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Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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Hey Well we're going to get our initial thoughts on these two episodes But I'd like your overall thoughts on the season Because we've mentioned this A pevy of times now Throughout season 5 I know this is not ranked Among the pantheon of seasons 1 through 4

I would not agree with that I think it's right up there personally but I want to hear your overall thoughts first of all these two episodes and then you can go into some season five and then we'll get to some questions after I lay my thoughts as well but what are your overall thoughts

of these last two episodes in season five just in general? I really liked the whole season. I like these last two episodes were really tense and nerve-wracking and emotional and yeah

this was a fascinating season because you know it's building upon what's come before it but I think in some ways it's very unique compared to the other seasons or, you know, when you look at it, you know, in contrast with the other seasons, the guest stars have been tremendous, and the way they've used the guest stars was very creative in this season, again, in response to what we've done in the past.

And just the unique tenor and point of view of this story really spoke to me, and I know, you know, a lot of people who really gravitate towards this season in particular. So yeah, I would say that this has certainly continued just the continuing, you know, trajectory of, you know, goodwill for me, you know, like I've really felt like they've done a terrific job with this season and keeping the show, you know, functioning as something that is constantly growing and progressing this serial story of Dexter as a person, as a character. but yeah also mixing in these you know unique spins every season on how to do the structure and what you know themes to focus on and yeah i thought this was really unique and in terms of you know the kinds of people the kinds of you know criminals and miscreants you know to sick dexter's dark passenger on this is perhaps the most sort of benevolent i mean you know there's always like a morality play with what dexter does but this is i think the easiest for people to get on board with

because this is some of the most violent harsh you know disturbing subject matter that they've flirted with in a show that is no stranger to that kind of stuff so yeah i thought this is really terrific um yeah julia styles fantastic work across the board uh the development of her going from the midst of active trauma to someone trying to cope with that trauma and grief and sort of settling the rubble and figuring out well who am i now and yeah having this darkness sort of awakened within her and and needing to kind of see that through to completion and and having that be something that as opposed to what dexter experiences this is something that can be sort of seen to completion and closure can happen and it's fascinating and yeah like you know you don't

want to see her leave but at the same time you kind of get it you're like this is a vivid important chapter in this person's life, but this is also not who she is deep down. And now that this trauma has been at least addressed and she has kind of, you know, gone through this major catharsis. And also, too, like the establishment of intimacy. Like, you know, again, I wasn't really on board with the idea that he and Lumen would be intimate early on because I know that for people who have suffered things anywhere near what she's suffered, oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes, that's not what you want. You don't want to be touched by anybody or

vulnerable. But they handle it so well. But yeah, the back and forth debate of trust between them has been so vital and yeah, watching them, watching him, you know, really bring out this side of Dexter

that is, I don't know, it felt like a whole different shade and something that is sort of breathless and sort of desperate in a way. something that is like he is yeah like to borrow the venom he's like a lethal protector he's taken her under his wing but yeah there's something you know almost spiritual feeling to him because you know this seems like yeah a very emotional difficult experience for dexter he often looks like

he's on the verge of tears and uh and yeah just the way they handle the harshness and the sickness This represented by, you know, Jordan Chase and his cohorts along with what the victims suffer. This was a really fascinating season. And, yeah, I thought the way they, you could easily make this subject matter lurid or, you know, in poor taste. But I thought that they handled this rather well for my perspective, which admittedly is limited. And, yeah, in talking to and just hearing perspectives of people who have been more in lumines, position. It seems like those people really appreciate this season as well.

And so that's always a nice sign that again, the writers did their homework. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, like this is a season that involves so many sort of emotionally difficult and incongruous things. You know, people in the midst of these situations are rarely, you know,

acting with the most cool, calm, and collected logic. And I thought they handled the mess and the gray of this, both from the Lumen and Dexter perspective, as well as for everybody else. Like they're good at always, you know, involving the rest of the ensemble thematically and also, you know,

physically in the case or whatever. But yeah, I really like the journey. I love what you just said, too, that people who have unfortunately been in the same position as Lumen have appreciated what the season has done, especially with her character and just the subject matter at hand because it could have definitely been done in poor taste. And generally, at least for me,

I like things that allow me to resonate with myself. In this case, that's a totally different perspective because, of course, I can't resonate in any way, shape, of form, or no, or rather if I had had something happened to me, if I was a woman, and something like that had happened to me like Lumen, I don't know if I'd want a resonating case. Yeah, but the point being is if something like this had ever happened to me, yes, I would never want to resonate.

But if there was going to be something, I'd at least want a vindication and something cathartic to at least help me to remedy that sort of trauma. And I feel like this season did a great job of that, handling the subject mattered, and especially with Lumen, like from the transformation she went through, the progression as a character, like going from someone who has to deal with this. And together with Dexter, she really grows into a mentally tough

and really strong person physically as well, able to handle herself and just, you know, the dark passenger that comes from this transformation and then she's able to get closure after dealing with this, I think it's just such a beautiful arc that we see throughout the season. And I loved it and her getting that vindication and that cathartic release at the end. It was heartbreaking for us, the audience, as well as Lumen and Dexter, because you really do want them together, especially with what Dexter has just been through with Rita and he finally feels like he had something with Lumen that he never even had with Rita. He could actually be the dark passenger, fully be himself with someone,

which he'd never ever got to experience because there were things he had to hide from Rita. He couldn't fully be himself. So there's something beautiful about that. You know, at the end of the day, once Lumen got what she, you know, wanted in terms of like that closure, she wanted to there was nothing there and she wanted to live a normal life and like I it's as heartbreaking as it is I can understand that it's all about perspective well yeah it's like it's it's not even just wanting to live a normal life is just yeah this this is not the life I want anymore I'm well and I don't need it anymore like it's served its purpose and now that's just kind of well who yeah exactly and who am I going to go I'm just going to what am I going to live a normal life while

you are going out doing your dark passenger thing so I and she's got a whole family She's got her ex-fiancee. Like, there are theoretically things for her to go and... I mean, if she ever comes back, that's incredible. I don't... We'll see what happens. I have known... Like, she, I would imagine, and we'll get into this more with the questions,

but I imagine she probably feels like she's in a place now where she can go and re-convene or re-commune with the rest of her actual life. For sure. And I feel like all the transformations that were happening throughout the season were so fascinating when it came to Lumen, when it came to Dexter, like how you deal with trauma and then also too when you have like a piece of shit like uh uh eugene greer or uh what is it john

i was about say johnny lee miller but that is the actor's name but with jordan chase thank you i'm always about say johnny chase i'm like i'm not putting drama i'm not putting drama from entourage in this discussion but yeah like he transformed at the destruction of others and he thrived at that and it's like look i'm all about evolving and growing i feel i've i've done a great deal of that in my own right over time but i would never be okay with doing that if it meant that the suffering of others and well and that's the thing they say about a lot of this particular kind of abuser is that oftentimes he's a narcissist he's a narcissist but more than that it's not about the sex aspect it's about power and control yeah it's about you know yeah there they're definitely

is a narcissistic it's you can feel that too with when he's talking to the women yeah and the way he ostensibly is able to influence these other guys to do this stuff. You know how, he knew how to manipulate very well. Yeah, yeah. It's like he needs to be influencing multiple people and yeah, it's like a sick twisted web.

And it's an interesting wrinkle that he's not the one who does the actual act, but he is the one who directs everybody. And, uh, and yeah. Agreed. It's a fascinating event. I mean, to go after season four when you have one of the greatest villains in TV history with the Trinity, that's,

a tough prospect and just one of the greatest seasons in tv show history i thought this show like the emotional intensity and just the emotional drama i really thought this was the way to go and it was handled so well i love this season it was really you definitely have to be in the mood to watch it because it's it's really heavy you know as as uh marty and and doc would say or you know so i i thought it was just well very well executed i would also say too before we get in the questions here i really also love the development of Quinn and Quinn and Deborah's relationship. You got to understand, too, the messed up back, or backstory, rather, in regards to their relationships and the mistrust that they have. Of course, with Deborah and Biny, and that what happened there. And then with, was it Quinn and Hill was her last name?

Christina Hill, was that? She was the Trinity's daughter, whatever her name is. They both dated some, And, of course, you know, Deborah's also dated some good guys, too. She dated Lundy, who John and I loved as well as from Arrow, the other guy, what was... Oh, yeah, Anton. He was great, too. And he was cool. Yeah, so she has dated some good guys, but also there is some trust issues. And she's also worried about, like, is she going to break someone's heart?

It's vice versa. So, but the fact that both of them have dated, like, serial killers, like, there is that, that wild resonating side that they can kind of correlate with. Yeah, very uniquely. Yeah, for sure. And also the fact that they work together in their partners. So there is that natural trust as well, too. Well, yeah.

And it makes it complicated too. They're from similar walks of life in their own ways. And yeah, they can, they have difference of sensibility. But yeah, there's a lot for them to relate on. But I did love seeing, too, that Quinn was always, yeah, there were times where he would cut paths or, like, do. do things that were very shady like a Stan Lindy

not to the not to the level of a Stan Lindy but we saw Liddy excuse me thank you but he would like put money in his pocket like at a hotel and I understand why I get it like police officers are not paid a lot of money and shit so I understand why he would cut corners and do the and

all the stuff that he would do well yeah he does stuff off the book but this provides you that contrast of like but he's not this fucking guy but he could become that guy but watching Stan, seeing how Stan operated, I think was a cautionary tale. And I think falling in love with Deborah

also showed, like, love will prevail and like, I want to be. She makes me want to be a better man and a good cop. It makes me want to have integrity. Yeah, for sure. And have principles. So I appreciated that. Rather than being, yeah, like a Stan with me. It didn't feel generic. It didn't feel generic to me. It felt organic and natural for him to see this

progression grow from him. Yeah. I want to be the, like, he was willing to go to prison, like over it, as opposed to saying, it was Dexter, was, so. Well, he, He seemed very... Not that the evidence was on his side at that point anyways, but he did have the photos and... I don't know.

Well, no, he just seemed, yeah, very willing to kind of accept the bed that he had made. And, yeah, I mean, there is a lot of sort of difficult information to handle there. But yeah, Liddy is definitely the kind of character who you're like, you see the appeal of Liddy, but you also see that, like, you would never want to become this guy. No. And somebody in Quinn's position is sort of probably, you know,

they don't make a huge show out of it. But I feel like he's in the position to go, okay, like, I am clearly okay with a certain amount of off the book, you know, unorthodox, uh, approaches and whatnot. But this guy is like the furthest extent of that. And this guy has alienated himself from his profession. He's alienated himself from most people. And now he's become a thorn in my side. And I regret involving myself. He's a parasite. Like you said. Yeah. Because you can't trust him as far as you can throw him. And he's, you're never going to be in control of that guy. And so yeah, like I, I, I, I, I really liked what Liddy did for the season. Having said that, he's so freaking entertaining. Oh, no, 100%. That's the thing. And it was neat to have this season that was so populated by guest stars because then you get a Peter Weller in here who's just, again,

walking around, chewing on the scenery. He's not even fully, he doesn't meet a lot of the ensemble even, but like, yeah, he's just so, so far to watch. I was, he was just mesmerizing watching him. And you're like, this guy has got to go, but like, oh, God, I'm having a black. I was sad knowing that he knew who Dexter was. I was like, damn

it's, I wanted to stay around the show but he has to go. He knows he knows way too much. It was kind of like with Doakes in season two, we're like, shit, what's going to happen? Because he knows way too much. Well, and we're past the point now where you could, because of what happens to Doakes, you're like, oh, okay, this isn't the kind of show

that's going to like find some kind of weird mover to make him stay. No, this show has made it clear that the stakes are always extremely high and dokes, Rita, and any other characters are an indication. Most who know information that they shouldn't know are not going to survive

or even characters that we love and care for, anybody can go at any which time. Yeah. And I guess before we hop into questions, the last thing I'll say is it was nice I like that the you know, the ends of each season are certainly quite different and after ending the last season on such

a somber gut punch. It was nice to end this season off with not a happy ending per se but a lot of happy ending i mean like the happy heartbreaking it's it's a brighter ending and yeah you do feel sad for dexter but you also feel the worth and the weight in what he you know it's that thing of better to have love and lost and blah blah blah blah you know in in very complex terms it's kind of that and so even though yeah it's heartbreaking at the end when she has to leave you know

she doesn't have to die you know she gets to kind of hopefully walk out and you know be on the other side of this and now live you know hopefully to her fullest extent. Dexter yes is left adrift but he also sees the family that he has he's able to pay this forward from Deb to Quinn and yeah

there's just a lot of it was nice and it didn't feel hackneyed to have an ending that gave us a little bit of closure and doesn't need to do too much setup for next time and is just kind of letting things lie and letting you exhale and breathe and kind of appreciate the tenderness

Yeah. No, the last three seasons have been very intriguing endings, to say the least. You had season three end with the wedding of Reed and Exeter, season four. Of course, the somber ending, as John just pointed out, with Rita's demise. And then this season with the heartbreaking closure and, I mean, vindicating closure rather, and heartbreaking departure of Lumen and then the birthday party. but yeah crazy to see what's going to be in store for us season six i'm not going to let go of it though deborah is going to find i i know they subvert did a great job and then we'll get to the question they seriously i'm really appreciative because one of my biggest pet peeves whenever i watch movies or

tv shows is predicting stuff but as long as i'm enjoying and i'm being entertained and it's and it's done in a satisfying way that services the story and the characters earn it yeah no no for sure then i'm good with it but to do it like this and then not and then subvert my expectations and a oh understandable she has been through an experience kind of like this with biny and also she was listening to the tapes and watching them so she's okay with what was just happening here but the law says she's not supposed to be so she's giving them a warning to get out so i'm like yes it makes let's get into questions yeah okay come up okay all right um by the way if you do ever want to uh ask us questions if you become a royal

Reject, we will shout you out and ask and you can ask us whatever you'd like. Heck yeah. All right, from Jaden Rhodes. Jaden, thank you so much for being a royal reject. For asking us a question, we appreciate you. I am curious, now that y'all have finished Season 5, do you think season 5 lives up to the first four seasons or does it take a dip in quality?

No, it's so good. No, I think it definitely continues. A lot of people say season 5 is when the show starts to fade in quality, in my opinion, I disagree. I think season five is a top three or four season. For me, and there is a lot of seasons. I think season five is a top five season for sure.

That would be my answer, but I do not. Yeah, I mean, I'm curious. I'm curious. I know people are not, I know for sure, people are not fond of the last season of the main Dexter show. Is that eight, right? I think seven or eight. Seven or eight. You're probably right.

But yeah, I'm curious, but yeah, I would agree. I would say that, I would say season five is continuing just. the the it doesn't feel like a dip uh and i'm even i don't know i'm the kind of viewer who rankings are fun but i'm not always sitting here going like oh this one's definitely better than that one or whatever i am a person i love i'm a viewer who enjoys the fact that they are different to a degree and some of them are doing different things um but yeah i thought this was just another great step along a journey filled with great steps i would say yeah probably a top three season for me as well this would be towards the top for me just because of the uniqueness of the subject matter

and the, you know, really potent way they explored it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't agree that this is a fading in quality at all. And I, yeah, I'm still looking forward to what's next. I don't know. Like, again, we're removed from the time in which this was coming out and there are revivals. So, you know, checking stuff out in hindsight is always a little bit different than at the time. But so far, I'm still very chuffed.

and I like the way that this kind of reflects off of and responds to certain things about other past seasons but also yeah, it carves out new and interesting things to confront our characters with and great new and interesting guests. Again, even, yeah, just changing up the way they use the guest stars, it's a motif of every season

is there are prominent guest stars or maybe one prominent guest star. This had a bunch, you know, and they used them. I love that your main top line guest star becomes a main character and is not, the villain. And then you have another guest star who is the villain. Johnny Lee Miller did a

terrific job. I think he's British. I totally forgot. I think he's British. Oh, that accent was convincing. Because yeah, that's one of the best, you know, American accents I have heard. Is an English actor? English actor. Yeah, there you go. He's on one of those, you know, Sherlock Holmes shows. But yeah, having him, having this rogue presence in Liddy, Peter Weller. Yeah. And even Angela who is not like as well known but has certainly done a lot of notable uh indian cult like horror films and stuff like that this was yeah this was a really i think terrific and interesting and tough piece of uh piece of art what a looming task to have to follow season four right what i did there looming looming no john that yeah not but a mumpch um yeah this was look

Is it season four? No, but it's still a fantastic addition to the... Yeah, they're different. They're doing different things. They're definitely, but I like that each season tackles different themes and explores different things with Dexter and gives us fascinating villains to say the least.

So I think this season is terrific. I would like, if I had a, you know, as I always like to point out, a gun to my head and you told me right now I've got to give you a ranking. I'd say give me a little bit of time and I'll think about it, but this would definitely, it'd be right up there for sure. It's really hard to rank them, honestly. Four is definitely one for me.

I'll say that. For this season or season four would be at the top, I think. This was amazing. I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of this season in terms of quality of TV that I like to watch. It's so hard. It's like, I want to just, I just want to, put like multiple I just want to put multiples into

one slot you know it's like I want to put five and four at the top I want to put three and one in number two and I want to put two at third place because two I really like still I love two but two would definitely be in my in my lower tier even though it's phenomenal it's the one that if I have to move something down I'm like yeah

you know I can move two down but we want justice for jokes yeah I mean that stuff was great like I've loved it also Lila was amazing I love all the shirtless scenes and last thing before the next question, I do like the debate about whether you know, that whole

thing that Chase brings up about like, ah, you know, you can't fix one, you know, mistake or piece of trauma by doing something else and, you know, you can't replace it. Yeah, and then Dexter coming around and like, that's what we do all the time. You know, and while I don't think that his grief

over Rita is solved by this, it does kind of it does at least get into conversation with that because Rita, while she might not have had the exact experience that Lumen did, certainly went through a lot of gnarly abuse. And so, like, and obviously there's the similarity of how they look. So I think there is a good amount of like, yeah, there is, this doesn't completely, you know,

leave Dexter at peace with what happened to Rita. But I think in a way, he is able to at least converse with that trauma through what he's done here with Lumen. And I think that's another just interesting thing. Well, he saved a woman in need who needed, uh, you know, and at the time where he could not do that. We've talked about that where he couldn't do that. Well, he helped to power her to create her own closure.

I mean, they work together, but it goes from him doing it to her, to him giving her the tools. Yeah, for sure, because Rita was not in a position to save herself at that time in a sadistic, awful human being. Well, and even she does, though, like Rita, as time goes by. No, we saw her girl as fine and was no longer a pushover, but could she, was she in a position to physically handle someone like the Trinity. I don't know if Dexter had trained her yet to be in that position. No, no. Yeah, she didn't have the mentorship because she didn't know the real day. Not yet.

I think she could have gotten to a place yet. First, she was capable of it, no doubt. Maybe. Rita, it's Rita, dude. We saw what Rita became. The spine that she grew. Come on, man, Rita would have. If Dexter would have taken her under a wing, although I don't know if she would have stayed around, if Dexter would have been honest about the

turkess. I don't know if Rita going under his wing is even a thing that would have been possible. I don't know. Well, that's what I'm saying. I said if if she would have found out about the dark passenger I don't I don't know I don't know if she would have stayed for that I don't I don't think so either but well we'll go to an alternate universal that did happen and she killed the Trinity all right thank you for the question we appreciate you hunter Preston thanks for chiming in how do you guys feel about deborah nearly finding out about dexter do you think it was a bad choice to have her step away instead of finding out or do you

think the show now has made a potential reveal more interesting and engaging. I think that was much more fascinating the way they did it, just because the way they were hinting at it so many times, I thought it was coming. It looked, it seemed very predictable as I continuously kept calling out. But I think, like, because she had listened to the tapes, she had already been through an experience like this with Biny, not like to the full extent, but just a sadistic, evil person, like doing awful things and, you know, tying her up and all that and she'd been through a traumatic experience like Lumen so she understood like the the situation but having her not uh having her literally be five to 10 feet within Dexter and and not having

I think really it was subverting your expectations in a satisfying way but knowing that it's still out there and it's I still feel it's going to happen and say she has to find out it's they're hinting at it too much for it to not all right I'm I know this will be this will be one of the great debates of our viewership because again you were often right with these no i'm not always i'm not always right but you're not always i'm saying you're often on the right track and i could see this being in conversation but part of me just doesn't necessarily believe that deb would be able to cope with that it would no it would be it would definitely should be very distraught because we know when she is very close to someone i i a biny i a queen or

or whatever, her dad, when people lie to her, she wears her heart on her sleeve. She takes it very personally when people she cares for, lie to her. Yeah, trust is huge. Yeah, so that is going to be one of my, if it happens, and she's such an incredible actress, Jennifer Carpenter, right?

She is one of the most provocative actresses I've ever seen when it comes to emotionally being experienced. and I love just what the verbal expressions that she makes and the the way she narrates as well with her emoting. I would be so fascinated to see how she would react to seeing that texter, seeing that she, her brother this entire time had this dark passenger and is this vigilante and finding this out for the first time. I think Jennifer Carpenter is such an incredible actress that we as the audience i'm sure many of you've already seen the show so you already know if you have but at least for john and i for first time viewers like it would definitely be

quite an experience to see that but if it never happens i mean i'd be okay with that if it's as long as the the storyline is as you know done in a you know an interesting way that progresses the characters and all and the plot line and all that but i just think it has to happen but what about you yeah i i could imagine people having that was one moment I imagined a lot of people would have differing feelings on because I think you could make the argument very easily that Deb is too good a cop to let them go and and you know there's so much riding on this the same time I do agree with you I feel like because and they make a point of this in the late you know stage of the game there in episode 11 or 12 where she's watching the tapes again and seeing that someone's off camera giving instructions and Dexter's like you don't need to keep watching these, she's like, no, I do. And so, like, I feel like, because of the unique nature of this, I bought it, and I do, I enjoyed, you know, granted, if that sheet hadn't been up, the whole thing would have been different. So, like, you know, there's a certain amount of, I guess, suspension of disbelief you must rely on in a scene like that, especially

because it's bodies right there. But at the same time, you know, the problem with being a cop, it seems, and certainly we've experienced through Deborah and other characters, is that there's a limit to what the law can provide and uh you know on the book above the board and uh yeah i really like the staging of that scene i really like the tension of that moment and her basically saying hey look i i know you this you must be number 13 and you know i am going to have to call this in but you know ultimately drawing it out until you get to that ultimate conclusion of you better it would be wise to be gone by the time i you know do and yeah dexter doesn't say a word but you're watching everybody sort of calculate in the moment

and yeah, you're in her POV and you can see through this tarp, this sheet of plastic and even she fires that warning shot. Like it's just, yeah, the whole tension of it was nice because it still speaks it nicely illustrates both you know, all the stuff with Dexter but also

that the, you know, Deb and the rest of the PD are competent and they're good detectives and they're able to, you know, again be in this race together and I like the stuff with like, you know, her and Quinn you know, which couple's going to get to him first? It's going to be the vigilantes or it's going to be us and uh and yeah ultimately given the circumstances again it's one of those crimes that you're just like yeah not a lot of sympathy and not a lot of

hope for rehabilitation and you know there are calm conversations i suppose we could have about it but yeah when you're you know when you've seen what deb is seen and as to your point been through what deb has been through this seems like a rare opportunity where at least for her she can know like well this isn't gonna you know the the barrel the barrel killers at all have been taken care of and yeah we're gonna need to find some way to pay that off on the record but knowing that it's done and also knowing that you know the unique circumstances that at least the you know main person behind this which to her is number 13 to us we know is kind of a blend um but yeah i thought that was i really loved that scene i thought it was great scene and it came back a little bit too with her conversation earlier with Dexter in the season about and just what she was going through in regards to i made a weird comment where i said it was kind of dehumanizing her and i didn't mean that i just mean like a slight dark passenger coming out on you know what's not with with with deb when when she killed you know those the the two what were those two guys in the club or

whatever or whatever or when she killed one the guys who was macheting and she didn't feel any remorse about it and yeah and i was like i totally understand where she's coming from and where she's feeling but then dexter also had the conversation with her hey not everyone deserves to but not everyone deserves to live and i feel like that conversation came back in that moment right there yeah totally you're like this is a person you know is not going to probably change and is not sorry and has built this empire you know being this narcissist chameleon and you know i love that Yeah, to his credit, you know, all the way down, Johnny Lee Miller is just spouting off different, you know, screeds of analysis and emotional philosophy and trying to manipulate until the very, very end. Yeah.

Yeah, I got bought that in the moment that, yeah, some people, I could see where the conversation might have gone because it's like, oh, yeah, you know, we don't get to be the ones who decide who lives or dies or whatever. But some people don't deserve to live and have proven that well beyond the point of return. And Jordan Chase is one of those people. For sure. And here lies the last thing before we get to our next question. What happens if you allow someone like that to live? We saw what happened when you allowed the Trinity for selfish reasons and such. It would allow someone like that who takes life to live?

There's ramifications and consequences. Yeah. And in that moment, she knows, like, yeah, this is way better than chasing you through the system in a way. You know, and yeah. It might not be ethical. completely, but you can see how, yeah, you can see how in this

circumstance, it's, it's, it's, it's, I feel like, if they're going to do a scene like this, these are the circumstances that I think make the most sense to do it under, uh, because yeah, there are a lot of times you could have played a card like this on a show like this and I think this is the time that sells

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You guys are finally done with season five. What did you think about the Lumen story arc? Do you wish she stayed as a longer character? Do you think this is a good ending for her? Janizio, Varbizio? You know, I think it's a little bit of both. You know, it's bittersweet because you do like her and Dexter together, but at least right now, and, you know,

this is going to germinate in my brain as, you know, the days intervene, and I get time to run. reflect but but yeah uh as much as you don't want it to happen and as much as the tenderness between dexter and lumen has been really lovely and as much as they are two people who are kind of in severe trauma and grief coming back into themselves you do kind of i i do kind of understand the nature of this being sort of a stepstone in a sense a very very very significant one a very meaningful one as sort of cornerstone in a way but also something that yeah is more of a transition because you know lumen is healing or at least uh growing past something that now enables you know

you get the sense that this closure now allows her to kind of reconvene with the rest of her life uh you know and yeah this is not the life for her and so i bought what you know it's in the last couple moments of the episode and even whilst watching it, I was like, how are we going to do this? But at the same time, I did believe what they chose there. Just like, it's over and, you know, we've seen it to completion and you saw them on the

boat and they had this really lovely send-off and they're riding off into the sunset and they fall asleep together. And now it's a new day and now life begins anew in a way, at least for Lumen it does. And yeah, I really bought the pain of Dexter not

wanting her to leave because, you know, she's been such a raw and emotional that moment when he threw the the plate and the camera angle that they did I'm like oh my god I felt that so much totally and I think that you know you really

yeah like I get how he as much as he was you know sort of the mentor in a lot of respects it's like he needs this too and he needs her you know to give him this sense of purpose and to feel like he is taking control over something that he had no control over at the end of season four

you know and so yeah but he did part of me was wondering you know before those moments whether or not

he would somehow persist but I just I guess I never really expected it and two I mean yeah if we're teeing up season six

and the seasons are semi-eposotic it does make sense to I think it made sense contextually in the story and functionally for the fact

that I know we have to kind of create the new circumstances and introduce the new characters that will mark season six so yeah i i thought that as a complete story arc this was actually pretty graceful for her and again

where you see her start at um you know this this this frail and covered in muck you know and just this this you know traumatized individual then you know going into a more sort of uneasy but settled state and then you know wanting to be more involved with taking back the control and and you know took it and yeah and really you know closing this loop and really, you know, showing the people responsible, you know, a taste of their own medicine, all that stuff. And then, yeah, her opening up to Dexter, her opening up to him both emotionally and then physically, I just thought, yeah, there was so many really lovely, tender moments and it brought a lot of tenderness out of Dexter. And this is, you know, arguably a lot of

harsh and somber emotions for him, but an emotional season for Dexter, most certainly. And, yeah, I really liked her story. Different set of circumstances, but I don't care if it's recency bias. I would venture to say badass female character type of transformation I would compare to Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley. The only two, the only two strong females in Hollywood history. How about Buffy, the Vampire Slayer? Also Buffy is good. Yeah, so I would say it's really up there.

No, seeing someone who is going through a really traumatic thing, someone who's frail as you just pointed out, and seeing her like literally become really, badass but at the same point you see a formidable yeah formidable without it being like silly no for sure you buy it you buy the transformation

or too much of like a pulp fantasy yeah absolutely even though there is pulp and there is fantasy and I talked about subverting expectations when we got to the whole thing with Deborah and not getting the reveal of Dexter which I thought was done great I literally thought we were going to end on the shot where they were on the boat and they're like kind of free of no more of these guys

and they've kind of completed the mission at hand and now they're gonna ride off into the sunset, right? And that's where you would literally have your ending but then they're like, now we're gonna do Lord of the Rings Return at the King, right? And we'll have some extra endings here.

I appreciate it. No, no. Because you want it to end there. Yeah, which is understandable. And then when I'm hearing her side of it and having perspective, of course, yeah, this is not the life for her. And of course, nobody, like, Dexter didn't

choose this life it chose him right he had the whole thing happened him with his mom and was born in blood right it's like they were this was thrust upon each of them yeah of course of course yeah by outside circumstances but this is way she was way more formed of an individual when that happened yeah whereas he was a young child and where yeah he was just for me yeah yeah and the fact of what she said like she felt nothing you know the as she was sleeping and way or attempting to sleep as she couldn't sleep. I'm like, I get it. This is just not the life for you. Like, you're not going to just sit at home and singing kumbaya while he's out doing his dark passenger thing every night. So I understood where they were coming from about that. And Dexter really does love her. And you

could feel that raw, tender emotion as he threw the plate. But I think that's also what love is. If you really do love someone, as hard as it is, as emotional as it is, as hard as it is, you have to know when it's time to let go, too, even when you don't want to. sacrifice that's part of sacrificing and it's part of of loving another is when to sacrifice that love and unfortunately camber dexter a second time just in a different kind of way a different heartbreak yeah but but it is sort of like uh yeah it's heartbreaking individually but now she does get to live on of course of course but he gave her something beautiful to live for now after such a horrifying and uh traumatic event well and yeah he literally gave her the tool

to kind of create her own closure, you know, that he's involved with. And a new path. Yeah, and I guess the last thing I'll say on this is, like, I do get why this is such a, you know, resonant season to a lot of people, because this is kind of the fantasy that you imagine when you think of, you know, the types of villains we dealt with in this particular season. Like, this is whatever, a lot most people, I think, want to wish could happen, you know. It's like inglorious bastards. That's how us Jews wish it, it would have.

ended. Yes, but with a less pulp, you know, exploitation movie flavor and a more, you know, sort of delicate handling. You know, again, I think this could have gone too far into pulp, you know, territory. And I think... It handled it with TLC.

Like, I can imagine this season being tough for certain people to watch, but also extremely cathartic because this is the kind of closure that people in this position probably dream about and most never get. So, you know, in a weird way, You know, there's all sorts of debate about when and how to depict this kind of, you know, harshness, this kind of assault. And oftentimes it has argued that you don't need to. And I can understand sort of a function for this for people because, yeah, this does allow certain viewers. And again, not everyone's going to be if they've had these experiences ready to confront something like this. You got to be in the mood. You got to be in the right headspace. But if, you know, if you are both of some of these experiences.

and in that right headspace I could see how this might be very moving and very cathartic to see yeah somebody this character get to go out into the world off into the sunrise live the rest of her life now I would also venture to say this is one of the most ambitious seasons no doubt because of the things you are tackling in this season that it must have been very it must have been a little bit scary just to see like okay we really got to handle this with as I just said with team ELC and because this can go wrong in so many different ways if we don't handle this properly. So I just think they did pointing. I want to just point out how great of a job that I think they did with the subject at hand. So it's really great. Yeah, it's a nice job. Thank you so much. Emma, we appreciate you.

Please keep giving us questions. We love you. Vampire Toad. Thank you for chiming in. I'd love to hear how and if they resonated with you and what you think of them. When I first heard the line, quote, don't be sorry your darkness is gone. I'll carry it for you. Always.

I'll keep it with mine. It hit me deep. I've been in that exact spot many a time. Also, quote, they make it look so easy connecting with another human being. It's like no one told them it's the hardest thing in the world. This to me is one of the most overtly neurodivergent lines in the series. The utter confusion watching people ease into simple connection while you. you sit and think how right yeah yeah absolutely i mean yeah go ahead no like i i i love the dexter

head space certainly and yeah a character like him is uniquely poised and and yeah like you know not all of us have this experience but certainly if you're somebody who people confide in and who people trust and and if you've ever had to help anybody through a tough situation you know you are sharing and helping to kind of ease the load of other people's darkness and you know some people kind of some people reach out to you when they're having you know you have certain friends perhaps even that that'll commonly reach out when times are hard because you know it is a yeah a unique bond to share with somebody in that you know if you can help alleviate some of their darkness even though that exchange isn't always even you know certainly dexter is capable of bearing that darkness and yeah

that was a beautiful moment that was a real uh admission of love i thought you know this this idea that yeah, you shouldn't be sorry. The darkness is gone and we don't get to be together. You should be glad because you're free of this. Like, and even though Dexter certainly is in his element with his darkness in a lot of ways, you know,

it's also a troubling thing to various degrees and something that, yeah, if he was free of, might make for a much easier life. So, yeah, and even though, yeah, we're not all living a Dexter lifestyle, this was definitely a very resonant line. And then the other one connecting,

I like this take that. I mean, you know, Dexter has a lot of sort of neurodivergences, I suppose you could say. And, you know, I'm not the most neurodivergent person, but I'm certainly somewhat of a neurodivergent person. And even, you know, sometimes I'm very good in social environments and sometimes I feel exactly like this, you know, that you are always good. Sometimes I don't always feel very good at it. And yeah, sometimes just being at ease and, you know, free flowing with people is is a lot harder than it seems. like it would be I think you get in your own head my friend don't dexter yourself okay but we all do

this so yeah these were great yeah I love these I love there were a lot of great dialogue a great scene I think I well not I think I know I agree with John I was fully a lot of words always have subtext in them right so when it comes to the don't be sorry your darkness gone I'll carry it for you always and I'll keep it with mine that is such an admission of love no doubt and also this is always yeah yeah and for sure and always you will be a part of me. And I'm so glad that you are free. Did he get his bloodslide?

Oh my God! Does he not have a bloodslide from freaking Jordan Chase? Oh, that's a good question. Wait, did we even see him do the cut? Didn't do the cut? I don't think. I can't remember. Well, he said it's all yours, right? To Lumen, so... I mean, I'm sure he could have grabbed it quickly, but you know...

But I think also, too, these lines, the don't be sorry, your darkness got on care for you. It really shows the growth of the character of Dexter and how much humanity has like progressed throughout the series like it's not that he wasn't a human being when we started the show it's just we've we've seen him just take a us an interesting path from the social awkward person that we started with to have it starting a family with rita and you know having surrogate kids rather like becoming their surrogate father rather and with astor and cody and

how they humanized him and changed him and he's grown and evolved. And now what he's done for Lumen and also what Lumen has done for him after the traumatic event of Rida. And I think this line just speaks so much even more than the love and that he'll always hold what they had will always be in his heart. There's just so much more like you can add subtext to it. So I think that that's how I would say resonated with me. When it comes to how do we connect with other human beings for sure, there's so many times. And I've done that, like, it's not easy being with another person because there's so many things that we do that can, at least for me, like, I can be annoying at times, just whether it's my OCD being clean at home, whether it's it. But also, I can be very charming and whatnot.

There's strengths and there's weaknesses, but that's another thing where I always talk about growing and evolving. But, yeah, I would say that in regards to Dexter, he's got the dark passenger. so it makes it for him a slight bit more complicated when he's looking at other people and comparing, I would say, I understand. Well, it's a dark passenger, but it's also his feeling like he doesn't have any normal array of human emotion.

Yeah, no, I get that, but I'm just taking it for what it is that I get why he's making the comparison as he's just gone through what he went through with Rita and with Lumen, but he's looking at other people and he's playing the contrast game with I've, which I've played 10,000 times

whenever I've seen couples and say, how do they do this? What can I be taught? How do I do this? And I think for Dexter, it's like, dude, you deserve love. You really do, especially after everything you've been through. And also that you are this great figure

who comes down here to take out the evil in this world. So appreciative of you. But you're a special kind of human being where you've got that dark passenger. It's a very complicated issue. So that's why I think, like, with what happened with Lumen that's why

I wanted things to really work out but I understand again from her perspective why things couldn't but that she saw the real Dexter and I don't know if that's ever going to happen now maybe he's just cursed and not until this life vanishes in terms of the dark passenger

maybe he's not meant to have that love because you see the ramifications and the consequences as I said earlier of what happens with that Rita in the Trinity so I hope everything works out for Dexter I know he got a family out of it of course

when it comes to yeah and Harrison as well but yeah I really feel for Dexter but he still has those human emotions like having this dark passenger he knows how to balance it out at this point too I mean he's good at blending in like a person who could connect with other people

He's grown a lot But it is hard like you know And it's hard to be at ease in situations with other people and not be, you know, I know from my experience not be self-conscious or not be constantly kind of judging yourself or, you know, just preoccupied

or you don't feel like you're in the right mood. There's so many things. It's weird. It's like you, I, you know, certainly have experienced moments where connecting is effortless, but also I've experienced tons of moments where I feel like a low, I feel, you know, like lonely around a bunch of other people because I don't feel like I'm

getting on the groove or connecting in the right way or just some kind of barrier that I can't quite see or describe as, you know, blocking me from doing so. So, yeah, a lot of good, some good resonant line pulls here for sure. Absolutely. No, there's definitely some moments that go extra deep in this season for sure. So thank you so much, Vampire Toad.

And for our final question, we also had some other questions after this, but unfortunately, we don't have time. So we're going to end on this one. All right, from Jay Rushden. What up, Jay, question. When Dexter blows out the candle and it's son's cake what do you think dexter was wishing for in that moment for me and this is just my interpretation i was kind of feeling like he wanted his dark passenger to just vanish so he could

kind of live a normal life and maybe i know not maybe be with lumen in that moment but just go have normal circumstances rather not everything be so complicated that's how i interpreted it in that moment i have to probably think a little bit harder but that's where i was because he was surveying everyone and being observant to all the couples and then mentioning that as the line we just talked about, they make it look so easy connecting with another human being. So I do hope he takes the glass out full approach where he does at least appreciate what he does have with Harrison and Cody and Aster and the support system he does have with the incredible and his sister Deb and all the other officer and his family unit that he has at the department,

Vince and everyone else there, Angel. So I really do hope, like, because I think when we're in a time of healing and just, when we just need to get through, having a support system is so important, in my opinion. It's gotten me through some really dark times. So I really hope he takes that approach of just being a glass half full, then a glass half empty type of guy. So that's how I interpreted, John. What was your interpretation of what he was wishing for? I think in that moment he would have wished

for Harrison to grow up being a normal kid to live a normal life I like that I think that's probably what he That's to me What I would imagine I could see that

About in that moment I could see that As a wish Do you have a heart out? Um I was gonna say If you have time We could just speed run

These last questions Because they are you know They are juicy We could do it really quick We're gonna do a couple more guys Just a couple speed runners Just because you know Am I?

Part two. What do you think about how they handled Dexter after Rita's death? Anything You Wish They Did Different. I think that the start of the season with him, I think the first two episodes kind of centering around his grief and his unique experience of that grief was an interesting thing. Her death certainly looms over the season. It didn't leave me in the moment.

It didn't leave me in the moment feeling like anything was missed, although I missed Julie Benz, obviously. And I know that she, I think, would have wanted to continue on the show. but yeah i i liked that they made this whole season kind of uh both first off him trying to figure out how to deal with the grief in his own unique way and then him yeah trying to kind of write this wrong as a means of i don't know kind of yeah creating some semblance of at least counterweight you know yeah me being selfish because i want to see more julie bends i get why they didn't do it but I would have loved if they could have done some stuff

where in his subconscious, I like that they did at least show like the first date and what happened with her. I thought that stuff was great and everything, how they handled aside from that, really done well because you really do feel how much this is afflicted and affected him throughout the season and then how Lumen is able to help him

not get through it, but just really help him heal through this tender set of events. But through the hairy subconscious thing that happens, you could head a couple times where you just had a hatter there and then he, maybe the theme is letting go. And then he just gets to a point where now with Lumen or by the end of it, he just has to, he says in his subconscious, and he's switching back and forth between Rita and Terry, I just, I have to let you go. It's, it's that time. I'm he, I will never let you

go. You'll always be here, but it's, it's time to, to let go now. I'm personally pleased we didn't get a read of apparition or anything like that. I think Harry is good enough, and I like the way they used Harry here. Agree with me, John. I think to having that episode towards the start of the season where you see how they met was a really nice send-off and you see the early moments

when things before all this, I think ending every, giving us a send-off with everything that happened before when things were still innocent, I think was kind of an interesting call there. I'm just saying it would have been interesting if they did them. I'm not saying it would have worked, but... Yeah, no, I could see it being an interesting thing. Yeah. Thank you for

the question we appreciate it vampire toad got a couple from you here uh the first one because we've already touched on this i'll go kind of in reverse order i can't not mention deb letting him go in some way she has her own sense of justice that lies beyond the law sometimes do you think she made the right choice we've already kind of talked about this but i do like you know your your point here that yeah she does she is a good cop and she's a dedicated cop but she has seen instances where the law fails and this is yeah she's seen the depth of depravity here so i think in that moment she's able to go these people push to the extreme are probably not evil and once this is done they're probably going to be done and also to the fact that she was not the person who took out biny

so if she could have done something about it i'm sure she would have loved to so the fact that people are getting vindication and getting a cathartic release for doing these things it probably feels vindicating for her as well yeah so yeah it's understandable where she's coming from and then finally uh now that you've finished this particular season it's all also from Vampire Toad, has your perspective on Dexter's nature change? No. For me, it really cements the fact that Dexter had a chance to be a more normal functioning member of society.

He has the capacity, but was groomed to become a killer from so young that the damage is done. Yeah, no, it has not changed. I'm, look, I would love for Dexter to live a normal life and to find happiness. He does have that with Coder, Coder, with Cote, with Aster, and I combined Cody and Aster. Coder. With Cody and Astor and with Harrison. So, and I love that they really humanize him and they bring him so much love and happiness. He had that for a short period of time here with Lumen. He had that for a short period of time with Rita. And look, I would love nothing more than for him to have that with another individual. Nothing would make me happier for Dexter. I don't know if that's pot. I think Harry has made that quite apparent many, many, many times. You don't know. get to people like dark passengers don't get to people who do this line of work don't get to have happy endings like that it just is is not possible doesn't mean it can happen but or have that normal life rather so i would love for that to happen but to the to the beginning of your

question is has my perspective on dexter's nature change no i'm i'm so happy with what he does there's a lot of trash in this world and the fact that someone wants to throw it away on days that are not just Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, and as well as Saturday and Sunday, makes me appreciative that there are people like Dexter and the system doesn't always work, right? So, unfortunately, granted, I'm not always the biggest fan of vigilantism, but if somebody needs to do something like this, like I'm not opposed to it, right, if the system is not working. So, no, I'm so appreciative of someone like Dexter. I mean, my perspective, I think Dexter's nature is an interesting question mark always. It's kind of an open conversation to me. It's always sliding around a little bit. And I think in this season, I think it was this season, right? You get that moment from Harry where he comes in and he's like, you did something like purely out of concern for somebody else and because you wanted to protect them. And I didn't know you had that in you. I might have changed my entire approach if I knew that was in there. So I think Dexter's nature. and nurture are always kind of developing or revealing new shades and elements

depending on what the stimulus is. It's weird. It's like I think it's a debate always. You know, could he have turned out different if Harry hadn't chosen this exact approach? Maybe. And I don't have like a full on answer. But I do kind of agree with you

that like Dexter had a chance to be something different if Harry had guided him a different direction. So like him being a killer is something where I feel like, yes, the damage is probably largely done, as you put it. But at the same time, I don't fully imagine that he could never give it up, but I think that would be very difficult. I think, yeah, there's a lot in his nature that has persisted since the original. But I think his emotional display and journey across all these seasons and what he discovers about himself. And yeah, I feel like he's not maybe devoid of

emotion he just presents it and experiences it very differently um but yeah i think his nature is always an interesting question how he presented emotion when lumen was telling him that she couldn't live this life any longer yeah yeah exactly he's got it i think his nature is it ever developing ever sort of active conversation anyways guys that was season five episodes 11 and 12 and just season five as well let us know in the comments what you thought of this season what is your ranking without spoilers of course are you looking forward to us doing season six we can't wait

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