The Reel Rejects - ARRIVAL (2016) IS PHENOMENAL!! MOVIE REVIEW!! First Time Watching!

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Starting point is 00:01:10 and get rewarded today. Terms apply, see Chevron-Texicorewards.com for more details. Aaron, do you have anything you'd like to add before we get started? I'm ready for to arrive. Aaron's ready, we are ready. Let's, uh, arrival. Commence. that's beautiful it's like you have to go through the process but i'm also like a little torn

Starting point is 00:01:40 because i'm like that's because you have a knowledge and you have the knowledge you have the deep personal intimate knowledge of the experience but he only has your words to to think about what you said he only has the um just to go off what you say. So the fact that he said, do you want to have a baby? And she says, yes. Knowing what's going to happen.

Starting point is 00:02:07 But then she would, she would know what's going to happen the entire time. I'm like, so you willingly put both of you guys through that experience. Yeah. And but you know intimately, definitively,

Starting point is 00:02:21 and then you don't tell him until years later that that's what's going to happen. Right, right. Before you even conceive the baby and have it. Yeah. Really quick. I'm going to continue on the conversation. If you are listening to us on Apple or Spotify, please give us five-star ratings.

Starting point is 00:02:36 We would appreciate it also cool teas like these. RejectnationShop.com. Aaron's got an incredible chesty shirt out right now. He's also working on some other really cool stuff that we will not reveal yet. Some stuff for Rejects that has never been released before, types of things. You'll be seeing them soon. Yes, being his roommate has privileges. But, yeah, thinking about what you said, I agree that is an interesting choice,

Starting point is 00:02:58 that she's not mentioning the fact that what's going to happen to the daughter but I think that what we said earlier better to have loved and lost than not have loved at all and I get it's a very hard choice but I gotta say too

Starting point is 00:03:12 that that twist that they had because again the way that they were structuring and the way they were editing and showing us like these visions that she was having it really made it seem like when you watch it for the first time that she's seeing things that are happening

Starting point is 00:03:26 from the past and I love that because of the and like she's having a cathartic experience like going through this like even though it's tough for her and she's having PTSD and trauma from the loss of a child of course that a parent wouldn't no it's like the experience that

Starting point is 00:03:41 she's happening with Habiting Constello is giving her the ability to time jump to the future a little bit and see have these visions it's a masterful mislead it's a masterful mislead like I don't know how you conceive of this idea that is the last thing I saw and I know I made the the semi-prediction. She's going to end up pregnant by the end of the film.

Starting point is 00:04:01 I didn't mean to have Hannah. I just meant to have like a new kid because she'd be too traumatized to have another child based on what happened with Hannah. I didn't, you know what I mean? So like the film went where I thought it was in terms of her getting pregnant, just not the way I thought it was going to go. No, not at all. So just masterful storytelling and masterful twist, not just to have a twist, but the way it was executed. It just so satisfying. unpredictable in the best kind of way mind effery in again the best kind of way um and i love that this film too again very slow burn type of film if you're not into slow burn films might not be your cup of tea but having said that i think because of the way the story is structured and like

Starting point is 00:04:47 the dialogue is so damn good and the characters are just there's so much emotional depth of these characters and the interactions are just so satisfying to listen to and following you're just always on the edge of your seat. I think it like having it be a slow burn film is just so appropriate like an a la like a 1979 alien. I think you just got to get that execution right. And whoever the screen I would imagine Denisville knew. I don't know. And whoever else wrote the screenplay of this, it just really nailed that down and just got it right when it came to that. Because you can really lose an audience on a slow burn film. And all are like, you know, just really contrasting that too. When it comes to fast pace, sometimes too, if you go fast pace, which a lot of us do like,

Starting point is 00:05:27 but also what I'm trying to say is like with fast pace if you're going too fast it's like whoa let me process what's going on here but I think this film does a great job really taking its time setting you up and really like letting you live in this world and letting you understand like you know what what the aliens are here to do letting us understand these characters are trying to learn the language and again just keeping you on the edge of your seat the whole time and with the suspense with everything just masterful but uh what other thoughts you guys yeah i uh i agree with everything you just said i'm sorry looking at the screen right here has district nine i'm like that's one i've ever seen i'd be curious what's phenomenal phenomenal

Starting point is 00:06:08 phenomenal movie i love to see your reaction to that heard nothing of great things i would love your reaction to that one oh man that's the uh this is an unfair part about our job we have to watch a mine effery movie and then have a fully formed analysis and opinion about the experience What I can say about my initial gut reaction after watching this is that it is definitely extremely well made, very well acted, an incredible score, incredible sound design, and has a lot of interesting things to say about language, humanity, loss, life, grief, and, you know, just having all of those things kind of encompassed and wrapped up into this kind of perfect bow and using the vehicle. of an alien invasion story to tell that. It's extremely powerful and extremely impressive. And I like the fact that, you know, I've seen a ton of alien movies since being on this channel

Starting point is 00:07:10 or the war of the world or Independence Day and so on, you know. And this one stands out as a whole different experience because of the fact that it's not about Earth versus humanity. it's earth trying to communicate humanity trying to communicate with aliens and that's the whole crux of the film and watching that unfold and taking this perspective what we believe to be a grieving mother and having it flipped on its head about a woman who is grieving and experiencing in real time is just adds a whole other layer of of complexity and death to this film yeah this is I imagine this is a movie they study in film school and I'm seeing it right now because as we're watching it

Starting point is 00:07:58 I'm like okay is this how would I classify this movie like it's technically science fiction obviously because of aliens but it's not an action movie and it's because it's not really action in it which is kind of wild it's an action I mean to science fiction drama that's that's the sci-fi drama yeah plus it literally says it on the screen but that's how I was thinking as we're watching before it showed it right there yeah yeah I didn't even see that yeah but yeah it's a science fiction drama and it's very intentionally paced and you know we were again watching this for two hours and i didn't feel it didn't feel it at all didn't feel it at all uh because just the way that they utilize the one the reveal of information how they kind of give you that over time

Starting point is 00:08:43 where they immediately get you on board and in her perspective and it makes you feel for her from the jump yeah and i don't know man this is just such a a unique experience because it makes you question things like okay our relationship with language right and how unifying it can be or how dividing it i was just thinking that too agreed uh yeah two things one i love how i'm gonna touch up on that point in a second i love how this film starts out with nonlinear storytelling so we can get that reveal twist later on in the film the movie itself is a palindrome yeah no for sure and again nonlinear storytelling yeah nonlinear storytelling can be such an effective tool as you just saw like this is one of the most effective nonlinear storytelling experiences i've ever had um i've said

Starting point is 00:09:36 it before on the channel um you know batman begins memento just two examples off the top of my head but this is again just when it comes to a mind-blowing twist and and just the way it's edited and paced again with the non-linear storytelling and just it's a theme in the film about time is not linear and I know I kind of said that line during it before they even mentioned it but in regards to what you said

Starting point is 00:09:59 and I like that that was a theme and a line said in the movie in regards to language being a weapon's the first thing he said to her it's like that's what you said like either in a book I believe is what he was reading it from or paper or something typically start because of language yeah for sure and that can be and also too that's also

Starting point is 00:10:15 what the aliens and her used to unify because that's what she did to call general shang he was she was speaking words to him like what her uh his dying wife was saying it's something that he could relate to like that's it was used as a weapon to bridge the gap between humanity and i thought like that's there's a powerful message in that like we can use our words like to either to divide and and conquer or we can use to unify i think there's something there's something unique about that no definitely which way you're going to use you know that that weapon weapon for good or into divide and conquer.

Starting point is 00:10:48 And I appreciated that message. I thought that message was executed so intently and perfectly throughout the film. Yeah, I think it was used very well in both the language in relationship from humanity to the aliens, but also amongst each other because we weren't communicating anymore. There's a sense of mistrust because we weren't on the same page, because we weren't utilizing language in an effort to help one another. And I said it during the film that, you know, I used to believe. something and there is a famous story watchman that kind of touches them now and we're going to say

Starting point is 00:11:22 how it utilizes that that theme or that device but i will say that when i was younger i used to believe that okay if aliens were to come down that would be the thing that would unite us right that'd be the thing that would put all aside all wars and differences because humanity as a species would need to come together to kind of confront this uh this odd this this foreign thing right but you know it's it's really interesting how realistic this kind of played it because there is this different sense of of cultural identity and processes that we all go through both as individuals and as cultures that would inform the way we would interact with something that is that is foreign or of unknown origin and because of those those sense of differences we then

Starting point is 00:12:08 operate from a place of of mistrust because we don't understand each other's perspective, but the beautiful thing about the what's it called septipods or no? It starts with an H. Heptephtapods. Heptipods. Heptipods in the movie is that because it is a

Starting point is 00:12:26 this thing that is separate from humanity I mean, it doesn't require a foundational sort of growing up with said language. Everybody's starting on the same playing field as far as learning

Starting point is 00:12:43 it and if you are taking the time to learn it what she is the teacher of you then are able to access essentially what what she has of sorts was having a deep understanding of the nonlinear nature of what the the hippopotamist experience and kind of gay and broaden your perspective and i feel like being able to broaden your perspective i don't know i feel like it would make me it either give me extreme anxiety, make me mad, or give me like a grand sense of peace. I don't know which one. I feel like each person based off their own individual experience

Starting point is 00:13:22 and then cultural influences would kind of determine where you would land with that. So it's very interesting that we have a movie kind of exploring that as a concept. Now, I still feel like, you know, a little messed up, you know, not to go for having a kid and then not tell your husband to,

Starting point is 00:13:41 way later that like oh yeah our our child is going to die of a disease and you know we you just got to brave it out just got to thug it out and i'm not going to let you in on that really quick and i'm sorry dinner i did jeremy well did jeremy renner's character know that she could see the future or did was he not aware of that so she so i when i'm picked up on in the story that there was a time where they were all raising they're both raising handed together and then when she was a little kid right that's when daddy left which means there was years that had gone by where they were raising and then she told him that that i understood and then he left i'm just asking did he know that she could see the like she could time jump in or

Starting point is 00:14:22 whatever and see the future did he know that is what i'm asking did we did we learn that at all throughout the film i don't everything you just said everything you just said i did know for sure she wrote a book about it yeah but i don't know if he knew about her experience i'm i have to imagine that she never told him about what she learned and experienced. Because I remember they said in the film like when you told Daddy about whatever he got mad. Yeah. Or she said that whatever. So, I mean, if you

Starting point is 00:14:49 knew, if I knew my wife could tell the future and then she but she also knew about the fate of our daughter for years and didn't tell me, I'd probably be pissed too. I wouldn't I wouldn't like abandon my daughter. I'm like, this is like, it's a unique and different situation. Like, I don't know how I would handle

Starting point is 00:15:05 that is what I'm saying. Yeah, I would feel really hurt and betrayed. Yeah, I would feel conflict and like what do I what do I say here yeah I'm not saying like she made the right decision I would just say it's a very unique and different type of situation that a normal human being has to I'm not defending her I'm just saying it's a different situation that most human beings would ever have to deal with it is different I get it from her perspective she because like she embraces like life and death and the entirety of the human experience and I feel like that's a whole other can of worms because we really only get to see that from

Starting point is 00:15:34 her perspective and nobody else is kind of right point of view on that but I just definitely think conceptually it's very interesting we kind of get to explore that for sure last thing i just want to say about language being used as a weapon for you know we talked about the good portion of it and also a little bit of the divide and conquered uh thing and then i'll get to the trivia if you don't have anything else we we saw that um you know we we saw like the it seemed like a guy who does conspiracy theories or whatever on like the youtube channel or the news or whatever yeah like it was influencing uh some of the soldiers which caused them to get into a fear panic inducing mode understandable from the perspective of yeah that is and that i think that adds to the

Starting point is 00:16:13 groundness of of the film too because and also too like seeing everything from the human's perspective rather than going right oh my god the aliens the spectacle of all that like i think they really chose smartly and how they executed with all of that but again i think like again that adds to the groundedness and the realism from just seeing like how you words and language can be used as a tool for again dividing and just dividing and used as a fear-inducing mode in terms of like look what happened in these soldiers because they were so in they were so stricken with fear and thought of the worst possible scenario with these aliens that they knew really nothing about they went to the most extreme uh you know

Starting point is 00:16:55 method putting c4 on the damn thing crazy um so that's why we you know we're just talking about the contrast between using language uh for good or either for you know for bad bad purposes and again i don't i'm not saying that the conspiracy theorist i don't know what their intent or their motive is but if you're doing something like that like it can cause negative effects too so you got to be very careful with what you lay out and what information you were throwing out there yeah the lack of knowledge understanding causes man to do all kinds of things yeah for sure um do you have anything else you'd like to say or should i um fear is a tool and a curse and a weapon and it's sad that yeah yeah it's it's sad that it's it's utilizing the way it does and this film

Starting point is 00:17:39 illustrates that perfectly and that's it's all to say uh so director deneval new and screenwriter eric he he'ss how do you pronounce heserr hisserr yes sir yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i apologize yeah created a fully functioning visual alien language er i'm just going to say screenwriter eric so i don't keep butchering his name Screenwriter Eric and Villeneu and their teams managed to create a logogram Bible, which included over 100 different completely operative logograms, 71 of which are actually used in the film. Holy crap.

Starting point is 00:18:17 Yeah. That's awesome. The inky circular alien language was created by Montreal artist Martine Bertrand. It is also the artist's son who created Hannah's drawings. Wow. That's very cool. While the shape of the ship was decided early on, Denis Villanue had greatly...

Starting point is 00:18:34 had great difficulty imagining an interior that would allow humans to easily navigate through such a steep and vertical design the later decision to turn gravity sideways offered an obvious and convenient solution yeah totally Ted shang who wrote the story the film is based upon approved the film saying i think it's the rarest of the rare in that it's both a good film and a good adaptation and when you consider the track record of adaptations of written science fiction that's almost literally a miracle. This means the king of adaptations, man. From this to Dune.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Oh, by the way, the cinematographer I looked up was Bradford Young. Don't know him. Yeah. Dirty sci-fi is what director Denisville knew and cinematographer Bradford Young called The Look. They created together for a rival. Villeneu wanted it to feel like this is happening on a bad Tuesday morning. Like when you were a kid on the school bus on a rainy day and you dream while looking out the window at the clouds. Mission accomplished.

Starting point is 00:19:35 Definitely. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Amy Adams was De Neville News. First choice for Louise. She agreed to the role within 24 hours of receiving the script. That's great. She saw the future. She saw the future.

Starting point is 00:19:46 She's how good the film was. She's like, I'm doing this. God's too. Work decision, Amy Adams. Yeah, let me just see some. The score music on The Nature of Daylight by Max Richter is also used in Stranger than Fiction, Shutter Island, and Disconnect. let me just do one or two more on the spoilers end

Starting point is 00:20:06 the reason the ships never touch land is explained by production designer Patrice Vermet stating and I quote the 12 identical ships would travel across the universe and end the journey by hovering 28 feet above the ground in delicate equilibrium leaving it to Earth's people to make the final outreach to contact them in the source novella Hannah dies at 25

Starting point is 00:20:34 in an accident while climbing a mountain that means that Louise knows well in advance of her death from something seemingly avoidable but has come to accept its inevitability which leads to which lends a far darker tone to the story I mean because that one again like that one's totally avoidable but with a disease it's kind of like the whole superman

Starting point is 00:20:56 I know we talked about Superman and Man of Steel thing, but when you talk about Superman and Man of Steel, like in general, normally in the Superman story, when it comes to Paw Kent, Jonathan Kent, usually, and I love this lesson for Superman, when his dad has a heart attack, there's nothing Superman can do about that. It doesn't matter how amazing his powers are,

Starting point is 00:21:14 but when it comes to it, and again, I love Man of Steel, but one of my little issues with that film is what, I get what Zach Snyder and company tried to do, but when the whole tornado thing, it's like, again, he wasn't ready to reveal himself to the world but because he runs in Super Street could have been avoided it was a very avoidable death and again I don't like the lesson there

Starting point is 00:21:34 where he could have saved his dad there but didn't because he wasn't ready to reveal himself I get what the intention was but I just love the heart attack thing like it's avoidable and I kind of feel like the same thing here like with the disease there's I guess the only thing she could do is just not have the kid but then in the in the but again I like the idea that she's she's kind of gone with the

Starting point is 00:21:56 it's inevitable like you know with the mountain one like the fact that she could stop it that's a really interesting dichotomy it makes her more um I guess she technically is omnipresent but I guess with the ending like her daughter falls off a cliff

Starting point is 00:22:13 when she's older makes her um I don't know like it kind of reminds me like Doctor Manhattan like there's this like layer of like coldness removed from it but also doubling on the choice I don't know I like the movie's choice better

Starting point is 00:22:26 because I agree with you that's why I was trying to yeah because yeah you know if there's a definitive end and the fact of you losing her as a child as opposed to adult that just her breaks my heart even more

Starting point is 00:22:39 even though losing a child in general was sad but the fact that she's like still a kid also I think it hides the fact that you know that mind blowing reveal was oh my God that's the future if you would have showed it to as her as 25 and like it's kind of like wait

Starting point is 00:22:52 she looks way younger than when she would. Is her being 25 years old? Like, and she's a, I'm so confused right now with the age. It makes the twist work better than she's young. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I think, like, they made the right changes, you know, from adaptation to this. So I think when you're doing it with a book, it's a little easier because you can't visually see anything.

Starting point is 00:23:11 You can only visualize in your mind. So I think for an actual film, I think they made the right choice in my opinion. It makes me curious about the book, though. Definitely want to check that out now. Yeah. Anyways, guys, what did you? think of arrivals is this one of your favorite alien films one of your favorite deneville new films we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments if you've stuck with us this long we appreciate

Starting point is 00:23:30 you and uh yeah we shall see you on the next one don't forget to yeah do that yeah later guys what you got a dealia chamberlain i mean if anybody at the patreon would be the person to crack communication via sophistication with an alien nation. It would be Adelia Chamberlain. I didn't intend for the rhyme part of this. Constipation. Hey.

Starting point is 00:24:04 Exaltation. Adelaus fornication. Ooh. And also, I have much adulation for Adelia. Well, dealing with frustration. Oh. Ooh, and contemplation at this, at this rock and roll station, menstruation as I dive into a meditation.

Starting point is 00:24:35 Ooh, and take my medication. Would the, go into a different location? Ooh, and be very patient. What are we arriving? Uh. What I thought we were arriving in Chamberlain? What happened? We got lost.

Starting point is 00:24:50 chamberlain i kind of stretched into the other rhymes yeah we could switch over chamberlain that's even even harder one chamberlain no we could play berlin with chamberlain chamberlain angerman you're sure anchorman anchorman uh uh banker pen this is the art of communication This is truly language and interpersonal expression is for. Edelia Chamberman and communication. That's right. Communication.

Starting point is 00:25:28 Are we talking about communication again? Because arrival is largely about communication. It's right. And there's like a time thing about it. Dylation. That's right. Dylation! We got it back around.

Starting point is 00:25:41 This is perfect. Merry Christmas. My God, that was the best show. Yeah, I think it was great. Oh, we can just stop it right here. Put a pin in it. I'm definitely not folding my arms and tensing my shoulders that of uncomfortable. That is me being comfortable and relaxed.

Starting point is 00:25:55 Yes. Yes, this is my happy posture. My resting posture. Me and Nosferatu. I'm supposed to react to it. I know. I'm ex-invited us and I said, go to hell. Sons of bitches.

Starting point is 00:26:12 That's right. Invite me when I want to go to here. me once I've already reacted to have a private screening just for us we were gonna do that I guess what else is gonna do well you know I also would appreciate it like well yeah that's true I guess you can't box with all her questions his hair with yelling yeah it does not seem like the kind of just saying like that music's good and and how much it are connecting with the characters yeah it's not modern day psychology boy over intellectualizing and like

Starting point is 00:26:45 getting into a drug trip that's why they're all bottom of the that's why only we are capable of understanding putting others down to lift ourselves that's right just like a delia that's what you use your language skills for communication right there's what we like to see and hear anyway merry christmas happy new year trump 2029 thanks dear

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