The Reel Rejects - DEXTER SEASON 4 Episode 9, 10, 11 & 12 REVIEW!!

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Starting point is 00:01:32 More on them very soon. And we're going to get right into this, season four, episode nine. Let's get into it, John Old Koi. When did you get here? I am half of a geek check, you know, just saying. We share somewhat of the same brain, although don't tell Koi that. That's an insult. Okay.

Starting point is 00:01:52 I won't tell me He's the smarter one Definitely of the two I'm the reference one Of us too So anyways Season 4 Episode 9 commencing in

Starting point is 00:02:02 Three Two And a one Where do we go from here All right Well that was season four Yeah If you are in YouTube

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Starting point is 00:02:36 we drop videos such as these. Special thanks to the fine folks over at Piper for editing down these highlights. So you were able to view it on YouTube. I'm sure it is a task, especially these Dexter videos with all the gore that is in them. So we appreciate them working so hard to get them viewable here on the YouTube.

Starting point is 00:02:52 and if you are listening to us on Apple or Spotify, if you don't mind dropping us a five-star rating, we would really appreciate it. Yes, we would. John, I know we got to do this first. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're just going to keep ourselves a little bit on track. There's a lot of stacked shoots and stuff today.

Starting point is 00:03:10 Yeah, I get out of control when it comes to talking, so it's a good idea to hold me accountable. We're both prone, both have a lot of thoughts. But we can be, I think we can be thorough but efficient today. I'm assuming we have a lot of questions, but just within one minute or so, how are you feeling? Oh, this is a bit of shell-shocked, obviously, taking aback, heartbroken, but this is a fantastic season of TV. This was a really fascinating story from top to bottom, excellent guest stars, because, you know, John Lithgow, obviously. is, you know, going to be the one

Starting point is 00:03:52 that everybody spotlights the most, but the gal who played Christine also great and a lot of other great performers along the way as well. A lot of great plot lines, a lot of great emotional developments. This was tremendous. I agree with you. It was definitely the best season and also the most tragic and heartbreaking, and there's

Starting point is 00:04:10 been tragic and heartbreaking season so far. Again, I had a feeling this, an inclination this could happen, but I didn't want to say it. I didn't want to possibly make it come true i thought if i didn't say it it might not happen but i don't i don't know where we go from here because dexter has been in a play i mean i'm going to save my my thoughts for the questions but again uh emotional engaging action packed uh well i wouldn't say action packed but just like the moments where we did get action and and dexter dark passenger moments were

Starting point is 00:04:46 incredible immersive and really there was so much suspense too this is probably one of the heaviest when it comes to suspense, you know, especially the tension between Dexter and Arthur was incredible and their dialogue was so fascinating to watch, especially when you see the trauma that has brought them to this point in terms of where they are in the present. And then, but also they've had different nurturing in terms of their parents and their mentorship. So it's just really fascinating. But we have a lot of questions. So we're going to get right into it and that i mean these are probably going to address anything else yeah exactly exactly i feel this this is this season where like the questions are going to probably be pretty pointed that's why i'm

Starting point is 00:05:27 kind of sharing my thoughts right now i'm sure exactly thank you uh anyways vampire toad this is a big season and a big finale here here what are your feelings about the way this season arc wrapped up how do you think dexter is going to be affected by the events of the finale with all this in mind how do you see season five, probably my favorite season, unfolding, what are your expectations, your worries, or your hopes, keep up the great reactions, I really

Starting point is 00:05:57 enjoy your friendship and commentary. I can't wait for some great season five conversations. I love you, friend. Love you too, brother. Love you too, brother. T, you want to go first at this? Sure, I mean, absolutely. Quite a few questions in here to unpack, but I'm excited for season

Starting point is 00:06:14 five, and yeah, we'll do our best to i feel like we can be both eloquent but concise today uh but yeah i feel like i've heard a few people say season five is their personal favorite uh whilst acknowledging you know like everybody everybody agrees on one through four and then i feel like from here on we're out of the realm of you know unanim unanimity so i'm really excited to check out season five and two with this like direct fulcrum of a cliffhanger i only can imagine that this is going to do a huge number on Dexter's growth as a person, especially due to all of the realizations he's having at the end of this, him be like, no, no, no, I'm good for Deb. I'm good for my family. They love me.

Starting point is 00:06:57 They want me in their lives. And do they want what I bring to them? And I can be a force for good in their world and also a protector of sorts. And so I, I am faithful that he's not going to go all the way off the deep end because of his, his specific kid Harrison. Cody and Astor, I don't even know what becomes of them but there's still his kids yeah i feel like season five is going to be a heavy and a dark season for dexter personally and uh in terms of the way this wrapped up i mean heart wrenching certainly and i mean it's less of a you know it's a less of a bummer that the fbi is going to basically get the credit for this knowing that you know once uh it's off of Miami metro's hands you know dexter taking out trinity isn't as big of a problem for the people

Starting point is 00:07:44 we care the most about but yeah man the whole Rita thing I it was such a taught compelling cat and mouse game and it was so kind of you know you had that kind of catharsis breathe out it's done

Starting point is 00:08:00 and then yeah that ending just friggin' wallop yeah and also too obviously we make the comparisons and the parallels between Harrison which just happened with the trauma and being born in blood which you know with the title of the episode to Dexter but I would also point out that Aster and Cody are now also in the position of Dexter

Starting point is 00:08:21 where their mom was just slaughtered as well and now Dexter has to become their hairy so I would also point that out as well I would also say that we are going to now have a season where Dexter is going to feel guilt that this is all his fault when he could have allowed this man to jump off the building when he had a chance to take this man out but he threw his phone and got arrested when he took the call from Deb and went to see her. There were several chances to take this man out and Rita would still be alive right now. So Dexter is going to go through an internal crisis of his own of guilt of I could have had him several times. I could have let him jump to his fate.

Starting point is 00:09:02 But I didn't because I had to get the kill. And so, yeah, I think it creates a moral dilemma for Dexter. but it also creates incredible drama as well for us, the viewer and the audience and, you know, Dexter's going to really have to step up his game as a father because now he's a single parent and I myself, and granted, my mother was not slaughtered like this but I know a thing or two about a parent having to be

Starting point is 00:09:30 the mom and the dad at the same point because my dad was incredible when it came to that. He had four children by himself and it's not an easy job. So I feel for Dexter and also my dad was not a video. Vigilante at the same time. So I can only imagine the double duties of having to do mom and dad plus everything else they was doing.

Starting point is 00:09:49 So we thought Dexter was tired in the first episode, you know, having a guilty conscience, a 24-7 plus being a vigilante. I can imagine he's probably going to retire from vigilante duties, feeling the guilt. And I know I'm probably going on and on right now because I've got so many damn thoughts and we got so many damn questions. Actually, this is not as formidable of a block as some of these. Yes. Either way. Season two, I think, had like a bunch of questions. Either way, if I was a writer, if I was a writer and I was writing season five, there's a whole myriad of ways we could go with season five. In my mind, with at least Dexter's character and also with the kids. And two, the question becomes like, what is the Trinity bleed over going to be? Because it certainly seems as though this was a Trinity, the first, you know, the bathtub kill.

Starting point is 00:10:39 so unless something awful happened that is outside of that that I can't see coming yeah I'm like this is gonna how is Dexter getting tied up in the Trinity the drags of the Trinity case gonna factor in Dexter's gonna marry Arthur Mitchell's wife

Starting point is 00:10:56 and take and adopt his children and they're gonna be one half of it now seriously he's gonna have five kids this is so tragic I'm like I really am gonna hate not seeing Rita anymore like this is so freaking awful and sad and again like i'm going to understand the perplexing thought of that's going to be going through dexter's mind of why didn't i just allow my ego to let this man jump to his fate uh so that's going to be fascinating to watch as we get into season five so like

Starting point is 00:11:30 i'm excited for season five from a dramatical and character growth perspective but i'm also it's a daunting thing to have to go through because we're going to if we thought we've seen dexter at his lowest point i don't think we have this is a different kind of lowest point and i really feel for him so and the family of course so uh yeah thank you vampire toad hope we were able to answer uh your question or questions uh appreciate you being a royal reject absolutely you got the thing uh lindsay du dee dee duid Lindsay dude Here we go John and Andrew

Starting point is 00:12:11 This the time is here You finished what may he consider A top tier season finale Where we go from here Who will Dexter become without Rita And what will happen to the kids Was it ever possible for Dexter to have it all A real life and his hobby

Starting point is 00:12:28 Or was this always a doomed reality Well Lindsay really really appreciate the question I think I answered three-quarters of the question just a moment ago. But I will say, was it ever possible for Dexter to have it all a real life in his hobby? I mean, I think he was going to retire the, after this finale, I really in my heart of hearts believe that he was going to retire that hobby possibly and just really focus on his life with Rita and the kids. That's where it seemed the indication to me, at least my interpretation was. so I think it was possible not to do both because it seemed like it was too much of a juggling act to do both

Starting point is 00:13:08 as much as I appreciated that he was taking out the trash and being that vigilantic and it was seriously a very dutiful thing that he was doing and like and it was very noble and but it was also it was a lot to have to to be able to juggle family life and be this vigilante that takes out the the human garbage it's it's a lot first for any human to I mean just being a family man is a lot So to have to be able to do both, I think, would be a bit much. And that's why I think had all this gone over smoothly in the final episode here, and Rita did not meet her doom from this horrific monster known as Arthur Mitchell, I really feel like Dexter could have had it all while retiring the dark passenger.

Starting point is 00:13:51 And he had accepted that. He told Harry and his subconscious here when he was dressed up as the cop there at the crime scene, or rather at Arthur Mitchell's home, that he was ready to have this life with Deb. Oh, TEP. Excuse me that is his wife in real life at the time But I mean with Rita, excuse me I know you've been shipping them That was only the one time

Starting point is 00:14:08 Just because these questions are quite similar I'm gonna pull in Riannan as well Thank you for chiming in And hi guys, first time question actor Asker long time Dexter lover Thank you for chiming in as well Riannan asked With the season 4 finale in mind

Starting point is 00:14:25 I'd love to hear your thoughts How do you feel about Rita's role And character arc throughout the series Do you think her ending was inevitable or could things have gone differently if Dexter had made other choices? Yeah, I mean, to this collective question, like, I'm not sure I would imagine.

Starting point is 00:14:40 It's like if, yeah, if he'd got his guy and Rita was fine and they got to have their little honeymoon, I could certainly imagine a version of this where if I don't necessarily foresee him in that case retiring the Dark Passenger completely, but certainly re-adjusting his work-life hobby balance. Yes. And, yeah, being made.

Starting point is 00:15:00 maybe a little less chaotic in the application of some of that. And I do love the, you know, tension that they ring out of him in a season like this being like, well, I can't kill him yet. I've got stuff to learn. And I still got to kind of understand a greater context about this guy who's, you know, uniquely suited to shine some light on my own condition. But yeah, when it comes to Rita, like the, the,

Starting point is 00:15:22 I have to imagine that this is going to send him into a spiral of sorts. I think the grasp on humanity that he has right now, tenuous though it may be, is going to get more tenuous. I don't foresee it 100. I think that would be the question. Will it break, given that he still has the kids to ground him?

Starting point is 00:15:45 But will he be able to accept, you know, the responsibility of being their dad and the implications of that given who he is? But I think the fact that he finds little Harrison in this pool of blood will ignite that sort of hairy instinct of like I got to look out for this kid at least but it's just so tragic with Rita

Starting point is 00:16:05 I mean I don't know what'll happen to the kids I mean on the one hand I could see Dexter having you know custody or care of them and at the same time I could imagine a version of this where that's not really plausible or possible or maybe you know social work or whatever you know doesn't think that's the best

Starting point is 00:16:21 idea but he can keep his biological son I honestly am not really sure what to expect of the kids other than a lot of grieving and mourning and a funeral to start. It's like we ended season three on a marriage and now we end and start season five I assume on a funeral and I mean Rita's

Starting point is 00:16:37 role has been really lovely and I mean her performance Julie Benz has been amazing and the arc of the character like who she's grown into I know we have sat here and commented so many times about you know the different emotions

Starting point is 00:16:52 and you know states of mind that she's able to portray and going from somebody who was a lot more timid and fragile and who was clearly still actively, you know, caught up in a lot of trauma to watch her do the work on that and to really learn how to set boundaries. Like, she's kind of often her own show in a lot of ways. And it's interesting to watch Dexter try and rise to the occasion for her. But, uh, but yeah, like the amount of strength and growth that that character showed was a really vital and important, I think, presence on the show. And I do feel like, I feel like characters in that position are often kind of unfairly, you know, sort of cast into like a, you know, I don't like this character because they're getting in the way of the fun shit that my protagonist is doing.

Starting point is 00:17:38 But I really do love the motif of, you know, him wondering and dissecting the idea that Rita and by proxy the kids keep him and make him human and that they inspire. They are the seed that grows the goodness that, you know, if any goodness takes place in there, there's a seed from Harry. There's a seed from Deb, and there's a seed from Rita and the kids, basically, and they were probably the strongest, most current, vital one. So, I mean, just all of the love and, you know, appreciation for the work that Julie Benz put on screen, that they put on screen together. And I just wonder where the context was, like, if this was always part of one of the books, or, you know, if this was always part of the plan, or if she was just ready to, I'm sure,

Starting point is 00:18:20 at this point, your star is probably more established and more on the rise than at the start. so maybe she wanted to move on. I don't know, but either way. I feel like things could have gone differently if he had made some different choices in this season, and I feel like things could have turned out differently if she hadn't died. And I am just so fascinated to see what the fallout

Starting point is 00:18:42 and what the unpacking of this is going to look like. These are all great points and good questions to ask John. And it's never where I thought it would happen. No, no, no, no, of course. It's totally out of the blue. It hurts. And it's the first time we've gotten like a real, this is going to this season is going to lead directly into the next season for sure no for sure and

Starting point is 00:19:02 again it at one time said it in my head I'm like when he was looking at deborah's stuff and at the apartment and I was just worried like I hope he doesn't find out the the actual address to to dexter and and real live but you know that old saying history repeats itself over the cycle you know the vicious cycle repeats and when it comes to being born in blood obviously with Harrison and all that. But Rita's arc throughout this entire series has been really, it's been fun to watch. It's been tragic at the same point to watch. But it's, it's been very, it's been satisfying to watch is what I would say too at the same point. To see her be such a pushover at the beginning and then to see her finally get, you know, having her own agency and to stand up for

Starting point is 00:19:51 herself and to be so direct with people and to feel her feelings. And then the relationship. And then the relationship that has blossomed over the last four seasons between her and Dexter it's it's really been it's like a seed that you plant into the ground and then you see it blossom into a beautiful flower it's really been beautiful to watch and like to see that flower just be ripped out from the ground for uh you know from john and i and all you who love this show it's really it's really tragic to see I know I continue to use that word ad nauseum John But it's like it

Starting point is 00:20:25 I was just getting choked up listening to John talk about Rita And just even seeing the name read like it's That's this character means a lot I'm gonna speak for you John to John myself And I'm sure most of you all I like I know John was just making the point like Yeah this character might get in the way of the fun stuff The Dark Passer

Starting point is 00:20:42 I never like felt that way Because like I felt like this character As John also just pointed out And we've talked about this before in other reviews she made Dexter feel and I know being the dark passenger too because of his traumatic his traumatic past

Starting point is 00:20:56 you know he feels alive when he scratches that itch and he becomes the dark passenger and he's taking out the human filth which we all can appreciate you know I feel that she allows him to breathe and makes him feel alive and humanizes him and it's really going to really be hard to see and when it comes to the kids

Starting point is 00:21:15 next season I could see a scenario where Rita's mom comes back and helps out a little bit. I can see a scenario where Paul's parents have to help out a little bit and do double kind of parenting duties kind of thing. So I'm curious. I mean, John also made the point about social. We'll see. I don't know because I can imagine Dexter in his guilt and his haste is going to feel again a lot of guilt. And maybe that's going to unfortunately transition and rub off over to the kids and he's not going to be able to be there emotionally and physically for the children. So I worry about that. But I think that's going to be part of his emotional arc and his

Starting point is 00:21:51 growth in the next season that he's got to be there for them, especially at this moment. So I'm really going to, and I know we're sure, I'm assuming we're going to get some moments here and there of Julie Ben's coming back when Dexter thinks about her. I wonder. But, but I'm really, I'm really going to miss having her on the show, man. It's, she is such a great character. She was really three-dimensional. She had so many different complex layers to her. And it was, just more than dexter i want you to change and be the man i want you to be like just having the moment where she confessed like what she did and that when dex was being very simplistic in his emotional intelligence of course to say oh no it's fine like we'll get over it but kind of thing and

Starting point is 00:22:31 like to see like i'm glad that you're like not you know you're not ripping my head off about this that's sweet of you but like don't don't you give a shit don't you care yeah i want you to like you know give a damn about this yeah some kind of strong reaction to this yeah but then when she saw that he punched the man who did this again you know violence is not always the way obviously but like that showed like oh my god this man really does care about me he loves me he'll fight for me uh you know if if another man puts his hands on me and you know i was i was emotionally uh you know vulnerable in the moment and and i succumbed to that that emotion type of thing but like i loved her so much and this is just again so heartbreaking so uh i'm going to be happy to at least

Starting point is 00:23:15 hopefully see her in some moments but also it's going to make me sad that she's not fully a part of the show anymore and I'm I can only assume when they told Julie Ben's the show hey this is for the betterment of the show unfortunately but we're sorry we have to kill off your character you can only imagine again if it's not a scheduling thing she must

Starting point is 00:23:31 have went oh no oh I love being on the show but she did a phenomenal job like praise to Julie Ben's great job seriously you really brought the character to life like incredible job and the chemistry between her and Michael C. Hall was absolutely phenomenal. You really felt that they were just such a dynamic duo and you really bought that

Starting point is 00:23:50 relationship and all their strengths, all their things, all the times that they conflicted with each other. It was just, it was just a wholesome organic relationship from top to bottom. I'm going to miss her so much. Thank you so much for the question. Absolutely for both Rianan and Lindsay. Yes, for the questions. We appreciate it. And then Rianan has a follow up here. okay how does this twist compare to the other big shocks in dexter up to this point um and loving the reactions thank you rey and we appreciate you so much and for asking the question for the first time uh please ask more questions in the future love to hear from you uh because we got to buy any twist that was holy crap even deborah finding out i don't know if that's a twist per se

Starting point is 00:24:39 but i don't i'm i'm gonna go with read i mean yes i know you can say they were building up to this moment because the women in the bathtub and then a child born out of blood and they called it. So if you probably rewatch it, you're like, they're building up to this moment. I'm going to go with Rita, man. I know it's recency bias. The Biny one was huge. I'm not

Starting point is 00:24:58 downplaying that in any way. It's either that or this. Yeah, no, it's between those two. It's like, hey, it's literally right there. They're both. They're both huge. They're both huge. I'm not downplaying Biny in any way. That was like, holy shit.

Starting point is 00:25:13 but I think this one this one just and again I felt for binding they gave the fact that you can make me feel sympathy for a man who is literally taking life and not human garbage you know what I mean and because he didn't have that nurture ship and that that mentorship rather and it gives you that that sense of oh wow we really are a product of the environment around us and that we grew up in you know what I mean so I felt for binding and again that twist was was was horrible it was crazy rather and but this one just this hurts more this twist honestly it's more shocking in a way it's just more painful and and cold and sad uh i mean yeah it's either that or or the ice truck yeah the brian reveal the brian moser reveal uh it's either i think that in context is like super strong and was a real fierce one-to punch with like oh we know who it is before the end of the show and oh shit now we really know who it is but this definitely was a gut punch and a wallop and and whereas that i think you could maybe more easy not easily you could more readily i think unravel that than

Starting point is 00:26:26 then predict this i mean her being off screen kind of tricks you into a false sense of security because you're like yeah she's going away on her trip but uh but yeah like once she gets back and it's that whole like oh you know i forgot something at the house like yeah my stomach just started to sink and it's like you're either in for a sweet moment or a not very sweet moment um and i mean yeah like every season has had great twists and great reveals but i think these two certainly take the cake in terms of just again the the magnitude of them uh most certainly yeah thank you so much uh for the question we appreciate our questions we appreciate it real talk reject nation as many of you know this year i started off at over 218 pounds over 22 percent body fat and by the beginning

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Starting point is 00:28:41 All right, Hunter Preston, how do you feel about the villain of the season slash week of Dexter at this point? When Dexter came out, that was the mold for most shows, but by the time it ended, TV switched over to storylines told over multiple seasons. Yeah, I mean, I think at the time this was coming out, you know, you're starting to crest into having cable prestige television be more accessible to people. people, and I think just a bigger cultural force than ever before. I think you're transitioning out of the time when, like, network TV is the main water cooler entertainment. And so, yeah, I think it's a fascinating thing to observe. I like the fact that you have a villain of the season, but you also have, you have some

Starting point is 00:29:26 episodic nature with each season, but you also have a much stronger than I had even expected through line of Dexter's growth as a human to really make everything feel serialized. So I think it's really cool to see that this might have rubbed off on so many things and I really enjoy the way they orchestrate their storyteller here. For sure. No, I think this

Starting point is 00:29:49 might have been my favorite villain of the four seasons so far. And I think John Lithgow just, again, the way, I mentioned it already a few times, the way he was able to flip on a dime when it came to his emotions and the way he expressed himself and the way he was able to just change

Starting point is 00:30:03 from scary to welcoming to psychotic. It's really important. And that, again, just gets me so excited for him as Dumbledore because Dumbledore is such a welcoming, it's such a welcoming person. But there's one specific scene in Half Blood Prince where he freaks out on a certain set of people. And now watching John Lithgow on this, I'm like, I get why they chose him. He's perfect for this. So, yeah, I would say him, but also to the parallels between him and Dexter are just so fascinating. I loved all their dialogue together.

Starting point is 00:30:33 And also, too, like the fact that Dexter could have taken him out so many different times. him like he wanted to really improve his family life and when he saw this facade that Arthur had created of this perfect family life you know he's like oh i've got more to you know i really am a perfectionist when it comes to this and i really do care about my family they mean the world to me i truly believe that and i feel like i this man can put me in a position before i i take him out that he can put me in a position where i i comfort them and put them in a position that they feel that they are loved because I have another job to do, but I still want

Starting point is 00:31:11 them. And this guy also does something very similar, although he takes out good people. But, you know, we have similar paths just on different ends of the spectrum, but we are trying to be good family mental, though that was obviously, again, a facade when it came to Arthur. So I understand

Starting point is 00:31:27 Dexter's propensity and need to try to learn from this guy for like, hey, this guy's bad news, but I'll try to get something good out of him. And I can understand. that that's a very human emotion and again grounds it to reality at the end it was unfortunately for reed is undoing and it just sucks but if dexter had a crystal ball and would have known that and we're just taking him out or let him fall to his doom but you know again i don't

Starting point is 00:31:53 blame dexter when it comes to that kind of thing because no one can uh you know and no one can know the future if they did you know they'd make a million dollars betting on on sports games and all that kind of stuff and then they'd be bif tannan you know so It's tough, but again, it creates an interesting conflict between the two because they are very similar when it comes to, again, their traumas and their past where Arthur, not similar in terms of just they have trauma passed, but Arthur was mentally, or mentally anguished, physically abused, and this led him down this path, whereas Dexter witnessed an actual murder of his mother and this led him here. But the difference was that Dexter had Harry, whereas Arthur did not. so it creates an interesting dynamic between the two of them and I loved all their dialogue was so fascinating yeah so great my favorite villain so far Ben

Starting point is 00:32:43 I've loved all the villains just to add that yeah that's high praise for how good the villains have been up to this point super dimensional kaleidoscopic fascinating performance character at all yes like truly standout amongst a bunch of standouts yes hunter Preston follow up question this is a pretty quick one Do you think Dexter would have benefited any from the way TV shows are structured today?

Starting point is 00:33:09 Possibly. I mean, I don't, I'm assuming when this came out that this probably came out with, what, is it by the week? I don't know. Do you know the answer to that? Yeah, like weekly. You might have some reason why there's a couple weeks between usually weekly. I'm going to assume that the question then is like going to, would this have probably

Starting point is 00:33:27 been like more of a streaming thing and it comes out all at once? I guess for like people nowadays, they would have probably liked that we can just binge it all now. I like the mystery of, I remember, like, just growing up with shows, having to wait that week. I know it sucked, but I also like that nuance and that mystery of, like, having to wait. It kind of sucks, but anticipation is a part of the, is a part of fandom, is a part of enjoying, especially a long form anything. Or, I don't know, yeah, like anticipation is often the most fun part of the cycle. And so a thing like this, I think benefits from that.

Starting point is 00:34:00 And I honestly, I don't really think that it would have benefited from. the way TV shows are structured today because A, it's not altogether super different in that you know, every episode has to have its own isolated structure and, you know, thematics and whatnot and I think they're really strong at giving

Starting point is 00:34:18 each episode, you know, different themes for all the different characters to confront and, you know, you need some kind of strong crescendo or cliffhanger at the end of each episode to get us coming back each week. So I feel like, you know, this is kind of perfect for what it is. And this has a lot of the great

Starting point is 00:34:34 benefits of being both a limited series or having you know again us an anthological quality in that you have one major case or or a couple major conflicts each season but you know you have the um serial the super serialized elements that go across every season as well and so like i think yeah like now shows now have learned from this and i feel like dropping this all at once once as a binge wouldn't help it really in any way like it's good it would still be great but i feel like week to week with the way they write it right now zero complaints and there's nothing about the current state of things i wish this had yeah no no agree with you and last thing i'll say i would just say like i would definitely enjoy this as a binge even though we didn't like binge it all the way through we did

Starting point is 00:35:18 it over the course of a couple weeks or so but if i watch this whole thing right away i'd be like shit i want more yeah so like having the weekly again it adds a mystery but it adds the i think you said it best it adds that anticipation so that's why i miss like having with my smallville with my boy meets world power rangers what batman the animated series bobby's world what all these great shows we had that weekly thing there was just a sense of nostalgia uh you know a nostalgic thing with it but also too it just it was a really a sense of uh just i got to wait but i got to wait for something great so like we are binging this but i am happy for the breaks we get in between the binges totally you know we're watching this faster than i would prefer yeah even though this has been a blast and i've loved

Starting point is 00:36:02 the uniqueness of this experience, but like as a general viewer, yeah. For sure. I totally agree. Juan Ibar. Thank you for joining us. Hi, Andrew and John. Hello to you. So happy you are both doing this watch-along. It's been a lot of fun re-watching the series with you both. Thank you so much. This has been an absolute joy. The season finale,

Starting point is 00:36:22 Cemented Dexter is one of my all-time favorite shows. I didn't see Rita's death coming. I was in shock for days. I can tell we are going to be. My question is, what other TV shows or movies had a shock or unexpected twist that really stuck with you afterward. No spoilers. Oh, okay. I won't go with spoilers. I'll just say the movie then I guess, right? Sure, why not? Uh, the departed, the departed, the departed. I'll just leave it at that if you were not going to go spoilers. But I'll just say in the movie theater, I remember going in a certain

Starting point is 00:36:50 scene. Holy shit. Holy shit. I'll just say that. Because I can't go with spoilers here. So I'll leave it at that. gracious me I know there's going to be some other answer I wish I named I mean Game of Thrones

Starting point is 00:37:07 has a lot of really crazy twists in it Don't say a word Judge goodness gracious I mean obviously there's stuff like

Starting point is 00:37:16 oh it's the sixth sense I remember when split came out and like the reveal of that was like that was awesome pretty crazy and that was like a cultural moment

Starting point is 00:37:24 yes I did not know that I don't remember in the theater I was like what I know there's going to be something I love Yeah, that we forget to mention. But yeah, there are so many great, you know, teletwists and movie twists and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:37:38 Walking Dead, I feel like had some good ones back in its heyday. Yeah, goodness. I'm going to have to think some more on that one. I would love to, without, yeah, like, doing the spoilers, just name them in the comments. You know what? I would also put Terminator 2 Judgment Day in there as well. Not the ending or anything, but like there's a point in the first. 20 or 30 minutes if you haven't seen the trailers to that film where there's a twist in there

Starting point is 00:38:05 and I would say that I would put that movie in there as well I think you know what I'm talking about right I think maybe okay well we'll talk about I can't talk spoilers because otherwise I would go more into context yeah but if you know the the plot of the first film and then when a certain thing gets revealed in the second film you're like oh my god that's where we're going in this film that is incredible I did not see that coming because I didn't watch the trailer to this movie where trailers a lot of times spoil things. Yeah. And I know James Cameron was not happy with the trailer.

Starting point is 00:38:37 So yeah, I would say Terminator 2 Judgment Day. All righty. Let's go with that. Thank you so much. We appreciate you, Juan. Nick at night. Oh, I love it. A place for TV hits. That is great. Hey, John Andrew. What's up, Nick?

Starting point is 00:38:52 Hope you enjoyed season 4 as much as I did. Favorite season so far and tragic one, too. I think it's the best season with all its reveals and Dexter Meeting, another killer as twisted as the ice cream truck killer i told you that's the name my question is what do you think about deb finally learning about dexter's connection to the ice cream truck killer and do you think it will affect their relationship going forward thanks for all the hard work uh thanks for all the hard work guys you're the best well nick thank you for getting the the ice cream truck killer

Starting point is 00:39:25 name right we appreciate that first of all um i know guys so I thought that was fascinating the way Deb found out first and foremost and then the way she got it out of Matthews because Matthews is like okay she is a detective after all this isn't just some random regular person coming up to me yeah I'm not gonna bullshit her well yeah and like with that interaction we saw with Dexter like clearly he does he is a person some of the time and it's like she's done the work she knows she knows so now it's yeah he just has to be there to verify to validate yeah I thought it was fascinating the way dexter was able to on a dime was able to react the way he did when he's like oh she doesn't know that i've got the dark passenger so i'm just going to react as naturally as possible so i can sort of pull myself out of the out of the uh the heat that i'm in right now with with deb finding out this information and also the fact that i didn't know that debra was raised not debra that laura moza rather was my mom and that brian was my brother i didn't know that what what like

Starting point is 00:40:30 That was a good save on Dexter. I'll give her that. But Deborah is very savvy. We've talked about how emotional she is. We've talked about how impulsive she can be and that she wears her heart in her sleeve. And by the way, I just want to give Jessica Jennifer Carpenter her acting display this season, the way she's able to really let her emotions out and express herself. If she was not nominated for an M. And again, this is really not recency bias.

Starting point is 00:40:59 and also the fact that I'm so damn attracted to her but if she was not nominated for an Emmy this season I really think they really shunned her honestly that's just my opinion subjectively of course but she was that good honestly having said that Deb is very savvy when it comes to her investigation skills

Starting point is 00:41:22 she's not dumb she you like the fact that she got as far she did with the Trinity Killer was impressive and just everything she's ever been able to solve up to this point. She's very good at her job. Something tells me she's going to find out a lot more about her brother. In the coming seasons, that's just a me guess, prediction rather.

Starting point is 00:41:44 So their interactions in the future, especially also too now, Dexter is in a very emotionally vulnerable place too. As she is, she lost the love of her life as well with Lundy. And that was stolen from her, as was Dexter's as well this season. Dexter they're going to need each other first of all first and foremost but something tells me this is not over that you know she's going to usually what happens in

Starting point is 00:42:09 movies and TV shows at least what I've learned John the truth usually comes out at some point and granted Rita didn't learn exactly I mean I don't know what the interaction was between Arthur Mitchell and Rita I don't know if he said

Starting point is 00:42:26 Dexter the you're the man you're married to is really a dark passenger, this is what he does. I have no idea with their interaction, so I don't know if she really learned the truth in her final dark moments, or tragic final moments rather, but I have a feeling that Deb

Starting point is 00:42:43 is going to find out or figure out the truth. She's that good at her job, and that savvy and that smart. What about you? Yeah, I mean, I think this is definitely going to be something that is looming over the next season, for sure. I think that

Starting point is 00:42:58 you know I really appreciated the exchange that they had together she yeah I absolutely agree she has been

Starting point is 00:43:06 incredible across the entire show especially over the course of the season and Deb has had a

Starting point is 00:43:11 fuck ton of things to contend with and to go through and her performances are just so

Starting point is 00:43:19 vulnerable and so vivid and yeah she is an incredible incredible performer and yeah

Starting point is 00:43:27 I love that they you know really just touch on the fact like I love their exchange at the you know Mitchell house where she's yeah telling him the information and he doesn't give her all of his knowledge but they have a very lovely and painful little moment there and I think it kind of rips that wound back open for him and it comes with a different context for him to be acknowledging it with his sister you know it's just a different and but equally striking kind of emotional thing even for somebody who struggles to understand you know the idea of their own emotions um so yeah i mean i i have to imagine that her knowing this is going to be a thing that gets discussed talked about and that

Starting point is 00:44:14 is something that can shed to some level of um uh like i have to imagine some tension will arise out of it because um you know if we i don't know i have to assume that he's going to call it in to the police uh to metro and then she's going to know about the intimate details of the crime scene and how that is similar to what dexter went through the bathtub yeah and uh and i don't know i have a feeling they're going to be you know investigative reasons to bring it back up but also yeah like if dexter is leading a double life it's going to give her a new reason to be suspicious but it could also bring them closer in that you know it's another thing that harry left them to contend with and that he lied about in order to protect them and that's just a

Starting point is 00:45:02 thing that when shared is a unique point of of uh identification for two people who are the benefactors of that lie so um yeah man it's a really heavy revelation and uh watching i like to that i like the uppest and downs in the backs and forth like they really smartly i think beat these storylines out over the course of a season and so that thread could have been left with her just deciding to not to and I think the way it ultimately came back around and fulfilled itself was nicely handled and yeah I'm just I'm fascinated to know what's going to do to them especially because Deb is about to become most of his you know humanity and support system for sure I agree with you and I think that's going to be if she does really find out the truth like it might either

Starting point is 00:45:52 bring her some closure and like why Harry was so dismissive and was not there for her because she was trying to he was trying to contain this boy who had this tragic thing happened to him and like really contain the dark passenger and that it's not that he didn't love you deb he did but like he was trying to like keep the leash on this kid you know what i mean so and he he thought you could handle yourself so it might could bring her closure or could bring resentment towards dexter so we'll see and also one line last thing I want to get to before we get to our boy J. Rushden here, John, you know, we did get asked the question about what was the more, one of the most shocking twist. We didn't even mention

Starting point is 00:46:30 Christine Hill. That was quite a too. I did forget to mention that. That was quite a too. I kind of packaged it up in there. But yeah, that was an incredible. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted, I just wanted to, I just wanted to bring awareness to that. That was quite a twist too. Because I was like under the impression she was just writing and had ambitious goals of her own. And she was just using Quinn, which she was, but I did not expect her to be the Trinity Killer's daughter. So that was quite an... And just another shard of this guy's weird history that we never get the full picture of, but that is just so sorted and twisting and winding.

Starting point is 00:47:08 I mean, yeah, you could almost make a show just Arthur. Yeah. Well, that's the sign of a great show is like there is when you can imagine episodes of like a show running alongside this. Like, I could imagine watching something that, yeah, focuses on this character or that character because the life and the circumstance they've drawn is just that rich and interesting. I agree with you. Also, just a couple quick shoutouts, because I've completely blank severance.

Starting point is 00:47:34 Great twists on that show. Holy shit, that show with the twists and the mysteries. Saw movies, I'm a big sucker for Saw, and those are predicated on twists. But also, shouts out, scream, great movie, great twists, at least early on especially. Some good reveals across the franchise And I will say The identity The movie identity

Starting point is 00:47:56 The James Mangold With John Cusack and a whole bunch of people I don't have to check it out That movie I remember at the time blew my mind with that twist And I saw that like when I was kind of like a You know literally have no idea what the twist is Slightly yeah don't don't look it up

Starting point is 00:48:10 Maybe I'll react to it if you guys think I should Save it and see if you if you guess it Yeah like the sixth sense I've never seen that film but I do know the twist Because everyone is pointed it to me but I would still love to see that movie if you guys think that'd be reactionary worthy but the mist I don't know if that counts

Starting point is 00:48:25 as a twist it's more of a shocking weird reveal but yeah they'll keep coming to us yeah yeah for sure but thank you so much Nick and Knight for the question we appreciate you so much being a royal reject Jay Rushden what up Jay

Starting point is 00:48:41 and this is our final question finally we got Dexter Thanksgiving show question what is your favorite thanksgiving skipping food there. Oh, that's a tricky one. I got my answer, John. We'll go.

Starting point is 00:48:55 Go for it. Oh, when the bike messengers are not knocking me over, it's got to be the cranberries. I've made a good homemade cranberries. I love them in the canned shape, too, but I've made a homemade cranberry sauce once a choice. I would like to be serious and not give a Sam Ramey Spider-Man reference. I would say, man, I love yam, sweet potatoes.

Starting point is 00:49:16 Those are really good. I've really grown to love to. With gravy, I used to hate it. I used to think turkey was so dry and not good. But then when I started doing gravy, a really good gravy. A really good gravy. It can accentuate so many Thanksgiving dishes. Low key, even though that's not like it's a sauce more than it as a food, I would say gravy.

Starting point is 00:49:33 I mean, you say low key, but what about Thor? Eh, hey, hey. It's not as traditional, but it's traditional in my family. My grandma, my mom, me, we would make a, like a risotto on Thanksgiving. It's pretty great. do love a gravy love a biscuit we would also make

Starting point is 00:49:53 homemade little biscuits you know you put some like pumpkin butter some honey on that oh John real delicious stop buttering me up it's weird it's like all the little side character MVP's I also love to make you know like a like I said

Starting point is 00:50:05 bourbon pecan pie or pumpkin pie or something like that I love pumpkin pie my favorite yeah yeah I would also say sweet potato parmesan chicken casciatore oh yeah these are some good these are some good things

Starting point is 00:50:16 along with the classics Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Throw a good green bean or a mushroom on the side, you know? Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I'll eat anything at Thanksgiving table because I'm so thankful. I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for everyone here at Reject Nation for the whole team here. Thankful for all you guys.

Starting point is 00:50:33 Oddly enough, I'm not a big stuffing guy, which I know is like Thanksgiving blasphemy, but, you know, to each their own. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, no, no, I feel you. But, yeah, let us know in the comments. What I would love to know a few things. First of all, is this your favorite season? of Dexter how would you rank it so far through the first four seasons if you want to tell us

Starting point is 00:50:52 the whole thing that's fine as well and mashed potatoes are and what do you think about mashed potatoes as well we'd love to hear your thoughts when it comes to that what is your favorite thanksgiving food we want to know about that also when it comes to seasons one through four don't go pass uh what are some of the best twists when it comes to this show we'd love to hear or just favorite twist in a movie or tv show as well you can mention that as well we appreciate uh you guys if you stuck with us this long, you guys are the best. This was seriously, like, thank you. This was great.

Starting point is 00:51:22 Like, this was so well acted, so well written. Oh, my God. So, like, great guest stars, multiple. Yeah. So taught. Like, this is a show worth, at least up till now, worth studying. Oh, my God. I can't say enough about how great this was,

Starting point is 00:51:35 even though I am in shock and heartbroken and all that. Agreed. Agreed. The first four seasons have been nothing short of holy crap amazing and also sad and tragic and immersive and I've enjoyed every single moment of it and I can't wait to continue as well I even if

Starting point is 00:51:55 it's not as good as the first four season I'm still so intrigued by every all these characters and just to see where we go from here so yeah same again if you've stayed with us this long we really appreciate you and yeah just again make sure you hit that notification about that way you're notified whenever more Dexter videos drop

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