The Reel Rejects - COLLATERAL (2004) MOVIE REACTION!! First Time Watching!!

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Starting point is 00:00:37 for sponsoring this video. More on them in just a bit. Roxy. Yeah. How you feel? You're ready? Yeah. Hell yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:49 I don't want to be collateral damage. I want to be collateral ready. We're collateral ready. Let's go. Oh, man. We did it, guys. We went through the godlet. We saw the meaning of collateral.

Starting point is 00:01:10 If you liked, collateral, give us five stars on Apple and Spotify. Roxy. How are you feeling? She's reading. She's in it. um how am i feeling uh i think that the movie was really good really good it took i i didn't know what what kind of movie or where we were going with this um great performances interesting story loved how it all tied together uh great direction really smart like not many notes man really good job

Starting point is 00:01:53 yeah it was good I guess Mark Ruffler actually did die. Yeah. Or he didn't. Maybe we don't know. I do like I kind of want to see collateral too. Like what's the resolution of this? Was Jamie okay?

Starting point is 00:02:07 It's just his trial. You know, uh, in America, we are equal and very kind to black men who take the gun of a cop. So I'm sure he was totally fine. Yikes. That's exactly what we are. Super kind. Super understanding. Definitely going to hear him out.

Starting point is 00:02:24 just patiently but you're right at least he has a good lawyer because we know he's in a neat one yeah man look at that cast that was peterberg snacked wow really really good really great cast daniel berry that was his name oh i got to go look up some of these people um what did you think you like the movie yeah yeah i thought it was really good i thought that the style of it was super engaging and kind of the chaotic nature of the shifting between how it was shot with its different with it focusing and coming out of focus and then us going from different music styles, whether it would be the score itself,

Starting point is 00:03:06 for being the different needle drops kind of match the chaotic energy of the movie itself. I thought it was really cool seeing Tom Cruise in a role. I'm not necessarily accustomed to seeing him in because I'm more used to seeing him through cultural osmosis, being like the A-list hero, so seeing him in more of an antagonistic role was great.

Starting point is 00:03:28 He's really good at it. Yeah, this was a totally different kind of role for him. It was very cool. Yeah, a very fascinating character. Like this guy who kind of cared about Jamie Fox but was also very much about his job. He's pretty pessimistic, but was attentive to like the smaller things.

Starting point is 00:03:44 It was a very interesting kind of character. Yeah, and I think because it's Tom Cruise and Jamie Fox, I thought that this was going to be a buddy movie of some kind. I did not know that they were going to be opposing forces and watching Tom Cruise be like this guy who's got his own code but clearly is the bad guy of the movie

Starting point is 00:04:05 but at times because it's Tom Cruise you're sitting wondering like is it possible that everybody he is killing is a horrible person and that he's actually somehow going to win Jamie over and they're going to team up together it's not the direction the movie goes in I'm glad that it didn't, but because it was Tom Cruise's the cast,

Starting point is 00:04:23 I was like, how are we going to get him to be the good dude? And we didn't. So I thought that was a really smart choice. And also, at one point I turned to you and I was like, when are we going to get Jada back? And then I was thinking to myself, is it going to just be a stinger where he calls her to take her on a date? That doesn't make sense.

Starting point is 00:04:40 We built up her character. I really want to see her. So I just thought that was a really, really smart way to bring her back in. Very impressed by the script. Yeah, the movie did a little bit of foreshadowing. Because when he was going down the escalator, he showed him looking at her going up the escalator. So we had to figure there's some sort of connection and tie back into it.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Yeah, because of the crazy stuff that happens. And you see Jamie Fox's character really come into his own and the ideological differences between the two characters about him wanting to a better feature of himself, him dreaming of a better day, whereas Tom Cruise is more pessimistic and more looking at like a wider lens scope of the world and the universe. and like the indifference of human life, whereas, you know.

Starting point is 00:05:25 But he's not indifferent about human life because he brings up Rwanda. You know, he brings up, he brings up genocide. He brings up, and he doesn't kill Jamie, which I know he needs him, but he, it was, that's interesting. And he didn't kill his mom when he could have. So he just had very weird specifics. Well, the thing you said about Rwanda was to highlight the fact that what's one guy here, why do you care about this guy, but not all the people that are in Rwanda kind of suffering

Starting point is 00:05:49 and dying every day just because it happened in front of you like what's you don't think he cared about human life at all i think that he acknowledged human life i feel like he was so aware and indicted with with human suffering that he was kind of numb to it at that point so it's like one life versus this life we're all we're all animals in this world so i'm just doing a job i have a different take on that yeah i have a different take than you do on that you feel like he cares about people i mean not clearly not all the people i think that he's like this is my job and he justifies it to himself but it's not like

Starting point is 00:06:22 when we were going down the halls he shot everybody he possibly could which makes me think that he did have like certain codes and it's about the amount of people or oh yeah Chris Cornell Shadow on the Sun

Starting point is 00:06:37 that's what I thought of the song was thank goodness and Tom Merle I just think that he yeah I think that he was pointing out Rwanda to point out yes of course the not only the ignorance

Starting point is 00:06:51 but the like what's it called when you're not acting of who you are you know what I mean like the word congruence or like no no

Starting point is 00:07:02 dissonance I guess like when you're saying that you care about humans but you don't mourn for certain humans you know it's a trick that politicians use often it's about like what aboutism right like you're upset about this one man

Starting point is 00:07:15 what about everybody in Rwanda and it's like what so I do see you're saying there where he is trying to kind of distract and improve his point. But at the same time, I do think that he did have certain attachments to certain people and he did care while you are here. Like he was interested in having a longer conversation with this with Daniel. You know, he didn't just walk in and kill him. Could have. He like wanted to hear his story, which is kind of like toying with him, but does show that he he's intrigued. He's asking questions to Max in the car. He want him to call the girl so he he does have there is something there it's not like just like a

Starting point is 00:07:53 crazy person who doesn't give crap who lives who dies and what kind of life they live there there was something more to it's why i think it was a little more interesting so you don't think he was the sociopath i didn't say that but the socio definition of sociopath isn't not caring about human life no was that psychopath isn't that like like emotionally indifference uh you would have to look it up why do is your point okay but if he is you did i don't feel like that's responding to what i know because i feel like he if he he's if he's a sociopath he's someone who's willing to have a conversation with people can acknowledge human life but it doesn't affect what he does one way or another i don't think his actions are reflective of how he feels about human life

Starting point is 00:08:44 think he can acknowledge facts and history and have an appreciation for those things. But when it comes to making decisions, it's sort of indifferent for him. Like he didn't care about those guys that stole a suitcase. He's going to shoot them regardless. He just does what he has to do. I heard your thought. We just have different opinions on it. I'm curious about it.

Starting point is 00:09:04 I want to examine like the way we kind of view it differently because I think it's interesting. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't have more to say on it. Okay. That's just how I feel. I feel that it would have been really easy to make him somebody who kills everybody, couldn't care less about anybody.

Starting point is 00:09:23 But they didn't. They gave him more layers than that. Yeah, he was definitely complex. I think appreciating having this specific character, meet a guy like this and how they sort of impact each other for like the perfect coupling was what made this movie great because they're both phenomenal in their roles. Yeah, for sure. I appreciated him sort of calling Jamie Fox's character kind of out on his bullshit a little bit

Starting point is 00:09:50 because he told his mom he's already doing this, like already doing the limo business. She didn't know what he actually did. But she told Jada Pinkett's character that that's what he was working up to. That was his dream, right? Yeah, well, he couldn't lie to her. She was in the cab. Well, he could technically lie to her. She would have known he's in the cab.

Starting point is 00:10:09 He doesn't have the limo business when he's in the cab. cab but he said he's working up to the little more business right what's going on so he's saying that so with his mom why would he not be dishonest to his mom because she's in the hospital she can't see that he's in a cab but why would she why would he want to lie to his mom about the fact that he's in a cab I was only responding man to the fact that you said that he's lying to one not to the other and I'm saying he couldn't lie to pink to jada pink it he can't lie to her because she's in the cab but he can lie to his mom because she can't see it so i think he he lied to his mom because if i got the sense from that scene that no matter

Starting point is 00:10:49 what he did she didn't really like even though we saw a little bit of their relationship i feel like it told a lot about you know their dynamic you know she kind of puts him down doesn't really care of for she he he's like seeking her approval at least that's what i got from it like she's didn't care about things yeah she's in care about the things like the flowers you talk you do this thing where you talk about me like i'm not in the room so he has to do things that things to impress her, like tell her that he's like this businessman that has this guy, has this, things already running. Rejectation, summer's coming up fast, which means we've got beach days, hikes, maybe one or

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Starting point is 00:14:23 about the the business i'm going to have and like um while i'm doing this on the side but i've been doing this for 12 years so i think he was like if you're going to do it do it that's kind of that's that's why i take away from that yeah i think that's a fact that's definitely for sure that's what happened that was the plot of it like that he was telling her one thing and that it was actually another and we hear about not having friends and we hear about um the relationship with the dad um and yeah of course yeah for sure i don't know i was just highlighted that i thought i was interesting you like the relationship the mom and his uh you got it added to me too i thought it added some character to him i thought it added some depth to him and i thought that that

Starting point is 00:15:09 seeing his interaction with him and his encouragement of caring about his mother also added depth to Tom Cruise's character. Because like with Tom Cruise caring out. Maybe he's not a sociopath because he just have like little things that he does care about. And it seemed like he

Starting point is 00:15:25 cared about Jamie Fox because he believed in this concept of of like cosmic alignings. Yeah I'm not super well versed with the terminology, the exact definition of sociopath or psychopath. I know that that that's something you're you're super interested in so definitely yeah look it up but for me i was just more

Starting point is 00:15:43 interested like him as a character and how we didn't know what he was going to do because there were things he cared about and we even see it with when max comes in he doesn't shoot max immediately he says max and max shoots him yeah i guess sociopath can be um determined by lack of empathy aggression deceitfulness impulsiveness manipulation so i'm like i guess Some of those apply to him to a degree. Does it impact your feeling on the movie whether he is or is not a sociopath? I don't know if it impacts. I think it's just an observation.

Starting point is 00:16:26 I think he's just, I don't know. I'm very into like psychology and deconstructing people. But you're, so if he is or isn't, though, does that make you like or dislike the movie anymore? Just kind of like. um does it make me like or dislike the movie anymore I don't know if I've thought about it in that terms but I guess it'd make me

Starting point is 00:16:45 like it more if he is technically a sociopath but he does have these more these elements of humanity that kind of contradict what you typically associate with being a sociopath so I think just take it that way then if you like it better like that just make it that for you yeah he's a lasagna of a character

Starting point is 00:17:01 you got layers yeah cool Yeah. Also, before we watched the movie, we saw that when I was looking it up with Gregory, he was showing me that Jamie Fox was nominated the same year. He was nominated for the Oscars for Collateral and Ray, and he won for Ray in the same year. Huh. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's a significantly more challenging performance than this is. I'm a little surprised to hear he was nominated for this, not because he wasn't great in this, but just because I don't know. that the role called for that yeah not necessarily also you like I don't know that he was the standout of this

Starting point is 00:17:45 and I don't know that this movie was really like going for that it was a dramatic action thriller but obviously Ray is like just a truly incredible performance so yeah I feel like between the two actors performances of anyone was going to get nominated I feel like it would have been Tom Cruise though generally I feel like this doesn't scream Oscars

Starting point is 00:18:06 say but yeah they both they both played their characters perfectly I just don't know that either role is very like Oscar Beatty yeah also why is this man gray they had no reason for this man to have gray hair it's the end when he says you know

Starting point is 00:18:22 one day when you do this he's giving Jamie the speech and he's like and then you're going to be old one day and regret blah blah blah I was like oh so that's they did it because they're trying to make him old but they didn't do they made his his facial hair gray and his hair gray but they didn't add wrinkles to him or anything.

Starting point is 00:18:39 I mean, he looks like he is a 40-year-old who went gray. He doesn't look older. He just looks like a 40-year-old who has gray hair. So I don't know. Maybe you just wanted something a little different. Maybe you wanted to be lost in the role a little bit more. But it's really hard. Tom Cruise's delivery is so Tom Cruise all the time.

Starting point is 00:18:58 That never really am I listening to him thinking like, wow, he completely. I lost him completely. Jamie is more of a chameleon to me. um it well probably because he's an unbelievable impersonator too so he just he's really able to kind of like completely shift yeah the only time i ever felt like tom cruise kind of transformed was les groseman tropic thunder yeah a lot of people will reference that and totally and that's when like that's for the comedic aspect of it and he just like really let go of the ego and just performed um i think tom cruise is an unbelievable performer not just actions

Starting point is 00:19:36 star but actor but it's not like the gray hair made me be like who is that you know right as opposed to like slick back hair with ruffalo i was like whoa who is that or something about jamie just the way that he sinks into something um i'm not thinking the whole time like that's jamie yeah yeah i i thought jade so well too she's great because yeah this is 2004 he robert janeiro and alpachino that's 2000 oh that's uh the 90s right um um I don't know. I don't know, actually. I didn't see it until later in life.

Starting point is 00:20:12 I actually went to go see Michael Mann speak for he was doing a 30-year anniversary of Heat. So that was like 10, that was maybe like eight years ago. So movie's probably like 38 years old. So in the 80s maybe. He is a 95. 95. Also, maybe I went to the 25 year anniversary or something. Okay.

Starting point is 00:20:34 But it was really cool to hear him speak. beak on it. I went and saw the movie in Westwood and Michael gave like the intro to it which is very cool. I just think he's such, he's specific director. He knows exactly what his vision is. He knew like what needed to be in

Starting point is 00:20:52 frame, in focus, not. His coloring is really unique. A lot of blue in this movie which I thought was really cool. Very LA 2000s vibe. Even though obviously he's not fully in charge of music. His music's selection was really cool too especially for this time especially for this location uh yeah i think

Starting point is 00:21:12 he's a phenomenal director really really good yeah i thought it was great too i the only movies that i can think of off the top of my head or this and heat and i reacted to heat with john like sometime last year you did yeah yeah what you think it was great i loved it i i think i really like this movie but i think i loved heat so i prefer heat to this as well um and watching this it's like it's weird because when we ended, I was like, I really liked this, but it didn't stand out to me. Like, this isn't a movie that I feel like I'm going to reference all the time. And I end up referencing Heat constantly. Yeah, because it didn't have a lot of those moments, but it was still good.

Starting point is 00:21:49 It was still strong. It was weird because it's like it's very plot-driven with elements of character in it, where I feel like something like Heat is both character-driven and plot. And has a lot more moving parts. So, yeah, but again, this is still a great movie. I understand why people really like it. Tom Cruise is great. Jamie Fox is great.

Starting point is 00:22:10 All the acting, all the action scenes are great too. The vibe overall. I love the love for L.A. Appreciate that. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. All right. Do you have any final thoughts?

Starting point is 00:22:20 No, glad we watched it. I mean, this is a movie that's spoken about, so, and we had never seen it. So now we're part of the Collateral Club. Now we've seen Collateral. We're part of the club. All right, you guys. Thank you so much for watching. We love you.

Starting point is 00:22:33 And we'll see you in the next one. Duceus.

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The Reel Rejects - COLLATERAL (2004) MOVIE REACTION!! First Time Watching!!

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