jonathan Majors? He's going to be there the whole time. It does seem like he will be a through line more so than before. Well, they're going to be on the search for him. They're going to be hunting for him. Yeah, I mean, I don't expect them to completely ditch the episodic nature of the show and not do unrelated or things kind of tangential. related in different times and places, but I feel like, yeah, Kang will be a much more, it will be a serial through line.

Yeah, yeah, I think it'll be a very big part of it, and then they kill them off, and then they got a new threat to deal with, and then that's when they see Sylvie go to McDonald's or whatever that photo was. I am so fast to buy McDonald's of it all. There will be a Sylvie and Loki meal.

The Cardi B and Offset Meals sounds like hotcakes. I will get a happy meal if there's Loki toys. Oh, yeah. Ooh, what if King is actually working with some probabilities? Oh, that's fun. I like that. Ooh, and he's like solving the problem by consulting his probabilities. I like that a lot.

That's actually cool. That would be neat. Yeah. I watch a whole movie out of that. That's what I want out of Marvel. Raccoon Shampoo. Thanks for being here, buddy. Good to see you.

Broccoli Guy. We all love him. Broccoli guy. Hilarious. Appreciate the super chat. D. Murdoch. Coy, you shill. You seem more positive on a Harlock show.

Oh, I actually really wanted to address this. It was a ton of people in the chat. I think that all movies should be seen and celebrated if they're even half good. So all my non-spoilers were positive because I wanted fuckers to go see the movie. So, like, yeah, I was more positive in my non-spoiler review. And then the spoiler review I did with Harloff is going to be a little bit more negative because I want people to support Marvel. I want people to go see the first two acts of this.

I think it's worth seeing. But if I came out the gate as negative as I feel about the film, people wouldn't get to experience those first two acts. Like I genuinely, and yeah, literally, I don't want to be a critic that I don't like people blindly following anyone and I do feel like we live in an age where people go like well if coy doesn't like it then it's not worth seeing because I'm be positive about everything so I leaned very positive because I didn't want the like well it's the first time he's negative it's got to be really bad because of how people like black and white things the world is gray scale

so I was like I'll lean into my positive side of the gray scale in the non-spoiler I'll lean more aggressively I've been almost only negative about this film I still gave it like a 6.4 I've talked about very few of my positives because that's in my non-spoiler I think people need to see new ones. That's where I'm at. 6.4259. I know exactly where it is. Also, I love Jimmy Freckle's comment.

Be insulted. I've had too many experiences Recoy recommends something and then I watch it. I'm like, that sucked. Why did I listen to him? Then I listen to his spoiler talk and I'm like, oh, he actually...

That's how he feels. That's why I don't... So that's the path. Also, most of my flaws were the third act, so inherently they're spoilers. That's an issue as well. Bye, Mama Jondro.

We love you. We love you. We love you. I said it like two minutes. Oh. Liam Murphy. Loki Season 2 will be huge in determining King's threat. Oh, yeah.

I wanted Hank Pim to go after him just because he banged Janet. You know what happened. He just becomes a jealous, abusive husband. She's going to do it with Bill Murray. Why wouldn't she do it with Jonathan Majors? He legit saved her life. Come on now. Come on.

You've seen those pictures and like what the Ebony Magazine shoot was incredible. He's got that Bodybuilder movie coming out. the original magazine God damn magazine dreams he looks incredible in that man like good god that should have been his suit that should be one of the Kang variants

the game or MJ he's the only one who's not concerned with anything about time or conquering so true he just wants the fountain of views so he can keep on doing magazine covers amen to that sister I laughed at this film more than I did in Thor 3

I even love the postcard scene anyone think like Hake was going to die a rate at 8.5 out of 10 once I read it realized that Michael Douglas was just kind of casually walking through a green screen through most of this room. I'm like, I don't think he's going to die. And then I feel like him saying he would only return if he does die in the next one is usually an indicator that an actor was indeed over the experience while they were making the film. Oh, 100%. So it's totally,

and I didn't know that until after I watched the movie and I'm already well put out my opinion. I was like, yeah, no, it shows on screen. Like you clearly did not want to do this movie. Hank be chill in and it's not consistent with the previous one although I do personally in isolation enjoy chilling swashbuckler Hank who just shows up in his robes and he's just like I like it

I like it's! It's silly up for the silliness but yeah it doesn't work in tandem as well. Man comic fan have you ever been asked to do the trailer movie breakdowns for new rock stars coy? Tell Eric Boss to go to hell. Yeah I think Eric

I'm really good at certain things and Eric Voss is really good at certain things and I think he's like so good at breakdowns and stuff. I watch trailers I think differently and I think if they want me to I could like look at a thing that way but I inherently don't go like that visual like I don't

I feel like Eric is like this incredible Terminator of like I see all and like he ascertains and grabs things and when I watch a trailer I go like theme and comic reference and he's like able to scan like Modoc so I've never thought of the trailer the way I think he does I don't know his brain.

But, like, I've not done them, but I think I would. I just, Eric's the best of him. I think he can do those other things, too. I think it would be interesting if you just wrote a letter to new rock stars and then put it on Twitter and asked for him to be fired. Oh. So you can replace him? I see. I see.

Get him canceled. Can someone. Should I mail this letter? Like, is it a handwritten letter? I need someone to clip this out. Oh, yeah. And send it to Eric. And I hope he takes it serious instead of realizing.

that I've been just making a super serious comedy. We don't see an Eric movie fighting over a trailer. Discussing Ant Man is a serious endeavor. Raccoon Shampoo, I think this movie was very cute. Not sure it's very good, though, if that makes sense. I think the scene with a King and Ant Man meeting has remarkable tension. I think that's very palpable tension in that scene. And I think the segue from the flash,

I think it's a beautiful transition from the Flash. backs to this where you're like okay this is the past and then they transition to the present with king and he is this presence i thought it was a great that's like a great i like that whole 30 minutes with the probability around but i think there's that's solved like 20 minutes right yeah it's really really good uh yeah and i think the movie feels actually this is exactly what i was saying with my non-spoiler review yeah i think it's worth experiencing there's definitely a reason to see this movie it's definitely enjoyable so yeah the movie is very cool like and i and i was overwhelmed by a lot of the visuals.

And I loved the freedom fighters when they were getting to do the stuff that didn't get undermined. So I think it's all worth seeing. It is cool. And good is a different thing. There's just things that could be richer about it and more, you know, from, again, a cinema, filmmaking, scripting perspective. It could be of a greater caliber or quality. But yeah, there's definitely fun and coolness there. No, you didn't even pick, John.

S.H. Aleph, what's your theory for Loki Season 2? Thank you for the super chat. What's your theory? You got to have a theory, right? It'll get picked up for season three. You've got to have one theory. Coy, give us one theory. One theory is that I think we get introduced to a bunch of Kang variants in much the way we met a lot of Loki variants, but in a more ominous, scary way than comedic.

You know what I would love if they have like a big finale showdown with like Victor timely and then out of nowhere a bunch of ant show. That's a phase five thing It's just always act three out of nowhere Bunch of a hand They're walking through like I'm always following you king No it's Loki in a western coat He goes I like ants

I don't always a bunch of man My theory for Loki season two Is that there will be a jet ski And that Ki-Kwan is going to be a delight I just want Kikwan That's all I care about Kewan Jet ski salesman I like Kikwant

I saw fast and free He was a good as he in it? No. I thought of like, oh, I have to see the Goonies. And then I was like, oh, but I did just see Fast and Furious Totally Redrift. Like, they were the same thing. Have you not seen the Goonies? No, let's not open that door right now.

Prady. That's almost Superman bad. I've lost all excitement and interests in the MCU. D.C.'s future seems more exciting. John, let me pose this question. Can I ask you a question, John? Are you more excited for the future of D.C. or the future of the Marvel Center of the universe?

I just wonder what do you say you're currently more excited for? I want a straightforward answer. I think it's straightforward. DC has more to prove and is in the... DC has more to prove. So the risk is higher and the reward could be more gratifying. Because Marvel right now to me is like everything is still pretty good, like pretty all right. And like nothing's been terrible.

So, you know, it's mostly just about seeing if they can bring it back up to great. And yeah, DC just has like a bunch to prove. So cool, quick answer. Which one? Right now, I think the level of comicky geekiness, like the actual nerdcore stuff that's coming out of DC is pretty exciting. And I also feel like I'm more excited to deal with a new corner of fandom in an in-depth way. Like, I feel like I say anything negative about Marvel, even to compare there's an inherent, like, what?

Whereas DC, I'm like, I haven't talked about it a lot because it's of violence in that fandom that I think is going to ebb and flow and change. So I'm really excited to show and share my love for DC. So it's personal. This is selfish, but there's a lot of characters that I love that I haven't really gotten to talk about and share. So I'm excited for D.C. just because it's a corner of my heart. I haven't gotten to make public. Oh, man. Nice. Everyone in the chat. Mateo DiVino has earned that show.

Sure. 100%. You better be playing the Lonely Island song right now. Hey, guys. Dan V-900's back out of it. For some positivity, I love your reactions to the Takamu. Even though I don't love those films, I know you'd have to go back, but Justice of the New Frontier's, tier and from 2008 and

one or one from 2009 are fantastic. Well, a big part of their weird journey is usually me going in there going, I think this is the one we've got to do next. So let me do some research. And that's kind of what you know.

And just again, endless. Lately, the past two have not been doing as great. So I'm like, okay, we need to mix this up a little bit because the feedback is amazing. Yeah, very hype. But I had a feeling like throwing at Atlantis might not be as big of a click with this one. Ha, ha.

Thank you again, though, for pairing us up for that, though. It's been for the last, absolutely wonderful to show. There's no need to thank me. It was all Ebony's idea. Don't nitpick my compliment. Don't dip but our love for. Jake Kobe P. Back again.

I have a curl. I'm still excited for the future of the MCU. Right now, hype for Guardians' Galaxy Volume 3. I think it's going to be amazing. my my expectations cannot be met because they're so high james go out of balance the humor with the emotion people who are like it's too sci-fi yeah i think we know someone who's been saying it's like i think it might be too sci-fi for people am in the woscona me i'm like i don't agree i feel like guardians is way more sci-fi is is is behaving more weirdly than quantum main characters are not as a talking raccoon in a tree i feel Like, those are the main characters. Yeah, I think the strength of Guardians shows how impossibly weird you can go and still have heart.

I think a lot of the people saying we're nitpicking, I can just point at Guardians and go, but look what they did. And it kind of shows that that's our bar. Yeah. I think there are more weird images in Quantumania than the movie is actually weird. Yeah. You know? Also, Guardians 2 is better than the first, fight me. I will not fight you.

Because I can respect people having a wrong opinion. I love bars, you know, respect. I'm excited to watch it again. No, I, Matt, it's okay if you like. I'm not a big fan of Guardians, too. I really don't. Oh, my God, I'm so excited for this comment. I'll tell you why.

Hoshito 474. Thank you for the Super Chat here. Are you up for the Beyonder to be the king from this movie? That's what I'm thinking they're going to do. Yeah, I mean, we had some comments about that earlier. I completely think that would be an amazing setup if they did do that. And I think they did enhance it with, like, him working with a probability realm version of himself oh my god that would be an amazing way

to set him up to be the beyond do it coy how do you feel you're crashing yet no but i'm i'm thinking i'm just trying to respect i'm trying to respect your time per one but i i do think there's a uh uh likelihood we get a different kang and secret wars than the one we get in kang dynasty and i'm wondering if that's going to be the king we just met i'm also wondering how much they're going to let jonathan majors like play with the ridiculousness of a bunch of kangs like are we going to see I think we're going to see Kang in like every property going forward

except Guardians to be honest but I wonder how much that's going to change because of the reception from this film like are they adding Kang or subtracting Kang from the Marvel's right now? You don't think they would have

like if you don't think they would have Kang and Guardians 3 like imagine he's like he's in Guardians 3 he's fighting Adam Warlock and then a bunch of ancho

I wanted Every movie needs a kang interlude interrupted by ants to get us back to the main line. So here's the scene. You got that, like they're walking up slow, right? And they're coming up, and you've got Groot, and he's doing a slow-mo walk. And then Groot goes, I am ants. I am ants. That's the third act.

On your aunts. I think always, always do it. I feel like the Duffer Brothers can make a great, great. Oh, that would be interesting. I don't know about a movie, though, because there are. expertise is in shows you know i would have them do is have a uh side x-men show like not the main main one would be cool but like an x factor or an x not x force that's a little too dark but like i would have a teen drama x team that they handle and like that slow introduces characters

yes oh they do a great generation x that super 90s like jubilee chamber like have those characters 90 style duffer brothers disney plus oh may be amazing fin wolfhardt is wolverine Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sadie Singh would actually not be a bad rogue, actually. Now I think about it, you wouldn't be a bad rogue. Gene Gray? Gene Gray? That makes way more sense, yeah. But who could Joe be?

Who could, uh, Joe Kerry's booster gold already? He's got him. Trady Eyre. You could gambit though. Everyone I want everyone to read. I'm so excited for The Flash. I'm also excited that Warren Bird has hired Andy Muscietti to direct their attack on Titan live action adaptation.

His direction style perfectly fits the story, like attack on Titan. How would you define his direction style? Oh, my God. Put it to the chat. Amazing. Well, that's the thing is he has such a status right now. What just happened? He has such a status, and he's getting these huge projects and no shade whatsoever.

But I am curious as to what his style is. Well, I think it just has like a blockbuster horror style to me. It doesn't really scream this person's vision. Out of the three of us, I'm definitely the biggest attack on Titan fan here. Sure. Because I think you've seen it. That makes him the biggest.

But I have started, I've never read a manga, and I am now on volume two of the attack on Titan manga because the show is coming back, and I was like, rather than re-watching the show, let me just reread them. Let me just read the manga. and then get up to when it before the show continues like stop right before because it's pretty accurate and dude it's amazing i love a manga i feel like i was like

then i start previewing other mongas and i'm like oh my god i think i'm like style a little more become a book person yeah i love i'm really i really love it mocietti i feel like does a lot of really a wide sweeping pushes i feel like muscietti does a lot of uh wider frames than then in the close up for emotionality. Like, I think he has a visual style, but I also feel like that does suit the little bit I know about this, but I also think that's why I want him for Superman. I think he could do a really cool superman. Yeah, that's good.

Point. Dan B-900. Hey, can't wait for Justice League, Gods and Monsters next week. It might not be Justice League, Gods and Monsters next week. We don't know. We don't know. Greg's going to tell us on the day. It's funny.

Somebody commented like, oh, it's so cool you're doing these in linear order like me. And I'm like, ha, ha, I don't know if that's going to hold me. I did hear me mention on the Mr. Movies Weekly Plant Mr. Movie's Mr. Sunday Movies Weekly Plant I got so excited nerded out so hard over that

He was like So the Edman and the was quantumity In his Australian action Quantumania Early reactions before the review Embargo lifted Have been like really great But you know it's not great from everyone

And he mentioned my take And I was like Oh God Damn I'm being looked at as the only one Saying something bad And then the reviews lifted And I was like Oh

You were You were the Harbinger. I was the messenger. I got a real... You were the herald. If there's time before 2.30, remind me, say, Greg, tangent, get it off your chest about how people handle early reactions. I got, I got some...

We should set up a thing, like, like, Mr. Sunday movies has the veto. We should have, like, a tangent token where once a stream, somebody can take the tangent token and do it. I like that. The last Dragon Lady, do you think Victor Timely actually becomes... He Who Remains? No, because He Who Remains made it pretty clear of, like, interaction. I feel like that would undercut it, too.

I feel like you got to just have it be He Who Remains. I mean, have that be two distinct characters, personally. Right, Coy? Do you agree? Personally, I think the Moore Cangs is going to make the character more interesting. More Cangs! Raccoon Shampoo. Thank you.

If the Marvel Awards exist, then I think Cang should win Worst Hedgman. Wow. I hope he gets a better disposal army for events. It was real undermining when you do think, like, I've built this army to take to conquer. I'm like, but I didn't take much to read about her. Yeah. I was like, you've clearly focused on quantity over the quality of your products. These things aren't effective at all.

Fair enough. Also, are they organic? Because the one dude reads their mind. Yeah. Like, he talks like, I was going to stop you. Yeah. Like, there's no real rules. I'll die first.

Damn. Which funny, but also. Did he birth them? Like, in that case? He birthed them Pushed Kang That's what Janet did She gave birthed

Cangs army Thousands of thousands of thousands of Cang babies Things work differently The Coonerolamette Are in Calachi Thank you I've had the opinion

Since the Loki That will The Loki That will see all the road Lead to King Think we'll see him In many movies coming up First of many being

Miss Marvel and credits To grasp Cain He is always involved I think you get too much It can be A little undermining I mean Like, Corey's thinking that there's going to be a lot of Kang, but I think he's got a space, everything you really got to space it out.

There's too much Kang. I think it would be cool if they introduce certain Kangs that aren't as big bad. Yeah. So you have contrast. Yeah, what do you think? I'd like to see a, the Marvel's Kang be a, like, regular guy. Like, you could just have someone, Jonathan Majors could show up. Like, it'd be interesting to have levels of threat like that.

And have the conundrum of, like, we know where this guy might go. Exactly. And that would add a little bit more than just like, it's the biggest Kang ever. Oh, no, it's not. Like, I'd like to just have a lower level. Yeah, just have, like, a regular guy who doesn't have time travel, but still have a bunch of ants show us. Always have a bunch of ants to show up.

In space. That's all I want. I want a lever that you can just pull in any MCU movie that can trigger the ants to show up. And then they just cut to that trailer that I love so much. I want them to go back and CG the ants into the end of end game. Yeah, retroactively. They're on your left as well. On Rogg.

I think we got two in here. As we're saying one out of two. I don't see the second part. It's going to be weird. Don't worry. MCU is missing RDJ's Tony Stark. He's so great to Anchor the Infinity Saga interacted with multiple heroes enhancing dim.

I thought after endgame, Strange Thor would beat at Anchor, but Marvel failed to do that. Yeah, I mean, I guess maybe the sense of unity is not really so much explaining how everything connects, but having a couple of defined leaders, you know, Because there's no

Avengers right now though That's the thing There's no There's no actual Avengers Yeah And there's not any Like central figure I do think that's an issue

Is that like Everyone wants to have a hub You're growing and coming back to And growing and coming back to And phase one through three Was like we leave the Avengers We come back to the Avengers The Avengers break up

They come back together And I do think that it's not necessarily I mean obviously Tony Stark And Steve Rogers and Thorall huge But I also think it's the sense Of that unity That maybe Shang Chi is going to be Or maybe you know

Wong could have Ben, there should be more of a figure. I agree. Yeah. Perhaps. Perhaps you're all wrong. I felt like they were setting up Dr. Strange, personally, and that it just didn't like... Yeah, I really thought he was the new Tony, for them, but... Tony Stark. I want to put a suit of armor around the quantum realm.

Lose towards... I don't mean to sound dark, but I wanted to see Ant Man lose to someone. I expected someone to get killed off, and I hate they got rid of Modoc so quick. modoc i think you can easily variant back into the fold i think uh it would have been cool to see m and get killed off and it would have yeah would have given him that arc that we were done and i were talking about earlier but at the same time you know maybe they'll kill him off at the beginning of king dynasty they'll loki him you know you know what i mean it's right at the top just kill him off right the top him and wasp i don't begrudged them not losing someone but i feel like yeah it would have been a very interesting thing to do the opening of king dynasty is wasp walking into it a CVS going, fine, I'm going to get the shot. I'm going to go get it. And then King shows up and prevents her. I wonder how much that. I wonder how much that affected her character.

Like, they didn't pull Bill Murray out because he's become problematic, but he's also playing the exact person. He is problematic for being. So people are okay with that. Hey, eventually Lily leaves in science in this world. That's why she's acting. Payton Reed said, Peyton Reed said it was, that didn't matter. They don't care about that. They said they all wore, they didn't wear masks around.

What does it mean, what does it all mean for Scars hairline? Well, welcome, James P. Who needs... Oh, Scar, my God. Yeah, there's so much stuff. I forgot all about that. Does it all mean for Scars Hairline? That's a great example.

It will keep receding. We just had that show and, like, we're already so, like, there's so much going on. I want Scar's Hairline to keep encroaching on his forehead. Say what you will about the She-Hulk finale. I think it's a great representation of some of the... the chaos that is the Marvel set up panty on at the moment of like, yeah, no, it's kind of all over the blighted right now.

Some of it's great, so it's, but I don't really know exactly where it's going, but somehow King unites at all. That's a great example of me being like, I thought this was going to land in phase five and six, and then then being like, well, we can get rid of three of the shows because it doesn't really, I'm like, if it was so cohesive, that wouldn't be as easy to do.

Like, that's why I'm worried for the first time, because if we're only getting Secret Invasion and, uh, what's the other one this year? Loki. Loki this year. and they're able to move three of their five shows to another year, then how does that impact everything? Is it a domino effect they're going for, or does it not as cohesion?

Don't forget about the resurrection, though. Mel Gibson is a resurrection. That's going to connect, too. So Jesus is an Avenger. When is Jesus going to join? Oh, he's going to play. Jesus was a King variant. He comes out, he moves the rock, and he's like,

King. Jesus Kang. And the Bush Vance come out of the cave, yeah. Well, the last supper, they historically left out. If you don't clean up after the last supper, ants come. This is how you get ants. James Gunn in the chat. What's up James Gunn in the chat?

Archer is also in the MCU. Shields Fids. I just thought about what... Who's that? Hollywood reporter. Said, the war between the Kang's is the threat. We are so focused on King versus Us. The problem will come when he fights himself and causes incursions. And that's why I think you should...

If there's a combination of... Who wrote that book, Justin Thoreau? Jacksonville. Lansing. Jackson Lanzon. Justin Lanzin. Justin Rund. Like, I don't, I don't buy a lot of comics.

I mean, I'll, I have the Marvel Unlimited app, and I got an iPad, and I read a lot from there. And it's actually a really great way to do because it, like, focuses on one section at a time. So cool. Because I can have a bit of a visual overstimulation with a full page. Frames, frames, frames, friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like how it just focuses in, and that's how I've been reading Attack on Tina. And also, if you've never read comics, it's really nice to not.

get overwhelmed by the medium if you've never touched it it guides you through the page so level unlimited highly recommend and yeah jackson lansing's kang 2021 yeah great jumping on point just and thoreau just and throw dude um but yeah i would like that and we got the second part of your question here on rock we forget that we've seen tony every year from 2015 till 2021 and the new movies doesn't make us care about journey of protagonists it makes me fear if mc u would be reactionary bring tony bring back tony that's my worry you think they'll bring it back I think Downey has had a few years off to, like, you know, downy it up. But he's had a flourishing career since then.

Oh, no, no, it's not that. I think he just doesn't have the scale of Tony's... Like, when he's playing Tony Stark, he gets to be Tony Stark. He gets to be Tony Stark. He's been Oppenheimer? Yeah, he's in the trailer. Oh, cool. I haven't seen the trailer.

But I think that there's a wonderful, like, hero fulfillment being Tony Stark. So I think that I worry that both he and Chris, we'll come back and it'll undermine phase three. No, no, no. I think they should bring back Chris and Captain America in the New World Order. Sam Wilson just never gets to... Let's say at the very end, Sam Wilson's struggling, and then Steve Rogers shows up to save the day.

On the back of a bunch of hands. It would be great. There's just a subplot of Sam always calling Steve being like, what do I do, man? Instead of nomad, he is, white savior. I think Sam Wilson might... Oh, actually, you know what, that's what they should. They should focus on him being the anchor. Maybe no New World Order will help us, like, anchor.

around Sam because he's from the original guard. He is going to be like the leader of the Avengers. Like that'd be nice to have something to unite around. Yeah. If they bring back Tony, I want it to be sinister. I wanted to fake you out into being like, oh good dad's bad. Oh, no, he's not. You know, I would rather that.

Let him do the heel turn version, so it's interesting. When they bring back Old Man Stark and the Brian Michael Bendis, John Meter Jr. drawn Avengers stuff, there is a, there's a nefariousness to him. That'd be fun. I love that Secret Wars now has the SW moniker because because the order of events in my minds

whenever I see SW goes sex work, Star Wars, and now and now Secret Wars. Tony Jr. would back to Sex Work. Apparently it has not gone as well as we thought the last He would make a killing. Oh my God. Celebrity escorts, do it. It's not as bad as what

Coy said earlier. The first post-credit scene just felt weird to me. Yeah. It's a little kooky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little wacky. We have nitpicked the shit out of that. post credit scene already it's the theme of the day i am excited to do my live show with campia and harlough tomorrow when i've already reached the point where i'm sick of talking about this and now i'll do it in front of a live audience it was quick this time that'll create fun energy

i'm like i am ready to put this to rest guys cocaine but that can be that should be the the flavor you bring the show probably needs that i'll be like sure guys whatever you think assuming my whole attitude yeah whatever You need to be the wild card. Joshua Nova. Novoa. Do you think spacing the movies TV show out will significantly increase the writing? The Infinity Saga was like 10 years, but the saga is ending in like two.

It does, it does, it would help to space it out. I do think it is, especially because you, if not every project is going to have a long-lasting impression or feel great, like truly great, then it does start to feel like you're getting oversaturated. I did not have that concern until a little while into fan. I was like, I don't feel like they're oversaturating. There's a big variety of them. And they knock it out of the park a lot of time. And to me, I do think they should spread this out a little bit. I think they are.

We're reading three movies, two shows this year. That's like half the concept we got last year, right? Yes, yes, it is. It's pretty much. It is less. So that's, I think they're looking at that. Yes, yes, it is. And I have a lot of hope for the Marvels.

And I hope that maybe in this, in moving some of these things out of the oh cool sure yeah why not you know what like I understand my feelings about that movie and having thumbed through the god butcher comic

I'm like yes I can see that this would have been a very different and probably much more agreeable and badass movie but I still love a lot of what's in there but I don't think that it's actually bad that they're moving certain things out of the timeline because I think something should be contained

and something should be very serial and I think part of the no man's land of face four has been that they've been kind of in the middle on all that Yeah, it's like a little connectivity kind of, but not as much as anyone seems to expect, and everything's kind of serial, but not. I feel like they're both trying to appeal to the people that make TikToks analyzing every single Easter act and the mainstream audience. But Strife, I have a question from Strife here. I say I did that, natural. Yo, so he would pay you to explain the entire MCU. Oh, the entire MCU.

Yeah. Well, I would pay to have Luis do that from. And I think that was the thing they could have done to start phase five. But instead... You should do a video that gets updated every phase where it is a comprehensive explanation of the phase up until now. And then you just re-upload that video the next time. But with an addendum that ever grows... Honestly, like, with the MCU shows being so dense and there being so many and them not quite tying in,

it would have been really interesting to see Louise talk about the MCU shows to Paul Rudd. Like, you were gone five years, what happened? And he just does the MCU shows. Now there's a Lady Hulk and there's like this and there's this and there's this. so much fun and instead i will i will accept your canadian dollars to do the same yeah i know it's crazy but kevin black has a question he says uh hey guys sorry it was a disappointment i would recommend having watched on edibles felt 10 times weird and watched it three times it's fair times the charm watch it on edibles um i can't watch a movie in the theaters on edibles

or even like with one hit i i can't do it you get too like i at a theater i my mind cannot process It's too much for me to handle Too much stimulation Yeah Like some people are like You should smoke and read comics And I'm like Yeah it's really hard for me to do that

I'm harder with a comic than a movie I have a hard time watching a movie in the theaters And I just can't keep For some reason my brain I already have a fast moving brain And my mouth cannot keep up with my brain Like I cannot spit out as Like I can't do what Koi does

Where it's like your mouth Your mouth and brain and to be like like a computer and my mind's moving too fast that I can't sometimes I can't articulate it I struggle with that at times

and I think that the way to watch this movie would actually be on well what do I say so you don't get in trouble on YouTube the thing that informs the zombies and Last of Us I would last of us this experience that edible experience

would be fun I could watch stuff at home this will be great at home but I can't do theaters it's too big yeah the main problem it's too big for me I just can't handle.

Sip that lean the next time you go into the movie. Evan Fowler. Little scissor. Like, there are some movies, like, I would love to do a reaction to dread because I saw that on an edible, and I can't tell you a thing that happened in that. I have so excited to see that. I have no idea what happened in that movie. And there's other movies like that, too.

Like, I don't know what happened because I was on an edible. Cocaine Bear. It's going to be a time. Damon from Tex. As John likes to say, thank you for the moment. to silence. Career development. Thank you, buddy. Could you shout out my wife, Tycho Waititi? Tell her happy Valentine's Day for me. Christy Wait, happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day. Happy Valentine's Day. My God, you got a great, great hubby here, and he's lucky to have someone just as fine and understanding as you.

Plus, you guys must be so secure being that he's career development. That's amazing. You've got to have that ambition. right guy. Yeah, smart. But check out what Big Clarkie has to say. I assume they now have a portal to come to the quantum realm anytime they want. I mean, it would seem that way. Also, if they are quantum size, then what size are their atoms? Coy, you got 10 seconds.

Theoretically, everything would get denser as the scale shrinks because they're able to use that density to get violent because they're able to change that in real time with inertia. So conceptually, their atoms would be proportional to their size, but still that much smaller. You did it. Thank you, Big Clarkie. It's absolutely I would just condense. Oh, my God. That's why they have to wear the suit. It's so true.

But Daniel Jones has a question. He says, hey, guys, big fan of the channel. Did she all discuss if Scott effed up? I have a theory that this Kang wasn't the true villain. Just as approach about it was a more violent version of He Who Remains. I think that's an interesting idea that it's like each Kang we meet in this tan. The better argument for this isn't the prime Kang. We'll see him down the line is that, yeah, like, maybe.

this one was telling the truth in that you're not going to like what comes instead of me. And if you think I'm bad, that's even worse. And so maybe it is like, yeah, this guy's not a good guy. But at the same time, maybe he's not the worst guy. And maybe we should have listened. Sure. And that ties into that last ominous bit

of Scott Walking. I like that. Oh, my God. Yeah, absolutely. A hundred percent same page. Yes, and all the way. Nicolrath. Just left the cinema now, Michael Rath did. I really like it better than most of the films of Phase 4. I mean, do you, is there a, John, what's the thing you like least in phase four?

Oh, I set it up nicely for you. Probably Hawkeye. Do you like this more than Hawkeye? Sure. Yes, we got there. Coy? I don't like it more than Kate Bishop and, you know. Movie or all?

All. I think my lowest is what if, and I like that. this more than what if? Hell yeah. That's great to hear. My lowest was Shang Chi. What? And I like this more than Shang Chi. Black Panther Wakanda Forever is my lowest. Frank hated no way home. He told me.

Yeah, it was too woke for me. Jay told her. Too many women. They killed why they make Aunt May, Uncle Ben. Come on. It's right there. Come on. The agenda. Thanks for the super chat here, Jay. Hey, you guys, listen, we got to understand this was just an exiled king

in the quantum realm. Without the right things he needed. He can only do so much being smart. I thought he was fierce with a weakness of ants. Well, you know, I still feel like he was down there for a while and he had enough technology to conquer the quantum realm. I think that he still could have been more prepared and showed more of a ruthlessness and built some better things to combat people. And perhaps the movie would have just worked a little bit better for me if it displayed some of his excellent strategy during the battle. Because that's a big point. Part of Kang, strategist,

Navigator, The Art of War. I saw very little strategy after a point, and those first two acts, lots of strategy. He turned into fire everything. Well, I mean, it is his chance to get out. I don't know. We don't need to talk about it. I know, but he still couldn't use strategy.

Yeah, sure. John became a massive Marvel shill after the third viewing. I just had a way, it's like the movie. improved a little bit on technical rating but the experience improved to like an eight or so like I actually had fun the third time and even if I was like

logically I don't love this choice but the overarching whimsy and silliness brought everything together in a way that was really fun to experience especially with a crowd who again wasn't like oh yeah but was into it I would love to be a kid and watch this movie it's a very enjoyable experience

I think there's a big difference between I would love to be a kid and watch this movie and this is for kids And also, guys, they make these movies for kids. Because plenty of kids' movies are made for kids and adults. Plenty of things are enjoyable as a kid and adult. And I think you shouldn't lower your bar for the sake of it being enjoyable for all ages. Whoa, do you guys hear that? There's a moment of silence here from KDR 401.

Thanks, buddy. Raccoon shampoo. Thanks again, dude. With how fast Greg figured out the dog situation, a lot of credit goes to the misses as well. Maybe James Gunchic cast Greg is the DCU Flash. I would love to be him. I would only channel Ezra Miller the entire time.

I have no other brain for myself. Sure. Sure, sure. What's going on, John? Nothing. It's very intense focus. I have no idea what just happened there. I'm just reading some options.

Vasquez, Joseph. Thank you for the super chat. Loved y'all's content. But do you think the movie would have been more impactful or better if Scott had sacrificed himself? 100,000 percent, yes. So that hoping Cassie could make it back 100,000 percent, yes. I even had a little bit of call it nitpicking

I just think that if Kane really wanted out he wouldn't have wasted his time fighting Antman I think he would have got it out I was like the door's right there this guy's clearly down you could just run

just get over there he's got a couple times first I think he could have got it now or if he had lost something like in other trilogies yeah I mean this movie is full of signposts of like oh there's an opportunity for something rich there's an opportunity for something

rich, there is an opportunity for something rich, and they don't take a lot of them. I wouldn't have been as angry at the top of this conversation in live chat if I didn't have hope for what it could have been, and therefore these things are things that I noticed, and that was the problem. Yeah, the thing, though some of the most contentious

aspects of the movie are just potential not realized or not taken on the opportunity. I'm all the Ant Man Scott's in that scene going like, the potentials. Yeah. I just see all the potentials. And right now I'm Baskin Robbins, Scott just off either. Why am I here? do you have ice cream

I love do you have ice cream guy though that was always good well I gotta say though man but like Bryce Barris's comment here which I really appreciate he enjoyed the hell out of the movie he didn't go into it watching any videos or clips of it only the two main trailers it's a lot of it's mainly the movie

to edit the review for because the thing about our the review I did with John is we were all over the place so it took me a long time to edit it was almost 40 minutes of footage did and then I had so to make it easier to find my inserts i had to do a cut of the footage from the trailers and put it in timeline order of the movie to make it easier to find the footage and i was like oh most of the

movies in here which is an odd phenomenon where on the heels of the previous phase where they're like we're only showing you act one but i'm glad you i'm glad you really liked it though i mean yeah they sort of show you him fighting they literally have the big line of like we just both have to lose in the trailer i was like that's the that's the that's the end that's like 10 seconds later King loses. Caleb, I just love the shot when the helmet goes down in the trailer of Ant Man's helmet and you're like, oh, my God, he's going to die on like it's such a trailer shot because of like, I know it's going to be in the movie, but it's not going to be

this tone. And sure enough, that was the thing. And then, no, I am, we're safe. Yeah. Caleb, he says, I was just waiting for Dom Terrador to come in and save Scott with his charger and beat up King. I know. Family.

That would have been cool. In one universe it happened. It's true. There isn't all universe. I think John the Major's actually be a great villain for a fast and fantasy Oh, I would love that

He'd be a great bond villain too I love to see him like get to full issue series I only want to see him play villains Never a hero He's an interesting person Dom Torretto He was really a hero Devotion surprised me

Because I think of him Very like as a darker character But in devotion he had to play someone That was like Stoic because of societal expectations But still heroic And it didn't undermine his gravitas He's able to be like

Pensive in a very morose and sad way, and then the moments of heroism are really profound, because he never gets to be, like, the weight's always on his shoulders in that movie. He's so good in devotion, which I don't know. So true. I mean, Lovecraft Country as well. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Moment of silence from M. Severe.

Thank you so much for a super chef. Are you the one with the Toyota Celica? I have any beer you want, as long as it's a corona. He and Janet had coronas when they fixed the engine. I had a lot of things. Blade's not going to suck. They only got to reshoot and rewrite the whole thing.

I think it's going to be great because they took the time to do that. I was supposed to come out. Literally, the reason there's a November date for Captain Marvel to take is because that was where Blade was supposed to land. Exactly. That's how late this movie is. I think they pushed it for all the right reasons.

And they're shooting in like a few weeks now. Yeah. It's going to be R-rated. Yeah. No. No, it's going to be hard R. Hard R. NC-17.

I think Deadpool be a R. Actually, I think the 48% Ant-Man might get a this blade radar i'm sorry for saying all this agon zero one two i don't know if you watch jane previewed they said that phase four shouldn't have been named phase four but as an interlude stage interesting should have been don't call it phase four why this should have been the proper start to phase for it i mean thoughts phase one is disparate the only difference is that you have a definitive avengers to market yeah i think that the way that three extra and film work is the way the three-ext structures in the MCU works.

So you still need the phase one, which is the phase four. Yeah, there's just lots of debating and there's lots of, you know, stuff like that appropriate to a first act of something. I should call it phase woke, am I right? Men, right. Yeah. There are almost as many women as men in it. I hate that.

I hate that. Their job is just supposed to birth us. VATEMIC Jones. They hate Spiege. I liked this movie, but I have liked this movie. but I have liked majority of phase four. And now this unlike most people. Hey, question.

Thanks for being here. Do you guys think if Gardens of Galatty 3 gets negative reviews? I don't think it will, that people will give up on the MCU. There's no giving up on the MCU. Because the only thing that gets negative reviews are the Council of Critics that decide to assemble together and vote unanimously on what the percentage score should be. Will we like this one? And then the audience goes, rebel.

Blat or tomato? Will it be? Yeah, it's actually just, uh, Waukegee Phoenix. Just one guy. I think Guardians 3 is, is such an exception. Crime King is a movie. There's people, no one really goes like the Peyton, like there's a very few films.

Like Thor Love and Thunder gets a lot of crap from Tyca, Waititi, not necessarily Marvel, like Marvel definitely, but a lot of the conversation goes through Tyco Whiteiti's film. This will go more to James Guns, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, whereas like Amman and the was quantum mania. You got some people who acknowledge it's Peyton Reed's movie. It really feels like another Marvel film. You know what I mean? It feels like Marvel

directed. Also, look at Phase 4 actually, like it got a Shang Chi, it got us no way home, it got us Wakanda forever, even if you, I mean... Loki, Wanda Vision. Yeah, there's so much goodness in it. So I feel like people are just pointing out the negative because if there's 10 properties and three are bad, then

that's still a better ratio than most franchises. And there isn't that many bad compared how many are good. I think it's a very interesting thing that we're like so quick to judge they've given us way more good than that's what I'm saying I agree no I totally agree and I feel like when things are just kind of alright at people are more upset by it

that's not true you saw three times Adam Ramirez how is Sylvie gonna feel all those chickens huh what happened just now feed all those chickens things? Sylvie? What what's happening? What about chicken

Is she's supposed to be, is this like, are they going to make love or something? I just had a stroke. I don't know what's going on. What do chickens mean? Does this have something to do with the McDonald's thing? Sylvie from... Does she get nuggets for King? Loki. I don't understand.

These words don't make sense in this order to be. Adam Ramirez, if you're still in the chat, clarify. Help me out. We would love to answer your question. I love how confused I am. Averon. I need to spin off with the outcast characters. Oh my God, I would love that.

I would love for them to do a Daryl show. They're all. It hangs out with the outcast characters. I still want a pet Avengers, man. We've got enough. There's enough pets. It's true. We can make a pet Avengers.

I think they should do it without dialogue, too. Yeah. All upset. Yeah. Do it like homeward bound. It'll be like, what the hell's going on? Pizza dog and flurking cats. They should just have a lot of scenes where they, like, full-on scenes that are like 10 minutes long that are dialogue-driven, but they don't give us subtitles.

So it's just like a dog barking and a cat yelling for like 10 minutes. It's high art. I don't know what's happening. in this exchange. But I'm glad they dedicated the time. Procadile Loki walks by this little hat. Yeah. Sending extra love before

a head out because this was the best part of my weekend. Really? I always respect the thoughtfulness of your reviews. The weekends just be good. You got this. You got a whole Saturday night Sunday to go. That's so sweet to you. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, Heather.

Oh, my God. Do you. Disney does pay really well. I love how people were like all from those paid reviewers. I've never heard of someone. Disney paid reviewers to give it bad reviews. That would be awesome if they would pay. Thank you, Heather. I would gladly accept pay.

Pay me, and I will recommend your movie. I'll change my opinion, Disney. Delete all these videos. I will delete them all if you pay me enough to supplement the loss. Sure. Come on, Disney. Oh, my, it would be such a good video to monetize if I, like, expose Disney for trying to pay me. Oh, my God. How great of you.

I'll be like, I can make more money by exposing you. Double this money. Yes. Create fake news. Agon 012. Would it have been better if someone died who? Well, dude. No, Kang died.

It was great. Yeah, totally worked. It worked. I think, I think. Monodagh died. Tomoddard did die. I felt for a man. That was great.

He died an Avenger. He died in Avenger. All right. I think we're at the end here. Let me just do a quick refresh. Everyone holds your horses. everyone hold your horses steady steady keep cool that's how I have to talk to John Campia tomorrow

steady calm down John you're going to do the Chris Pratt hand with John Campion hey and Harloff though it's going to campy and Harlaw He's got to keep him Please please campy Whoa whoa what's he doing Hey hey

Here's a carrot Here's a carrot on stage. I'm very excited for this chaos. Vidito. Thank you so much here. I think Quantumania was me. Was you sending me in my own review? Ken was it was threatening because of job madge only. Quantum realm was

boring, characters, boring, story. Boring. Boring is a worst review for a movie than bad. Just mundane monotonous. Sadd, but whatever. I never found it boring. I never found it boring. I thought there were certain choices that were very stock, but

But yeah, I get what you mean, though, like something Met is worse than bad. They're not done. I just felt like Ant Man was sideline for the quantum realm. Yes, it's called Quantum Mania. It's also called Ant Man and the Wasp. Didn't feel like there were more...

You know, I'm Italian, so I feel like I could say the racial slur. That begins with the W. Ant Man on the Wap. I'm always tempted to say it. Sure. Didn't feel like they were important at all. I was flagged on Twitch the other day for saying the Irish word that rhymes with Rick,

and I was shocked. Like, I actually got, like, I thought it was mine. I thought I could. Now, which one of those two stories is more offensive? I didn't feel like they were important in all, and I just feel like, how? Unless, useless. This movie actually felt like Loki,

my favorite TV show all time, alongside, like, two other my favorite TV shit, not Marvel TV show. So if Loki 2 doesn't live up, I'll smack Marvel out of my life. Goodbye disappointment. Now I can live without constant fear of failure. He's got very, jeez.

That is a life-changing. It sounds like this movie was a great experience for you overall then. If you can alleviate that fear of failure, my God. That's profound. That's like therapy. John struggles with that on a minutes-to-minute basis. I do. Don't even. Don't speak the truth.

Every decision, man. Every decision. So much anxiety. All this multiversal shit has taught me anything. Every decision is significant. I love to see John in a probability realm. It will be a chaotic experience. Yeah, man.

It sounds like to me it was a worthwhile experience to get rid of that emotion for you, though. Hey, Diego, Alaska, thank you for the stream. I've been watching since I was 1-1, now 20, and wow, we've come a long way since Tasum 2. Also, I hope this age as well, but I really believe the next Superman movie could be one of the best Super Netflix ever. Superman done right is powerful. Oh, my God, yes. Have you guys seen Koi's video on DC versus the Snyderverse where he flat out says Zach Snyder's, movies are terrible and the fan base is the worst thing in the world.

That is what I say. Never watched Zach Snyder's Justice League. He said it. And I was right there looking at the video going. And then when he burned that picture of Zach Snyder. Yeah. Just like watched it burn up in his hand. Cackling maniacally.

Yeah. And then we did this great opacity effect where we blended you into the inglorious bastards. It was insane when they killed all the Nazis. People love the video. It was great. I think that Superman has to. be a force of hope and light

and I think that the world needs that more than ever so it the bar is high in this film now it should be Henry Cabell yeah playing Superman I would love to see Henry Cavill play Superman for the first star some buildings yes Lana Pico the superchats have closed you might be able to leave a sticker Bada Pico yeah yeah she's great she's awesome

horrific John subscribes for only fans number one customer there every only fans everyone send me send me your shit and I'll subscribe to you no no no it's okay I admit it right to Lana's only fan I don't think so.

Well, I would feel, I would feel strange. Maybe you shouldn't have, like, a professional. Maybe you shouldn't have watched Amman for a third time. And instead gone and checked out. With the people. Law is only fans. I went to be with the people. Quentin Watts said, and then court released a bunch of ants and Zach Snyder's head.

Yeah. And it's just happened to home. You're like, what? There's got to. And then, like, Zach wakes out of, I like ants. I'm just in his living room. I like ants. A rebel moon just has a bunch of ants.

It's living underneath it now. Trevor's like Hoy again. I like ants. Let me make sure this is the last of everything, including it is the last of that one. Everyone, everyone, cool your jets. Steady. Cool your jet screen.

Go subscribe to Lana's only fan. Oh, no, we did miss one super chat. One super. Look at this tree from chat. She made it herself. A tree sticker. Thank you, Jenny. So sweet.

So sweet. And last one from the Straitlander is Whitehawk 842. White Hawk, the best color. I'm split on this movie. I want to like this movie. But it feels like critics make it feel like it's wrong to enjoy something that others dislike. No. Critics make you feel that way?

No. Critics. Critics make you feel that way. Critics speak in superatives. that can make you feel. Not fandom. Critics can speak definitively in a way that makes you feel

like your opinion might be invalid by it. Yeah, that's not good. I think it's really weird that we look at Rotten Tomatoes as like, do I see this movie or not? I think you should look at a movie and go, I should see this movie or not. Like, it doesn't make any sense

to let critics affect your experience in general. Like, we should be the thing you refer to after you see the movie, and I don't even consider myself a critic. But like Greg said, we do critique on the internet and things are monetized. So, like, there's an element to that.

But it shouldn't be the deciding factor for you. And no one should control your experience of something. If you enjoy something and other people don't, you're in the benefit. You had two hours of better life than I did. If I didn't enjoy it for two hours and you did for two hours, I'm happier for your experience than mine. So don't let anyone inform anything you do except you. Well, and a critic is to speak within such an authority, do they?

I don't get that vibe. I also don't know any critic that I listen to. I think you can read, especially if you're reading, I think you can read a critic and feel like, yeah, This is a definitive statement on this movie. This is how it is. And granted, it's up to you to be like, no, it's still just their opinion. And in writing classes, they tell you, don't say, in my opinion, just say what it is.

Yeah. And so I do feel like the point is a critic. They do, yeah. Sometimes it's not universal. And obviously, people break from that. But yes, it's a formality that, like, in a newspaper review you might see or something like that. But I think the thing to remember is that if you are a person who really loves movies, who has seen a lot of movies, who cares in any way about cinema and filmmaking in an invested way.

Congratulations. You are at the rung of, you're pretty much like all the other critic. Critics are just people who've seen a lot of movies, care about movies, and have some vague knowledge of how they're made, and are giving their opinions based off of that. So really, the way critics get lumped

into this category of being like a whole other kind of person with a whole other kind of brain. It's so strange. It doesn't really, uh... No Jaws. Yeah, I don't understand the separation of you. humanity from critics like it's a very odd thing that's happened in the last 10 years with the online culture being what it is it's it's i feel like fandum is so much more regressive way worse fandom is full of critics phantom is like if if you if you like a big part of fandom doesn't like they they harass you and i'm not a paid critic i get death threats they harass you it's insane like every the top comment on our ant man video is like you guys recommended thor 11 thunder so

And I'm like, God damn, this shit haunts me. Every discussion of a movie. Thorloven Thunder is the only one that haunts me. I really don't mind admitting to a movie that I like if others don't. I don't mind liking, I don't mind not liking a movie either. Like, I really was under the impression quantum media. It's like, everyone's going to love this, and I'm going to be the only one that doesn't like. I was really under that impression.

I also had such a good time with Thloven Thunder with you when we did see it in the first time. There's a reason I don't really care for premieres anymore. But like, yeah. But Quantum Media, but no, throw a little of thunder. I'm like, no matter how many times I've said it, like, it only bothers me on that one because I'm like, I've said it 500 times. Second viewing, it did not. It really didn't work for me that much. Like, second viewing, it really did.

It went down a lot for me. But it was still haunted by that. And people are still saying it. I've seen, I've seen Real Rejects mentioned on Marvel Studios Reddits for liking, for being like, you can't listen to them. Wow. That bothers me because I feel like, a, especially. when it comes to criticism in general but I would say especially for movies like these

it should always be fun and a joy to talk about them and if it's getting angsty something is going wrong but also I just feel like people want in a weird way people don't like the critical hive mind and yet also still want there to be one accepted take on a movie so people go yeah you like blood and thunder so I can't trust you when it's like everybody has one or two movies that they kind of disagree

with everybody else on or that charmed them and you go, yeah, I get why this doesn't work for people. As much as I am the most positive on Thor Love and Thunder in this room and enjoy a lot of immediate things about that movie, I mean, sure, there are flaws with it. There are things that could be better easily. I happen to like it, and I don't

feel like that should discredit me. That should be another reason just to form your own opinion. Also, like, there's, everyone's experience going into the movie is... I think it discredit you, John. If you can articulate why you like something in a way that makes sense, I feel like you shouldn't be subject to... I want to use DC because it's not me.

you, but like DC, like BVS to me, those aren't the characters of Batman versus Superman, but I got more out of Shazam because I think adoption is really important, and I think family is really important, I think talking about your not blood family is really important, but if someone lived their whole life, I'm 34. So in 34 years, that's something that shaped

me is how important I think adoption is, how important I think family is and all those things. But if you don't share that, you might get more out of BVS than Shazam. But that doesn't mean Shazam is better than BVS or BBS is better than Shazam. It just means that what we go into that movie for, is different. So you can't listen to one person that didn't have your life experience. It's not

logical. So much less listening to critics as some sort of like above board Kang counsel. It makes no sense. Most critics I know are just people that love movies and a lot of them like that's their only thing and that also makes them differently cynical or differently joyous. It just makes them extreme and they have to write in black and white. So it's very silly to judge anything based on that. And everything we said today was our opinion, our experience that you happen to want to see if you were here most of you at the beginning of the chat was its own thing but most of you are here for the right reason and that's your choice so see what you want enjoy it want don't ever apologize for your opinion of joy on that note john loves thor love and thunder

i like it a lot it'll haunt us i have love for that movie i don't think it's a perfect movie no i do like it a lot so guys listen um no i still give thor love and thunder like a six out of ten it just makes the mark for me yeah anyway guys Listen, everyone, I want everyone to follow Koi on his YouTube channel. He's doing videos, and it's doing good. It's doing great. I want everyone to follow John at the Greg Alba and Dad John Humphrey. And at Rio Rejects.

And also, I want everyone here to know. I appreciate you being here. Everyone has been very kind. Well, not everyone, but you know what I mean. And this was a good time. This is great. Plenty of alcohol required. Everyone...

Remember drunk streams? Those are fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the streams are fun. But drunk streams were pretty wild. We should do an... Or drunk Super Bowl Day. I remember that one day we were doing like shots between every trailer.

We should drink Absin to watch Green Lantern together. I want to say to... I love that, Koi is 34. Does anyone have medicine for Koi? I got ants. So we got to end this now. I got to go do some editing and whatnot. But thank you for being here.

Thank you for everyone to contributor of Super Chats and Streamlabs. Your support means a lot. It all goes to fund Koi's retirement. So as a senior citizen, you can finally quit. Walkers aren't cheap. And Christine, thanks for being here. AARP member.

Thanks for everyone is going to show up tomorrow at the event. Hopefully I have some sleep tonight. And I want you to know the Reject Nation loves you all. Bye, Jenny, by Matt, by Bing Bang Boy, by Liam, by Alan Smithy. It should be thanks,

John Coying. Greg. No, it should be thanks Greg Coy and John. No, it should be thanks, coy. John, it's a smooth for ants. It should be thanks, ants. All right, guys, listen, I'm going to... Thanks.

I'm going to call it a day now. I believe. And I've saved enough animals. I awasca stream. I like ants. I like ants. I like ants. We'll see you guys soon.

John, how do I end the stream? You hit the big red button that says end the stream. And it will end the entire stream? It will close the stream down. and then you'll stop on the other software. Well. In tandem. See you guys.

Later, peeps.