The Reel Rejects - AVENGERS DOOMSDAY: Reacting To These CRAZY Cameo Rumors From X-MEN Writer!

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

WILD That Someone From Marvel Put This Out! Greg Alba and Coy Jandreau (DC Studios) break down the insane casting rumors dropped by legendary X-Men writer Chris Claremont, including multiversal variants, returning legacy actors, and what it means for Avengers: Doomsday. Plus: The pros & cons of cameos from No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and Deadpool & Wolverine. Start your online business with a $1 per-month trial when you visit https://www.shopify.com/rejects! RUMORED: • RDJ as Doctor Doom, alt Iron Man & more • Evans as Lord Hydra, Evil Cap, Young Cap • Olsen returning as a "good" Scarlet Witch • Famke Janssen back as Jean Grey • Psylocke being recast • Wolverine (Hugh Jackman?) killing a major MCU hero? CONFIRMED CAST & CHARACTERS – Avengers: Doomsday: Robert Downey Jr. (Iron Man), Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Anthony Mackie (Captain America), Sebastian Stan (Winter Soldier), Letitia Wright (Shuri), Paul Rudd (Ant-Man), Pedro Pascal (Reed Richards), Vanessa Kirby (Sue Storm), Joseph Quinn (Johnny Storm), Ebon Moss-Bachrach (Ben Grimm), Benedict Wong (Wong), Simu Liu (Shang-Chi), Tom Hiddleston (Loki), Danny Ramirez (Falcon), Florence Pugh (Yelena Belova), Wyatt Russell (U.S. Agent), David Harbour (Red Guardian), Hannah John-Kamen (Ghost), Lewis Pullman (Sentry), Tenoch Huerta (Namor), Winston Duke (M’Baku), Patrick Stewart (Professor X), Kelsey Grammer (Beast), Ian McKellen (Magneto), Alan Cumming (Nightcrawler), Rebecca Romijn (Mystique), James Marsden (Cyclops), Channing Tatum (Gambit). Upcoming MCU Releases: Ironheart, The Fantastic Four: First Steps, Avengers: Doomsday, Avengers: Secret Wars, Wonder Man, Daredevil: Born Again Season 2 Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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in just what has happened in there citizens of the Reject Nation. Welcome to the R-E-A-L rejects podcast. If you thought real R-E-E-L was corny, wait till you hear the title of R-E-A-L, a play on the corny.

Real. Making it double the corny. Anyway, I'm Greg. That's Coy, and we never do intros like this, but we're doing it now. I was confused. Why don't you go ahead, leave a like on that video there, sir? That means a lot. subscribe click that bell we upload these generally every friday unless something is so important we got to upload early chairs or if we're too tired and we upload it the next day but usually on fridays coy today i thought it would be fun to react to some weird ass avengers doomsday rumors okay so the one that it kicked off from huntsville pop culture expo this was in front of a live audience okay From legendary Marvel comics writer Chris Claremont. One of the goats. Goats as Why. What have you read from Chris Claremont?

That's so good. He's Days of Future Past in that whole era, man. He's Dark Phoenix. He's Chris Claremont. If you know X-Men, I would say you probably know the Claremont Burn era. He is, I think, one of the great voices of X-Men. He is what added a lot of the soap opera elements that I think of sustained the X-Men out of being different than a lot of other teams.

he reinvented and reinvigorate the X-Men in so many ways, and he's one of the longest running ones. He still comes back and writes X-Men. And what's cool is Chris Claremont will come back and he'll write something in the canon of his old stuff. So he'll write X-Men like a la 70s 80s today, and it'll be like, insert this year in continuity. So I really dig his vibe.

Fun fact about Chris Claremont, I went to the Dark Phoenix premiere and he's the only person I've ever heard of my life. And this is a testament to how much this man loves soaps. That was like, you know, I think that worked for me more next too. And I was like, wow so Chris Claremont with a hot take he's got a very specific vision and I think it really translates to comics he sees the characters in movies differently than me clearly but I think that

he is such a font of knowledge and passion that even if he has a take that I don't agree with I love where he's coming from well you're ready to hear what he told the audience he told the audience some casting rumors that he's heard okay and it's just kind of wild that he's just saying this set of panel and and part of me is going okay did is is this real um how would he not be scared is he trolling i i have not heard so how extreme these are all right well the first big one that was making the rounds robert downy junior will not only play victor von doom dr doom but also an alt-universe iron man and two other unspecified characters how about this let's let's have a little fun okay let's have a little fun let's treat it

you can tell me if you think before you tell me if you think it's real let's first act like it's real okay and no that's a stupid direction let's take this back what are your thoughts going um i think um okay i think that it is likely that we'll see more than one number tony junior do you want that though no i i don't know if i don't know if i want i don't know if you're going to bring him back just have it be this this one you don't need to drive home the point to me that this is some multiversal we get that that's not iron man yeah but if you make him another iron man well then it is iron man again i think they're going to have a hard enough time with the he can play victor von doom he can i i love his work outside of the mc u

i do not doubt robert tony junior as an actor for one minute i doubt our ability to separate him in the MCU from Ironman. When the teasers came out with the chairs and then he turned around and did like very Iron Manny things, I was like, oh no. And so I worry in the film it's going to be something similar where it's like, I want to be very sure

he's Victor von Doom. The last thing I'm going to want is to see any other thing and be like, but also this. I think it undercuts, I think it undercuts his presence. Character's too important. Yeah, I think it would undercut RDJ

just being on screen. Yeah. If there's other versions. And, you know, very, can be fun. Obviously variants can be a lot of fun and it usually depends on how a variant

is used. I actually think the montage when you're going to get all the variants out of the way and Dead Pull and Wolverine. Genius. And the Caval Choice is genius. It's great usage because it's meant to be exactly what it is there. Just fun little Easter egg moments, little

dopamine hits of Easter eggs. And that's all supposed to be. It's not supposed to be like actual characters that he's playing or some shit. And that's then sometimes when you are with the variance, that's part of what makes it weak is because they're not feeling like actual characters. If they die, we're like, well, that's not

the them. Yeah, it feels like dress up and then, you know, one of the worst moments in post-credit scenes to me was the Kang post-credit scene in Ant-Man Quantumania. I sometimes just look it up to laugh at it.

My big thing is like, it's already affecting the present with like when they did the chairs and the Thunderbolts Their name started popping up. I remember being like, well, that kind of undermines. And this is separate from the whole experience, just the press experience. It's like, well, then other people were like, well, they could be variants. And I was like, are they going to introduce variants of characters?

We're about to get a solo movie up for the first. So I think the very definition of variant as it's been used in the MCU hurts the heart of a narrative. Yeah, there's something about it that reads is not that important. And I think if you're going to have even an alt-universe Iron Man appear with Robert Downey, junior we're going to want him to feel like a character yeah and not just a cameo and i i don't they can do that they can absolutely pull it off like best use of variance to me in terms of character would be the inclusion of andrew garfield and toby mcuire who felt like real characters i i would also and they are variants that have lived their time and history and i think

the only time you actually get to feel the weight is when they've got their own things that's why even blade showing up has an effect even though he's not We've got years of history. And I think the closest that is in modern time with the limited screen time is Gamora. I think Gamora and Guardians 3 was impactful because we felt the tension of the lack of what Star Lord and Gamora were feeling. Yeah. That wouldn't have worked if we hadn't had two movies with our Gamora. And also the conflicting identity it gave for Gamora and, yeah, the sense of like who she could become.

That loss, I felt. But that only worked because we had so much time with her. If we just meet this new Iron Man, it's going to be like, well, that's kind of like Iron Man. So I don't love it. But the idea that it's going to happen, yeah, we'll see probably more than one R. DJ, even though we don't want it. Okay. So next one, Chris Evans.

Evans will return. He's obviously denied this, portraying multiple versions of CAP. One being an evil Captain America, you know, like a Captain Hydra. Thoughts, I think likely. I think it's so funny. So I have not heard any of these. So I love that Chris Claimant's just like, well, in the script I got, he's just reading this.

Crazy. I would say likely we get Hydro Cap, likely we get a take on Nomad. I think this will be the cap thing. I think we'll likely feel like the Deadpool secrets. Really quick. Can you quickly explain Hydro Cap and Nomad? So Nomad is when Captain America disavows his allegiance to the country itself and he is a man without a flag. Like he is a nomad. He is seeking his own moral compass. Infinity War is like slight homage. Yeah. It's an homage. And Winter Soldier like acknowledges him being like this. isn't what I agreed to. So I think we've had seeds of it, but we haven't seen the full tree. And then Hydra Cap is, it was a clone of Captain America that took over for quite some time. And he was evil. And there's a moment where he whispers, Hail Hydra.

And there's a twist involving Red Skull by the time you get to the end of the run. It's a lot. It's real extra. But I think people would definitely pop to see, like, Hydra Cap. Also, Chris Evans loves playing a Knives Out kind of character. I think he'd have a lot of fun putting on the Spangle and then be in a dick. Do you think it will be a character, though? I think it'll be a scene.

Ah, yeah. I don't think we have time for more villains. I mean, the cast is already so huge. And do you need screen time. Yeah, because it's sort of what, when you look back on the chair experience of, I love how that's a thing. When you look back on the chair thing with, with it, it's, it is exciting when you get all the list of names and we got to cover it. But there's like, there's no way you have time to service this to be truly. impactful characters

or have like real presence you are giving away essentially what is probably a lot of cameos and cameos should not be announcements no and the weight of the thing we're going to feel towards those chairs when we see them is their past and the history we have that take if you bring in a new

version of that character and we if we know Hydricat for five minutes our entire experience is five minutes if we see Ian McKellen as Magneto our entire experience is 20 years but let's play the opposite here I'm going to try to get us with a different attitude. Okay.

The positive. What would be the positive experience of, let's go back a little bit with seeing an alt universe Iron Man, what would you think would be the positive for you in that audience? Would you immediately, I know us well enough to know that we wouldn't be 100% cynical. Maybe not even, maybe not even right away. We'll probably be like pretty positive right away. It'll be excitement out of the novelty.

I think there'll be an absolute joy of like, oh my God, Iron Man. Like I think it's been long enough since Endgame. we'll be excited to see Iron Man. I think the other thing could be using him for emotional turmoil with the characters we have knowing he's not there. And there's that bitter sweetness of, I know I lost my father figure and this isn't him, but I feel that.

Just like I'm saying the negative about him playing Doom could be a positive in narrative. If you make it like, I'm aware that you're not blank, but I want you to be. And I know that intelligently, this isn't the Iron Man I know. If they write that well enough, it could be an emotional beater.

or two, but I worry that it'll still not translate as well as it would need to, but that would be, you know, the excitement, the novelty, and also some emotional manipulation of characters we love. Yeah. I think if they really let Chris Evans lean into being evil Captain America,

I think it would be very memorable. I think what he did with Human Torch was great. This could be even more. Well, I think if they didn't, if they actually attempt to make him imposing and scary and intimidating, versus something cool to look at or something fun something to mock right because that's what like the johnny storm cameo turns into is something to

somebody starts like kind of cool then it turns into he literally falls on his crotch yeah it's a yeah um yeah it's weird like i i i i love that cameo the first time i saw it fucking blew me i was freaking out the theaters the second time i watched it i didn't like it as much because it does just become like dude who falls on you know hits his crotch and he's just a punch line yeah after teasing the audio but then but then when i talk about i'm like it's kind of funny to me that they would actually do the flame on and then they just turned in some like stupid dick joke. It works for me.

I go back and forth. Sometimes I really like it and sometimes I don't. But Hydro Cap wouldn't work because we don't have the history with them for that joke to land. If they just make up a punchline, it's like, well, that's not a service to the character. Can't just be a moment or a lineup, like an Illuminati lineup. But I think if they do let him do some type of performance, even if it's a few minutes that has some type of weight to it, I think it would be pretty sweet. Seeing Downy Doom, evil, working with Hydra Cap, evil, if they let them actually like, if you let Chris Evans and Downy Jr. play their malice and it's a cool scene, that'd be awesome.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll give that all its flowers. A thousand percent, right there with you. All right. Next one. Elizabeth Olson will return, but it'll actually be a different version, specifically a good version of the character. That would undermine both multiverse of mandatism and Wanda vision, which would be impressive. because like we had an arc

that got devalued by a sequel like Wanda Vision was nuance and then Scarlet Witch in multiverse was just like blah and then I felt the weight of what Elizabeth Olson was bringing to the scene she was in but the writing kept taking out moment like it felt like it was missing full scenes

it felt like we had a one like it was if it was a 10 beat arc she got to arc 7 in Wanda vision and then it did 8, 9 10 and I feel like if you make her good then it's implying that she wasn't good in Wanda vision and if you her bad it's not quite you know what I mean like I feel like they have a very tricky thing if they do any variants of Scarlet Witch I think Scarlet Witch deserves to either have her redemption

arc as our Scarlet Witch or turn full Scarlet Witch and actually have her get there yeah either way she needs a lot of screen time I don't think there'll be a variant of her I think she will be back I think she'll be back I don't think it'll be a variant and I couldn't be more excited for her to come back I love her taking the character I actually like her take more than a lot of the runs of the comic like she improves on the comic for me I got a question for you, Coy. Got a question. Am I forgetting about some other female character in the MCU that we hear a lot of people talk about really wanting them to return?

Black Widow. Do people really want Black Widow to return? I think they hated that Black Widow, the movie came out after she died. Okay. So that makes them want her back to, like, fix it. Like I feel like the you think so I think the OG 6 is still beloved I think the first six Avengers cast

are like that's what people want to see so outside of them because Scarlet Witch is pretty much the only one who is not definitively dead to me at least they're very clearly like that it's a rubble point people survive way worse like nexus level being

daredevil murdered a man in the second episode and then he had a little neck brace on his goddamn neck on the ground woke up and this was a normal cop who just a dude had a little bit of a crack in his neck is all he had so i think scarlet witch could survive some rubble i think she's just fine i would not be surprised to see her again and i think she's playing werewolf i think she's into her fielding all this press i think she's going to i think they all have to and at the same time i think marvel also wants some of this out there

that's what's funny is i feel like they would be told to say no and then they'll be like well my chair's out there like i feel like they wanted to reveal it their way i think they want the rumors out there but not the confirmation they're trying to find like the middle ground which i respect holding the PR it's another it's a year away it's interesting to me how i would believe this famkey jansen reprising her role as phoenix i'd be surprised if she doesn't show up it would be odd if if she isn't in it yeah it's it's interesting how they're that is my miss i'm not missing anything on the cast right that it's all the original ex-man actors it's not the first class right era yeah yeah and like no Anna Pac-win, no Fomka Jensen, no Halliberry.

Sophie Turner. Yeah, not, but I'm saying even from the original cast, yeah. They didn't announce Fomka, Halley, or Anna Pac-win. I would be, oh man, you got, I think, I think more than anyone, I think Anna Pac-win is so- She's the lead of the first movie. Lead of the, yeah, Rogue is so important. People forget that because her role becomes less important, but it's featured. And then the Rogue cut of Days of Future Past is so beloved.

Yeah, and it's like a better film. It's a better cut. And, yeah, but Famkey Jansen, that would be cool for her to come back yeah she did yeah that was exciting when she was teased to be phoenix i remember being the theater that was a fucking exciting ass moment the difference between x2 and x3 you asked me about a diary of a real reject like that's my biggest drop and like that's my biggest disappointment in superheroes is x-man 3 and she never had the opportunity to actually uh do it some justice i don't know if this would allow the screen time or the opportunity to do it some justice other than going you still exist and look at her

break into a power for a mom that's the thing that that is the combativeness here in my own brain with these cameos and the excitement of it is oh what could happen cool but probably be just so short-lived it'd be like good enough for a social media clip yeah it would be like someone making a 20 favorite cameos clip like and that's my concern of of the movie is we need to focus on doom so much that these cameos are going to be even shorter potentially and and that's really worrisome with how what i love about thunderbolts was it's pacing and i worry that it inherently you know going into these big event films you can't do something like that yeah pamkin jansen man she's the shit yeah agreed yeah that's what i associate it's so funny that so many exmen are associated

with just yelling someone else's name jean no jean jean that is him most of the wolvering not specifically suggests she'll not be portrayed as Asian. A new actress will be portraying the character. She's been British and Asian and both. She gets body swapped and taken over in the comics, which is very complicated. I would be surprised. I mean,

I love Scylock as a character. And I thought Olivia Munn did a pretty great job considering. Like, she didn't have a lot of screen time. But when she was there, she learned martial arts. Like, she learned sword training.

Like, I was very impressed with what she did. We didn't see a lot of the martial arts. are training on screen. One of my favorite clips of Olivia Mun and Silak is her with Ryan Reynolds behind the scenes at Comic Con

like the fact that we really didn't get to see her but I don't know if Livy Munn's acting a lot anymore so I could see them recasting because of that but also I don't know how much people are tied to Sylock

except diehard comic fans and would we need Siloak to appear in here I would rather see her if they're gonna recast I'd rather see her get her own like journey in the X-Men movies

after Secret Wars. She's a character I'd like to see more of but actually. How'd you feel in Deadpool and Wolverine when there was all the variants of the X-Men character. They had like a juggernaut. They had a lady Death Strike.

They had a, I mean, there was a toad. That wasn't Ray Parker, right? So they had these other characters in the background who were featured in the X-Men movies, but they didn't have them reprised them and they were just people playing dress them. Did that bother you at all? It felt like if they hadn't called it out as like the dollar store version of them, it would have. But since they made it clear that like these are the variants that are like, you know, it made it part of the play.

plot. So they said how like we don't see a lot of Xavier's here. They do occasionally they don't see a lot of Wolverines. Like they acknowledged it and also that they were like the cheap versions of. The things that like worked for me worked there, but I do think that is inherently the problem with variance

is when you do have an alt that isn't your iconic prime universe one, you feel like eh? So that would be my concern with siloac is if you want it to feel like a moment and then you there was a slylock in it in Deadpool Wolverine. If you have a slylock in movie and you're like this is slylock and it's not

Olivia might I'll be like is it yeah and so they would need to make it and then we don't want too many punchlines this movie's supposed to be more serious than Deadpool. Deadpool works because it's a Deadpool movie like the tone of Channing Tatum's Gambit which I think he will do like Thor does where it's going to be a different level in in this movie but if you've

got a jockey variant thing I don't know it'll work in something like doomsday so that's why when I read specifically sidelock's name I was going do we need sial like to appear in here like I see the argument for all the other ones we listed. Yeah. But Seilock. To me, Sylock would be better served to wait and have her get an arc.

Especially if it's not going to be Olivia Munn reprising the role. There's no point in having, I don't think there's a necessity to have the character that isn't nostalgia for the version we had, yeah. Yeah. According to the internet, Ray Park did reprise the role. He just didn't get any lines. That was Ray Park in the movie? That's what this says.

Huh? Yeah. It does. especially after having one of the most iconic you know memeable moments of the series yeah opposite storm

that and that's he lost his tongue in the lightning bolt that happened to anything else that's crazy I didn't know that was Ray Park he's a good actor don't you people ever die Wolverine

is one of the hinted ones or hinted he hinted out Wolverine appearing in here yep how exciting is that coy I mean I don't honestly have secret wars where you should appear yeah i think deadpool mulverine you hold the secret words because what do you have left to hold unless unless they're doing all the characters we've

seen so far plus fox and then they're going to save secret wars to add in sony like i could see them adding in the sony universe and like you know maybe the stuff that's like all the other spin-off characters like that are owned by marvel because we've had our spider man and that sony stuff but we still haven't had ghost rider we still haven't had um daredevil we we had electra like i could see them saving that for Secret Wars? It's a weird thing talking about this film. When you look at the trajectory of talking about Marvel movies with the lead up to Infinity War, the idea of all, we believed all these characters would come together. They were telling us all that they all would and most did come together. It was awesome. They pulled it off. And Spider-Man No Way Home turned

into this whole other fiasco of who will be in it. What can be in this movie? How? How would you possibly do that? Like, I read almost every plot leak and rumor and things were crazier than the actual movie. And the movie delivers pretty well on the craziness to get Toby and Andrew back to not just show up and do the pose. They literally are characters with performances. And same goes for a few of the villains as well. And then with Multiverse of Madness, they took the Spider-Man feeling. And I think understandably so when you make your post-credit.

the Dr. Strange multiverse of madness trailer after experiencing a multiverse of madness in the Spider-Man world. And then people went theorizing like crazy and it didn't live up to the crazy amount of theories. And then in the lead-up two, they ruined a lot themselves. Like, giving away Professor X was kind of a huge thing that made you go, if this is what they're willing to show, must be more. We covered all that together. We were all like animated universe. And it wasn't anywhere near.

and then it kind of put a stain in the idea of cameos and and a the idea of how we anticipate and overhype ourselves yeah and then also how a lot of the times that's not necessarily a good thing if there's all these cameos I could actually be a bad thing if there's all these cameos so it's at this weird crux this film when their major announcement was essentially a shit ton of cameos and then now the lead up to this is what are they going to do with what other cameos are going to be in this movie and how much crazier can it be and it's such a crossroads because this film has to do so much right it has to make up for the lack of impact that a lot of the recent movies have had it has to

somehow be some culmination of those and make those better in retrospect as well that's not That's main job, and that's part of the package. How are you going to tie this all up? You've got to introduce Dr. Doom and set him up. And then on top of that, too, you're going to have all these cameos in here that you gave away most of them. So you've got to have cameos that you didn't give away. And so how could you, it is, it is really hard to wrap my head around that this will be

100% like success. I'm excited, but it also does, it is the weird. just Marvel one in a while because it could be a total train wreck it's May second as of this airing it's May 1st as of this recording it is one year till this movie yeah what like how are they gonna uh what anytime we sorry anytime we mentioned some other characters I'm so sorry no no it's it's up it's like this this is one more person you're squeezing into that room and the door the walls are expanding and the door's about to break that's what I hear anytime we hear about one more person and like Pinewood's big

but is that big like my my concern is that it's kind of doing what multiverse of madness did but a year early like the movie doesn't have trailers yet because they're just starting to shoot it it's doing all the things that we just talked about them i'm but like with chairs yeah like we're getting all of the things that would be like oh pop moments but they need the brand to be revived they need the marketing to be so early that i don't know how the movie can live up to the hype of a year of knowing these roles so i i just and now they have to have the rules like there are because now you announce steps and now you have to make sure they're in here and i my biggest this is why i think you have to reboot after secret wars because it inevitably sequels get so big they can't go back to small and i think that are like what how do you top end game how do you top blank had you got to go back to the basics i think fast x part two should be a street racing film i think whatever comes after secret wars should be back to like contained individual superhero films uh i think the movie shouldn't all be shared universe i think there should be some solo stuff i think we should be able to like enjoy things yeah it's a lot So there's a couple of other ones that are rumored.

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I mean, we've met Wicke and his boyfriend, husband, depending on which level of continuity. So that would make some sense. He's in the comics as like an emperor of the universe that I could see Nova tying in. into if they wanted to do some somewhere else but yeah i don't know lady death coming back i hope so more aubri plaza is always a good thing i don't know if they would include a lady any of these disney plus characters i really feel like they're trying to keep it some of this separate half of the disney plus characters are thunderbolts though you're so right so i think they're trying to fix that yeah that's true i think they're trying to fix it they've got a weird relationship with their

own team because loki's going to be in here and it has to be the god of stories got to be if you want the scope to be that big yeah it have to be but then they didn't have owen wilson in deadpool so i don't know maybe they're saving mobius for maybe actually if i'm going to see any chair i want to see owen wilson's chair like i i want that they should just put the jet ski out there i'm funny with that all the chairs that it's just a jet ski but no name but everybody no we're all like it's happening i would love if the next round has little moments like the antman chair but it's like props like the jet ski that'd be gold how many how many people were announced for that movie can you look that up john the doomsday chairs the one movie we've been

talking about i think it's 27 but let me double check that how many name was used faster hacking enter 25 seconds 26 27 27 cast members damn 27 that's most castes okay how many cast members are there for Avengers Infinity War. That's a fun. Because Infinity War is the... Felt huge. The culmination of three faces. You know, like a couple of guardians

weren't so well served. Like, you know, like Drax is just there. I mean, but Drax, but even even something like that, Drax gets to have his iconic, invisible. Yeah. And then they could serve in Guardians 3. I think it worked.

I still say take ass and kick names. I got two pieces of information here for you. It's around. 76 characters in Avengers Infinity War. Okay. And IMDB misled me. Daniel Medina Ramos was towed in Deadpool and. Ah, okay.

Okay. So, but I, but not every one of them. 77 actually gives me some faith in Doomsday. That's a lot of names. But a lot of them were also just cameos in there or not really, like, Okoye's in there and Baku's in there, but they're barely in the movie. They get their beats, though. a moment or two.

But will we care? I mean, we'll want more than that for Ian McKellen. That's okay when they're already in their other movies. And we've just... Yeah, they're just running, just seen where O'Coye and Mbacru got to have a bunch of screen time, Black Panther. Right. And Winter Soldier was just in Captain America, Civil War.

So, yeah, they... But Xavier was just in Dr. Strange. And died again. It is different, right? Like, there's a... I am trying to find the... That it does give me a little bit of hope. It does.

Rousseau Brothers directed it, and obviously it's like there's going to be core main characters and the rest will have like a couple of minutes. I actually like this is the number thing is somehow the most hope I've had yet. It's a way to wrap. So knowing 77 helps me. Is that 77 main characters? No, it's probably like 30 main. But like 77 speaking roles is still, you know.

Yeah, well, you had the order. You had Thanos. That's not going to count the more. I was like Greg Liss 70. I'm going to go through this old gamut here. Are you guys enjoying this podcast of Greg reading the cast list of Adventures Infinity War? From memory. I'll do it, man.

I'll fucking go there. Jacob Battlon is in the bus. But that is, there's going to be some characters who are just on the bus. Just on the metaphorical bus. And their name was announced in a casting chair. And we're going to think for a year that maybe they're going to be more. Yeah, because we got a high test the possibility of what they could do with Cyclops. And they could give that moment.

They have to. It could give the action moment. There's no way they mess up Cyclops again. Not with Kevin Feigy loving the X-Men this much. I feel like the combination of Faggy and X-Men 97, finally making him Cyclops, they can, they, if they do that, there will be nerd riots. Yeah. Because they just fix Cyclops. Nerd ride.

Good guy. I know the guy. The, I guess they haven't really botched. What have they botched? What is something they've actually botched? Movie-wise? In terms of like a cameo. appearance or i think blackball coming back was i mean cool death though i like blackbolt more than

than i liked a lot of other ones i think black bolt worked the death yeah i mean i liked his death but he didn't get i mean all of the illuminati didn't really work for me no no no um cameo wise outside of the illuminati um they're pretty good about balancing mostly i think due to circumstances lizard was underutilized pretty hardcore i agree that yeah that wasn't a great usage of him that's fair And I think the same can be said for Sandman a little bit, too, because of that. Hmm. I don't even remember, like, a cool, like, lizard fight moment. At least Sandman.

He fought Andrew Garfield in the sky in, like, in like an aerial sequence. It looks just like the Todd McFarling comics, so I remember it. Okay. I don't really remember it too well, like, as a standout moment. Because, like, Sandman, they at least, because it's a crazy visual, you can, like, do a bunch of crazy visual shit. He struck the poses from the comics, so I remember it. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think overall, they do pretty good with cameos.

A Clea is a pretty rough one. Charlie Starring. Charlie Stheron is probably one of the worst for me because it's like what's happening. Yeah. Also, the stakes you just established are gone. In the next scene he's got his two eyes back. We should do an episode that goes through all the post credit scenes

that haven't amounted to anything yet. Harry Styles. That's the one that hurts me. Roy Kent. Yeah. Yeah. That little time frame was rough for set up scenes. And all of them got to show up. They weren't on chairs.

Yeah, exactly. That's my point. Like, they're tasked with something major here. They got to wrap up a lot And then also set up some shit too And that's why I assume X-Men are going to be not announced before I think Comic-Con Every year I'm like maybe this is the X-Men year

I think they'll wait until next year's D-23 Or next year's Comic-Con On the lead up to Secret Or is not on the lean-up to Doomsday I think there will be X-Men in these But I don't think they'll start the movie stuff publicly Well These rumors to conclude it Do you think any of them

Which ones do you flat out think are not true? I think the Silak one is the least likely without Olivia Munn because I think that they're smart enough to go like, what? I think, what was the last one? Lady death? I think that's likely. Okay. She was super well regarded and there's going to be a lot of death.

Okay. So I feel like there's a place for her. I collect your soul. I think there's a place for her. Also, you know, she had like, you know, mystical vibes that I think they're going to lean into with doom. That they'll need those kind of characters. That is fair. So I think she's more likely.

I'd say as a betting man, I'd put death over Silock or, I think Evans and Downey are the most likely to be multiple characters because it's going to be like, oh, exciting. And then Lady Death, most exciting cameos. Scarlet Witch. Scarlet Witch, I feel like it's just true. Yeah, so pretty much we believe them all except Cylock. Yeah. Also, it's just funny that Chris Claremont's like, I read it. Like, I just love that he's out here just talking at a con.

Yeah, I know. Not worried at all about his future. But this was, this to me is a different conversation than like the pre-vis leaks because it's a conversation about a nerd being excited about this nerd stuff. And he doesn't have any more necessary. It's not a leak. He's fucking just saying it at a goddamn panel. Yeah. And we don't know if it's any more true than like me saying it.

Yeah. Like or, or, you know, whoever. So, like, Claremont is obviously a legend of comic books, but I don't know if he's working on these movies. So to me, it's still objectively and fun to theorize. But whereas, like, the pre-vis leaks I avoided because I was like, well, that's maybe possible. Like, that seems like, that's actually like a thing they used to make the movie. Sure, sure. Well, which came are you guys most excited for?

How are we feeling about Doom's Day? One year. One year. Don't worry, Coy, we're going to be so positive. Once it's been, it's been like 10 years. It's about time Disney Paces. I think I've been, you know, waiting. I got a bunch, I put up my Thunderbolt's review and I got a lot of like, oh, he's always a

Marvel Shill. And I was like, there's been enough things lately that I haven't loved also. You've called me a D.C. Australia in the last video. And so where are my double checks? Also, is there a bidding more I can start? I would love some Disney money. I hear they pay Jeremy Renner great money. Specifically, Jerry Renner.

Did you hear about that? No. Oh, he was talking about, this is a real new story. Oh, is it about his memoir? Because I love his memoir tour. It's about how Disney doesn't value him enough and they were going to pay him less money. for doing a movie or I'm very curious

for a hot guy season two oh so he's not doing it oh it's literally the top top story here oh bring me the story don't worry koi got you uh he was offered

uh for season two but he thought it was an insult he had to defend himself he didn't ask for any more money they basically offered him half of his season one salary and he made it funny he said uh i'm like i'm sorry

why did you think i'm only half the jeremy because I got ran over and then the crowd laughed wherever he was with variety one-on-one with a crowd I don't know what happened here so Jeremy renner is uh he's not he's not here for halkeye season two because why would he why would he be if for half the month that's crazy you can't offer that's that's insulting like why why even attempted I get that the first show didn't do as well if they might have hoped that doesn't mean you take it out in the act like you don't go like all right didn't work out here's at least match the yeah yeah you match because it's not like this was his first shot in the

he's been hookah he's one of the original he was in thor one around a while like he was he was mr franchise for a while where it was like we need a new guy jeremy renner like that's that's not a guy you just yeah that's crazy yeah that's pretty nuts kind of kind of wild um it's also so beloved right now because everybody's like you're alive yeah there's such a moment for him to come. It would feel impactful for him to come back because we're like so appreciative he is breathing. Him getting run over has done wonders. Great PR tractors. Oh my God. Forget for all past behaviors. And his app. It's crazy. And his music app is long forgotten. I forgot. I honestly did not know that. He had a, he had an album content. He had a whole app. There was a Jeremy

renter app. You can probably find pieces up on the internet. It was a fascinating bit of like country kind of music disappeared. I get mixed signals on what that guy's like in real life. I heard like a lot of terrible stories about him and I'm like there's still you know with the possibility that maybe he was just an asshole that day and then there's some personal life things that are just coming back to my brain right now about his past that was illegal battles and shit I totally forgot about he's had a journey he's got some shit in his past I remember that was my favorite two Jeremy renter news articles not the stuff that may or mean I don't know about the dudes personally my favorite too like how is this a human being living in the regular world was a tornado hit Modesto, California. And they just were randomly interviewing people that lived there. And like Jeremy Renner comes out of his house in a bathrobe in this giant bowler hat. And he's like, man, it's crazy.

It's my window. I was like, you guys, that's Jeremy Renner. And then the other one was, he got arrested in a Thailand bar fight. And someone was wielding an axe. And I was like, what? So those are my two favorite. I don't know if he's cool, but those are cool moments. Well, there you have it, guys.

Jeremy Renner. Do you wish Hawkeye Season 2 was happening? I love that comic that. Dude, the David AHA art, Matt Fraction. That was a great comic. Yeah, read the comic because it's, it's so cinematic. Like, it's such a fun read. And way, that is the definition of turning a comic into a Disney version of the comic.

It really, especially Kingpin. That, that comic is, there's like a sadness and a grit to it, you know. It's way more like a Shane Black story. Oh, yeah, great call. And then they tried to make a Shane Black Disney thing and they're like, you picked the wrong Shane Black thing. Just Christmas isn't enough. It gave us Haley Steinfeld. It gave Bishop, and she is phenomenal.

How crazy is it that IMAX is battling between two Haley-Steinfeld properties right now? What are you talking about? Like, she's basically in the MCU, and then she's in sinners. So they're alternating between, like, these two entities. I like how you lump that into Haley Steinfeld. Oh, I just picture her as MCU. Oh, really? That's not as spoilt.

I know, I know. But, like, yeah, I just think of it as like, oh, we're going to go from. like haley steinfeld and sitters into like emce you and then back to sinners the haley styeville man ryan cooler must be so stoked first dollar gross like getting money up front i hope he does something that gets him in public trouble i would love for the downfall amount of half i do not i want rindcule to be happy it's deserved some terrible thing to come out about him i want ryan coogler to get the no one treatment and to be handed a blank check to go make his odyssey that's we got different We can't talk about that.

And we won't get... We will not get clicks. What clicks do we get talking about how successful sinners is doing? Ryan Coogler makes the Iliad. No, man. We need Ryan Coogler to get arrested at the bank again, this time for doing something bad. Not wait for something to happen. Just make up the room of your soul.

Shit, what am I doing? We got a platform. Double Jeopardy. He was seen robbing a bank and got away with it because they were like, oh, Mr. Coogler, we can't... Yeah. And he directed that security camera footage. That was clearly him going like, I'm... That's why the assail.

That's why the assail. aspect ratio changed. I'm a method director. I forgot about that. The regular like bank thing is nuts. He handled that like a total boss. Oh my God. Like what a professional thing. I don't remember exactly what he said, but it was the attitude of you don't want to be doing this right now. I remember seeing what I'm like, no, you really don't like you're going to want to look on my name before you proceed. I was like the conversation like yeah, it's just so calm and confident like I'm the movie star of the moment. Yeah, you have no idea what you're doing, man. It felt like inside man, but it was just Ryan Coogler as

Clive Barclive Owen. I love the conversation of us talking about that and the life it's taken on on the internet of like our clip from sinners and like reading the comments is exactly the micro to the macro of the conversation around that film. You can see everyone's differing opinion of what it is

but at the end of the day it drops 6% since we made that video. Beautiful. That's incredible because of Koi's powerful statements. That's I kept it up. Not Ryan Coogler, one of the best directors alive. No, sir. No, no, he's a bank robber. Yeah. Everyone knows new narrative. Anyway, thank you guys for being here.

We're here every Friday with this exact tone every time. Slap happy, confused the tone every time. And, hey, we answered some questions from patrons to warm up. Here, enjoy. Gabriel, one of our patrons, thank you. Thank you, super sexy rejects for keeping us afloat during weird monetization troubles. and some brand deal with trouble, I'll tell you that, man. Some crazy shit went down there.

He's having, I like this question. I'm curious to hear your answer here, Coy. What franchise IP do you think currently has the most healthy fan base? Oh, I like the optimism there. Because we talk about the other a lot. The most healthy fan base in current fandom. Okay. This is a crate, like, this feels insane, but I can't think of another one.

My first instinct rolling through them all, I think Fasten the Furies. You think so? When's the last time someone got Vitrolik about a high or low in that franchise? They have been varying degrees of quality, but when one isn't great, no one's like, oh, what if they, they, you know, blah, blah, but no one gets mad personally. It's about family. The movies make money. It shouldn't have cost, the last one shouldn't have cost what it did. But when people show up, it's about community, it's about family.

It's about sharing the joy of a franchise. And I've never seen anyone be like, screw you other car franchise. Like, no one pits it against other things. Now, granted, there are less car franchise-based movies. But when you think about fandoms, usually there's like an animosity towards, it was so much better when Blank doesn't have it. There's no competitive screw you to another thing. And it's not something that people really like rage against the machine about it.

Is it maybe Fastly Furious? It was one of those things when you said it. It was so good. that i was half listening and half thinking there's one that it could possibly even be a second runner up to that crazy when that was the the thing that popped in my mind at all because people don't think of that as a fan but there's 10 of them plus a hobbs and shaw there's a car there's a series there's a Netflix show yeah i don't know if it's connected i don't know if it's canon but the fact that there's that great now i'm going to go down the damn grab at home fast

and furious netflix show the extended universe of fast but like star trek is is uh better than i would say Star Wars, and there's a lot of Star Trek, but I'm not in it enough to know if it's angry. I do know there are people that are like, went woke, and I'm like, have you seen the first, second, third, fourth, fifth Star Trek? But I, I definitely wouldn't say any of the comic book fandoms anymore. I, there was a time where I would have said scream, but then something happened and things kind of inflated on it. Third thing sort of like crumbled from within after. Five nights at Freddy, no, a lot of those people get pretty angry. Uh, final destination coming back is seems like a hyper-positive group.

Yeah, I mean, we could isolate them. But if we're talking about the massive ones, like when you're thinking about the massive mass, I mean, I don't really consider they're, like, I don't call it a Fast and Furious fandom. I don't use that word, but it technically would be, right? And there is lore and it hits all the boxes.

And that's why I'm like, franchise, it does. Yeah. And it evolves and everything. Because, yeah, I think Fandima, you know, beyond Marvel, Star Wars, and D.C., I would think, like, Doctor Who? Lord of the Rings.

Lord of the Rings. Star Trek. Yeah, but I guess among the ones that, like, first come to mind? I can't even say Lord of the Rings now, can I? No, not after Amazon. And I'd go to FastCon at a second. I mean, if Twitter didn't exist,

I might have opted for Harry Potter. I don't know, actually. I think of JK Rowlington. Then Harry Potter than the leader of Harry Potter. Potter has created its own little problems. And now this new one that's coming out, like people are so mad about casting. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was saying. Yeah, the Twitter of it all.

But the show's not even out yet. So I feel like that's only going to get worse when it's airing. Oh, yeah. You know, those, those channels out there. The other. The other the money they're going to make it. Ready for it. They're like, I already got my thumbnails ready, baby. Yellow or red background, teardrop, big eyes. Let's go.

I spent $1,700 bucks and new teardrops. I got my graphic card upgraded. Oh, baby. Plug this in a chat, GBT. What angry fonts do I have? People's rage and put it into a script that equals eight minutes and one second. All house slithering, a lot of us. But I think that's a curious.

I cannot. The only thing I have to say is the horror community as a whole. That's the only thing I have. But in terms of a specific franchise, I am having the hardest. I'm sure some, I'm sure people are- I want to read these comments because I'm curious because it left. There's a bunch that people are typing right now. going oh yeah of course that one i guess the Jurassic park franchise is pretty awesome pretty

positive like the way how it we always show up put a billion dollars into something and we leave like well it could have been better even if it's crap we want to see the next one as long as the trailers look somewhat exciting yeah big dinosaurs people show up there's there is extended canon no one was pissed off about the changes from the book sure some people were but most we seem to bring most people haven't even read the book they've watched the movies you How to Train Your Dragon? Yeah, that's pretty positive. Shows, the trilogy, a live action coming out.

It's been pretty positive. I think when we think you franchise, we need something that's been around for, like, ever, it has been going on and trying to expanding out and some. Oh, how to train your dragon has the shows and stuff. The shows, the books, the movies. I don't know if this counts, but what about Pokemon? That's pretty positive. It's a pretty positive fandom. I mean, Pokemon Go was, like, the only time I've seen community gather, like, in a beautiful environmental outdoor way.

I don't know, I just haven't been in touch with the Pokemon community in so long. We were Pokemon fanatics. I said John and I bonded. He had a crush on Misty. I mean, I respect that. True facts. I get it. I get it.

Of a real reason. Anyway, thanks for the question, Gabriel. That's a great one. Flavdoran, seeing how the multiverse saga was kind of a mess, and obviously, it's not done yet. But if you were to be given Feige's role, what films would you want to produce for the next rumor mutant saga that would probably be built into the next Avengers film? So I guess he's saying Wait which ones would you want to Oh one that are already like rumored or announced to be coming

The movies that are already announced Yeah I would do the blade movie Because be the savior of blade I would love to be the savior of blade I don't know why it's so hard to do a blade movie It's kind of hard Sinners did great

I know and sinners is way more complicated Yeah Anything a Blade movie can do Outside of having to worry about a couple of lines that connect to the bigger part of the MCU. One scene someone else can help you write and put into your movie. But Sinners is a massive undertaking with a lot of complexity and historically rich as well. And look at how much it's been received.

Like it's been like, do you see that 6% drop? It's the lowest drop in the history of us, like looking at drops. They're releasing in IMAX already. On the 15th, I think. Yeah. So two weeks for Thunderbolt and back to Sinners. That's awesome. And yeah.

So to me, I think the Blade movie. I would just be the producer on set being like, do it oneer and make it R-rated. You know, the Gareth Evans experience we had with Havoc, maybe you really want him to do Blade. I think you'd do a dope-ass Blade director. Like the way his hand-to-hand and his Gunfoo is, I would love both of those things in like a Blade movie.

Now, we are not exactly the people qualified to talk about it. But after watching, did you see the latest episode of the studio? Oh, my God. So after watching the latest episode of the studio, I'm going to ask you this question. Oh, great. And we are not the people qualify to answer it for obvious reasons once it comes out of my mouth. Do you think Blade needs to have a black director for its first film?

I think. What's your point of view? My point of view is it needs to have a black writer. And I think the director needs to be both dramatically and action-oriented. And that, to me, as a Whiteman, is going to be, I think it's more about the visual aesthetic and the energy whereas the heart and the soul and the feeling comes from the writing and the like the accuracy to tone. So I think if you've got the writer that's going to get the black experience correct and then you've got a director that's going to get the visual and heart and emotion, that's important to me. But I'm sure this is short-sighted and someone's going to say the directing is what brings that.

So in my experience, working on sets as an actor and being someone that's watched sets as a host, I see a lot of heart coming from what's on the page that then the director adapts. And I think that'd be easier for a person, you know, to make sure that the, the heart on the page is there. Yeah. Personally. It's a scary question, studio, episode six. I mean, you're just sharing your opinion. On the internet? But I do think, uh, I do think that the blade situation has been overcomplicated with time.

I think it's been six years since the moment. At this point, I'm like, get anyone. Yeah, just make it. I want to see it. Get someone out of C-Sun right now. Just have them do with someone with a lot of ambition who made a good YouTube video six years ago. And there's so many people want it. Like, it's right there.

So X-Men was, there's nothing been announced yet. I think we're about to get a lot. Obviously, we saw stuff in Doomsday. I would want to start with, I think it'd be really cool to get a Kitty Pride movie. I've wanted a storm movie from the beginning, but I feel like that's inevitable. I feel like people aren't talking about like other options. And I don't, there was a rumor for a while that the X-Men was going to be like an all-female team. And that's not what I'm saying.

But I'm saying that the leaders of X-Men are usually like one male and one, female and I feel like the males are going to happen like we're going to get cyclops we're going to and i think storm deservedly but i feel like kitty pride is one of those characters that would be really cool to see uh long form why because she's like a leader she goes through the whole journey of being like an innocent outside of the x-men brought like there's an iconic cover that's like welcome to the x-men kitty pride hope you survive the experience that's since been replicated like every time there's a major new team member so she kind of represents the gateway between being an outside of the mutants and being welcomed into the family and then becoming a leader she's

kind of the whole transition from a world that hates and fears them into leader and she also gets like really messed up by different moments like her training with wolverine at one point the colossus stuff goes awry and she's actually like trapped out in space and she eventually like takes on a leadership role really reluctantly because of what she survived and i feel like we need an eye line that is someone that's already training with xavier but also someone that's like second wave that we could so i see her as like a second wave importance you think other x-man characters should be in her movie because you're naming off interesting moments in her journey

yeah yeah I don't think a solo by like herself I think like a kitty pride centric X-Men team or like that's what you're journey okay because yeah I was like do I really want to watch a kiddie no kiddie pride movie kitty pride X-Men like like if there's a team like right now she's leading a team called the exceptional X-Men and like that as a movie so it's not like kitty pride

walk into the park I mean just make her the lead yeah that's what I mean I think if I was going to do something like because I think that's an interesting character that doesn't, I don't think we've seen her done well. Everyone knows if you watch this show, I want a storm movie more than any other X-Men movie. But I think Kitty Pride is someone that people wouldn't have thought of. That's a good answer, man. Good answers. Good answers all around.