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Starting point is 00:01:00 this week's video is sponsored by acorns the money app that makes it simple and cheap to make small yet significant investments all right guys let's experience this finale together that guard's a dumb ass he said he knows everything about him except how he operates yeah but the inevitable decision he's made all right ladies and gentlemen first thing i want to say is prepper good job eddie down those highlights it's a pain in the end Put this one together. All right. Well, we watch Daredevil finale of season one. And I know that people got up a specific time to get out of here. So let me see it. Okay.

Starting point is 00:01:44 We're good. Well, well, well, well. If you haven't bought a shirt, shame on you. I want to persuade people via through making them feel bad. And you're not buying shirts. really you're hurting this country as a whole koi we'll start with you man whoa that's right mother effort first time this season i want your points to be so good that none of us want to follow you okay no pressure uh i am really impressed that they were able to after coming into a season already

Starting point is 00:02:21 partially formed sprinkling enough of a buildup to allow the finale to feel pretty much compatible with the episodes they did not have a hand in leading up and they were able to add the punisher moments enough that it felt justified to bring everything back for season two a near impossible thing to take a formed season add your own elements to it and then launch into a season two in the way you want to so strongly that not only did it feel authentic to elements of born again but also as we all said this felt like Netflix so we are not wasting all of that footage and all those moments with these actors and all the stuff they already built, but it allows us to bridge into a Netflix season five and a born again season two in a really unique way. It's also really incredible that all

Starting point is 00:03:06 these actors fell right into lockstep with each other again. As soon as they were on screen, the tension with Deborah Ann Wall and the incredible John Bernthal, the way the, you know, Matt dynamic with Frank also allows for a different feeling of Matt and Karen. And I love that every beat felt so authentic to the characters we know and love in a way that we didn't get in some of the middle episodes, but those middle episodes got to be utilized to build on everything else. It was like, it was like somehow taking a connect set and a Lincoln log set and making some sort of masterpiece. Like it was really impressive that only one episode to me didn't feel right, but the things that happened to that episode still made this stronger.

Starting point is 00:03:48 So I have so much faith in what season two is going to be. I hate that some expressions have used so often that they feel meaningless and like nothing. But I immediately know my review is going to be called, we're so back! Because I actually feel the TikTokification moment of my heart. Right now we are so back. This is

Starting point is 00:04:09 really wonderful to feel the Netflix world come back in a way that I love because we had the most violent moment of Kingpin, maybe of any of the portrayals of Insanofrio. We earned that return of Vanessa and Wilson. We earned the return of Karen Page. And though I

Starting point is 00:04:25 would have preferred not to have needed the left and right turns, I think it was justified to allow the actors that had already filmed all their hard work and the other stuff to get, you know, sprinkled in. I love that we got to have, you know, Foggy's death means something by having Karen come back. I love that we got to have John Bernthal's take on Punisher feel more authentic to what he's going to do and earn that special. And overall, I think that served the supporting cast of the born again team better because now I actually am curious. about the other attorney. I'm actually curious about what Cherry is going to do.

Starting point is 00:04:59 And I think it's going to make the ensemble stronger because now we've gotten kind of the adventures thing with the defenders if they come back next season. That's going to feel like a big street level return of something. We're going to have supporting cast members potentially blending in with the, you know, Karen and John, sorry, Punisher and Karen

Starting point is 00:05:17 and all those things. So this built to a culmination that's going to make the second season feel bigger, which is what you want from a sequel. So all of that to say, what I thought we were going to get with Registration Act, we got with martial law, we got with Mayor Fis taking power. I love the Freeport idea.

Starting point is 00:05:32 I love how this all played out. And I think that now when we have, you know, vigilante illegality in the second season, that's going to beautifully tie into where we landed with Miss Marvel, where we end with certain events that I think Thunderbolts are going to end with, where everything is coming together. I've been saying for years, Marvel had an impossible task of setting out a 10-year plan

Starting point is 00:05:57 and for 10 years, oh my God, somehow, most of it worked and yet, you know, when it didn't, they were able to pivot. The next 10 years, it has felt like whether it's a pandemic or a writer-strike or any of these other things, a lot of things have gone awry and they haven't been able to, you know, fix things as quickly or as succinctly. This, to me, feels like the beginning of everything

Starting point is 00:06:17 going back into a rhythm of feeling concise and organized and all of that to come out of two versions, versions of a show, meshing together is really impressive storytelling with characters and actors we love. So I just want to give love to everyone above or below the line that brought Matt back. Wow. Well said. Who wants to follow that guy? You let me go first. I can go.

Starting point is 00:06:42 Are you sure? Positive. I enjoyed the season. Wasn't back. No, no. You know, obviously we all have our own unique. perspective is going into this show and Aaron hated it. I despised it. I'm just kidding. I really, I really enjoyed it. I still feel, well, first before I get into that, I'm going to go to my positives. I think the way this finale was executed was incredible. The return of the characters that we grew attached to in the Netflix show. It was a great return to capturing that feeling, capturing that history and acknowledging all the things that came before, even down to Ray and the Dean in the beginning, which I never thought they would address again. but I'm happy they were finding a way to strengthen those through lines to make this feel like a proper season four. I think that all of the things we've been building to, they found a way to make it feel fluid and bring it all to a point where it all means something,

Starting point is 00:07:38 even if we didn't get a chance to capture it all in the fullest extent that we would like to have. Now, I think that where this finale ends, in comparison to other finalies we've had for Daredevil, I think it is the most that feels like a part one to a two-part story, which doesn't bother me. But I feel, though, I overall prefer the tightness of a season being its entire season rather than part one to a part two. But if they're going to do that, I feel like it was well executed because it does ramp you up for the stakes, which we're going to experience in the second half, which allow us to put us in a different frame of mind for how we're going into a season two. because it seems like it is the we are truly the underdogs in this scenario. And I feel like we felt that within the last season of Daredevil,

Starting point is 00:08:27 but I feel like it's going to be on an epic scale. It captures this intimate crime thing about Daredevil while making it epic with a production budget and the Marvel money of Disney. Now, I think that it's interesting that we have all this history. that was established in the Netflix show, you feel it here, but you somehow, even in that, because I know this is supposed to be like a soft reboot, so you want new audiences to be able to come into this. And I don't know if it's my own biases, but I feel, though, the episode we had here with Karen alone, I felt more attached to their connection and the dialogue between their closeness than I ever did with Cherry or with McDuffie. And I wonder what that plays to,

Starting point is 00:09:14 or what that means. Now, I think that the season did a great job of establishing those characters, give us a glimpse in who they are, and it seems like from the way that they ended, they really want to capture a care for this ensemble and what the city at large means from these different perspectives,

Starting point is 00:09:31 when they show all of the people reacting to the aftermath of what Fisk has done and what Fisk has said as far as putting things in martial law. And I hope that with there not being a transitional direction, for how they had to kind of pivot within this season that we do get to expand and honor all of these characters that we establish within this season because I do want to know about a white tiger's niece more. I do want to know McDuffie more and Cherry and even that cop that was there, which I was surprised to see. I like that we are in a position to now capture the heart of the city

Starting point is 00:10:07 in a more intimate way because we were rebelling against the top with Fisk, with his corrupt team. And sadly that Heather's a part of that, which is a bummer. I'm wondering how that's going to impact Matt and her's relationship. Because it kind of seemed like we didn't really fully address the status of their relationship in this. And I also enjoyed that we are seemingly now putting more credence and more heart and more awareness and touching the fact that he is of a Catholic background, which is something that for me has been largely missing from this season. but yeah overall i enjoyed it i can't say that i'm in love with it over the moon but i'm i think this is a great start given the circumstances in which this show was conceived of i think the way that they were able to pivot and tell a complete story under the circumstances was very well done

Starting point is 00:10:59 and i'm excited to see how they do it from having their hands in it from the beginning through the end to complete their vision i feel like born again is about their creators at this point like i feel like this show is born again like the actual show is from the ashes of, you know, the show being canceled and then the other Disney Plus version. Like, I feel like Daredevil Born Again is not about Daredevil. It's about the show itself, which is interesting. It was born again from that original conception, then born again with the new direction. Yeah, right? It's interesting.

Starting point is 00:11:27 Crazy. Andrewsiff. Hey, do I have to follow that, too? Well, really, you're just following. Oh, okay. Fellow geek check. Yeah, no, I agree with a lot of what both of you are saying. Also, too, I hope I don't when I say this.

Starting point is 00:11:43 but I really hope that these two directors get to direct as many episodes as possible. Obviously, I want as many directors to be able to allow creative freedom and to be able to get their opportunity to direct episodes, but these guys just did such an incredible job. So I want to give them their props, first of all, because it seems like I enjoyed their episodes the most.

Starting point is 00:12:04 So was it Justin? Justin Minson, Aaron Moorhead. Incredible job. I loved it. So first of all, I just wanted to give them their shout. I want to start off really quickly on Michael Gandafina. I know he didn't get a ton of screen time, especially the last two episodes. But I got to say throughout the season,

Starting point is 00:12:22 I enjoyed the more power he usurped in his position. I like that he gained more confidence. You know what I mean? So I really, he's dressing. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I like that. And also I like that visual narration.

Starting point is 00:12:33 I like the way he was emoting that too. And like, again, you heard that and through some of his dialogue too, but I think like it's more the power of the performance from Michael, Michael Gandafini. I really liked that a lot. It was a really nice touch. And again, that was classic Wilson Fist channeling through him as well as one of his subordinates where, like, you know, they were having that council meeting trying to get the martial law. And they're like, you know, this kind of sounds like a martial law or whatever they were saying. He's like, well, you know, you got these euros in the Cayman, whatever he said. And I'm like, again, I love that manipulation and that, you know, he knows all. Wilson Fist knows everything about. everyone and like this is like classic kingpin and again I love that it channels down to the sport and I also love too the theme of this episode questioning of morale and when it comes to the people that work for him and the people that unfortunately are caught in his crosshairs when

Starting point is 00:13:29 it comes to the commissioner when again the people that work for him you had that in in case the woman who works directly for him and then you got the commissioner too it's like what do you do in that situation like the commissioner has only been working for him obviously because he had a child out of wedlock and Wilson Fiske has been, you know, blackmailing him this entire time. The other woman, she's just fearful of her life. So it's like I understand the counterbalance there. And she was just doing that to save her life. But again, I like that. I love those reaction shots that they get at the very end. Like they could have chose not to do that. But again, that really grounds a show that like with superheroes, it really grounds it in

Starting point is 00:14:06 reality. And I really appreciate that they take the time to show those reaction shots. So I thought that was really good that they were doing that. I even thought that was interesting to show with Buck as well. Like, because to me this whole time, he's come up as like kind of just cold-hearted. So to actually show with some, you know, like this guy, does he even have a moral compass? Like, I thought that was fascinating to even go that route as well. I do agree with what both of you guys are saying this, the whole time, this episode at least, felt so much in spirit to the Netflix show.

Starting point is 00:14:34 I even forgot we were watching a Disney Plus show. So that, I mean, I really appreciated that. But again, I'm glad that they do their own. thing. But at the same point, I like that this was able to do its own thing in terms of, you know, in the season one finale, you had him fighting Kingpin. It was this grand old finale in season two. You had them fighting the hand. And then with what happened with Elektra and Punisher helping out in season three again, fighting Kingpin, blood on the picture again, big old grand finale. This one, again, we had that big, that nice big fight with Punisher and Daredevil, freaking awesome

Starting point is 00:15:05 graphic, again, in the spirit of Netflix. But then it kind of subverts your expectations in terms of It's this gloomy a la Dark Night ending, but there's a little glimmer of hope, which I'm like, okay, this is interesting. It's a nice cliffanger and makes me want more. But again, that's, you know, in real life, we don't always get the happy ending. So I like that they did something different and didn't, you know, go the Netflix route of here's big, you know, spectacle ending. So I like that they tried something different here. And, you know, sometimes, too, I think a glooming ending can, you know, really hit hard. Because like I said, in real life, we don't always get the happy ending.

Starting point is 00:15:41 So I think that was an inspiring and interesting choice to go with. And, yeah, I just thought in regards to the rest of the episode, I thought Vincent Dinoffrio, again, just channeling. He's full on Wilson Fisk again, or Kingpin now as the mayor. I just really thought again, he just knows. I love how that counterbalance do that he's able to channel when he's in the public limelight on camera. He's able to tone it down. And then when he's off camera, he's like,

Starting point is 00:16:10 you are just scared as crap from him like that is just again the power of vincentonopro he's like so damn perfect for this role i'm i love him so much just nitpicking i just wish we could have gotten i'm sure maybe in season two hopefully but i just wanted one damn scene of him and frank castle but having said that we i was already so spoiled because we got a couple scenes with matt and frank castle which that relationship their ideologies are so different so their interactions are so interesting because the disagreements that they have in terms of their obviously they both have moral compasses but in terms of like one's got a no kill rule versus one's got one and matt's always tiptoeing that line especially

Starting point is 00:16:50 like after what happened to foggy at the beginning and thankfully there was a very soft pavement pavement on the ground that saved uh point dexter from being uh you know taken out from life so but still i always find the dichotomy of their relationship to be so fascinating it's and again those two actors are just absolute gold to watch on screen so i was just so happy to get to watch them and the action sequence to get and i think you pointed out too that every shot we got to watch a punisher in slow motion that was a really interesting choice to do that so you could really feel the brutality of every single person that he took out so that was a really cool to see too and also too i really like because i actually spoke to a few weeks ago i said Aaron i know i'm not the smartest

Starting point is 00:17:32 individual what's going on with that whole poor thing because i'm not following it very well so i'm glad that they finally let us know what was going on with that whole whole deal, and it was interesting that it's tied back to foggy, and then the whole thing made a lot more sense now to me that, you know, Vanessa was, you know, using it as, you know, to, she was using it, you know, as a port for weaponry and also, you know, to get for tax free and all that stuff. So I thought that was all very fascinating stuff. But again, I like, the main thing is I like that it tied back to foggy and also hiring the bullseye, that flashback and all that. There's just so much stuff in this episode that was packed. But I thought it was a really good finale. I

Starting point is 00:18:10 know that episode seven kind of, you know, got, uh, dwindled our confidence a little bit. And I understand what, with what happened in terms of, you know, they had an original plan. That kind of got cabashed. They went to this. But I thought in the last two episodes, they did a great job. And this, this episode really got me excited for next season. And now I'm kind of sad because I have to wait for next season. But that's a good thing, too. So, Greg. Thank you, Andrew. You're welcome. You all said things that I love. I agree with all of you fully, even the parts that contradict each other. I agree with everyone.

Starting point is 00:18:45 I have no conflicts. Everything is 100% complacency around here. I feel that John Bernthal is the best part of this episode by far. I thought in season two, he was an excellent edition and a scene stealer. and I thought he was an incredible supporting character there. To me, he genuinely stole the show by a lot. I kind of didn't care as much to cut back to anybody else because he was that good.

Starting point is 00:19:26 He was that compelling. And a part of my brain started going, man, I really feel like they're setting up Punisher spin-off show. And I didn't care. I was preferring what they were giving on screen. i don't know do we who's directing it the the the guy to king richard it's not the these guys yeah yeah damn oh man shit but bernsall's part of the whole process yeah writing it it felt like a completely different thing to incorporate here and as someone who has been finding his love again for

Starting point is 00:19:56 comic book reading i'm talking with coy about this quite a bit because i've been reading a lot of comics at night it's kind of like a ritual that i've been doing before i go to bed And for the longest time on this channel, you know, we cover so many comic book properties that I, oftentimes, I found myself only reading what I needed to for, you know, to keep up with what's coming out. And it started feeling like homework. And I lost some of the love for the actual reading of the comics. And lately I've, like, I haven't been reading specific comics that tie into Daredevil Bourne again. I've, like, picked up the man without fear. I'm reading Daredevil Yellow right now as one of the many comics I'm hopping around between.

Starting point is 00:20:34 And to see an episode like the way this is directed and then I was reading a couple of comics of Daredevil and Punisher, some of those special editions, this felt like a comic book and the way it was composed and watching Daredevil and Punisher work together to kick ass, show the different styles. My favorite moment with them is when they're blowing up at each other after it's like, you just can't help yourself. You're always a liability. They're freaking screaming over each other. but then the second they're both in danger they both stop what they're doing and they look to save each other and I'm like that's their threat

Starting point is 00:21:09 I love it so much I felt a lot of glee during that experience personally every time John Perthal's on screen every single negative people have had about like the MCU Marvel like all the stuff I'm like I'm just tired like I don't love all of it

Starting point is 00:21:24 every time John's on screen it's like everything's great nothing matters like it's so perfect like it's a 10 out of 10 experience where I'm just like I don't care if anyone doesn't like this or likes this. It's for me, and I'm pure joy. Like, this is, he's the only element where I'm like, I have no need to read or know or want.

Starting point is 00:21:42 This is all I want in life. I would say, too, why I feel he's the best part of not this episode, but of the return of this show. Daredevil and Charlie Cox will forever be my number one in every bias there could ever be. He feels genuinely like the one who has been truly carried over and continued over from where we left off in the Netflix

Starting point is 00:22:06 maybe not the actual Punisher season two but it turns of like where he was in the Daredevil world he feels genuinely brought over and it doesn't feel like they're trying to like work any seams or anything like that to weave it in

Starting point is 00:22:18 even when he's tied down and looking at the cops and just taking in their bullshit so much is being said in his stairs and his little grunts and his little Jesus Christ you know like that rage yelling dude no one doesn't like john bernthos it feels it doesn't ever feel like they're trying to recapture sometimes you get that with sometimes you get it with daredevil i'll

Starting point is 00:22:44 be honest sometimes with daredevil himself i feel that way i feel with the chef fisk especially fisk especially like even as brutal as that kill was i don't quite know the words yet guys there's something that doesn't quite hit as hard as the door smash this is more gory This is more violent, but something hits a lot more on the nervous system with the door smashed to me, you know? I feel like that was a lot more primal. He feels like more in control here. And I like the man baby who always seemed like he's going to go over the edge. When he never quite reaches that here, but he still captures that energy.

Starting point is 00:23:18 Because that violence felt like a boy within in the last one and it was being pulled out of him because it was like a love thing. And here, I don't know, he's like making an example. Yeah. Like they cut to a shot of him. feeling like he's super betrayed by him like why it's this guy he's the only one who you should probably suspect is not going to be on your side hey guys i've hit a point in life where i realize time flies and if you're not intentional about your future sneaks up on you and my whole life the advice was always start investing when you're young start investing when you're young and if you

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Starting point is 00:25:19 Thank you again, Acorns for everything that you do. I feel with John, he's got more in his life. Like he's only gotten better as an actor He's only gotten more captivating He's always had that immediate presence But even like his show He talks with cops And he's talked with cops

Starting point is 00:25:35 That have arrested people that are now doing Like he literally had a cop And someone who was committed of a felony That now do a podcast together on his show And talked about that system And like I feel like the more John Bernthal learns about the world The better punisher he is

Starting point is 00:25:50 And I feel like the older his kids get The more he identifies with the loss of children So I feel like there's just so much under like there's just this it was always a river but now it's like the mississippi of emotion and turmoil within john bernthal and i the shameless little interjection at cinema con i got to talk to john bernthal about a few different things including the accountant and in talking to him there are some actors that are like very uh you know commanding in their presence that it does translate to interviews some that doesn't john bernthal is one of the best listeners and articulates what he has to say at the

Starting point is 00:26:24 same time. And I think that's podcast training. I think that's, you know, how commanding he is. But it's really interesting to talk to someone who is fascinated by conversation that is also super intense and focus. And you see the man processing. And I feel like you get that in his performances because he accumulates all of the knowledge and everything that he's gleaned since he's played Punisher last. And I feel like we feel the weight of that in the seven years with him as opposed to some other actors are like, and no disrespect. But some of the actions. I'm like, they're back to work. John Bernthal's like, I've had seven years of blank, blah, blah, blah, blank. And it shows. And I think that's so special and unique to

Starting point is 00:27:00 him. Yeah, no, he is that guy again. He definitely feel that. I hardly agree. He's the one who didn't feel like he was trying to recapture the guy. He just was the guy. Fully agree. Karen Page. What a disservice it would have been. I actually was hoping your theory would come true that Foggy would come back because foggy is such an end yes what is 266 now I'm like curious when they show 266

Starting point is 00:27:28 well I'm the storage unit right getting through my points Karen is now you know what I'm sorry Karen is I know what I now that I said it like that I know that probably sounded like a thing you have to say sorry but Karen

Starting point is 00:27:43 to your point Aaron about with finding their names cherry and lawyer woman Duffy Kirsten Oh, McDuffie, that's her name Okay

Starting point is 00:27:57 They The show fails To convey that there's a history Between any of these guys Totally Even though they've had conversations That say we've known each other For a year

Starting point is 00:28:11 Or whatever the hell How long they've known each other You don't get a sense of history I think it's really easy To nitpick what Aaron said And go well you have the show To buy into it to get all that And I'm like, yeah, but we've all seen, like, a lot of movies and shows where you don't see all that history and backstory, but you can really feel the history between characters and they don't.

Starting point is 00:28:31 So even though we're not going to be getting that, you can't. Case and point, you start off Daredevil Season 1 on Netflix, you feel the history with him and Foggy without having to see any of that history right off the bat. So, yeah, I do think that is kind of a failure on their end. And having Karen around, I really hope that she's an actually. series regular and the follow-up because what she brings as this support, a true support, something that really does help elevate the men in the show, like Daredevil and Furnisher, the way she helps elevate them and their souls. What she does is provide perspective, and that perspective is so necessary to have a genuine

Starting point is 00:29:14 motivation moving forward. So I love that she got to have some real screen time. here not just show up for a little moment you got to actually be here i don't know why bulls i wasn't in this episode whatever um where is everyone else that's true when new york's falling apart i feel like with with the events this big there has to be some type of mcc connection we've debated about whether or not the political ramifications of this will factor into the next spider-man movie i'm kind of like a spider-man four street level i kind of feel like it has to factor it in some way considering he's in New York City. Otherwise, this is some alt-universe shit.

Starting point is 00:29:50 And then we're right back to where we were before. So, yeah. Do you want to say something? Oh, yeah, just quick interject. I was wondering while it was happening. I was like, okay, who's in New York right now? I think it's only Spider-Man and Kate Bishop, because everyone else is like other places in the world.

Starting point is 00:30:04 But, yeah, you do get the sense that this should be a bigger thing. And I'm curious to see how much of that's going to be explored, given we have the defenders potentially coming back. But also, season two is going to be eight episodes. as opposed to nine. So hopefully it gives everybody room to really grow, in addition to adding whatever new characters are going to put in. Dude, awesome.

Starting point is 00:30:24 Yeah, I agree. Andrew, you're allowed one interjection now. No, I was going to, I was going to say, yeah, I would have loved, especially in the darkness, for to see Peter use the Peter tingle. So I agree with you. It was really missing in this episode. But yeah, I'm curious if they're going to explain where Spider-Man was in this episode

Starting point is 00:30:41 because I was thinking that during it, like, this is kind of a pretty serious event. That usually happens with shared. universes where something happens. I'm like, yeah, there are other people. So one more thing. We may not get it for years because it just came out in the interview as a time of recording this, that Wilson Fisk

Starting point is 00:30:57 can't appear in movies and then Spider-Man can't appear in TV. Yeah, so that you're right. Which is great. This is great. It's tough. I love to hear it. Where was Kate Bishop? Really happy. Like Greg Fitzhuis. No, no, this is helping me. I feel

Starting point is 00:31:13 like finding a new style for this kind of conversation would be helpful. here we go this is the most politically reflective thing of the MCU shows in a while it is undoubtedly get ready for it if you're here and you voted one way fisc is trump it is not really subtle at all and you're watching a criminal rise in power in new york city affecting the streets and then watching how people compromise their moral and integrity out of fear that they placate and they become a servant to evil. I love that. I love that they decided to go that route, honestly. Because like when you see with, I suck at everyone's name. What is the name who was talking with the chief?

Starting point is 00:32:10 Oh, I don't even remember her name. The one who she intentionally did not side with the chief, forgot her name. Chief of Staff lady. Black Chief of Staff lady. Her entire, I think she is so emblematic of that symbol because the entire time while she's working with Fisk,

Starting point is 00:32:29 she's constantly the one trying to be like, yeah, let's steer away. That's illegal. Let's not do that. I don't think that's a good, I think. And at the end of the day, she succumbs to fear, and she gives into the authoritarian figure

Starting point is 00:32:39 that if you don't abide by his rules, you're out, you're dead, you're nothing. So, and then watching like what's happening in this, streets and it's funny because there was this giant protest in New York City against the president in the United States and then to see this this what's happening here in this episode of what's going on in New York City, I think it is reflective. Yeah, I mean, you can't really shy away from it. And I appreciate that the show did something with it. Does it sometimes come at the

Starting point is 00:33:06 cost of subtler storytelling? Definitely. Do I feel like Wilson Fisk is as strong as he was in the Netflix series? Absolutely not. But I appreciate the boldness to actually do it and to do it and it weaves in in a way that actually feels natural. It doesn't feel like they're only doing it to be Trump allegory. It feels natural because it still feels like a kingpin thing that would occur and go down. So to use an actual organic way to reflect a real life thing is crucial. And to be talking with Daredevil about it that like we don't have to give into fear because of one man because of one tyrant we will be able we ban together we are the city we are america we are the ones we like when you hear people

Starting point is 00:34:00 talking i think i quite a talk about some podcast recently i think bill burrow was talking about it of like how people are like i got to leave this country because of like eulon because of trump or something like that and a lot of times it's like why do we why do we give into fear like that so much where we like this one person has to leave. And then we watch shows like this where we could chalk it up to escapism entertainment. And there's so many movies and shows that over the past year that we've been watching here where you go back like years and years of you movies from years ago that were like, hey, here's what's happening in the world today. And it's only worse now. It's only worse now. And so you see something like this and it's easy to chalk it up

Starting point is 00:34:37 to entertainment. But then you don't pay attention. You turn to blind eye. You lose sight of caution when these are like cautionary tales in some way and it's only going to get worse. So I don't really know what to do as a citizen of this country. I don't really know what I could do. All I know is is voicing what you believe to be like

Starting point is 00:34:56 truth to yourself and is right and okay. And somehow having this I don't know. I don't know. I'm only as my train of thought getting a little heated right now. Honestly. Coy, got anything to that? Andrew?

Starting point is 00:35:10 Yeah. The one time running, you guys are fucking interjection. I do. I do. I do. I do. And you guys are like, I'm going to be quiet. No, you were making good points. I think her name is Sheila, Chief of Staff Lady.

Starting point is 00:35:24 That's number one. Number two, in regards to the scream off, I want to see John Bernthal and Hugh Jackman do a rage off with their voice. I always said John be a good Wolverine if he wasn't punish him. I would agree with that. I will say, too, in regards to your guys' points, I thought great points in regards to, to Cherry and Kirsten McDuffey. Yes, we continuously hear

Starting point is 00:35:47 lines that they have that history and you just never really feel in that dynamic. Having said that, I do like the starting point that we've gotten with these characters. I think, again, to compare to the Netflix shows with what we got

Starting point is 00:36:01 with Foggy and with Karen, we got to spend so much time with those characters. And also with Foggy and Matt, we got a lot of flashbacks with those characters as well. I think, again, just my suggestion, I'm not a writer, but I would maybe just spend more time with those characters, have more interactions with Matt and with Kirsten.

Starting point is 00:36:22 I would maybe to let her have, I mean, because we know Cherry knows his secret, I would maybe give her that info at some point. So I don't know in regards to that. One other thing I do want to point out in regards to this episode, I kind of mentioned it while it was happening. A lot of these episodes, we've seen the parallel building back up to when Vincent Donofrio

Starting point is 00:36:41 or rather Wilson Fiske is turning back into Kingpin and same thing with Matt turning back into Daredevil. You see the parallels working back and forth between them, also too between the relationships, how like his relationship is breaking apart with Heather, his is getting back together with Vanessa. So I loved all that, but I thought it was interesting because we didn't really see that many parallels at all really

Starting point is 00:37:00 between Wilson Fiske and Matt Murdoch in this episode, but you did see it with the commissioner and with Frank when one of them's being interrogated, I guess, by the fanatics that love him versus Wilson Fiske. and Fiske about to, you know, take him out of life. I thought that was, again, a very fascinating choice to show the parallels between these two guys who served, I mean, obviously Frank used to serve the law, or I mean, he was in the, what was he, in Afghanistan or whatever, but still, now you got this guy here too.

Starting point is 00:37:26 But again, one's in a situation where he's about to die. And then another one's in, like, he could do this whole day type of thing. Yes, Captain America reference. But still, I thought that was interesting, again, to show the parallels between these two characters in that moment. Well, they're both in front of cops that, you know, a commissioner that leads these cops versus the Punisher who isn't

Starting point is 00:37:46 wanting to lead these fanatics. Yeah. And I really like that they paralleled the two of them that, like, one did not want to be representing them and one had been representing them in different stages of law. Also, Daredevil 266 is from the incredible nocinty, Jonomita Jr. era of the comic, and what

Starting point is 00:38:02 I think it parallels is that issue takes place in a bar where it's called a beer with the devil, and it's a really contained issue about the current events going on in New York, and people are literally seeing Daredevil just sitting at the bar in a humanizing way. And it's in an era of, it was a really interesting era in comics where New York felt like a character in the books. And at the time, a lot of editorial was in New York. So a lot of the writers, artists, and people making the comics were in New York. So the comics felt like the crime era of New York when crime was really,

Starting point is 00:38:32 really bad in the city. And this issue, actually now that I saw the cover, is one of the most emblematic of New York being a part of the time of the writers and artists putting their conversation of how to solve these problems so I could be reading into it but it's interesting that this ends at Josie's and 266 have been earlier

Starting point is 00:38:51 Daredevil a beer with the devil it could be cool to see how the people of New York are trying to rally behind him in order to go into season 2 again could be me reading too much but it's pretty cool guys you hear heard it here from Koi first before new rock stars Ha daredevil 266 get it before it goes up by $7 in value

Starting point is 00:39:07 anyway um yeah i kind of what do you go that's all my thoughts what would you guys give this what would you guys give this season rating uh overall at a whole out of what 264 what would you what would you 10 at a 10 at a 10 i would probably go like 7.5 8 i'm right there i'm 7.5 i'm i'm gonna go 8 2 8 2 for me oh i think i'll also go 7.5. I just wish they ultimately would have used Heather Glenn and the other supporting cast more. But yeah, hopefully they do that in season two. But yeah, I'm

Starting point is 00:39:45 about like a, I'm in a 7.5. 7.5 solid. Yeah. Yeah. Like this this is a great episode. It's one of the greater episodes. But does it, is it so great that it improves the flaws along the way? There's not a lot

Starting point is 00:40:01 of them now. Like there's still like, no, those flaws are still very much a flaw. Because sometimes you do get to the end of a season. You're like, No, now with all of it, it suddenly flows perfectly. But no, there's still some bumpy roads. Is there any other final thoughts anyone wants to share? I think, yeah, in spite of the part of the enjoyed, I think this is the weakest season of Daredevil,

Starting point is 00:40:19 but the upper echelon of MCU shows, which is still weird. Weird, right? The Daredevil's that good. Like, even though the worst of Daredevil is better than the most of comic adaptations. Yeah, 100%. I thought the ending of this was very inspiring and poignant in a lot of ways. It reminds me that, like, leaders are supposed to make sacrifices to serve the people,

Starting point is 00:40:39 not sacrifice people to serve themselves. And I thought it was a very beautiful way to wrap it up to show where Wilson's going and how cruelly is. Because don't me wrong, watching fictional Trump is way more fun than real life Trump. And fictional Trump, I love.

Starting point is 00:40:54 I love this version because Vincent O'Noffrey is so good. And I like that the master manipulation, even getting his wife there, where Vanessa seems like she doesn't really want to do this. anymore. She doesn't want to be, I think they've been alluding to that

Starting point is 00:41:11 a lot, but she doesn't really want to be partnered with him. And in some way, she's part of the cage as well that they're walking through. And I like the inhumanity he brings of the people in cages. It's so evil and fun. You get Vincent Donofrio a fisky

Starting point is 00:41:27 business shirt. Hey, for real though. Oh, one more thing I wanted to say. The black chief of staff lady is kind of like the reina deem of this season where she realizes she's like an insurmountable odds so she has to succumb to the circumstances. And, yeah, in a lot of ways, this season kind of parallel,

Starting point is 00:41:43 season three with Trump having, with Trump having these insomatible odds. But it ends at the middle point of where season three ends. And you can tell this is supposed to be a larger story. But yeah, that's the end of that. Anyway, guys, thank you so much for being here. What did you guys think about Daredeuble Born again?

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