The Reel Rejects - CIVIL WAR (2024) IS INTENSELY HAUNTING!! MOVIE REVIEW!! First Time Watching

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Starting point is 00:01:45 Yes, an eerie movie. It's uncanny and horrifying. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have watched the movie Civil War. Damn, that was a haunting experience. It was. That was a dark-ass film, dude. I was. That was a dark, contemplative, visceral experience.

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Starting point is 00:02:20 That's fun to know. Thanks, Prepar Fred, and now these highlights. Hopefully, it's public. Hey, YouTube's in this funky state now where they wait until your video is public. after sitting in the video manager for several days going all right now that's live block yeah no one gets to see this that's what you get for trying to play by the rules and do a bunch of re-edity yeah right and probably help more people discover our movie in the process thanks what are you going to do what are you going to do um well immediate thoughts john yeah i mean that was

Starting point is 00:02:54 really striking and certainly i think in a nice way a more again, contemplative experience than I think just the loaded nature. It's very pointed and I think intentionally so prospect this whole what is a modern American civil war look like and what would that movie be about

Starting point is 00:03:13 and I like at least here in this moment the approach that this took kind of taking that photography and Alex Garland is not an American. He's British I believe unless I am mistaken you can fact check me on that but I believe he's a British writer

Starting point is 00:03:29 director. What kind of American are you? An OG American. The sourdose starter that grew the whole country. Yeah, like taking this outside, this as objective as possible perspective on it.

Starting point is 00:03:47 Like obviously there's subjectivity. It's a piece of art, but it presents itself and it presents the scenario in a very what feels like a very objective kind of way like you're just the camera lens peering in on what's going on here. And I think it has some interesting just tonal ideas about, you know, the interplay between photography and journalism and, you know, the active state of conflict and war and the

Starting point is 00:04:14 fact that like there are these people out there and this is a very real profession to have, you know, and they name check a number of actual organizations and stuff. Like, you know, people who are there during these intense battles documenting what's going on so that the rest of the world has something to look at and obviously we have social media now there's a different kind of tenor that this conversation takes or it has more octopus arms but you know at the core of it all there are still people out there in these places that you just can't get to unless you have some kind of credential risking risking life and limb to just capture the moment and there's like an odd interplay there because you are there for a grand purpose and you're you know willing to risk

Starting point is 00:04:53 your life for that but there is like the sort of isolated idea of like there's your political motivation and your view of the situation and also there's just you as the photographer as the crafter of person contributing to the crafting of the narrative and the documenting of the history and obviously there's a lot of conversation about media and how those images are skewed and manipulated and even just here I think the movie in its language does a nice job to illustrate that you can get these super striking photos, and there are so many famous, famous, you know, pictures and images from conflicts that are very real.

Starting point is 00:05:36 And there's something about that, that whole idea of like, we're getting these images out to the people who should care, you know, to try and inspire, to try and enlighten everybody as to what's really going on and maybe inspire some kind of action. But also, at the same time, that picture then takes everything else.

Starting point is 00:05:53 You know, you're constantly looking at what's happening around the picture and then when the pictures happen you're like oh yeah all the everything outside of the frame ceases to exist here you know in a sense and so you can see even then the photo is a perspective even if it is just a stark snapshot of the moment it's still even it even still has some element of perspective and it's interesting like this is a movie i feel like you could sit there and chew over for you know age you could do like a whole podcast talking about this movie uh how are you feeling what did you feel about it i feel worse it doesn't make me optimistic before we started normally it's normally it's very different because i think this is one of my

Starting point is 00:06:42 favorite kinds of ways you do a political movie because the immediacy is so effective that sometimes you don't like at least for me there are times where I get, I thought I was going to walk into something where it wouldn't be effective unless I really got it. Yeah. Unless I really understood. If I've been paying enough attention. The commentary

Starting point is 00:07:04 in the moment. Yeah. Like he did annihilation, right? Yeah. I didn't understand shit about that. That's his most obtuse movie for sure. I was like, I don't know what this movie is about. Ex Machina is like way more straightforward than something like that. And I thought

Starting point is 00:07:20 we might be getting something like this. with a lot of like overt anti-Trump things and while there's some elements here that you would associate more with far right stuff um i think the immediacy of the moment of the journey is so stark and effective that i'm not even really concerned but like what are they talking about in the movie or which political slant is this coming from yeah and then and then you know sometimes if i have like an out-of-body moment or you get out of your own head for a second you start to reel or you get in your head sometimes you you kind of pick up on like what they might be actually talking about yeah um so i i think this is a surprisingly effective film that

Starting point is 00:08:03 maybe just someone who is way more politically in tune would find this to be a very overt piece yeah i personally did not i didn't i actually didn't find it to be that overt like you don't even know why texas and california are at war with each other you just know that in real life they're very different states well yeah what do they say it was texas cal California and Florida are like the independent, like, they've full on seceded from the union and you're like, are they connected with each other? Are they all fighting each other? Are they just like, you know, these separate like entities? Like, yeah, you get these like slivers of what the situation is without it fully. You know that there's America, there's California, Texas, and Florida, and they're all at odds somehow. Well, you know the conversation's also lost. Like there's so a lot of the times, especially in real world, do you get focused more on ideologies? And here, ideologies are skewed. Like, you don't really even know what the hell the stances are for, and why. That's the thing.

Starting point is 00:08:59 A lot of the why of what's going on is it's more about, like, living through the civil war that's happening. And how ideology sort of becomes replaced with survival. And that's what it's only about at a certain point. And everyone's relationship with death changes. And it reminded me of that Jack Reachery thing, too, because, like, there's that exchange in the, in the field with two sniper guys and they're like you know they boil it down to like the immediacy of the situation like what's going on we're we're trying to shoot that guy who's trying to shoot us it's not really no one's given us orders it's not about anything political yeah and it's vague enough there that

Starting point is 00:09:36 you're like well i don't know i don't know what to make of these two but there are other characters who you definitely get the sense of uh to tie it back that jack reach you're thinking about like some people go off to war for a greater purpose than themselves some people go off to war because they're I forget what the middle chunk is but the the final chunk is basically some people just want an excuse to kill and like there's that in here and there's also the sort of like when you're in the heat of battle as many war movies touch on like there's not like all the political stuff kind of fades when you're just in the heat of fire and just you're fighting for yeah life and survival and like maybe you have this greater purpose in mind but in a such a fractured scenario as is presented here. you've got to imagine that a good amount or it seems plausible that a good amount of people might just be in it for the carnage, you know?

Starting point is 00:10:31 Like it's interesting. It's an interesting like a Rorschach test movie I feel like because there's so many things they put they lace these little ideas from our current reality in but without again too much like there's that one allusion to the Antifa massacre and you're like

Starting point is 00:10:46 did Antifa massacre a bunch of people were a bunch of Antifa people massacred? What is the what is that? you know, but it sounds plausibly like an event that would play a role in a situation like this. And it leaves you the viewer to go, yeah, what would I extrapolate from that from my point of view, you know? There used to be a time where I would watch movies like this and chalk it up to like some version of sci-fi or whatever. And I honestly thought I was, you know, to me this is like a more sophisticated purge movie. I'm really into the purge films.

Starting point is 00:11:20 And those are way more, like, very obvious what they're talking about. Sure. And there's clearly a stance. And I'm a big fan of those movies. And they're under the guise of, like, a scary horror movie. But they're really, like, insanely political with a very obvious message all the time. And this one was talking on things that I am by no means an expert of. So I wrote down some sentences that hopefully I know how to expand upon as we talk.

Starting point is 00:11:56 I wrote down the cost of division and unchecked power. Sure. Sure. Journalism or exploitation of pain. And these are categories that I've certainly heard about. And I'm like, it all seems to be kind of represented more than the Jesse, not the Jesse character. Yeah, Jesse, Jesse, Jesse Plumman's character. Because this scene is so effective

Starting point is 00:12:22 And it's only one scene in that like What kind of American are you? It's such a loaded statement. Yeah. Loaded question. Like it's kind of like the thesis around the movie in a way. Yeah. And that scene I feel like is the most talked about singular element of this movie.

Starting point is 00:12:38 Is it? I thought it was it only because of how he looked and came across? It's the scariest scene. But it also has so many layers because there's elements again. I know I sound like a broken record. and I only care to share my limited point of view. I want to make it clear, like, it's a little difficult for me to talk about these things because it's one of those things where I could engage in conversation and ask a lot of

Starting point is 00:13:02 questions when I'm on my camera. I'm like, ah, well, you know, I could talk about filmmaking, but like, there's a lot about nationalism, identity policing, and militia culture as well, is that that felt like very emblematic and a little bit more one of the more obvious moments to me that are a little more associated with far right generally yeah i mean it's it plays on your expectations a number of times when you walk into these areas where people are just hanging out with big machine guns and you're like okay is this just the necessity of the here and now or do these people like yeah kind of walk it around strapped up playing sheriff well identity policy policing is uh it's very topical right now

Starting point is 00:13:49 sure and it in terrifying ways in multiple ways for a lot of americans actual americans what is the american identity at all anymore and then for what happens with the guy the two people he he executes on a on a whim tony and the other guy yeah and they're from china which is in its own way is or from Hong Kong anyway which you know is British China I believe but still you know America and China certainly have tension yeah it could have been from anywhere but yeah it's like I feel like that was sort of a pointed detail and the first war zone scene that the Jesse goes into you know that was that moment with refell I mean Jesse Plumman's scene feels like militia culture but the that scene there where they're fighting what

Starting point is 00:14:38 looks like actual soldiers yeah looks like civilians who put on some vests and fighting and yeah a lot of things that i am no uh i i don't dive too deep into but i'll have my moments late at night where i find myself diving into and i am not a that's more of what i'm trying to say i'm not consistently educating myself in the way where i would like to uh because of whatever reasons i have I mean, every, and I like that this movie shows, though, the collapse of that because a lot of it is also getting your morality in check, you know, and it's really easy to get caught up in politics and whatever and lose the, it depends side of conversation, lose the gray of conversation. And instead, it gets to a point where, yeah, what are we even fighting about now, you know? What is it even happening? well yeah and then like only the only thing you really hear from the president is just this

Starting point is 00:15:38 continual proselytizing about how we're this close to victory and you know and you're like triumphed one yeah yeah yeah and I think again it's very pointedly sort of not fleshing out too many of the specific things because I think it's probably part of the point of this piece that yeah once you get into a certain level of depth into you know dysfunction and civil unrest this way like yeah it almost doesn't matter what the politics are because it's this you know this this this like tide of violence that keeps coming in and out and could strike anywhere and it's like we live in a world already where violence could happen more it feels like more than ever violence especially like devastating massacre style violence can happen kind of anywhere anytime

Starting point is 00:16:25 and especially in like this kind of civil war scenario with the kind of machines we have now and the kind of means we have now, like, you know, yes, there would be shortages of certain things, but it also makes all this like ruthlessly efficient and really, again, stark and it's like the cost, the toll is like really easy to rack up. I feel like easier than in past generations to rack up, just the amount of damage and, yeah, and the depth at which you can lose yourself to just this, yeah, military state that you live in now, this whole country, this military state of a country that is presented here. And it feels like a big goal of the movie

Starting point is 00:17:03 to kind of do what it against... Like, this is a narrative piece of fiction, but it seems like what it wants to do is the, again, sort of role of the journalist being like, in this fictional semi-sci-fi dystopian environment, we're just going to show you

Starting point is 00:17:21 what could happen in the very near future, you know, and then that gives it the eerieness. It's like, ooh, this feels very easily plausible or... if not contextually like oh this will happen tomorrow still like the way it is realized

Starting point is 00:17:36 and what it is showing you it's all stuff that exists now it's all stuff that if you remix society a little bit would absolutely probably look just this way it's more of a magnifying glass movie yeah and so it's like it's going we're just going to present this to you

Starting point is 00:17:50 unfiltered so to speak in the in the guise of being this sort of unfiltered peering in on a situation and it's up to you the audience to kind of feel the emotion of it and to take that and turn it into something, you know. Yeah, but I can't see how this is a movie one would not get.

Starting point is 00:18:09 It's pretty straightforward. I don't think it would fly over anybody's head because it's, yeah, it's not asking you to understand the, and I think too, to make this movie feel more timeless, it's probably smart not to make it like two down the rabbit hole of specific political events and talking points of our here and now because I think it's a collective, I think, you know, more than ever, you know, we've always been divided and especially having a country that is predicated largely on a two-party system, which is already hazardous terrain. It always feels like, and obviously we're a country with a very momentous and monumental civil war to our history once already. So it's the thing that I think, no matter what side of the line you're on, you imagine being a possibility and you're kind of anxious about the prospect of. I feel like we've all entertained.

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Starting point is 00:20:56 too thank you liquid ivy well i love it on on even a filmmaking on a pure filmmaking level yeah you know Alex garland is an amazing writer and he does that thing in here where it consistently looks beautiful and at times looks really cool like the finale looked awesome it was an awesome scene yeah despite how unsettling and and and and raw it felt and not me too like the book ends of this R starts off right on Nick Offerman, giving a speech in the White House, and it starts, it ends with him dead in the White House.

Starting point is 00:21:33 Want to go from like this, this close up, this like super long, beautiful looking like professional, like, oh, you're in the press room. This is state of the art lensing of the moment.

Starting point is 00:21:44 Then to just the, the, like, nitty gritty black and white photo at the end is like such a, going from a clearly digital image to an analog image. It's fascinating. And to go from,

Starting point is 00:21:56 a speech to a sentence. Yeah, to a plea. Yeah, from an impassioned speech designed to rouse people's, you know, collective patriotism to, please just don't kill me. And to watch the character of Jesse essentially become the new Kirsten Dunst or

Starting point is 00:22:15 Lee. Yeah, to become the new, to become the new Lee is tragic. It's a tragic scene. And I think Kirsten Dunst is incredible in this film. Yeah, man, she killed it. Like everybody, the ensemble. And that was one of those things, too, where I was like, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:22:33 I expected a movie that would be striking and permeating. But I'm glad that I was endeared to our core for, and especially, most especially, Kirsten Dunst. Yeah, Kirsten Dunst, you could tell she's jaded. Yeah. You tell she's hollow. But you could also tell her so much underneath that of years of experience. yeah of the torture of everything they've gone through but she's not the she's a different illustration of the of the journalists you know every journalist kind of presents something a little

Starting point is 00:23:02 bit different the sammy how would you describe sammy because like the other one um joel is you know clearly a little bit of a thrill seeker and then you got sammy as like a little more on the hopeful side in spite of the years of all this shit and then that hope is like stripped upon his death it's weird yeah between sammy and and and the Lee you get these and Sammy is is an older character with that much more experience but it is an interesting Ian and Yang because yeah she is kind of burdened with the purpose of this and he certainly has a bit of that but seems much more sort of like I've lived through a good amount of things and you know he seems like a character who is motivated by humanity in part to do this and I'm

Starting point is 00:23:49 not to say that the Lee character wouldn't or doesn't have that motivation but he seems like one of those guys who has sort of accepted that this is the world we live in and you can kind of guess at what his motivation would be or why he started to do this um but you know being that again he's an older character too you have to imagine he would have known a different version of society perhaps before this collapse and has more time in that version of the world to kind of remember what it is we're fighting for and stuff like like yeah he seems like a more hopeful character but he also seems like a seasoned and not as jaded but certainly somebody who has seen a lot and who has taken a lot from that taking a lot of knowledge and perspective from that but yeah if somehow

Starting point is 00:24:34 has managed to hold on to his humanity which again yeah I don't know exactly I wonder if it has to do it like because they keep coming back to like you're old and you're fat and like you're not and like that puts you in a different cast among people like you're seen as a different kind of presence maybe not as much of a threat or whatever so like you know it makes you guess at the experience like i like that i wouldn't have expected to have characters in this movie that i did latch on to and i'm kind of like curious and thinking in my own mind about oh i wonder what happened to them and maybe it was this or that you know that put them in these positions and i thought that they were it's like it's conscientious for a movie to have yes the the especially jaded

Starting point is 00:25:15 kind of detached one the more like crazy wild thrill seeking one the new newbie and then like the avuncular sort of warm older presence like all those are good archetypes and and they give a nice rounding to our eyeline perspectives but they also felt like real i've never met a bunch of war photographers but from this perspective it seemed like people you might plausibly meet in this position and even if they're not fully attenuated to each other's way of doing things or each other's sort of resting vibes like there's something about the four of them that can work together that i mean you know the uh jesse is new but you know the rest of them you kind of get it even though it's not really spoken about um and yeah like having that i liked

Starting point is 00:26:01 uh the presence of sammy quite a bit and i was really bummed when he died uh because yeah he just seemed like a character who had that old school kind of experience meets not optimism but yeah just sort of like there's something about sometimes like folks from the older school where like even if they're hardened they might not have always lot and it can be the opposite but they might have found a way to hold on to that little sliver of warmth and the fact that he goes out like during the ember scene at least in my own little head cannon kind of compliments that idea it's like he goes out in one of the most warm of beautiful sequences and and something that really encapsulates the sort of surreal vision of this movie where like half the time you're in

Starting point is 00:26:43 these beautiful environments and like even the violence at moments and even like natural violence like a forest burning down kind of takes on its own hypnotic bordering on beautiful quality even if it is like horrifying you know yeah yeah the arc with the arc with jesse it had dawned on me that early on in their first scene jesse it's kind of telegraphing the ending um because i i i guess I should have seen the coming is that in the beginning Lee saves Jesse and while Lee is taking photos of the dead Jesse takes a photo of Lee at the very beginning oh god and then at the very end she's take it's like foreshadowing she's going to be taking the photo of her yeah upon her death that is such an ugly moment you're like no because it's the second time she's saved sure yeah it's like no concern about saving her yeah just take the photo and it comes on this on the heels of like you're watching the sequence where you're like oh man she's like getting into the rhythm she's like you know anticipating the shots and in that moment she steps beyond the anticipation

Starting point is 00:28:05 too far but it's a bit of an arc for her too because for kirsten dunce because she doesn't she lets herself care and she makes the choice to save her instead of taking the photo of jesse Yeah. She could have taken the photo of Jesse. And it's that thing of like, in this, they have that conversation about like, there are a lot of worse ways Sammy could have gone out. And in this world, it seems like you have to kind of think about how you might want to die. And in that moment, you're like, this is so tragic. This could have been avoided.

Starting point is 00:28:36 And yet, for this character's arc, it's kind of beautiful because it's like she's literally looking out for her younger self. This is going to turn this younger self-cipher into the. current version it's going to leave a lot of trauma but it's also going to leave her alive and what does that say for our future yeah what does that say for the next generation things don't really ever change the cycle that's what this movie made me think about what i was trying to say earlier is that after watching some movies from like the 90s and stuff where i go whoa they were talking about things that are happening today and it's worse the more things change the more things stay the same it's weird how there's like

Starting point is 00:29:17 art pieces that are telling you here's the road we're headed down yeah here's what's happening and then you watch a movie and you're like well that was entertaining and i get your message and point uh but you know it's heightened this is heightened it's a movie yeah and and then and then real life happens and you you wait a few years could be a decade could be two you're like holy shit that movie was saying it what was going to happen was ahead of It's done. And it happened. And it's kind of been happening like that for a while in life for many, many, many, many, many years before we were ever born. And this to me is that, you know, it's hard for me to not feel like, that it feels like we're headed there. You know, like, I don't even kind of. I'll be totally honest. Definitely feels like we're headed there. And I know the conversation of like there's a lot that you can easily chalk up to. you know america's always been divided there was already there was a civil war uh this is this is a repeat this is how things always go things always go this way it's easy to say that and ignore the

Starting point is 00:30:30 warning signs of a true tragedy that we're headed down this isn't fear mongering this is a real thing of be cautious and you know get a get get a um what do you need when you travel internationally. Oh, a passport. Get a passport. Well, yeah. It gets those Canadian dollars and a passport. Well, and too, I mean, if you want to zoom out even further, like, you know, this is the story of all of mankind forever, you know, is like everywhere, you know, Earth is a big civil war a lot of the time, you know, countries have them, but also just we're always fighting each other.

Starting point is 00:31:11 And we're not that old. And we're not that as a country, we're not that old. We're not that old and forget that. And as like a species on the terms that we're on now, we're not that old. And yeah, there's so much that's so young about us. And yet, throughout all of human existence, we've been fighting each other and abusing and maiming each other. And there are always new systems to do it under. But yet it keeps happening.

Starting point is 00:31:34 We're always trying to get to a place where we don't have to do this anymore. And it seems like the most impossible riddle to answer. And I love the, you go through the horror of everything. It is a horror movie to me You go through the horror of everything And Like it's opening moments Where the president's given

Starting point is 00:31:53 A very patriotic speech And you're cutting to the cruelties of war The cruelties of what this patriotic speech It's underneath it all It's on the backs of yeah And then right then and there They take the photo When it looks like a glorious moment

Starting point is 00:32:06 Of like killing the Maudin You know Yeah And the dangers of of uh we're like you know what's really underneath patriotism and how we use patriotism to mask ugliness yeah to feel better and to and to yeah and to ease away the the horrors and the things that leave your soul ever changed even by just being complicit in them that doesn't mean be anti-american that's the point is like to be it doesn't mean you're we're anti-american it's like

Starting point is 00:32:39 there's but there's there's levels to it that where yeah it could be bad it could be dangerous and it could be it could be used as a as a mirage towards something else you know it could be a distraction actually yeah most every country or society is like an ever-growing work in progress or de-progress yeah yeah you know and yeah and yeah like to take a portrait like this doesn't seem like yeah anti or pro anything It's sort of just like you said earlier, the cautionary tale of like, this is a possible outcome. If you would like to avoid this, you know, in mass, you know, let's reflect on who we are and why and how. Because, yeah, like, you know, something like this too.

Starting point is 00:33:27 I remember when it was coming out. There was a bunch of just, you know, and obviously smart to have this drive the conversation. But yeah, what kind of movie is this? This is going to be some kind of liberal dystopian nightmare or some kind of, you know, Super conservative, you know, neo-thriller with, you know, questionably ick politics or something. But it's, yeah, it's something wholly different than that. And it's worse than either because I think if it took like one very specific POV, you could just get stuck on the surface way easier than just the primal knowledge of like, ooh, like, oh, it's too close to home, you know. Especially when you have the president here in the opening scene.

Starting point is 00:34:06 I thought, okay, are we going to walk into the, yeah, the dangers. of unchecked power authoritarianism and the president's not really even in the movie you know it's not even about him it's not about him it's about like how we are yeah how we operate how we evolve and how we respond and how we react

Starting point is 00:34:23 there's so much about us and that's what that's kind of like it's hurting my head like I'm having a hard time keeping my eyes open the more we're talking because it's like this is this draining you know it is and then by the end in my eyes yeah yeah when it's saying it and in the movie's language it's an

Starting point is 00:34:39 interesting ping on the idea that yeah like a president is only one person and and even though he's often the one uh to make whatever rousing patriotic speech it's like it's so many other people doing the nitty gritty work and like hey there are certainly some presidents who have major character but you know to end on this moment of like this figurehead who can be responsible for so much division and so much ruckus out in society is just one kind of pitiful human yeah you know And even in that moment, like a lot of people would say, please don't kill me. We probably all would. But like, yeah, for the position that you're thrust into and the power that you're

Starting point is 00:35:15 supposed to exude, it does make an interesting statement on the fact that, yeah, like, this place is just a building and this is just a guy, you know, and that's kind of bleak because you remember how thin all the, you know, gears that run society are because it is just, all of society is just one big experiment of us making an agreement and trying to kind of stick to it. and there are certain, you know, ways of enforcing that or not, but it's all a real messy work in progress. How are we going to do? Have a civil war, of course.

Starting point is 00:35:49 All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for being on this journey with us. We watch Civil War. How are you feeling? Which state are you going to? California, Texas, or Florida? Are you staying in the union? What kind of American are you?

Starting point is 00:36:03 What kind of American are you? Oh, God. your thoughts down below take some pictures talk with you guys soon thanks guys

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