The Reel Rejects - BEST EPISODE YET!! THE PENGUIN 1x04 Breakdown & Review

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Starting point is 00:01:29 Sank the Horns. What? Brilliant. Helen Shaver. Brilliant. John McCutchen. Wow. Brilliant.

Starting point is 00:01:44 What a show. We just finished episode four of the Penguin. An episode focused on Sophia getting her backstory. And I think it contextualized a favorite character already in a person. favorite show of the year in a way that I was not expecting. We talked throughout the episode about how we assumed she had done something, but I never even, my brain wasn't even putting together hangman strangulation. Obviously, her dad strangled people we saw on the Batman.

Starting point is 00:02:12 I just didn't, they gave us all the clues, like a good mystery where it's like, here are the breadcrumbs, you won't see it. And then like the reveal, the horrors, I love that episode. Yeah. Krista Milliotty, man. Every episode's gotten progressively better. and I think that this episode is the strongest so far. And I'm surprised to say that because of the fact that Colin Farrell is barely in this episode.

Starting point is 00:02:35 Yeah. And it's really, what is for God do you? Christine Millioti. Millioti. Millioti. Millioti. Millioti. M-I-L-I-O-T-I-O-T-I-O-T-E-L-O-T-E-E-L-O-T-E-E-L-O-T-E-O-F-O-O-O-F-O-O-O-F-O-O-C.

Starting point is 00:02:45 Christine-M-E-M-E-E-E-L-O-L-O-O-F-O-O-F-O-O-F-O-F-O-F-O-F-F-O. to watch how she was pre-Arcum and to get all this information of someone who actually had a good heart who cared was different from her family in the sense of like

Starting point is 00:03:08 she's one of this almost like Diane Keenan-esque in the godfather I'm kind of aware of some shit that's going on but I don't I was born into this but I haven't like she's not that way by choice

Starting point is 00:03:18 she's in a family but like loved by her father and then to watch literally in her entire transformation I got to imagine they gave her the script to this prior to everything that we saw. And I love how this just sort of challenges your audience because I was convinced the whole time that she killed these people that she snapped or something like that because she, and I was like, I don't know why, but I want to know why.

Starting point is 00:03:46 And I kind of, I have that judgment assessment of her. I'm like, Penguin must have ratted her out because she's dangerous, you know, like those kinds of things that were happening and then to go back and go wow it's a completely different perspective now on those last four episodes last three episodes because of the truth that we now have and watching her descent into what this is and to suddenly take the character who you're like ooh she's the threat to penguin perhaps she's the she might be the villain of the episode she's a scary one to completely flip it to challenge your audience to go shit i hope she comes out on top I hope she wins.

Starting point is 00:04:25 I think she should beat Penguins. Like to go that far is crazy. Like, you know she, actually, I don't know where it's going to go. I just, I love that they really managed to do it in a way that doesn't feel like manipulative. It's like, oh, this was there, the DNA of the story that was there the whole time. And you see that Penguin's been kind of like the doucheback, that asshole this whole time. And it already is in a show where Penguin is, we talked already about how it's going to be interesting to watch the Batman, too, and be against Penguin

Starting point is 00:04:54 with how much we like him and now you add another element where we dislike him because of how much we love Sophia Falcone who I never expected to identify with and that adds texture to Arkham it adds texture to Falcone in the Batman

Starting point is 00:05:05 it adds texture to the entirety of the Gotham Underbelly but it really makes you so torn with your relationship to Penguin because he has already been a bad guy that was so captivating they gave him a spinoff and then in a spinoff you're like well that's my guy

Starting point is 00:05:19 and then the Victor relationship and we know he's going to betray Victor we feel like and now we've got Sophia. And real life is so layered. Real life, there are no protagonists and antagonists in a black and white way. There are shades of gray of like why people they are the way they are.

Starting point is 00:05:32 This gives us so much context because we just left off right before the drugs. Like, we're about to see Penguin shift into more power. And like, we literally didn't go over anything from episode three except for that intro from an angle

Starting point is 00:05:44 we didn't see. I love that you were like, did we see this yet? And it was literally, they had Colin Farrell look out the window that we saw the other shot of and then dove in. I just,

Starting point is 00:05:52 just can't get over how like I'm flashing back to other moments of like when the first time she meets Victor and every single time you're with Sophia you're like okay she got out of Arkham she's saying they rehabilitated her but did they really I can't imagine she's actually here no no no she's probably still a psychopath underneath and to go that's not the performance at all it's a completely different thing it's so mind-blowing performance those those in two frames when I was like wow she looks so much younger she had a weightlessness to her. It was very natural, yeah. In a moment, you're like, oh, she's just young, but then you realize what you're seeing is the innocence of someone not yet broken. And that's so hard to convey without a word spoken. And then she spoke, and I was like, this is a different person. And I like the layers of the relationship with Penguin a lot, too, because at first,

Starting point is 00:06:38 you know, it's like, oh, she's actually nicer to him. Yeah. But you also still see those shades of when she is kind of a dick to him. Because, yeah, at the end of the day, she would still be raised in that family. At the end of the day, she is still, why are you inside? That line was cold. That was a cold line. And then you would understand, like, where she comes from.

Starting point is 00:06:53 That is how you'd treat the help because you wouldn't be raised any differently. But I love that penguin raised in his environment treats Victor well. But he still has to, like, punish him when things go wrong because that's how you survive. Like, there are so many, I mean, we loved Penguins relationship with Victor two episodes ago. And we were talking about how paternal and strong it was. That's how you treat people differently in the subservient position. But what are they going to do with the next episode? Are they going to have to endear us to penguin again?

Starting point is 00:07:18 Are we going to find out, like, it does such a good job making us. love hate everyone like i don't want her to die i'm like please i want her this character to carry on i want her to exist within the batman universe i want her to come out on top i'm like i'm here like freak get your revenge man i would love to see her just in a warehouse doing a deal in a batman movie you know what i mean like i want to see her like at the end of a mafia table doing a deal and batman comes in and like i just i can i can see this world so well i just love like the whole time watching this show and you're like she was never crazy no she was framed like yeah and then

Starting point is 00:07:52 by someone we've already met still get why she was acting the way she's acting because she can't trust anyone yeah and she has to present herself a certain way and she did change she did kill someone in in arkham she had like that ironic just so sad moment when she kills

Starting point is 00:08:09 map high and she and she just killed I told you I was in it oh my god great and then they pull her out of the past into the present our our screen is that into the present and i love that as soon as they killed magpie i'm like and that's why it's not harley queen like it's immediate why they're using these characters and i we talked about in the episode but mark strong fits so seamlessly i like him more he's exactly the character i like tureau as a swing but he's not falcones like an interesting choice yeah but it felt like a choice whereas mark strong's

Starting point is 00:08:38 like oh yeah mark strong it's interesting they have two completely different takes you know similar mannerisms though well titurro's a much more soft-spoken but like the physicality mannerisms i mean like movement, he clearly mirrored the visual choices. Whereas Mark Strong speaks a little bit more with, I don't know, his conviction, he's got a, he's got a authoritative, I don't know, authoritative. There's a little more

Starting point is 00:09:02 oomph in his speech pattern. Yeah, exactly. Whereas, like, Tatar's like, very, I think he's very calm. Before the scratches. Yeah, yeah. And I love that we see you know, that defensive wound that ties in a catwoman. This also enhances catwoman's just that one line of like, what's he doing with these women? And everyone's like, Salina Kyle,

Starting point is 00:09:18 or at least I was. Well, it's, it's ironic. how the Turros, I actually think works better for the Batman movie where Strong actually works better for what they did here. Because in the Batman movie, you need him not to be physically intimidating to Pattinson. Whereas Mark Strong is

Starting point is 00:09:34 terrifying. Yeah. Like, Mark Strong, just by nature, there's an intimidation. Yeah, uh, that, his performance, I thought was excellent. Like, so a lot of times when you do that transitional role where you get a different actor, you have to like, kind of like adjust. And I was like, there's like zero adjustment happening here. Like, this is perfect.

Starting point is 00:09:50 shows how archetypal falcon is because it was almost like a different pincler like this reminds me of tim sales version like the long halloween i immediately them sitting at dinner i was like oh long halloween but the tuturo version reminds me of some of the detective comic stuff it reminds me of some of the more like noirie um literally detective books in detective comics where it's like a penciler making a character fit their story yeah i think there's such excellence in how they've crafted the falcon family because anytime you like kind of read about the falcon family it's like it's like it's like it They can be generic if not written well. Of course.

Starting point is 00:10:22 And they're also, usually in comics where there's like way more interesting villains. Yeah. So they're like, oh, the Falcons are like, they're mob guys. But then you got like freaking Ridler existing here. Yeah, this is way more interesting. Even in the Batman, I would say that. Like, yeah, he's good. Valcone's like, Taduro's good.

Starting point is 00:10:40 But, you know, you got rid of her. You got rid of her. You got way more interesting villains around. And I think what this show has done is really elevate that side of the mob. officer angle with it like even in the dark night that's a that's a quite i mean the but man begins and dark night the the families are there but they're not really like scary or intimidating this actually really drives home the importance of them in gotham this is that rare show that i think is going to enhance the comics i feel like it well especially for sophia falconn well like the oroboris

Starting point is 00:11:10 of like some comics like i i consider captain america better post chris evans i consider downy junior enhancing iron man yeah even in the writing like some people took more strides to make it like the show, I mean, like the movie, the right now, uh, so the long Halloween's a comic that a lot of Batman lore movies have been based off of you probably know the long Halloween because of the number of adaptations. A lot of the Batman is based up the long Halloween, a lot of the, the trio of the Harvey Dent, um, uh, commissioner Gordon and Batman on the roof is very long Halloween. All of that you've seen in the dark night.

Starting point is 00:11:42 Like, so both of the most iconic modern dark night stories are long Halloween. Right now in the comic books, they're doing a sequel. Tim Sale had started pages on it and he passed away two years ago So the artist Tim Sale passed away And Jeff Loeb the writer didn't know If you wanted to tell the story or not And then a bunch of artists were like

Starting point is 00:11:58 Why don't we do it in honor of him And no one's gonna draw on Tim Sale's style But they're gonna make the characterizations look the same So it's the long ears and all that stuff So right now there's actually a comic book In this exact setting with different artists Like literally as we speak And while watching this I was like

Starting point is 00:12:13 Huh, it's like the long Halloween The Last Halloween Which is ongoing as we speak Where a different artist is drawing the falcons and that's what mark strong felt like it felt like literally oh a new issue of this new thing and i really think that is how you build out universes and make the movies big events and then this show this is why i don't need a supernatural batman until the justice league stuff with gun this is why i want more matt reeves like i could live in this universe like i did daredevil i want this to be like 10 years

Starting point is 00:12:39 no this is the real building of a bat verse the way the batman universe deserves to be built where you're not, you literally get us see it from their POV in a way that's not like, you know, Joker origin story or Sony Spider-Man. We'll talk about that this weekend, Greg. Like, they're just actual characters. And even, it even re-contextualizes a lot of the penguin scenes where there were hints that you could get, like, it seems like he feels a little guilty about some stuff. And they're like, oh, no shit he feels guilty.

Starting point is 00:13:10 Like, like, because I really do get the impression that he wasn't trying to like snitch. I mean, he snitch. but the cop element like as soon as it elevated but once it got there he was like fighting to try to get her out because he would never expect their dad yeah to go to like that so he just did a thing to be he wanted respect and he thought ratting her out would get him respect but then it like escalated into that which he was surprised by and i also love what adds to his guilt over 10 years and why he might have genuinely wanted a friendship with sophia like that might have been a genuine goal of partnership and then as soon as he knew it was too late yeah as much as he's doing like ratting out and having everything tear from the inside from the inside it does seem like like that speech that he gives to Sophia was genuine like it comes from a truthful place and then the next beat he's like got to go

Starting point is 00:13:56 but he's at he's selfishness he's got to save himself at all times and I also love the illustration of how they're done with Arkham we've seen a lot of stuff with Arkham this was terrifying but there was something about taking someone who's innocent I like this better than the Drew as far as Arkham yeah it paints Arkham

Starting point is 00:14:10 as taking someone who's innocent and putting them through this type of this level of treatment is horrifying to be in that POV. Like, we, I love, I love some true crime documentaries and then it's like, no, insane shit happens where people are literally, like, convicted and have to be in prison for like years sometimes. Or put to death without being illy, like, that happens. Like, we find out, like, oh, we were wrong.

Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah, yeah, it's like horrible things happen. So this, that there was something that felt like real, but maniac at the same time. It also recontextualizes Batman. Like, there was a point where I was like, you know, Batman punching them to be ill. like if we heard the story of oh the mad woman hangman who killed seven women and then you see in a very traditional narrative like

Starting point is 00:14:53 Batman jumps in knocks her out punch in the face but then you see how she got there and like that changes that relationship like vigilanteism versus like a due process but due process is what got her there due process so it's like that's what I mean by shades of gray there is no way of just being right wrong. How do you feel about

Starting point is 00:15:09 Theo Rossi's performance? There were a couple moments I was like hey it's the most questionable performance oddly and I really like him normally there were a couple moments I was like is he playing in too heavy that he loves her is he because I don't get the performance yet I just don't get it yet

Starting point is 00:15:24 it definitely felt like he's like a love sick puppy but it's so undetermined it feels like he's kind of coasting and that's not Theo Rossi he's usually so committed well I mean Theo Rossi is usually this cat everything I've seen him and he's like he's got that calm way of speaking but can you trust

Starting point is 00:15:41 what he's saying that's always yeah that's always the Theo Rossi but like here the Love element makes me. So, like, I've interviewed Theorasi enough times that I'm always... Does he talk like that in real life? Yeah, and it's terrifying. In real life, Theorossi is so intimidating.

Starting point is 00:15:53 And, like, he's a sweetheart, but you're like, did I say something wrong? Because, like, usually people come back to you, like, quiet. You're like, oh. Yeah, it's a disconcerting. Yeah. Here, I'm like, why is there not a secondary? Like, what's the hook? And I'm hoping it comes because I think he's so good.

Starting point is 00:16:09 I'm hoping we get, like, and that's why he's this. Yeah, yeah. Because so far, I'm like, I like, I like the cast. of him and stuff but i haven't seen the the punchline yet i so hope that she gets it like my god she is phenomenal dude she needs the emmy man she's been phenomenal for like not just from this episode like she's been phenomenal the whole season but she just gets better she's in home springs yeah yeah she's so good in that yeah you love her so god that was her in it um because she's the innocent pre-archum her yeah she's just a delight i think this is the first drama i've seen of her

Starting point is 00:16:41 you know how good she is you're not how good this episode was because how good she is We stopped doing pigment voice. This show's so good. It earned our respect. It got us to focus. Victor! Like, we literally were joking the first 20 minutes, and I was like, I can't keep joking. Like, I have been raptured.

Starting point is 00:16:57 I was, yeah, once we start piecing together that, oh, my God, she was framed. It's just sort of blowing my mind of like, it just makes, it's like a saw movie twist at the end where you're like, oh, my God, the way I viewed the first three episodes. Everything. I want to rewatch all three, dude. It's entirely wrong. We got Shyamaland. Like, that was so good. I love that you can do that with your audience.

Starting point is 00:17:17 In an hour. That's a genius. And the fact that within an hour, like, this is probably the biggest difference of our emotional, like, jest versus, like, heaviness, I think in an hour. Yeah. Like, this is usually, like, a three-hour movie where we're, like, wiped out at the end. But we started this giddy because we're so excited to watch this show and we were making silly voices. By the end, we're like, rocked. Yeah, that was, that's brilliant.

Starting point is 00:17:36 Good TV. This is, this is brilliant. Like, this is when something feels like they really crafted a whole season. Best show of the year. Yeah. This is really great. It makes other things, and I don't like comparison, but I'm aware of my enjoyment being on tears. This makes other things harder to watch because I'm like, but can I just watch more Penguin?

Starting point is 00:17:55 Yeah, this is amazing. It's so good. This is amazing. Let us know in the comments below. Did you get hoodwinked? I knew there was some duplicitousness, but I didn't know the level, the dichotomy, the duality of what was happening with this poor.

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The Reel Rejects - BEST EPISODE YET!! THE PENGUIN 1x04 Breakdown & Review

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