The Reel Rejects - DEXTER SEASON 2 Episodes 5, 6, 7, & 8 REVIEW!!

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Starting point is 00:00:51 and yeah if you happen to be listening to these review portions on Apple or Spotify hit us up with a rating we would very much appreciate it. Andrew Shigay. John Nizio, Mabrizio. Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Oh, sorry, I'm just listening to some Chopin? Chopin. Chopin. Chopin. Maybe one day I'll say it right. Chopin, Andrew. Sorry, I was trying to listen to you, but it's in my ear right now, you know. I'm concentrating. We've got tranquility and peace right now.

Starting point is 00:01:26 God. We've got a fair few amount of questions today. Speaking of peace, it just brings me peace in my heart to see, you know, to see the lovely outpouring of enthusiasm. Yeah, I'm glad people are invested and enjoying the show

Starting point is 00:01:43 and our reaction to it makes me happy. Yeah, absolutely. Enjoying my incorrect pronunciations that are definitely not on purpose. No, you're good, man. John's like, I'll just let him keep going. Autonomy. It's an engagement.

Starting point is 00:01:59 Autonomy, anatomy. Ice cream truck killer. That's okay, Andrew. It's all good. Blood splatter. I get, I mean, blood does splatter. It does. It does.

Starting point is 00:02:09 It does. Yeah. And also, I mean, I used to saying ice cream truck, not ice truck. It's just my mind has said that my whole life.

Starting point is 00:02:16 Yeah, of course. We grew up in a time where ice cream trucks were more common than ice trucks. Just say. Ice Station Z. But I need to be better

Starting point is 00:02:24 about these things. I own myself. I own it. anyways what a bevy of episodes that was insane where this season is going I'm I'm obsessed with the show

Starting point is 00:02:38 it's so damn good yeah it really keeps you on edge though this has really lived up to the hype and I also for everybody who's ever you know like mentioned Dexter to me and then been taken aback

Starting point is 00:02:50 like what you have to see I thought you loved it like you know I get it and I do now I get that too yeah the hype is real. We got lots to talk about. We do. Typically, we like

Starting point is 00:03:02 to kick these things off with the Q&A from our, you know, supplied by our Royal Rejects over from Patreon, which often, you know, encompasses a lot of the major parts of these episodes and especially, you know, four episode chunk, I think it's actually nice to have a little bit of

Starting point is 00:03:17 prompting to get us on track. So I appreciate you guys for chiming in. Hunter Preston, kicking us off. I've been a big Dexter fan for a while now and found talks. series wait and found talk series and been super excited for you all to

Starting point is 00:03:33 continue watching the show thank you so much I am excited every time we sit down to shoot one of these no matter how I'm feeling that day this is always an island of joy my question is how are you feeling about Lila currently did you think they got

Starting point is 00:03:49 did a good job with her character or is she too extreme too fast well Hunter pardon my I'm supposed to understand that reference you didn't understand that reference you didn't understand that reference i said hunter pardon my pardon my tights tights isn't that line from lyla pardon my tits oh i'm sorry yes you're correct geez john it's time i'm still in a day is all right i'm not talking to lila i i do too many references i'm not talking to lila we're not speaking

Starting point is 00:04:24 i do too many references i'm sorry guys don't do enough references Yeah, I need to do more. Anyways, Hunter, the question you asked is, how are we feeling about Lila? Do you think they do a good job with her character? She's too extreme, too fast. I mean, no, we've been suspectful for it. I think the actress has been phenomenal

Starting point is 00:04:42 as is every actor, an actress on this show. And I, as they do with every character on the show, I think they've done a really good job, taking their time. And I think John has, like, well, no, no, no, no, I'm going to, give me a second here. I think, like, the way John has expressed throughout, because we've been suspectful of her, but, like, as we were reacting in real time,

Starting point is 00:05:06 you're like, I don't know about her. But I think that's a credit to the writing is they were really taking their time before the reveal finally came that she was unhinged. She's very controlling, and she can't be alone. And when she sets her target on someone, like, that is her whole world, and she can't live without it.

Starting point is 00:05:25 so no I wouldn't say that it's too extreme too fast I would not at all go that path I think it's they really took their time and did a good job and the reveal came at a perfect time actually so and I think again the actress doing such a good job because you know she's really made dexter feel especially after you know what happened to biny in the last season dexter really didn't feel like you know he could be himself or didn't feel alive anymore and he could could just be himself and be vulnerable. And she's emotionally manipulated him. And, yeah, to the point where he can open up and be, truly be himself with her.

Starting point is 00:06:06 So I think this is a fascinating angle to take it. And in a messed up way, I do like their relationship. Although I obviously wanted to end very fast now, especially with what has just transpired. But no, I think they've done a fantastic job building up her character. and seeing the reveal. And I thought it was interesting too what you said too because I kind of was thinking

Starting point is 00:06:30 the same thing before like the whole fire thing happened it was such a great bookend to what she said. I'm sorry, I will let you get to what you do you say. No, no, no, you're good. I think it was such a great bookend

Starting point is 00:06:39 because I like you kind of thought you just said it before me, but I was going to. When she was blow torching her whole place, I thought like are there actual bodies in there or something? Yeah, right. Decomposed bodies or something.

Starting point is 00:06:51 I thought that's what it was going to be too. But again, job by the writing team, subverting expectations. So, like, no, no, no. She kind of foreshadowed that earlier when she mentioned the whole thing about the boyfriend with the drugs and that she burnt the place, but she knew what she was doing. So, and then I'm like, oh, wait, this is giving me, like, things to think about in my mind. Like, I'm not saying that that didn't happen in terms of, like, you know, him providing,

Starting point is 00:07:16 like, drugs and all that. And, like, but her, like, setting the place of fire, that definitely did happen. And now it was a good foreshadowing and a bookend for, to this. moment so oh yeah but what about you yeah i mean uh i could see how you might take lyla the the the you know turn of events as we've seen them so far with lila as coming on to extreme or too fast as you've mentioned here i don't personally feel that way i mean i do think that season two is uh to a degree more i don't know like it's it's certainly ratcheted up because you know we have a whole different dynamic at play you know i think the first season had a nice balance between you know obviously

Starting point is 00:08:00 there's fun to be had on this show and there's pulp in this show and there are twists and crazy developments and stuff um and i but i think season one to some degree was was yeah like a bit more grounded than season two but i believe in the escalation that season two presents in in that it is for my again viewing experience continuing the momentum you know from season one and directly building on season one like i i again coming into this show knew that there would be some degree of ser uh of um uh there's some degree of anthology or episodic nature to the seasons as a whole you'll get like oh a major guest star each season or something like that and like oh maybe there's like a major killer or something each season uh and so yeah this one i feel like

Starting point is 00:08:48 it's a really interesting turn and i feel like again i we sort of touched on this on one of the previous review parts. But, you know, I feel like they're really good at not pulling punches. Like, they're really good at going like, what would be, you know, sort of the worst case scenario, you know, that they would have to figure themselves out of, whether it's Dexter or whoever else. So I really like the idea that this season has presented in that segue from Paul into, yeah, this ruse about the narcotics anonymous thing that's supposed to be like an easy fix for, you know, so many loose ends. and you know problems and and it's supposed to be an alibi of sorts and then through this it just

Starting point is 00:09:29 becomes so much more than it is it gives dokes at first a reason to let off of him and then a reason to double down on his suspicion when he finds out you know that yeah this is suspect and the fact that then yeah dexter would encounter somebody it's weird it makes very much sense to me in the way they've drawn the show that he would find somebody there who similarly has this sort of void mouth whole thing inside of them that, you know, is consuming, you know, and I feel like in one of the early scenes where they're, you know, making love here, uh, if I'm thinking of the right scene, isn't Dexter on top of her? There are these like shadows across his back that look like spiders. And like she does give me this. It's very, probably right. If I'm thinking of the right

Starting point is 00:10:15 scene and the right characters, but, but, you know, like there is a very spidery quality about her, a very sort of like black widowy kind of vibe to her. And I think, yeah, I mean, the actress has done a really nice job because, yeah, Lila, to me, I know that there's all sorts of, you know, ink and, you know, air spilled on the idea of who you become when you, you know, recover or, you know, if you choose to, you know, go down the healing road, you know, you change. And, you know, there are lots of ways to look at that and lots of for betters and for worse. but for the context of this show. I really like the dynamic that it draws. I mean, obviously it makes me upset sometimes

Starting point is 00:11:01 and it has these outcomes that I don't necessarily want to happen, but that are very fun to watch dramatically. And yeah, I think across these eight episodes, you know, I have bought the buildup of her as this, you know, very free spirit, but who does sell what her history is at least purported to be. And does, you know, convincingly fit the mold of like, this is someone who uniquely is equipped to understand me and who maybe I could be completely 100% honest with down the line. And the fact that they've also been able to draw her in such a way that you, I have been sitting here suspect, but flip flopping on that, like, you know, when you have the benefit of 2020 hindsight, you're like, okay, well, one of these major new characters has to be a bad guy or, you know, villain of sorts.

Starting point is 00:11:47 But even her, it's like, I like the way they've drawn her so that you can sit there and be like, I don't know if it's just me turning on my audience. You know, I'm trying to outsmart the show brain, you know, playing along with the mystery and trying to catch the whoever's myself. Or, yeah, if there's really something there. And I like the idea that, yeah, I can't tell exactly how far the rabbit hole goes with her. I can't tell exactly what shape her demon, dark passenger, monster thing is entirely. We know she's at least been responsible for one person's. death and likely multiple arsons and uh you know it's fascinating because yeah like as she has had her

Starting point is 00:12:26 influence on dexter it's doing a lot to him as a character not only in their scenes but you know it's causing him to grow in ways but also become a person that you kind of he's unlikable at times during these episodes and i think it's kind of fun that they've found a clever way to both create tension for him as our protagonist by unearthing exhuming all his coterie of dead bodies and making him the target of all the police's efforts but also having him go through this character change

Starting point is 00:12:55 that does make him feel like a villain of the season at times and I do appreciate the sort of battle for what exists perhaps of his soul throughout all this so yeah all that to say I think I'll wait to see where it lands

Starting point is 00:13:11 but I've really enjoyed the inclusion of Lila so far there's a totally different flavor of character and she feels like she exist sort of separate and outside of everybody else, even at the narcotics anonymous meetings. And, you know, it's like, the only thing I am still kind of peeved about is the voice mail. She did that on purpose. And I do want, and that's, that's why it didn't bother me. I was going to say, I would absolutely believe that she, like, legit knew or had some kind of means of spying on him to know, like, this is the perfect time to call, you know? To argue against you,

Starting point is 00:13:44 which you know I don't like to do. Yeah. To argue. you against that point, you can see how obsessed and controlling she is and that Dexter is her whole world and how obsessed she is. No, we're in agreement. I'm saying I can imagine her spying on him and calling to do that. Yeah, exactly. That's why. That's why, and then once the reveal happened, because I was kind of in the same boat as you, there's, she knew that they were in that apartment together and she knew that would break them up. So yeah, she did that entirely on purpose because she had a cell phone. She called him a million times before that on the cell phone. Yeah. That was playing. stand out and that shows how meticulous and strategic she is.

Starting point is 00:14:20 Totally. So that's why that I have zero issue with that. Yeah. I mean, I, if that's the case. Yeah, it is the case. I'm just going to assume it's the case. It is the case. And I don't like, I don't like that she did that.

Starting point is 00:14:32 Oh, of course not. Yeah, but it's. That was vindictive and, and sh- Super manipulative, yeah. And manipulative, yeah, for sure. But I get it. I get why she did it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:42 And I like the way. I wanted to break up with them. I wanted them to break up rather, but, yeah, sorry, continue. No, you're going. good. I like the way that she portrays the conniving nature of the character. Like, you know, there are times where you are very

Starting point is 00:14:54 charmed by her. There are times where you are sitting there going, this makes a lot of sense. There are times where you can see the effect she's having on him, and at times that effect is positive, and you're like, okay, maybe she is yeah, someone who's a little unorthodox, a little irreverent, but who really has walked, this walk, and can help.

Starting point is 00:15:11 Or maybe she's manipulating you and turning her, turning you into something of her own design, making you her own warped, twisted, you know, art experiment. And it's a very fascinating, because I don't know if she's going to turn out to be like a killer or something more so than she's already

Starting point is 00:15:27 confessed. I would imagine probably. I feel like there's more coming with her somehow. Yeah, but I do, yeah, between that and then all the stuff happening with Lundy and, you know, the force and jokes, you know, I feel like it's been a really interesting

Starting point is 00:15:43 you know, character to bring in that I wouldn't have guest or thought of necessarily. Yeah, so I think, and we'll get to the next question. I think the thing with her is, like, clearly we've seen like she's willing to do whatever it takes to keep Dexter in her orbit and have a sense of control. So from that perspective, in that sense, like, well, what are you, what else are you willing to do?

Starting point is 00:16:08 And the fact that she was actually willing to go inside of Rita's house, you know, what's the next step from there and then also when it comes to yeah that's a friggin horror movie yeah yeah yeah for sure and then my next question goes to if lundy does find out that dexter is the bay harbor like and he only he does find out or i mean again i don't know but like what else is she willing to do and what else is she willing to do for her man to protect him from going to prison I don't know. Oh, no, Andrew. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:16:44 No, I could totally see that happening. I'm worried about Lundy because I really do want to have to be happy. I love, I love... As much as I want my prediction of her and Dokes to come true, because I think they'd make a great couple. I do love her in Lundy. I'm with it. But, you know, I'm... You know, again, she's only gone as far as to do this, but she did also kill her ex-boyfriend.

Starting point is 00:17:08 You know, in a fire, you know... Well, and then you're sitting there. going like are you or do we actually do that in a drunken fit or did you know that that was she seems like the kind of person who would very much bend the truth and also perhaps convince herself of bent truths yeah um but yeah i think lila so far has been a good uh i think they've done a good job with the character and i could see why maybe i mean we're not supposed to like her i think and uh i i could see why you don't i could see why somebody wouldn't like her for the reasons other than the way the show wants you to,

Starting point is 00:17:43 but so far I buy it. Yeah, we have that one, right? Lindsay, there you go. I'm curious to hear what you guys think about it. Lindsay, Dave, dude, dude, duade. Is it like Swade? Is it Duade? We're going with Lindsay Duade for right now.

Starting point is 00:18:04 Dexter Crew. That's us. After seeing how Dexter handled the videotape at the Marina. how do you think he'd do in today's world with so much surveillance? That would be tough. Also, we hate Lila, right? Hope you're all enjoying one of the greatest shows out there. It is great.

Starting point is 00:18:19 Thank you for the question, Lindsay, for being a royal reject. You've been with us. I hate Lila for sure. You know what? I don't hate her. I don't like what she's doing, but I hate her now. I feel bad for her that she's in a state of mind where she feels like this is okay. She needs help.

Starting point is 00:18:36 That does not justify. I do not justify what she is doing. She needs help. She seems like the kind of person who would spit in the face of that help. I will answer this in the form of Vince. I certainly don't mind the scenes of her walking around with shirtless. But having settled that in regards to the question about how do we think Dexter would handle this in today's world with so much to Vance, I don't know. Could you? You'd have to like hack in. You'd have to do it with Ethan. You'd have to do it like Ethan. You'd have to do it like Ethan. hack in, right? He's repelling out of ceilings to do his murders.

Starting point is 00:19:13 Yeah, I don't know how he would be able to do it in today's, I feel like they would have like it on an app and be able to say, oh my God, Dexter's there right now. I don't know. He's fine my Dexter. Yeah, it'd be hard, right? In today's well, right? Yeah, I mean, there's way more cameras, way more places and way

Starting point is 00:19:29 more means. Like if the, yeah, if this was like 10 or 15 years ahead of itself or, you know, further down the line, then they'd have like a cyber security department or some shit like that. And also, two, I just said, like right now, again, I don't like the things that she is doing, but I don't hate her. I feel bad for her because I'm very empathetic, you know, human being. Having said that, having said that, if she does what I think she's going to do in the next coming

Starting point is 00:19:56 episodes, possibly towards Rita or the children, or towards Lundy, I might have a differing opinion of hatred towards her. I hate Lila in a fun way. Like, yeah, like I don't like how manipulative she is. I would chime in with you. here like I'm team reader for sure 100% I'm with you there and but yeah I like the fact that we with lila have been able to flip flop on that because there have been times around like you know what no I think minus again the the reader of it all and the kids of it all like part of you know in isolation part of me is like

Starting point is 00:20:26 you know what I can see how this is a worthwhile relationship but uh yeah the way it's proceeding like every time she and deb are sparring and deb gets a good one and I'm like you go deb you go deb yeah it's It's been fascinating to watch the contrast and how each one of Lila and Rita, how, and the kids, of course, how they've both made, both sets of groups, rather, have made Dexter feel alive in its own way. And it's been fun to watch the contrast and the interactions. So, albeit, Lila does in a more messed up manipulative way. But I like that Dexter has come to the discovery that he truly feels more alive, even though he's not being his true self with the. kids in with Rita, but I still like that discovery that he came to on his own.

Starting point is 00:21:11 Yeah, totally. And yeah, I mean, in the day and age of surveillance, I think this show is uniquely positioned in time to be in a really good spot with that, because, yeah, it's like the security cameras, like there's just enough tech at the moment of this show to make it a new

Starting point is 00:21:27 kind of way in which he's got to be cautious. But I guess I appreciate that we're not doing this right now, but I also have to imagine that if Dexter resurrection is in any way contemporary, they will. Um, I think just the more interesting and, and permeating technology gets, the more creative killers get. So I imagine there could still be a Dexter now. It would just, yes, be much more difficult. You know who does hate Lila? Deb. Oh, sure. Deb hates Lila. And if God forbid, if she does something to Lundy, I don't know what Deb is going to do. Oh, no. She's going to go on the war path. Yeah. She's going to kill her herself. Yeah. Reject Nation. I have officially lost.

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Starting point is 00:24:10 Alyssa S, thank you for chiming in. There we go. John and Andrew for Dexter. Wow. So much has come together this last episode leading into the end of the season. Who are you most worried about at this point? Who are we worried about? Oh, God. Knowing more about Dexter's early years, has your opinion changed about Harry's choices on how to raise him? Great question. Let's answer

Starting point is 00:24:32 of the first part. Who are we worried about? I mean, I think the easy answer is Lundy. Worried for Lundy for sure. I'm, I'm worried about, I don't think, Deb's heart as well. Yeah, Deb's heart, of course, psychologically. And again, psychologically, I'm really worried about the traumatic effects this is going to have on Rita. Like if she either kidnaps the kids or she kidnaps Rita and is holding her hospital, something, like something is going to happen. And again, what are the, again, traumatic psychological effects going to be leading into this? because you're going to have, like, messed up repressed feelings now after that leading into the next seasons. Like, this is not something like, let's just forget about it.

Starting point is 00:25:11 It's all good. Like, let's live a happily ever after a lifetime. So, yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, not even in real life, too, but especially this show. So I would say those three characters I'm most worried about. Wow. Yeah. I'm trying to think of who.

Starting point is 00:25:24 I mean, I'm worried in so many different ways. I'm worried about Vince not getting any play this season, too. That's the biggest problem. worried about his browser history. Yeah. It's crazy. All that stuff he's been looking at in the precinct computers. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:40 But I'll answer the second part after you. Yeah. I'm worried about a lot of stuff. I'm worried for Rita after what just happened with Lila, you know, basically being like, stay the hell away for me and Rita and all of it. I'm very worried for them. I'm worried for Lundy for different reasons, but similar reasons. I'm worried about doaks because, I mean, you know, that's another part of the plot

Starting point is 00:26:01 that I didn't see coming. to this kind of head so quickly but again I feel like they are very much not pulling punches because again too at the point in time at which they were releasing this they probably weren't I don't know if they would have been picked up for like I don't know you don't always know

Starting point is 00:26:16 until midseason if you're going to come back next season or not they don't always do like three season buys until you know it was a different time in TV but yeah I'm worried about him I am worried um I'm always worried for Angel just because I love him so much and it's a dangerous world out there

Starting point is 00:26:32 I do love what's best for him. Yeah, I'm worried, too. I'm always worried about Angel. You never know. I mean, he didn't get stabbed in the last season. Thankfully, he was okay. But, yeah. I know.

Starting point is 00:26:41 I mean, also, too, the fact that he really likes Lila, you know what I mean? So he could trust her and get close to her. You never know. It's great. It's a very interesting debate, and it's a very interesting. I think it does a lot of interesting stuff that's well worth unpacking. Yeah, the fact that, like, again, we're so on edge because the show really throws a lot of curveballs at you.

Starting point is 00:27:01 and you really don't like I did not and we're going to get this is like literally I'm leading us into the the second part of the questionnaire I did not see the the mom being a dexter's mother being an informant for Harry Harry having an affair with her like wow that is quite a twist I never saw coming like I truly believed as you and I'm sure most of the audience if you really saw that come and like damn you're good but I really believe like hey that he Harry was just the first officer on the scene of a horrific crime he saw that that this kid, you know, could be helped, helped him. Obviously, he saw that Brian Urbiney, like, was too far gone, and there was no helping that kid.

Starting point is 00:27:39 But, and, you know, but. What a call, though, too. Yeah. Especially if it was like, that's, with what we learned, you know, that's an even crazier call in context. Because, again, he's got an attachment to them. It's not just two random kids theoretically. I'm curious if, if it's just an affair or if there's going to be a twist later on saying, he's actually Dexter's by it's probably he's probably not I'm just throwing out another curveball maybe but like no he's Dexter he's actual biological father and they've been having an affair for years I wouldn't throw it past the show to do I'm not saying it's going to it's probably not actually but I'm just saying I wouldn't throw it past them to throw another curveball but not necessary but it would have had to have been together for a long time yeah yeah yeah I mean they would have because Dexter was what probably like four or five yeah I mean it has to be a few years so no more

Starting point is 00:28:31 But has your opinion changed about Harry's choice on how to raise him? No, I still think, like, again, because he had that, I mean, obviously, you know, he was trying to come up with a big drug bus. He put his mom and the kids in a very precarious situation. He didn't do it on purpose, but he was trying to come up with a drug bus. So, like, I understand the situation. It doesn't mean I agree with it, but I understand it. And I think he tried to, you know, at the end of the day, he at least had accountability over it. And he took care of Dexter in the best way he thought possible and trying to help him resist the temptation of urge of this traumatic, you know, thing that happened to him as a kid.

Starting point is 00:29:13 So I still agree with the way Harry decided to raise this guy that he knew would not have the sense of urge to hold back with doing these things. So I still agree with how Harry raised him personally. Yeah, you know, I think the intended effect of the drama is. is taking for me because I think the last cluster of episodes we answered a question about how do you feel about Harry's inclusion and does it feel spare and it had up until this cluster of episodes

Starting point is 00:29:39 and you know the theme I guess with that stuff became a little bit more clear that yeah this is the season about more deeply questioning the code of Harry and Harry as a person because yeah through so much of the first season just thinking about Harry seeing the flashbacks

Starting point is 00:29:55 gives you a sense of calm and it gives you sense of control and his teachings obviously were very astute and very pertinent but yeah definitely I think it makes the character more interesting

Starting point is 00:30:09 it makes the circumstances more interesting nothing that's developed yet for me has been too outlandish and it sells this idea that I think a lot of it's just an experience everybody must come to

Starting point is 00:30:22 at some point in some way shape or form obviously not to this degree necessarily that confrontation of the fact that like oh the world my parents set up for me or or you know the way they taught me or what they taught me you know i didn't know everything about who they were and what their motivations were for doing this and you know i have all these questions now that i can't get answered maybe um in this case certainly so yeah like i think the the grappling with you know

Starting point is 00:30:50 was i just harry's tool or something was yeah he just feeling guilty and so he took me in and then saw what i was becoming and was just trying to cover his own ass by not making me a a killer but also not making me giving me the tools to like expose all the yeah i think it's at least a very interesting i mean i i'm curious to see the further developments of this because obviously we're leaving off right now it's so we're the most recent taste in our mouth is not a good look on harry uh and it you know is uh i think interesting drama for sure hundred percent all righty emma emma dexter this season had me so stress when I was first watching it, I agree

Starting point is 00:31:30 wholeheartedly. Do you think Dexter has been getting sloppy with everything going on, or do you think that it proves how good of an investigator Lundy is that they're getting close to figuring Dexter out? Let's start there. I think it's a little bit both. Combo of both for sure. Because he's feeling himself because of what

Starting point is 00:31:46 Lila is putting in his ear partially. And there are aspects of that that are good, but they're also, yeah, he has become in this season and in these episodes, what feels like much more akin to your traditional serial killer who's like, yeah, he has more of this bravado and he feels more,

Starting point is 00:32:04 I don't know, not arrogance, not the right word, but that's sort of like, he's like above people or something like that. There's like a quality to his character that comes out when he's feeling himself that is a bit more brash and is a bit more, yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:19 Yeah, no, I agree with everything you're saying. I would say too, he's really going, because his kind of worldview on Harry and everything that he's been taught and raised on from the Code of Harry and all that too and just the man he believed in has been kind of shattered

Starting point is 00:32:33 throughout the season and he's going through an identity crisis so just from that perspective too he's become very much sloppy throughout and also too not only that he's dealing with one of the best FBI agents like ever so when you like the combo of those two things

Starting point is 00:32:52 just like don't mix for a great thing for Dexter in that sure so you know it's but it's fascinating to watch at the same time like you got two people who are really freaking good at what they do but one is like kind of slacking in their department so it's fascinating to watch and i really again it's so much fun and fascinating to watch lundie like when they first like brought him like it's gonna be this tough guy who's all about the book and like hard at hard edge guy i'm like and i'm assuming that's what the writers like thought when they like presented him on screen and that's like how i i don't know i

Starting point is 00:33:25 I mean, I don't know, but that's how I took him to be when I just got my glimpse of him. I think that's what they want, though. I think they want you to be delighted in the revealing. But the more we've gotten to know him and the mentorship role he's had and the profound effect he's had on Deb. And, like, again, using your pain to be your strength and just all the advice he's giving her and the motivation he's given her. And then the actual relationship, like, because I didn't, I know you called it, great call by you has for the 15th time.

Starting point is 00:33:54 But either way. like I actually really do buy that because with him she truly like she is in a very vulnerable position and the trauma that she has dealt with from the last season she just never really feels like she can be herself or is in a safe space and when she's with him she feels that way she feels alive and we do and we do too yeah and so like but like again you can write words on a you can write great words and write a great character but Keith Carradine is like bringing that character to life. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:26 So I appreciate that. 100%. Yeah. I love that character so much. He's great, which is going to... I hope he survives because he's going to break my freaking heart. Yeah, I hope he gets to ride off into the sunset. Yeah, even that, even if he decides to leave, I'd still be heartbroken.

Starting point is 00:34:41 I'm like, oh, I love this character, but definitely don't want him to die. Yeah, so far, I think they've done a nice job of having it be a bit of both. And I really like the revealing of Lundy. I really like his sort of, like, not as quirky, but he almost gives me, like, an Agent Dale Cooper kind of vibe. And yeah, like Dexter getting headstrong, I think does cause him to act more boldly and to create more loose ends, honestly. Like he goes after the guy from his childhood.

Starting point is 00:35:05 He leaves him to create this next opportunity, stuff like that. Next part of your question, though. Yeah. What do you think about Lila? We've talked a lot about this and how she's affected Dexter's relationship specifically with Rita. Do you think they'll be able to mend it and get back together? I mean, yeah, Emma, we kind of talked about that throughout just she's emotionally

Starting point is 00:35:24 manipulated him, just manipulating him in general. And also, too, like, that... She's trying to put control over his life. Yeah, for sure. And also, too, like, that voicemail, like, that was the nail in the coffin. In terms of, like, I'm going to break up this relationship, and this is where I mark my territory on, you know, being Dexter's girl. But also, too, like, the point of no return for Dexter with this woman was when she broke into Rita's place and stole his key. So, But are they going to be able to amend it and get back together? I mean, you'd like to, I mean, like, I hope so.

Starting point is 00:36:01 I would love that to happen because I love them being together. I think the children adore Dexter so much. And again, like, granted, he stretches the truth out with them and he can't be his full true on self. The fact that he feels so alive when he, and he feels human, which is like what, you know. He makes way better choices and is way more human. Yeah. with her. He definitely, like, you know, her, as much as I appreciate, as much as I appreciate Lila's free spirit, like, he's just better off right now, at least. He's better off with Rita. So I hope they get back together. I would love that. You know, and again, like the kids, especially after what happened to Paul, they need a fatherly figure in their life. And Dexter, you know, granted, he does morally gray things in his private time. You know, he'll be it again. He takes out the scum of the universe.

Starting point is 00:36:52 he's a good fatherly figure for the kids he actually genuinely cares and loves them I hope they're able to patch it up or whatever him and Rita I don't know which is kind of neat and part of me I just really appreciate that

Starting point is 00:37:07 for all of the developments they still check in with Rita and Rita is still very much you know an ingrained part of the ensemble the kids all that stuff there are multiple scenes where we check in with her and we don't even need to have Dexter involved and so I do appreciate that

Starting point is 00:37:21 And that makes me curious to see where things go post-Lyla, even if it is some kind of like co-parenting thingy or whatever. Finally, to your question, dokes has found Dexter's blood slides? How do you think Dexter's going to deal with this? Do you think Dokes will go straight to the police or do you think he'll try to figure this on his own? Oh, he's not going to the police. I think he's going to figure out on his own. Yeah, he is not going to the police. Like once Dexter headbutted him and he got suspended, that's out the door.

Starting point is 00:37:48 Surprise, motherfucker. We got to play outside the system now. Yeah, he is definitely going to. outside he's going to open up a butcher shop he's going to sell the blood to the first person who buy it um i mean i don't know how dokes is going to actually solve the thing or what's going to happen but he's not that's dna right there yeah yeah no it is no it is but he is not going to the police i mean that's that's obvious i would say so but then again the second we say that i'm like maybe yeah he walks in and just like scan these true because we didn't see

Starting point is 00:38:16 dex i mean we thought it was a fantasy when dexter headbutted him and didn't see that coming I mean, because, yeah, now, and again, that headstrong Dexter, you know, he's, that's a situation that that's a point of no return. I'll say, yeah, I'll say that because didn't they offer him some kind of a job? They said 200 grand a year. Yeah, the private security. Okay, so I'll say this. He's going to amount a lot of evidence grand with the blood and he's just going to continuously gather enough evidence to the point where he feels he's got Dexter dead to rights and then go from there. That's other than that. But he's not right away going to go. to the police. I got all this blood. It's Dexter. It's like, no, he's going to need more than that. Yeah, for

Starting point is 00:38:56 sure. And I mean, you know, he has clearly obtained it illegally, so he can't just, yeah, take it into the precinct, especially because one of those cases that Lundy brought him you know, from the past was dismissed on, you know, wrongfully obtained evidence or inadmissible evidence

Starting point is 00:39:12 or whatever. Punk rock Pollyanna. By the way, I think, oh, punk rock Pollyanna. I could be wrong if I am. I apologize. I think you are the one that I message to on YouTube and said for me to stop doing them with the pen to click it. So I apologize about that. Oh, no. I'm actually going to buy, I'm going to buy some pens that are not clickable. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, you know, we all need like a fidget. Maybe they make it like a silent clicker pen. Get a silencer pen. So anyway, punk rock Pollyanna. Thank you for helping out Andrew with the click in. And also, thanks for chiming in here. She says, Dexter. I won't ever have questions for you because I am watching along with you for the first time. How cool. Thank you so much for choosing this experience as your first time watch. Again, I hope your enthusiasm is on par with our own. I just wanted to thank you for reacting to the series, as I would have never watched it otherwise, even though I heard how good it was. I'm a horror and gore-wuss. So this was in my not on my own list. Thanks for parisocially holding my hand through it. Of course. That's That's so cool. That's what this stuff is for.

Starting point is 00:40:22 Like, that makes me really happy. Anna, as anyone will tell you on the team here, I am also a horror gorwis. Okay. Yeah, come on, you can... We've got to get you watching those human centipede movies. No! I'm not watching Saw. I'm not watching Human Centipede. Saw is fun.

Starting point is 00:40:37 No. I watched five minutes of Saw 2 and I was out that room. Ah, wait until you get to Saw 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10. No, but Anna, we are so happy. that you are on this journey with us and seriously thank you we really appreciate that's really sweet thank like honestly we love questions obviously but but thanks for us taking a moment for the gratitude because yeah and this has been such a joy after so long of hearing about it uh and j rushton final what up jay final one of the day one of our comment and last one of the day from jay

Starting point is 00:41:15 hey look at that like what song or lyric should be in the background of dexter mine is we have to do this everybody wants to rule the world oh i love that song what do you want yeah so everybody wants to rule the i've been trying to learn the like guitar solo bits oh for that song yeah oh i want to hear some great it's some great that that song so fun of that song the first time i ever heard that song was in the movie Real Genius, which is one of my favorite comedies ever. In 1985, directed by Martha Coolidge, and Val Kilmer is so underrated. That movie is Chris Knight. He is so freaking funny.

Starting point is 00:41:54 By the way, two of my favorite Batman's and Ben Afflex as well are freaking comedic geniuses, Michael Keaton and Night Shift and Val Kilmer in Real Genius. Let's see. What's a good song that we could be for text? Everybody wants to rule the world. That's an interesting story. Put it in his manifesto. imagine.

Starting point is 00:42:14 Yes. So, like, what, yeah, what's a song lyric that should go into his manifesto? Oh, God. I'd have to. You're better at this on the spot. I'd, because I'd have to, I'm sure if I thought, like, really took the time to think about it, I'd come up with a really good one. Everybody's heard about the bird.

Starting point is 00:42:34 Hey. Or how about killing in the name of. Yes. A tenacious D song. There you go. There you go. Any tenacious D song. work.

Starting point is 00:42:45 Right? Yeah. Yeah. Wonder boy. Yeah. Or, you thought I was going to go crass with that. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:51 What about the song from, what's it called? From, was it Minecraft that we watched? Chicken Lava. I forgot what it's called. I don't know. I don't know. It should be wake me up. Wake me up in some.

Starting point is 00:43:06 Can't wake up. Something, something, save me. That actually, you know, I can, is that aviom? Evanescence. I can't pronounce anything correctly. God dang it. This is going to be a good one for me. That's going to literally be on my tombstone mispronounced everything

Starting point is 00:43:24 his whole damn life. Yeah, I could actually, I think that's the winner. Bring me to life. Okay. There's so many lyrics. Yeah. I could see that one. What's the other one?

Starting point is 00:43:35 What's the other song that they sang in Daredevil? Is it immortal? The one where she's at the grave for her father? Oh, goodness. it's like a really sad song you would know better than me oh it's so it's such a good song i forgot that song uh it's good i could see that one too yeah anyways let's see no i was gonna say there's a there's a you guys let us know what that song is i was trying to think of there's a song by queens of the story which called mosquito song and there's that

Starting point is 00:44:02 mosquito in the opening credits so it was like oh you know we all will feed the worms and trees so don't be shy yeah yes that would be good once you're lost dude this is this is such a joy i'm excited and scared for the next four episodes which we'll see very soon so yeah well gang this has been another lovely chunk of dexter episodes cannot wait to finish out season two and then see what lies beyond leave us your thoughts on any of the stuff we touched on here leave us what song lyrics would go in your dexter manifesto and we'll catch you for episodes nine through 12 be well and stay out of trouble. Surprise, motherfucker.

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