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Starting point is 00:00:25 Celebrate in a fashion responsible. You have to have the age legal for consuming This week's video is sponsored by Acorns, the money app that makes it simple and cheap to make small yet significant investments. Let's watch this. Ladies and gentlemen, we just watched Captain America, Brave New World. Thanks to Prepper for editing now these highlights. Listen, guys, guys. guys girls that was an experience that was different for sure started off like this ain't as bad as

Starting point is 00:01:07 everyone made it out to be i'm having fun ah there's some flaws and then some thoughts started sinking it and then emotions and mood started changing in this atmosphere of ours Andrew Greg What are your thoughts You got a paper and pen here I love to see it Yes I wrote

Starting point is 00:01:30 I wrote some stuff down You know what I'll go through the positives First I did find the film Actually fun and entertaining And I rather enjoyed myself Having said all that Like the

Starting point is 00:01:42 Positive is dying Yeah no I'm just kidding Now the action sequences Were before some of them fizzled out I actually thought they were immersive I liked some of the hand-to-hand choreography, and I like the way Sam and Joaquin moved in their falcons, I mean, Captain America and Falcon suits. I thought a lot of those were actually fun, and again, I just thought they were easy to follow,

Starting point is 00:02:06 and I liked a lot of the wide shots, so in the cinematography in those scenes, and that was all great. So from that perspective, yeah, and also I like the music buildup as well in a lot of those scenes, like from the bombastic action music to a lot of the times when the scenes would just build up tension with the music as well so it really elevated like how I wanted to feel in those scenes so also too I actually really did enjoy Harrison Ford as Thaddeus Ross I was actually I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about that at first because I know we didn't get a ton of I believe it was William Hurt we did get a ton of William Hurt in his MCU I think it was Incredible Hulk, Civil War, Infinity War,

Starting point is 00:02:49 and that scene at the end in Endgame. So we didn't get a ton of him, but I like that this film really felt like it focused more on him then Cap, but having settled that, I really did like his arc, and I like that he kind of went down that redemption route of just, at the end of the day, it was just, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:08 he wanted to kind of show Betty that, I mean, kind of jammed it down her throats a little bit that he wanted to change. you know and i get it he wanted to repair his relationship with his daughter because after you know there'd been irreparable damage from the events of incredible hulk and obviously we don't know what betty's been doing all this time i definitely would have liked a little more screen time with live tyler just because i really enjoyed her performance as betty ross in the incredible hulk and her chemistry i thought was really good with edward norton having so that i did i was

Starting point is 00:03:40 emotionally invested in the performance by arson ford and his character i actually felt it And I also thought it was a really interesting take because usually we see with Bruce Banner going from angry to try to go to calm, rather in this film it was calm to avoid getting angry. So I thought that was a fascinating angle to go through. And I really liked that approach with Thadius Ross. I wasn't the biggest fan of, again, when it comes to Earth's Mightiest Heroes, which if you have not seen that show, please get on that. I love the way the leader is utilized. Let's put it this way whenever, and this goes for just about any videos.

Starting point is 00:04:15 in that show, but especially the leader. Whenever the leader is on that show, you really feel like that the Avengers, and also too, when he's on that show, it's usually an Avengers level type of threat, which is fine. I don't mind that they use him in a Captain America film. It is what it is. I'll take the leader when I can get him. But point being, whenever he's on Earth's Mightiest heroes, I genuinely feel like in the moment, the stakes are so high, and the Avengers have no shot in the moment when I'm watching it, even though I know, hey, they're going to eventually find some way to defeat the leader but when you're watching it you really feel like the Avengers have no shot and while I was watching this there were a couple times I'm like okay this

Starting point is 00:04:53 feels a little bit like the leader where you know again his biggest weapon is his brain but a lot of times it's like this just feels so maybe it was the performance by Tim Blake Nelson which I do love as an actor maybe it just felt too hammy at times for me and it were just times where I'm like this just does not feel like the leaderesque again where in terms of I don't feel the stakes here and I just don't feel like Sam's not going to defeat him. And it's really a tone thing for me as well as that feel where I'm like, I need

Starting point is 00:05:23 to feel like you're not going to be able to defeat the leader. I know it's a tough thing to ask a writer to really get that down on paper, but I never felt that way while watching this film. And that's a really big step back for me whenever I watch the leader. And again, just comparing it to Earth's May's Heroes, I never

Starting point is 00:05:38 feel that way whenever I'm watching the leader on that show. I still have never really read the leader in the comics, so I'm, you know, you let me know in the comments if that's how you feel as well whenever you read him in the comics, but he's just an incredibly three-dimensional character that, again, you feel like the Avengers have no shot or whoever he's going up against. So I would say that that's a major flaw for me, as well as, again, I particularly did not care for this interpretation by Tim Blake Nelson. I did enjoy him a lot in Incredible Hulk. I also did my passing. It was kind of interesting.

Starting point is 00:06:09 Like, again, I am a huge staunch defender of Incredible Hulk, this film really did feel more of a, which is fine, but the film should really be focusing more on Sam and Joaquin, which, by the way, I really like their chemistry. I would have like the film to focus more on that and just building rapport there because I thought like together they were great. And I feel like this film is more of a sequel straight up to Incredible Hulk, which again is fine if maybe Bruce Banner's in this film, but I just don't know if these were the right characters to personally interject in this film and in the story. So, yeah, and also, too, I did like Isaiah the whole, you know, sequence that I was again emotionally invested, but maybe that's because I just

Starting point is 00:06:57 watched Falcon and Winter Soldier. I think, again, my biggest problem with this is this film relies on you having watched Incredible Hulk and having watched Falcon and Winter Soldier, which I just recently did. So having, if I didn't watch that, I don't know if, even though I sounds like like I'm crapping all over this. I don't know if I would have even enjoyed it as much as I did if I didn't. If you just go into this and not having recently watched this, I think you're going to dislike this even more. So I think that's an issue when you have to rely.

Starting point is 00:07:22 And I know it's a shared universe, of course, but I think it's a disservice when you have to rely on watching things very recently versus like just telling your own story. I got more thoughts, but I'll leave it to you guys to continue the conversation and we'll get more into it. Aaron? Greg? You know, so we start these videos talking about how we're feeling, right? And I remember going into this being like, I'm excited. I think that, you know, I've spent all this time investing on these characters and these movies going into this. And now coming on the other side of that, I just feel kind of numb. I don't really feel anything. And I think that is sort of the summation of the movie itself. now and I say that because I think this was an easy watch you know I feel like it's one you could definitely play in the background or or watch on cable or you know put on for the kid to

Starting point is 00:08:28 want to watch a superhero movie you know perfect for selling toys and whatnot got your Hulk toys got your Falcon toys got your Captain America toys and got your Captain America toys and got Captain America toys. I can say that 500 more times. There's how many times I said Captain America in this movie. But you know, I'll start this before I get into the issues that I had. I thought

Starting point is 00:08:50 the fighting was cool. I thought Captain America, they did a really great job showcasing his ability as a fighter and his versatility being able to go from hand-to-hand combat to being able to use the shield to using that in tandem with

Starting point is 00:09:06 his his wings and the wings being a part of the combat and using that wakondon technology though very sparingly i feel like they were able to do that in a way where it was believable that he can take on a number of guys at once you know i feel like that was really the clutch of his ability as a protagonist in this film i bought his chemistry with walking torres i thought that stuff was really fun i think he's a great addition to the marvel centermatic universe because he's just is a charismatic young gentleman I liked Harrison Ford's energy that he brought to the role in spite of the

Starting point is 00:09:42 role not really having much meat on it in and of itself and I liked the teasing of conversations that we were doing. I like the fact that animantium comes from a source within the MCU that is something that makes sense because it's something

Starting point is 00:09:57 that on earth would have not been witnessed or experienced before prior to the events of Eternals. So all that stuff is cool. What I didn't really care for is the rest of it. But I mean that by saying that, listen, I'm someone who cares about story in tandem with character.

Starting point is 00:10:19 I feel like stories work best when those two things are at their highest peak. Some stories have, you know, an elevated level of character where it's all about the internal and the pathos and the struggle of that and other characters, other movies are about the heightenedness of the plot. And, you know, everything is in service of the plot. And it felt like this movie wanted to be about characters, but somewhere along the way just kind of got cut out to just the bare essentials for what you need to qualify as a movie.

Starting point is 00:10:46 And it's such a disservice because this is the first Captain America movie where we're getting Anthony Mackey as the lead on prime time. Theaters all over the world, all over the country, and we don't really get any stronger insight into who he is outside of what we know him to be related to Captain America. Hell, I even thought we got more of who he is in the show than we did in this movie, which is surprising because he's the title character. And there's this thing there, right, that they established in the show that, listen,

Starting point is 00:11:19 I know when I put on this costume, everybody's going to hate me. I'm going to get so many different opinions. And I think that is an arc that they teased, but didn't really pay off in this movie. And it's crazy to me that they didn't because that is something that could have easily paralleled Ross's character with him being this president that has this huge backstory and huge history that may ring as controversial that they don't really

Starting point is 00:11:44 touch outside of the leader having his own personal gripes with him and I felt like that arc in and of itself is the perfect thing to make those two characters juxtapose but they don't highlight on that thing which makes the film feel imbalance. You don't really give Sam

Starting point is 00:12:00 Wilson an arc and the arc they do give him was just rehashing his arc from the show. It was just only really addressed in a single scene. So it's kind of baffling that we had an entire film where nothing really changes outside of the fact that the president was the Hulk and then is now in jail. If you didn't watch this movie, you wouldn't really miss anything, which is kind of sad. You don't miss anything from Sam Wilson's perspective going into Avengers.

Starting point is 00:12:27 You could just watch Falcon Winter Soldier and not be none the wiser. And you don't really need to watch this movie for where the Hulk is because he's just in jail now. And you'd be none the wiser of that fact if you hadn't seen that film. When it comes to the leader, listen, we've seen a bunch of mastermind type characters throughout media. I think in recent memory, as a time of recording this, my favorite interpretation of that is Wilson Fisk in season three of Daredevil. Because he's such a mastermind manipulator sitting in one spot. But they do such, they do lip service to that concept without really paying that off. You don't really feel the odds.

Starting point is 00:13:04 You don't really feel the, like Sam Wilson's in a position where he is not in control. And that's really a disservice to the character and the movie because it has such potential to be good. Even outside of what he does in the comic books, I think the fact that you don't really utilize a character that has this enhanced brain power to its fullest ability, that could have been a villain in and of itself, just the entirety of the film. But I don't know, they just kind of waste it. but to go back to sam wilson real quick and i'll give it off to greg is that you know he's capable as a hero but they don't really show his struggle they don't show not the not even his struggle with how he's perceived but his struggle as a fighter you you talk about man i should took the serum i should i should took the serum i'm like oh i'm not like steve or like bucky

Starting point is 00:13:54 but he never really struggles in any fight he gets stabbed in the chest and in the side but he never really takes a step to be like okay i'm just a man i need to like chill for a second he just kind of keeps going so i don't know i think taking away that that personal struggle and that physical struggle really did a disservice to him and his first outing as captain america so with that i'll give it to greg we can discuss more yeah i think that uh this movie is i don't know what this movie is i i i think it is a a mess of a movie in a way that doesn't feel that messy you know like this movie went through

Starting point is 00:14:36 reshoot hell and if I really pay attention I can see where like a lot of John Carlo Esposito feels like a thing that was really inserted that that part

Starting point is 00:14:53 particularly I get a a feeling like this doesn't feel as if this was part of the original movie that being said like in terms of editing they do an all right job of editing something that feels like this was a movie trimmed down and less of a film that was massively retooled if that makes sense like i think there's a way you could pitch it to someone as there's like a half hour missing when really this this is kind of an odd puzzle piece of a of a movie and yeah i think there's a lot where you can kind of crap on the movie about uh But this seems like a big Disney problem with the studio where a lot of this falls down because I think there was a lot of potential for, you know, this is the fourth, if you look at it, there's a lot of ways to look at it, the fourth Captain America movie, Winter Soldier and Civil War have a lot of political undertones to them, a lot of political themes. And I'm not saying you need to do, you know, left versus right, Republican versus Democrat, even though the movie could have had shades of that. a red band in office

Starting point is 00:16:04 there's definitely some shades that they could have done I think the movie kind of shies away from being something thematic the movie really does feel like it kind of lacks substance or lacks a commentary when like your freaking main character is a president and your other main

Starting point is 00:16:20 characters a black captain America it seems like there's something there where they could have leaned into it in the first half hours seemed like it was setting up something to actually explore and instead the movie just becomes a very straightforward movie that was scared to do anything else and there was more balls in the movies of winter soldier and civil war definitely more winter soldier as well when talking about like surveillance and control and government right this film i don't really know what the hell they're talking about the movie's loud it's a loud movie that is remixed through the roof to the point where there's very little to actually care about because there's so much happening and it's really bombastic, chaotic, yet kind of void of tension.

Starting point is 00:17:08 The movie loses tension as it goes and it loses suspense as it goes. Like by the time they got to the Celestial Hand fight, which was weird to me because it's like, oh, we're finally doing something with this. And not really. It's more of just a property that is up for debate of territorial stuff. and this property is what it's treated as and they don't really do much with it like you could have kind of put that fight almost anywhere and it seemed to me that it was losing

Starting point is 00:17:44 impact of what they could really do in that like that fight is so big and there's so much aerial shit going on and a lot of choreography and if you isolate it or take moments from that put it in a trailer if I just watched a clip on YouTube or something it's cool it's a cool thing but it's kind of numbing by the time you get to that point in the movie

Starting point is 00:18:05 that's when I realize I'm thank you manager that's what I realize I'm starting to check out of what we're watching right now because this is feeling void of stuff the only real meet there was like some scenes that were good there's this one particular scene with Harrison Ford and Anthony Mackey where there where Harrison Ford is lamenting all his pain and sorrow and everything

Starting point is 00:18:26 that went down with Stearns and getting that perspective about it and Anthony Mackey is there instilling, like, well, this is when a real leader is supposed to rise to the occasion when it's hard and shit. So that was like the closest it felt to a moment that was feeling like a Captain America moment is something that really had the symbolism of Captain America there. As repetitive as this screenplay is, where they really seem like they were trying to drive home. He's Captain America, Captain America. If we say it enough, it's like they're trying to do like a false affirmation to the audience. instead of showing us and letting us live with him as captain america it there was this thing where they kept kind of repeating it so that way you you can brainwash the audience and it's just

Starting point is 00:19:09 accepting it or some shit i don't know there's something that i felt like forced about it and that's how a lot of this sort of felt was a lot of it did feel like it was trying to hard to reap tension or something from the experience you know earning it yeah yeah none of it a lot of it doesn't feel earned. Harrison Ford is easily the best part of the movie to me. The way they brought layers to have you care about Ross, so that way it feels, you know, a tiny bit tragic by the time he turns, this truly unfortunate thing that he has been trying to prevent.

Starting point is 00:19:45 And the build orchestrated around him eventually turning was pretty cool, even though obvious and telegraphed because of trailers. it still was rewarding. And I like the fight. I heard that being a lot of complaints that Red Hulk's barely in the movie. And I could see that. I'm actually, I'm glad I heard that complaint before we watched it or else I might have been a little more disappointed.

Starting point is 00:20:13 But with what we got, I enjoyed the fight for the most part. I enjoyed seeing Red Hulk for the most part. That being said, like what you guys talked about, beyond emotional struggle and mental struggles of character development, they don't even give Anthony Mackey physical struggles. I'm like, what the hell? What are you guys going to be? I thought this movie really cowarded it away

Starting point is 00:20:34 from a lot of what it could do, storytelling-wise, and then physically wise, I think Captain America, Steve Rogers version, fighting Bucky in Winter Soldier, he's going through hell. That's why the line, I can do this all day, has impact because it's a struggle. and he's still like, I can see this, I'll take, you know, like he's not going to go down.

Starting point is 00:20:56 How is this guy still around? How is he still surviving? As you fight a Hulk and is like, ah, no, I got to go check up on something else first before I go to the hospital and tend to my wounds. Like, what the hell are you doing? Why is this movie like chicken shitting itself out, man? And shit like that. And to top it off, I don't mind a messy movie.

Starting point is 00:21:18 I don't mind all that. As long as the movie can at least make it. up for it with being fun. I could go for a crap dialogue. I could go for overexposition. I could go for repetition. All those complaints I wouldn't mind if the movie didn't become kind of boring halfway through. It's like the first 30 to 40 minutes I was enjoying the political thriller side where it was going. Isaiah Bradley snapping all these setups at a mantium. Oh my God, his personal friend of him. Another Captain America, the first. Captain America who was used jailed a black man his friend and now here he is the new Captain

Starting point is 00:21:58 America trying to form his own identity as a human not Steve Rogers and all the themes and symbolisms it could have explored and the government going after this Captain America now and him being shunned and disrespectful there could have been Isaiah Bradley reflections as well that there's so much there they could have done and it's weird to be here and be here and like all we got was a really straightforward plot with a generic villain generic outcomes um the leader i agree with everything you guys said especially when it came to the leader man uh like how do you watch that to that degree where the leader is set up from a movie forever ago and this movie decides to be the sequel to that movie and then the leader is like they set up like this genius

Starting point is 00:22:49 and Zemo seems way smarter than this guy you know and I don't know it felt like plain and a rough outline we were watching and you guys seem to like walking Torres a lot more than me I don't mind the actor I think the actor's good I think all the actors

Starting point is 00:23:07 in this are good I think Anthony Mackey's good I think Anthony Mackey's a great actor and this movie does not really utilize him he deserved a better solo captain American movie with some actual characterization Walking Torres and him I think they're fine I think they're bland in chemistry though

Starting point is 00:23:25 At least the movie doesn't show it You get that one great hospital scene at the very end But the rest of the movie I don't know It feels like It feels hollow Or that they're like Then this is the scene where they need banter

Starting point is 00:23:43 This is the scene where they have chemistry Like none of it feels like a relationship like you don't feel like there's relationships with people in this in this story the best part that they illustrated the one consistency even on the directing front was i think thunderbolt ross dialogue was repetitive yeah how many times are going to tell people that his daughter's ignoring him being they won't believe it won't change like yeah it's repetitive as shit but at least it was actually like effective um that's about the only real effective thing and so yeah as a solo anthony macky first outing it's a disappointment um as a captain america

Starting point is 00:24:22 sequel it's a it's definitely number four out of the four um yeah i don't know what the bar is anymore for people i don't know what the standard is for people when it comes to these movies because when this came out reviews were shit audiences really came out in droves fuck critics er critics this this cult of critics this hive mind of critics i don't know what happened here why audiences suddenly think critics become like the council of critics and vote together how they're going to critique a film and a lot of them are just fans of the movie and like what is the bar here that audiences want now for a Captain America movie like no this is not a great movie this is like if you enjoyed it and had fun like I don't want to try to sway you from it I think

Starting point is 00:25:09 it's flaws that were so apparent that it's kind of hard to see like it's one thing to have with a very subjective experience it's another thing where there's objectively things that are really not fulfilling its potential and to me i think there's a lot of end of the day it's all subjective i have to give it that it's all subjective um some stuff really shines to me that it's not and like yeah the fighting like what you guys said it's fine at first um but it did feel like the grit of the captain american movies is a choreography is not supposed to feel like a choreography is not supposed to feel like a You know what I mean? It's the same thing with, think of it like dialogue.

Starting point is 00:25:50 A dialogue shouldn't sound like rehearsed line reading. It's supposed to sound like people having a conversation. A fight scene is supposed to feel the same way. Like characters are fighting each other. Even though, even if there's fancy choreography, it shouldn't feel like you're watching people who are doing a choreography. And that was where I think this movie failed on the fighting side with a lot of the hand-to-hand.

Starting point is 00:26:12 So, yeah, but I like the Red Hill fight. I thought that was surprisingly. It just what sucked is like it seemed like it had no physical impact on Anthony Mackey and that to me when I'm like, man, if you, if they had just that, think about that for one second. If he was struggling the entire movie, if his whole thing was I can do, even if he doesn't say I can do this all day, but if his whole time as human Captain America was I can do this all day and he's progressively getting battered and bruised, but he still keeps fighting.

Starting point is 00:26:43 so that way their fancy line of dialogue is this is the kind of human you can aspire to be it would be felt if he would actually get hurt instead of I don't know people what happened were people going how can Cantony Mackey be Captain America he's human well fucking do the movie then that shows how a human could be Captain America don't do the thing where it's like why is this guy not getting injured I don't understand what's going on yeah so yeah I thought it was a pretty, I found myself in the first half hour, 40 minutes when I'm like, oh, all right, I think I'm actually going to like this movie. Thank God. All right. Cool. But as it went, I became like progressively more disappointed with liking one thing as a constant throughout.

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Starting point is 00:29:13 everything you said I and again it goes kind of back to my point when it comes to you didn't feel the chemistry with Joaquin and Sam I think because Aaron and I just came off a falcon and winter soldiers that goes back to my point where I said it relies on you having just watched the recent stuff and because we just had that and that experience with them and again they didn't share a lot of screen time together in that but because we just had that experience with them I think it adds a lot of emotional weight that we feel with those characters coming into this. I think it helps and it hurts it because we get the memory of the experience of them having chemistry, but it then also repeats everything we know about those characters,

Starting point is 00:29:55 but adding anything new to the context. Fair. Fair enough. I just think they're fun to watch the other, but yes, I agree with that. I will say, too, Greg made a really good point that the trailer, this is my problem with trailers today. and it's like obviously when Greg asked me to do a trailer reaction I will never you can ask Greg I've never questioned and said

Starting point is 00:30:16 nah I don't want to do it I've always been here but I get scared when Greg says please do a trailer reaction because this is what happens like I actually love the buildup for Red Hulk in this movie well because I've seen the trailers I like I knew which point it was going to happen and so it kind of ruined that that buildup for me because I knew which part it was going to happen and my point is this I get it this is a business at the end of the day. You've got to promote

Starting point is 00:30:41 the film and sell it and like, Red Hulk, come see our movie. I understand for the general going audience. But that doesn't need to be ruined. Harrison Ford should be a selling point right in itself. You know what I mean? And Captain America. You got Anthony Mackey playing Captain America. And you got Harrison Ford in the film on top of other things. Let

Starting point is 00:30:57 that build up happen naturally. You don't need to show Red Hulk in the trailers. But that's my opinion on that. Yeah, if I can just add to that, I think that the reason why they started to use Red Hulk is because it leaked. Because of, you know, how people on the internet are. And because those leaks were just so insurmountable,

Starting point is 00:31:13 Marvel decided to lean into it, but ultimately that hurt the end product because we're here watching, waiting for the Red Hulk. We know the buildup is coming, but it loses its impact because we've seen it blasted all over in toys, commercials, and the trailers.

Starting point is 00:31:28 So that's just really unfortunate. But yeah, I do think it's funny that for Sam, he feels more superhuman than Steve because they don't want to show him in a state of weakness. And it just feels so strange But yeah, I think even if they don't have to say I can do this all day

Starting point is 00:31:44 Which I feel like they should have I don't think that has to be a Steve Rogers thing But I think that should just be a Captain America thing Yeah, it is unfortunate That you can come away fighting the Hulk Have rubble blown on you And walk away just fine with just a sling in your arm Like Matt Murdoch struggled more than this guy

Starting point is 00:32:01 It has in all of Daredevil And he's the most human So that it's just It's disappointing but yeah a cable movie you know put in the background don't think about it great it's a great turn your brain off movie and have a blast yeah but you know again

Starting point is 00:32:15 to your guy's point I did like the whole you know Captain America is all about hope and he will go out he will protect his friends no matter what and I did appreciate that with Isaiah I just wanted to feel more of you know the government coming after him I never felt that struggle once throughout the film

Starting point is 00:32:32 I mean they had that one scene where after they invaded the place a fucking plot point you said it right now Exactly. I remember they arrested him for 10 seconds, and then the Mr. Blue song came on. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, I guess they're after him. But I'm like, I wanted that to be. And I get that was also a big part of Civil War and a little bit of Winter Soldier. But I really, if you're going to go that route, like, fully commit or don't commit to that. Yeah. She's got a hero speech. I think, yeah. I think Harrison Ford, though, was, was amazing in this movie. And like, I would, I would chalk it up. There's a part of my. brand is like is it because i love harrison ford as an actor i'm like no i've seen harrison for movies that i don't like um and i hate a dial the destiny a lot of ways the best indian jones i found it so disappointing and and i and i love harrison ford and i i'm the

Starting point is 00:33:23 guy who likes harrison ford the older he gets so like to me this is the best he's ever been like old man harrison ford is my favorite version of him and when he i cared about him Not, not, well, I don't mean only like I was emotionally invested in him. I cared about Ross as a character. People were saying Harrison Ford is great in this movie, but I didn't know what that meant. I thought like, okay, is he like an effective villain, you know? Is he like showing up and being a stern president? This guy, I like that he was a president who was working towards reforming his personal life and trying to be good, but then old habits kept catching up to him, you know?

Starting point is 00:34:07 and I like that the stubbornness and the anger and the ego of this guy was not solely some physical thing that the leader has tampered with. It is working in tandem with a guy who's actually trying to better himself, but those past sins are catching up with him internally and manifesting into the Red Hulk. I thought he weirdly is a guy who constantly does interviews where he seems like he doesn't give his shit about the MCU he doesn't know Jack about the MCU the man at the end of the day the guy will say he does something for money but that doesn't mean he's not going to do a good job he does his job and he was so good in this movie

Starting point is 00:34:51 that it was something that I would recommend so weirdly as much as like Red Hulk was a disappointment for a lot of people because of limited time with Red Hulk in the film I'm like, well, the character of Ross is, I actually love that they advertise him a lot because he's the best part of the movie. He's actually a character who's really, and I feel weird saying that about the first movie that has a black Captain America. And it being like, the white president is the best guy in the film. But it's the script gave him significantly more to do.

Starting point is 00:35:23 Like, I like the regrets and the fear of the past catching up with him of these terrible decisions. And when he's exploding and I don't know. kind of has like too nice of a bow tie to me though uh when it all does wrap up like yeah president's a good guy he decided to go put himself in the raft and i don't know maybe that's some messaging that you know leftist disney is trying to say to do the don't trump or some false bullshit you know i i don't know like what they're really going for here um but i the fact they actually gave him a character arc and a guy who's taken accountability was nice um i i just wish there was more substance and conflict for Anthony Mackey.

Starting point is 00:36:02 I'm with you. It almost should have been called President Ross in the Brave New World. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, it's funny hearing you talk about it, I feel like just watching a man trying to reform himself in the face of all these odds

Starting point is 00:36:17 kind of giving him a point of stress. Yeah, I agree with that. I feel like it could have been a Ross-centered movie and then about this man finally cracking literally in the sense that he, becomes a Hulk right but it goes back to the struggle of when I first heard about this movie I'm like okay we're gonna have the leader in it returning we're gonna have Ross the Red Hulk

Starting point is 00:36:38 all these a Hulk centric film without the Hulk I don't know I don't know Bruce Banner is mentioned in the movie maybe he is once okay maybe a couple times a few times yeah few times but he's never like actually appears in the movie which feels so odd I'm sure but it's it's it feels odd because you would think that this parallel between what Sam's struggle should be and Ross's struggle is would be these paralleling things where these two people can see eye to eye because they have a similar struggle. But at the end of the day, because they don't do any of that, it feels like they just plucked a hero into this conflict that really had nothing to do with the hero at all, except for the fact that his friend was collateral damage in this other Hulk

Starting point is 00:37:27 villain's plot to make this other Hulk villain break and go off the edge, which is unfortunate because why would you just not give either A, the Hulk this plot, or B, give Anthony Mackey's Captain America a plot that accentuates his personal struggle without having to utilize somebody else's villain? I was wondering how this movie was going to validate its existence by having Captain America face Hulk villains, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really do that because it doesn't give Anthony Mackey the whole, Anthony Mackey, Captain America, his own personal struggle, and it

Starting point is 00:38:03 doesn't justify why he is the person to go against these problems. Yeah, things happen around Anthony Mackey and he sort of just inserts himself in it. Exactly. Yeah. I'm just like, what are we doing? And again, if you're going to have him in this film and we're not going to go into all the characterization

Starting point is 00:38:21 you're talking about, which I fully agree with what made the film so much more interesting and just would have been a good arc for him in general, I also think, too, like, just with the Isaiah stuff, like, I wanted to, again, more fully commit to him questioning the government, like, wow, Ross is just letting him rot away in a prison. So it's like, they just kind of drifted away from that. Yeah, the stroke, I like this setup of like, what does it mean to be called Captain America? And have to not be obedient to the president of the United States, you know, to be the symbol of America and president is number

Starting point is 00:38:55 one leader oftentimes is considered like most powerful one of the most powerful men not in in the country but the world and what would that mean and what kind of conflict is that and i think there's a lot that's where i feel like a lot of the reshoot stuff comes in a play where there's a lack of confidence and direction of where to take this movie so like ah it's just just can it go make it really straightforward because just do the plot and do action scenes because we don't we don't know what we're We don't really have a voice here anymore. Like, yeah, I think so much of the setup was very compelling. And it had me questioning a lot of why people weren't into this movie.

Starting point is 00:39:35 But so much as we're unpacking this, I'm going, oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Oh, yeah, that happened. Also, what was the point of the assistant girl, the ex-Black Widow? She didn't really add anything to the movie. Yeah, she was a Black Widow. Yeah, is it fun little Easter. And she had a costume, I think. They showed a costume in a jacket, but then she never fought in it.

Starting point is 00:39:54 I was like, what was the point of the costume? I thought she fought some soldiers. But you see that she had like a metal armored thing underneath. We never actually see her like use it. Yeah, because we were just teased with the costume, but she never actually like got into costume. I liked her though. Like I thought she brought something like kind of cool to the rule.

Starting point is 00:40:13 I don't know. I like watching. She's bad ass. It sounds like those virtue signaling shit I've ever said, even though I don't, I mean it in the most physical sense. I like watching. No, I mean in an intelligent sense. Like in Gen V.

Starting point is 00:40:24 fucking uh homelanders woman the black chick with the mind reading the the predictability the real leader yeah yeah yeah yeah right up i know yeah yeah like fucking hot is hell to me because of her intelligence and and i don't know there's something like really like i like how she was like so fucking tidy but i believe that she get whoop ass yeah but that was good too i agree with you but that would have been cool too if she would have started questioning too like okay but i mean i guess because she's so loyal to ross and she knows what's going on but i don't Yeah, when you're surrounded by a lot of people who are like, yes, to the president. I think he could have done something that was like shattering the belief system around this world and the country.

Starting point is 00:41:05 You're called Captain America. Be a movie that's not afraid to be talking about America. Yeah, it never commits to anything. No. It's actually getting worse before we talk about it, honestly. Like, yeah. It doesn't commit to this geopolitical conflict between about a, what's the subject? Add, the celestial hand?

Starting point is 00:41:26 The adamantium? I mean, it doesn't commit to the conflict about animantium, which could be its own struggle within a film, and it doesn't commit to the United States president versus Captain America, or how America feels about any of it. You don't really get to see that. Yeah. Yeah, and it's because the movie starts off with Captain America working with the government and where Winter Soldier starts off with Captain America working with Shield, so there's no

Starting point is 00:41:50 external force that kind of plays another character. of this you don't really really feel the spirit of what the united states government is supposed to be in this when you so it's so weird when you started i agree i fully agree when you start a movie off with the president being elected and his whole message is about unity and togetherness there really should be something that gets hit home at the end and if you're going to either bookend it with togetherness or really drive home divide you got like do so like everything that we're saying what it could have done is because not like what's the alternate movie gregg aaron and Andrew wanted to see, I'm like, the movie seems like it's presenting itself, and then it got scared.

Starting point is 00:42:30 I think that's the best way you put it, compelling setup with failing execution. Yeah. Yeah. Which guy on your hand there? I'm not going to do, I won't do trivia, because we've been going on here for a while. But what do you guys think before reshoots? What do you think the budget was? 200 million.

Starting point is 00:42:50 250. 180 million and then after reshoots. 300 million 250 350 damn all right uh really tanked huh yeah box office worldwide worldwide 450 million 350 no three flat 350 350 300 300 flat 414 million last wow this movie tanked last last one one at a time rotten tomatoes start with the critics only first ooh i mean i feel like i should say this is unfair but i really don't remember um i remember being rotten uh was it like i want to say like 43 percent i'm going to say 39 48 audience we both guess a lot lower yeah i don't know when critics come out harsh audiences are like no critics uh i would say 85 i'm gonna go 74 79 okay so kind of all right it's a b minus yeah that's pretty low that's right that's the c that's the lowest cinema

Starting point is 00:43:48 score of all the uh mcc yeah so it's not because people are racist like it's actually an all right i don't think so i doesn't really give the race argument in this i don't know i don't even think they really acknowledge it yeah but the captain america captain america captain america and also ross wants to change throughout the film i don't know if you guys know that it's a it's a meta commentary that he is a changed actor and he wants to change in the film i wish betty was an actual character in this movie yeah i was thinking that too rather than just like the the uh the instrument of his desire to change right connect yeah you see you're in one seen him

Starting point is 00:44:24 like where you been the last 16 years girl what do you've been up to i know and like you're gonna not have her here for 16 years and that's going to be the comeback we get for the character that we've all been missing a few times okay we loved it all right guys well that's our thoughts on captain america brave new world what do you guys think is it simply solely passable entertainment were you like how all the prior mcccc movies are we've become so jaded now that we're like as long as is passably entertainment. It's good. It's fun. I miss. It does not sustain a whole movie studio based around

Starting point is 00:45:01 IP. The one Marvel Studios, all they have to do is produce all they, all they can do is produce Marvel movies. So they can't just make passable entertainment. They got to make films of like that are truly going to like garner good reception in a way that's glowing. And not everyone can do that. I get it. But this, this is not a. good. Like, I know we're still getting

Starting point is 00:45:26 through, like, the old regime and getting some shit out of the way. Thunderbolts looks great to me. Yeah. I'm excited for that. But, like, Thunderbolts is tracking really low right now, which is a bummer. And I'm hoping that there haven't been too much of letdowns from MCU movies that if Thunderbolts is good,

Starting point is 00:45:42 I hope it has legs. And then, of course, Fantastic 4 will be huge regardless. I do miss the time where we all agreed, like we loved pretty much every MCU. Not like a vent. Yeah, really did? I really did in mind skipping the theaters I've seen it

Starting point is 00:45:57 I was gonna skip anyone I can't imagine a time even when we were doing this we're like I'm not skipping an MCU hell no sometimes it's like yeah I don't mind all right guys well thank you for being here I'll talk of you guys soon

Starting point is 00:46:12 I'll talk of you guys soon

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