The Reel Rejects - DAREDEVIL BORN AGAIN Episode 6 Breakdown & Review

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Hey, Reject Nation, I'm a little bit embarrassed and sad, frankly, to be doing this at the top of the video. We put out a message that reached over like a million views at this point, so I feel like I have to say this, that we would be having a WonderCon panel, and unfortunately, we're not going to anymore. It came down to a simple person in charge of booking, forgot to hit send, and then we lost the slot. We thought it was already done, and apparently not. I'm sorry because so many of you guys have messages on YouTube, on Patreon, on our social media, that you're going to be coming out to see us and it's really exciting. Yeah, I'm bummed that we're not going to be able to do it.

Starting point is 00:01:41 I'm sorry for those who wanted to go to WonderCon to see us. There's still going to be plenty of other amazing talent and panels that are going to be going on there. So it's still going to be a wonderful time. But to those who messages us directly, I'm sorry. I just wanted to let you know that. Thank you so much for being willing to drive all the way out and come see us, though. next time we are going to be at a con we will get extra extra extra confirmation before we say anything we were just so excited to share that moment and experience with you guys and I'm sorry we don't

Starting point is 00:02:10 get a habit this Saturday but there will be other opportunities in the future thank you for understanding and onto the video I guess thank you to Heel for sponsoring this video more on them in just a bit all right we're going to get into it guys let's go Uh-oh. Maybe she finds, Frank. I love how, like, horror movie Boogie Man that whole sequence was. It's Soledan. I'm sorry to call you Soled. No, no, no, Soledat. It's fine. What's going on?

Starting point is 00:02:52 It's Angela. She still hasn't come home. That's not like her. Has she been in touch with you? I'm worried. I'm just so worried. She's never done this before. Put it on the suit. It's okay. Just stay where you are. He was able to predict that it can be in the tunnels. Come on. You can feel it. Put the suit on. It's happening.

Starting point is 00:03:10 There's the music. Put the goddamn suit on. Call Frank. Call Frank and be like, let's do this, buddy. He's trying to stop it. Nope. Nope. Don't do it. Yeah. The man made a choice. The horn on me.

Starting point is 00:03:28 foggy oh that is symbolic the penance he put his penance of the devil on foggy and now he's yeah i wish we saw him like put it on or something yeah wish to be on a suit up see oh the devil oh that yell uh glad of a range that damage did get her damn oh nikes i don't know if she's gone yet though i don't think she's not god she can't be no no no no she's still alive i was taken to the layer I just meant, oh, like he got her. Is that a body over there? I can't tell.

Starting point is 00:04:06 I think it's all David Mackart, the actual art. Who's the artist that did the Jessica Jones title sequence? Oh, cool. A big, he created a lot of characters, including Echo. He's fantastic. He does a lot of dare double art. Oh, wow. He's a good one.

Starting point is 00:04:17 Oh, my gosh. Oh. I like the detailing of the suit. That's all makeshift and the staples in it. Oh, my. Oh, Jesus Christ, just a head? I think they were like hooked victims. Yeah, I didn't see a lower half though.

Starting point is 00:04:33 Like a Texas chainsaw. First person. Oh, please, don't get there before the needles. Oh, Jesus Christ. I mean, I imagine she's going to put her unconscious, right? Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha. Matt, please, hurry, God. Oh, it's Fisk.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Oh, does Fisk find this? Is it going to Adam? This is Adam, isn't it? Oh, it's got to be. You're right. It's the same cut, though. It threw me. It's the same shot from before.

Starting point is 00:05:09 Yep, you're right. You guys in your over predictions. Oh, it's Lopochi. Did you say this is a buddy yours? Yeah, like a acquaintancy friend. He's a great actor. I'm glad to see him in this. Take him out with an axe?

Starting point is 00:05:22 It seems that way. I can imagine that Vanessa would like for me to let you go thank you stupid he has an axe I don't think you can see it's in mind but that's a difficult thing for me to do how we are locked together our experience shared meaning her I was younger smaller I went up against men three times my size he's gonna give him the axe i think he is i think you're right a simple tool it can be a great equalizer he wants a challenge yeah good good call coy oh this is going to be brutal how we're going to intercut between the two oh oh jesus i hope we can answer why like why he does

Starting point is 00:06:25 this. What exactly his ritual is? Yeah. The red in his eyes with the reflection. Yeah, yeah, for sure. When you can see the subway lights going out. Yeah, it was cool. Red is coming.

Starting point is 00:06:40 Yeah. Let's go. Hallway fight. Yeah. Yeah, you're not a fighter. Yeah. Woo. Woo.

Starting point is 00:06:57 Woo! Oh. Amazing. Yeah. Oh, the mask fits him better now, too. Oh, I love the intercutting between the two.

Starting point is 00:07:12 Bro, you're now malnourish. You don't have it. Woo. Oh. Oh. Damn. He's a good dive there.

Starting point is 00:07:22 You're a little pump. Oh. Damn. Oh, wow. This is pretty good hand-to-hand. Yeah. Where's going to out of a fight guy?

Starting point is 00:07:32 Oh, man. Jesus. Oh, shit. Wow. The camera works more akin to the original show. Come on, Lou. This is going to be just gross. This is brutal.

Starting point is 00:07:47 Gross is coming. Oh, nice dodge, fish. Oh, and the paintings right behind, too. How do you get out without? Yeah. Oh, nice. Upgrade. Oh,

Starting point is 00:08:05 Whoa. Whoa. Oh. Ooh. Oh. Oh. Hell no. Come on, bro.

Starting point is 00:08:15 Nice. He smiled. Teeth grind. Yeah. He's one. He's missing. We're going to just walk in like the turpenter. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:43 What's it going to be gross. You be gross. Oh, this is great. the same coin yeah oh yeah hang him you're gonna hang him matt the difference is one will kill and the other won't but he's got he would save a lot of lives by doing this but goes against his code honor white tiger yep he chose to save instead

Starting point is 00:09:20 now that established st hives as a judge in the midst of his brother and making him a friend an advocate of the poor are you going to let him get away why is in a session steadfast in the pursuit of justice did you kill him through christ our lord lives in rames with you in the unity of holy spirit that is not good for you god did you let meuse get away it's kind of kill him just do it again go good oh much better definitely laid out

Starting point is 00:09:54 some fiscy business on him yeah you would have heard him get away you just let it happen though yeah I think he was just so focused on resuscitating her it wasn't worried about it

Starting point is 00:10:06 it's okay I'm here I'm here well he made his wife a promise right I'm here I wonder if she knows we're back baby

Starting point is 00:10:17 good call again good call again by my fellow geekjacked episode six of the devil. Yep, and let the devil out. I said it at the beginning of episode five he would wear it in the next week. But I parallel to six.

Starting point is 00:10:31 Oh, boy gets the credit. I literally said it. And Greg gets the beginning of five. And Greg too. And Greg too. He did also say it'd be a one two Punisher episode. I didn't see punishing these two episodes.

Starting point is 00:10:42 Yeah. But I said he would wear it in the next episode. At the beginning of five. Good call, Greg. that was an amazing I skimmed the footage to make sure I was right before we filmed

Starting point is 00:10:54 That's the one And I'll use that I'll bring the talking point in Greg's gonna edit all my My moments of calling it I'll just Greg You call out most things I call out my new show

Starting point is 00:11:06 What an episode We're back Oh man we are back baby That's why this is a tour Matt is in the suit Fisk is whooping ass Before we get into that though we want to thank the guys over at prepper for cutting down these highlights so you guys can experience what we just experienced on the youtube's guys how are we feeling let's go first we'll go on the same order we went in before Andrew how you doing man I'm doing great yeah that um that was an amazing episode uh just tonally too like there were at especially with muse there was some real horror aspects I mean again like unlike coy I don't know a lot about this character but I'm very fascinated he's a really

Starting point is 00:11:48 really i mean again he has not said one line of dialogue but i am very fascinated yet scared of this character and also too he poses uh a mental but also physical threat uh even though i know dare devil was kind of kicking his ass most time but still his the hand-to-hand was uh incredible in that fight i thought he was kind of keeping up a little bit of in the zone but uh i thought the episode did a great job of obviously the whole season has kind of been building up to this moment with wilson and with matt uh you know both of them kind of holding in their race and getting away from what they used to be to building up to now what we have seen here. And I thought this was just such a great way of intercutting, because we've talked about this multiple times,

Starting point is 00:12:31 how they are two sides of the same coin. And I love the way they were intercutting, especially in that fight. That was just incredible camera work, incredible transitions back and forth. It was really exhilarating to watch. It was really immersive. I love the way. I don't know how they storyboarded that. but it was just so impressive how they executed on that.

Starting point is 00:12:52 It was just so cool. But yeah, just again, Vincent DiNofrio, I know we praise this man so much as Wilson Fisk. He will not praise him enough. He is fantastic. Just again, those little quirks and those little ticks like where he was just, you know, moving his face, like getting visibly upset and like letting out that rage a little bit

Starting point is 00:13:13 but without actually doing anything because he wants to keep that more in private it, uh, and not let it out publicly. I just, I love little moments like that. It's little moments like that just like we're, it's like, yes, that's Wilson Fiske. Um, but he also has to keep it within, contained within himself because he's now the mayor. He's got to have a public perception of that he's not this anymore. So, uh, I just appreciate moments like that so much. Um, but yeah, this is also, I know we kind of complained a little bit about this that we want to see more with Heather and Matt. I'm glad we did get a little bit, uh, at the beginning, uh, that she's kind of, I guess,

Starting point is 00:13:46 writing a book about vigilantes, so that's obviously there's going to be a clash there, you know, in terms of their personal relationship. I'm interested to see where that goes. I think Coy's got a very good point. Like, who is she? Is there going to be a reveal that she's an important character possibly, right? At first, I thought it was Kingpin manipulating Matt by going to her. Yeah. Now I think she and Wilson know each other and they're manipulating you think that. I wouldn't be surprised by that. I think she's on the dark side. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that you know i was thinking too i don't know how i got to this uh place of thought i wouldn't be i wouldn't be surprised too i'm usually wrong on predictions if muse i know i said that he's probably

Starting point is 00:14:26 going to take out heather i wouldn't be surprised if he if they do the bold and ambitious thing of taking out Vanessa with muse oh that'd be interesting that'd be fast and then just seeing how wilson reacts to that that's what makes them that yeah that one thing keeping them good yeah no for sure um but yeah i'd be curious to see if they go that route or with heather but But yeah, it was great episodes. Definitely one of my favorite ones. Again, I've really enjoyed the whole season. But that was a very compelling and exhilarating episode.

Starting point is 00:14:55 And again, I love that they delve between the horror and the action. Again, we got him back in the suit, very exciting. But great episode. It was a lot of fun and scary at the same time. Yeah, man. Very, very well said. Very insightful. Coy, man, how you thinking?

Starting point is 00:15:10 What's you feeling? So this was an interesting episode for me because I definitely felt like it was the two tones back to back was interesting. Like, I've been talking a lot about this feeling like a volume four and how this feels like it's honoring the first three seasons of Netflix while being its own new writer-artist combo. If it was a comic book, this would be a new creative team. What was interesting to have these two back-to-back was episode five wasn't a volume four.

Starting point is 00:15:36 It very much felt like a new creative team, like a guest artist. Like, if you're reading a graphic novel and they're like, I got this one really cool idea, but the artist doesn't have time to come in, so we're going to jump in and do this filler and and start, like, we're going to go back to the old arc. I've never seen that actually happen on TV. I know there's filler episodes and now there's bottle episodes, but a comic book show rarely has that interjection of, like, this one-off issue. And what was interesting was, that fully felt like Disney Plus if they were doing Daredevil.

Starting point is 00:16:01 And that's not necessarily bad thing. Like, there are good Disney Plus shows. I think Loki is exceptional. I think there are elements of Hawkeye that were good. I think Wanda Vision is some of the best TV in comic bookdom. But overall, there's a tone of Disney Plus show. we talked about the lighting and things so it was interesting to go from

Starting point is 00:16:18 oh this is what we would have had it was like an actual what if of our reality of like that's what we would have had so then to come back to this blend of nerder devil of Netflix Daredevil and Disney Plus Daredevil

Starting point is 00:16:30 with this episode was really interesting because I caught myself thinking oh there's the more of the acrobatics there's the billy club use it's more comicky and I found myself appreciating it

Starting point is 00:16:40 but this was the first episode where I'm missing Netflix so like Like, it's still a positive. I'm still very happy this exists. I still can't believe we have this. But it made me like, man, I can't wait to rewatch the Netflix ones as well. So much like I said in the first two episode, Breakdown we did, I'm really glad they're

Starting point is 00:16:58 not trying to just be Netflix. But this episode made me go like, oh, remember how different that was. And I don't know if it was because they kind of rushed the suit up. I don't know if it's because they didn't give it the big moment that I feel like they would have on the Netflix show that was, you know, a longer, it was a lot more episodes and the episodes were longer. But this episode, I definitely felt like, I'm glad this is season four, not season one,

Starting point is 00:17:22 because I feel like it didn't, it would have needed more time. I wish it had more time, but at least it's not trying to be its own first time thing because it does have the weight of the past. So I like seeing Cole get introduced. Cole's a big character in the modern comics. Cole is a man who was hunting,

Starting point is 00:17:38 I mean, hunting Daredevil for a long time. Cole was like a special ops badass cop and Daredevil didn't want to go against the police and he kind of embodied a certain element of cops like a good cop that's willing to do anything they're very much doing something different here it looks like because it does not seem like he's the best of cops so very curious where that goes

Starting point is 00:17:59 Muse is a very interesting character in the comic books because he is making art out of trauma and he's got his own vision for the city so it was interesting I mean I've been waiting for the reveal of the blood in the art. So it was interesting to see how that's being leveraged as the impetus to bring back Daredebel and as the impetus to bring back Kingpin,

Starting point is 00:18:19 but I think it's going to go even deeper. And I think the Kingpin's vision for Red Hook and the Matt's vision for a cleaner New York being possible through law, that's going away, Kingpin's vision's going away, and Muses is forming. And so to see this come to a head

Starting point is 00:18:37 going into Act 3 is pretty cool. i agree yeah Greg how are we feeling i i agree with both of you guys um in a lot of ways like in terms of the netflix part of it being the the thing that dawned on me after it was done was like i feel like we didn't really truth be told i don't feel like really built muse all that well to get to this point i like the build up to muse 60 people like and it's just killing 60 people this whole time

Starting point is 00:19:15 and it doesn't feel like there's this thing that's been going on in the city or in the background because they're kind of doing a lot in this season yeah um that said it didn't really hit me until after it was done and I wasn't there being like man this kind of feels like because I feel like we just started getting going with it and everything you know so I think it

Starting point is 00:19:34 could have been a little bit more impactful if some of that was a little bit more fleshed out because there is there's parts of this narrative of this season that I totally feel are very cohesive. And I think like the thing they've cared the most to get down is the tearing down and rebuilding of both Matt Murdoch and Wilson Fisk. So as those central points in your show to keep cohesion, I think they've been doing an excellent job with that. And what's going on underneath the surface, what's going on, the shadows that is, you know, permeating. and percolating I would say and now to get to this episode

Starting point is 00:20:11 strong stuff it's just like there's some other surrounding elements with it that like a buildup to muse while on screen creepy effective cool horror vibes there's a lot about that I do think the buildup could have been a little bit stronger even though they did drop a little bit of a hint

Starting point is 00:20:28 with white tiger being on the case so yeah but that's not to say there's not a lot of like really good things in this I mean, in this, in the last other negative, the lack of moment to suit really was like, what the hell? Like, we all wanted it. We all knew it. And it's such a moment that you know they would do. And they kind of just brushed past it. Yeah. And I was like, oh, come on, man. So I, and it, it was the first time in a while with this show. I'm like, I feel like you're really to rush past this when they really feel like a moment could have been earned out of it. That said, I do like the fuck it moment.

Starting point is 00:21:07 And him having to do the thing with Fogg Because in the first episode Would Foggy, one of the last things he says to Matt Is I didn't want to give you an excuse. So a big part of that I at least, I think a lot of us interpret, is that he has given up the suit Kind of in honor of Foggy

Starting point is 00:21:23 Because Foggy never wanted him to be Daredevil. He didn't want him to continue on. So that's why he had to let Foggy go in that moment and don the suit. Again, I think they're doing solid character work when it comes to Daredevil and Kingpin and what they're doing with Kingpin

Starting point is 00:21:40 in terms of this control that he keeps hidden away in the darkness and having to let it out because I love the I know some people are not really digging it the fish out of water side with Kingpin and I don't know

Starting point is 00:21:55 even though I'm not a fan of him and Hawkeye is kind of whatever an echo I I'm enjoying watching a guy that looks so out of his element that seems to be very underestimated by his enemies who will just show up to his office. Like you're not the same scary guy you once were like everyone underestimating him to the point where, again, it's tearing down and he's rebuilding and he's rebuilding kingpin in the shadows. I like the buildup with the swordsman.

Starting point is 00:22:24 It's kind of funny that you got to be smart. The two you never really thought would be adhered. I don't think anyone would jump to the prediction. Swordsman would be in here. yousef would be in here then he'll talk to a kingpin one day yeah yeah yeah it kind of makes sense actually

Starting point is 00:22:42 a little bit more than Yusuf even so I like the I do like that and then him being Daredevil felt well justified in that moment because cops they would not get there in time bottom line and that complaint that I had about the way the action

Starting point is 00:22:58 has sort of shot shot completely different here looks great smooth camera and it seems thematically conscientious of why they chose that whereas as opposed to like the conflict freneticness of the handheld before once they're in suit

Starting point is 00:23:16 once Wilson Fiske is even with Wilson Fiske once he is in his element and Matt is in his daredevil element suddenly the camera's smooth and in control and in control exactly that's a right word up but now control so yeah I thought that was something oh now it's making me kind of look

Starting point is 00:23:32 If it's going to remain that way, then I'm like, okay, then that was definitely like a choice to do it that way. So looking back on those other action scenes now, I'm going, oh, then that complements it well to do that, you know? So it makes me appreciate it a little bit more. And to your theory, coy, the thing that reminded me that just made it seem like Wilson Fisk was super smart about the therapist is when he said, she asked if you were safe. remember that yeah i think he's yeah yeah yeah so suddenly i'm like oh and i don't know like therapist trope who's like completely ignorant to all this doesn't work it doesn't work for me especially in this day and age and especially with how like therapy is so like a thing now um like she doesn't seem to inquire you know there's a lot that we haven't established her much as a character no it's

Starting point is 00:24:24 kind of bothering me so maybe they're going to use her some plot device to have like a ha ha ha bad guy twist the successful author therapist is actually a baddie uh and the and the whole thing with the weight with wilson like how the physical because it is jarring and and it does it does physically make him a little less intimidating admittedly when he's not as large of an individual he's a little less intimidating part of his part of the scare is the stature of kingpin and he's getting that stature back as he's coming back into his own and so yeah There's a lot to still really, really appreciate about it. And my last thing, I love the daughter. I think the daughter is an excellent addition. I can't remember the character's name. The niece, sorry. The niece, I think she's an excellent edition.

Starting point is 00:25:12 Yeah. Is that her first name? Okay, yeah, yeah. I think so. She's a really strong performer. I think it's Ayela. Yeah, very, very strong performer. And I know they want to do that effect, kind of like when they had Ironheart and Black Panther, too.

Starting point is 00:25:26 I liked her in Black Panther, too, Rearie, but, you know, I know that's like kind of hit and miss. For me watching this, I'm going, damn. I would love to see this person, Dawn, the suit. And it would be easier to accept, too, with, since we didn't really get to hang out with White Tiger, the OG. Maybe she's so injured by the blood loss. She needs the amulet to recover.

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Starting point is 00:27:28 code rejects fuel your body even on the go you'll love it Aaron ah yes my time has come ladies and this was an interesting episode for me because

Starting point is 00:27:44 it's left me with a lot of joy but in the wake of having to experience the episode it's also left me a little conflicted now to get through the positives I would like to say that I really enjoyed the action in the show. I like the building of tension and stakes.

Starting point is 00:28:02 I like the pressure cooker nature of the episode with them cutting between a Fisk and Matt and their parallels into addressing their violent nature or the thing that they're trying to suppress, right? I thought that stuff was very well done. And I think this conversation we're having for the first time in the MCU, 20 to 30 plus projects in, is the nature of heroism,

Starting point is 00:28:25 and its importance within the world that we inhabit and utilizing the people within New York to echo that sentiment. I think it's something that's unique to this show that we haven't really addressed before, and it really makes this show feel like there's a sense of heroism or even the lack of heroism

Starting point is 00:28:44 and why we need it within our world. I think that stuff is brilliant in the way they utilize BB's role within the show, or at least the BB reports role within the show, to illustrate that I think is very, I wish she was more of a character herself, but that's neither here nor there. Another thing

Starting point is 00:29:01 I wanted to address is it's interesting watching first of all, for instance Donofrio as a performer because between 2015 and now in the last 10 years I feel like we've seen three different versions of Fisk. We've seen the original Netflix version of Fisk. We've seen the introduction to

Starting point is 00:29:19 Disney version of Fisk where they try to make more comic bookie and now this Fisk. And I feel as though So watching the original version of Fisk and then going to this thing that's essentially season four of Netflix is interesting because I feel like in that original iteration, he very much felt like a big baby of a man. And it feels like that baby became a teenager or that baby grew up, but he's still that guy. So you see the way he articulates himself. You see the way he has his tics. You're like, oh, that's the same dude.

Starting point is 00:29:49 He's still a sense of seriousness. But that sense of constant danger of. I don't know what this guy is going to do. That element of his character is a little bit more diminished because I think it's subdued. And that subdued nature of him is sort of tied into him. What's the opposite of Breaking Bad? I guess going good.

Starting point is 00:30:08 His dietary lifestyles is indicative of him. Him being healthy within his diet is also him being healthy within his morals or morals the way he operates within his relationship to the city. And as we see this further dissent, him gaining power is mayor, the struggles of his relationship with Vanessa, we see that dissent into him now embracing these darker elements of himself, which in turn largen's presence or reliance his presence. So I think that stuff is really cool. And I like us getting to see this now, this version of Fisk now be an adult, so to speak, seeing him laugh for the first time, which is a very off-putting given we've said like four seasons, three seasons, three. seasons of him not doing that to see him kind of come into this maturity in his nefariousness in his manipulation i think that's that stuff is very cool and very interesting um and i like

Starting point is 00:31:06 the escalation of the violent nature you know that big baby thing that i was referring to we get to see that start to come out when he is fighting because he fights like a caveman he's throwing haymakers and Hulk smashes and i like that in that scene him sitting in there with Adam on the floor it kind of gave me this dual feeling of release but also in a sense of shame because he is going deep he's going underground where no one can see him to commit these acts right so watching that and him reflecting in the wake of that it is like oh I'm I'm doing this thing finally to be myself but oh no this is the thing I'm becoming in the wake of having to be this upright citizen but also the stuff with with With Mews was interesting because he's coming at it from a place of, oh, this person's trying to besmirch my city and besmirch my name in one and match like, oh, this guy's destroying my community. And I feel like those two opposing motivations are going to come together for the sake of trying to stop this guy, which I think was an interesting thing if they established. Another thing that I, another going to, I guess, more of the little stuff that concerned me is the lack of relationship with Heather. is the rushing moment of the suit.

Starting point is 00:32:26 And also, I feel like we're six episodes in, and another thing I'm missing from the Netflix version is his relationship to his Catholicism. Granted, I'm not someone who's like super involved in that nature with relationship to religion, but I think that's an aspect that's very important to Kingpin. I'm not sorry, very important to Matt. And his relationship with shame and with violence

Starting point is 00:32:51 and his restriction in doing those things are what make that guy that guy. And I think that for them to dampen that aspect of his character is really a disservice because that's the thing that separates him from other heroes. And we have a little bit of that, but I feel like I don't know if it's because

Starting point is 00:33:08 the work he's at within the arc wants to riding him in or they just wanted to shy away from that because like, oh, we want to just make him more clean to not, you know, piss people off. The parallel of his letting the devil out and letting religion in is intentional. Like the scene where she asked about it, he's like, you know, it always just seems to come right back.

Starting point is 00:33:25 That felt like both Daredevil and religion to me. But that's the first time we're seeing that. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying is like it's the first time we're seeing Daredevil back is the same episode we're seeing praying again. I do think there's a parallel of like that it's the devil and and God. Like they're both coming back in. So I think they kept the religion subdued so that it paralleled his vigilantehood. Or they're scared because Disney. That's what I'm feeling.

Starting point is 00:33:48 But I also can see where you're coming from. His line was literally like it always seems to come back. Yeah. So does Daredeau. I mean, she brought up his cross. I hope they lean into it more going forward. I could see that. I hope they do.

Starting point is 00:33:57 She pointed out his cross before. He had that moment where he was at the church in the second episode and he turned away from it. Just like he turned away from Daredeau. Yeah. So it's slow to come back. But it does. But I get what you're, I do get what you're saying, though, about it. It doesn't feel like there's a push and pool happening with it.

Starting point is 00:34:17 Like it doesn't really feel like a, the presence of God. Doesn't feel like a thing here of like rejecting, accepting, whereas like that's a, God casts a Paul in the show. I wish. It doesn't feel like a thing here. Yeah, I wish the denial of the call was something else's a greater presence rather than him just falling back into it because he's starting to entertain the idea of Daredevil. I wish there was a constant rejection. You don't have to do it like for half the episode, but like have those moments.

Starting point is 00:34:43 Like I like the moment in episode two where he was outside listening to the church. let's make that stuff more prevalent you know even when he was like forsaken to angry god in season three when he had that moment he wanted to go beat up guys he's like god forgive me and then he like got out of the way so even if it's just teased i think i would appreciate that a little bit more now the last thing i want to say before kind of open it up to the conversation again is that this the first episode i felt like i felt the seams a little bit between the old version of what they were trying to do and this version because it felt like the show and the plot really started in episode two and season one was just about a reintroduction of establishing emotional stakes

Starting point is 00:35:22 for where each character was coming from but in that you're also having this story about the pressure cooker of them now trying to come to terms of where they are within their individual lives as mayor as just the lawyer and now we're in episode six we're like five we've had five whole episodes and now we're going into our fourth episode just now addressing the stuff with news granted did we tease it sure but it felt like this was this half of the show and now this is this half of the show. And granted, there's a little bit of intercrossing, but I would have liked to see more of that overarching nature,

Starting point is 00:35:58 have it being pre-planned even if it is more of an episodic type of series. I would have had B.B. Eurek mentioned missing people earlier. And I would have also had like missing signs sporadically posted. Like I would have had an element of people are going away. Like even if it was just one news report and like some signs we noticed. I mean, they did tease it in a couple of lines, but... I want to push it up a little bit. I agree with you, is what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:36:21 I agree. Yeah, so I think that's all, that's really what I'm feeling right now. And, you know, we'll see what, how they address the whole Frank Castle, you know, a cop situation. I'm very curious about that. We kind of touched him in episode four and then haven't really touched on it again. Also, the fact that Frank Castle is just around now, like, he, this man, like, died and was brought back to life like three times. He's like, all right, I guess we're just giving up on arresting him now. He's just another guy in the city.

Starting point is 00:36:50 I'm like, all right, you know what? Fine. If it brings us closer to comic, Frank, why not? Does it make a lot of sense? Not really, but you know what? I'm going to go with it. But yeah, that's ultimately how I feel. I hope the last three episodes sort of wrap up in a nice emotionally satisfying way

Starting point is 00:37:05 that leads us into season two. And yeah, and now, and also what I'm excited for for season two is the fact that because they had to rewrite and rework episodes they already shot, with Justin and Aaron with them now being the sure runners and helming it from the very beginning and establishing of season two hopefully there's a lot more of that

Starting point is 00:37:25 narrative consistently, narrative through line while maintaining the episodic feel but also having it feel like a completed thing from start to finish rather than something they do the best of their ability with they've done a great job of trying to mash an old concept with a

Starting point is 00:37:41 new concept that's sort of narratively and thematically tying it back to the original product. For sure. Yeah. So. Anything else, Andrew? Yeah, no, I'm not disagreeing with you, Aaron, in regards to does it make sense, but

Starting point is 00:37:53 like, does it make sense that Wilson Fisk would be, you know, hired as the mayor, or voted in as the mayor after all the atrocities he's caused? You know, does it make sense that that? Yes, it does. We have a president. No, I'm just being in point, but does it make sense that Bullseye survived that? Does it make sense that the cops that Matt beat the crap out of, like, just had a little mark on his face?

Starting point is 00:38:13 You know, sometimes you just take these things for what it is. And you just accept it. But I feel you. I agree with you in regards to Frank. I thought one of the most symbolic and iconic shots in this episode was when he threw the horn onto Foggy's in-memorium thing. Because he's been carrying around that horn for, I would imagine, since, you know, what happened to Foggy.

Starting point is 00:38:32 So I thought that was a really iconic moment and kind of a release as well because now it's time to let the devil out and kind of to let go as well from that horn. So I thought that was really iconic moment. And I love how they framed it, too. It was beautiful. I do agree with you guys. I really did want to see that suit up shot as well. I mean, wouldn't it taken very long,

Starting point is 00:38:49 so I don't know why they chose to not do that. I wanted them with like the Evan Essence song. Yeah, you know, wake me up. Wake me up his song. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then we see, like, and then we see Electra hitting sandbag. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:39:05 And then we see Ben Affleck getting ready to fight Superman. Yeah, that would be good. And then also echoing. Deadpools there because Jen Gardner's back. Yes, yes. And then to echo, but on. On to your point, in regards to, I thought that, I forgot if it's Angela or I yell, I thought she did a great performance.

Starting point is 00:39:22 I mean, she only had two scenes, but that scene really hit me. I really was connecting with her, too, and just seeing like, yeah, the system did work when it came to Matt defending her uncle in court. He got him off. But then also, too, we see, like, how corrupt the police are, and then there's nothing that can be done about it. And then she's coming to Matt. She's trying to go through every avenue she can, and nothing is being done about it.

Starting point is 00:39:43 So again, we, or at least I thought, okay, she's not doing the smart thing, but it's like what else can she do? So I do like that she's a very active character and she's, you know, trying to like, you know, respect and try and do something in respect to her uncle. So I did like that also too. I thought there was, I kind of mentioned earlier at the very beginning. There was a nice build to this in regards to Matt and Wilson, but also the last couple episodes.

Starting point is 00:40:08 We saw the bank thing with Matt. We saw obviously what happened in episode two. and then we saw coupled with the conversation he had with the niece and then obviously cherry telling him about muse so it's like you know matt's been trying to contain himself and holding in that rage but just there and i love that moment was just so well executed and the uh the way uh charlie cox delivered that line of my lad's say an fommer now i'll just say eff it uh when he said f it was just like i think that was us as the audience like yes i mean going to the cops at this point is like you know not worth it's not going to do anything you've got to take actions into your own hands so i thought that was really well done and uh it was just again really nice build up from the last couple episodes uh as well as that moment in episode two just with the cops but i thought that was great i feel like the original show did a better job of of establishing that that hopelessness and that wildness and that need for daredeable through showing in and i feel like this show illustrates it through the city talking about it

Starting point is 00:41:06 yeah so it's like it's very much a show don't but when the city's not talking about it you don't really feel it. But if the BB stuff wasn't in there, you would not feel it. Yeah, you really need the BB stuff. And I noticed the lack of BB stuff in the episode that was from the old regime. Yeah, because we only saw one scene or two of this. Yeah. Right. But that's why

Starting point is 00:41:25 that's why the lighting and cinematography of the original was so key because it creates an atmosphere that conveys that. Yeah. Totally. And I think that is a little, that is missing in this one. Also, you know what? Sorry, I dropped. You know what else I noticed was, uh, was

Starting point is 00:41:41 I felt like, and maybe it occurred me from wrong if you guys feel differently. I feel like the first episode was the most stylized and nothing in the series has matched that level of stylized nature. Because a couple people directed that one. Very well. And I've noticed that

Starting point is 00:41:57 a couple of others. That's the only one. Those names have not reappeared as director as exact producer. Yeah, yeah. The exec produced a ton, but, uh, and there's, there's flavors, but not that level of it. Because they had definitely helped way more of the Loki. Yeah. And, uh, yeah. Because the event, the whole

Starting point is 00:42:11 ear thing we've not really utilized that in the same way to the same scale no yeah the first the camera thing at all really the first one was like we need to fix some stuff because this is the old we're taking over um but i do feel like they try to often make up where they lack in writing they try to make up for in in like visual editing and stuff but at the same time you're right i'm like oh it is a little bit uh not as style i yeah i feel like that of that last episode we watched was very much something from the last one grant i'm still enjoying it and but yeah i feel the we shot six and then shot three to kind of make it all together i am excited to see the third act like i feel like we have earned a ramp up i am excited to see

Starting point is 00:42:52 we're at crescendos um but yeah i agree with our hides and lows i'm just excited for like the big yeah because i feel like we've earned that yeah definitely overshel's yeah but um yeah guys that has been us uh for episode six let us know what you guys think down in the comments below uh help us save the city and we look forward to seeing guys in the next one Jesus. Thank you.

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The Reel Rejects - DAREDEVIL BORN AGAIN Episode 6 Breakdown & Review

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