The Reel Rejects - DEXTER SEASON 2 Episode 9, 10, 11, & 12 REVIEW!!!

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

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Thank you to Liquid IV for sponsoring this video. More on them in just a bit. Yeah, so I think I have spoken long enough. I think we should get right into the episode. So we're going to get right into this, Donald. Let's do this thing. Let's go season two, episode nine, commencing in a three. Two and a one.

Oh. Oh my God. Oh, my God. What an episode, Donald. Andrew. All right, guys. That was season two, episode 10. We're going to break from the norm right now, Donald.

Hey. I think we're going to answer some questions that we got before we get into episode two. Or episode two. Yeah, we're going to go back to episode two. All the way back. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, we're going to answer some questions before we get into episode 11, season two. Heck, yeah, we do have a couple specifically, uh,

geared questions for the last two episodes we just did so couple of episodes oh my god thank you guys for chiming in i mean you know we're going to give everyone their time but we're also going to hop on pretty quick to episodes 11 and 12 to end off the season oh my god i am i actually i could use a breather i'm i'm exhausted right okay all righty let's uh let's see who's kicking us off Andrew and John from K.J. Gould. All right. Love of the Dexter reaction so far. Fun trivia.

We do love some fun trivia. Dexter's forensics colleague, Vince Masuka, is played by C.S. Lee, who has appeared in another show you both reacted to. He's most unrecognizable as the vicious master Kim Sun Young in the final season of Cobra Kai. Yes, we did mention that a couple times already, but thank you for pointing that out.

Not to steal your thunder. It has come up in my mind. continues to be blown by this fact. Yeah, no, we did look it up and we saw like he's got prosthetic makeup to make him look older, of course, and then the mustache and all that. But yeah, that's a cool fact. Thank you for hearing that. Absolutely.

He's a great actor. He's so versatile that you would never. I remember when we first saw him, we both were like, where have we seen this actor before? He looks so familiar. And then when we found it out, we're like, what? Mind blown. So, every time I see him now, I keep like looking at him like, okay. Maybe I can fill in the prosthetics and the wigs and the, you know, fake beard and all that stuff.

I know when you rewatch season six of Cobra Kine, now you're just going to wait for a sexual innuendo. That's right. I know what you're thinking under there. You posturing like you're some tough old dude. No, I see you. Yes. No mercy. Love that fact, though.

Appreciate you. All right, Landon Miller real quick for Andrew and John. What did you think about dokes finding the blood slides and how do you feel about Dex's Lock? of dokes in the cabin instead of killing him i mean i was really worried when dokes found it of course and i originally assumed that because we had a question at the end of the last episodes like do you think he's going to you know use the the power of the authorities or do you think he's going to do it himself individually and i said he's i mean at this point he's not going to go i didn't think he was going to do what the authority is going to do it himself so and then what was the

other part of the question what do i think about him blocking dokes in right Yeah, the cabin. I mean, I will say this. Like, I, even though it's when I say cat and mouse, obviously he's not like chasing him, but I love the whole cat and mouse type of interaction that they have going back and forth within them. They're so freaking good these two actors. Michael Cajon, I'm so sorry.

I forgot the actor's name who plays dokes. He is so, the way he is able to emote with his eyes, whether it's like, Eric King. Eric King, he is so freaking good. Killing the game. The way Eric is able to emote with his eyes, whether it's like the surprise look. His eyes, mother, fuck. Yes.

French fries. Root eyes. Some pies. Yes. All rise. Yes. But the way he's able to emote, whether it's like in wonder or like discovery or like, you know,

he's like distraught. He's just so damn good. And like you know exactly what he's thinking right away. And it's, but it's like really, it's powerful too when he does it. totally yeah so but I love it

I just any time that they're and and John made a great point too and what he said like in the first episode you're like you didn't think we were going to like him that much like we were like we're meant to hate this character but like as the show has developed his character and we've grown to know more about him like he's just such

a fascinating character and he's like really got this presence about him and like it's it's almost mesmerizing when he's on the screen and I just I think him and Dexter it's like some of my favorite interactions like when you watch them on the show together so he's really fascinating character what about you yeah i love the opposing nature of the two of them i love watching them together i love as much as it can be agonizing in the moment of watching the show i do love having this as you said

cat and mouse game between a cat and a mouse both of which i like you know uh obviously it's dexter we're following dexter but dokes i mean like you know he stands on his own business and uh i really love watching him i really love what he brings and i really love what he brings and i really while I am sort of you know I'm caught up in the tension of the fact that he has taken him prisoner essentially at the same time like it is

fascinating to see the layers of dokes' character that have been coming and going through this process watching the cop doaks you know watching well I feel like at first you have the headstrong dokes who you know has his beef with dexter then we go a layer deeper into cop dokes you know really just trying to de-escalate the situation And then finally, I feel like Dokes accepting and kind of succumbing to just how horrific this and twisted this moment, this situation is.

And it's like, you know, you're sitting here hoping that there could be some kind of understanding or redemption or I don't know what. And you know that, you know, these two characters are probably never going to ever see eye to eye. And it just fascinates me to know how like this is a fun position to be in in the season because I think I, I, again, as we've said on a lot of these talks, I admire that they haven't really pulled any punches, and they have really gone for, you know, what's going to create the most tension, what's going to, you know, really cut to the quick

and surprise the audience. And, you know, I'd never expected at the start of the show that we would be here with dokes already by season two. And, yeah, I mean, coming back to the blood slides, it's just the way that that even turned around, like they're good at, yeah, like coming up with the situation where you're like, Okay, this is absolutely the worst case scenario for Dexter.

This is his body of evidence. But the flip around, you know, them basically bringing him in and being like, we need you to analyze all these slides. I thought was really fun. And, yeah, like, you know, it makes sense that he would go and try to get the, you know, samples analyzed or do his own, you know, off the record, you know, investigation of this. You know, it's handy that he, I guess, left the, you know, slides in the car in America and was like doing this thing. all in one trip I guess part of me would would go back and kind of examine those details just

because you know if he had taken them with him obviously on the trip and just got it all done in one if he'd brought them with him for the negotiation before securing the you know go ahead from his friend or at least the cooperation of his you know ex acquaintance there you know I'm sure things would be different now but yeah like it's definitely been a great driver of attention and it's definitely created some really fascinating back and forth, I think, between the characters because, yeah, like, their whole talk about the fact that dokes can see him and the difference in the ways that they have killed and they have executed the law. Yeah, like, you know, you want it all to work out somehow. I don't feel like it can. And now it's just up to them to stick the landing of the season. And I hope that they can. I hope that they do. Yeah. Yeah. And you made a great point because we're like past the point of no return, it feels like. So many. What is the, yeah, so many, it's like, what is the resolve going to be? Like, how does Doakes stay on the show? Yeah.

Does he stay on the show? He better, because he's such a damn good adversary and foil to Dexter. Yeah. And, like, they have, it's interesting, like, they have different ideologies because one, I mean, like, one, like, he obviously, Dexter, like, operates in a morally gray, like, you know, area, whereas Dokes follows the law. even though sometimes he goes into that morally great area, too. Yeah, sure. So it's like, you know, but I think they're, like the contrast between them is just so fascinating. And you love both the characters.

So that's, this is why I love the show so much. Like, you don't want to see, you're so emotionally invested in these characters. You don't want to see anything happen. And I think that's like why in real time, too, as we were reacting. Like, that's why we're like, we don't want to see anything happen to Lundy. We don't want to see anything happen to Angel. It's like, it they've really gotten us to really care for these characters. 100%

A great deal And also too I'm still like I'm not saying That Tom wasn't being truthful The lieutenant or captain Whatever he is I still want

I still want more information On the dad If that's really what happened Again he seemed genuine But I don't know Again the show is thrown So many curve balls Yeah all that was

Yeah it was I'm just I'm not saying it's not true I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised If it wasn't is all Yeah So we'll see

God God. All right, San Rock. Here we go. Andrew and John. Thank you so much for chiming in here. At this point, the show presents us with two villains or foes for Dexter in Lila and Doakes. What do you guys make of that tension in the two types of obstacles we have for Dexter? And how does that alter, if at all, your feelings about Dexter as our, quote, hero? I'm fascinated by the Doakes-Dexter relationship in particular and eager to hear your guys' thoughts. who yeah i mean uh yeah you know two antagonists absolutely this season and and i would say too that you know dexter has certainly been an antagonist of the season and an antagonist to himself as well as others because again with all the lila stuff uh you know she has brought in you know helping him accept certain aspects of his personality and heal certain aspects of his trauma she has brought out this more you know megalomaniacal version of him this this this you know you know, overconfident, you know, the kind of person looking down on everybody else that a lot of

serial killers can come across as, you know, she's kind of like her influence turns him into the more sort of textbook idea or demeanor that you might associate with a sort of, yeah, grandstanding serial killer. And, you know, he's sending out this like fake manifesto and stuff. And he's like making the cops dance to his music. And he gets a little sloppy in this place. and you know I feel like the way that both of them have caused him to work against himself whether that be in you know action or in thought has been really fascinating and I mean like the cat and mouse with dokes has been really fun I very much enjoyed the more chill side of that where it's just like something's up with you man and I don't like you and then you know having him

vindicated here and you know to have it all revealed you know it's fun to have an antagonist yeah who's not necessarily like a traditional villain because obviously like he's technically working for the law, you know, and he's technically trying to get Dexter to stop killing people at the bare minimum. So yeah, I like the dynamics here and the fact that after the first season

and I would assume in future seasons having, you know, a particular serial killer of the season to do part two or, you know, season two as, you know, it's Dexter, it's the Bay Harbor butcher, you know, that's the serial killer. And we're going to use, both familiar and new characters

to warp this person in on themselves as they try to thwart being you know revealed and had you know it's I think it's yeah it's I mean Dexter in this season to me has certainly sort of had to grapple with the idea of his villainy and his heroism in equal measure and you know the more he has been healed in the Lila storyline

the worst he's gotten the more villainous he has become the less of the hero the more self-serving you know and so yeah to have these various characters kind of show him like oh man you know my life with lila and the kids is like so crucial it's it's almost part of the code because it's what keeps him with any degree of morality and compassion yeah no it's been fascinating to watch him this whole identity crisis that he went through especially in the early part of the season as like you know he saw like his whole worldview of harry his father his foster father rather kind of shattered a little bit and What he thought was, you know, what he taught him and everything was a lie. So, yeah, to have that re-established back has been really interesting to watch. When it comes to dokes, you know, like, I mean, I kind of already went into it when it comes to him. Just, I think he presents, like, a mental obstacle, but also, like, he can be a physical obstacle as well for him. So I think that's what makes it so fascinating the two of them.

but when it comes to Lila I found it very interesting that right away she immediately recognized that facade in him because she had it in herself that dark passenger and she detected that bullshit meter immediately

and like that's what makes their relationships not sweet anymore but like bittersweet I guess you could say but messed up as well but she isn't a very like now we obviously dislike her and like I'm very curious of her

end game what she's trying to do because we thought like she had put the roofies in angels uh whine and now she put it uh in or she took it herself so i'm very curious she's setting him up man yeah yeah yeah no i'm curious what her end game is but like again i i like the mental obstacle that she is you know uh opposing for for uh for dexter but i like that again he's kind of just like when he's with her, he's, like, kind of just questioning himself, questioning his morale, his identity. And I think this is a fascinating and dramatic way to take the character and to establish him and give him, again, just an emotional arc

throughout the season. But, again, you mentioned to, what was it, Keith Caradine and Deb, in regards to, did they have, like, an on-screen test? Right with for... Oh, yeah, like a chemistry test. Chemistry test, I feel like, I don't know if you feel the same way, but I feel like, and I know we didn't really have any interactions really with them, the last two episodes. I feel like him and Lila had a lot of chemistry as well, the actors. Oh, they did, yeah, and I mean, they would have absolutely chemistry tested two of them.

I could see them too, but like these, what is it, Keith Kerrardine, Lila, like such good additions. I feel like Lundy, too, is kind of a good obstacle I would even add as well just because, and I know he's not. specifically looking at Dexter right now he's kind of it's more towards dokes now and i think it's so fascinating like when you and we the audience and dexter obviously know the truth that dokes is not the butch the uh butch harbor bay harbor butch harbour here's me with my mr bernatch yes go ahead let's the ice cream butcher truck harbour killer spatter the bay harbor anyways we we the audience know uh what the truth is but like when everything has been presented to us and like Like, this is very, like, it's actually justified in why he has come to this conclusion.

And then you get the thing with LaGuarto, he's like, yeah, this is actually justified and, and this is evidence right here. But what you did before with not coming to us with that call, like, you breached ethics and you breached, you know, you're doing, you know, and I'm like, this is such damn good writing. Like, I love when they plant these kinds of seeds. And then there's a payoff in the end. so and again I know like he's not particularly an obstacle yet for dexter but again I'm anxious to see that resolve as well with Lundy but I thought there was some great writing as well too in regards to and I know this isn't part of this question I'm sorry to veer off a little bit but I thought there was a that scene too when it came to with Lundy and Deb that was so that was so well written he's like I was kind of pulling away in this moment too because I was I was afraid that you were going to get kind of sick of me.

I'm like, oh, that was sweet. And she's like, that was like the sweetest thing anyone's ever said to me. I'm like, I really love those two characters. So I'm like, it's amazing like when we can pull away

from like the main, you know, plot of the, the A plot of the season. And we can still be so invested in the other things. I think that's like, credit to the writers, like to make us care

about some of these other, you know, B and C plots, a character beats that are going on. Yeah, they're really well conceived across whole seasons and in individual episode for him and yeah there's no character

or plot line I'm begrudged to check in with like I do at the moment anyway still love the whole range of the ensemble yeah to the end to that point really quick we'll get to the next question there's sometimes where I'll rewatch a show I'll be like nah I don't care about this this character beat or this plot I'm

fast forwarding through it let's get to the next one so and I've like granted this is a first time of watch and we can't fast forward obviously but there's so far there's not been one character beat or one plot where I'm like I'm really award by this. We just move on.

Yeah. So let's again, credit to the writer's room. Heck yeah. All right. Maui, you crank that soldier boy. I think the addition of

Jamie Murray was a great choice. She plays Lila. She is amazing. She's also in Spartacus. The series I wish Rejects reacts to before the spin-off series begins. I can never make any promises here as to what will be reacted to.

But, you know, it's definitely something that has been requested and I would be thrilled for a chance to check it out so keep an eye out might happen i've never seen it i've only heard good things but in regards to jamie mary she's fantastic and again just with what she does with the character i love how uh just emotional she is how manipulative she can she can be how like present she can be how she can like be the joyous one in the room like she's just very versatile when it comes to how she is in this role again her chemistry with dexter is so good her chemistry with the other actors is so good

I love the way she like goes her bickering back and forth with Deb and the few interactions we've seen. She is so good and we love to hate her too. Yeah. No, she's really, really attractive too. Yeah, she entered and the second, again, like she has this look about her that just feels kind of unique from everybody else in any room that she's in, especially, you know, in Miami. And then the second she starts speaking and, you know, the British accent and all that stuff. you know, there's so much about the character that is, I think, intentionally very arresting

and, yeah, you know, perfectly kind of embodied in her performance. And, too, I mean, I think she encapsulates a really good back and forth between the moments where you're like, ah, I can tell she's putting it on or she's manipulating a situation, then other times where she starts talking sense

and seems very clear-eyed and very, again, you know, wise to some degree of experience. Yeah, like this is a character who you've got to hate in the right ways and you have to have understood the temptation of and at least for my viewing experience yeah I think her performance

she's understood the assignment quite well and yeah the character has certainly is currently leaving an impression you know in a lot of ways I hate her but in the right way yeah that means she did again like you said she did her job and make this hate her that's what she's supposed to do

and not only am I hoping angel survives because we love the character because we love the character so much but I want him to have bragging duties against Vince as well at the end of this season and into next season but he's gonna be like

Vince will be like someone who was in like justifiably insane like yeah but she's really hot well and it makes me wonder how decorate her her room and her yeah it makes me wonder how deep her rabbit

goes yeah in that we've obviously seen her capable of arson and of various fraudulent activities and she obviously had no trouble going and picking up those roofies so you know like it makes me wonder to what degree

her monstrousness you know how far and why does it reach what do we not know about this person how many bodies is she responsible for her really quickly again she's it's a little foggy and misty maybe you'll remind me but she said something about her boyfriend when she

killed him like she said like they were on drugs or something thing and then she knew what she was doing i don't i don't necessarily believe she didn't know he was stretching the truth a little there yeah exactly yeah yeah but uh good addition good good chaos agreed great actress all right jay rush what up jay thank you so much for chimed and speaking of your boy uh like on dexter who got the best fashion there it's got to be angel it's angel enough said i mean lila does have obvious a strong fashion sense

I like her better when she's not wearing clothes though that you know and she also has a taste in fine lingerie so obviously you got to shout Lila out but the angel 100% his silk shirts the patterns his little

hats all that stuff the goatee my man is dripping and and I love to see it sorry about the Vince comment there guys but you know I had to liella's very attractive my muzuka he's also Yeah, I was going to say, this has got some pretty drippy. The whole bowling team.

That's who dresses the best. But leave us your comments. Who's the best dressed on Dexter? All right. There we go. Alora rain. This series is the highlight of my week. Ours 2.

Thank you for joining us. I'm thrilled to join you both as you experienced this legendary series for the first time. I hope you'll be watching the newest additions to the Dexter fam as well. I would love to do that. My questions. How much do you think Texter spends on cleaning supplies? I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah, man.

A lot of plastic. Let's start off one question at a time. How much do you think texture spends on cleaning supplies? And at this point are his kill room sponsored by Mr. Clean? Yeah, definitely sponsored by Mr. Clean. Definitely. Dawn. What's the one they used to get oil off of baby ducks?

I think that's what Dexter. That's Dawn, right? With the duck, right? Yeah. That's Don. Want to take out body? It's a palm olive man. Yeah.

How much is he spending? I don't know. He's spending $1,000. Upwards of $1,000 more. I mean, well, I mean, he must have a bulk hookup for his plastic. Yeah. That he wraps all the rooms and stuff in. He must, you know, I mean, order a lot of garbage guys.

But also, too, I'm sorry, not to get you off. He's also got to, like, keep that off the books. So he doesn't like. Bies it all in cash. Yeah, exactly. Cash. Well, or, you know, shit that it would be. reasonable to keep on hand

like the trash bags is one thing because you know like what's one trash bag every once in a while but like yeah the big old rolls of plastic obviously I feel like yeah it's mostly that and then some kind of you know like some kind of liquid cleaner you would imagine I mean plastic takes care of

a lot of it that's a lot of blood I feel like much of your again in his you know the way he does things I feel like you can pretty much just like crumple the plastic up and then you're good you just toss the plastic and you're done with it. So maybe it's actually less expensive than you think.

What about all the gear that he's wearing? Do you just throw it away? Well, you know, I mean, like... He's got his, like, smocks and stuff like that. Yeah, I got to imagine he just, like, washes him off or whatever. It's got to be repeat usage. Yeah. I'm going...

I don't know how much, but I'm going to imagine it's less than you would imagine. Yeah. And definitely, I mean, if he could get that Mr. Clean sponsorship, I'm sure it would just make his life that much easier. Yeah, no, 100%. I hope he goes after a killer who looks like Mr. Clean. second part of your question also when dexter tells dokes he won't be caught did anyone else get full walter white vibes i can't answer i've never seen one episode of breaking bad so i can't answer to that i was half expecting dexter to look at dokes in the cage and say i am the one who knocks and slices i'll let you answer And slices.

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely got that energy. It's definitely got that, like, do you know who you're talking to? Kind of like, yeah, I am in, I am the captain kind of vibe. And yeah, I mean, and Breaking Bad is a show that it's very much about points of no return and just blowing, shattering through them. I mean, yeah, like, and Walter White, obviously different kind of character, different kind of criminal. But, but yeah, as someone who, this season, especially. Because, yeah, Dexter has flirted, I think, with his ego and with his sense of, you know, his place in the world and in this season, you know, he's certainly, that thing he said, you know, about being more selfish, you know, and being, and, you know, sort of when he's coming down from the high and sort of reconnecting with the code and realizing like, oh, Rita and the kids are like important. They keep me human. And, you know, being there for Deb is important in a different way.

and these revelations as these episodes where he's like oh shit I have people who rely on me and I have people who would be utterly

shattered and like irrevocably altered emotionally you know if they were to discover me and you know obviously there's a lot of that and Breaking Bad 2

in its own way and so yeah like one of the most frustrating things to watch about Walter White is like how much when he's feeling himself he's his own worst enemy

and I think that's well embodied here in the season and also in a moment like that where he is facing off against dokes, who's a guy who clearly looks at him a certain way, which is causing his ego to flare up a bit more because he's in control. Like, it's a really fascinating bit of, you know, drama to watch.

Yeah, I mean, it was fascinating, too, because in season one, at least the way I was interpreting or the way he was explaining, it was like, it was all, like, a facade is at first why he was just dating people in general. And then, you know, he really grew to care for Rita and the kids. And, like, and I found it so fascinating how, like, even subconsciously like he had gone to her place and slept there because he's so so protective over them and like you said like they really make him feel human and like and i like that he's

gaining this sense of prospectiveness and uh he's just taking accountability for and that that talked to where he expected nothing back in return like you knew the mistake when i'm talking about accountability when he knew the mistakes that he made with lila and how she got to him emotionally and manipulated him and again he he took account for the mistakes and he genuinely apologized to her, wanting nothing back in return, just saying, hey, I just wanted to say it. I'm so sorry for how I made you feel that

is not okay for what I did, but I genuinely care about you and I'm so sorry about that. That actually, like, again, not forgiving, but that was a very sweet sentiment and I appreciate how much he's growing as a person and that communication was really endearing and sweet. And I appreciated that.

Again, still not a forgivable thing that he did, but also someone manipulated him at the same point, not justified in what he but that was, again, I like that prospectiveness from him to grow as a person and to be able to communicate that. And I think Rita recognized that as well. So that was awesome.

Hell yeah. Do you have anything else? That's cool. All right. Emma! Last one before we hop into episodes 11 and 12. Was there, I'm so sorry. Was there one more about it?

Oh, that's how. Oh, okay, that's a different thing. My bad. My bad. Sorry about that. All right. For Dexter, for Andrew and John, what do you think about the revelation that Harry chose his own departure from this mortal coil? Yes.

We've heard Dexter talk about his heart disease and that it killed him before, but now we know the truth. Do you think seeing what he created in Dexter really caused that, or do you think it was something that was building in him? Do you think he should tell Debra about this revelation? Let's start right. Let's start there. We'll continue. I mean, it seems like that, now that you're asking that question, Emma, it seems like now that might really have been what happened.

And again, with how Tom was, because again, just I've said it already a couple of times, I'm just going to repeat it one last time. Because of how many curveballs and how much on edge the show always keeps us, I never know what's sometimes the truth. So if that's really what happened, like it's definitely, I was not, anytime there's a twist in this show, I will give the show credit. I love that it's not, it's really hard.

hardly ever predictable. Sure. Like, it subverts your expectations in the best kind of ways. Even something as simple as we thought Lila was just going to show up

in the beach. I'm glad that they didn't even go that route, for instance, just on something very simplistic. That was something I was not expecting also in regards to Harry and, like, taking his own life like that.

And that is definitely, like, that is emotionally resonating. And, like, look what I have, even though, like, I did it for the right. reasons and I had the right intentions and I care so deeply about my son even though you know everything

that had been revealed earlier on to in regards to making his he was having an affair with Dexter's mother had her as informing he felt very responsible for him and now he knows there's this there's this itch that he has to keep you know like

at bay and this is the only way to do it and now like now seeing what's right in front of him as he's chopping up this man and if this is really what happened. It's definitely a fascinating and emotionally heavy twist. Do I think

he should tell Deborah about this? I don't know. Just Deborah is very emotional and I love her for it so much. I just don't, I'm not saying Deborah can't handle it. It's just she has dealt with a lot in this last year after the ice cream, or the ice truck killer

with, I had to do it one time again. Count. Take a drink. Yeah, after the 15,000. times I did it last season. After what happened with Biny, Brian, Rudy, in the last season, that's a tough question. I mean, obviously we know that Dexter has kept hidden who he really is from Debra, and I got to imagine at some point in the seven seasons will be revealed to Debra. This is a hard one, John.

I just think, yes, eventually he will maybe have to tell her. I mean. But she also had a closed off relationship with him, too. but she does, I think, like, the truth always comes out. She's going to find out. Now, I think really, really quick, and I'll let you answer. I think, like, this is the thing. If she finds out that Dexter knew and he didn't tell her, she's going to be pissed.

Yeah. That's the thing I'm worried about. But if Dexter does tell her, she's definitely going to be, like, she's going to feel it emotionally. Of course, it's her father, took his own life. But at least Dexter will have been honest with her. Like, she'll be able to handle it. It'll take her some time to handle it. but at least Dexter was honest with her about it

as opposed to finding out that Dexter kept something hidden which we know he's keeping something way more hidden than that but what are your thoughts? I mean, yeah, I think the complication arises in Dexter's own grappling with the idea and the question of how much he had to do with this. I mean, I think he should tell. I think Debra has a right to know.

You know, I think he should tell Deborah because that's her dad, you know, and the risk therein is that, yes, maybe this was partially in response to what I revealed to him. But I think she absolutely deserves to know. It's mostly, yeah, I guess a dramatic question of how awkward would that be and when is the right time? And can she, I get why you would think, well, can she handle this?

But I think it's something different, you know, because it's got nothing to do with her. there's nothing she could have done about it you know and it's not something that was in direct reaction to anything that she did so I feel like you know it's different from everything that happened with Rudy because you know obviously she entered

into that and it has to do with her own ability to suss these things out and to you know read clues that you don't need to know to be looking for all that stuff I think he should definitely tell her I just don't know exactly when or how that happens and to your previous

question I mean I think it's probably a little bit of everything it seems like the point of the flashbacks in this season has been to kind of fill in the you know gaps and to hip us to the idea that harry was a complicated guy and the kind of person who could recognize what's in dexter and then commit to shaping that into some different form that's maybe a little bit more benevolently inclined than not like you know you got to be a little bit of an outside of the body mind to entertain that idea at all, I imagine. So, and yeah, I mean, we've learned all that stuff about, you know, his arrangement with the biological dad, with his entanglement with Dexter's biological mom, him taking Dexter, leaving Brian, all these things.

You know, Harry seems like a guy, yeah, with like a great heart and a moral code for sure, but also a complicated guy who I think they thematically touched on, you know, who was very much grappling with. the boundaries, the limitations of the law as it is carried out in society. And I have to imagine that in a situation like that, you know, it's like, yeah, I'm torn up that these people get away on technicalities and stuff like that,

but also my own son has literally brought this home and is like hacked this guy up and like, I know I've been trying to curb these urges, but also like I'm presented with it to my face now. And I can imagine, yeah, very much that it's kind of all this stuff. It's the soup

of all of it. And I liked that the stay away from me, man, that came out of Doaks's mouth, sounded very different from the stay away from me that Harry says, even though I have a feeling that there's something similar at the core of both. I think they're both in that moment. Like, just don't come any

closer to me right now. Like, I, you know, don't try and fix it. It's not going to be fixed. And you can't help right now. Yeah. And in Harry's situation, he's still trying to kind of shield the feelings such that they are such a crazy parallel between the two visuals.

Yeah, I think it's nicely drawn dramatically so that you can wonder and you can draw certain conclusions and there are a lot of good arguments for a lot of different sides of this and I think that's part of what's nice about the drama is that you get to wonder too. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he tells Debra when.

I would expect he maybe would just because again, like, right she deserves to know that because you know he's both their dad ultimately and i think also too yeah i agree with you and i think also too if he does tell her which she does deserve to know does that cut into their relationship at all i don't think it does but i think like there is yeah it's like he can't tell her the no no no no no no no no no no i didn't mean that i just mean like i think from a you know she like there's kind of this animosity that Deb feels in regards like she's not mad at Dexter for it it's just like it's a resentment it's a resentment that she knows that her father

just spent all this time with Dexter and she doesn't know why yeah so she just thinks he's he's got to yeah and he's got to stretch the truth so much about it like he can't tell her why so yeah it becomes this situation of okay i can kind of tell her but i can't yeah so it's yeah it makes it very precarious and difficult at the same time for text so i mean yeah it's it they set it up nicely and dramatically for to see like what the hell is going to happen i don't know 100% yeah also what do you think about deborah and lundee's relationship will go from oh and do you think it's going to go anywhere they both seem pretty serious about it do you think deb might

be going into another serious relationship this so fast to cope with her last serious relationship with the ice truck killer or do you think that lundee might remind deb of her father in some ways which is why she got so attached because lundy gives her that validation she wanted from her that's a very fascinating point you make there emma and i did feel that way before you mentioned that i said there's a lot because there's so much she didn't get from her father and this is like a validating stance on that with this relationship she has with this man that was so absent in her relationship with

her father because he was spending so much time with Dexter like stopping the urges and training him obviously in the coat of Harry and all that and again she doesn't know why but yeah like she is so lonely emotionally physically and especially with what happened with Biny in last

season and but this doesn't feel like also too it it really does not what's his name Gabriel that kind of felt like a rebound to me, whereas this one feels genuine because they really took their time

on that end. Lundy, you know, when like he was giving her these motivational and mentorship type of talks, it's kind of talks like her, that she wanted to hear from her father or someone of that type of like, you know, mentor type of

relationship. And I like how they really took their time building that up and like little talks of like, hey, the way you're feeling right now, like use that to your strength and and such and i know john shipped that that relationship early on which was again very very good call but i think because they slowly had us we had a real nice slow burn on that like we really got time to get very emotionally invested in that relationship of these two and they have just such nice on screen chemistry that i never really at any time felt

that it really rushed into this relationship or i feel like this is a rebound of any sort I really, and also too, when you felt the deep hurt that she felt when he said, like, there's kind of an expiration date on this when the case ends. Like, I mean, like, if this was just a rebound for Deb, I don't think she would be bothered or hurt by that. So, like, to me, it doesn't feel like that. This truly does feel like a true serious relationship. And that's why I also the fact, like, taking away the relationship, I actually really like Lundy. Like, yeah, he's a very hard-ass kind of guy when it comes to his job and he takes it very seriously and he's by the book.

but also like he's a very caring and genuine guy too and he does give a shit about Deb and that was like it also had a lot of meaning too when he said like hey I kind of wanted to break this thing off not because I don't give a shit about you but because I was kind of afraid like I had an ARP on me like kind of an old joke at himself which I thought was really funny but also like I understood it too I get it but like no this actually this relationship has a lot of emotional weight and meaning and I don't feel like it's it's at all a rebound and any which way, and I think Deb takes it extremely serious. Oh, yeah. I mean, I felt like the way that this relationship sparked was really fun to watch because obviously they do the gradual buildup partly, you know, as it exists behind the sort of, can we even entertain this idea? You know, like, there's clearly some kind of allure between them or some kind of just they seem to get along, you know, once we get past all the stuff about, you know, like, take me off your task force.

And she's, you know, feeling very sort of enclosed, you know, and he helps to kind of empower her and open her up. And there's a lot of lovely gradual growth there. And I feel like, yeah, I would agree. Like the Gabriel relationship, charming though it was, does seem more like, okay, this is the rebound to get back out there. And then Lundy is the sort of like, oh, I've recognized an opportunity that I'm excited by and that I'm attracted to, but also that could be good for me. And so, yeah, I feel like it's almost sort of a sign of moving past the rebound because it's like, yeah, Gabriel is sort of perfect on paper in a lot of ways and is a perfectly charming guy. But Lundy, to your other question, I think, yeah, is a suave and interesting in general. Charming.

You know, yeah, he's very charming and their little asides about music and sandwiches and his little quirks and stuff. Just like the personal side that we see is, you know, very lovely. but yeah, I would agree that he certainly has some kind of fatherly quality, some kind of, you know, some kind of mentor-like quality. And, yeah, I absolutely would believe that he is sort of providing some of the validation that she feels like she must have missed. And it's an interesting bit of psychology, obviously, because, yeah, I mean, you know, not that they look exactly alike or sound exactly alike,

but they also could be more different, you know. uh you know him and uh and harry and uh you know james remar so uh yeah i mean i think it's a really nice development for her like it's in i guess you know in timeline wise it's sort of still within that rebound phase but not like lundie doesn't feel like that to me and i feel like his his um you know view on the the timeline of things like i don't know where to where to imagine it might go i mean part of my my tv brain goes i assume this will disappear once season two ends my unfortunately i think you're right yeah which you know is sad i hope we're both wrong yeah it would be it would be a fun subversion if we just discover that like you know yeah

he moves on from miami pd or he just stays on the show i i would love that too i mean like i could just imagine some situation where like yeah just because he's not in miami all the time and you know just because the case is concluded maybe they can still it doesn't mean they can't still see each other Doesn't mean they can't give the long-distance thing to try. You know, I'm curious, but I have to imagine this is a show where, like, your, yeah, major guest stars maybe probably only last for a season in any major way. So I guess the best thing I could hope for is that they, you know, keep up, you know, their relationship off-screen or something.

I don't know. Yeah, I mean, we'll have to see. It's definitely interesting. But you know how Vince would have answered the last part of that question? Do you think Lundy might remind Deb of her father? Well, I did hear Deb when they were. I did hear Deb when they were banging each other. She did call him Daddy.

Oh, golly. Oh, golly. We love Vince around here, guys. You're not just saying. C.S. Lee, shout-up, baby. But I do like it. And I do like the complications of, like, how do we tell people? Should we tell the office?

And I'm sitting here going, like, what are even the rules about interoffice romance in a police-slash-fbi-investigation? And, yeah, their intimate scenes together have been really lovely when they're at his department. you know, they're cooking together. Like, yeah, I think, and their performance is back and forth. Like, I, I wasn't kidding. Like, as much as there are elements of it that you could argue are problematic. I do find the, the Deborah Lundy relationship very lovely and wholesome in a lot of ways. I agree with you.

And you know what I found very interesting as well? That La Gorta had that look towards the deb when she said, you're sleeping with Lundi, and it's like, do you have the moral high ground right now to question her for sleeping with someone? when you were sleeping with Pascal's fiance to get back your job which I get why you did but that was still messed up but yeah well and then it speaks to LaGuerreta and where she's at at that point in time

she doesn't really make a thing out of it like you can tell that everyone's looking is making their comments about Deb you know behind her back or whatever but like all the stuff with LaGuerta past that point especially as it pertains to like when she goes into ream her out and it doesn't go her way

It doesn't go Deb's way. And LaGuerta is basically just like, I am just concerned for my friend and I'm not going to play any of these other games. Fair. Like, I appreciated that. No, and I get it. It was genuine surprise when she made the comment,

but I always usually read subtext in each comment. Oh, of course. And again, it was just like about, you don't have the more high ground to be making a questioning statement right now, but I understand. But I think that's, I think it's partly why they didn't make a bigger deal out of that.

Yeah, fair enough. I think LaGuerreta, in a previous. like earlier in the show Leguerta might have made a thing out of that or they would have gone further to ribbing dab whereas I feel like LaGuerta for as many transgressions that she's

been responsible for. Yeah, she's just that one little surprise line that we'll just leave it at that. Yeah, yeah. So we won't make too big of a deal out of it. Yeah, fair enough. Fun, fun. All right. Anyway, thank you. Thank you for all the questions, guys. This has been an incredible two episodes

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see all right uh let's see rejects says nick see thank you nick for china timing in as I rearrange the desk here for maximum visibility. Nick wants to know or has this to say. Rejects, thank you for reacting to Dexter. Thank you for watching. This has been an absolute blast of joy. It's been inspiring. It's been twisted.

All that good stuff. Seriously, one of my favorite shows, continues, Nick. My question is how you guys felt about Dexter killing another person who accepts him and his dark passenger. Is it because he sees them as only as killers and can't get past his code? Or is it that he just can't accept anyone who sees his dark past?

Interesting. I mean, yeah, obviously we remember what happened with Biny and how much that hurt him to do in the previous season because, like, Brian, his brother, saw him for who he really is and he could be himself around him. So we know how much. And also he finally got his brother back,

someone from his past, right? So we know how much that really hurt him. and I think though in regards to Lila like you ask a very fascinating question and I don't disagree with it but I think like I think with Lila like her fate was like he gave her ample amount of opportunities to walk away I gave her stern warnings I think once she kidnapped the children Rita's kids because those kids mean a great deal to him they humanize him a great amount and so once she kidnapped the kids and put him in the the I think it was her her place right and she lit the place on fire and left all three of them for dead I think her fate was kind of sealed at that point so there is no like hey does she accept him as or does he accept like not accept dark passenger throw all that out the door she she's a goner at that point I did think for a moment like wow is this going to be a a character that's looming off like into the next season I thought that was a possibility that they were going to do which would have

been definitely fascinating but I understand the results. off to just nope he's going to follow her into the depths of wherever she goes and obviously it was paris on flight 180 of course right that's right but yeah no i mean final dextination yeah i mean code or no code like once once the kids lives were at stake and she did that and to him of course like she was a goner yeah i would say that i don't think that it would i don't think it has to do as much with the fact that it's somebody who could see you know see his true nature the dark passenger what have you i think it's yeah like the real question mark of this is is the prospect of dokes is his whole like you know debate over what to do about dokes and you know obviously the code

frequently kind of derails that plan of like i can't actually hurt this guy because you know he's not he doesn't fit the criteria isn't fit the bill uh lila yeah it's like i think you're right he gave her ample opportunity to uh to turn back to you know just let it go and and move on move on and she didn't do that and uh and it's clear that while she does you know see and have sympathy for you know the dark passenger within him she also has her own and and hers is wild and chaotic and tenacious in its own way and yeah at a certain point she does so many awful things that it's like well you kind of got to go yeah it's like after what she does to angel yeah after what she does the kids after what she does to you know the people she's burnt up in fires that we know about

and dokes and i mean uh doaks in context of her yeah what she did to dokes oh well yeah i mean yeah i mean yeah she's i mean yeah she's i mean granted she's responsible for sorry yeah no no you're good uh aftermath like of course yeah i apologize i didn't mean to cut you i was just help I was just adding a little too. I was just saying granted, like she did it for a cause, like it was to help Dexter, you know, in order to be free. Granted, she did that. But obviously, like, Doakes is a character we love, but sorry, continue.

No, yeah, it's like I don't think that her, what was I going to say? It's like her interest in Dexter feels very selfish. And so, yeah, it's like anything that could be sort of in terms. It's like no, no, no, like, it's because I see you and because I want to help you. I feel like a lot of that you could kind of You know, rebuke with the simple fact that like she's constantly manipulating him and and whenever he pulls away She does these outrageous things to pull him back in and seems to really want to wrap him around her finger and have her be the center of his world And so yeah, it's like I think it's just unfortunate that she is the way she is because yeah, it's like if she was a you know she wasn't prone to arson and murder to some extent and various other you know

forms of miscreants uh if that's a word uh you know yeah i think there could be a conversation about you know i feel like she would be alive and able to just you know kind of be one of his outlets for you know figuring all this stuff out but uh yeah i don't think it's so much about him being bound by the coat i don't i don't think it's so much about him uh you know being spooked that people see the dark passenger i think it's more that yeah she's gone way too far all these you know brian her they've gone way too far they fit the mold yeah you know you've got a person like dokes who certainly he considers killing in various ways and certainly you know sets up and uses but even that he's not like responsible for because he keeps coming back to the whole like he doesn't fit

the code thing um so yeah i think it's and dokes obviously sees him is i guess what i'm trying to get at with that is that dokes sees him, sees the dark passenger, has always known something else lurks within Dexter. So, uh, you know, his grappling with what to do about dokes, I think is sort of proof that it's more about the code than it is. For sure. And just, yeah, totally. And just one other observation. The three people he's been, I wouldn't say close to dokes, but just he's had a history with docks. He knows dokes very well. But he was close with Lila. And he was, of course, you know, was his biological brother with Biny. But the three. people who know him the most like know what he really is all three of them like you know had very

dark fates uh happened upon them so it's going to be fascinating to see you in the next because there's eight eight seasons right is i don't know however many seasons there are yeah however many seasons there are it's going to be fascinating because obviously we don't know what happens you and i because we have not watched the show but it's going to be fascinating whether it's Rita, Deb, or La Guerta, whoever learns the truth about Dexter, are they going to actually survive and then, like, how do they, or Angel, because we know how much Angel adores Dexter, that's his best friend, it's going to be fasting if these characters actually get to survive, like, how do they react to this situation? Do you just move on and like, oh, no, I know Dexter, well, no,

I really don't? Oh, wow, this guy's a vigilante, even though it's kind of like, you know, he's like anti-hero but it's like it's going to be fascinating to see like if when they actually keep a character alive that knows the real dexter i'm very fascinated to see how that works when you you think you know someone but then you don't how do you react to that so i'm curious to see how that works yeah it's like it's sad that he has to do this to somebody who sees and accepts him um but yeah i don't think it's so much about like as you know like harry saw and accepted him to a I mean, Harry sculpted him and at least accepted him to enough of a degree that, that, you know, he could mentor him. So, I mean, you know, obviously there's some degree of acceptance there.

Agreed. So I'm chopping up that body and the thing at least, right? Yeah. Or at least in that moment, just stay away from me. And we don't, you know, no more context. Because I'm sure there might be a twist on that. Who knows? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's, you know, there are lots of nuanced discussions you could have about the context and, you know, where the act. actual line is in terms of yes seeing and accepting right but uh but yeah i like you know bring this question back i think or we could revisit this question if at some point there is a character who like clearly knows clearly sees clearly understands and accepts and isn't you know breaking the code you know then my curiosity will be piqued again because i'll be like yeah is a great point is there some kind of that's a great point if it does break the code and someone does see him for who is that would be very fascinating to me totally agree with you like what do you do in that situation absolutely yeah and what are they going to do about that you know yeah yeah totally what does it mean they can

see him but thank you for thank you next day it's an interesting thing to entertain absolutely all right lindsay duede dude either one let us know thank you for uh chiving thank you john and andrew i hope you've been enjoying i hope you've been loving forgive me season two so far we have both seasons confirmed did you expect for the show to deal with dexter almost being caught so early or that they would get rid of a character as prominent as dokes in season two have fun in season three well lindsay much thank you lindsay for the question for being a royal reject we appreciate it i think you know my answer on toks i was shipping that relationship so hard with them and deb and just in in regards to toks i think this show did such a good i'll answer

and a half a second here, but I just want to say that they did such a good job. I know we've mentioned this a couple times, like, in the first episode, like, I feel like we're going to hate this character and then within an episode or two, I'm like, oh, I'm loving this cat and mouse like interaction, like, I know

you're not what you seem, and it's just he was a character that had so many layers about him, the more you got into his backstory and the more they developed him, he's such a fascinating character. And Eric King, is that his name, right? Yes. Yes, I believe so. He just brings so much gravitas so much presence and he's also extremely damn charming as well i just the way he emotes his

i just there's so much about him i adore as an actor and as a character and to say like i'm saddened by his uh his apparent exit from the show as a character as an actor is like undercutting how i really feel like i'm really devastated i yeah we'll have to see what happens as we go along because I know the first four seasons are so damn adored by the, you know, a great deal of people. So I'm curious where we go with the storyline here, but I'm extremely devastated, not because of my, my stupid prediction with him and Deb being shipped, whatever, I just love this character so much. So I was definitely shocked, although John brought up the point a couple times, which I agreed with

him. We have passed a lot of points of no returns. And Doakes is really a no-nonsense type of guy. So if you don't kill him in that situation, which, again, really broke my heart into 50 billion different pieces to do, I don't know what you do there because he's not going to let, he's not going to let go. He's not going to allow Dexter to just watch. Like, he's a man who believes in the law and is going to follow that very, like he's a, he's got a coat of dokes, if you will. And he's just not going to let Dexter just walk around. Even if, again, we might agree with what Dexter is that he's getting with.

rid of the filth of the world and he's probably saving innocent lives in the future as a result of doing this you know what i mean and he's doing what the cops can't do as but as of saying that toks is just not going to allow that to be like he will not let dexter walk around free so if you don't go that route i don't know what would happen to dexter so i understand why they had to make that unfortunate choice yeah like it it pushes the story it pushes the story forward so Yeah, it does. It speaks to that, again, willingness not to pull punches to me. I mean, like, I am fascinated by the choice because, again, I don't know how much of, you know, deal they had at the time as, you know, I feel like we live in a time now where more things get picked up for multiple seasons. Whereas, you know, I remember a time where it seemed like, you know, you kind of have to wait till partway through your show to know if you were going to get picked up again. not even if you're on cable um so part of me wonders yeah if they were just like damn we got a season two let's you know throw everything at this again not pull any punches uh i am surprised

and i do see how you could have made this again like season seven's stakes or some other later you know period stakes um because you know it's certainly such a wallup but as it stands i mean I think he's really bold to do that. I think it was, you know, obviously a great driver of tension and a great means of dissecting and further, you know, observing the character as he twists and wriggles with, yeah, being seen, being accepted in certain ways, being encouraged to embrace himself in a kind of opposite way than the manner in which Harry taught him to do so. um yeah i feel like as shows called dexter you know like obviously it's an ensemble but it's about uh you know largely concerned with this guy his frame of mind the gray area of all of that and the sort of fun in watching him do his thing but also in debating the gray morality of all of it the you know dark morality or maybe almost not morality of all it and his duality as well the immorality of it certainly um yeah

his dualities generally. I think, yeah, it was a really rich vein to tap. And it would have been a good idea kind of at any point. And yeah, the fact that it happened so soon is sort of like, oh, damn, wow. And, and, you know, to that end, I feel like, you know, the departure of doaks, the dispatching of dokes makes a lot of sense. And I mean, in that moment, I was sitting there with my lower TV brain on going like, well, we just, we, maybe they could pull some trickery, you know, like we saw him in the

explosion, you know, lifted off his feet and all that stuff. We saw him in the fire but then we cut away and we don't see him again until they find the fragment of the body with the teeth. So then your brain starts worrying and you're like, well maybe because he's so specially trained you know, like he got banged

up but he didn't die and then he like pulled his teeth out and put them in a different body and threw it in the river and you know like it doesn't make you get your convoluted sort of like wishful thinking brain going but yeah like I don't know like know I don't know much about the rest of the show and I had kind of thought that Eric King was

on it for more than this and I'm staying away from really any updates like you know I can about the resurrection show so I don't know anything about that but I am really surprised you know and I've certainly bummed out because I loved dokes as a character I mean it is again one of those things where you're between a rock and a hard place it's an unstoppable force meets an immovable object and you know yeah dokes I really enjoy him across the show I really enjoyed the journey the up and down of like yeah meeting him being like I feel like yeah we're not supposed to like this guy and then a couple episodes later being like damn this guy's really a fun to watch and be underneath the surface is a character that I actually care

about and want you know good things for and so yeah in those later moments especially when like it's all out on the table like that stuff really took me by surprise because they have done a couple dream fake outs or at least you know symbolic dream sequences and so at first you know and when he first shows up at the cabin I was sort of like uh maybe this is a dream and then you know pretty soon it becomes clear I was almost in disbelief at the end of that particular episode with that reveal that you know there he is and he's ready for him and they have the standoff and uh yeah like it's it just makes a lot of sense like you like you know if dokes is as smart as they've established him to be then this showdown had to happen

and I really enjoyed the characterization of their back and forth in the shack because you know obviously there's especially dokes goes through like a whole cycle of emotions where at first you know obviously there's

the rage and anger and the sort of like I was free and right about you but then it gives way to other things to you know I don't know if he's ever 100% being authentic trying to connect with him but his like de-escalation technique uh was really fun to watch because it was a brief moment where like he and dexter kind of just talking like on some kind of level with each other there's not necessarily like the animosity up front or the attitude up front like

they're actually honestly talking as people and you know that whole thing about how similar they are I thought was a really lovely kind of touch and yeah just the whole debate of them was great and I could have kept watching it forever and so you know I think there is that it obviously speaks to the tenant that you should leave them wanting more I am sad though like this is a you know

a character that I am like actually in this moment and I imagine in the coming days will be like thinking back on and be like damn man I'm sad I won't get to see him in season 3 so you know I'm team dokes flash all the way. I feel like if we could jigsaw douges into this just via flashbacks every episode.

Oh, that's a good point. You could always do flashback. That's a good way to bring, for sure, bring him back. I think, too, really quickly, I think it was really, like, watching him, like, being imprisoned in the cabin. Like, that was some of my favorite acting from Eric King

because he was really out of his element. He was being framed for something he didn't do. He knew he had truly met his match against Dexter. And, like, but to watch, like, Eric King's vulnerability as the character of dokes like it was just it was really like a it was really like it was scary

and and it was I thought he just did a a very nuanced job at like conveying that as a character because like usually he's totally in control of the situation. Yeah. So to see him like in such a precarious situation as as dokes

it was so out of his element. Yeah yeah it was so out of his element and I was just like I'm like dude this guy is so versatile as an actor. I'm like, I really like appreciate him so much. I'm going to, again, just like you, Team Dokes, I'm really going to miss him so much. And the other part of the question was, did I think like Dexter was like this early on in the season's going to get this close to getting caught? I don't know. Like, I wasn't in the back of my mind. I know there are more seasons. So like at the end of the day, I knew he wasn't probably going to get caught because there's more seasons. But I will say the

show did a good job of in the moment not making me think about the other seasons. Like I would is in the moment. So that, like, I will say that. And obviously, like, you know, the show comes out at the time. I think John made a great point. They don't know how many more seasons are going to come out.

So, like, they've, at, right at this moment, we've got to put all things on deck that we want to tell. Sorry to be a repeat person on my favorite show. But, like, I remember with season five, the Smallville, they did, like, they put everything out in the line because they didn't know if they were going to continue.

And that's one of the best seasons of Smallville. And there's so much great stuff in there because they truly didn't. know if that was going to be it or not. And you can see in a lot of different storylines and elements that are in that season. So I think you make a very interesting point with that. So, no, I definitely didn't see that he was possibly going to be caught. But I like, like, in the moment, it's like whenever you watch a lot of movies, when you know,

like, all right, there's probably the hero is going to triumph and win here in the end. But, like, is the movie going to be able to not make my brain think about that and build the stakes in the moment? and even with that crossing my mind at certain points it got me to that place where I was like I have no idea how this is going to work out and then my brain goes to the next step

and says okay so maybe season three he's in prison or something but they like need his expertise or whatever like you know then I start bargaining I think you know knowing there are more seasons causes your brain I think to the first conclusion you draw is that like the status question

will be maintained all that time or, you know, just like generally minus a character departure here or there. Like the status quo of being Dexter will sort of maintain over time. And it threw me out of that assumption, which was really fun. And obviously, you know, we've gotten to a point now where

most loose ends are now closed. Yeah. And you could end the show here if you wanted to. You really could. I'm glad they're not going to, but yeah. It's weird. Like you could have ended season one there and now seasons one and two together. I feel like you could would end the show here.

I'm super glad they're not, obviously, and I've heard a lot of good stuff, at least about the coming two seasons and, you know, some mixed things about season five and then beyond that, but either way. I still want to see everything. I just want to see it all.

Yeah. I just want to see what happens. I love watching everybody. I like being in the world. So, yeah, like, quality declines are always a bummer, but at the same time, like, I'm pleased that we'll have plenty of this to look forward.

And again, I'm very curious, like how everyone's going to react to the ramifications and the consequences of what just transpired, depending on, like, time gap in season three. LaGuarda, I'm very fascinated on because she knows he was innocent. And then it comes to Deb, she had the man

that she really wanted to spend, it seems like the rest of her life with, even though it's a premature statement to make, but she was really dead set. A substantial part of life. Yeah, she was dead set on being with this guy. Angel just had a crazy thing just happened to him from Lila, what she

accused him of. Granted, he is now a free man and then Dexter had you know an identity crisis and then a whole list of events and then obviously you know the loss of dokes although like he wasn't close with him but still this whole transpire of events that

that happened how about the kids I'm curious how they like they they're so young but like a kid happened to you like a place there's so many different avenues they've grown up real fast yeah but there are so many different avenues like psychologically the season three can go

to and I'm really anxious to see what happens. Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate your thoughts and inquiry. Thank you. All righty, we got KJ. Gould up next. Okay, Jay, thank you. Thank you so much. With seasons, with two seasons of Dexter Dunn,

what do you expect in season three? And do you think he'll be able to keep Harry's code? Great question. Again, just kind of like what I was just mentioning, the biggest thing is, I think this show just does such a great job. yeah the storyline is usually very compelling and fascinating and you always like wonder like what's going to happen next like all the curveballs and the twists but like for me it's the characters man it's the characters and i i'm just so curious like where we go off next with each

character again with the children like what they just witnessed what's going to happen between rita and dexter and their relationship you know what i mean because they just went through quite a bit as well and again i really like i really felt like too I didn't have it mentioned as well and I'll continue on the path before I lose my train of thought I really felt like Julie Julie Benz

She really gave her most riveting And emotionally resonant performance And it was either episode 11 or 12 That we just watched Like again, the transformation Johnald of her character From you know The person who was kind of just pushed around

And didn't really have a spine To the presence that she currently is now It's really been astounding to watch And see you like what she has become, and she's had to become this, you know, and her growth has been just, it's been intense and, I don't know, fun's the

right word, but just like, but, like, just fun her performance, rather. She's just been incredible. It's a rich performance. It is really incredible, like. It's rewarding in a way because, yeah, you're, it's, it just feels like a different person, but like it's credit to Julie Bennett. She's incredible, but the relationship

feel, too, it just feels totally different from when they started to where they are now and she's just not the pushover she used to be so it's just it's incredible to watch like I love watching badass females and she really does and I know Deb is one as well but like she really feels like she's truly

growing into one or has become one rather and she's really arrived so like I really I mean obviously she had moments like we saw with like setting the dog from the neighbor in the first season and other moments like that and standing up to Paul right I believe it's she's had great moments but like I really feel

like it's like she's become a bad ass character in her own right and I really love her but I'm fascinating to see where we go with in that relationship and there's just so many so many different components that just really fascinating me even Vince I love Vince too like I'm curious to spin off yes I would love Vince on the internet all all episode long but yeah I just there's so many different things I don't know exactly know what to expect because the show throws so many twist turns and curveballs at us sure but I just know like I know that I'm in for a roller coaster ride but like the best kind of roller coaster ride and do I think he'll be able to keep Harry's code I mean we know he just dealt with a real internal and identity crisis this whole season and it kind of left us in a place where he you know it showed us where Harry like kind of said like stay away from me but I feel like we're going to get more on because I think the internal dialogue that he has with himself and like showing those flashbacks just. really goes along with his duality

and then just showing what shaped him up into like what he is now but I think like the identity crisis that he dealt with like it was such a fascinating angle to take it in season two so I think there's going to be points and turns like I think that's something we all deal with in life there's times where like

is what we're doing is this the right way I should be operating in this way or like we there's a lot of things we go through in life where we question things so I think it's like the right way to just be you know to predict that yeah there's going to be times he's going to question harry's code but i feel like at the end of the day like he knows the man that raised him and the man that

believed in him so i feel like he's still going to operate under the code of harry i'll always believe that until i see like this is dead it's buried i'm never going to go with harry's code and i'm going this is the new code so what about you yeah uh season three expectations boy i don't i don't really have a specific idea in mine partly because again I didn't really see where all of this was headed. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, I don't know, just with everything.

I got one, sorry, while you're thinking, Pascal is going to cheat or have an affair with LaGuarda's boyfriend. That's going to happen. She's going to get pay-bam. Definitely. Sorry, sorry, go ahead. And then she's going to go serial killing people's fiancé. Yes, yes.

Yeah, season three, I mean, like, because of, all of the you know stuff surrounding you know dexter and dokes is taking care of for now um i don't know like i i i really appreciated how this season used its guest stars because you did have one that was something of a villain and certainly you had lundie who i loved it is a you know is a one of our good guy characters you know and the characters who's very enjoyable very likable but an antagonist to Dexter the killer um so i mean i expect some kind of you know special guest star uh and uh it's i don't know it's weird i want to have a satisfying answer to this question um and i mean like i'm trying to count up what the loose ends were at the end of the

finale at this point i'll say this i really think legwarta and i think this is an easy prediction to make she's not letting go of believing that dokes is that dokes is yeah dokes is death and his innocence and she's going to continue to even though like she said i'll let the case go and believe that he was the bay harbor butcher the green bay packers i i i butchered that a couple times probably doing the thing right i'm really like i am apprehensive to say that she is just just move on and but i'm still going to mourn for this guy who i was close with like as a partner and it seems like they had a little bit of romantic thing

right in the past a little bit right was it was it did they or no yeah yeah yeah no that's confirmed yeah yeah they said as much I mean like I thought they were like together yeah yeah yeah I thought that's what they said I just wanted to confirm that before I like that's why I was quick yes so

I am always because too we watch these in big chunks and so yeah and we're also watching other lots of other media too so I just wanted I just wanted to make sure I just wanted to make sure but the point of making is I feel like she's going to have that Excuse me I feel like she's going to have that Dokes and Lila level of obsession of just

She's not letting this go She's going to be very hardened in the next season And she is going to Like find any kind of thing that she can to prove Doakes is innocence Even if that means taking Dexter down And like as much as we know She loves and feels that charm towards Dexter

If she finds out the truth about Dexter She's taking him down oh of course yeah yeah like and i wonder i mean like the thing is i don't expect necessarily like specifically this season will be the season where leguerta is hunting dexter you know like i don't think they'll go for a the same kind of dynamic again but uh i can definitely see that being one of the potential conflicts one of the things that you know is uh at least a possibility at some point down the line uh so So, yeah, you know, like the way all the things end off, you know, and everything with Lila and everything, you know, it feels like there is a sort of blank slate for Dexter now because at least the immediate threats to his visibility are taken care of or are gone for now.

And so, I don't know. I really don't know. I almost expect some kind of greater external force for next season. as opposed to, you know, yeah, an internal force or... Because, you know, they got to find something new to do and he's got this... Like a biny firm for this season, right?

Of some kind, right? Yeah, I mean, like, again, I think they've gone with some very personal characters, obviously, because yeah, you've had Brian, you've had Lila, you know, Brian deeply connected from the past. You have Lila, who's a new person,

but who very much sees the present and, you know, they both have their, you know, hooks in him to some extent and in a very personal way. I could see another serial killer character perhaps arising. I don't know if it would necessarily be a close person.

And I don't know how much more interrogating of Harry's code we're going to do. Partly because to the second half of your question, you know, as, you know, will he be able to keep Harry's code into season three? I mean, sort of. I feel like it's kind of in the monologue, the internal monologue there

where he says like, you know, it's my code now. It's the code of Dexter. And the code of Dexter is derived from the Code of Harry. It's, you know, largely, you know, it's the sourdough starter of the Code of Dexter is the Code of Harry. It's an evolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. That's what I meant more on like, yes, the Code of Harry's still.

Just personified into his own. But he's still going to follow the Code of Harry in somewhat form. Well, that's the question, I think, is will the Code of Dexter amend the Code of Harry in a way that expands upon it or directly in some way contradicts it or whatever because you know partly through this season we've interrogated the facts

of Harry's life as they've been revealed in hindsight and yeah Dexter's own feelings about the code and you know he's been you know to a point where he's basically kind of dropping it and then to other points where he's coming back and going no you know

Harry was right though and so yeah I feel like an amended version of the code will happen maybe we'll even get some kind of treatise on what the new code is we'll see um but yeah i feel like harry's code whether it is followed to a t or amended in some way will be a thing it seems like it would have to be as long as dexter exists um but yeah i'm just excited my biggest point of contention is i just i find it hard to believe that dexter as as much as that itch is always there to like you know to take people out i just don't see him taking out anyone who's innocent and has not deserved it.

That is where I'm like, I draw the line at seeing him do that. Stuff like that seems like, yeah, it's well ingrained within him now. Yeah. You know, that, yeah, he would have to, he still has his MO, which is, yeah, taking out the trash, you know? Yeah, I will say, though. I mean, it's going to be interesting to see him put in a position where he might have to. Yeah.

I think it's at least heartening that, you know, we've gone through this whole season and had all the stuff with Rita and the fact that he recognizes that Rita and the kids bring him a very important element of humanity and he chooses that and he fights for that by the end of the season and I think that is a sign

that yeah to some degree the core tenets of Harry's Code will remain absolutely all righty Landon Miller thank you so much

John and Andrew one of my personal favorite seasons is now done I can see why, man. This was a ride. I'm still reeling from this. So what did you guys think of Dexter's inner conflict about turning himself in? Do you think he would have actually confessed if things hadn't changed?

And how do you feel about the fate of dokes and how it wrapped up the Bay Harbor butcher case? I think before he had that steak with the dinner rather with Deb. I really think he was contemplated. He was really set on bringing himself in. And I think that that whole conversation really made him realize and understand the things that are so important and the things that humanize them and realize what true freedom means. And I think like that's what led him on the path to know. Like this is worth fighting for. Like this is why I need to keep myself, you know, out of prison and like have a life that is a, uh, um, I need to have to have a life that is a, uh, um, I need to have a.

a life that has meaning and this isn't the meaning is the people that are in it it's Rita it's the kids it's Deb and no I'm not I'm not like yes I was going to go away for them to like to kind of soften the blow for them a little bit

which is protecting them in a sense but no they are worth fighting for and I'm going to fight for them well you can almost argue it's like a self there is an element almost of it's a it's a really interesting crossroads between self and selflessness because you know him turning himself in in a lot of ways he looks so light and he

looks so kind of uh almost giddy about it and it seems like you know that would have been a easy way to bring himself at least a temporary kind of relief part of me wonders if he had actually done it and then gone through with it if he would have regretted it pretty fast but yeah but yeah i liked the framing of that as sort of like actually you know a i'm better when i am connected to again the people in my life who I actually do despite my perceived lack of feeling care about you know I need to be there to protect Deb and Rita and whoever else but also knowing that this is who I am is going to devastate them even more and after all both of those characters have been through that seems like an enormous cruelty as well so you know obviously there's

kind of like no there's no moral and I guess the moral answer to turn yourself in there's no really like good answer if you're Dexter but yeah but yeah I don't know like I can imagine a world in which he did but I never was sitting there expecting it to happen but even then I benefited the doubt of it you know part again

I had that thought of like well maybe season three is working with them from print like in Hannibal Lecter capacity or something like that but um and that was fascinating too that the couple shots where they showed Deb's reaction to him saying he's the Bay Harbor butcher I thought that was, like, where she, like, freaked out, she shot him or whatever the other reactions were.

I thought that was really fascinating because, again, this is a very easy assumption or prediction, although most of mine have been wrong at this point. I got to imagine at some point, Deb is going to find out, right? That's the easy assumption at some point. I would have to imagine. And I'm curious how she reacts as a woman of the law, a woman who loves her brother so dearly, not having no, trust him so deeply. so deeply not having known this entire damn time and also the fact of learning like wait dad dad knew this whole time and and trained you to do this or at least like brought you about to do this so it's going to be like that's the biggest i know i kind of mentioned earlier

like i'm fascinating to see all the people closest around them if they do discover devs is the one i'm most interested to see yeah when she finds out the the truth whenever that is season three season four, season five, whatever it is, last episode of season seven or eight, whatever, hers is the one I'm most fascinating, because we know she can be extremely emotional, understandably so. But hers is the one that

interests me the most. We kind already talked about it, I guess we can talk a little more. How did we feel about the fate of doaks and how it wrapped up the Bay Harbor? I will, yeah, beyond heartbroken. I did not mention this, though, John, and to you guys, I thought like how everything was

starting to get stacked up again. Because originally dexter was not trying to frame him it just ended up happening that way and then once it started stacking up against him and in dexter's favor for the frame he's like i might as well just embrace this and now get to get myself out of this pickle this is not going against the code of harry so let me let me like stack the deck more against uh dokes but it just ended up working out that way to where now dexter is going to be doing this but the way everything did again because it's so smartly written like him ducking out of the

interview because he realized, holy crap, Dexter is the Bay Harbor butcher and then some of the other things where he left the, he found the blood vials, he left him in the trunk because I guess at that point Lundy had had some surveillance or whatever following him and they checked it.

All the things that had happened prior to that and like this makes total sense why it's incorrect but it makes total sense at this point why they would think he is the bay harbor butcher so i thought that was against such an interesting angle to take yeah i'm bummed i'm you know i'm hated i'm big bummed and obviously i think it's an interesting device for the season because one thing this season i think did uh quite vividly was make dexter

his own villain and uh and what better a way to do that than by turning him against a character that we many of us i'm sure some people don't like it but you know many of us really a character that we all enjoy watching but also who you know we know can't sort of coexist with this and so um yeah i mean like i think it's interesting yeah that they had it makes me wonder uh a how much of the book they adapt in the first season versus you know was this spread out over two seasons is this multiple books is this you know not even a full book either way you know it carries through season one because of that whole instance with the guy on the bridge and that's sort of like wait a minute what's going on why you just kill that guy um and then you know the ex uh ranger dude as well um so yeah

i think like the build up of his uh you know the deaths caused in the line of his duty you know uh it makes for a nice setup to that and then yeah certain moments that are smartly played between him and dexter especially that whole like headbut thing oh yeah i was just thinking about that as you said too. That's funny. Yes. Yeah. And his like very casual, like, I'm just going to walk out now. And like, you know, and it's a diabolical move on Dexter's part. And so, yeah, it's like, it's a bummer because like a lot of what Dexter did there hurts and sucks and is unfair from a contextual standpoint. Not like, you know, I don't, I think it's, you know, it's very engrossing writing and performance.

I really enjoyed watching. But also, yeah, left me with that feeling of like, God damn, I wish they could find some way to work it out. For sure. Um, but yeah, like I never would have, if you asked me who he would frame at first, I'd be like, God, I don't know. Um, but yeah, like having it be that this sort of like nemesis of his who also clearly has his own code and who also clearly acts on his own instinct, his own gut, his own will, uh, you know, there is a certain level of, you know, common ground that can be drawn between them, even if it's not, you know, 100 or even 50%. Um, so. That's what I thought to was possibly going to happen. Maybe ideologically speaking, they might have somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Found eye to eye, but that just wasn't going to happen.

Yeah, it's like you're bargaining with yourself because you know it can't happen. And so, yeah, like him going down as the Bay Harbor butcher, like, I think it has the desired dramatic effect where it's like, God, I'm sad. I'm really sad about that because I know it's an injustice to the character in context. You know, I know it's this poor guy. We know the truth. We know this guy's intentions. We know at least his heart or to some degree. And for him to be remembered as the Bay Harbor butcher hurts when you've spent the time that we've spent with him.

And seeing LaGuarda, you know, holding steadfast and that whole thing about like, we're not memorializing the Bay Harbor butcher. We are memorializing our friend and coworker James Doakes. And so it's, it's, again, a nice driver for attention because you're like, damn, man, I want to see justice for this guy. and his name cleared except you know I also it's Dexter and I love Dexter too

and this was messed up but you know Dexter's our protagonist and he's our boy so yeah very conflicted but in the right ways I would say in the desired ways you know I don't think you're supposed to be happy that this happened necessarily and I think they did a nice

job of doing it in such a way where because partly it's Lila and you know it's well within her character to do what she did you know a it's conscientious it's a way of taking care of all the stakes of the season in a way that allows dexter to continue doing his thing uh without having him break the code without having him cross over into being too unlikable and then that gets us rooting for him to want to take out lila so yeah i i am sad i am actively mourning the fact that we most likely will not be spending any time with eric king in the context of dexter anytime soon um and yeah

like it sucks in context a lot um and you know i i think his whole back and forth with dexter the inner conflict about dexter turning himself in is so largely explored through dokes and you know i thought it was fascinating watching their performances together because yeah it's like they're negotiating and they're speaking directly but you can also tell that there are layers of double speak and you're like are they it feels like they're creating a connection or creating a common ground and at least even though they know that this situation here in the cabin cannot persist something has to give ideally we take you in dexter like even still you want to believe in those moments that like those little you know moments of empathetic

eye line are genuine or maybe they're just tactics but i don't know i thought it was all very fascinating and very beautifully acted and i'm going to miss him a whole and i agree with everything you just said very well put and also too the fact that he called him dexter for the first time was he called him to that was and also too like he was about to take him out of out when he then said like he said something about his father like I have information to tell you I forgot yeah that thing yeah he hints that you know people were that his dad was some type of laughing stock and that his death wasn't what it seemed yeah yeah and then we get that from lieutenant or captain Tom I think his name is and again I Matthews yeah and then I'm just

questioned because again the show throws so many curveballs is that fully what has happened it could be and he seemed genuine when he was saying it maybe we'll see i i have a feeling we might be revisiting that but you know my predictions have not always been the greatest we shall see golly that's a great question though would he have confessed i it may be depending on the turn of events anyway terra probably not but maybe anyway terra thank you so much Tara. This is good. I love when a question keeps scratching at your brain. For John and Andrew, thank you for

chiming in. I'm sorry if you've already discussed this. It's all good. But I'm curious about your thoughts on Lila. Was there a moment when Dexter first met her and she became a sponsor where you knew she was well, let's just say trouble for lack of another

description that I won't say, I knew you were trouble? Do you think that Deb, telling her to go away made things worse? Were you surprised by what she did to dokes in order to protect Dexter and then end up targeting the kids Okay So

I think again the actress Jamie Murray Jamie something or other Okay what what she did a phenomenal job She was Well she's extremely manipulative She's gorgeous And I think like

Watching her dissent into obsession Yeah was It was a sight to watch like and again just the way she like especially at the beginning of the season watching her deconstruct with Dexter just reading his bullshit meter and like knowing like she knows

that there's a dark passenger and this this is just a facade like it was it was great writing I thought and like it was she's a fascinating character whether you love her or you hate I can't imagine too many people loving her I mean you know I like the look of her more than I like her personality

but that's another thing you know that's more of Vincecom But I will say that her interactions with Dexter are fascinating, you know, even though, again, they hinge on more manipulation and obsession. But they are fascinating because they're grounded in reality. Then people behave this way. So did we know from the beginning that she was trouble? I think that was, yeah, that was definitely. I think we both did, right?

I would say she's well cast and she played the role with the right amount of. of that spirit yeah free is exactly the where i was going to look for is like free spiritedness that yeah upon i definitely in the first scenes where we were meeting her where they were actually talking uh i did have that thought crossed my mind of like oh you're at least even if you're a benevolent of intent you are going to be a whirlwind to deal with i gather uh yeah trouble i think is a good word you seem like trouble and i think you know the whole conceit of the support group of the narcotics anonymous group is good because obviously you're going to have people in there at least some people in there who would come across like they're a bit trouble and uh so yeah it again plays on you as a

viewer to sympathize and extend the benefit of the doubt at least initially um but yes it certainly felt like i would say arguably early on it certainly felt like she was going to be a hand handful and going to be probably not a good influence on Dexter and I very vividly remember the sort of early moments of the season especially where you're like I don't I don't trust I don't like this for summary I don't trust this but she's saying some fair things and it seems like you know stuff that a person in recovery someone like Dexter might need to hear but yeah like a deb telling her to go away I think I like that it came from a place of protection though like she is not afraid to protect the people in her life or stand up for them whether and again just an example for that like when again granted it's her boyfriend but it doesn't matter who it is whether it's dexter or lundee like when what's so sorry jonathan banks yes when jonathan banks was like whether he was taking credit or not giving enough credit to lundi and like she's literally just told him the eff off and say like this is the reason this guy is the

reason why I like like how she stands up for people like that she loves and cares for like you know and again Deb is emotional but you know she uses I think she was kind of using the words of motivation that Lundy told her earlier on when she was having trouble like moving on from her horrific experience with Biny from last season she was using that as a strength you know to to push forward and her emotion and I like that she did that and she did granted she like look, it's not, she didn't know what was going to come about of that. I think it was kind of bad timing and like her being at the apartment to see if what's her, I mean, I know the question is more just do you think her telling her to make things

worse possibly, but I think the thing that it's a lateral move honestly. Like I think things were already pretty bad and if it wasn't Deb, it was going to be something. Yeah, for sure. But I think the biggest thing that was because Dexter had a plan to get rid of Lila. I think the biggest thing. that was the and again not Deb's fault it was just bad timing when Deb went to the to Lila's apartment

or her loft whatever it was when she went there that that was like the nail in the coffin for like bad timing and now because his bag was down there and just like he was not in the position where he could use the uh that was it the what was it the shots

that he uses to yeah whatever the sedative is the sedative yeah so because she bad timing I think that's what made things worse telling her to go away she's just being Deb I think she had a fair reason to tell like this woman is a terrible influence on her brother

this woman accused Angel of some horrific things and I know Deb didn't have proof that he didn't do but she knows Angel really well and she knows the crappy influence that this woman has on her brother so you know I I know it was a fair assumption

for her to make from that perspective and she was she ended up being right so you know you can give her credit on that but go ahead and then we'll answer the the final part of the question yeah i mean i don't think her telling deb dead deb telling lila to leave town like it certainly had an effect obviously lila is the kind of thing lila would respond to in some way but yeah it seems like that was going to that message was going to continually be delivered until things came to ahead and you know deb has never at any point in any of the scenes in which lila and deb were in the same room had

any trouble being like I don't like you I don't think you're good for my brother and I think you're trouble and I think you should leave so you know it was a badass scene for Deb and yeah I guess like I'm sure it had an effect but I wouldn't really say that it made things

that much worse I think if anything it probably just moved the inevitable up a little sooner I would say the thing that made it the worst probably is when Dexter said like I'm going away and then she saw and she was like staring obsessively

with seeing him on the boat leaving with Rita and the kids I'd say that is the point of no return for her into I will do it not as yeah big of a threat yeah I would say like the point of no return is seeing that and I will do whatever it takes to make Dexter mine and that's when this whole plan you know that she had for with Angel

and then oh I can I can drop the charges but you have to be whatever like that's when this whole plan came about and then she got the and then she did the navigation system and all that, you know, to go, she didn't know she was going to find dokes up there, but which moves us into the next portion of the question, were you surprised by what she did to dokes in order to protect Dexter and then end up, I was surprised what happened to dokes was I surprised that she did whatever it took to make, to protect Dexter? No. And then targeting

the kids, no, for Dexter, I'm not surprised that Lila, a person of impulse, a person of free spirit, a person of obsession, a person who's out of their mind, I was not surprised in any way that she would be capable of going to such ludicrous matters. I'm not surprised. I was surprised that Dokes was killed for sure, but I was not surprised that she was willing to do whatever it took to protect Dexter and to make Dexter be with her. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like it's certainly in the moment you wonder maybe there's an element of suspense and part of me was thinking to myself okay is she going to i don't trust that she would ever have doke's best interests in mind or at heart but part of me sort of wondered like okay is she going to respond to this in a way

that uh suggests she might use him to some degree to her advantage in a different way when it comes to Dexter versus yeah choosing the sort of like oh my god i know who you are now i see you i realize you know all that you've been carrying around with you and if this is part of your plan then i am going to help you know see it through and she clearly knows enough to know that this guy's probably not helping dexter out in any way um so yeah like in those moments it's another one of those uh it's another one of those things where you look at it and you say to yourself like okay I know she's capable of killing people in a roundabout fashion

but this is a character yeah who is one of our main ensemble and this is a guest character so in at least the hierarchy of that consideration you know arguably dope should get out of this somehow but yeah it's weird we've crossed so many lines of no return especially with a character like Lila

and it's another one in that scene you're like would she probably I guess you know it seems like what you learn over time about lila is that yeah like she pretty much has an obsession with deck like her addiction now is dexter essentially and she is using any means possible to isolate him from any other thing in life um and sometimes that means supporting him and you know giving whatever his work is a bit of a nudge forward and sometimes that means doing something really histrionic and and outlandish like cutting catching yourself in in a fire that you set or kidnapping

the kids or things like that so yeah I mean certainly by the end it becomes very clear like that there is no line she will not cross and you get the lines keep escalating certainly and her chaotic choices

of how to you know stick and twist the knife you know only escalate but yeah in a breath I was surprised just because of the general idea that I wasn't expecting Dokes to die and even in that moment i was saying they're bargaining with myself going well maybe this place will explode but he'll make it out somehow i was 100% with you on that i really thought like

he was going to survive somehow and also i found it it was crazy too that once she realized like hey there's no way this guy is going to be with me so if i can't have him nobody will yeah fascinating again another fascinating angle to to take it yeah with it with her character so well and the the idea that yeah she does all this in order to protect Dexter and then targets the kids like that that didn't surprise me in the least because she didn't care about the kids and the kids are an obstacle between her and dexter so i i feel like that is more to be expected even than uh what she did to to talks uh so yeah yeah because we were yeah we were you and i were wrestling too for the last like two or three episodes is it the kids

is it Rita who's she taking or is it both yeah or all three rather excuse me but like yeah was we were like questioning that like who what is she going to do? to them so just glad nobody everyone escaped but again uh seeing what was psychologically what the kids are going to be wrestling with next season because that was a lot that's a lot to deal i'd be a lot for you and i to have to deal with if someone threw us in a fire and we barely survived and you know we're you know a little bit older than those children like i i'd probably have some PTSD from that no no joke so i'm fascinated by how the children are going to react to that as well yeah and now cody they made the whole point about like oh you know

Cody's not old enough to really remember what Paul was like, but Astor is. And they're both, it would seem they are both old enough to remember this shit with Lyle. Yeah. So, yeah, there's got to be some follow out from that. For sure. But thank you so much, Tara. Thank you, Tara. All right.

Corey H. About Dexter, thank you so much for chiming in. How do you feel about the fact that Dexter was essentially both hero for us viewers and the villain for the people of Miami as the Bay Harbor butcher during this season? And what are your thoughts on this plot taking place in a show's second season rather than being reserved for a final season of a show when the character's secret is finally revealed? I mean, I think that's the grounded way to do the approach, right? It is like we see him as the hero because the people don't know that he's, I mean, well, I guess they did know that he was taking out the garbage, right, of humanity. So, I mean, they did know, but like we get to spend so many waking moments with this character. so we know all about Dexter we know his inner complex we know everything about him but i think that's

the dramatic way to take it is to is the unknown and what people don't know and it adds this fear level for them of like oh my god there's this person out there but also like it adds this moral gray line like because there was some chatter where we saw i think he was in a coffee shop or something we heard some i i think again there were a couple moments where people are discussing their thoughts on the Bay Harbor Butcher. I think he's doing a good thing. I think he needs to be locked up, you know. Right, but we did see, I remember Rita and, like, Cody,

they were worried about, like, the Bay Harbor butcher. So I think, like, again, grounded in reality, there would be people, like, who don't know all the facts or don't have all the context. Even if he's taking out, like, if he's going outside the law, they would view him as a villain, even if he's, you know, not working within the constraints of the law. So, again, it's the grounded take two. It's the grounded reality and grounded take two do.

So I thought that was the right way and right approach. What about you? Yeah. I mean, I think one of the most interesting aspects of this season from a conceptual standpoint is the fact that Dexter is both the hero and the villain to himself and to us, the viewers, I think, in both capacities as well as, you know, to the you know citizens of miami it's like the middle chunk of this season and it's been really interesting to experience these in these yeah like four episode acts basically and and especially

during like act two that middle chunk of episodes it really felt like you know dexter was twisting and kind of flying off the handle and really kind of feeling himself and you know embracing himself in a very toxic uh to borrow a very current way of of describing that way. And yeah, like, I thought that was some of the most interesting stuff is the way that, like, for part of the season, I don't really like Dexter that much because he was becoming much more of a villain and becoming much more about, you know, the bloodthirst and his, you know, design of all this.

And, you know, he does start making errors in judgment or at least judgments that are coming from a different place than he normally would. And I think it's credit to Michael C. Hall's performance that you can really feel the bookends or I could this season of like, at the start, he feels like Dexter that I got to know over the whole course of season one. And then in the middle of the season, he seems like he's becoming a darker, different person. He seems like the dark passenger has now taken the wheel and is becoming the guy and has put Dexter over in the passenger seat now almost as like the light passenger. And so, you know, resolving the season at a point where he kind of comes back to himself and realizes that he's kind of gone off on this bender of sorts. I think it was really interesting. And as you said, you know, like this plot being the plot of the second season, I think it's really bold.

But yeah, it's like I can absolutely see what you mean. And I feel like, yeah, having it be that all this is revealed and, you know, I think this would have ended differently had here. he had this been the last season. You know, if this was their final season, dokes probably would have made it, or maybe at least Dexter would have in some way been found out or whatever. I imagine, I don't know,

and I know that this show... The one thing I know about this show is that there's an ending to the original chunk that people aren't very happy about. And so I don't know what that means what the context is, but yeah,

I would say that it's a it's a bold choice it's still a choice that I'm like oh it is quirky because it does seem obvious to save something like this yeah but I do think that also sometimes a choice like this a bold again choice that you know leaves no punches pulled then forces you to get that much more creative the next time and I feel like especially in an undertaking like TV

where you're working for months on end on one story and then you take a you know few months off and then you come back and you start doing it all over again you know I feel like you kind of have to throw ideally perhaps you would throw everything at the wall exhaust yourself of the inspiration for that season take some time off and then come back and then solve all those problems and like that if you accept the challenge and you rise to it then will you know beget more interesting stuff hopefully down the line um so yeah it's a quirky thing it's an interesting thing i think they used it

to good effect here people seem to really love this season i certainly really appreciated it i you know the emotional flavors are more harsh and more ugly and more feverish to some degree in this season as I perceive them. But yeah, him being both hero and villain across the board, I thought was really interesting. And yeah, there were moments where I didn't like him or didn't like the choices he was making, didn't agree with the choices he was making, even if they were pragmatic, you know, and sometimes his attitude, his display of emotion, yeah, was certainly feeling like a different, darker version of this guy. Yeah, I could definitely see this being a final season

to this show. But also, too, to what John was saying earlier, you don't, they probably didn't know it this time if this was their final season or not. So they were, like you said, they weren't pulling many punches. Well, that's a good segue, actually, to pet my chicken. Oh, I just one second, then what was, I apologize. I just wanted to say that I could understand. I will say this.

I think this was a very bold and ambitious choice what they chose to like really focusing on the inner conflicts of Dexter that they chose to focus this entire most of the plot of this season on. I think that was and with the Bay Harbor butcher I think that was fascinating because they really could have gone like it probably still would have been great

but if they would have just gone with like someone who's not as personal as a villain as like Biny was in season one but they have like a killer of the season and we've got to solve the crime. That still would have been great. I would have been down for that. Hell yeah.

But like the fact that you're like, no, we're going to sub. And again, I try not to use this word like too often. But if you subvert just to subvert and it's not interesting, it's going to kind of annoy me, honestly. But if you subvert in a bold and interesting way and it pushes the plot forward and it pushes the characters forward again in a way that is fascinating, I'm okay with it. And the show's called Dexter. So like to subvert an expectation by doing something that,

only forces you further down the rabbit hole of your central character. Yeah. I feel like you can always make an argument to do that. For sure. And like in my mind, and I personally do not like predictability, I was, in my mind, I was predicting that they were just going to go another killer of the season, which I would have been fine with as long as it's good. But the fact that they did this and it was really fascinating watching this identity

crisis that he goes on. And then Lila, a woman who is manipulative, obsessive and really deconstructs him and really like pushes them down the wrong path and like he if he doesn't turn back like he could really like just really go down a path that is like the point of no return there's a lot of fascinating elements this season

the only like thing that really like really broke my heart more than anything was obviously doaks I'm really going to be sad about that depending on what happens in the coming seasons but I'm again I've been told seasons three and four are excellent TV so I'm very very, again, interested to see what happened

and what transpires, rather. But I think they made bold and ambitious choices in regards to the plot and the characters and how they develop. So I was totally cool with it with what happened. Absolutely. And I mean, yeah, it'll be, it'll kind of matter. It'll kind of, I feel like we'll have to revisit a question like this

as we see what else the show gives us. For sure. That is going to say, that's a great point. I'd love to answer that revisit that question. Once we get like further down the line, just to see like how much more I enjoyed or would have like the season's plotline inserted maybe in a different season.

So great question though. Thank you. All right, pet my chicken. Thank you so much for being here once again. I don't know how many seasons the showrunners knew they were getting it, but I've always wondered if they were, if they knew that, sorry, I don't know how many seasons the showrunners knew they were getting,

but I've always wondered if they knew they were getting eight seasons, would they have kept dokes alive longer? He was such a good character. Well, that question too, and I'm so sorry, that makes me apprehensive to think, unless you're giving us a Dexter curveball right now to think that dokes is alive anymore in the remaining seasons with this type of question, right?

Because you're saying, like, if they knew that there were, is dokes going to be in any more, see it? Because we're playing around in our minds right now in the last like 50 or hour long that we've been doing this review, we're like, wait, is there a maybe possibility that Doakes somehow survived? Well, this type of question maybe confirms that he's not coming back, right? Oh, I mean, sir, well, yeah, I think from, I don't think there's any logical reason to assume he would come back if you were watching this in real time.

You said he could. He changed out his teeth and did something. Well, yeah, you're bargaining with it. I could see that. And I don't know, you know, you can always do some weirdo recconning. the line and yeah like I would be thrilled if there's some weird secret hatch they can pull to bring Eric King at least back onto the show somehow but flashbacks I see though it would be rad but but yeah I don't know I have to imagine that if they knew they were going to get eight seasons we would probably have spent some more time with him but then again I I am also curious to jump into some of the creative you know whatever material there is about the creatives discussing that show and what their ideas were and how they proceeded executing them i would be curious to know because yeah it seems like there's a lot of interesting behind the scenes stuff as well as what's on

screen regarding this yeah i mean john and i have already spoken at hominem about it that we ad nauseum ad nauseum is a is a type of logical fallacy thank you yeah appreciate that it's like when you attack the person instead of their argument is the ad homin yeah gotcha thank you well we have spoken at nauseam about it. And I mean, we both love Oaks. We adore him. So I would have personally loved to have seen him kept on here a lot longer. Yeah, he was terrific. I would like to revisit this type of question to see where they, you know, push the needle and move the story forward in regards to the characters as well. Because I don't know where we're heading right now. I mean, we've made some predictions. Who knows where they go from here. But I lean towards, yes, they might have kept it. Maybe another season or two

Or more, who knows? But, I mean... The longer you keep him, the more you have to come up with ways to sell that his smarts and Dexter's cunning still can't quite catch each other. And if they would have known, and again, if they would have known that they're going to do eight seasons, if they knew that from the very beginning, I got to imagine too, like they still would have had, they would have continued with this cat and mouse that he's chasing after Dexter, but he doesn't find the truth out yet. Yeah. Because again, he's just not going to let Dexter walk free when he knows. Or at least he's got to build up the evidence, right? Because he didn't know for a couple episodes.

He's got to build a case around it, right? Yeah, I would say the short answer to your question is they probably would have kept them around. Yes, sir. Bobarino and I'm sad. I don't know. I'll reserve judgment as to whether I'm sad that we live on the timeline where that didn't happen or not. Because this was a great TV. Yeah.

But appreciate you, pet my chicken. all right Tara is back thank you so much Tara for your enthusiasm today I have a couple more questions again it's all good if we touched on them we'll just be brief one from the pilot episode

you have enjoyed the you have enjoyed the back and forth relationship between Dexter and Doakes what are your thoughts on Doakes learning about Dexter and the time they spent together in their conversations while Doakes was locked in the cage and actually witnessed Dexter working at that point did you know

doke's demise was imminent you know I think we were definitely as we've touched upon I think all the way through that I was definitely bargaining in my brain of like how this could possibly work out but at the back of your mind you just look at the circumstances and you're sort of like I don't see how this can work out and if he doesn't die then he's definitely going to expose Dexter and you know so that's a good point too yeah as much as I would love him back to you and we've already pointed that out you're right like dexter's not going to be free

that's the problem or he's going to have to like look over his shoulder every every minute of the day for him I had assumed he was on the show longer but again as we have begun this journey I have done my best

to avoid anything dexter related that would give me any kind of context so like from the before times I've sort of got the impression that he was around for longer but but yeah some of my favorites of his scenes and I've loved him across the show

but some of my favorite of his scenes were in the shack there with them actually talking to each other because again even if it is just de-escalation tactics he's you know good at his job in that case or if we really are seeing him get a little bit vulnerable like that's rewarding also and I thought that stuff was really interesting and see them finally after all of this kind of talking eye to eye man to man

and dropping a lot of the performative animosity and just, you know, really working this problem I thought was really cool and really engaging and especially even though I don't know if I ever really was convinced that Dexter was 100% going to turn himself in, them working toward that was really beautiful in this doomed kind of way.

Yeah, and also too, before we answer the second part of Tara's question, I'll also say too in regards to Eric King, the way he emoted in his facial expression when Lila came and he thought he was being rescued like you could see the relief in his face and his eyes and he was like hey and you felt for him even though

we knew like you know Lila Lila's got nefarious you know motives and ulterior motives rather yeah and then when he came to the realization and when she said oh he's the Bay Harbor butcher and then she knew like

you know she's there for Dexter and like he knew he was screwed but when the realization came on his face and he was able to emote that again that speaks to the power level of his acting ability and the versatility that he carries as an actor.

Yes, I'm going to miss the interactions and the cat and mouse stuff between him and Dexter, but I'm going to miss that too. Like, I loved watching that man a moat on screen. He is so damn good. He's really good. Like, watching him, like, turn to that where he went from relief to I'm screwed

and you can see that visual narration in his face, it's really impressive to watch. It's mesmerizing, honestly. when there's like a dark humor to the fact that like it's so exasperate like you know his whole experience as soon as he gets to that island or whatever that is that little you know water locked area landmark whatever you say uh yeah like the whole thing was just like a symphony of womp womp circumstance just exasperating like worst case in it like he escapes and he finds these guys on a boat and then these guys in the boat are actually bad guys and they take him back to the house and he's exasperating like worst case in it like he escapes and he finds these guys on a boat are actually bad guys and they take him back to the house And just like, you know, and then Lila comes in. And it's like every... Dexter saved him. Then he got put back and then Lila came.

Yeah. And so there's just this like constant back and forth with this guy. And you really do believe his exhaustion by the end of just... Oh my God. I don't care. Like, I'm done with this, man. Like, get away from me. I don't want to deal with this.

That's a great point, John. Agreed. Yeah. So many great. So many, so many great beats and moments. And that whole thing of like, you know, it's got to end. Like, that whole thing he's shouting like, just kill me, man. Like, it's got to end somehow.

Like, it's wild. The second half of the question, though, after watching Dexter for a couple seasons now, do you think he is beginning to have actual feelings for people and or things? The scene in episode nine, when he wakes up outside Rita's house wanting to make sure they were safe and the apology he gave her saying that he felt regret and that he messed up so badly, so superpendously seemed genuine and not something that was faking to be normal. Yeah. Thank you.

I love these reactions and look forward to them every week. Thanks, Tara. We appreciate you. So much, Tara. Again, this has been such a long time coming and it has been so. thrilling to actually be on this journey and to be enjoying it as much as we are. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think, you know, the debate about Dexter, one of the debates about Dexter across the show has been, do we take him at his word, basically, that he doesn't have the emotions. You know, emptiness, hollowness is, I think, in itself, a kind of emotion. You know, even if you feel devoid of emotion, there's a certain something that's happening there. And, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think certainly all the events of this season has made the sort of peaks and valleys of whatever Dexter's emotional experience is a lot more jagged and prominent. And I think that, yeah, I venture to guess that he's always had feelings and emotions because, again, like, yes, he is logical.

Yes, there is emulation involved. Yes, he has studied human behavior and been encouraged to mimic it. but um but yeah like i think the whole thing with reida and the kids is is and he even acknowledges like they are a part of what helps to make him more human and they're you know clearly something that have ensnared him somehow and that he chooses by the end so i feel like and yeah like that whole thing where he wakes up in the yard and he's just you know kind of at the end of a rope but also you know here making sure that they're okay yeah definitely speaks to the fact that there's something genuine in there even if it's you know down a long dark corridor or something like that

uh yeah i feel like definitely the events of this season kind of show that he at least has the instinct and the natural inclination to fight for them and to recognize what they bring to his life and also how he affects their lives and so even if it's not from the most traditional emotional place i do think that there are i think the point is that yes there is some degree of feeling some variety of feeling happening and uh yeah it's interesting to watch it win or lose and and also the irony of the fact that yeah like as he's being called to accept himself and is feeling more sort of euphoria based on that you know like that has a whole effect on everything as well like you know there are positive instances of this but i think a lot of what the season was grappling with was

negative instances of this as well, his sort of adopting a more traditional serial killer style megalomania of sort of like, my mission is pure and I'm, you know, smarter than it, you know, in the earlier part of the show, I think it's nicely zoomed in on the fact that it feels intimate and it feels one at a time. It feels sort of like, this is my next victim. This is the next person I've discovered who is doing terrible things who needs to be removed from the streets. And that's kind of it. There's the box. There's the trophy aspect. But in the second, seasons it felt more like a totality more like look at all the you know like and and yeah i i feel like the emotionality was all over the place in in a intentional way because obviously characters like

lila are like wildly emotionally chaotic um and yeah and every character's different disposition serves to do something and yeah it's like angel even though you know dexter doesn't feel stuff he does look out for this guy and does seem to have like a genuine affinity for at least well intent towards him so yeah i think the the question of his emotions are interesting but i do think there's something there oh yeah no i mean we talked about it a little earlier and i do agree to your point that these characters do humanize him for sure whether it's rita it's astor or it's cody or it's deb his relationship with her or even angel's friendship with him or i would even venture to say with vince as well like they've got a fascinating uh you know a spar back and forth

friendship as well. I would even say too, even though he was dealing a great deal with a little bit of a world-shattering view on his foster father with Harry and he's going through an identity crisis this season, like the way that he raised him and his mentorship from Harry, like that also humanizes him a great deal as well. So, you know, in regards to him waking up in the yard, like I think that was a very triumphant moment for the character and what I mean by that. apologizing to her after he had done something that is very unforgivable for cheating on her and not asking for anything in return again it's it's a very unforgivable offense but i think the fact that he had accountability over the matter and he was not asking for anything back and he just

said hey i'm not asking for anything i just wanted you to know i care deeply about you and the children and i just wanted you to know you mean a lot and i'm so sorry that's all but i just wanted to say it i think that was like the character really growing yeah it was really maturing and growing uh for the character like and i think like an immature way uh uh and a needy thing would have been like but i want you back like everything lila does yeah but i you know what i mean so i i was like again that whole thing of i just needed to say it yeah he's like i don't know if i accept i don't know if i can do for sure she's like that's fine i just need to say it for sure but i think that was such a big moment for him and for us the audience accepting that

is what he, when he said, I just needed to say it. And I really appreciate it. Like, there was so much meaning and emotional way just in that, in that dialogue of him saying that and not wanting back anything in return. Because, and again, having that accountability of like, hey, I have to help. I made a really bad mistake.

Granted, and again, it's not just Lila, like they're both of them, but this woman really did, like, steer him down the wrong path and a great deal goes towards her. But, you know, Dexter is a grown adult, And he made the decision as well. Grant, this is a very, very attractive woman, rather, that led him down this path.

But I understand, like, the motivations and why he went down this path. That, again, does not justify it. He had the most amazing woman. And I love that Deb was also, I think, like, it really goes underspoken, John. How much of a great influence Deb is for Dexter. Like, she really put it into perspective for him, like, dude you had the greatest woman ever and you effed it like like try getting her back and then like

really trying to get rid of this woman lila like i i really really appreciate deb i really like and again i love that she's so emotional but also at the same point she's willing to stand up for people she cares for and like i really appreciate her so much and again jennifer carpenter she just does such a damn good job in this show she she's amazing so yes Absolutely. All right. Jay Rushden. What up, Jay?

How are you doing, Jay? Thank you for chiming in once again. Like, what Dexter character do you want to see in season three be used more often? Wow. Okay. Vince, I want to see his browser history. You know, I'll always take more Musuka and more Angel. Yeah.

I would be down to watch more Angel. Again, I have a feeling it's going to be La Gwerta. I just I feel like Like where we left off with the character With Dokes I just like From a writer's mind That feels like that's the character

You you position yourself to like Let's focus really heavily on Because she's gonna be the one Who is left devastated the most From Dokes And I feel like that's a character Who's just not gonna let go And we can really

And she's got the position of power back now too How does she use that position of power Right And she's also gonna I feel like John she's going to feel like a pariah in the office because she believes so much in dokes and she's like I feel like she's not going to let this go understandably so and she's in the right I feel like Liguarto's got to be I don't know what about you I mean I would agree

I mean I think that that's definitely likely um and I would be you know pleased to keep I you know her ups and downs are certainly what they are but uh I really like watching her but what character or do I want to see in season three be used more often oh do you want to see oh okay I was Superdea. Angel. I love Angel, man. Especially what happened to him after like, Dev,

he was not done dirty by the writers because it was like, I mean, but he was done dirty by Lila. So I would love to see him. I mean, he was done dirty by the writers. Well,

I mean, that the crap. For a reason. Yes, yes. For a dramatic purpose. But the point is maybe he can be done, maybe he can be done undirty this time

in this season. Like he can have. That would be nice. Yeah, he can like maybe find an actual love interest that doesn't want to do very nefarious things to him for a reason to get back at dexter like i would love to see something nice to happen he solves like a very big case he finds a love interest and i know the show's got other things to focus on but i've really grown attached to to angel so i would love it if they could focus a little more on

angel this season i want i want them to focus more on character actress margo martindale who the woman from the file department oh the one who he brings the donuts yeah oh yeah i was like an episode or two each of these seasons yeah yeah and she's just to remind you oh shit she's on the show it's crazy i was like who the hell are you talking about okay i know who you're talking about now she's like in two or three episodes right

yeah yeah yeah that's like a couple i think you're right that's the character to focus on agreed that would be she knows the history of harry and everything that you know what they might actually to your point they might go back to her just because I think we got to learn a little bit more about what did what really happen to Harry really happen is what's his name Matthew Matthews it might be Tom Matthews

Matthews is his yeah did that really happen like he said because like again that dude I kind of did what's her name LaGuarda a little bit dirty also in season one when he got rid of her as the lieutenant or whatever so yeah we'll see we'll see don't love that guy

all right son Penultimate question of the day. Now that you've finished, and thank you. Now that you finish season two, what hopes do you have for season three? What storylines or character beats you hope to see pursu? What are you hoping gets left behind,

if anything? Lila. Doaks being dead, I hope gets left behind. Yeah. And they just bring him back and don't acknowledge how. That's why I hope gets like, yeah. I mean, I think, as you pointed out a moment ago, I think, you know, definitely something to do with Liguerta. I think she will be

changed after this. I don't necessarily even expect that she won't still be kind of sweet on Dexter, but I gotta imagine there's something with her. I got to imagine Deb is going to be very much you know, Deb and sort of

more empowered from the events of season two than not, but certainly she's got to go on some kind of journey here and I, as much as I you know, ship her in Lundy hard, you know, it would be nice to see her I guess some good going that's just good and can not, you know, be marred by any circumstance in every, like immediately anyway.

I think that's going to be the first question she asked to whatever guy she ends up dating. Two things. One, are you a serial killer? Yeah. And number two, do you have any plans of moving away in the next 10 years? Yeah. Those are the basic two questions. What's your 10 year plan?

Yeah, I would say, I mean, we've already spoken at nauseam. at what storylines or character beats we think could possibly happen or what we'd like to see pursued. I'm going to go back to Vince again and I'm going to say, I'm not going to make a joke about it.

I'd actually like to see him and again, not particularly accuse Dexter of any, no, I'm being serious on this one. I'd actually not like to see him accused Dexter like at any point in season three. Start to get a little bit like wary of him or start, not wary rather, but start to get a little bit like he's starting to catch on to Decker because a lot of times like, and again, it's his co-worker, his friend, but like there's so many times where Dexter is feeding him such BS and he always buys it, right? Sure.

So I'd love that if he's like starting to like, starting to like understand like everything Dexter, like a lot of times what he's telling me like is not adding up. Yeah. And he's starting to catch on to that rather is what I'm trying to articulate. And again, he hasn't, like, fully, like, this guy's a serial killer. Like, I know it now. Like, no. You know a dog's 2.0.

Yeah, I don't need that. But just, like, why a lot of times is, like, what Dexter is, just again, just give me a little seed. And, like, maybe in four, in season five or six, like, Vince has put the pieces together now. You know what I mean? And, like, kind of maybe wants to talk to, or not talk to Dexter. But, yeah, but something, like, he knows something is amiss.

Something, like, never adds up. with what Dexter is telling him like why is this miss why is that there wait i thought this was supposed to be here today that's missing too you know what i'm saying like i think that would be a fascinating way to explore too possibly that he's somewhat on to him sure sure hey it would be it would be fascinating if that would happen with a sexual innuendo joke here and there of course yeah of course you got it yeah he's he will say you know you got boned when he uh fig you know when he tells dexter he figured him out yeah totally bone you yes or some innuendo like that uh i yeah i'm curious to see where rita goes because uh she's just been on this path of growth and rita yeah with dexter back in

good point back in good graces you know i'm curious to see what happens there uh curious to see what happens with like we're just generally hoping to see more angel in masuka because i love watching them um i don't know i like part of this feels like because we did such a personal season two, we could do a more outward looking season three. I would love that. Not to say that there wouldn't be anything for Dexter to be challenged by in that context, but like season one leading

into season two was very much like, oh damn, we are turning inward. And after doing that, I could imagine kind of responding to that by turning outward. So I guess the main thing I expect is another interesting guest star and perhaps more Dexter doing Dexter

stuff again. Because this is kind of like the sequel where like the hero hangs up the suit for a while or at least it's sort of like grappling with I gotta lay low I can't for various reasons Dexter doesn't do a whole lot of Dextering this season

so I'm imagining there would be more a bit more of that Agreed no he's gonna fill up that new trophy game No for sure is Glenn Frye would say The heat is on so I agree Absolutely but I would love to hear what y'all Well no you guys know so don't actually Yeah no don't we don't want to hear

Expectations please you know what to expect Yeah I know why you meant to say that, but no, please don't as much as we love you guys. All right, capping us off. Thank you so much. Emma, one of the MVP's of our Dexter Talks. I mean, a lot, like, pretty much all you are having been very consistent and we very much appreciate it. Emma has this to say, Dexter, season two finale.

I hope you guys enjoyed this season. I love it. We did. there are a lot of Dexter questions this time so I'll keep mine relatively short appreciate that how do you like season two compared to season one do you think they did anything

better or worse or do you think it was just a good continuation did you expect the dokes would have to be killed to keep Dexter's secret or did you think there was a chance of him being released if you thought he had to be killed are you surprised it wasn't Dexter that did it and finally any predictions on season three or anything you'd like to see more of

love your guys' reactions to the show and can't wait to see you. Emma, we love you. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. We can do these in a tandem. Yeah. Question one. How do you like season two compared to season one? I wasn't honestly like watching it. I was not comparing. I just thought it was a great season.

So I personally was not comparing it in any way. There were definitely points where there was totally different just because again to what you were saying was focusing a lot more on the on the inward although there was a lot of points of like really focusing on the inner conflict as well but then again you had that whole solving of of you know biny and then that whole twist so we didn't have that

that as much but I like that they were doing something a little bit different and more ambitious than this season I found that interesting so you know I like that it wasn't a copy and paste of season one so I wouldn't say I compared it to season when I just think they're both A's or A plus I mean they're both so damn good They're great seasons of television So hard for me to compare and say which one I liked better honestly

I would Yes it's a great continuation I'll leave it right there And just let John say did you compare Season 1 and season 2 while you were watching Or after we're done with season 2 no It crossed my it has crossed my mind to some degree I didn't spend much time while we were watching

Season 2 comparing it In a lot of ways I fall into the camp of yeah I think it's overall just a good continuation of the show it does it does feel in a good way like when you get a sequel to something and you're like what on earth are they going to do with this and then they do something bold and you're like oh wow that's what they do with it cool like well done no again not pulling many punches um I mean season one and two definitely feel different to me and season two feels a lot more fevering and a lot more wild in a way because, you know, the core of the show, your title character

is in such turmoil and is going through this sort of manic shift in his, you know, in so many of his faculties, in so many of his philosophies, in so many of his, you know, relationships such as they are. So it's weird. Like season one in a lot of ways feels pretty flawless to me in hindsight and the reveals were really sharp and I thought throughout the season there was this really consistent sort of poise and tone that for the most part yeah always it kept a consistency I guess that I appreciate and again it in hindsight is is pretty flawless to me not to say there are no flaws and I can think of maybe maybe one episode at the time where I was

sort of like thinking that there were again if I if I try to approximate this I'm going to be nitpicking to a degree and season two I thought was really smart again I really admired the boldness I really admired them running directly into the fire of the circumstances

there and I thought it was yeah really tense really fun really effective and really well done and really well you know, overall earned in what they chose to do and how they chose to do it and the different characters. It is more wild. I would, uh, I would assert. Um, and there are maybe a couple aspects of season two that are a little bit, um, God, there was one, there was maybe one detail here

or there where I was like, if this had been any different, I don't know if, you know, anything would have worked out um god i can't remember what that was though yeah like i was i'm out from season two yeah okay yeah yeah yeah well season two yeah just generally i think is is more wild and because yeah you go from sort of like the status quo into okay i got to really pull back in the first act and the second act you're like in big tumultuous territory and dexter has gone off the deep end to a degree and he is becoming this you know warped uh again megalomaniacal version of himself and it just like the feelings in season two are harsher I guess I would say in a sense I oh that was it I need to go back and observe the thing about like oh we found the slides in dokes

his car good thing he didn't take them to Haiti with him you know that was like a detail where I was like really he's going to fly back I think fly back again but that might make sense on a second viewing more so than in the moment but yeah it's like finding flaws here as of these first watches is not you know there aren't many things that come directly to mind i was to answer your question more succinctly yes i think this was overall just a good continuation and i yeah there's not really a better or worse to me about it there are some things that are slightly different season two is a bit more of a manic season and it's a bit more of a harsh season but it makes sense as to why and i think they earn the why of all of that and you know all the showdown aspects between him and dokes i thought

were really interesting and really well handled. So I might slightly prefer the pristine nature of season one. And having that central serial killer, the discovery of that was really exhilarating in a true crime. I don't love true crime content necessarily, because that's the stuff of life that actually gets to me and kind of makes me, you know, on edge. but um but you know the there is something engrossing about that even feeling that way and so season one in a very fictionalized setting has that sort of engrossing nature of like oh man the serial killer with this unique ammo whereas here you know you're dealing with the devil you know you're dealing with dexter and you know what his MO is and you know what he does and uh yeah this was different uh but i really loved almost everything they do like i am they are pretty much neck and neck

I would say overall, just a good continuation. I might prefer season one slightly for just taste reasons alone. Yeah. But I thought this was, again, as, again, you could keep these contained as just one unit even if you wanted to. They make sense as two separate seasons. But as the story of Dexter, if you were telling me that this is the saga of Dexter, I could believe that a version of this pretty much brings us to here. Yeah.

And we talked about it like when we did our season one, review i believe but i remember too thinking like at the time when they revealed that rudy uh who we knew him at the time was the wow they revealed the killer in season in episode eight that's so early and then we got the the ultimate twist of twists i'm like oh now i see why they did it so early it was like there were a lot of shocking things that again really pushed yeah that was like so i can totally get why season one like just by hair you would you would slightly give it a little bit of the edge i i totally get that And then also to your nitpicking point, like, I was, maybe if I watch it a second time, I might be on board with you, too, as well.

Like, I was a little, I don't know how the length of time it takes to get from Haiti back to Miami, because I believe that's where they are stationed, where the show takes place. Because I believe he said, I was tracking you, Morgan, like when you took the boat or when you went to the cabin, that's, or whatever, when you moved the boat. Like, I had the tracker on, like, okay, so you had this mission you were doing in Haiti. So right when he Oh, you had like how you So right when you Immediately that boat started tracking I'm off so

Okay Okay, so it's only a few hours Okay, okay, okay So it's it's plausible I don't know it's plausible And now in hindsight I'm like okay Okay, I get it It is plausible yeah

That's more plausible than it was before But and I guess like his mission was complete To see the the violin and all that Like to try right Did they say that That because he was there to What was he there to do To analyze the blood

right? Yeah, and I think they just acknowledge like, well, why would he need to do that if he was, you know, if this was him, why would he need to do that? Right. Why would he take his own trophies to be analyzed? Right, right. Yes, I remember that. LaGuarda and Lundy were talking about that would make no sense for someone who

would do that with their own trophies. Yeah, totally. And then to continue with your question, Emma, you said, did you expect that Dokes would have to be killed to keep Dexter's secret or did you think there was a chance of him being released. I mean, again, John mentioned it during the reaction and I was totally on board with them. I didn't

I really didn't think DOCS was going to be killed, but you know, to John's point of, we are past the point of so many points of no returns, rather. I just didn't know where we were going to go because there's just, there's just no way, like you would have had to

have gone in a different story direction in terms of like, you're just going to have to have dokes continue to chase after Dexter and not know the truth or at least have a pile of evidence that points in Dexter's direction because if he's got the evidence and he knows what Dexter is what do you do there?

You can't have dokes alive as much as we want them and I'm sure many of the audience who adores and loves dokes but having said all that I still didn't think he was actually going to be killed I just I didn't know and I didn't think they were going to do that so it was a bold choice I'll say that

yeah I think I thought that it constantly put me in that place where you're sort of like working hard to try and figure out any way that this could end in them both making it out of this room alive. Yeah. And it does seem that with, again,

the way events transpire, again, there were a couple moments in this season where I was like, is this a dream? No? That's what I thought. That whole headbutt scene was another instance where I was like, oh, no, I guess this is real. I guess this animosity has,

this cold war just got hot, you know, like they uh yeah it certainly seems like and especially with 2020 hindsight like yeah if it's out in the open and dokes is on to him for real then he would probably have to die um yeah because to keep dexter's secret i mean i just couldn't imagine a way that they would ever come to any kind of understanding that allows them both to coexist that's what i would have loved i mean it would have been like for a fan service yeah from a fan again like i just don't know like ideologically speaking as I mentioned earlier, I don't know if they ever would have come

to that understanding, but like you just point, yeah, like to your point though, God dang, I want to live in an alternate universe where they do come together and they work in tandem

or it's like, hey, I just don't want to know it, but just don't tell me. Like anything, any crimes, what we don't solve as a police unit,

you know what I mean? Yeah. Go take out the trash. Yeah. You kind of thing. You know what I mean? Oh, God, that would be so much fun.

But yeah, I get it. Like he's, Like you say, he's got the code of dokes. He's not going to allow him to operate. No matter how similar it might seem. Yeah. And I like their debates a lot.

I like that they took the time to do that. And to your other part of the question, you know, do you, are you surprised that Dexter didn't do it? Not especially, actually, because, like, you don't want him to. And I feel like if he does, that obviously goes in contrary. Like, you know, I think it was smart of them to keep harping on the idea that. like this guy doesn't pass the code you know he's not an eligible candidate to be taken out to the trash so like i think that is an example of something where if lila didn't show up

and do what she did i wonder what would have happened at that point because yeah i feel like dexter can't really kill him and end of where he does uh and be the dexter that we know so it's you know that was a conscientious thing and obviously like it's it's within the character of lila so i'm not griping about it it is one of those things where it's like if this had been any different i don't know where we would be right now and dokes would probably still be dead but but i was certainly big relieved that it was lila instead if it had to be anybody because you know that just makes things weirder and two then it's two people who see him from two very different perspectives clashing Well, if Lila hadn't killed them, then we, I mean, they already, they told us what would happen after he had that dinner and the steak dinner with, with Deb. He was just going to continue with the frame of Dokes.

So, Tokes would have spent his years in prison for a crime he did not commit. Yeah. Which probably would have made Dokes even, like, more obsessive to the point of, like, I'm going to get out of here and I'm going to nail Dexter at some point. I think that's also another interesting angle you could have taken. it also there's a possibility like animosity for like us the like

as much as we love Dexter and we don't want to see him in prison because again we do like him taking out like the it's fun to watch him take out the trash take out the evil people that he does take out but to see him like put a

but to see him put an innocent man in prison like that would be a tough pillow swallow not going to lie as much as we want him to have his freedom of course that would be a very tough pill to swallow, not going to lie. But it would have been a fascinating angle to take, not going to lie. And also,

dokes gets to live. So while also screaming every day that Texer is the Bay Harbor butcher. Well, he would know well enough that then he would have to, like, keep his head down. Right, right. You know, it would make some interesting. Be on good behavior. Yeah.

Like, he's too smart to, yeah, crazy. I just mean when he's screaming, I just mean, like, probably to like, like, like, work, uh, who's someone who's probably going to, like, confine in him. Yeah, like someone like that screaming with, I don't think he's going to yell it out in the prison every day. I didn't mean it like that, but that could have made for fascinating

drama though too, like going to these prison scenes back and forth and like, got to find some kind of way, maybe he he becomes the new Paul. I almost just said something I didn't want to say to you, but I'll save that for another time. But just like finding a way of possibly like when, if

he can get out and then going after Dexter, that could have been I wonder if the writers did consider possibly let's let's go with the frame job and get them in there. They must have. Yeah because we love Eric so much and we love this character you know so that I'm sure

that was a possibility for them so you know. Yeah I mean it's definitely one of those bold things that TV shows do to show you that they're serious sometimes too is like you take a character and you put them in impossible situation and you know and somebody dies and the stakes are real and you're like

oh shit this leaves a toll this took a toll yeah i think that's what they did here yeah yeah i'm gonna be mourning but i was also very exhilarated by the ride and i mean certainly makes you root for lila to meet her end oh a hundred percent yeah because at that point you we just really i mean what she did to angel we wanted her in prison i wouldn't say i wanted her dead like dead's a very tall order but once she did that to dokes and then to the children and decks i'm like all right she's got to go yeah yeah yeah and then any predictions first anybody yeah exactly any predictions for season three or any anybody or anything you would like to see more of

love your guys reaction can't wait to see more thank you again emma again i would love to see more of angel i really would i think he's such a fast he's really to me i mean i think yeah he really is fun he's the most lovable character he really is and he's like and his like this aura traction thing is funny yeah his aura and his tranquility i think it's fun that they they do that in this season especially I think like too it gives like because he's got this aura about him and this law of attractions like look

with this foreboding foreshadowing that ended up happening to him later on it's like Jesus to the guy who creates this positive energy around him and then this happens yeah it's like terrible like this guy needs some good stuff to happen now and also he got stabbed in season one by Biny yeah

he needs some good fortune John we need Angel to have a good season I'm shipping angel and Deb I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I love the both of them, but I don't see them. John's like, no. That was a joke. I'm literally, I'm not chipping Angel. That was a joke. But yeah, I'd love to see more of Angel. I would say. And again, I think that prediction I made, I'm probably going to be wrong about that. But just events just starting to slowly catch on to Dexter. And like, a lot of the things he's saying in regards to work, like, they're not adding up. What is going on? Like, I still love Dexter. He's my buddy, you know. But a lot of the stuff he's saying, like, are not, like, don't make sense.

So, be fun to, like, just show that, like, as good as he is at his job, he's good at also reading people. Like, I think that'd be an interesting thing to see. But any, any. It's nice to be surprised by a character. Yeah. Any final things you'd like to see before we finish off this review? Nothing fresh. I mean, in these last couple minutes.

I mean, yeah, you know, it would be nice. I love Angel I love Masuka I love the whole ensemble It would be nice to see them all I doubt we'd hear from Lundy or anything But I'm glad he made it out I hope that there's

I guess I predict that there's gonna be At least some kind of interesting guest star And probably a new serial killer Of some kind It seems like regardless Even if Dexter is the serial killer At large for season two Every serial killer every season will have

Serial killer at large I would imagine That makes total sense I kind of don't know what to expect or predict now based off of this because, yeah, there's so much of an internal story feels like it has been sort of resolved or at least drawn to a, a furthest possible extent. And so, yeah, I wonder if, again, after going so introspective for this season and, you know, again, turning the microscope on your lead character if we will, you know, somehow break away from that and go outward again because season one like you know felt outward and then became very personal and then season two is super personal and so now i wonder if we're going to take the heat off of dexter for a minute and introduce some new element yeah i'd agree with new facet probably new characters either for the main ensemble or again that's what i was literally about to ask you it's funny you mentioned that my final thing i want to say here do you think we're going to get some kind of a replacement for dokes on the squad because that's what i'm see that. Yeah. I can for sure

see some, I would imagine if they bring in somebody to replace Dokes on the part, on the force it would be someone of a different disposition. I would have to imagine it's not going to be like the same vibe as Dokes. Good luck. But I would imagine

yeah, some new interesting character is on the horizon for season three. Yeah. We'll have to see though. I'm just I can't wait. Like this show has been such a role. I want to see more. I want to see more I want to see more of the B-roll from the opening credits. We got a bunch of that, those extra shots.

Yeah. And we had that one episode where he was making the, yeah. They used all that additional footage. That was awesome. More of that beautiful intro breakfast footage. That was so cool. Well, gang, this review has been. Yeah, probably longer than the reactions.

Maybe, I don't know. Anyways, if you stuck with, if you stuck with us this song, we appreciate it. also to our Royal Rejects who sent us all these incredible thought-provoking questions. Seriously, we love you guys. It's because of you that we're able to do this. So thank you so much for sticking with us

and asking these incredible questions. We love you guys. We cannot wait to do Dexter Season 3. They will be on the way very soon. So be on the lookout for them. Oh, yeah, gang. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. This has been such a joy. And continues to be. And thank you for listening to Speak at Nauseum. We appreciate it.

And for the lesson, I appreciate that as well. That's why you're the banged in my flash. Hey. And, uh, yeah. A. Yeah. Pugh. All right.

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