The Reel Rejects - BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE (2016) IS EPICALLY INTENSE!! MOVIE REVIEW!! Ultimate Edition

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

ZACK SNYDER'S BVS ULTIMATE EDITION!! Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Full Reaction Watch Along:   / thereelrejects   Visit https://huel.com/rejects to get 15% off your order With James... Gunn's SUPERMAN a couple weeks away, Tara Erickson & Andrew Gordon are diving headfirst into the dark and operatic world of the DC Extended Universe with their Reaction, Commentary, Breakdown & Full Spoiler Review of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition) — the 2016 director’s cut from visionary filmmaker Zack Snyder (Justice League, 300). This extended version expands the political intrigue, moral complexity, and character development as Gotham’s vigilante, Batman, clashes with Metropolis’ alien savior, Superman, in a philosophical and physically explosive confrontation that sets the stage for the formation of the Justice League. Famous and highly searched moments include the “Knightmare” sequence, teases of Darkseid, Batman’s brutal warehouse fight, Superman’s Capitol Hill testimony, and the unforgettable line: “Why did you say that name?” The Ultimate Edition also restores key plotlines surrounding Lois Lane (Amy Adams), the Africa incident, and the broader conspiracy against Superman, adding depth and cohesion to Snyder’s ambitious world-building. Join Tara and Andrew as they explore the themes, performances, fan service, and lasting legacy of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition) — one of the most debated and dissected entries in modern superhero cinema. Follow Andrew Gordon on Socials:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MovieSource Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/agor711/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/Agor711 Follow Tara Erickson: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@TaraErickson Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/taraerickson/ Twitter:  https://twitter.com/thetaraerickson Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:38 More on them in just a bit. Batman v. Superman Dawn of Justice. Let's commence in a three, a two, and a one. There was movement. I called it a little bit. Out of the earth. Some will be. I heard it and went,
Starting point is 00:01:05 nope, he's not going away forever. Not on us. I will not have it. I can't remember, Tara, if there's a mid or post credit. Let me just double check really quick. Holy junk. Double check really quick.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Take half a second. That was so. fun so freaking good credit scene and Batman and you know what I actually really liked Ben Affleck I thought he was great no no mid or post credit I didn't think there was so we can actually thanks to Prepper probably edit this down yes thank you thank you so much if you were watching this on YouTube it was because of those fine folks over at Preper they did a fantastic job as always editing it down also if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, make sure you give us five-star ratings.
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Starting point is 00:02:19 All right. Let's check this out. here, Tara. Oh, is this okay? I'm, who knows? Okay. Let's just, not worry about it. Let's just go into questions here.
Starting point is 00:02:32 So our first question is from, I apologize, by the way, if I mispronounce any names, you know me, I'm terrible with saying names in general. So apologies. Sci-fi extremist? Yep.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Okay, from sci-fi extremist, by the way, thank you for being a real re-eject, and for the question. We appreciate it. plenty of negative questions that can be asked. But what are some things you liked about this movie? I think
Starting point is 00:02:57 Affleck, given what kind of Batman he was supposed to be, was fantastic even if I don't like it as the definitive Batman. There was a lot of things I liked. Do you want to start first? No, go ahead. Okay, well, I was going to say I really loved Ben Affleck
Starting point is 00:03:13 in this film again. I'm not the biggest fan of Batman killing people, though I know that kind of centers around an arc in this film for him to get over that towards the end of it, which I understand. But, you know, Batman's seeing his parents murdered in the alley. Like, he makes a vow to never get to a point where he's going to do that. So I'm just personally not the biggest fan, although having said all that, it's just funny. I always say this. And my two favorite Batman's ever are Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck,
Starting point is 00:03:43 the two Batmans who kill. So, but I still think Ben Affleck did a great job. And I love to when he is Bruce Wayne. He plays that playboy Bruce Wayne. You know, way you would need he kind of disguises himself as that especially we get to see that at lex luther's party so and then obviously when he's the real bruce wayne even though he uses bruce wayne as a mask because batman is really who he is but you know the only time he's really bruce wayne is when he's with alfred so i think ben afflick did a great job for what this movie is calling for and yeah i would say ben afflick is batman i really liked i actually like the story in this movie i liked henry cavville a lot as superman i again
Starting point is 00:04:21 I understand they didn't want to go into sorry and I think we can hear me again I understand they didn't want to go into repetitive territory and they wanted to try something different which I always say I appreciate ambition I personally just like the mild-mannered nerdy Clark Kent I think that's just a great way to disguise himself especially because we all complain like hey he's wearing glasses
Starting point is 00:04:45 how can you not tell a Superman when he's mild-mannered and nerdy that's just such a great way to make sure no one looks at him that way and when he just acts that way it's like is he any different than when he's Superman i would have just loved to see henry cavil be allowed to stretch off his acting ability to do that so but i still thought he was fun i love the chemistry between him and amy adams i thought that was great really a strength of the film as well i think the action the hand-to-hand with batman is phenomenal probably a few other things i really enjoyed like i don't have a ton of negative things honestly to say about this film so So, yeah, I would say those are probably a couple that I, things that just stand out for me.
Starting point is 00:05:23 What about you? I'm curious as to why maybe like people didn't like the theatrical cut, because I'm assuming it obviously wasn't this long. But the fact that adding this whatever extra information to make it three hours, it is a long movie. But I still found it really entertaining. They did, they did take time still on the foundation of Bruce Wayne, right? just like from the top we're really starting with that and you're thinking like oh superman's gonna come in right um and i really i i was bugged a little bit by ben affleck's voice i thought that maybe he could just do it like lower just like lower your voice and play batman but whatever
Starting point is 00:06:07 it's fine it only bugged me at the top and then when i could tell that it's ben affleck i liked it um i really like the point of view of thinking about this story that we're going to show it. And when Batman sees the whole alien stuff and Superman in the sky, he's going to think that Superman brought all of this crap to the world, to the city. I think that's a really fun. I don't know if that, obviously, I don't read the comic books. I don't know if that's in the comic books. If it's not, great script move. I really liked all of the fight choreography, but I think my favorite scene was in the first, like, quarter of it. There's that big, long tracking shot.
Starting point is 00:06:53 I called it out. It goes all the way around 360. There's probably at least 25 other people involved in that stunt choreography along with Ben Affleck. Yeah, the nightmare. And, yeah, it's really, really good. You have to rehearse that kind of a thing so many times. and they nailed it.
Starting point is 00:07:14 It was awesome. I love a good oneer, and I think that Snyder is really good at that, but he's also really good at adding the overall, like, ambience and the vibe, meaning it's dark, it's gritty, it's lit with darker orange tones. Nothing is, like, bright.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Everyone has, like, a shadow on them, unless, obviously, we're in the daily planet. Forget about it. All the rest of it, that's some really good. good artwork um which obviously at this level when you're making these kind of films that's the level that you should be at that your gaffers are at that your set deck and set design is at but sometimes i can watch a really big movie and i'm like that could be better the lighting but i have no notes specifically for this i thought it all looked really really good and i'm so glad that i freaking
Starting point is 00:08:07 called it at the end i was like i'm going to be delulu just about just like about just like about the last of us, Howe was like, no, he's, let's just, he's gonna come up as a zombie, Pedro Baskill. Y'all know what I'm talking about. So I was in that vein and I'm so glad. I also, I'm just
Starting point is 00:08:27 going to say, you know, she has a ring on, she throws the dirt, I don't know, I thought I saw her touch her tummy when he grabbed her out of the water, her harm went there. Now, my prediction, if it keeps going in the next movie,
Starting point is 00:08:43 she's got a baby in there and it's bacon we'll have to see um and uh i really like and diane lane always adds so much she's a great actress yeah um i don't really have any much negative things to say i just didn't really love his voice and that was good last thing we'll move because we got a few more questions i know i'm in a very small minority here i really like and i don't care you can come at me in the comments totally fun i really like jessie eisenberg and this he's not your prototypical Lex Luthor totally understand. I'm with that. But he did mention at the beginning of the film that his father was also Lex Luthor. So I always look at him in this film as Lex Luthor Jr. And I like how socially awkward he is and the tics that he chooses as an actor. And I think like his justification
Starting point is 00:09:29 for why he hates Superman so much and wants to prove him to be a fraud because, you know, he was literally abused by his father physically and mentally. And like, where was the God that came to save me? And now he's saving all these people. And I think that there's a just motivation for this character. And I just, I loved his performances. This again, because I don't look at him as the Lex Luthor from the comics. And I also look at him as Lex Luthor. So that's why I look at him. If I looked at him as the true Lex Luthor, this is not the Lex that I know for sure. And I'm with all you. The thing is like when you hire Jesse Eisenberg, he has a Jesse, you hire him to be Jesse Eisenberg. Like if you think about his performance here, it's it's very
Starting point is 00:10:10 similar to a lot of other other things he's a good quick talker and an awkward guy which i thought he did a great job with um i'll just read the next one real fast i know we got to keep moving malik b after watching the film how did you all feel about them killing off the character that essentially started this new universe in their second outing i think it was the wrong move to make considering this was the second movie in a new franchise man of steel was my first superman movie to see in the theater and i feel that superman Cavill was robbed of a proper sequel. While I did enjoy the introduction of Batman and Wonder Woman, I wish they would have had more faith in building out Superman and his supporting cast.
Starting point is 00:10:50 I also enjoyed how the movie portrayed the world reacting to the aftermath of Zod's invasion and the initial distrust of Superman's motives. I would love to hear your thoughts. Do you want to go first or me? Go ahead. I think you are absolutely correct. I do love this movie a lot, actually. I've grown to love it more.
Starting point is 00:11:10 over time. The more times I've watched, I've seen it now about four or five times now. It's been a couple of years since I last all, but I do agree. I really wish Henry Cavill would have gotten a proper sequel. I also wish we would have got a solo Batman film leading up to this. And I also would have liked and possibly even two
Starting point is 00:11:26 like seeing them fight each other. And obviously I don't want them to go down the Marvel road of copying. But there's a certain Marvel film. Have you seen most of the MCU films? I just don't want to spoil anything in case you have. No. No, probably not but also you just said he didn't get a proper sequel so that means Superman well i just mean like there was no man of steel two is all i'm saying oh okay yeah we went this is the next film right after man
Starting point is 00:11:52 of steel yeah yeah i got you okay i would have loved for henry cavil to get man of steel too i would have loved a solo batman film leading up into this i think it would have added a lot more emotional depth possibly and i think also what would add it even more emotional depth is if they would have had maybe even a team-up film too because then when they have this clash of ideology it would have felt like heartbreaking for us as an audience because yes we know the characters of batman superman but we don't know this batman particularly too well and they don't have that hit that history dynamic between them so that when they get into a fight with each other it's like no we have this history with you with a film or two we don't want this to happen so i think that could have gone a long
Starting point is 00:12:34 way i think more people would have been on board for that but You know, they didn't. I still really enjoy this film. I think the motivation still work. But, yeah, I think you make a very good point. I still think the introductions of Batman and Wonder Woman are still handled very well. And what about you? Well, Malik, I have a big theory that I think he's still alive.
Starting point is 00:12:53 So I don't think they killed him off. I'm sticking to it. And I think she's got a baby in her. But that's just me. I do agree, though, that they probably could have worked with a bit more from the man of Steel. I don't know how well that movie necessarily did with audiences and or budget and them making money on it. And if they didn't, they're going to have to switch it up. And honestly, to pull in Ben Affleck and Galgado, you know that it's probably a little bit of a, like, we can bring this home now maybe with these star names.
Starting point is 00:13:29 And I do agree with you, like the initial distress of Superman because they're bringing in the Zod's character and they're thinking he's totally involved. I really like that as well, which is why I called that out earlier of like if that's not in the comic books and it's someone wrote that in the script, good job. Love it. Yeah. All right. Next question from Daffmer. Thank you for, again, apologies if I mispronounce it. Thank you for the question. With watching this film now, we've had both Marvel and DC superhero teams on the big screen. How do you feel they are different? And what are some of the differences you enjoy? That's a very interesting question. You haven't really watched many of the Marvel films, have you? I mean, I've watched like a decent amount. I, teams on the big screen, how do you feel they're different? Right. I see what you're saying. I feel like, you know, actually, I will do this. I feel like the D.C. characters have more of a grit and a darkness to them. Yeah, I would say so. I feel like the Marvel characters are a little bit like brighter and there's a little more like comedy in there, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:37 And it's more Disney-like because Disney owns Marvel. So that all makes sense. And, you know, I wouldn't, I didn't foresee myself really say. this because I did really like oh freaking Captain America her right no what's the girl that's Captain Marvel thank you
Starting point is 00:15:01 Jesus Christ I love Captain America but Captain Marvel I like that movie and I know that's like some people maybe didn't but I also like Hulk and all these stuff I get it but I will tell you right now I think I'm a DC gal I like the darkness and the grittiness of these characters
Starting point is 00:15:19 way more than the brightness of the marvels. Yeah, well, I think also too. I mean, those, I was kind of going to say the same thing for you did. Yeah, the DC is kind of more dark and gritty nature versus the Marvel movies.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Although the Marvel movies can't get dark at times. They're more of the lighter, more cartoonish comedic tone, which is fine. I don't mind the contrast. But, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would say that that is a definite major difference in regards to how other differently they are. I mean, I guess you can say like there's, you know, they've, I mean, again, they've had more time to build and they're, you know, in regards to how they work as a team because we don't have that many films with the, the D.C. universe. So, like, there's that parody between them and that bondsmanship.
Starting point is 00:16:12 So I would say that's definitely a big difference. I mean, they've got the, and also, too, I would say. The Marvel movies operate in the real world, whereas the D.C. operates more in a fantasy world because you got Metropolis, you got Gotham, whereas like the Marvel movies operate in New York. And again, it's in the real world. So I would say that's another major difference in terms of landscape and geography. But I mean, I do like that they stand for the same things. They have conviction. But like if you're talking about like actual characters and stuff, like I always use like my favorite example of like two characters, for instance. They're like Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne. You got two. Playboy billioners. Iron Man's my favorite. Oh, I love Iron Man so much. But I love like his character arc like just even in the first film. He's such an arrogant pompous guy. But he's funny as hell. And then he's got that arc to to like stand for something and to become a hero. Whereas Bruce Wayne, he's he's a tormented tortured soul from what happened as a child. And he makes it his life's mission to to make sure that never happens to anyone else. So like, you know, there's contrast in that type of way.
Starting point is 00:17:16 but like we generally root for these guys and we have like such emotional connections and resonate with them. So you can find plenty of differences between them while still loving them. So it's, I love that you can find those contrasts while still loving them at the same time. Absolutely. Great, great question though. Reject Nation. I've been following a specific macro plan all year. Well, at the end of January.
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Starting point is 00:19:21 From Cody Enos, thank you so much for being a Royal Reject. And for the question, we appreciate it. At the time of release, many people were comparing this to Marvel's movie of the same year. I do remember this. Captain America Civil War, really quickly, have you seen that movie? I have. I don't remember a lot, but I do remember. Very, very good.
Starting point is 00:19:41 I got to be careful here, because in case we ever do react. back to the film, I don't want to go into spoilers. Do you believe Marvel had more goodwill towards these similarities? Because they had a history built up between these characters. I'll answer it right away. Absolutely, yes. And I think I mentioned that earlier in this.
Starting point is 00:19:56 I think when you go right into, from the question, I believe Malik answered earlier, we know who the characters of Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman are. Everyone, pretty much everyone does. You know, it's hard to find someone who doesn't know who these characters are, but because we don't know these versions of the characters, you know, there's no
Starting point is 00:20:12 there's no buildup there's no buildup and with going into Captain America's Civil War I don't remember how many films we were into that I think that was
Starting point is 00:20:23 Marvel Phase 3 there's a major buildup leading that and again there's a history dynamic so that when whatever happens in that film I don't want to spoil Terra
Starting point is 00:20:32 it's very heartbreaking because we love these characters so damn much and I just got to be so careful with my words here but again because of
Starting point is 00:20:44 just repetitively again saying because of the buildup everyone's like on board we've got like 12 13 14 films like everyone has pumped to see this movie not that everyone wasn't pumped like Batman and Superman
Starting point is 00:20:57 but you know what you're going to get when you got Grand Slam after Grand Slam or home run after home run however you want to use your sports analogy and then with Man of Steel it was a more divisive film I personally liked it a lot of people were not on board
Starting point is 00:21:10 with a darker Superman. So, you know, it's a lot, it's a lot harder to get people on board. And then you're kind of rushing people now with Batman versus Superman because again, there's no history. So I would say most definitely Captain America Civil War had that goodwill,
Starting point is 00:21:23 no doubt. Honestly, I think D.C. was like, we got a lot of competition. What are we going to drop at Comic-Con? I got an idea. Here's what Marvel's been doing. Let's get our top three characters together. Without much build-up,
Starting point is 00:21:36 because we know that that build-up, if they did it really, really right, It would take years and years and years. They wouldn't just be able to go, let's write this one movie and drop it and create an excitement, which I would not doubt if the trailer was the shot that close zoom in of the three of them. And everyone's like, what? Which would bring in a large amount of audience members, which is smart on their part. But yeah, I mean, of course, there's a reason why Marvel gets a little more crows. credit and more love with that because people are more attached to those characters because
Starting point is 00:22:16 we've spent more time with them yeah we spent less time with the DC characters just one yeah great great point I think one last point I just really quickly want to make we'll move on to the final questioner I think sports and movies Tara is all about what have you done for me lately and you know when you have good word of mouth in your previous films I think that goes a long way especially towards the box office and you know getting people to re-come back especially the movie that has just come out is like good in a lot of people's eyes it's going to have people coming back two three four five times to the theater it's expensive as we all know so yeah again uh thank you for the question we appreciate last one here is from pierre the reject you're a reject to pierre
Starting point is 00:22:57 welcome to the club thank you for the question for being a royal regic we appreciate who is the best batman you have both seen so far what a that's really a tough question I'll let you go first. I really like Birdman guy. Michael Keaton. But also, listen, the Twilight Kid did great. And that's my favorite line of all. I use it all the time where he's like,
Starting point is 00:23:22 I am vengeance. And I'm like, freak, yeah. I also just love the writing and that line. But I will say that, wait, hold up. Because the Dark Night is like, it's top. It's my favorite movie. and I did not mind the Christian male voice. I did not think that it was like too gritty
Starting point is 00:23:42 or like I couldn't understand him. I loved every part of him as Batman. So I think that that's a hard question, but those would be my top three. That's good. And the line you were referring to right from the Batman is, I'm vengeance. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:58 Yeah. Um, God. Definitely Michael Keaton's my favorite. I grew up with him and I've watched him so many damn times. that he just looks so good in that suit the way he how he emotes with his eyes and you can see that darkness within him i just he's by far my favorite i know this is not live live action kevin conroy another one of my favorite batman's god rest his amazing soul he would be my other favorite batman i love ben affleck robert patinson as well and christian bale's my favorite
Starting point is 00:24:29 bruce wayne am i allowed to say bruce wing because i know the question was batman christian bail is my favorite Bruce Wayne though. So there's my answer. But you all let us know in the comments who are your favorite. Thank you guys for all these incredible questions and for being Royal Rejects. And make sure if you want any of your questions answered in the future, you join our Patreon. We'll be happy to answer yours. So thank you. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. Just really quick thoughts on the film and then we'll kind of just wrap it up here. I mean, I think I gave you most of my thoughts from all of these. I did really, I really liked it. I thought that it was a fun film.
Starting point is 00:25:04 It was a long one, and I was curious like, oh, where are we going to go? How are we going to end? But once it got to the end and we got to that big old monster that Lex created, it was really moving. But honestly, you know, with Jesse Eisenberg, I really liked his character, but I'm, again, I'm not the comic book person.
Starting point is 00:25:24 I'm not the person who's going to be like, he's not acting like a certain thing. I'm just going to be like, I know why they hired Jesse Eisenberg. to do Jesse Eisenberg. There's only, like, one of it in a range, like, that he brings what he brings. And I know that he's a versatile actor,
Starting point is 00:25:44 but he also, like, gets hired to be Jesse Eisenberg, which he was in this film. And I really lie, I mean, I'll tell you what, the shirtless stuff in this movie, Ben Affleck worked his frickin' butt off. He did. And literally, he worked that hard to get 15 seconds tops of him shirtless. 15 seconds tops.
Starting point is 00:26:13 And that probably took his life for like a good six months. Like, if not a year. Wackadoo Wild. Also, Superman looked great. And yeah, can't wait for the next one. And the chest hairs were back, Tara. Just saying, you know. It was good.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Yeah, and I agree with a lot of what you said. I just really quickly, I love this film. by the way. Again, I've grown in more of an attachment. The first time I saw the theatrical cut, I did not dislike it. I just thought it was okay. And the more I've watched the ultimate edition, I've definitely gone on more board with what Zach Snyder's vision with what this film is supposed to be. And I know everyone's biggest point of controversy for this film is the whole Martha scene. So I just want to go over that really quickly. I thought the scene is fine. Yes, it could have been executed maybe a little tiny better. But I think, again,
Starting point is 00:27:02 Again, the whole point of that scene, you know, besides the whole fact that Batman now sees Superman as a human and, you know, their parents have the same name. But I always kind of interpreted it rather as, you know, the vision, you know, he's kind of, you're seeing into Bruce Wayne's mind there. He's seeing his dad and hearing him say the name Martha and that his dad couldn't say, it felt defenseless with that guy with the gun and he couldn't save his mother in that moment. And now he's got kind of that chance of redemption that his father couldn't save his mother in that moment. And now he can save Superman's mom there. So I always kind of felt like that was Batman now gets that chance of redemption of not being able. Because also too, Batman was a child. He was defenseless at that point as well.
Starting point is 00:27:42 So I kind of feel like that was the whole way that scene was supposed to be executed that people didn't, you know, kind of more laughed at in regards to that scene. But I thought it was done well. This is just me. I still like the scene. And I love what they were trying to do. like again the the dark path that batman was on throughout the film and his motivation sports superman i still think it works fine in that and again my interpretation of that scene this is just me i think an interesting route because we saw the robin suit in there and it said
Starting point is 00:28:15 ha ha the joke's on you so we clearly know and this is from the comics as many of you know i'm just pointing this out for terra we know that the joker killed jason todd in the comics who was the second robin after dick grayson right before um good god i'm blanking on uh the third one's name i know you guys will let me know i've seen the animated series so many times i am so mad at myself right now i'm just blanking but anyways point being is he killed jason todd so i think an interesting path i know it would have been a totally a little bit of a different film you show the death of like at the beginning of the film you show the death of joker just really quickly killing robin with like the crowbar and like maybe in that scene right there when he's he's about to kill superman with
Starting point is 00:28:53 the spear like he's having that vision of seeing him and he's like i can't become this killer like that's what joker did to robin kind of just enough way of doing that type of scene and like Batman can't walk this path and can't you know commit atrocities and murders like that he swore a life against this but that's also what caused him to go down this dark path which we know is from the death of Robin which we can assume from that quick glance and seeing that soon that's why he keeps that suit around is but we really do think that up to that moment that Batman believed that Superman yes brought the whole thing down on the world and then eventually he figured it out absolutely
Starting point is 00:29:30 No, no, again, yes, that is correct. I'm saying the way everything was executed and done and the way I interpreted was still done really well. Totally. I'm just saying that would have also been, in my opinion, another interesting way you could have gone about it that maybe could have had everyone on board possibly. I'm only interpreting that or giving my version of that just because I saw the Robin suit in there. I think that could have been a fascinating angle to take. That's a good writing there. Yeah, possibly.
Starting point is 00:29:56 So also one other thing, the scene at the beginning, seeing everything from Bruce's perspective. of the visuals on that and seeing the horrifying look from the ground absolutely epic and incredibly done by Zach Snyder and again if you have a differing opinion totally cool I'm just a little confused about
Starting point is 00:30:14 why it seemed like everyone got out of the Wayne Manor built or Wayne Manor the Wayne Enterprises building by the way it was Tim Drake the third Robin after Jason Todd my synapsis was just firing it seemed like everyone got out of that building that Bruce Wayne was talking to Jack
Starting point is 00:30:30 over the phone he's like jack i want you to get everyone out of the building but i'm just curious why did jack get out of the building i'm like this is so bizarre that everyone else got out and he was still up there i think another again emotional pull for me would have been because bruce was clearly pissed off that his friend it was you know someone who he worked with at the building and someone was close to him i think something would have been interesting when he called him up and just another little added piece of writing for me if he called him and said jack i want you to get everyone out of the building bruce we're trapped here we can't get out like now bruce is coming there you can't really do anything but he's gonna try
Starting point is 00:31:05 anyways he's bruce way's batman so i think that also would have given also the uh the point of like they can't escape and now it makes sense why they're not getting out of the building but only he's the only one that didn't get out so i was just a little confused personally yeah i mean i called that out in the last movie too because remember he was like i'm gonna stay up here and then he let him all go and i was like why is he not leaving i thought it was weird um and then obviously it was just sort of a replay but a different point of view that I'm with you I did think like okay your
Starting point is 00:31:36 people you got there safely do you want to die like I'm with you on that yeah and last thing I love the horror element that they play up with Batman especially at the beginning when you're seeing the bats carrying him up up into the white light and then the first scene
Starting point is 00:31:52 where he's taking out the human trafficker and like hiding up in the shadows and the way he's moving kind of like again remind me of Batman Mask of the Phantom I think that's such a fun way and scary way as well to approach Batman like just seeing him in such a horrific way the way criminals see Batman such a great way that Zach Snyder executed the character like he really understands like again the horror elements of how to execute Batman in my opinion yeah there was like a few jump scares in here which like wild good job on that yeah just one thing I'm not gonna go
Starting point is 00:32:24 I don't think we have time for trivia but just one one question here I want to ask you just box office for this film what do you think this film made box office that's the only question i'm going to ask you i don't get to know the budget oh okay i can let you know that the budget real quick and then i'll do it i can let you know that this movie has a long time that man v superman budget budget uh so the budget do you want to guess the budget yeah yeah go ahead no no no tell me the budget and then i'll guess the other sorry sorry 250 million dollars and that's in 2016 okay or 2015 is when they filmed of 20s or 14s when they filmed it with 2016 release date so box office worldwide 625 million wait as of today it's just like yeah
Starting point is 00:33:08 it's just like around yeah worldwide um okay all right um 829 million not bad 874 you were on the right path hey look at me go but see Tara that's the problem like when you have Batman Superman and Wonder Woman you should be making over a billion dollar it's you got the trinity in that yeah i should be making over a billion i mean the dark night the dark night the dark night rises just had batman and those films made over a billion each hell yeah because that's a great oh no no those are great movies but my point my point being is if you have those three characters in one movie you should make over yeah no i'm with you i'm with you i think that was obviously a problem for one of brothers but anyways we got to get the f out of here great uh i enjoyed it terran enjoyed it let us
Starting point is 00:33:55 know in the comments what did you think and if you stayed with us this song we appreciate it. I believe the next film we're going to be doing is Justice League. I'm not sure yet. Greg and I have been talking, we might do the director's cut or the theatrical or both. We don't know yet. Let us know the comment, which one you want to see, or if you want to see us, do both. I assume the director's cut. But we will see you later. Take care. Be safe.

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