The Reel Rejects - Avengers: Secret Wars DELAYED!! Digger Box Office FLOP! WB & PARAMOUNT ARE NOW SKYDANCE?!

Episode Date: October 4, 2026

DIGGER Review, AVENGERS: SECRET WARS production delays, a new SPIDER-MAN Clone Saga TV series, David Fincher leaving Netflix, GODZILLA MINUS ZERO first reactions & RAY GUNN trailer talk! We kick things off with our Digger review and a bigger conversation about the state of the movie star — as Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt face recent box office disappointments while Robert Pattinson continues to thrive. Do traditional movie stars still sell tickets, or has Hollywood fundamentally changed? Then we'll dive into the latest Avengers: Secret Wars production reports and what a potential delay could mean for the highly anticipated Marvel Studios event film, Amazon's plans for a new Spider-Man TV series based on the infamous Clone Saga, and David Fincher leaving Netflix after his long-running relationship with the streamer — and why that could be a much bigger deal than it initially sounds. PLUS, Godzilla Minus Zero is already screening early as the first reactions begin to surface, and we'll get into the new Ray Gunn trailer and our thoughts on the upcoming animated sci-fi movie! Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Wow. Guys. Guys. I got to do wait. Hold on. I got to do the cavil. Oh, he's cocking his arms. Shake the dust off.

Yeah. It's been a minute. I don't know if I sat there in a while. I don't know if I remember I do this, Coy. It's talking. We don't have headphones this time? No, we're going to because that way we are engaged. We are connected.

That is not. nice to talk to you. It is. This is like my birthday, but without, but with cameras without drinks. Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't have your updated record yet. I've been trying to get to the record store all week. I extra appreciate the mission.

For the record, John got me an incredible album for my birthday, which is very kind. But I had the album. So now John is getting the peak of the replacement, which is the same artist, but with Frankie Pulitzer, and I'm very excited. It's in the lobby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a vinyl copy.

of Zarface versus Ghostface in the lobby. If anybody wants to buy it off me, so that I can then use it to exchange for Coiz's Zarface meets Frankie Pulitzer. You can swap that out. Yeah, I know. I just, I just am like, I know that that's the kind of thing I will forget to do because other shit is in the way.

Got to. Gotta go. Got to. Yeah. Especially if it was like a mebo or that place you go to that I've been to yet. Runout Groove. Shouts out to the Runout groove. They're a great little joint, Sunstar Records as well.

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about a few things today So obey The algorithm And hit the like button This is me hosting Am I doing okay I'm doing great

I'm doing housekeeping now. We're going to talk about the new merger because it's got a new name. We're not doing Paramount. We're not doing WB. We're doing something totally different. I'm very curious about that. I think it'll be multiple slides. Just call it Max.

Max. That'll be it. Get rid of the law. It's cleaner. Yeah. I freshly understand that reference. Yeah. It's a hot old take.

It is a hot old take. But a good one. And also, you know, it's a hot old take is, is worried about that. Secret Wars, they just got pushed back again. Stay worried. And another hot old take. We're going to talk about Digger. Yep, a brand new hot old take.

And there might be a clone saga cooking. We could be having a clone saga. But the thing you really want to hear about is Bradley Cooper cast as Duke in G.I. Joe. I know you guys have all been. We need more Joe. Hey, they promised it to it. They teased us with a crossover. No spoilers if you haven't seen that.

What? Oh, that's dead. Guys, Paramount and Warner Brothers are now Skydance. That's right. That bumper that you've seen sometimes before some of the movies. I'm going to look up the Sky Dance film. Let's do that among other things. You know more Skydance than you realize.

The Sky Offt dances. Yeah. And they don't even have, I'm going to just blindly state, they probably don't have that bad of a track record even. They made Fly Boys. That's right. And Ghosts Protocol. There you go.

And the guilt trip. and Jack Reacher with Tom Cruise. Recently the Reacher. Which is now... Not the recentist. I keep see... Every five years, someone starts posting, like, you know what? Tom George, Jack Reacher.

And now him and Ellen Richardson, but people just love him both. I want that shared universe crossover. Fork Secret Wars. Tom Cruise and Alan Richardson, reach off. All right, all right. Later in the show also... But it's just a little guy and a big guy. We need more...

Over the top needs to become its own genre. The Way Ground Hug Day now is, like, if we just had a bunch of... arm wrestling like bar fight movie. Ray. Have you ever seen Over the top? No.

I didn't think so. Ray. It's going to change your life. We're all going to watch over the top. Do you know we're going to project it. Now you do.

Sylvester Stallone. There it is. Yeah. Stallone in an arm wrestling movie. It's the longest I've talked about over the top since the 80s. I was one and a half in years. Well done.

Yeah. You came out talking. You came out. You were born with a copy, a silver copy of over the top and you're born with a laser disc of it. clutched in your little mitts. Yeah.

A sweet, sweet woman and I feel for her mightily. Yeah, quite. So, yeah, they've merged. If you didn't hear this, this is a slightly older piece of this news, but they did the 12 attorneys general, the 12 angry men of the Paramount Skydance merger

finally hashed their shit out. And they laid down a big old set of agreements, which we can rattle off as quickly as is permissible by YouTube standards. I don't know. I'll do my best here. But yeah, Skydance. This is a rebrand. How are we feeling about this before we go into the deeds?

Yeah, let's start with the literal opening credits. Good old David Ellison. I personally think that they should, and I do not have any, I'm not a sky dance employee, but this is what I would do. I think they should keep Paramount and Warren Brothers as bumpers leading up to a sky dance bumper. It's never fun. Like indie films often have to have like 12 bumpers, like movies that you and I enjoy at our vistas and our arrows. Those are like, okay, we threw in like $5.

We threw in $5. We want to bump. Like that's a lot of stacks. But if you've got something as big as this giant studio, you're probably only working with like a distributor maybe and like one other team. You could have three bumpers. So since there aren't going to be as many cooks in the kitchen, I do think they should keep the Warner Brothers and Paramount designations because it's 100 years of brand awareness. And I think personally, this is a this is a, a, a, a, a, a, a. controversial take by the nature of its conversation, but I think that it's going to need to be different

flavors of film. And I do think Warner Brothers is a little bit more liberally minded and artistic, whereas Paramount is a bit more of like Dadcore Western Saturday TNT. Jack Reacher. Jack Ryan Shadow recruit. Mission Impossible. Both have markets. Terminator Dark Fate. These are like Dad Corp. Jamini Man. This year they've got the movie. Gio. Storm Coy. I mean, that's the dad Corrus. I'm like,

listen to this list. So my thought is I was at CinemaCon and I was in the Paramount panel and I got a lot out of the Paramount panel. I really enjoyed the fact that it felt like these were a lot. And this is a compliment a lot of Saturday T&T at 2 o'clock movies. I love a nice fucking kickback, lazy boy feed up dad movie. Paramount makes those really well. Their Slate had like jackass on it.

That's not going to probably get made by Warner Bros. Their slate head, Mr. Irrelevant. That's a very dad movie. Their slate is that flavor. I think that Warner Brothers is going to be generally big IP and then the things that you make when you own big IP that are bigger swings. Sinners, one battle after another. Like their last year's slate is one of the greatest of all time.

I think it'd be smart. And I think a lot of people are worried about losing the 2025 Warner Brothers slate. I think if you want to make billions of dollars, you make money from people that think both ways. Like, if you're going to be a giant company like that, I think one of the things Disney did wrong is they're only appealing to a very certain demographic. And I think that might be what's stalled Blade so long. And I think that might be certain elements of their struggle to keep Disney plus going to the point that they're fucking licensing to Netflix as of this morning.

I think. Disney Daily Wire merger. That's the move. But I do think Skydance could benefit from appealing to people of both ilks and then profiting twice. Because if you're making Dadcore and you're making aggressively, fighty liberal film, I think you benefit twice. I'm hoping we don't lose one to the other. And instead, people want to make money. That is the very fascinating thing.

And I guess there is the fortunate fact that we have, you know, Tom Cruise as an intermeas. intermediary between these two companies because Warner Brothers is about to be sunk by Digger, which, you know, Pam Abdi and Mike DeLuca, I believe, had a hand in green lighting. And now, you know, I mean, Paramount or Skydance was involved with Maverick and some of the mission possibles. Like, yeah. Like the Paramount guy just made a Warner Brothers, the last Warner Brothers movie. Yeah. And I'm very curious because that's right, Digger is their last like official WB release. And one of the stipulations in the merger, you know, details that the settlement is that Paramount and Warner Brothers each have to release a certain amount of these movies under their own banners

to allow this all to go through. So is this going to be like a meta situation where it's just like, well, the company's called Skydance. But like we still are like what I don't want to happen. What makes me sad? It's like, you know, I don't, I'm not like married to businesses, but like seeing the 20th century logo without William Fox's name on it. And granted, most people don't know this. Most people probably think they just chose an animal. But like William Fox is like a big part of Hollywood history and innovation throughout filmmaking, business and, you know, craft.

And so like to see the name removed, kind of makes me sad for Hollywood history. Yeah. And so like Paramount, granted, is not someone's name. The Warner Brothers are people. But I mean, both Paramount and Warner Brothers are the oldest. Like to me, yeah. Yeah. Like so it's, it is.

They're pillars of, you know, this whole, you know, citadel of cinema. Yeah. And to see them merge and then lose identity or homogenize identity would be kind of a bummer. Yeah. If they can find some way to keep, let me see. I wrote it down here, but now I have too many notes. Oh no. We've led John a strike.

Yeah, 50% of the output, which I can further break down what that output is. But 50% of the output is supposed to be produced by Warner's and Paramount specifically so they can't just, you know, buy up a bunch of subsidiaries that already have movies and stuff. And then that's why I hope for like people keep. keeping their jobs at both companies. I know there's going to be, you know, conversations of, of, what do they call it? Redundancies. Yeah.

But I really hope we don't lose half the town by putting the two biggest studios left together because this does make it, you know, Universal Disney and Skydance as far as like what the major studios are. Like Universal Disney's coming. Dude, they tried. It could still. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it is a very daunting, huge.

Like, I don't know. like the more the less the less of these there become the further we get to like so when when are the the whole laws the things we set in place to make it so that there I just want one mono movie a year from the

one mono studio and that's what I will accept and I will eat it and say thank you sir may I have another I would like the content please we just call it the content you know and the inspiring thing I guess is that you may see some kind of more independent push and revel I mean you

know, ketchup, thankfully, is doing well off of the whole Coyote Broussacme thing. And you have companies like Neon doing well, A24, you know, seems to be growing to a point where business is more of a concern. But still, like, they're still throwing down hits and things here and there. I'm curious to know what this massively kind of daunting mega corporate development will, how that will affect the art percolating underneath because, you know. I hope they do keep the designations and do keep the, what those companies feel like they make similar.

Like, I don't think everything should feel like a Paramount movie. I don't think everything should feel like a Warner Brothers movie under this company. So I hope that we, because that's why movies are special is like you want different art to feel like it's got a flavor, but also that it suits each audience. And I personally don't think a studio would want to cut off half its audience. So therefore, I think by nature, you need them to be different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you need them to be kind of almost independent entities under one umbrella. Yeah, exactly. That's what I hope this is.

Yeah, so the basic terms. I'm going to blow through this as fast as possible. If you want a good breakdown, go hit up Dan Merle's video from last week. But this is a five-year commitment that they're under right now from this December until the 31st of December, 2013. They got to release 30 films a year minimum for the next two years, 27 and 28, and then 32 theatrical releases from 29 to 31. They're going to get fined $30 million for each film below that threshold that they fail to release. It's not a lot of money. Not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things.

That's not for me. You can make an independent movie. An old school adult independent, not adults, not a corn movie kids, but, you know, a movie for a movie for mature people for $30 million. But here's a fun bit. the fine, 50% of that fine goes toward the Hollywood Health and Retirement Funds for the unions and such. That's cool. 40% goes to the motion picture TV

and motion picture and TV fund and then 10% goes to the National Association of Attorney General's Fund. So I mean, there's some charitable... That's cool. I like that. You know, you put to that money it's been a long week, guys.

Anyway, they have six months if they failed to release the requisite amount of videos they have six months to make that up or they got to sell Miramax they got to find someone to buy it within a year if they fail to hit their quote out totally which is very fun

they got to do four indies at least a year I think that figures right because yeah that would make sense four indies a year 50% of their output must be produced by WB or Paramount they have a guaranteed 45 day theatrical window they cannot advertise a streaming release for 30 days

and there's no SVOD or anything like that until 90 days after theatrical. 20% of whatever output they have must be budgeted at $50 million and more released on 3,000 screens. Oh, so it's a full wide release and a full scale thing. That's great. Yeah, and then they have to honor whatever their existing

theaters like deals with the theaters are for cuts and splits and all that stuff. Whatever those are, they're in place for the next three years still. Limited release films don't count. Okay. Because no one cares. Well, because like they're going to, they could say, like,

We're doing them. I like these stipulations because they saw all the loopholes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is good. This is this is reassurance. So limited release 600 screens is, uh, doesn't count unless they expand whatever that limited release picture or pictures are to, uh, I'm trying to speak eloquently because you're in the room.

No, I'm just going to try and vibe out. Don't do it. Basically they have 30 days to expand to a thousand screens and then we can talk about this. So that's fair. That's like a New York and L.A. release kind of thing where it's like the Oscar films. What they're, what they're clearly. fighting is the, you know, Oscar theatrical release and it's in like seven theaters that no one can find. Yeah.

You own Netflix. Exactly. They were very smart to be like, actually, we saw you and what you've been doing. Thanks for keeping the Egyptian alive, but also. At what cost? Yeah. And re-releases don't count. So great.

Good for them. Also, the company must spend $300 million or more annually in the United States. I love that. Producing films. They got to spend 300 million more. than they did in 2025 in the United States producing. Which was a decent amount of money. Yeah.

So I like all those stipulations. I also think it's, you know, this is a scary thing just to live through. Fox and Disney, that was a whole thing. And I don't feel like, and I was not nearly as plugged in. Like I've been in this industry through Fox and Disney, but I wasn't reading the lawyer stipulations because, you know, I was a younger man and it didn't seem like all of this was becoming one thing. You weren't an affidavit guy? I wasn't, you know, I wasn't reading

clauses. You weren't closing an issue of midnight suns and then going over to like, let me read some Legalee. But now, also we forgot about Sony earlier. Fla dear. It's universal Sony. Oh, Sony does exist. Yeah, Sony does exist.

But still, that's not a lot of studios. And they are also like a tech giant. Yeah. They're in their own special category. They kind of have that Apple thing going where it's like, I'm not worried about them because they've got that PlayStation money. Remember when every movie had a Vio for a while? It made me want a Vio for a man.

It did. It was a very effective. We're very prone to subconscious. That's cool. Sony Erickson's. I wanted a Sony Erickson in the early phone days. Oh yeah. But yeah, I think this is a, these are great stipulations. I don't know if any of these or this many of these were around for the Fox Disney thing.

They probably took some notes on that too. Yeah, that's something like. This feels like they learned from Netflix. It feels like they learned from the Fox Disney. It feels like they're like, well, we've seen things not work out. Yeah. I'm going to stay, you know, it's just this year. And I'm excited to talk about Digger.

This year has been. I am too. I'm really excited. When I saw that you and I were going to be talking about it, I was excited because I feel like Greg is going to think very differently of it than I think you think of it. And then I'm going to think differently of it. But I think your and my Venn diagram is going to share a lot of interestingly niche things. It's going to be very specific. So I'm excited.

That's why we're not talking about that up front. Because that's going to be the thing we're going to have to keep on the rails. But I'm so excited. But that movie reminded me of like, this year's been heavy and the world is heavy. And I do feel like this could be something that I just go like corporations. But instead, I'm trying to think of all these stipulations and the fact that you don't want to cut off half your revenue. If you're a business. So I'm going to stay optimistic and going to stay hopeful because I've tried the cynical thing.

It didn't work for me. Yeah. Hey, man. We're going to see. It's a cycle. You come back. You'll be pessimistic again before you know it. Don't you worry.

Don't you worry, internet. You'll get me raging against the machine. Oh, that's a band. We haven't talked about. You strike bands like a big Tom or L, Zach Della Rocha guy. You know, I've heard more audio slave than I have rage, and that is a musical sin on my part.

Wow. I've heard, not that I haven't heard any right, not that I'm not familiar. I know their wide swath of notable radio hits and stuff, but I got it at some point. It's on my list of like, I got a deep dive 20 bands ever. Rage is like high up for me.

And I mean, Zach's stuff with Run the Jules is always like high key top. I think he showed up when I saw them. Yeah. You've seen Zach Della Rocha? Yeah. Oroka? I don't know.

I'm sorry, Zach. Comment. He's in the chat. Yeah, yeah. Let us know how to say your name. Is it K or Chil. Speaking of worries, though, I'm not worried about Avengers' Secret Wars.

You're not. No, because I think they need to give the crew time to really, rest and build up their inspiration. I am like a neurodivergent, you know, kind of zigzag right to the very end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I see the

brilliance here. If you don't know, Avengers Secret Wars, the production was scheduled to start when, Coy? Originally rumored for late September, early October. And now when is it, Coy? January.

According to rumors, we don't have the production, but they're not filming right now, and it's October as fuck. And how many other times did it change between those two points? Well, you see, the thing about movies is you got to film them, you got to edit them, you got to visual effect them. Of course.

You got to go through some revisions. We got some additional photography. You got to juz it up a little. This is all going to happen in less than 11 months, which you know, is enough time

to make a five to $10 million indie, and I'm sure this is gonna feel like the invite honestly that would be the craziest flex if they did a fucking time they did some kind of bottle movie dude if secret wars is just well then dude can you imagine it's just

it's just a 11 d12 angry men it's just a bunch a bunch just downy as doom talking to read Richards yeah they just have a conversation yeah about these that's why the wars are secret and that we don't see them cost of yeah

their secret the secret the secret war just took place in a And they argued it out and maybe a couple of fisticuffs, you know, were coming to. They discussed the secret wars. Maybe a Donnie got brooked. But they, yeah, and then they described the incursions. Then they settled the secret and in conversation. In fact, the whole movie is just one static shot of a wall. And you just hear the dialogue, Christopher Nolan style from the other side of the wall.

Shooting it in January. You get all the sound design done by February. They're early. Yeah. They're ahead of schedule. 100%. I'm not even worried about it. You just release it on.

audible 30 days after theatrical and there you go. You can double your profits. Double your profits, man. Two platforms. Boom. And hey, just like the stage readings of this. Just like the chairs. We'll talk about it.

You could put different actors in. Make it like guerrillas where it's like you know some of the main band's always going to be there. But then who knows. But who knows who shows up? Maybe Hawkeye'll be a recording me this time. Maybe, you know, Dell the funky Homo sapien will jump in or someone else unexpected.

That's the most expected pull in the lore of that. The guerrillas reference. You can tell how I'm doing with how good my random access pulls are. This is when you got the laptop out and your RAM is dwindling. Yeah. I think. Okay. So push a T.

He just showed up and did some stuff with them. Frankie Pulitzer shows up. Dude, if Frankie Pulitzer is on a guerrillas track. Hey, Little Sims. Yeah. Who I discovered through gorillas, who's opening for them on this leg of the torts. Dell is the first set, Little Sims, then Gorillas. Little Sims did a killer track with them.

Her shit is fucking amazing. She is in Venom 2, performing her song, Venom, in the club scene where Venom wears all the glow sticks. Little Sims, listen to the music. Shared universe. Little Sims is amazing. Did we segue out of Paramount? Well, was that okay, Coy? Yeah, we grade me.

We covered it, and we gave it a chapter moment for the YouTube. Good. It also feels complete. Because I want the Avengers Secret War Gang to have some more time to rest. Okay. I want them to chill. Yeah, we got to give them more time. And I assume.

that with all these movements and delays and things, they have also adjusted when they're releasing the movie, correct? Coy, that's what they did, right? Movies throughout to compensate for them. No, no, no, December. So if you start filming in January, release it in December. Fine. This is how I would do it, Coy.

Fine. I wouldn't have the script until we're done shooting, frankly. I would probably just, yeah, like, tell you to make it up on the day. You know, the script's done when the film's done. Yeah, exactly. It's got to be. It's got to be done. you think you're joking, but I feel like that is how Marvel movies have come to work.

Sometimes at when the machine is at its worst. I will say, there are things about the modular machine that are great. Yeah, Iron Man was not done until it was done. Iron Man fucking slaps. There's something beautiful about the art of it's never, none of the aspects are fully set in stone until you've printed and distributed it and that's kind of the definitive copy to everyone else. but yeah like there is something that can be beautiful about that but at a at this size and scale that's that scary man i've been thinking about it like on the macro i wonder and i hope this isn't

the case but like i'm a huge marvel comics fan like marvel comics are my life and comics in general are my life but i learned to read with spider man and x-man and we're going into the x-men saga but watching in game i had such an incredible experience and then i did not like the encore stuff And then like this lead up to Doomsday, I was actually getting really excited. And then everything they've been saying as we're getting footage, I really liked the trailers. But now I'm like, ooh, if they do what it feels like they're doing, I'm really going to be done. And then Secret Wars, an 11 month turnaround for the biggest movie in their history. Like, I'm getting to the point where I'm like, I don't, what if this isn't what it was for me?

Like, am I outgrowing the raw excitement where I can just be like, I'm like it. Like I worry that while watching Digger, I was very aware that five or 10 years ago, it would not have been my thing. And now I'm like, ooh, am I hitting a point where in five or 10 years the MCU isn't going to be my thing? Like, do I love the comics and these characters enough that I can forgive more and more? Or do I want the separation of church and state between movies and comics to be like, ooh, this worries me? Because 11 months is not enough time to make a movie, like of this scale. You can make a damn fine medium budget drama. Like by 11D12 Angry Man.

Yeah. That's, but like a movie like this. And what's really hard is I've been a passionate fan that would defend anything hell or high water for years. I would be like, but if it's bad, I won't pretend. Like I got so much crap for defending an element of Supergirl that then people thought I loved everything about Supergirl because media literacy is dead. Yeah. But I basically was making it.

I thought clear that the way we address Supergirl was gross. The film itself is not in my top 25 of the year. Like, it's not, it's not prestigious in my heart. But the way it was received when I was like, look, we shouldn't be judging this character for the way she's handling grief. And that's what I find repulsive is how the audiences that wanted to hate this character were directly addressing women handling grief and drinking. and like we literally look at men becoming alcohol

like this is our archetype the cool brooding alcohol grief guy when a man drinks in a bar it becomes like I'm drinking remember a coy but when a woman does it's like she's an alcoholic she's not a role model anyway that's another video yes that women

you're my role model so lock it up but that movie was was me realizing like I have always found things I want to celebrate in any film what's become difficult is when it's something that I feel like like is abusing the source material or hurting the art or or sullying the past in the case of endgame encore i don't know if i'll be able to navigate the conversation because there are the people that were me 10 years ago that wanted to be so loud in the like everything's fine yeah yeah just trust

them until it comes out and we're hitting a new generation right like this is like gen z and gen alpha and all these people coming into stuff who are not nearly as invested in the superhero stuff as we were because it was like so novel and fresh but these same young people or older people than me. Like the whole spectrum, it's like you can't have anything constructive criticism to say because it's taken as like,

you're insulting our God! And like, it's a very tricky thing to navigate when something like this, if it's true, I don't know if it's true. They could have shot half this fucking movie in secret.

They might have. I'd love that. But if it's true that... Secret production. Secret wars. But if they are starting real production in January, I think it's fair to be concerned,

but because it's something that is like, you are immediately seen as a hater for having the conversation that you can be concerned. Yeah. And it's the cult of personality around Giant IP used to be fun. Yeah. And now it feels like Star Wars.

Like Star Wars has always been angry to me. I've never enjoyed putting my toe in the Star War water. And I feel like Marvel's gotten to that point. And it's unfortunate to be like, hey, I'm worried. And people like, you hate Marvel now. And it's like, no, I love it so much. I'm worried. It's that point at which you become an unstoppable force and you've conquered the world.

It's like you're at the top of everything now. Like now it's like comic books have gone from this place of being a niche thing that you would get shoved in a locker for to now you can, you know, wear your cred as a badge of honor. Now it is the most mainstream thing possible. And so it's weird because I got to imagine that creates a conflict. Like there are already a number of different kinds of fan that exist. There is the fan who cannot hear anything negative about their favorite thing. There is the fan who will rip their favorite thing apart because they love it so much.

Yes. And I feel like comics are in a weird place where, yeah, it's like you are a medium that is marked by variety and imagination and, you know, thinking outside the box. And sure, they're a derivative comics too. But I feel like this is reaching sort of an apex alongside a kind of cinema where, like, you kind of know what to expect from a muscle memory standpoint. That's why I like brand new day so much is because you've seen it, right? I'm on fridge. I'm on lockdown. I won't say anything that I have somehow managed not the only thing I know is that Sadie Sink is in it.

And that's it. The beautiful thing about Spider-Man in the vaguest of ways is that it is so emotionally driven, it can't hit those reflex points because the goal of the film is emotion. And so that's counter-programming to a lot of fluff. And what I worry about is since there's this inherent stock stake. stakeholder infinite growth mindset with companies when art becomes such a commodity that it has to make more money than the last one and it has to be bigger than the last one what impressed me so much about brand new day was the last movie was a billion dollar multiverse all the spider man are in it i love that movie to follow that with an emotionally driven movie shows hey we're not going to just go bigger bigger bigger fuck you this is for stockholders they went character that's and bold. And they learned well from No Way Home because people's favorite thing about that movie among many, many, many things

was the brotherly bond between those Spider-Men and the emotion you felt not only because of the nostalgia but because they took an opportunity that they didn't have to take to be heartfelt. Right. And that's my concern of what we're getting when stuff has to be bigger and bigger and more of a product is that lesson

was so well learned. Two and a half billion dollars. We clearly showed up for the right reasons. But if you're doing something that needs to be this big and be bigger than Doomsday and you've only got 11 months to like suss it out there's not room to grow there's not room there's not room to learn as you go like you can't like pivot because there's no time to pivot and then visual effects are going to be like what what can that be so i just worry about the way this is it feels like a product to be put out and i i hear all the comments in advance like the russos haven't failed as the mc u i agree i love everything the

russos have done in the mcc but we're queuing up a tall order right now they're carrying a dish is through the dining hall and every time is that you have to do that is high stakes. The fact that even as artists, I want them to have more than 11 months. Like as a human being that respects the human being artist, Joe and Anthony Russo, as beings of human carbon, I want them to have more than 11 months with their dream project. Yeah. So I just, I want that part to come out, not just like he's a hater now. And I'm not hating. I feel like people would respect if Marvel came out and said, hey, we're going to push

the release date, because so much in Hollywood, if you don't know, is decided by release dates. Release dates often are decided in advance, locked in, and you've got to hit that, and hell or high water, if you don't. So, like, Marvel is in a unique position where, yeah, if you move that release date, it's an issue, you have deal with that. You move Ghost Rider,

and you move Black Panther 3. Because they have dates. See, that's part of the issue. Is this really fun when they, and they're not doing as much, like, hey, we're denouncing all these projects. 17 years away. Probably for this reason, because, yeah, you have this whole, When we move one video here, it triggers a chain reaction that Greg and Alex can speak too much better than me, but a chain reaction.

So imagine your major motion picture studio. And so I feel like people would respect if they're like, hey, we really care to get this right. And we have moved, you know, I guess. I feel like adult people, like mature people would. But like the internet and who their audiences is is going to be, they're in such a tricky spot right now because this is like a comeback tour. I'm of the mind that Marvel went never went away I don't think that Marvel like should have stopped it in game because there's so many great things after and and I don't think they fell nearly as far as people think with four five and six at all I do not think there were more misses than hits I still think there were more hits than misses and that's insane from any studio much less a shared universe but they feel like because of the optics that this has to be a comeback tour so if they blink now if they're playing chicken with the audience now That's what I worry about is they might not feel like they can move it. I feel for them.

I feel for everybody because this just seems like that you're never going to win until the movie is good. And that's the only way you win. And I'm afraid for the reasons because I don't know what it's like to be them. Maybe they handle all this shit just fine. But dealing with all this Doomsday and then into a super tight secret wars. It seems like a mill to put people through them. They're going to start doing press for Doomsday.

What's pre-production? And then you're going to be traveling with Doomsday through. We got AI for that now. Hello. We got Ultron to do that now. Yeah, literally. So yeah, I just, I'm just a little worried about, you know, the production timing and the logistics and the sanity and the quality. And I just wanted to be good because I love it.

Like, secret words I love. Well, and I guess we can end and segue out from this. But like what you said a couple of minutes ago made me think of something, you know, this idea of like, is there something missing here? Or am I just developing a different taste or have I had enough of this flavor? And it's something I go through with like band. I like sometimes. I'll spend, you know, I'll have discovered somebody and for years and years, release on release. I'm like, I'm so excited. And then I'll come to a phase where I'm like, ah, not really that like compelled toward this time around. What is it? Is that a deal with, is that an issue of the music that it's just not appealing to me or is it an issue of my taste changing? And, you know, part of the fun of that or something that I've come to reckon with, because the first time it happens, I think you feel sad. And you're like, oh, no, is my favorite band not good anymore? Yeah. And you feel kind of strange. And then your understanding of the lunch. of taste and experience changes. But sometimes those things come back around.

Sometimes it's like Queens of the Stone Age is one of my favorite bands. And the past couple albums, I've been like, yeah, I checked them out. I have them. I like stuff off them. But I haven't been like super compelled. But this new one, I'm like, oh, damn, I feel the excitement again. Like, okay, cool. Like there's some curveballs that are speaking to me, not even to say that the other

music's not good. It's just like, yeah, there's something back in the sauce. And I feel like the one troublesome thing is with a band, the double-edged sword there is there's more time between a release. Whereas with Marvel, I think part of the big problem and part of the conversation around the drop-off is that you don't get time to miss them ever. And I think that's the real trouble of the post-end game phases that they didn't, because Disney and other considerations, that was not allowed to happen. You're not allowed to get a break from this. And thus, it makes me sad about the original mission statement of like, no, we're going to really fold other genres into these.

I feel like that has become window dressing more and more over time. And not because it's only a specific cape tone. It's just, it's their own specific pipeline tone. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like, yes, it's, there's a beauty in that unification. And I don't necessarily think that negates variety. But I do, yeah, think that that's kind of where they should start putting their brains.

I think X-Men can break that. I honestly think X-Men can be so big and so unique. It's its own thing. and have genres within it. I just hope that honestly, I hope Doomsday and Secret Wars are big enough that they don't feel like X-Men has to be part of the formula.

I hope they make so much money that X-Men gets to be the thing it needs to be uniquely. Because it'll make money by nature of it being X-Men. I hope they take swings with X-Men because it's a built-in IP that's going to profit. You can have two side-by-side franchises that are kind of their own like they were,

but also with overlap. Westchester is in New York, and New York City is where a lot of more takes place. They always felt like they were just a drive away, but it was separate. I think X-Men should feel unique to the MCU, but also fold in when it needs to. And I think, I hope that these make so much money that they can trust in that. But I mean, after that Black Panther three, Ryan Coogler's got, it's going to feel really different. Like Wakanda Forever and Black Panther both feel very unique. Yeah. There are MCU elements in them, but they feel unique. I don't know. They have a

point of view and a vision. Yeah. A vision beyond the thing. And clearly somebody was able to take an authorial control beyond the pipeline. Yeah. And I think that post secret wars, that's what I hope happens. Because it is X-Men. It is Black Panther 3. I hope there's a flavor that shows what it felt like in the beginning with like genre

independence like you're speaking to. So I'm just, I'm temporarily worried. I'm still excited as fuck for Doomsday and Secret Wars. I'm just less excited than I was six months ago. And that's a little worrying for something that's coming out in two months, three months. So I can't wait to be amped again,

but I'm definitely right now like, ooh, Don't worry. You'll look back on this and be like, the worry is part of the fun. Yeah. This is all part of the greater anticipation cycle. Yeah. Because then you can rise back up.

Exactly. I'm excited for that phase. And speaking of roller coasters, speaking of rising back up, digger. Digger. What a roller coaster. What a roller coaster. We can finally talk about it without having a pussy foot around it. Okay.

We're going to talk spoilers. Which actually, I got to say, is a hard to. as it was to articulate a movie like that for the regular review. Yeah. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be just to talk about it without talking about the thing. Yeah. It's so big a thing. You can talk about the feelings and the ideas and the tones because there are so many.

And the thing. Yeah. And because the movie itself is like there, there's a lot of what the trailer is in this movie. It's not a false advertisement. It's just not the whole thing. Well, the advertisement had to be vague, like the review had to be vague. but the advertisement sells enough of it that if you like the ad,

you're going to love the movie. But it also sells enough that if you don't like the ad, you might not like the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's an authentic ad. All right. On three, we're going to say Team Digger or not Team Digger, just to lay down a general consensus.

And then we'll get into spoilers. We'll warn you. And so it'll be one, two, three, go. Now, is this the person or the movie? Yeah, I said Team Digger in the review. I'm going to, sorry, one, two, three. Team Digger. All right.

This is the movie. I'm not Team Digger the man. What am I fucking signing on for, John? I saw that. Tyler Durdin is my hero. Guys. This is what I worry about guys. There's that amazing scene in the film. Not a spoiler yet.

But where they're in that like courtroom setting of public opinion. Dude, the big yeah, the like peanut gallery with the giant lady justice. Team Digger happens. Yeah. And that was a beautiful scene because that is reality. So we're going to talk spoilers.

This is going to be spoilers for Digger. Yes. Digger spoilers. Digger spoilers because I could not do what you did. I watched your review. It was impressive. I gave a spoiler review from Jump. Thank you.

Coming from you, that means a lot because the thing is, listen up, really quick. Coy has an ability. Coy has an ability. He'll go in, we'll shoot an episode of lanterns or something, and then he'll come in here and there'll be like five to ten minutes of silence. And then five to ten minutes of unbroken, like, cogent thought. I don't edit my release. it does not edit. I don't like editing

to the point that I learned how to host without editing. I literally do one take. If you watch my channel everything is one take. It's the first take. It's the only take. I'm not going back and it's one fucking, because I literally do it on my phone and then I go to YouTube. I don't color correct. I don't sound.

I just fucking go upload. My amazing wife makes a thumbnail. I type up some metadata. Shouts out on you. And if I'm almost at 100K on my YouTube page now from unedited work, I am starting to edit my like Godzilla I wanted to have clips put in. And like,

don't do it. What's it called? Raygun. Don't do it. But all of that's still my own one take. So it's, I'm an unbroken audio. But inserts.

So it's still a oneer. Well, and if it's a trailer, that's edited for you. So all you got to do is just snip off those stray frames and you're good. But it's still a water because I don't, I don't edit. But so yeah,

that was a fucking very. Mr. One Take one. The original. Thank him. Thank him. I just want to be out here. Sorkin.

That is my coyest review on this channel. That is a good. That's what, I mean, selfishly, that's why I'm like, this is a really good work. No, I'm narcissism coming through. You're good work. I'm very honest. Like, again, sausage is made. It's one of the handful of things.

You know, we have a team on most everything. But every once in a while, there's something that one of us, you know, makes kind of top to bottom. So that's like, that's one of my, like, I made every element in that video. But copyright was clever to avoid. But movie magic. The first two seconds of the producer brain coming out while you're talking. And so you're like, well, this is fucked up to go over there. I was like, I'm going to shoot an intro.

to prove I was here because part of my mind is like, are they not going to believe me? This is out of a theater. Look, there's the theater. There is the theater. And I mean, you know, it's a gaudy movie and the grove is a gaudy is elegant, but also some people hate the shit out of the grove too. Both are fair.

But as are reviews for this movie. That is my most coy coded review. But in contrast, the movie magic holds that thing together because to put getting the actual thoughts together for those things takes me hours. Really?

Yeah. It takes a long time. That's why. It did not feel it. Yeah. I will, I have taken multiple approaches to this because I've discovered the first couple times I tried to do a solo was like, oh, I've been here. It's almost daybreak.

You know, it's like, it's because my editing brain kicks in way too hard and it can hear everything. And it's like, no, it's not right. We've got to stop. So I'll kind of string these things together. Like I'll get a. a flow going and when the flow is disrupted all it's cut

look back at what I got go up to where I like it pick up the next thing and that's your second take and so all those together and I'm getting better and better over time I think at stitching them together with less agony but yeah to get a coy review I I am so jealous

of you but yes it's to me the way that I think is the way that I want people to receive the review so I'm like if I fall here I have this weird thing where I'm like that's life. Part of the butterfly effect of reality

is this pitfall and I like the fucking jazz of it and so like I can get there with with a co-host. Oh okay it's like improv versus stand up to me it's like I can because when I have a co-host I can rattle

like you can yeah I can do a monologue with a co-host yeah I like the jazz that is both stand up and like it's a three camera bit in one because I like the high wire act of it and that's actually this is all tying into Digger because

I have a theory about Digger that ties very personally into my experience of chasing the dragon of life. Excellent. I love this set up. This is a coy set up. This is my experience of Digger versus the this is the spoiler versus the people. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler.

Yeah, this is your final warning. We have given you a preamble to the spoilers. If you're mad now, that's your own fault. Get unfucked up, A.A. Ron. Three, again, two and a one. The magic of the duality of Digger in this

was that I identified with both the Digger persona and the actor persona in different ways that both felt jarringly personal to the point that about halfway through, I had a full-on existential crisis. I had one of the, probably the biggest crisis of psyche that I've had since Civil War,

the Alex Garland film. there was a moment in this film Oh God Like Civil War fucked me up To the point where I did the weirdest thing Where I was like a five year old that lost his mom After I saw Civil War I went into a Sears

Or it was either a Sears or a Macy's It was it was in a mall And it was a apartment store And I literally You got right in the middle of a shirt rack I sat on the edge of a shirt rack Because I wanted I wanted to be around the sound of people

Yeah And I wanted to be in a well lit area But I was having such a stress response To what I'd just seen that I didn't want to be alone, but I didn't want to be near anyone. So I sat in like a high traffic space alone. That's how Zero Dark 30 made me feel. That's like wrecked my week.

Yeah. I was in like a weird, yeah, fog of just like, what's the point of anything? Why? So I needed that. So this did a similar thing where I thought about my legacy and my impact. And like obviously it is a microcosm of this person's impact. Like Digger is, you know, a global power. And in cabinets with the president and all the,

these things, but I thought about like what I'm leaving behind and it made me re-quantify everything I've thought about myself as a bad person, whether or not the good I've done has outweighed me being a bad person, whether or not. So all those things were the digger persona, but then the actor persona, I was thinking about Tom Cruise, the man and how much Tom Cruise has enjoyed this press tour because it seems like he's getting connected to people because there's no way to advertise this movie. So instead of advertising the movie, Tom Cruise is the ad. So Tom Cruise, the man, gets to be the spectacle because he's connecting and that's such a new way to advertise

it's all these TikTokers and these fucking dancing idiots that that need to be like I have followers and you're important so I'm important for standing next to you and so the marketing then becomes kind of fourth wall breaking because the marketing is just marketing to market because I met

Tom Cruise it's not this movie's about this and the movie is about fourth wall breaking so now we're at like this 16th wall which is also the movie that literally pulls back the curtain on all the world's stage. So the marketing then inherently ties into the nature of the film, being removing that lens at which we see the world through.

And in thinking of that experience of the actor, I was thinking about how Tom Cruise has for 40 years reached newer heights of not just adrenaline, but persona and power and clout and how proud I am of Tom Cruise, the man, for leveraging his clout to finally make a movie that says something. I love franchises. I fucks with Top Gun Heavy. Mission Impossible's Arbless. I love those movies.

Jack Reacher. Jack Reacher. Fucking transcendent. Never go back. I don't think any of those beyond like AI bad have said much in a while. I liked the commentary

that Top Gun Maverick had about like the humanity of art and the humanity of the person versus the machines. Like there are themes, obviously, otherwise the movie's piece of shit. But beyond the themes, the movie didn't like fucking say something.

And to me, this is Tom Cruise leveraging 40 years of clout to say something to actually have something that he's fucking ten toes down on that's important and saying it so loudly that it can't be ignored, which is the point of the movie about narratives and perception, it spells it out. But then actor Tom Cruise,

the person, like Thomas Mappathor the third. So now we've talked about Tom Cruise. I always wonder what his actual name was. Thomas Mappathar the third. The real man underneath the Cruz. I think he is the closest to the man we see playing this role of any role he's ever played.

Yeah. The man, I think his name's Carter or something. Something like that. The man who's probably on Wikipedia now. The man playing The Digger persona is a man who has only a few descriptors about him. Yeah. He's a man who doesn't ever feel satisfied. There's a line of dialogue.

Curtis Markson. Thank you. I was close. Curtis. Curtis Markinson. If you haven't picked up on this already, the big thing, there's a, it's a play, it's a movie within a play. And there's four levels. It's literal political theater.

It's personified political theater. And there are layers upon that. I love that that was the first act revealed. There's a second act reveal. And then there's an incredible third act reveal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To me, the Curtis, it's Curtis? Curtis Markson.

Curtis Markson. Plays Digger Rockwell. Digger Rockwell. So Digger Rockwell, to me, is Tom Cruise. And Curtis Markson, to me, is Thomas Mappather. The third. And I don't think we've ever seen Thomas Mappother. And I love that there's a line about the dissatisfacification.

Disfatisfaction. The dissatisfied. Hot off the... The dissatisfied nature of his eyes. Yeah. There's like a line about that. And I think about my own experience with what we do and like my excitement and like I'm

getting more and more dissatisfied with humanity, which leads me to want to talk to people I respect even more. I like the star fuckery element of this town less and less when it's less and less and less deserve because of the TikTokification of culture. I don't want. to talk to Tom Cruise to get a photo with him. I want to talk to Tom Cruise because I respect him and he fascinates me. When I talk to Ryan

Gosling, I don't want a sound bite. I want to understand a little bit more about Ryan Gosling because I respect him. So that's what... You want that sliver of humanity. This moment is giving the opportunity to find. I like reflecting the importance of their art back to them. That's my favorite thing. But I also like receiving just a pearl of wisdom or a thing that's

going to better my day or life by getting some knowledge from someone who I admire and respect. And I respect and admire so few people. It's usually someone who has done something great. So with the culture shifting into commodifying actors to the point where they're literally just objects to be seen with, and we don't let them have real conversations because the studios are truncating everything more and more.

We don't have a James Lipton. Unless they're hot wings. Hot ones is still a bastion of hope, but it does now that it's gotten bigger. But it's also as it's gotten bigger, it's felt more and more curtailed. The last three seasons of hot ones have felt much more like scripted and structured. Sure. So when I see something like the persona of Curtis and the dissatisfaction, in his eyes, I think of my experience with, like, I've hosted Hall Age three times,

and that's 6,500 people. And that's a rush that I cannot quantify. It is 13,000 eyeballs on you, and you feel that energy and that rush, and you know they're listening to every word, and you're a rock star for 55 minutes. And you understand how real rock stars do heroin. You understand chasing that hot. Because how do you ever get that again if you play fucking Coachella? How do you ever get that again if you played fucking Live Nation?

Like that rush is so singular. Tom Cruise has had that since he was a teenager. Now Tom Cruise, the man has to fucking climb mile high buildings. He has to fly in the outside of planes. Tom Cruise is chasing the dragon to a scale. None of us can ever understand. So there is nothing more than feeling dissatisfied on a day-to-day basis. You are biochemically engineered to chase.

more. What more can Tom Cruise have? So you've got a character in Digger who is literally chasing someone loving him, chasing this dragon that his father didn't love him, chasing money because there's nothing else to chase, holding on to the past to the point where his dead cat is just sitting like, there is so much about Digger

that feels like Tom Cruise in the bad way, reflecting Tom Cruise in Top Gun Maverick, which was the positive. The yin and yang of Tom Cruise is Maverick right into Digger, but then Thomas Mappother gets to be Curtis, who is the dissatisfactory man who wants to connect as a human, who wants to connect to his wife, who wants to understand

his daughter, who wants to use his power for something that makes him more human, but there is no humanity left, so he literally puts on a mask. I'm so happy right now. It was fucking amazing just from a psychological study of Tom Cruise. And none of that was even talking about the movie, by the way. I didn't even talk about the movie yet. It's like, I was just Tom. I can see, I can see all this.

And like, there are threads of this that occurred to me during the movie. But I think that's part of what's so fun about it and why. I hope it defies some level of expectation because, like, it does have a ton of things like that to dissect. And I feel like the movie for me, you know, it's like I can get down with, again, they want to pitch this like modern strange love. I can get down with that. But when they first, when reveal one sets in, that's when the movie really started to like take on a new dimension. And I feel like part of the glue that really endeared me to the experience was all that quiet, you know, contemplation behind the scenes,

even when it's just the annoying parts of a production of the line. Why are we doing, like this guy's such an asshole and why are we making these choices and like, why do I got to, you know, and looking at there's like something kind of sad in the Marxon character, but this also feels like some kind of weird ritual that is like a bloodletting or something. Like it's almost a spiritual thing we have to do.

And that converses with what art is, but it also converses with the fact that they are, doing something that is a depiction in universe of a real life event. Which I love that reveal. Holy fuck. Yeah. That was when I was like, post this.

Because I guess the theater thing months ago. There's a line in the trailer and I won't pretend. I said it on the show. I said I think it's about a play about reality. Sure. And they set a line at Cinemicon a year ago that was, they know the facts. They don't know the story.

And I was like, fuck. I think I figured it out. And I figured out. But then when there was the second and then third reveal, I was like, oh, thank God. So that moment for me was when I was like, oh, I don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes. Yeah. And that moment of,

you were talking about the shift and the bloodletting, I was suddenly like pulled into a whole other perspective on art because we watch movies for grief and we watch movies for comedy. And they're acknowledging the need for that. Heartbreak feels good in a place like this. His wife opens the whole experience, his ex-wife. But like that grief and comedy,

I felt that in the theater to the point where I was looking at the walls of the physical theater I was in. Yeah. I was thinking about. about what was outside the walls. And I was thinking about like that last beat with the level four and then them using that to go into credits. But like even earlier than that, I was sitting that theater looking at the fourth wall. And I never look at the fourth wall directly.

I love like we're living in the setting of a different Tom Cruise movie on top of all this. Like you could put a fucking minority report just outside. And you would never know until the very end, which is like hilarious. Well, they plan. hilarious to me because you also got like robot centuries walking around and stuff like and they show it in the phone they show it in the mirror communication devices

like they do all of these twists with payoff like every bit of this is set up from the first scene and I love that the movie isn't one of those like twist instead it's like we told you the story like I love that we had the facts we just had the story well and I love too the way that they utilize like the other in your two joints

have this quality but I thought the movie walked a really cool line between cinema and theater where there were times where I would be fully in the zone, the buzz that you get when you're in all of the faculties that a theater stage could never give you that cinema has. And then there are other times where you find yourself or I found myself dipping back into like, oh snap, we're just did like in the room and this scene's been going on for a long time. And I don't know how they did that.

I feel like I'm kind of just here appearing to a window. And so like the and then you're in the theater and you're if you're vibing with this, If you're not, you're going to feel totally different than we do. But like if you're viving with it, you feel like you're kind of involved with the movie because you are another layer of the movie within the play within the movie, within the movie. And you know that the movie itself wants to and whether or not it's successful at encapsulating the woes and follies of our actual time. It's related to and based on that stuff.

So you feel like you are kind of, we are kind of in conversation with the movie too. and it gives you this big ridiculous package to process this fictional but tangible, you know, catastrophic event. Because, too, like, what happens? I don't know the science. I'm sure it's a bit outlandish. But the way they pose it to you is not especially outlandish. And so, like, there is an element of grim tangibility. And, you know, it's like we go to movies all the time that are based on real life situations that were harsh and that we're, you know, comprised of a lot of.

lot of rough people doing a lot of rough things and there can be catharsis in the you know fictional rationalizing of those things you know it's like i thought that was a cool instance because one of the best scenes in the movie obviously is is when some of the best scenes are with riz Ahmed oh my god he goes off perception is reality no it's not yeah yeah yeah like and he when he goes off on digger great and when he tells the truth in front of everybody yeah as part of the is a real matrix moment Yeah. In a movie with multiple realities. I was like,

it really fucking does it. And it's not like obvious. It's not, it's reminiscent. It's not like actually attributing the matrix specifically. But like those moments are super cathartic too because, you know, he gets to kind of speak that truth. But then you realize,

oh, in some contexts in reality, truth doesn't actually matter. Right. Sometimes the truth we distill out of our fictional hindsight retelling can be more authentic or more useful. And then perception is reality. We see that become an untruth back to a truth.

We literally see perception of reality as an example. And then the next time we see Riz Ahmed, the scene ends with perception being reality. And that doesn't really go away in a film about perception. And to me- The fucking story about the tuna! Dude. Broke my heart. And I was like, no, dude, no matter what, don't eat the tuna.

Don't eat the damn tuna. The fucking cinematography in this film. I don't know where the hell that was tuna came from. the way that we were able to spin yarns like the tuna, but also the way the cinematographer was able to capture those yarns. Like between Alejandro and the DP, they had to shoot a global catastrophe film that felt globally charged while also acknowledging a play setting

while also being extremely intimate to catch the fact that we needed to connect to these humans. So this film had to shoot three different movies and put them in one and a lot of times in oners. And this, like, I love the fact that I think I've never seen. seen a shot from under the jowls of an old white man last longer than a minute and this film is

largely jowled white men. Get them jowls. And it's such an intimate vulgar vulnerable position. And then you feel the malice of these fucking assholes but you also feel the intimacy of connecting to them. And that's such a bold shot that then has to feel

so global and enormous when it like pulls out to something that's enormous and then it has to shift into like remember it's a play. And all of things feel true. And I don't know if I've seen a movie handle that many styles of narrative without feeling trite. And then it has to narratively make sense for it being a series of fourth wall breaks that doesn't feel like the Truman Show as like, that's the end. Like, the Truman Show has that amazing reveal. I love the Truman Show. But that's the end. This has to

weave it in and out and not bore you with one of the realities, nor does it have to feel old when they introduced in the first act, because each reveal is more interesting than the last. And then the final reveal with Jesse Plemons, it's such a powerful conversation about how human, even monsters are. Like, this is maybe the most I've ever felt for,

like, Mitch McConnell's family. Like, the real guy. Like, those people have to just tolerate this absolute monster of a turtle of a fucking asshole and just, the consequences of having that last name are going to echo through eternity.

Yeah. That's insane. I've never, I've never thought about those fucking people. No. And like, I love that they humanized even monsters. And John Goodman does such a great job.

Giving them a pass. Yeah. Just the lived in experience of knowing them for the two hours we know them. And knowing, again, that we're not actually following them for real kind of helps. Right. For me,

kind of help that. Because I think it's, it's odd. Like, obviously some of the most obvious stuff is that, I mean, John Goodman's a good example of it. He is very much a caricature.

Yeah. And in fact, I feel like the further you get from the, core characters, the more kind of cartoon, the other performers are. But there's something about like the, I had a train of thought. What was the core caricature and the further you get, it allows you to adapt to that character more. So since he's in the play the whole time, you don't meet the real president. It allows you to connect to that farce of him.

And I think that's what you're going with. Yeah, it's like that stuff, the sort of strange-lovy, like the big sort of cartoon-y stuff is like at the foreground. And I feel like in some of the reviews I've heard since, you know, that's, kind of what people are left with the sort of like, yeah, I get it. I've seen this satire before. Which is interesting to me because That's only the first layer. Yeah, that layer actually has kind of faded

toward the back of the things that I'm thinking about because also that's kind of the most obvious layer of the movie. That's the delivery mechanism of the movie. Yeah, like it's not the movie, it's how you, that's the spoonful of sugar for the medicine to go down. Yeah, and it's the icebreaker and you know, it's, like I said in the

at the end of my little spiel, it's like I've heard people mention don't look up And I don't even dislike that movie, but like that movie is doing one thing. And if you're not on board with that thing, there's nothing else it's going to try and do. And I don't like that movie. And that movie is on the nose and it's assuming you agree with it and all sorts of things. And this didn't give me that. And once it started adding layers and having these conversations, it felt more thoughtful than that.

And in Yari 2 can feel, I know, again, this is a Roershack. So half the people feel like this is overly indulgent and overly pleased with itself and a little too far up its own ass. I thought this had actual kind of pathos and an actual kind of, you know, curious look at, yeah, some dark aspects of humanity and society and all the gears that run that. But it, people love Birdman and I don't because like I don't manage to connect to the humanity of that movie. Interesting. You know, it holds me at a distance that I couldn't bridge. That's how I felt about don't look up. That's funny.

We're exactly inverse, but this is like the equalizer. Well, and don't look up also. Don't look up. It's like it's so much of the cartoon it wants to be that like I can kind of get there. There are sometimes worse satire. Yeah, it's like I get it. You're beating me over the head with it. I get it.

And I liked some of the character choices by the actors in that movie. But yeah, this everything interesting to me about this is like beyond the political satire. You know. And I, yeah, when Jesse Plemons, he's like the warmest I've ever seen him. He gives when Tom Cruise is freaking out about his daughter. Yeah. They lose hope. and they got to go find hope

off screen and he talks to him and he's like calming him down and it was weird because it's like that's a moment in life that like when somebody like cuts through the noise was just like hey

I'm here to help I have some resources we're gonna calm down we're gonna get this sorted out you're good do you need anything can I help you like yeah

and it was like so striking because he's obviously like a kind of guy who works with these autours and who plays these twisted characters and it's like the simple character in this movie. And then you get the little boy version and that's

fascinating that little actor. From fucking Digger to that little boy like the blame on the child actor for the reveal is such a, like, it's such a cool telling moment of like a different kind of fourth wall break. Yeah. I love this movie. I think it's my number three of the year. The more I think about it like the more I, like it's

an alive, it's like, is it deep do its political aspirations like really hit some kind of like cogent like I think this has gotten an intelligible message? Like I kind of of have the inkling that it does, but I'm the kind of viewers, like, I don't think I'm smart enough to fully have a detailed analysis of those things right off the bat. But it does, like, as a movie that wants to be political and a movie that wants to have a little bit fun, a movie that wants to have a lot of craft and a movie that wants to say some things, but also feel a lot and kind of contemplate the deeper humanity beyond all this stuff, beyond all of the bluster. Yeah. You know, I thought it was really effective and, like, the more I've thought about it. And like, I was so, I was on, like, that's not a sentiment. I was. I was. Like, that's not a sentiment. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I I was like so looking forward to this chat. These are the experiences that make cinema really special.

I was talking about how Spider-Man brand-new day had been my number three. And I was like, I don't know if this is before or after Spider-Man, but I want to talk about the experience of watching this more than the experience of watching Spider-Man. As much as I love, and Spider-Man's my favorite character. And this is my favorite live-action Spider-Man movie. But all those conversations, I feel like I'll talk about for a year or two. I think I'll talk about Digger for longer.

like I feel like Digger is you know an experience that makes me love cinema whereas Spider-Man brand new day is an experience of loving Spider-Man like this is such a movie lover's movie and it's such a unique take on how to utilize cinema I think it's my number three

because it's like I'll remember 2026's films for this whereas I'll always be like I love Spider-Man Brain New Day but like this the Odyssey and Project Tell Mary are fucking game changers like hard stop yeah and like I love I think I'll always want to talk about

Tipple. And bone temple. Oh, Bone Temple's number five. I just want to keep that at MultiCon. I was like, that was the, the,

this year movie I should have shouted out because I do love that. That's my right after Spider-Man movie. That's my number five. My top five, I don't, like they're so incredible. Like this year, any of those can be number one most years.

Yeah. And it's like, I, is this still at 50%? It's right down the middle, which I think is a special tomato meter score. I like that's so nice. I like that's so much.

Like, we don't love a rotten except when it's exactly half the world. I think that's like, that's like the most interesting score you can possibly get. That's because you're either, you might. And this is a weird movie too

because I don't think you would love it or hate it, but it will or won't be for you. And then there will be a spectrum within at least the will side. Yeah. If it's not for you. I don't think you'll kind of hate it. I think you'll vehemently hate it or.

And then there's shades of liking it. And I personally loved it. I actually had a thing where I logged on my socials a couple hours after watch the movie and I was like, has anyone seen this yet? And no one in my like wall had but then I went through my stories

and someone who like I don't know well that I respect as like a content creator that I don't know as a human very well but it has grown on me over time like someone I'll like seek out at events to say hi to that we've like you know when someone's about to be a friend or not and you're like whether you're investing time in them or not

they're on the cusp of like do I make time for them this is a person there and the opening post of theirs was like a shut up and dribble kind of post and I was like oh well that's a decision made like I just am like what an easy decision of not to invest in this person. That's not a vibe I'm willing to cultivate with you. I was like my opposite experience was I literally come out of this so proud of Tom Cruise for making a movie that said something.

And then the first of their six story post tirade was like a I wish actors didn't get into politics. And I'm like, this is not the time to be complicit in silence. And there never has been a time. I think every generation thinks they live at the worst. I think every generation has it like things are the worst they've ever. been but we always find unprecedented new ways to be evil and bad because like that's gonna that's gonna get the headlines and like you know we we don't currently have gas chambers we might be heading there but we don't current like there are always worse times but there are always

better times when we look back like shit is always going wrong we don't look at the shit going right so it's really interesting I don't think there's ever been a time for it to be okay to be quiet yeah I think we have idealized versions of the 70s 80s 60s 50 like we have idealized version of time. There was shit going wrong every time and people shouldn't have been okay with it then. Now, because I only have my own lived in experience, it isn't okay to build a platform and just be a bitch.

It's not. Like, if you are someone who has something to say and you have empathy for people, you should say something. And if you have, you know, if you've built 40 years of being a movie star and you actually make a movie about something that is a bipartisan problem. This movie's political,

but it's a human movie. Then fucking use that. So like, I I fuck shut up and dribble. Well, and there are certainly people writing off as like, you know, this is propaganda for the left or whatever, but I, at least from what I have heard,

it is not quite as like only for the libs as it could be. Like it seems like it is kind of reaching multiple people on the spectrum of politics. And even has a forgiveness arc for like oil monsters being the sin eaters of society. Because the human being element is the problem. Like people are consuming when they know they shouldn't. People are flying needlessly, driving needlessly, buying needlessly, two-day shipping. Like, we know we're doing this and we know we're the problem. That person is who you get to point the finger at.

That person gets to go, yes, I'm profiting off of your evils. And yes, I'm evil, but I've accepted that. Yeah. That's a beautiful arc and beautiful moment. And like, in our chat right now, silo grain saying two gay shills living in their own bubble, this regard is talking out of his ass. That's the kind of person that, like, you expect for this to offend because they don't have two brain cells to rub together.

Like those are the people that need to have this shit beaten over their heads. But then like people that read get to have a piece of art that actually gets to speak to them in a way that is multilayered, that gets to be a conversation that gets to like articulate something. And that's why I think artists making art that says something is so much more important than art just for the sake of the commerce that movies feel like they become. You still need to make tent poles because the theater needs to stay open. The tent needs to stay up. We still need Top Gun Maverick. I still fucking want Top Gun Maverick.

But if after five Top Gun Mavericks, 22 Mission Impossibles, 15 whatever franchises, we can get one of these every so often. Like, art gets to keep living and these regards get to like shut up and dribble and watch their bullshit. Like I think there's always going to be shut up and dribble stuff.

But that's why that's more of that stuff. Tides into the skydance conversation, right? Like that's why we need both. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And it makes me sad that this is probably not, going to do very well. And it makes me, Tom Cruise is in a unique

position because it seems like a passion project for him, a chance for him to again get back to. He's been talking lately about I love all kinds of movies, not just action movies. Yeah, now he's making one. And so it makes, I hope that he will not be discouraged from doing more things like this. I mean, it does

kind of bring up the question about his star power because he is one, he is a bankable star, but this is also a test of that. And granted, there's a lot of other stuff that this is not the kind of movie that a that every person in the general audience is going to be like that's for me you know they didn't make this for anyone yeah like like this feels like a like well this is the last warner brother's just purely branded film and it's kind of fitting to be like an anti-consumerist fable yeah and i mean

i don't know like yeah there are a lot of political elements but this was just a time where i didn't that wasn't the only thing the movie was doing i don't think it's even political i think it's pro-humanity yeah and a pro-humanity movie is going to be anti- idiot. Like, the anti-humanists that don't understand society, one, don't deserve art, but they'll never understand that this movie is about people. They'll just see it as attacking their delicate sensibilities of not knowing how to tie their shoes.

Like, when you're so dumb that you think everyone's against you and you think the world is pitted against you, anything smart is going to make you feel dumber and then you're going to lash out. When you can't articulate your thoughts, you get angry at people that seem better than you because they are. This is a movie for people better than these people. Well, and you gotta want it. Like, it's totally fair if it's like it's not your taste and it's cool to have a short show.

Like that's part of the kaleidoscope. Those are people I'm talking about. To not want to even bother. Like it's, I'm not saying everyone has to watch this. But if you're going to get in on the conversation, go watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I have no problem if you don't like this movie. That's not what I'm trying to say.

So thank you for clarifying. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am saying that people that are like angry. People want to hate this thing. Yeah. And I think that I enjoy those people suffering. And that's the bummer. of, it's the necessity

of the campaign to advertise this movie is to keep a certain level, a number of things secret that you could also never explain in a trailer anyway. No, like I couldn't do what you did with the non-spoiler, I just fucking spoiler. But like, that's the thing is like those are, I don't know, that that's the art inside and that's what keeps

this from being propaganda to me is that it is like concern with the humanity and that's what I left with and that's what surprised me. I don't expect to walk out feeling like any emotion, like with emotional thought. on my mind. Yeah.

You know, like, oh, I connected in ways I wasn't expecting. I was, like, feeling kind of in the midst of, especially the backstage stuff. Yeah.

The backstage stuff, there's just like a, an aura in that, that, I don't know, moved me in some way or another. And I couldn't even quite describe it. Like,

that's a beautiful, rare thing. And you got to kind of, yeah, keep your receptor open for that. And, again, like, I've seen versions of this movie that I don't like,

and I've seen versions of this movie that do pander. And everyone's line for that. is different. But yeah, like don't prescribe. This is the, this is absolutely a kind of movie where it's like,

don't prescribe the thing you think it is from the outside because you hate that thing and write it off entirely from there. Like you might still hate it, but I don't know, there's more to it. It's not a don't look up, you know. Right.

Exactly. That to me was like, I couldn't. That's the most direct way to say. It's almost the anti, don't look up with similar goals. Like that's why I like this so much was because, Because I was like, oh, like, and I don't dislike movies that are about politics and want to directly talk about that and have that be the center stage.

And certainly that's a big part of the suit. But, yeah, it was just had so much more on its mind. Yeah, I'm actually really excited to watch it again. I am too. And, like, I love the way they construct the world because, you know, it's kind of Brechti and obviously they break the re-out. Like when that first thing comes up with the tree and then you're like, what am I looking at? Is this a fantasy world? There's a, there are giants.

There's a giant guy here. Yeah. And there are like other big people back there, but there are human-sized people in that. Is this a diorama? Are we toys? Are we small? Are they big? Yeah, I love that.

And the way that they use both stagecraft, you know, it's like you have this platform, big shell. You have this platform in the middle of the ocean and they have like the cellophane layers. And then you look back at the trailer and I'm like, oh, shit, you can just see all that. It just is. In that aerial shot of the stealth bombers, you're like, oh, all that ocean is not real. And we don't look to look. Yeah. We want the illusion, which is another part of perception.

This movie's about us not wanting to see. And the trailers, why I think the trailers are beautiful art is the trailers are literally made for us to not see. And the entire point of this movie is we don't want to see this shit. We don't want to know the problems we're causing. We don't want to acknowledge that we're the problem. I'm going to Ireland in a week and a couple days. I have not ordered things yet. I'm going to be buying $2 shipping on like a jacket because I don't have a fucking waterproof jacket.

I live in L.A. I've got to order a thing. I'm going to get two day shipping. I'm going to be consuming and getting a thing that I'm going to use probably once every five years. It doesn't rain here, but I have to for this two weeks because I am able to go to I. I'm looking forward to consuming and using the evil corporation's ability to ship me in two days while acknowledging the importance of this film. I appreciate the sin eaters that I can blame for the monsters at Amazon that also give me great art in Amazon Prime, which I enjoy the programming from. Well, yeah, it's the web we all live in.

You know, if you really want to live ethically, you're going to be in the woods. Yeah, like I'm having such an interesting time. Like Greg and I talk about this a lot. As I approach middle age, people always used to say like you get more Republican as you get older. I think I just realize everyone's a piece of shit. So I'm not picky anymore. Sure. Like everyone's like Tom Cruise is a Scientologist.

I'm like, yeah, a lot of people are Catholics and Christian and Jewish and all of these cults are crazy to me. So like I'm an equal opportunity hater. Like if you decide to believe in fiction, I'm going to think you're weird, but like I'm not going to choose one weird over the other. So I'm not going to not support Tom Cruise and also support like whatever bullshit you believe because I'm over here like you're all crazy. Sure. So like I'm for whatever. It inspires people toward their best aspirations. I don't think they have best aspirations anymore.

I'm fascinated. There's one element too because this movie is a big theme is the, you know, two day shipping and all the conveniences of the modern world. We also kind of have we force our will, you know. It's like we live in a situation where to us. certain degree, especially when you have enough power, you can just be like, make it, get it done. I heard a thing the other day about like a week or two or something before the iPhone was to be announced at a plastic screen. And Steve Jobs walked in and was like, nah, we got to make this glass. Do it. And they're like, we can't. It's done. It's done. It's done. It's done. Like it's, he's like, no, do it. Make a glass. And even Tom Cruise on this movie, the, the, the makeup. Yeah. Six hour makeup. Yeah. It's like, get it done in an hour. Do yeah. Do it in one. And, and like, it's kind of ironic because so much of what the characters are dealing with is this

ability to accept a reality that exists beyond their will and their power, you know. And so there is a certain element of that that I think we all interact with too. Yeah. And that converses with, you know, the modern conveniences that might be better to give up for the greater good of planet Earth, but also it's such a big thing like, how do you even conceive of all this? And we don't go backwards. You know, we don't go backwards.

I love the whole conversation about like the eco version of things. Like we could eventually get solar. We could eventually get to the point where we use alternate fuels, but no one wants to slow down enough to make that actually happen. So it's never going to happen. The planet will end before we actually change from being based around the shit. We've always done out of habit because we're scaling up so quickly and we're growing so quickly. And people want convenience more than they want safety.

We prove every day more and more we want convenience over safety. We lived through a plague and people were like, I'm not going to do a thing that might help. I don't even know the science, but fuck you. That to me is every dystopian movie. growing up, I watched people united together to take down the evil. And as soon as I started living a taste of it and people just turned on each other, I was like, oh, that's a fucking fiction.

We want convenience over safety and we always will. Humans are not a wise creature. We are limping along and fucking our way to overpopulating in order to survive. We're not doing it smart. We're doing it by numbers. Well, and it's easy to get caught in the day-to-day chain reaction of, you know, they're becoming more and more and more and more and more people with all the means and places are becoming

more and more expensive to live in and resources are becoming more and more expensive and yada, yada. easy to keep people in a situation where they can't really rise above that. Engineered apathy, dude. Digger! I fucking loved it. Digger was really fun. And also it made me think and feel. So, sorry. Yeah. I fucking loved it, man. I had a great ass time. Good cast, too. Yeah, you know, Senator Huler killing it this year. Yeah. I, I, she is in that movie. She's, she's, she's, I liked her before. I was like,

you're here. Yeah. I was like, you're not on screen very much. much, but it's nice to see you. Yeah, yeah. I was happy when she was there. I, uh, yeah. I enjoyed John Goodman, uh, but he is very, very, very broad. So like I had to kind of calibrate. He's so big.

Maybe the most like farcical. And that got much better when I, when the reveal came down the line. I'm really excited for a second viewing for that first wave of John Goodman stuff. Because once I'm like, oh, but there's an actor version of this guy. And I'm now I'm even now I'm intrigued. It's weird because there's also that conversation about like, oh, it's bad on purpose. Like the cat, the animatronic cat looks like super. super obvious on purpose.

And I think there's a difference between being bad on purpose versus employing artifice. Yeah. You know, like some, it's the Brecht thing. It's like sometimes, yeah, you can show the seams because you're using the seams. Like you said with the water. Yeah. Yeah. Not trying to be bad.

Just trying to, yeah, use a different technique that might be noticeable, but purposeful. Yeah. You know, and I think, you know, your level of purpose will vary. But I thought this, this had a lot of like the execution, the, like, wild. aliveness mixed with a little bit of sadness of the execution really met the artistry

they put behind it for me. The colors. I mean it was muted with that sorrow and then splashes a color. Fascinating use of like dopamine dressing. Well you're always in these interiors these like big you're either in these

big estates or in these shitty bunkers and all of them have these like murals of nature. These big old like wall sized some of them have oil rigs but there's that one room that they're in where it's like the Alps it's like the matter horn or something and as the movie goes on it's like it's leaking more and more and it's like rotting and corroding and I loved it yeah like there's just so much fun artistry too like you could talk you could spend an hour on craft alone we should cut off cut off the super chess and stream lives we haven't already ray it's almost two all right yeah we're talking for like an hour on digger I just hit the time I didn't mean to cut you off I just saw the I didn't look down at 143 yet it's okay how we're doing Ray are we okay okay good I'm so sorry sorry It's weird too because yeah once you get like a digger spoiler talk is funny because I'm like you can do more just like nuts and bolts plot shit if you're

Oh not trying to spoil it and then when you are talking about spoilers it becomes like themes yeah comes thematics yeah there's like I mean I can do a A video on Tom's performance in psychology on John Goodman's on fucking you can talk about Gorman what's his name? Oh burn gorman yeah burn gorman yeah like all those things are and then on top of that production design cinematography. Like this movie's got fucking, I hope they teach this shit. Like this is one of those, like I hope film schools go,

we gotta break this down for a semester because it's so special. Yeah. And like oddly fun for how heavy it is. Yeah. There's whimsy to its darkness from the opening sound design. The opening sound design being like bloops

and like wheeze turns into the dripping later that you were just talking about. Like they blend so much to set this up. Yeah. Like it would be easy to leave a movie like this feeling dour. And somehow I didn't, which is nice, you know. I had like fun.

anxiety. Yeah. It was a fun anxious girl. That's a good way to put that. Guys, anxiety, digger. Guys, did you like Digger? Have you seen it? Comment below. Let me know. And as always, if you'd like to see more, click right here to see more. All right,

cool. I pulled these up on my page as well so that I can. But hey, guys, we got super chats. Let's get them. Thank you for chatting with us. I'm going to scroll down to the bottom of them. Oh, Connor Mullis We up on screen, Ray

Thank Ray We got to teach you how to use the soundboard So that you can give yourself a round of applause Yeah, yeah If you turn up You got to put the slider up a little bit And then yeah, let me let me There you go, Ray

We also love the ham horn But anyhow All right, Connor Mullis, there you go New Skin unlocked There it is, now you got to cheer yourself, Ray All right, yeah Everybody give Ray a round of applause. I want to see the little clap emojis.

Yeah, clap emojis in the chat. Digger is good, Bradley Pooper. Yeah. Excited for you to star in the new GI Joe. All right. Connor Mullis, I'm a Bush Light Jedi now. That's good.

Oh, Connor Mullis coming in early. Connor Mullis. All right. I'm surprised. We're just cutting rights at the chase. We're not guessing. No. Bush Light Jedi.

He usually teases a bit. Conner Mullis, man of taste. Not on the dark side. Not drinking a story. stout or a porter. Oh. So, you know. I'm on the,

I'm on the dark side. I mean, I'm a stout man. Bush light is, yeah, no, we love a stout. I do like a red, though. I guess that's on the lighter side.

I love a red as well. I love a sour. Give me a sour. And you can find a good sour. Sour has helped me like beer in the first place. Stephen McReyvy. Yeah, I needed as well,

it was that and like snake bites. Oh, I do love snake bites. Yeah. So, you know, we needed a segue. I see.

We needed a segue before I got into drinking bread. Stephen McGreevy. Thank you for chiming in. And Connor Mullis, I'm trying to think of a Star Wars joke for you before we move on. What kind of Khyber crystal is at the bottom of the can that when you crack it, it makes the Rockies turn blue. I know that's Coors, but either way. Beer, Star Wars, we got there moving on. Stephen McGreevy, thank you for chiming in. Thoughts on Godzilla minus zero being rae.

R not for children. Oh, it's funny. We had, uh, before the big news that a day broke, uh, I made the rundown and I had a Godzilla segment. So this is a good segue. I think it being rated R is awesome because, um, it is a movie about war that gets to lean into the horrors a little stronger. I think it is also an opportunity to do a different Godzilla because of just leaning into

that rating. I think it's an adult take and we've had lots of other takes. So I think, you know, 70 years into Godzilla, we've got a lot of. we've got a lot of Godzilla versus Kong energy. We had Godzilla minus one, which was very somber and heavy. I'm very curious how people receive something even more. But I also, the thing I had in the rundown was they've already screened it. And that is an incredible feat for something that doesn't come out until late November, I think it is.

So they screened it. I might or might not have been amongst the few to see it and might or might not have loved it a lot. and think that the R rating only enhanced an already incredible film and that it has perhaps some of the coolest kaiju fights have ever seen perhaps related to that R rating and that it is a beautiful human story

set in this world like the first one was but with even more depth because you already know these characters perhaps allegedly thank you allegedly John's my lawyer so you got to see Godzilla have sex and say fuck three times he got all three and he got to use one of them in a vulgar way because you know

you can talk you can say fuck but if it implies sexual, yeah. Then it's R-rated. Yeah. Godzilla got to say fuck. During the sex. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which, you know, worth it. Finally, we've been in 70 years. You know, it's time. Sam Levinson's Godzilla. Godzilla's age slower, so he had to

get to the point where he was over 17. 70 and 17, Godzilla can now say fuck. Excellent. Earned it. Excellent. Excellent. NC17. In the next 80 years, Godzilla can drink. I want to, like, I think this is a good precedent, and I feel like we should go darker. We need to go, like,

evil dead. I feel like from what I heard, I need to see evil dead burn, but I have heard we have reached peak levels of how bleak these movies can be. And I don't think we're there yet with Godzilla. I think we need to go more harsh and ugly and traumatic. Film Godzilla minus

positive one. I think the next one is going to be called Godzilla. Right? Minus 1.0. Godzilla. Godzilla minus subtitle. Ooh. Meta. Digger. Digger. That's how we're going to

cap off everything. Yeah, digger. That's Greg clapping with the super chats. We just say digger. We just say digger and that's how you know. I'm excited though. I'm excited for, there we go. Raise on the ones and two. He gets it. I'm excited though. I have had a level of

what's just below concern. Not concern, but like sort of apprehension. Curious apprehension over the fact that this does look a little more bridgey of the gap between legendaries, zillas and you know, Toho Zillas.

It's much more Toho, perhaps. But I am not opposed to putting a dash of that American bombast in, you know, and seeing how those two co-mingle, because I do think that you don't want to just rehash wholesale the first movie. Yeah. So I'm very excited. Don't tell me because I know that Gamera is going to show up. I just know it.

I just know Godzilla versus Gamera is what they have in store for me. Geek Factor. Digger. There you go. Now we're moving on. Digger. Sorry, geek factor. Everyone's Digger now. All right. John, I need an answer. Oh, good. Coy, this one's for you. Okay. Why weren't there any people behind you in your Digger review? What sort of post-apocalyptic scene were you going through?

I'm going to answer this because I'm the expert on John's filming experience. What was it, the Grove? I left the Grove. I had to leave. I actually left the site of the Grove because it was closing. and they don't even keep the farmer's market area. I was going to stroll the farmer's market. Yeah, that'd be a good area. That's copyright free and it's beautiful. And they wouldn't be pumping the music so hard. As John's filming expert, as John during this review,

and for 10 minutes, I embodied John. So I can tell you this answer as John. You know, I was filming my review. There was copyrighted music. And I decided, you know, not only do I want a better mezzan, not only do I want there to be a higher production for Reject Nation, I've decided to go around and cordon off all the entryway points. So John Payne statingly got permits and he, I, I placed stanchings around all of the setup here.

So Digger could make sure that no one entered while I was filming. I also made sure security was at this. There wasn't any sort of ruckus. I was permitted months before. It was actually the highest cost production we've ever done at Reject Nation for an out of the theater review. He also was privately in that screening of Digger. No one else was in there. So all of this was engineered by Paramount as a giant marketing stunt.

Originally, Tom Cruise set to descend from the sky in a final digger stunt. It was going to be amazing. Landing with a shovel into that pose. Yeah. Didn't work out. He was going to a silver surfer ride the shovel down from the sky. It would have changed all of rejectation. But unfortunately scheduling it.

So, you know, it was engineered and you're welcome. But, you know, don't worry. We'll make up for it. He'll come in and, you know, you guys will do an hour long review for digger two. And I'm only going to talk about Thomas Map. for the third. Yeah. Do a do a deep dive into the life of Thomas. I'm gonna just talk about Tom Cruise's

real life, which he loves doing it. Which he definitely does a lot. I genuinely have enjoyed the Tom Cruise press tour about Tom Cruise. It is been fascinating that they're like, can't talk about the movie. Hi, I'm Tom Cruise. Yeah. And him, it charms me. He's like, oh, you know, like, when he talks about, like, show his

favorite movies and like being next to a friend while showing them a movie, I'm like, you can do that as Tom Cruise? Yeah, yeah. Like, do you just chill and have movie nights when you're not like learning how to fly jets. I think that's what else would super normal half the time. I think he's super heightened normal.

Like he probably watches. He's probably cookey a lot, but he's still shoveling popcorn. He's like fucking, you see this? A movie night at Tom Cruise's house. I like that. If it was just the two of you would be...

I want to eat coconut cake. I want to shove popcorn in my face aggressively. I want to talk with a lot of fucking fervor. Yeah. I want to jump on couches with Tom. I feel like it would be the kind of thing you couldn't do every week. Yeah.

Because you need to like charge. charge back up. Yeah. It'd be like when you host something and you're like, that was a lot. But like worth it, always well worth it and exciting.

100%. Called my mom on her birthday forever indebted. He wished my mom a happy birthday on the set of night and day because he is such a personal man. He remembered my mom's birthday. As a comedic genius as well.

Her sister was on the set. I got to hang out with Cameron Diaz's a sister for like a week. She was the coolest shit. But yeah, he remembered my mom's birthday a week later, called her on my phone. Wish her happy birthday.

That's amazing. Angel of a man. Angel of a man. Yeah. Full of a toke. Full of a toque. Digger. Digger.

Yes, that's the answer. The regular answer is way less interesting than that. It just helps me to think when things are quiet and they're not people around and usually these screenings are at night. Yeah. And, you know, I have ideas in my back pocket of where to go where I can be in public that are near the theater that are also places where I can. Sometimes they'll kick you out of places for filming. Yeah. And you've got to be.

That's why the walking thing is something I'm trying, because A, I'm like, maybe this will make it so that my brain is focused on slightly more things and then I can think better than just standing static. But also, sometimes you set up a tripod, especially if you're solo and you set up a tripod and you have a little microphone there, it'll be like, oh, so we do with the growth.

Yeah, sometimes people are cool. Like a lot of times you'll see us upstairs in AMC and they'll just be like, yeah, fine him. But sometimes, yeah, it just helps me to be able to rattle if I'm not like, there are people right here. And it's also a movie that, like, I don't know who cares, but I'm near a movie theater.

There might be people who care. So, yeah, I kind of just, it's just, it helps my process to not. It's, I don't know how there's a real answer. Nobody other than maybe just, yeah, it's the time of night. My answer is more plausible. Yeah, your answer. Yeah, I just needed to throw some fiction on that to hide the scent. Digger.

Connor Mullis is back. Digger. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new. Bush Light Empire. I'm imagining like Corrassant, but fashioned out of cans. Canisant.

Let's see. Which range of beers are we looking at here in the Bush Light family, or is it just Bush Light? I guess it is just Bush Light. I mean, I don't know of other Bush Light's.

Because, yeah, this can is very approachable. I don't know if you all can see this, but you know, it's got this sort of like nice silver blue, very clean. Classic. Yeah. So I feel like, yeah, You know, in various Star Wars lands would lend themselves to the color scheme.

And, I mean, you know, Bush Light, I got to imagine, it's affordable, it's reliable. You know, it's like if you're at a party and there's nothing else. Perfect, you know, shit-grade primer. Trustworthy, baseline. Yeah. It's like a PBR for the shit grade. I apologize. PBR Bushlight.

Whoa. PBR did a Godzilla collab. It was great. It was great. It was great. Yeah. So shouts it. That's cool.

Yeah. Tack Peter, good man. Well, tell him, I said thanks. It's good work. I'll tell him. I will say John Humphrey said things. He'd like him. He's like a trauma guy.

Oh, good. He's got that energy. He's got a pizzazz to him. Nice. Yeah. Toxic Avenger reaction someday. Yeah, with attack Peter. Digger.

The Almighty RA, our resident advisor is here. We're back at the dorm. Or it could be the almighty Riz Ahmed. Oh, Riz Ahmed's talking about Digger. I did do a great performance. He did. Listen in. And I'm happy.

It's gratifying that like, like, again, we'd, I, I assume you don't either. I don't listen to a lot of anything before I've recorded my thing. If I know I have to record a thing. Yeah, I don't want any of that brain. I don't even like listening after. Yeah. It depends on the movie. Yeah, yeah.

And so, yeah, it was just nice to be like, oh, every review I've heard is like specifically mentioned Rizum-S. Oh, good. Yeah, it seems like he is one of the characters everyone can agree on. So good. Yeah, he's lovely. You guys. will you guys resume Dexter soon?

I am pessimistic about it, but I don't know. I hope so. I love watching Dexter. Oh. It's not looking good. Take down means... It's not looking good. We have some of that in the can.

Who knows? Maybe we'll put it on Patreon. I don't know. I don't know. Patreon Dexter. Because I know that the start of season 7 went up and has probably been removed now or... Not on a fault. of trying.

It's been... Efforts were made. It's in copyright hell, and it most likely will not crawl back out. So Andrew and I are never finishing. Dexter. You'll never know how it descends even worse. Because... Because the nature of the beast of all of this is that for now, this is the case.

And then some weird set of bespoke circumstances way down the road will re... We have some things. We have a couple of old things in the can. We just put out like a two year ago, me and Andrew, the abyss. think. Like sometimes we have a... Or no, no, no, Kingdom of Heaven. Yeah, that just went up.

That's what it was. Yeah, and I was like, what the hell? I looked like three different people. That was crazy. And you had to re-recorded the intro, which also looks like different people. Dude, insane. It's insane. Oh, yeah.

You know, Reject Nation, we do what we can here. I don't know if either of us will get to continue watching Dexter. We have not seen the end of season seven. So, I don't... Tune in to find out. Tune in. Digger. Silhouetted Animator. Appreciate you chime in.

for physical media collectors. Coy loves himself some physical media. I do as well. Will Paramount maintain? And will Paramount maintain the Blu-Roy? I'm trying to do it from the better eyeline, but it's not working. Paramount maintain the Blu-ray releases via Warner Archive

that WB has maintained for so long. I hope so. Again, I don't know what their goals are because everything is going to be, you know, it's business. It's going to make money. I hope that they, do more decisions that would benefit the art and the business,

but I don't know how physical media does from a cost versus profit perspective. I know, for example, Sony has a large physical media repertoire that I talk to people at like a department of, right? Like there's a physical media department for example. They invent physical media for us to use. Yeah, like that's their blue ray was their part of their thing. Versus Disney fired everyone that was the physical media department. six months ago. So I have no contact there for like when I'm trying to find out if something's ever going

to come out and report on it or if I'm if I hear something and I want to get a there's no one to talk to. So I don't know which side of things Paramount falls on or if that's going to be a redundancy with Warner Brothers because Warner Brothers does have that great archive. So I'm hoping it maintains. I hope it's profitable enough to keep going. But time will tell. Buy physical media while you can as long as you can because that helps them know it

makes money and also one day it might not exist. Hey man, the Criterion collection still releasing new additions. And the last two years, things have gone up in Blu-ray 4K and vinyl. Hell yeah. Like, it's, there is hope, but it's just case by case. Let's get them laser discs back in the game. Yeah, VHS is currently doing well again, which is crazy. Dude, especially like boutique, uh, the other day, I was looking at a cheddar goblin edition of, uh, Mandy. And I was like, you know, pretty dope. Next time I've got disposable. income and these are provided still available. My wife got me Deadpool Wolverine and VHS. Nice. I have a VHS copy of

Deadpool Wolverine in like a slipcase sealed. It's amazing one day I'm going to watch it. Maybe with my kids in 20 years. I've be on the black rainbow on a clam shell which is you know like a it's made to be of it's like a retro future movie anyway. That's cool. Yeah so that's yeah so like there's a market. It's us weirdos. Every now and again yeah I'll buy either a bespoke VHS of a new movie. They did like these green tapes of the substance. I don't have one of those, but like they did. They were cool.

Or if I'm like an amoeba or something and like I see one of my faves on a VHS tape, sometimes I'm like, you know what? For $2, I will own Ed Wood on VHS. Before the team got let go, the physical media team at Disney slash Fox made Alien Romulus on VHS, like a new pressing. And it's something I'm very proud of voting. Cassette tapes are back to like every. One of the many, and I mean, you know, there's a conversation to be had about like massive variant-based consumerism in the music industry because that's one of the ways the dying music industry can still make some money.

But yeah, like cassette tapes, like colorized cassette tapes are like a big, big thing. I love a transparent 2000s. Oh, yeah. And actually, one of the coolest applications was gorillas did an album called Song Machine and they put out four different tapes coded to each of the different guerrillas members and each of the different guerrillas members and each of the. tapes had a different sequence and it swapped different of the like deluxe tracks in. Oh, that's fun. So each one was kind of its own bespoke playlist. Like the four Beatles movies that were going to figure out how to watch together.

The full beat. When they put them out the same day. They're going to do it like four corners or whatever that movies. Yeah. That's so crazy. Elliot Roberts is going to spend all day. Shouts out. There's a guy who makes Beatles related content for the most part who looks like a beetle himself.

And he's like Australian and I love just, I'm not like big. I'm not a big deal. I'm not a big deal. I'm not a big. I'm invested in the Beatles. Yeah, but I care about the actors playing. But sometimes I'll just like find a creator I like who talks about stuff. So passion.

You just like passion. Yeah. And so, and he's got opinions about the Beatles movies. So I'm like, I'm a big fan of, you know, the Greg Frazier experience. So I'm going to watch four Greg Frazier, uh, DPEED Beatles experiences. Absolutely. And, you know, I like a Sam Mendez here and that. Who is it?

I saw somebody the other day who looked just like George Harrison and people were like, oh, oh, they should have cast him. And now it's escaping me. But, you know, if I remember, I'll let you know. Okay. I'm also dying to see, uh, prime time. Oh my God. It's so good.

I am very, very excited. My second half, I mean, really the fourth quarter of 20, is changing my whole top 20. Like this, the end of the year is in sync. We still got Dune. We still got hunger games. Like, there's so much to come. And recently, like, right now is so much great stuff. Like, it's insane.

I love the idea that it's secret Dracula. You get Digger as secret. political theater personified and then primetime is just secret Dracula. Yeah. Because I don't quite understand what that means. You'll see. Fully. And Tony's in it.

And yeah. Friken, it's great. It's so good, man. Is he really? Tony's in, yeah. Fun. Yeah.

I didn't even know that. Oh yeah. It's- That makes me happy. You know the iconic, you see how this looks, right? That's to Tony. Oh! He's part of history.

He must feel amazing. Other than, you know, the He must feel great. He must feel great. Oh, yeah. Digger. Even T. I hope W.B. keeps, I don't know. Anyway, we're, I feel like the movie business is really in the business of betraying the movie business.

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just saying optimistic as possible. How can we, I'm still back on that thing where they tried to assess potentially sell off the Bugs Bunny in them. Oh yeah. The Looney Tunes. I was going to say the Animaniacs, but they're just included within the Looney Tunes. Anyway, Digger, Ethan T. Hi, gents. Hope you're both well.

So far. John, we've missed you on the live. Much love to you both. I've missed being a... John's steering the ship. It's very nice to be here. I hope I've done an okay job. I'm not used to this chair. He's doing great. But it's, I'm happy about it, and I'm happy that you're happy. Thank you for the love. He's Tangenting. We've had segments. We're doing great.

And, uh, and, you know, we're building a bushlight empire out of here. Digger. Justin Gattacombe. Love that name. Very cool. Hey from new, oh, hey from New Hampshire. New Hampshire. I have heard people love New Hampshire. Last year, parts of New Hampshire. I spent a lot of time with a friend, my, my friend Mallory is from Boston. And I heard so much last year about New Hampshire in particular. People love New Hampshire. It's stunning country. There are also parts that are country, country. Sure. So I like pockets of New Hampshire, but pockets of New Hampshire also feel like deep Alabama.

Sure. It's the redneck of the south in pockets. And then other pockets, it feels like Massachusetts. And I love mass. It's a very interesting state because it's very tall and slim. And then Vermont is like the hippiest place, mostly. There's also pockets there. But like it's New Hampshire and Vermont are kind of one state cut and diagonal.

Fun. And so it's interesting how they're very different tones. Fun. Yeah. I fuck with New England pretty heavy. Someday. I want to do a new tour of New England. Dude,

same way people go all through. One fall, Salem. Got to happen. That's on my life bucket list. It's so got to happen. 100%. I need that.

Like this fall, I didn't even put together that I'm going to be in the north of Ireland in autumn. I'm going to get some leaf peepin in the old country. I am, I'm going to have medieval leaf peepin. There's going to be castles and foliage.

I'm going to lose my fucking mind. Oh yeah. You're going to get like fog on the moors. Yeah. I didn't even plan it that way. It's just the first time I could leave. I'm gonna legit get fog in the boars. You are gonna turn into like a basic white girl Instagram.

Oh God. I'm gonna put on my fucking ugs and I'm gonna have my like PSLs and I'm gonna be fucking just sashay in on my long coat. Hey, girls can tell. Yeah, bitch. They know. They know something we don't. Oh, there's a joy to autumn that I feel and they feel even deeper. Man, I'm excited.

Falls my favorite. I'm an autumn, autumn bitch. I just imagine just a wisp of nutmeg on the wind. That's right. It's not time for Christmas yet. I'm a married man, but I'm a married man. but I would nut on Meg and off. I'll tell you what.

I've got to find a Meg so I can nut it. So I can have a nice nutmeg. It's not Christmas time yet, but come Christmas time, the old Stephen Colbert Christmas special has a delightful number from John Legend about Nutmeg. He sings a tender, love and jam about the best seasoning for your hot cocoa.

And only the best seasoning for your hot cocoa. Respect. No other metaphor. Anyway, this is my first super chat ever. Hey! Thank you for chiming in. Thank you. All the way from New Hampshire.

Going to be in L.A. next week for a wedding. Hey. Any recommendations of things to see, places to go. Would also love to get a drink if it fits in the busy schedule. I mean, that would be sick. I don't know what the schedule is yet. I leave for Ireland soon. So I'm a little slammed.

I'd love to meet someone from New Hampshire. But I'm literally, I'm batch filming. to Justin to be the welcoming. That's true. That's true. To the tax-free, live-free or die state. That's on the license plate. Live-free or die. Live-free or die hard.

But yeah, I'm boogieing on out of here. But I would recommend you go to Meltdown Comic. Not Meltdown Comics, that's closed. Golden Apple Comics. Yeah, I remember Meltdown. Go to Toy Tie before you can't. Yes, Toy Tye's great. Go to Chili Johns.

House's Secrets is my go-to comic shop as well. Salsa and Beer is my favorite Mexican place on the planet. It's Fah and Hall. Hollywood is pretty dope. What else? What I recommend? What's very L.A. Runyon Canyon.

Tree people is awesome. Tree people is lovely. If you want a more remote chill. Yeah. More local L.A. Hill hiking experience that is less like

everyone's fucking there. And it's the hit place to go be in nature. Go be seen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Three people. Go be in nature.

Well, on tree people actually right across the road, there is a lovely like lake. Like there's like a little crystal lake. Yeah. There's a lot of really cool nature if you're into that stuff. Yeah. If you're in town, I mean, you're also here during Halloween season.

So I mean, Burbank in general. Burbank in general, Tulika Lake in general. We're not at peak mass yet, but they are starting to trickle out and you get a lot of cool displays. Next week, you should be pretty. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like we'll get the clown house and some of the other things. Yeah.

Universal, you know, obviously you've got like Knots and Universal and and all the different haunts going. Burbank's got three AMCs all within a walk to each other. You also have the Vista and the new Bev. the new art. Chinese Gromans. Yeah, a bunch of... We have more of like our chain theaters now doing revival screenings, but if you want to go, like, the Chinese, that's where I saw The Odyssey.

Cool. And, you know, I initially, I was like, oh, it's not universal. But when I got there, I was like, oh, my God, this is actually great because it's the full-scale I-Mex. But also, you're in this gorgeous movie palace. It is a classic movie palace. Like, I like the Egyptian, but once you go inside the Egyptian, it's a nice theater. The Chinese has, like...

like the adornments and the ornate like molding and the crazy ceiling and all that stuff. Santa Monica Pier. Yeah, Pierre. Yeah, Peer is great. You know, crowded or Venice if you want to go. Venice.

I like Venice more. If you want to get a little more like, it's like, live more. The way people say like if you want authentic like ethnic food for lack of a better blanket term, go to a place that has a bee. Like that's our beach version of that.

Venice. There's the first skate bowl. Like there's a beautiful skater. Like Venice is my dream. Yeah. They're doing more stuff at the, the local equestrian center. They're having like events and like vibey things around.

I mean, obviously you can do like the real touristy shit. Like you can go to the wax museum or the Ripley's. Oh yeah. There's all that stuff too. Muso and Frank is like a classic or like Bordner's or yeah. The frolic room or like classic, you know, dive bars of Hollywood. Viper room still exists fairly. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, you got also your club row of whiskey and and yeah, Vipar room or the rainbow room or the Roxy. There's a great, like an indie haunted house called Rain of Terror in Thousand Oaks, which is a little bit. Doory, you got to sign a death waiver. Oh, yeah, if you want to get manhandled.

Yeah. That's a lot of stuff. I've got to be Griffith Park Observatory. The neon museum is very cool. Pretty cool. The Lucas Museum is my favorite museum maybe ever. Just open. Or the Lucas Museum I want to get to that's in San Diego, right?

No, no. Is it in L.A.? Is it L. Wilshire, dude? What? Yeah. I've gone three times. I thought it was like far away.

I thought it was like in the Bay or something. Oh. It was supposed to open in San Francisco. They said no, like the fools. Three times, dude. Ben, it's right there. Full of a two. Full of a two.

I gotta go. There you go. That's where we'll have a drink. That was a month of stuff for you to do. You're welcome. The Academy Museum as well is very cool. I was there last night for Pan's Labroth. Yeah.

Hell yeah. I was Guillermo del Toro and Doug Jones talking Pan's labrador. That was awesome. That was a fucking Giamo Dorado. Hey. Pachino was there. No, Robert De Niro's like a brat of me. It's a dark fantasy.

It's a lot of spooky season. I'm going to fuck this season. Yeah. We're doing to me. Yeah. We're talking about it. Chronos. Honestly.

Older shit people to reference from my filmography very much. I produced the orphan. Anyway. Okay. There's a potential. That'll let us talk Spider-Man a little bit. All right.

I will let you like hold. I can leave the room. Yeah, let me know. Let me. The Academy Museum in closing has their like spooky season, I think, exhibits up, but they also have a bunch of screenings

throughout the month of like cool you know, older spooky movies and stuff. The Old Town Music Hall as well. If you want to get the Whirlitzer experience, there's a lot of cool picture houses, a lot of cool museums. I'm going to have you close your ears. Because I'm going to read this.

And it's not a huge spoiler. The Museum of Jurassic Technology. Amoeba. Okay, don't listen. Run out. I'm going to do this. All right. Okay.

La la la la. Did you notice an encore, banners, screens, Glit before Doom takes him just like B&D, Spidey Tracker, before Spitey's off planet, Doom, take Peter. I did notice that.

I think there will be an element of the magic meat science and technology that causes things to glitch that doom is going to occur. I do think that is setting up secret wars more than it's setting up Dooms Day, but I do think that's obviously going to be a factor in both. But I definitely think that's not a coincidence. The glitching and the light stuff is going to be a factor in setting up what Doom does is technology in the coming films. Okay, you're safe. Good. I've lived several lifetimes in the past 45 seconds. I've just replayed all of Digger.

I watched all of Digger. A few times. So good. And I transcended. So good. I transcended. I went to live in that stock room full of the fake foods. You were in the back rooms. I was in the back rooms.

Watching Digger. I want to see the back rooms. I want to go to the back rooms and watch Digger in the back rooms. On VHS. And then eventually go inside the screen so that I can leave that theater. Go down the dystopian block and go watch that Gregor Rocky movie because I'm like, I should check out some Gregor Rocky movies. Yeah, he's been making stuff.

I would like his shit maybe. Mysterious skin fucked me up. I want to see that. That one I saw like young and it was like, I wanted to see. Because I was watching every Joseph Gordon. movie and he's in it and like I was expected just like on the poster yeah oh is it is it's it's it's it's the other side of

prime time cool like prime time is a is a look at the man taking down monsters this is looking at the consequences of monsters okay it's it's heavy fascinating it's good it's heavy all right all right interesting all right I want your sex does not look as heavy no no no no no no All right

Digger, Coy Eleazar Santiago Oh, nice name Coy, congratulations on your wedding Hey, thanks watching you for so long I'm just so happy to see you enjoying life

And being loved Aw Hashtag fatherhood is amazing, wink, wink You know what? I'm going to Ireland And that's my last obligation Without kids So we expect some little coys in the future

It's gonna be, it's got I'm like really excited to not give a shit about anything but my children. I've reached the point where I'm like, okay, I've done the career, I've done the, uh, working my ass off. I've done the, I want to like love something more than myself. So I'm excited to be a bad. I've heard that that really does unlock a thing. I'm such an arsist and egoist that I'm really excited to like genuinely.

Ongay is the first person I've ever loved more than me. And it's, uh, it's so interesting to feel the shift. Thanks, Coy. I know. I'm John. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But actually, uh, Spidey Cat was really interesting.

because I'm exchanging a record for you. That's profound love. Spidey Cat changed my life in the understanding of what I could endure and how much I could love something. Like, I never love something so completely and wholly. And when he passed away, I didn't think I could ever be there. I didn't think I'd be able to be in the room. I didn't think I'd be able to handle it. And knowing I wanted every second with him, I could and knowing that, like, I would have to survive this

because I wanted him to know I was there and comfort him. And like, that changed who I was fundamentally. and then how I've been after Spidey has changed me fundamentally. And so meeting Anya and then losing Spidey within three years, I'm such a different person than I was. And then knowing that there'll be something that is created from the person I love more than myself and the second person I love most me, making like a thing to take care of like I did with Spidey Cat.

I can't imagine anything will matter at all. Like I can't imagine like anything. Like I could get an Oscar and be like, I gotta get home my kids. Like, I just don't think if the way I feel about Anya is an inkling and the way I feel about Spidey is an inkling of what this could feel like, nothing's going to matter. I'm so excited. Something of us fundamentally, you know, will be even greater than. Yeah, I can't even fathom what.

So like I already feel very, oh, what's important to me right now? And that's going to be like everything. I'm so excited. Dude, you're going to make a great Reed Richards. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absent-minded professor dad. But yeah, I'm very excited.

No, you're really a cool dad. It's going to be fun. And all the shit I love is like such a thing I can imbue. And I love storytelling and passing on philosophy and concepts. That's going to be a whole jam. Your kid's going to be buff and fun. It's going to be the bell. Oh, yeah, dude.

I've been training like, I want a little cold weather's come out, crop top and all. I like your, I like your Greek ideal thing. I'm like, Koi is one of those guys who I'm like, you work your body, you work your mind, you work your spirits. 100%. Like that kid, I want to. In your own atheist way, you work your spirit. Yeah. I want them versatile.

Well, because I like the idea of it being about spirituality and the broad ideas than it is any singular someone made up concept. Like I don't like the idea that someone ever decided what something was and for me to follow it. That's what I don't get. So that kid will certainly not have that. So yeah, I'm really excited to like celebrate a new life with new concepts and ideas and then learn from them down the line.

That's going to be fucking awesome. But yeah, I'm excited to be a dad. Digger. Digger. And that's what we name your kid. Digger genre. Obviously. Digger genre is actually kind of sick.

That'd be crazy. I will not be married long. I'm team diggers. No, I think Anya will be on board. I think she'll like this. We already have three names. I'll tell you what. Coriander genre.

We've got three that are... Oh, I heard about this. Yeah. Oh, yeah, my birthday, we're talking about it. You already know the three names. I heard about this. I signed off. I think like 10 people know these names.

They met my seal of a purple. Okay, good. Good. It's not seal. All right. It's not see. It's, it's, do you know... Kiss from the rose of the gray.

Debonatized. A song is actually about making out during the Leon Neeson film, the gray. Oh. So kiss from a rose. I thought I was like, Jake Gyllenol and Henry Cavill being in the gray. Oh, sure.

Guy too. Guy Richie. Slop on. Coe rides for Guy Richie. I do. Ride a doc. I fucking love that movie. I do love Guy Richie.

You're Guy Ritchie. He's fucking top five directors for me. I fucks a guy Ritchie heavy. Hey, man. He's so good. You almost always, even when he's doing like a corporate, even in an Aladdin, there are moments. There are moments.

Those are my bottom barrel, but there are moments, but he also then goes and makes like five gangster films to compensate. I just want to meet the person who's like, okay, so my top five, Richie's number five. is like lockstock okay and the number four rock and rolla for some re i'm just i haven't seen the with aladdin yeah and then yeah like uh something else the gentleman snatch and the number one aladdin i think the gentleman de thrown snatch for me this year really i rewatched the gentleman

i was like i think that's my favorite guy richie over snatch it is a fun-ass movie they both are like yeah they're both incredible but like the gentleman made me want to like change like snatch made me want to be brad pit like every brad pit movie does but uh the gentleman was like i see wardrobe differently I see how you carry yourself differently. It was one of those movies that like changed how I perceive day to day life more than just wanting to like copy someone. One of my favorite Colin Farrells. Oh my God. And he's playing like Coach Kavanaugh practically.

Oh, so good. So good. All right. Alan Smithy. Wait. No. Connor Mullis. My bad.

But Alan Smithy. All right. Connor Mullis, digger. My favorite corn movie is Field of Dreams. All right. All right. What's everyone's favorite corn movie? Comment.

music video to blind? Top ten I Googled best corn movies. Field of Dreams does come up as number one. Okay. Obviously. However, there is an actual article that was not just the generated Google thing

that now I'm seeing and I'm thinking that the Google thing is just borrowing from this article. But top ten films featuring corn is a key plot element. Amazing. It's the name of the children of the corn, yeah. My top 12 Movie corn This is a good

This is a good Hold on What do they put? Wild Wild West This person has For movie corn Pocontas Oh yeah

Oh that's funny Cloudy with a chance Of meatballs You're about to be crushed By giant corn Apparently Oklahoma The musical

Corn That would make some sense Troll too has corn I did not know Okay That might be a good one I mean Twister That's an iconic

movie with corn Corn fields. Interstellar is a corn movie. Oh, it is. Isn't that all they have left? Yeah, and that's the foundation of survival. And like your body doesn't really process corn, does it? No, well.

That's bad for the people of earth in that movie. We're not doing well. Apparently secondhand lions with Haley, Joel Osment, corn movie. All right, all right. Field of Dreams. Field Dreams are five on this person's list. On S.G. On glitput.com.

Anyway, witness with freaking Harrison Ford John Book Corn movie Let me see it Hey shouts out to witness It's been a minute since I've seen it But it's pretty good

Signs Corn movie And Disclosure Day Corn movie Because we saw some corn circles Crop Circles War games Cored movie apparently

And Big with Tom Hanks Cored movie There's also clown in a corn field From last year I'm gonna go Willie Wonkin And Chocolate Factor For High Fructose Corn syrup

loophole. There it is. There's the corn movie. That's right. I love it. There we are. I love to see it. All right.

Yeah. You heard it here first. Guys, did anybody leave a corn movie? Corn, comma, got the life. Great one. Great one. Good music video. Excellent work.

Oh, I'm so happy. That's all I needed. Jonathan Davis biopic when? Yeah. Somebody said, corn makes movies? Yeah. Yeah. Fred Durst was the first, and now Jonathan Davis will follow.

Digger, Alan Smithy. Thank you for chiming in, buddy. It's good to see you, good to hear from you. Love seeing John and Coy's smiling faces on this beautiful Friday. Don't worry, guys. I have Paramount and WB's nitrate film collection down the hall from my office. Oh, yeah. We're preserving their history, whether they like it or not.

That's what I like to hear, Alan Smithy. especially from a person who's you know nom de key is the name you put on movies you don't want people to remember yeah but that makes me so happy keep up the good work and I like to I never want to actually see what your office looks like no no imagine you in some kind of like room full of cranks and just like knobs you got to turn and then just down the hall is just like a big

like Scrooge McDuck style warehouse room. This has got mountains and mountains of unspooled celluloid. I like this for him. Yeah, I like that for you. I went to, I got to go in the Arrow

projection booth the other day. Oh, fun. And it was cool to smell like the film stock again. Like I put my nose right on the film and it was like, because I used to, I was a projectionist once.

Sure. I was one of the last people learned how to lace a movie and I laced the two towers. Sure. Because I'm old. And the smell of a film tin is so like, oh yeah.

So one of one. It's bad for you. but I took a photography, like a film photography class in college and them developing room chemicals, those dark room chemicals. It smells so good. Yeah,

it's good shit. Poppin chemicals, kids. Oh. And if you, to the previous question, you can go tour Doc Brown's house. If you're an architecture nerd,

oh, I went there with my birthday. You can go to Pasadena and go to the Gamblo's. Yeah, I went on my birthday. I did the tour. On my birthday. Oh shit.

Yeah, it was a Sunday afternoon with my family. Or not on the day of, but like, Yeah, like for my birthday, I'm a little family thing. Like, my fan and I went to take the tour. I did Huntington Gardens for the first time and I did Gamble House. Go visit the Huntington Gardens.

Or Descanso Gardens. They got their freaking Halloween stuff on. Both great. Public Gardens, beautiful. I remember you saying you've been more of a public gardens guy. Yeah, I really love a garden. We have an arboretum in Los Angeles. I haven't.

I haven't been either. You know, right? Maybe we are baritam. Get you your nature. But yeah, I love the film chemicals. I got to go to the Alex Theater with my pops to see Mystery Science. Theater, the movie. Oh.

And the Alex Theater in Glendale had their, they put in a 70-mill projector for The Odyssey. And that is, it's not like as extremely ornate as like a Chinese, but it is like an old movie palace. That's cool. And it's got a balcony and stuff. And actually, it wasn't on for mystery science because it's not a 70-millimeter movie. But we were able to walk downstairs. And one of the guys who was like, I think it was like a manager or something that was hanging around. He noticed my dad and I ogling the IMAX projector.

And he turned the lights on in there. And it's right in the lobby. So you can peer through the windows and you could see they had the big ass spool of film underneath that like flexible cover thing on top of a giant, you know, platter. Get the dust off. Yeah. And they had two projectors with, you can see these giant air conditioning HVAC tubes. Yeah. Just pumped right into the top of these fucking giant projectors.

And when they melt, it's over. And that's the film itself. Highly flammable. Yeah. No, it's crazy if you think about it. Very cool. Yeah. Very cool.

So in an age where we're always losing physical, it's nice to be like, oh man, you guys threw down for 70. Go celebrate it. And like Digger, call Adam Halvick, like I said. I don't know how VistaVision and IMAX work together. And our screening, I think I was just in a Dolby screen, but it seemed like it had the squareness. Yeah, I saw it in IMAX and it was square. But it makes me happy that more and more people are investing in IMAX and 70 because that's the shit that I think will keep theaters. The uniqueness, you don't have that at home.

Yeah. And like, seeing the Odyssey, I'm like, yeah, I can. watch this at home, but like a movie like this or like the Dark Nighter Inception or any other movie that employs IMAX that way is like built-in reason to exhibit it again once and a while. So, you know, good for them. Even though the Alex is not full frame, but it's still 70s, so you still get that extra detail. Digger, silhouetted animator, appreciate you. The eventual one mono-holywood studio once each film studio buys and owns each other is just called Hollywood.

Hollywood. And then the base marketing is just the sign. Yeah. They just use the sign. That's the logo. They do the Dark Revo and they just put the Hollywood studio headquarters inside the top of that mountain. Beautiful mountain. It's great for you.

You can put a little door inside one of the L's. Hollywood. Yeah. Everyone wants the artist. It's all just movies about making movies. Yep, the dog. I like the artist. People don't like it.

I haven't seen it. I remember that one was like, everyone talked about it. And I was like, I want one that I don't just follow the herd. I remember I like contrarianly didn't watch it because everyone was like Oscar Oscar. And I was like, not this year. One day I'll watch it once it's not popular anymore. I have no, I don't think it's popular now. It's time to watch the artist.

It was on TV the other day. And I was like, is that John Dugardin? This is an old silent? No, this is not an old silent movie. This is the artist. Oh my God, that's right. The artist. For a year, this was like the movie.

Maybe now's the time. Everyone was like, oh my God, they did a real silent movie. And I completely forgot. Yeah. Maybe it's time. But it is a very lovely movie. If you like a silent, it's very joyous. Okay.

As I recall. But yes, thank you, Silhouetted Animator. And I think you should be the head of Hollywood Studio. Not to be confused with Hollywood Studios. A digger. Connor Mullis. Gregory must be scared. of me. Such a silly goose.

You know? So scared he ran across the country. Yeah, he's hiding out on the East Coast from Connor Mollis in particular. Yeah. And from having to talk about Digger. And Bush Light. He doesn't, yeah. Yeah. He's setting up a Natty Light Empire over there. Gregory. Or Natty Ice. No, he's setting up a vodka cranberry. Yes.

They probably have a pre-mixed vodka cranberry in a can, like a cut water or something now. That's the empire. That's definitely his Fort-A. That's Greg's Jedi Temple. Yeah. He's making a Degobobon. I have departed Tourette's whenever you go. I can't not.

Just look them in the eye and ask me this time every time. And I, every time with Greg and a drink, I just, it has to happen. Yeah. It's funny. Somebody said that to me before I had seen the departed and I saw the

part of the, yeah, I was like, what a weird thing to aggressively say at me. I'm not drinking today. So what else did they have? Yeah. But then.

Digger. Spitey Sensee 72. John. I can't beat Sabretooth in this Wolverine. game. How the hell did you and Aaron beat him? Anyways, have a great weekend and Coy, enjoy your honeymoon with Mrs. Ongro. Thank you. I'm so excited. Somebody pointed out to me that you're the Irishest guy with the Frenchest name. Yeah, my both my names look hella French and it's so

funny because Aungie, Jondro looks even more French. That is, yeah. So we, you see the two of us on paper. From France French. Yeah, like you see the two of us in paper like this French couple are going to come in like, oh, and then it's like not that at all. You should just dress French. You should dress like a mime for fun. Ooh. Like appropriate everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The most stereotypical little beret. Fucking striped shirt and the black pants. Yeah. The little white gloves. Fucking boating down on my little fucking. A boat and down on a bicycle. Eating a baguette. Yeah.

And you've got a grocery bag with a baguette sticking. We watch Taken, Greg and I. And there's a scene where, oh God, they're in France. Yeah. And somebody's got groceries. I think this was taken. He's in France and he's got groceries or something. And it is like the Frenchest groceries possible.

He's got like two baguettes and like a sprig of something green and like a wine bottle. And then you're like there's got to be some brie underneath all that. Oh, you know. It's implied brie. I was like, Jesus. I went to Portos the other day and I left to the baguette like as they were getting. Like I bought my thing, but I was the last ones.

They had like food to give away. They were like in that window. Like please take our baked goods for half a giant baguette and a giant loaf of something else. and I felt so French, like baguette on my shoulder and, like, loaf under here. And I was like, oh. Makes you want to go out and in the streets and, like, break it and half it.

Just throw it to a kid. Just throw it to an urchin on the street. Yeah. Go, live your life. And just that really weird song and Little Mermaid in my head, like, Les Poisson, Le Poisson, which is just the fish, the fish, and laughing.

That song is literally just saying, The Fish, the Fish, and laughing at yourself, saying the fish. It's my favorite French song. That's a good stoner movie. Les Poissons, Les Poissons, Les Poisson. He, he, he, oh,

that is a, that's how French Anya and I sound. We got to put another song in this thing before the movie is done being produced quick. What do you got? The fish, the fish. Ha, ha, ha.

Le Poisson. All right. Next one, baguette song. Digger. Christian unpronounceable. Everything's better. Down where it's wetter.

You got a parry. You got a parry. I don't know. In Wolverine, you're probably hitting square a lot. You're probably dodging here and there and you're probably trying to parry. You know, unlock your entire skill tree.

That'll give you a big boost. Add as many of those DNA enhancements as you can. That'll give you a big boost. You're going to do a lot of square mashing. You know, learn some cool combos and get real patient because them boss battles in Wolverine have a particular way about them. And they're, I feel like we didn't even go. I feel like when you and I played Spider-Man, we were on like a pretty normal.

And I think we've learned in these gaming videos to kind of like go a notch below so that you get stuck for too long. Because that's not fun for anybody. But the boss battles in the Wolverine game, like they do, they are consuming. Greg and I played, um, what's that other one? Tokum.

Was that the one? Hocum. Hocum? With Adam Scott. No, it's a game. Marvel Tokum. Tocon. You can't unlock that Wolverine in Wolverine.

Oh, that's cool. But you can't swap his claws out because I don't think that the animation styles will work together. Tokon was like so easy. We were like, do we up the difficulty until the boss battle? And then the boss battle was like, double the time of everything else.

Yeah. In Wolverine, they overwhelm you with like, okay, here's a bunch of baseline bad guy and then kind of like in Spider-Man, it's like, and then here's a couple of elevated bad guy.

And then here's a couple of very annoying elevated bad guy. And then you'll get a boss battle that you'll spend a century just wearing him down, wearing them down. And you're getting worn down. And then you get a cut scene

so that if you die this time, you'll still have worn down one third of the way. That's nice of them. But yeah, I don't know, just keep hitting them and parrying and hitting them and parry.

It was a hard fight though. I remember that being a hard fight. Christian Digger, unpronounceable. Idea for an indie film. Coy. Get your Palm Pilot out. Plato's the Cave. Almost the entire movie takes place

while looking at Shadows on a wall. I think as much as this is a rip-off of my 11D-12 Angry Men Idea. Which I arrived at independently, despite Plato's the Cave, having existed for hundreds, nine, thousands of years. Thousands? A thousand.

When was Plato? I don't remember. BC, AD, who knows? Wasn't since 1900. Google. When was Plato? 428, 427 BC-ish to 348-38-3-48-3-40. I like that they have it narrowed down to it could be one of these two years or one of these two other years.

Yeah, but from like you. Anyway. Anywho, yes, I like this actually. Honestly, so many things have done the allegory of the cave. I think it would be interesting if somebody tried it. Yeah. I do like the allegory quite a bit. And, I mean, there are a lot of really beautiful, like, there are some old movies that employ shadow and puppetry and also paper cut out that you could do that with that are pretty cool.

So I think as kind of broad as this proposition is, it could work. A claymation, Germel D'Otoros, Plato's the clave. There you go. The clave. The clave. It's a remix. The clave. The clave.

And there's a different, yeah. Not only do you realize the shit on the wall you've been seeing isn't actually real, but someone's been moving you like one frame at a time. That's what I was saying. Like the claymation would, yeah. And then we turn the camera around and we do the claymation. We do the claymation movie facing the animators. So you get this weird ass God's time lapse in the background as like the characters do normal shit.

You know? Guys, that's actually great. That would be kind of cool. Let's make that. All right. Travis Knight. Get, get my number. number, Digger, Jacob Beach.

Thank you for chiming in. Appreciate you very much. Hey, fellas, John, this one for you, Coy. As you know, Resident Evil 2 and 3 are basically set at the same time. You guys should absolutely play Resident Evil 3 next. Hey, I would love that. It's much more of an action-focused. It's much more action-focused, which Tara will love.

P.S., fuck mergers, fuck monopolies. except the game monopoly. They specify it's particularly. It seems like there are a lot of board game companies, but I could be wrong. Maybe it's just the two companies making big board game. Yeah, fuck a monopoly, but I mean,

there are a lot of moving parts that go into these considerations. I would love to play Resident Evil 3. Nemesis is iconic. I remember the OG game and would love to see what they did with that. I wouldn't say that it could never happen. I don't know if we might be doing Leon

oriented stuff first and then going back for RE3 or what. I know there's also a Claire, a whole kind of other game that you get from Resident Evil too if you choose to play as Claire, which I think they kind of, I mean, I feel like we might have played as Leon anyway, but they, I know ran through the character selection. I cannot speak to what will happen here,

but I can tell you that I love Resident Evil. Any Resident Evil they want me to play, I will play. Because like, that's, I've already been like, man, I might have to get a new gen console because there's Silent Hill 2 remake and how these amazing looking Resident Evil remakes. Resident Evil remakes.

Yeah, and like they, I mean, nothing for me has risen above the GameCube remake of the first game. It's just like such a, but three is like a blast. I mean, yeah, I would love to play it. So who knows, we'll see. It would be nice. You never know.

Keep commenting it. The more you comment it, the more it could happen. Christian, I mean, Captain Digger Fernandez. Tom King will not be returning for season two of lanterns and only one returning writer thoughts the returning writer

Dana Pussus two and three were both amazing Tom King is doing he's show running and writing his adaptation of his own Mr. Miracle so I assume it was because they're trying to get

these shows out not once every five years so I think it's just timing but I don't know I honestly like I I don't have the machinations of the scheduling but I know

Cantwell who's a great comic writers on the writing team she's returning And then, like, I'm not worried because of how good the first season was. And I didn't know any of those writers by name except for Tom King. But I don't know what's going on behind the scenes for Lantern Season 2. I'm just excited.

We're getting a Lantern Season 2. So I'm going to wait until I hear more about it. But I'm excited as fuck. And the season finale is a Sunday very excited. Hey, hell yeah. I am excited as well. Big, big things popping. I'm very happy with DC you right now with this going into,

I mean, the guerrilla garage stuff has me excited, but man, it's more the more I hear about the more I'm fucking jazzed. So yeah. That's funny too. I'm a curious to see how the conversation shifts because people have been like, oh, we're doing this Jimmy Olson show with freaking Skylarzzo. Like, what are we doing here? Everybody said that about lanterns and now it's like the number

one rated comic book show. Well, and Skyler seems to be having a moment. Like, it was funny. I watched the podcast, the A-24 podcast between him and Austin Abrams. Yeah. And I was like, oh yeah, Austin Abrams is in so much stuff right now. Whaleful. And I wasn't as aware. Like I have enjoyed Skylar Gizondo since Syke.

So, you know, shouts out. But then post listening to that, I was like, oh, shit, he's having a moment now too. And like the number one thing I have heard out of the prime time. Prime time. Yeah, he's so good. You know, he's so good. He is Jimmy Olson, like, printed out. Like he's Ryan Reynolds, Downey Jr. level casting.

So, like, I cannot wait for long form guerrilla. I mean, I am actually excited about that. Jimmy Olson comic is where Darkside was introduced. People don't realize how important Jimmy Olson in the comics is. I hope they use the show to introduce Darks. That's where the first Darkside appearance in a Jimmy Olson comic. That's awesome. Justice for Jimmy.

I mean, this is, okay, so Tom King is out, are Lindeloff and, and Monday on it? Okay. I literally, I don't know if the same showrunner, I don't know any of the day. I try to stay removed from D.E. stuff that I would not know until the public knows, so I don't accidentally know anything if I'm reporting on stuff. And this one I've been like as removed as

I can so I don't accidentally. Because I knew season two was happening before it was public, but I was like, la la la, so I don't know anything that'll accidentally. Yeah, because I would so much rather not have the, oh no, I'm so sorry. Wicked smack, boy, wicked smack. And then if I read about it, I can go, oh shit,

I can genuinely be surprised. Yeah, totally. So whenever there's like a big meeting where they start talking about future shit, I'm like la la la la. It's such that, I mean, yeah, if there is some overlap, that would be a good thing. I'm not at a point where I'm still at a point where I'm like, could be exciting to bring in some new voices, though. Yeah, you know, depending. So we'll see. But Lantern's been great, so I hope it continues great.

Yeah, same. Because I've, even despite, like, there are some shows that have like an ugly conversation that comes alongside them. But that has almost not affected my experience of this at all. Yeah, it's been nice. Yeah, lanterns has just been joy. And it's not like I haven't been. exposed to what people are yacking about on the, there are legit complaints. You know who I'm talking about.

The people who just want to like shout about it because they make so much money. And yeah, I'm like, you can't even ruin. Yeah, yeah. I'm loving it so much. Yeah. You know, I know we're eating good over here. Yeah. You know, if you want to stay hungry, you can find some else.

And that's a great point to feel like when something is so good, it's just like noise. Yeah. Well, and too, it was fun talking in some of the earlier episodes because you touched on that thing of like, yeah, this is like a take and it's not like 100% some of the comic stuff and like while you were expressing like some concerns about like the the deeper lore in the greater context you were also like you know I'm loving what this is on its own it's enhancing characters me in the back half that like it's like I like I'm concerned like I like the characters more post this show yeah and stuff like that like again I don't have the same frame of reference but stuff like that kind of sticks out to me too and

I can kind of understand why that might be from my vantage point, too. So that's just, yeah, I've really enjoyed the lanterns moment. Yeah, I will think about this. I think like Wanda Vision where I enjoyed this time. Yeah, absolutely. Digger, CVS, the pharmacy in the chat. Thank them. Thanks, making things convenient.

They did eat Savon. A lot of Cvon. Oh, yeah. A lot of coupons there at CBS. Oh, yeah. Get you your mile long receipt. Real Reject's team is the best channel. and team of people on YouTube.

Thank you so much. I appreciate you. Thanks for all the news and entertainment. Thank you for saying we're the best. That means a lot. Yeah, a lot of teams, a lot of YouTube. We try. We bring a lot of passion.

Yeah. You know, there's a like, you know, as I'm sure in the year of our Lord 2026, y'all are aware, it's a multi-armed beast. We're a content creator of any variety, no matter what level you're on. Yeah. But, you know, I always appreciate just the, the passion. and the gusto that you bring in and the stimulation of conversation I get yeah I like coming in and like it's a job and that's nice to to want to come in and talk to people even today I was like okay I've been alive and while you know there's always that pressure and I'm like okay I got research so that I know things but yeah this is also just like really fun yeah and we want to be the very very best that never was and if I feel like yeah to find them as our test trends are cause to create monopolies is our real test and to get them you know yeah we're gonna we're gonna absorb new rock stars and then we're going to go after media nights.

That's what needs to start happening now. We start merging all the movie YouTube channels. Dan Merlin, John Campia will merge. Yes. We become one. Damn murpia. Damn murpia.

Damn murpia. And then, yeah, heroes rock forged, or we can be the real rockjects. Yes. And then heroes, late to the hero party. Who else can we combine?

Yeah, it's just one giant couch. Yeah. We have like five. giant wide lenses and we splice it together. Yeah. Blind Normies. Yeah. I don't know you too very well. I had like five of them and you're on like eight and I'm sorry audience. We're getting there. I've ran out. We're getting there. I watch it's weird. I watch other kinds of. I don't I don't always watch reactions. But what I do?

What I do? They're like largely to other media. But either way, thank you. That's really kind. And I'm glad that we are bringing you the entertainment and keeping you somewhat informed. Digger. King of the Slammers. John hasn't got to do that in this seat. In so long. I don't know if I've ever gotten to do that in this seat. That's true.

And it's almost Lasanaga Yip season. I know. We're like two months out. That's crazy to me. We saw the first couple minutes. Yeah. It was epic. So good.

On that IMAX. Yeah. I'm really, the trailer played before Digger. And I was like, oh, oh, that's so. Like it felt so far for so long. But now, perfect combo. Play a movie all about sand.

Yeah. ahead of a movie called Digger. Yeah, that's true. That trouble will be really useful. It has heavy parallels to oil drilling. It is a prequel to do. And other things.

It is how we get the Harkinen's. Yeah. They're just proto Harkening. Digger is just a proto Harkening. Guys, if they called Digger, Dune negative one, like Godzilla minus one, like Godzilla minus one. It was called Dunger. Yeah.

Dunger minus one could have been a hit. Oh my God. Guys, the Harkkins is all come. To market your movie. Yeah, we had this. We had it in the bag. Tom Cruise leads to Scars Guard. Sards Guard.

Dude. Cruise Guard. Cruise guard, dude. And now, because now that he's, you know, I don't know what this spells, but now that Cruz is back off the leash, he's back in the cinema streets. Yeah. I'm like, I was thinking just the other day, I was like, okay, well, we got to get Cruz Nolan. Yeah.

We got a cruise, Cruz DeNee. Yeah. Dude, we, Cruz is doing days of thunder. So IP-wise, I'm excited. After that, I want some cruise. Like, I'd love if he does like IP director. IP director. Yeah.

I'm like, you got to. But this made $12. I don't know if we're going to get. I don't think. Christopher Nolan or Deni, Villeneuve. could get it done, I think, because they are, you mentioned in your, in our little conversation about what the topics to talk about today were. And alongside Digger, you did mention like the, the No More movie star. Yeah.

And like this is a movie where like this is a test of Tom Cruise's star power. Yeah. And Inari 2 is like a cinema star. Like that's a kind of a, it's a tricky name because people know Inari 2's name. He's been around a while and he's made some Oscar winners. at least nominees. And so part of your brain understands how that could be a sure bet. And now in the reality, I'm like, I get how this wasn't a sure bet.

But I feel like the remaining two director or Coogler. Yeah. The three directors right now who I think are like the star and can transcend or at least get audiences goodwill enough to be like, go with me on this. Sure. You know, are Nolan DeNey and Ryan Coogler. I'd love any of that. Or may, you know, like there are others that are on the rise. but like, you know,

I want to see a Fincher. Tom Cruise Curry Barker joint would be cool, but he said one. Fincher Cruz, I want to see like a collateral performance from Tom Cruise in a Fincher movie. He might die. 90 takes of that. That level of intensity?

Yeah, okay. Here, riddle me this, Batman. We had a conversation. I'm not going to get too into the specifics because this video will go up soon. But we, obviously Fincher is known for his many takes.

Yes. And the opening of the social network, apparently that seemed like 99-ish takes. Yes. When we hear about that, that's extreme. That's not something I think should be normal. Yes. But my question, I suppose, not to relitigate this, but is that what your scenes in that movie were like?

Is that every scene is getting 90 takes? Yeah. Or are we just hearing about it because like some key scenes? It's a lot of. It's a lot of scenes. Not all of them are in the 90s, but like 30 plus. So I. How does he get anything done?

He films on digital and he films long productions. I, so like three years? I mean like two or not probably like one and a half, but like, but he does dramas. Usually like so that that's a long run. My experience was I got to work with my favorite director, my favorite writer, and it was like 30 takes in. And I realized that I should be the happiest person on the planet for achieving the zeitgeist of favorite writer and favorite director.

And I was not elated. And that was actually one of the things that, like, drifted me out of acting was working on social network. I did not have a big part. I was a glorified extra. I was a day player. I was a very small part. But in the scene, I have to eat a burger. You had 30% of the company.

I, and then they edged you out. Fucking. I wanted to keep the thumb. I'm eating a burger and saying a line. And in doing that, I have to eat this burger over and over again because the camera's actually on me. It's not one of the scenes where you can hold the burger. It's not one of the scenes where, like, you can have it on the frame.

Like, it was actually biting a burger. And so when the day, started, I came hungry because I knew what the scene was. And by halfway through the day, I was like, I can still handle this. It's only a bite. But by the end of the day, the restaurant where you're filming in had closed and the burgers were like getting not quite cold, but by the end of the shoot, it was like cold meat and it was still trying to. And so like just that experience of it was hard to stay like.

And again, this is the silver as lining. I used that. I booked the role. But at the end of the day, I was like, I'm working with my favorite artists right now. and this isn't the greatest day of my life. Maybe this isn't what I thought acting was. Maybe this isn't as glamorous. And it was the repetition that drove my brain crazy.

So I'm actually glad it happened because that's what made me realize I like hosting. Because our conversation will never be the same again. And this conversation, this three hours we just did will inform the next time we talk or the next thing. And the butterfly effect of the reality of this job is what I love about it, which is the antithesis of doing 30 takes of the same thing. You need a director who's a one take guy. I would love to do like if Judd Apatel wasn't a weenie, I'd love like an Apatatow joint, but like to me the experience, just fucking weenie. I would not work with Apatow dude.

He got up killed him. This is a great. But like, to me, the experience of repetition just my brain doesn't like it. I get twitchy. I get uncomfortable. I get weird to my skin. I get kind of like. It's a spiritual claustrophobia.

Yeah, it literally makes me feel like why am I living this moment over and over again? And I start to feel like. And you also as an actor, you're, you're so. secure you're like what am I doing wrong it must be me and it's usually not that's the most interesting thing about finger it's usually not the actor's performance it's usually he wants everything around them to be so perfect and they need to maintain perfection while everything possible and that's why his movies i think are so perfect but when you combine that with sork and dialogue it was just such a high everything was at an 11 and it was for fan and their brain computer is like maxed and we're

talking like a 14 hour day sure so uh yeah that was actually like i'm really glad i had that happen because I was like young so I was able to That's a wake up yeah I was able to realize like maybe because I dreamed to be an actor my whole life So it's good to happen young and I did a few more movies after that but like that was a really big like maybe not and it was cool because in the movie the scene I'm in the scene I'm the email that goes out in that scene I again I'm I'm you won't even see me in the movie I'm not apart like the I had a line which is like in the background But the scene I'm in in real life. I received the email because I had a dot edu out of outside of Boston. So I then had to talk with Sorkin years later at a premiere of like the first lady where I got to tell them that I received the email that in the movie I was part of being around sending. So I got to like have a meta experience of like in the past I received email that I was present for in the matter. Yeah. I'm excited for the social reckoning. Sure. I'm very curious about that. I mean it's the consequences of our reality now. I am fascinated. Yeah. I'm curious as to how it'll fare without the fincher factor, but I am fascinated in general.

Fit your factor. Fit your fact. So yeah. Hell yeah. That's a, that's an experience. It was a thing. Thank you for sharing. Yeah,

thank you. I'm sorry, but also not sorry. I'm so grateful because I got to work with two of my favorite people, like favorite artists. What a place in time to realize. Dude,

right? It was a really beautiful moment because I could have rationalized not wanting to act anymore by, oh, I don't like the writer. I don't like the director. I was literally at the crux of all my dreams and like, maybe not.

Yeah. So I'm so grateful. And I'm honored to have done it and I'm grateful. Hell yeah. all but digger too i'm in got to get coin i'm in got to get coin digger too uh all right digger we said it oh happy days who are there going to be one or two streaming services now are are they going to be one or two streaming services now i honestly think it would probably be best to cram it all into HBO put it all as HBO max how it's doing paramount plus is it's so

people have it I mostly know Paramount Plus as an Amazon extension and so I feel like what might be smart especially in the age of there's way way way too much you're basically doing all a cart cable

all over again now and everyone's always raising their prices I feel like cynically because that's going to continue you'll have a way more valuable library because you're way bigger now but also like why not I don't want the Paramount name to go away necessarily

either because of the history and all that stuff. But at the same time, like Paramount Plus, I feel like it was a later wave. Paramount Plus could go away. Like half these companies, I just want to shut down their proprietary thing anyway. So like, yeah, fucking I. Just you already have like Paramount scares and other labels to do things for your home video media.

Yeah. Just put it on HBO max because HBO isn't called Warner Brothers either. No, it's HBO. That was already a separate. Yeah. On purpose. So yeah. I vote put it all under Max.

feel like it would be weird for them to you can metric like the only reason I can see for keeping them separate is like for some kind of metric purpose yeah but like I mean they are different audiences in some ways like I I only have Paramount Plus because I watch fights on it like I watch UFC on that so it's it's I don't watch the narrative stuff I don't know if the HBO audience

and the fights and that stuff like they also might be different audiences so I don't know but I mean I get some of my like sports stuff through HBO too yeah that's true you know I mean I think that just having more options is in a situation like that with streaming I'm like if you just have a massive library that you might not yeah ever tune in to the fight or to a hockey game but it's on there yeah yeah you could and yeah you've got I don't know I guess zooming out I'm like well you'll have a bunch of movies and shows so like if you're really studying the business you know

that there is a something of a different ethos between the Warner Brothers and a Paramount although now who knows because they let I guess I should have mentioned to the top they let Pam Abdi and Matt DeLuca. And Matt DeLuca go. Is it matter, Mike? DeLuca. DeLuca and Abdi go.

And Mike DeLuca, there you go. Pam Abdi and Mike DeLuca are gone. So we don't know how the taste. And it's weird because like up until recently, up until Digger, I feel like we were having a different conversation about them having like some actual hits this year. 2025 is huge. In the, you know, cinema space.

Yeah. So who knows? It's all up in the air. The taste of a Warner versus a Paramount Pit. could change, could homogenize, who knows, but make them one streaming service, man. Make them one streaming service, hands down. That's the team I'm on. Digger, let us know what you think.

Do you want to pay for more streaming services? ARCA! Thank you for chiming in. Another stream I have to work on. What's new? Anyways, I hope you all don't forget me. Don't blame me if you did. And I hope to be back soon.

Could never forget you. You won't, Arkey. I always kind of pronounce your name a couple different ways. And I know I've done it right once and I know you told me I did. We're going to keep it memorable by playing around and hoping for the best. Sometimes you get a pneumonic device or a confirmation. Something's correct and it helps. And sometimes you get that correction, but then it just makes you go back to like,

okay, so which are all the wrong ones I shouldn't be. That's why I say Alejandro because I can't say honoritu. And nope, see even right now. Got nothing. See, that's one of those things that I have to remind myself to be kind. I don't be kind to people about because I'm, Because I can't probably pronounce it fully correctly. But it's like the most dyslexic name for people.

Yes. It's the, I know it's like once you lock the order of the vowels in, Iniarito. It sounds make believe when you're saying it. I know you're right. A. Iniorito. Yeah. Iniorito.

Yeah. And then we can worry about the accent. Yeah. Iniarito. Those are the vowels. I mean, you emphasize the A. first because that's where the accent is. In Yari, too. But like, and again, this is a white guy's explanation of this Mexican director's name. Yes, Niyari too. I'm apologizing in advance for my

butcher. How am I doing, Ray? Okay, great. We got the Ray approval. Appreciate you. I don't even know what your ethnic background is fully. You're Puerto Rican. Okay. So, I mean, I was... That's closer than us and not how to pronounce it. Spanish-speaking country. Yeah. That's all that's the flavor. It's all I was going for. All right. Thank you, Arka. We will not forget you. appreciate you very much. Digger. Last super chat. Look out.

Do we have stream labs today? Okay. All right. All right. King of the slams. King of the slam is John and Coy. Love you guys.

My birthday is on the eighth. Happy birthday. Happy birthday for Clayface. Can't wait. That's a hell of a birthday gift. I am excited for that Clayface. And I haven't seen a single trailer. I'm almost like,

let me just keep it. I know I've seen a couple of images. Yeah. And I know that this. up my alley. Oh yeah. And so I don't need any other thing. No, that's how I do the Odyssey.

I didn't see a single trailer. I left rooms for the Odyssey because I wanted to. These days I do that as much as I can't. It's funny. We used to do so much trailer reacting. And nowadays, unless we are doing one here, I don't. If I can't avoid a trailer, I do. Yeah.

Except for the only trailer in recent memory, I was like, I gotta fucking watch that was the teaser for Resident Evil. Yeah. The teaser for Resident Evil. I was like, I must. I watch trailers after movies sometimes now to see how it's marketed, but I try to avoid them leading up. Hell yeah.

Oh, while I remember, Alex, if you're paying attention, let me know if I need to not go watch Resident Evil, because we've been playing Terra Roxy and me, and I would be thrilled to join them for the movie. Anyway, King of the Slammers, happy birthday. Love that. And freaking A, Clayface comes out on the 8th. Is it already here?

Clayface is out on the 23rd. Okay. I think the birthday on the 8th, and then they got an edit. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So you're not going to see it on your birthday, but you've been gifted the tickets for your birthday. birthday coming out. All right.

Two weeks later. Five days away from now. I guess six if you count today as a day theoretically. But yeah, hell yeah. Congratulations. Happy birthday. I hope you have many more. And, you know, heck, we'll have another, maybe we might have another stream before then.

So maybe we can wish you double birthday. Here's hoping. Double Dunkirk, we get double birthday. Double Dunkirk. Double to Dunkirk. All right. We've done it. We've scaled Super Chat Mountain, a digger.

we got a couple of stream labs. Guys, thanks for holding it down with us. It's been a madcap day. I'm looking at the chat a little bit here. Lantern Season 2 is officially go. Yes, it is, apparently, because they have different showrunners now, I guess. And writers imply a strong likelihood.

I'm excited to go back and look at the chat. But you have a good one, Kaleesi. Hope you're well. All right. Stream lab time. We got three of them. Let's do it. October the 6th.

second meh, me with a very generous stream lab contribution. Wow, match is coming and swinging with that is not a man. That is not an amet of money. I would, sorry, that is not a contribution I would scoff at or shake a stick at. Not that any of them are all you, I hate, I hate getting into this trap because then you're like, y'all are like contributing in ways you don't have to. Like all of you thank you. Like it's still crazy to me that people care enough to like, like show up, chip a couple shekels into our little, you know, hat to keep the lights running here. So thank you guys for just being generous and for caring enough to spend three hours

with me and Koi, ranting about Digger. Yeah, it's bold. Just showing love says meh. Yeah, meh, what a, what are the light? Beautiful. Nothing meh about any part of this experience. What a great sentiment. Even, even, even, I've been watching too many Medea movies.

Even your name is like kind of interesting because no caps. No? You know, just a vibe. Just vibes. Meh. Sometimes me is good. I'm going to go with a positive meh. Positive meh.

Normalize positive me. Normalize stretching in public. Yeah. Normalize friend naps. Friend naps. Yeah, like in that episode of Friends, where Joey and who Ross fall asleep on the couch together and they're like resting on each other. Literal friend naps.

Yes. Friend nap. Nap at your friend. And also positive me. Meh. Yeah. Like, it's like when Anthony Fantano gives a not bad instead of a not good. Yeah.

I feel like, I mean, not good is not met. It's bad. It's bad. It's a positive? Yeah, I respect it. Like a positive myth. Dan V-900. Oh, sorry, Digger.

Thank you, Matt. Dan V-900. Thank you for chiming in. Good to see you. Read your name. It won't happen. But John and Coy, I must once again ask for a Justice League new frontier reaction following lanterns. Howell is one of the lead.

with his origin being part of the film. It's great. Lucy Lawless is a wonder is Wonder Woman. Kyle McLaughlin is Superman. That's pretty great. Sick. I'm sold already. And NPH's Flash.

Okay. Okay. I like this voice cast. You had me at Kyle McLaughlin, which is pretty laid into your comment, but also, you know, that's still a win. I'm excited for this.

Yeah. I can't, you know, as always, I can't guarantee what will happen or not, but I would love to see it. And I want more Kyle McLaughlin Superman. Yeah, the DC reactions didn't do quite as well as we hoped on their return, but we're hoping we can tie some in maybe in the future to like when releases. But I am boogeying on out of here right after Lantern.

So I'm taking two weeks off. So it'll be a little bit until I'm back and we can film some new stuff. But I'd love to that one down the line. I love that Darwin cook run. Dude, I'm imagining a reality in which Kyle McLaughlin played an on-screen Superman. I feel like it could have kind of maybe been. a thing back in the day. He'd have to bulk the heck of a big, he's a string bean. He's a little skinny man.

Hey, so was Christopher Reeve. But there you go. He was a skinnier guy. See? And they bulked up. There you go. David Lynch is Superman. Yeah. Ooh, I'd be weird. I would love. Brainiacs. I would love it. It'd be from Brainiacs perspective. Sure. Why not? I'd watch that. That would be a very interesting super. In fact, Dune has way too much in it.

Superman has core elements that you can flesh out in a lot of ways. So actually Lynch, revisionist history. David Lynch should have made Kyle McLaughlin Superman. There it is. He heard it here first and only. You know, and this,

these are the things. This is where part of your brain is like, well, now we live in a world where someone will AI that into existence. And I don't know how I would feel because part of me would be very amused and the other part of me would contemplate the grim reality we live in. Any? Yeah. Yeah.

Seth Arp. Oh, Digger. Digger. Thank you. Thank you, Dan V. Appreciate you. Seth Arp. Cherry on top of the day.

Martini. John. This is coy. Back in July, I met my all-time biggest musical hero. Jack White! I believe you're a fan of his. I believe he is. I believe he is.

I am. I saw him play this week. Jack, I am bleh. So curious, what is your favorite Jack White project or album? Also, I know it's been said you're a guitar player, so I was curious, what is your biggest musical inspiration? Who is your biggest musical inspiration? I mean, Jack is one of them.

My, like, guitar, holy Trinity for a while. while was Josh Hami, Jack White, and John 5. Golly, though. I mean, these days, who's my biggest musical inspiration? I mean, Jack White does inspire me a lot because of his multi-hatsmanship and the way that he can do things very complicatedly or very simply. Like, I like the ethos of like, I'll never forget seeing it might get loud in that sequence at the beginning where he's just got like a plank and a Coke bottle and a string

and he's like nailing it together and you're like, what is he doing? And then he puts like a pickup on it and then he plugs it into something. And then he pulls out, you know, a slide and just starts fucking wailing on it. And then a couple of minutes later, you know, he turns it back off again and says, Who says, Who Says you need to buy a guitar? And he just walks off. And I was like, yeah, bro. He's insane.

His mind is just next level. Yeah, man. Biggest musical inspiration is hard to boil down into one thing. And they move, you know, over time. Damon Albarn is a big one. I love gorillas. Gorillas is one of my favorite bands. But I also love how prolific his stuff is across his different projects and the way in which his

stuff and you know through his collaborations like there's so much genre mashing and sort of boundlessness but also kind of a signature quirk and strangeness um you know i kind of rattle for forever uh do you have a favorite jack white project or album because i mean we got rackintors dead weather white stripes obviously i think white stripes is is the only thing above his solo stuff for me i like rack and tours but i like his solo stuff quite a bit white stripes was like the beginning uh that time you and i saw them together they did like everything you you and i saw them together they did like everything It was Jack White, White Stripes, Rock and Tours. Like they dead weather even, yeah, like covers.

Like it was like a three hour Jack White experience. And that's what it was this week. I got to see him again at the Palladium. I got to see him at the Palladium at the show where he had Twin Temple. Fuck yeah. Duop Satan band who kicked off the one tour and he was like, come play with me. So, and they were rad. It was a good duo.

It was a good duo. Yeah. And yeah, it's, it's very hard to choose a favorite of them. Honestly, I think it's funny. Rackintors actually Consolers of the Lone. only is a pretty great front to back. But I mean, yeah, the Jack White stuff I have been really enthralled by. I like the latter Jack White more than the initial.

Same. Like I think he's only got better. I like boarding house reach on. I like boarding house reach. Some people don't. What was the album after that? But Fear of the Dawn. Fear the Dawn is when I got on.

Fear the Dawn is a little. Yeah. That was the year he put out an electric album and an acoustic album. And that was the electric. And that was the electric. Fear of the Dawn is the Electric. Yes. Entering Heaven Alive is the other one.

Okay. Yeah. Fear the Dawn I like. And then I've liked his last three so much. I like. like untitled a lot. No name is great. No name is incredible. I mean, yeah, no name was and the way that

came out with the whole like, I don't know, this just popped up online. People were getting this random unmarked vinyl at third man records. What is this? No name is my favorites of his solo albums and would put it up against a lot of the white stripes, but the white stripes is probably my favorite because it was my introduction. Yeah. And it's such funky

jazz. Yeah. And I mean, it's hard to choose a favorite. I know it's not probably the choice most people I love Icky Thump. Oh, I think my first song I heard of theirs.

And I mean, you know, obviously I feel like elephant or like DeStele like if I'm going classic strikes De Steele is probably my favorite of like the classic stripes albums. But then again,

you got like elephant, which is great. And I mean, Love of the Girls the first I heard. And that's hard to top. Yeah. And I mean, yeah,

white blood cells like it's, it's then you just start going through the whole thing. The one I need to return to and reprocesses is yeah, behind me Satan. Because I think at the time I wasn't ready when it came out for, I was,

I was still in this sort of like, but more distortion. Whereas now I'm more able to appreciate the sort of like, oh, we're doing a bunch of stuff. Yeah. And I do appreciate as he has gone over time to like incorporate more sound play and electronics. Like I think there's, I like intentionally making it complicated and very stripped down Jack, but I also like free. Jack's solo is like freer Jack. That's why I think I like his newer stuff more because it feels like he's not trying to do anything but what he wants. And there's like now that he has his own record label, like there's nothing stopping him.

from doing both on an album. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's like I would say late phase Jack solo or, yeah, after you get the first few out, because I was like, yeah, I like stuff about these, but I'm not like, that was an instance, like kind of like we talked before. I was like, I'm not as like jazzed up. Whereas then, yeah, boarding house reach came. And I was like, what is this?

I think first four white stripes and last three Jack White. Sure. Which is still seven amazing albums. And I don't just like like rock and tours or anything else. I mean, yeah, I like all the raconteur stuff. I think Consolor of the Lonely is my favorite of the three that we have so far. because that album front to back slaps and Carolina drama boy Carolina drama is the last track on that album it's like a story song oh okay I was like I don't know this I thought it was an album I was like

it's it's that song at the end of the album where he tells the story about you know like the preacher and the and you know it's it's just a domestic quarrel of sorts um they played that line oh god so I know Greg loves that song too shouts out um and then dead weather too like that I like all the dead weather stuff in some way shape or form but I feel like that that first album has a lot of bangers on it. Yeah, and a good consistency. The Dead Brother first album is like is near my lower tier white stripes, but that's still very high on the scale of like rock bands. Yeah. I mean, I could I could rattle off people all day because music is my favorite thing. And, uh, and I love a bunch of different stuff. I mean, like lately I've been getting into like Chelsea Wolf and Lingua

Noda and stuff that's like way more harsh and gothic and, and, you know, sort of pivoting between nasty, guttural, uh, you know, harsh heaviness versus like soft almost. hymnal qualities and things like that. But, you know, it's like I love a band like the hives that can do like and not to say there's no range, but they make the hives music. Yeah. And it's great. That's what they need to be doing.

And then I love stuff like guerrillas, which is like all over the map. Yeah. I miss the white zombie guitar sound of the early 2000s, late 90s, like where it was grunge, but it was like hard electric and it wasn't quite metal. Like that was a very specific like guitar zombie sound that I don't hear anymore. I mean, I'm a huge Rob zombie fan in general. and granted, like, his, I like, I love all of his music projects, but there is something about that era.

Yeah. And I mean, the sampling of like horror sounds into the guitar. The first two Rob Zombie albums carry over some of that tone. Yeah. Les Sarsisto and Astrocrepe are two of my favorite albums of all time. And then those lead into hellbilly and into sinister urge in a way that, like, has a, they, you're not losing that guitar tone yet. And then when you get to educated horses, they become more of like a rock fan.

Folk rock. Which I love educating. Horses actually. And that's the first John 5 records. So you're getting a different guitar tone, different approach. And I like his return to the spookies. Last couple albums have been more of the original sound,

but like older. Lunar Eclipse. The second to most recent album is one of the best in a long time. It sounds like almost white zombie. I have it on vinyl and I love that album. From a person who will enjoy any Rob zombie album. I still have like. Oh, there's still hierarchy.

And Lunar Kool-Colid Eclipse is like, like, yeah, that album front to back. I think I can just put that thing on. the like funk breakdowns and him like he's a big inspiration for me in both music and just as like i dream of having what he has had in the past it's harder for him to i think to get movies made now but yeah yeah yeah movie thing do your music thing come over here make some art yeah come over here and help really release some old scores on vinyl and yeah like the fact that he's a good performer like a lot of people that are like a multi-talented aren't as good like there's a flaw he's just everything

yeah yeah so rob zombie is a huge one um i love feist I love the different sounds and interplays across all of her stuff. Asop Rock is one of my favorite rappers just for his like insanely. Some people can do like lyrical, miracle, but in a way where it's like, I know you know what you're talking about. Yeah. You're not just stringing bullshit together. And like that sometimes he can do a very clear, succinct treatise. Yeah.

Like go listen to freaking the first song off of, hang on. There's a song he does about technology, which is fucking amazing, which is like so focused and so specific and so well articulated. And he'll do other stuff that's like, you know, super obtuse. Yeah. Super like strange. Mindful solutionism is that song. Run the jewels. Like I love the kind of crazy, you know, combination of like space age production.

You really got to listen to more rage, man. If you like, I mean, run the jewels and rage feel like evolutions of each other. And not one being later or earlier, just they feel so cyclical to me. Sure. But yeah. Check out. We got a boogie. I got to go. It's 315. Spoon. Britt Daniel, Frank Turner. So many people. I knew if I didn't tell John we had to go. He would do long.

I mean, we never could talk about music. I knew he would take time for each one and there's no way. Now Kid Rock is making a song with Eminem. That's the one. So that's where we're at on the timeline. That's where we're going to navigate that as it comes. Jack White, Frozen Charlotte. Also a fun new album. Go see him live if you can. Coy, thank you for descending into Delirium with me. It's always fun. Thank you for merging. who have been killing it lately idols is so good I've been on the idols kick for a long time soft play idols Vival Vibing wet leg fucking love wet leg little sims um there's a lot little sims is great but we gotta get out of hell yeah we can talk music all day I knew this was a danger

what a dangerous last one yeah all right we appreciate you love you all go watch digger go watch it's fun have fun or don't or don't it's up to you