The Reel Rejects - Did Peacemaker Season 2 Tease Darkseid As The Main DCU Villain?! (Season 2 Finale)

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

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It's really sad before. All right, all right. And then I activate a switch. Hit the go live button, so we gotta act like we're happy to be alive. All right, here we go. One and a two and a three. We're going. Bill Burr's an American hero.

Oh, Bill Burr. I think we should have a Saudi comic festival every single weekend. I know. Oh, what? We're alive? It's weird how that's becoming. mean it's such a talk no what do you mean and they go on safe talk shows so that way they can't get too hard pressed yes they go talk to the people who they know are going to softball on it's really good

wait are we live we are live oh we are live we're so live hello there citizens of the reject nation welcome to the real rejects podcast coy is out of town right now he's He has at New York Comic-Con doing some fancy panels. And I decided, let's just have John step in. Additionally, I wanted to make John's life even more difficult. I forgot to ask for another person to be here to handle the tech side. No, this is going to be fun. It's going to be fun.

I'm going to get to know what Cory Coleman goes through every single day. John's the real MVP right now. He's the real hero. I want to see how it likes subconscious you're cutting back and fourth has become it comes and go i will not fully mess with you in the beginning i appreciate i'll let you get comfortable and then i will mess with you thank you uh so we have some stories we want to get into obviously last night was the peacemaker season two finale so there will be spoilers for peacemaker season two admittedly there was a part of me that was a bit

relieved to see that we were not alone oh like we do our reviews yeah and then we don't know what people are saying so it was like oh huh wasn't as off base as i thought we might have been the way a lot of the audience was going to get a storm of hate this time but apparently not not that makes me happy i'd rather i'd rather this show be universally loved that i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah i think uh you know we would all it's weird it's just a good confirmation we're not insane or we're not like too grouchy or jaded or something like that i think is the best part of that Like if other people were like, yeah, you know, I had some issues too. You're like, oh, good.

I'm not just a curmudgeon. It's a weird sense of relief when you do something like this. Right? Yeah. I would love to be, I guess, like, Cosmonaut Variety Hour or Red Letter Media. Hell, yeah. To the point where you genuinely just give no shit about what the audience thinks of your opinion.

Yeah. So the thing that helps me be in that state of my. mind is choosing which videos to intentionally not look at comments on so like I wasn't I didn't read any of the comments or any of peacemaker season two because I was concerned that it would affect my honesty since we're going to be covering a whole series of television I didn't want like oh crap we got I saw these comments about us on the prior video now I don't want to factor that in mind when we're watching it yeah justing to that and and yeah not absorbing the show itself yeah exactly I do wish Roxy was here for this one. I feel like she'd be such a fantastic contribution for this discussion.

Three camera. Three camera time. And, um, you know, there's other stories that we want to get into, like Predator. I think we want to kind of talk about Predator Badlands. What are you want to talk about today, John? Oh my goodness. Gracious me. There's like stories I pulled up, but we really care to talk about a lot of them. We want to get to the meat and potatoes are the real thing that you guys are clicking on this video for. I mean, you know, Predator Badlands. It's, it's an interesting thing to talk about. Yeah. Like, I'm not, you know, in a panic. I don't have like some real angry thing to say about it. TMNT, two, AI controversy. It's one of those things we love to see it. We can like mine conversation from it for sure. There's something to discuss, but do we feel

strongly about any of these things? I feel like peacemaker's going to be the strongest feeling of the week. Yeah. We're just going to feel this one out today, people. This is a feeling day. Please, if you are here, if you could leave a like on the video, I say if, I know you're more than incapable please leave a like on this video thank you to all who do contribute to our super chats and stream labs great way to support the channel we never end a stream until we go through every single one of them and since it's john and i odds of us staying here longer than planned pretty likely yeah get ready get ready to not stay on track today but it's good i'm excited We got a lot to talk about.

People seem excited in the chat, too. All right. Well, I say we kick it off. But before we do. But before we do, how are you feeling? I'm feeling pretty good. I'm feeling all right today. Did you get any sleep?

I know we were here both pretty late last night. That's some sleep. Yeah, you know, I didn't not like wake up a few times and, you know, kind of move around a bit. But yeah, I feel okay. Sleep-wise, got some, you know, time with the dog in this morning which is nice be outside in the sunlight you didn't call your girlfriend that man you know until until she does something truly extraordinary you're on this rung of the ladder uh no uh yeah you know i got to you know start the day in the outdoors and then you know

pull a few things together to get ready for this and then um pop over here set things up you know saw andrew for a brief second it's been pretty good start to the day it's a good start to the day it's a good start to the day. I'm feeling a little bit of pressure just to live up to coy. Genuinely. Is that what you're feeling? You know, well, it's, you know, it's a movie news, you know, segments. You want to feel like he brought in, like, you know, your big brain today. What do you think I read, though, an entire Salvation comic last time? So I don't have to do a damn thing today. No, not that. It's, it's, I understand that pressure that you're talking about. Because he is the walking

encyclopedia of comics. So if there's something that I can be here as more of the casual comic. Like, I read weekly, but I'm not Mr. Religious. I read 70 comics a day wherever the hell metric coy has in mind for himself. And the pressure can be on, and so the most we can just do is be very honest about how we're thinking and

feeling. But I did read the entire Salvation comic run last night. Hell yeah. And I really enjoyed it. I thought it was really good. I thought it was a lot of fun. So you don't need to fix it. Fix it? What do you mean fix it? When I was looking at it online, I found a couple YouTube videos.

was called like fixing the salvation run it's a bit it's a bit rushed and maybe lacks some depth and it kind of ends a little abruptly but it i i don't really know what i think i think it's canon uh to me i sort of just since i just dove right into it i sort of just viewed it like when you watch an extended episode of what if yeah that's how it sort of felt to me sure so uh let's go into it now i'm curious to know what you guys thought about the peacemaker season two finale if you guys can leave your, I say if, I command you to leave, you will leave your thoughts. Leave your thoughts in chat amongst yourselves. And I, but down, I'm going to ask, let's ask this. What did you guys rate it out of 10? I really want to know what our specific viewers who

come here every week thought about the finale. Absolutely. Because I'm seeing a lot of divisiveness on every social media platform. It's pretty much like what I was feeling very strongly about with episode seven is now rippled all over through episode eight. Uh-oh. Midmaker says Brian Sillett. Yeah, people really, uh, but I was more, it was strange because when I was looking online, I was seeing a lot of people actually disappointed because of the amount of hype

that it got, like how we were making fun of the whole cameo teas. And in the vast majority, like we didn't even really touch it on our 40-minute discussion. We didn't even talk about why this episode was a little, why the season was disappointing. Or not, that was a disappointing for me. I think there's disappointments,

why there was more disappointments that I would have liked or less impact than I would have liked. It didn't come down to cameos at all. It came down to just storytelling. Oh, I like, I don't actually care about this stuff. Honestly, like, it's fun, but like it's more about, is the show nailing it? And I know that everyone here has the full capability to nail it.

And that's, I think, how I would describe my, any issue I have with the season. It all comes down to that. I'm like, there's so much good stuff here. There's so many great ideas. And somebody in the chat here just said, what was the comment? It was like, damn, I lost it. Either way, it's that, yeah, it feels a little bit all over the place and disjointed from itself. And there's so much beautiful work that I don't get to, like, fully absorb the impact of because of how everything is,

sort of oddly distributed. And it's weird, because I know how vigorous and, you know, excited James Gunn is about his projects and about writing and stuff like that. But this is the one, this is like a really polished thing that feels like it was made kind of haphazardly or like, I don't know why. This is just a vibe I get. It feels like there was a bunch going on and also this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it looks really good and it feels like it should be smoother because it's presented in a smooth packaging, but it also... But life isn't smooth, John. But life's not smooth, and this feels like an earlier draft of something that a few drafts later could be amazing, you know. There's a couple people here

who did express this to me similar sentiments in private. It's not like it's a super controversial thing to say, but just because they didn't say it publicly, I don't want to say who said these things. They brought up how James Gunn have been publicly citing that, you know, he wrote over 600 pages or something like that in the course of a year from Creature Commandos to Superman to Peacemaker's Season 2.

Out of the three, I would put Creature Commandos as my top favorite. Superman as my second and Peace Taker Season 2 is my third. I got to watch that Creature Commandos. And that's not popular, that's not a popular take, honestly. People in the chat are saying GI Robot should have been the film. G.I. Robo would have been a great finale. In the show. Yeah, yeah. He would have been great, especially for the Nazi element.

Especially for the Nazis. I'm going to get more Nazis. But the, they were saying how like it did that idea of like writing so much and maybe not having as much time to do the rewrites and the other drafts seem to kind of present itself more in peacemaker season two. And I thought about it because when you're doing an animated show, there's no room for willy-nilly improvisational takes where you could do a post-credit scene of a bunch of actors fucking around you have to be very precise when you are making an animated show so you need crisp ass writing

yeah you know because you can't just change what a bunch of people have at least frame by frame manipulated yeah like as easily yes just go back and reshoot that if you you you know have a whim and Superman similar with some limitations it's got to be PG-13 and you're dealing with a bigger budget so there's less room for let's fuck around piecemaker season two is a little bit more where you can kind of do that yeah and maybe having that free it seems like there was a lot kind of done in the editing room for peacemaker season two that's that's like that with every project but i think this one kind of showed that a little bit more than others i don't want to make this a crap on peacemaker season no there's so much great exploration of what to of what kind of the

this was hyped like a mother effort isn't it it was so hyped and James Gunn was really hyping it as the greatest fucking thing he's done

you know yeah so I think that's I think maybe that's another thing I'm trying to factor in too is was the behind the scenes

marketing over hyping it like what if you were just the average people who are not plugged into what the director is saying and all this stuff like I was bringing this up

would film speak when I did his show, that there are times where I feel like we're getting too much of James Gunn, that we're being too aware of the person who's making this stuff, and we're being too aware of everything that they're doing and thinking, then we're aware of them too much when we're watching their stuff, unless the project itself, when we should just take the project in and of itself, you know? Yeah, I think there's a, it's weird, I think there's a really good argument for that. I think it's interesting because it's the most unique, I think, version of this we've experienced so far, like a filmmaker who's like super candid and is very plugged in and both understands just how the, you know, world of the young people works, but also, yeah,

is just willing to be out here and be like, no, that theory is not true. We're like, ah, yeah, we, we did this approach for this. Like, on some level, I think that's actually kind of the best way to show that you're kind of in tune with your audience and stuff. Sure. At the same time, like I know that we've gone through so many discussions over time of like oh you know the special features and the trades and like we know so much about how this shit is made and it's poisoned our minds and how we watch stuff

and so I think there's also an argument for yeah pulling back off of that I think we should I in my ideal world James Gunn would be around and talking on things periodically and then he would like disappear for a little while and like go quiet

kind of like how album cycles work where it's like you know someone's got a new thing coming out so like okay they're talking about and they're expounding and they're getting personal and doing a track by track breakdown and then you know when it comes time to you know move on and start developing the next thing then we don't hear from them for a while and we get to miss them and then when they show back up you're like oh hey there you are cool you know whereas like if he's always around but then i don't know the DC is going to be a perpetual thing it's an interesting like sociological movie experiment i think it's very interesting like you bring up really good points

because we're in that weird age with actors, too, where they need, like, social media followings, and we need to know, we need to feel like we know them now. Yeah, we're buds. And they're all on podcasts now. And now we have a CEO, main writer, director of an entire cinematic universe who is now that equivalent for what a lot of actors are. He's on, like, podcasts all the time.

Well, they have their own podcast now. And they have their own ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, he's a hard worker, and he's very talented. I love the hell out of Superman, but I'm already starting to, I think one thing to be mindful of is, like, when are we getting a little too much of someone, though, you know? Yeah. It's easy to get sick of an actor.

We can also get sick of a director. Oh, 100%. And I'm, I think it's two James Guns credit and favor that he understands that these things need to be slightly different of tone. So Superman, you know, part of the fun of Peacemaker and Superman has been like, oh, we can do stuff with those characters on Peacemaker that we can't do in in Superman. And so, like, he has a varied enough appreciation for the different, you know, age ranges that comics can operate in and the different tones. So, like, that's good. But I do think that it's weird. I don't think he would be here doing as much as he is if he wasn't enthused about it. He seems just like a very enthusiastic creator. And that's good.

And that still, I think, very much shows in all the work I've seen recently. But I think it is maybe just a matter of like, yeah, I think it might be harmonious for everyone if he pumps the brakes a little bit and just like replenishes some of his more structural instincts. And also then we are, yeah, not always talking about James Gunn. Is that weird? Like we talks probably more about James Gunn than we do about the DC Units. universe. Yeah. Well, that's strange.

It is like he's so hand in hand with it. Yeah. And then I think partly that's because he feels like one of, not to be presumptuous for us in this room specifically. But, you know, he's one of those guys who feels like one of us, even more than like a Zach Snyder. Like, Zach Snyder's like a jacked, you know, like Jim dude in his appearance, though he is very enthusiastic.

But like James Gunn feels like a guy at the comic book shop who now has the keys to the kingdom. and so like he he's fun to have around it's weird i'm not like go away pedro pescal i don't feel that way but you know i'm not like go away man but also yeah i i can't help but think you're people in the chat have been saying like just a bit spread thin and and even though you are very enthusiastic amid that spreading like yeah maybe you shouldn't be spread as thin as you are and too not to mention the projects that he's involved with that we aren't seeing right now that he's He's not writing and directing, but is heavily involved in the development of.

Yeah. I can imagine it's hard to take a break. Yeah, because like, how could you ever? Yeah, there's constant. There's always so much more work to be done. Because he's got to look at all these scripts, too, beyond the ones he's actively working on that he will be directing. Yeah. I get anxiety.

I literally get, I get an actual, like, anxiety. reaction in my heart just thinking about that workload. It actually pops up in me more than when I think about like Kevin Hart or the rock, maybe because I can relate more with the idea of having to run multiple projects at once, whereas I feel

like the Rock and Kevin Hart have a lot of people and they've got to be like, there's a lot of decision making, but they got a lot of more creative people around them and their most creative part comes in the form of acting. Yeah. Which is usually like requires a singular focus on set and they might have to like take some I don't really know what they're fucking worth. I'm assuming

What their billionaire lifestyles like, but I have no clue what it's like. I'm sure there's a certain amount of admin of just like, yeah, either answering emails and calls or delegating tasks to people. And then you're, yeah, it's like it's a singular goal, even if you have multiple streams of revenue, you're all building the Kevin Hart or the rock brand. Whereas James Gunn, you're not building the James Gun brand. You're, you know, carrying this, you know, monolith on your back of, you know, something that is, Beyond, it's not, I think the difference is that he, it's not just up to him and his personality living or dying by itself. It's like, it's the combination of his personality with this beloved canon of stories and characters that he has to do justice to as well as be creative with. And that's, you know, a bigger, it's not like you don't have to do that when you're the rock, because then people's idea of you is something that you have to live up to also.

But like, yeah. but yeah it's it's it's a whole different story when you have this giant machine that you have to like satisfy people with and your creative self with yeah yeah like i got okay because it requires such an intense level of focus the focus is the part that i get the most anxiety about and that's the part where i feel like i i have the i i try to relate to on that like i got but it's spent a lot of hours here lately like we left i left here at 1130 knowing i had more to do at home yeah yeah when i got back home and i ate some dinner and then i was like okay because we had the stream i should probably read this salvation comic book you should probably watch terminator

salvation and it's not as good still yeah yeah yeah yeah but i'm so much potential but i'm reading i kept having to restart it because my brain is still so like from everything else going on and the different plugging around is going on that I can't even focus you have to reread the page a lot yeah yeah exactly and it's like a comic it's a comic there's pictures like it should it be this hard for me it's so late at night and I'm like how does James gunfrey can do this you know how does he hop around and zigzag and answer to all these things and then now I got to read the Batman too you know like how do you do that yeah yeah well and that's a that's a thing it's like it's the best kind of homework to do but it's also like a kind of homework to do but it's also like a kind of home homework and it's like you know your brain needs a moment because absorbing is fun it's it's that weird thing of absorbing can be fun there can also be like real world incentives to absorb but also your brain can only physically absorb so much at a time yes you know before it starts to and there's also the intensified pressure of needing to succeed so yeah movie news is hard i feel like he should have done a better job would he say your season too it's fascinating to me because there it's i do i do

I do, I feel like the thing is I do want to, and it's not important, like, nobody cares. But, like, you know, I want for my own spirit to be like, hey, tremendous work across so many of the boards. So, like, and that's continually the thing that, that's the gripe about season two. I'm just like, there's so much great here. And this could be great as a whole. You know? And I think it's kind of marvelous that, like, wow, if this is what you. look like if you're spread thin

or maybe this is just exactly how we wanted it to be and I don't get it but like you know if even if you are you know in need of a break or recharge like damn I wish my fatigued burnt out you know work looked as good as this and was as emotionally resonant in parts as this yeah

you know as he seems like a guy who probably could do a lot of things in his sleep like pretty all right if he had to well I listen to him on the Dak Shepard podcast where he was very open about his history of of drug abuse and alcoholism. Oh, wow.

And he had to go to rehab and everything. So he's been sober for a very, very long time. So he's got an addictive personality, and he has definitely thrown that into his work. So I feel like that's where the hyperfocus probably comes from. Yeah, I can see it. That's why I understand it. Anyway. Hey, I mean, I'm glad that he's psyched about comics and not about heroin or something.

Well, now that we've got in that Ambiguous Peacemaker Season 2 thought process And James Code, we're getting out of the way Salvation Let's talk about salvation. So in the Salvation comics, John, did you have a photo Just so we could show people a photo?

Give me a second, I'll get that on screen. The cover, right? Just go with the... I don't really give a shit. Just whatever you want to do, man. Cool. Keep the single on me the entire time while they're doing this.

Yeah. Oh, good. There we go. When we were in my home And the live stream camera It was just singular It was easy to just go up to the camera Oh, I do miss that

I do miss being able to do that That was a very fun thing to get to do A bit that never gets old Never Okay, so the Salvation comic book At the end of Peacemaker Season 2 Rick Flagg Has this rush character development

where he is super bad All of a sudden He is incredibly because Rick Flags, he asked Lex for a favor, then all of a sudden he's like, I am ideologically aligned with Lex Luthorne. I'm like, what? Where'd this come from? Why are you so aligned?

I get that's what's supposed to happen in the comics, but when in the show did this occur? I just saw a whole season of you hanging out with a bunch of meta-humans and saving the day. Yeah. What's going on here? Your son works with the suicide squad twice. Your number one chick is a frigging meta.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sol Gonzalez's character. Sasha Bardot is a meta. And this season ends with Chris being stranded on the planet that they named Salvation, which they tease has monsters living amongst them. Oh, no. Pretty crazy stuff, right, John? It looks very predator at the end.

Yeah, and what I know about this run, which is surely not as much as you know about this run now. but it sounds like a thing that would lend itself to being kind of predatory at some point. I actually thought of Alien versus Predator when I got later into the run.

Oh, fun. Because for a quick understanding of this comic, there's a lot of details. I won't go into the hyper extensive details. There's going to be

definitely some spoilers about the comic. I won't give away exactly how it ends though. in this Rick Flag and Amanda Waller both are ideologically aligned that metahumans are a big problem and they should all be banished so they are working together

they're not like how they are in the current DC universe where there's a divide with them they're working together they create this boom tube thing to take them to the planet and they just start dumping a shit ton of villains there the main two villains it becomes a bit of a Lord of the Flies kind of situation.

I've never read a Lord of the Flies, whatever I hear about Lord of the Flies is what it sounds like to me. You know, society forming in a vacuum on its own in an isolated place. Yeah, and tribalisms are happening. Yeah, and it becomes very savage. And there's two camps that form. One is led by Lex Luthor, who is very much about, you know, control order.

He's trying to build a way to get out of here. And then you got a chaotic one, Joker. So it's really like Joker, Lex, both rules. leading these groups and joker's just more like we're just going to stay here and inhabit and everything while lex is constantly trying to like figure out a way out so it's about alliances forming and you're watching their minds deteriorate more so i don't feel like it's really going to go there but it really stood out to me that lex is the main character of this run this salvation run lex is okay man of tomorrow so i started thinking like because man tomorrow seems like it's heavily

sending up Brainiac. Now, the big reveal that they do, and this is where I thought of Alien versus Predator, the big reveal that does come down is that we find out that this planet, similar to Alien versus Predigar, you know how they create in the movie, the Predators create the Xenomorphs just for like

a hunting ground, so the Predators can be stronger and shit. Go level up. So Apocalypse and DeSod, the Apocis planet, DeSod, one of Dark Size's main people, they cut to them. The planet of

Salvation. The planet of... Oh, yes, that's episode. Not enough screen time in Zach Snyder's movie. People know his name now. They create a planet that is meant to strengthen the parademons. So that way they fight creatures. There's creatures there that are there who kind of anticipate the return of parodemones.

They wanted the humans to rise to their ultimate, you know, brutality, strength. That way they can go there and fight and attack. And this is all... It's pretty much just a giant training ground to... to emboldened the peridemans to make them the best army they can be. Fine. Who did this all serve? Darkside.

This is all serving for Darkside. And apparently this comic is supposed to lead into something more with, I forget what event in D.C. it leads into. But yeah, it's got like a cool Christmas. I think it goes to Christmas. It's got a lot of cool stuff in it. I really enjoyed it. It's a bit rushed towards the end.

But there's a lot of ingredients there that I thought they cooked with very, very well. It sounds like a really cool what-if event. Definitely, but I believe it is an actual canon event. Well, I guess what I? It sounds like a really cool mini-series. Like something like this is like structurally way different. We're pulling in a bunch of characters to like a unique scenario, but it's not necessarily like an interdimensional reset. It's, you know, this bottle thing.

Yeah. And James Good has been saying that he's not going to adapt the Salvation Run storyline directly. Sure. I heard somewhere that the Joker versus Lex Luther stuff is not included so I'd be surprised if they did a Joker thing but that doesn't mean Lex won't be there I feel like he's got to be there and this is somehow is setting up the future of it going into I'm looking up for the exact thing here it is setting up the future of actually going into man of tomorrow and and the group checkmate in the comics is very different I didn't read any of Checkmate so I was a research

it. Checkmate is originally formed by Amanda Waller. It's kind of like an offshoot of like Task Force X. Someone liking it to like, think like Shield in a way. Sure. But James Gunn said it was always his plan to have Amanda Waller's daughter created, but for good. That's really cool. I like that a lot. Yeah, there is a different thing that they do there. Anyway, when you're introducing salvation, at first when I thought about it, I went, it might be a little far-fellar for James Gunn to start going into Darkside after all this stuff with him wanting to distance himself from the Zach Snyder stuff, kind of, you know, it seemed like at first they were trying to put up a thing of, we're good, we're buddies. But I think if you bring in Darkside,

it's just going to piss off people, right? Like, what did it just... Darkside, then Zod? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if Man of Tomorrow's Bray, Who's going to be the bigger villain? This is a chapter called Gods and Monsters. And when you talk about gods and monsters, I love the idea of using salvation as a stepping ground for that. Because there's not heroes who are banished there in the comic. In the comic, they're saying metahumans, but it's primarily... I don't know if there's any heroes, actually.

I think it's all villains that they check in with. I'm trying to think if there's like... That would make sense. That would make... It's a better plan. Yes. Keep all the good guys on Earth. Yeah.

Because why not? And a little plot twist is that Martian Manhunter is there in disguise, and he's trying to communicate with Batman. Cool. But you never hear, Batman never shows up in it. So I'm like, oh. Your villains are winning. Yeah. Braves here, two faces.

Your cat woman's shit. People like our side more. Because they banished more than just meta. Like Lex isn't a metahuman. He's just a super genius. Joker's not a metahuman He's just a crazy guy But they banish them there

But with the story that they've been setting up here I'm trying to see what James Gunn's bigger picture is here That the metahumans Are essentially all being treated like mutants Of how mutants are in the X-Men world From Marvel Comic And from Marvel Comics Which are canon to the DC universe

So Superman is That's a big part of that storyline they have a villain who like hates metahumans considers him to be the god amongst them all i started wondering what if and i'm sure i'm not the only one who had this thought i'm sure other people have this thought too what if is a twist reveal here that rick betrays lex and banishes lex too here as well because lex has proven himself to be a a major he he's at the end of the day if Rick Flagg's philosophy is these people are a danger to our world

yeah Rick is an Lex is an extreme danger or Lex has created Rift that almost destroyed the world yeah so that's why this whole fucking character shift where it's like because James Gunn is saying they have an alliance but the alliance at least storytelling wise doesn't make any fucking sense to me

you could have had such a great mirror thread with Rick Flagg coming over to Lex's side becoming hyper-prejudiced against meta-humans somehow on

our Earth one timeline and had that dissent complement Earth-X in a way leading to this despicable

plan to round them all up and to throw them into some intergalactic camp you know like the theme

is right there and I feel like if they had fleshed that out if they had finessed that you could have had a nice

thematic tie around and a tragic tragic turn for A guy who at the beginning of the season seems a little more reasonable than you might have expected in this situation. And then when he ends up there, yeah, it's just a little, I don't know, it feels like we're just missing a middle beat. It feels like we went from that one season to that next season and we missed a small season in between.

Yeah. You know, because like, you know, I mean, freaking, you know, Bordeaux gets a whole bunch of shit done for you. is clearly an asset to you and you're clearly entangled with her on a personal level and all of a sudden yeah I don't know it just seems like there are personal things

that would be interesting to explore there seems like Rick Flagg is becoming the villain he never wanted to be yeah which is interesting I like the idea if they explore it properly there's something interesting to be done there there is

yeah I need to watch Goodyrick Commandos because too like he just comes across villainous from the get from just like other than the sympathy of like his son died and I liked Rick Flagg Jr. a lot

he does just kind of read as like oh this guy's a bad guy. He's going to be a bad guy. They do not seem like the same character. Really? It really bugs me honestly. Especially because he's the fucking main character in Creature Commandos. I mean people would argue

it's like the bride but he's definitely like the kickoff point is Rick Flagg and it is not the same character nor does his experience with them factor in it all to who he is now it doesn't it's not even mentioned as a thing like they mentioned that going to whatever that city was i think at one point they mentioned it in when he's talking about hardcore in one of the earlier episodes but it's not really a characterization when but if you watch

that whole season it's like no this is a there's a whole thing he is a whole journey this guy has that's so that's always the impression i've gotten and creature commandos from the outside hearing about it seemed like a show where people were like oh this is like a surprising amount of depth for like a wacky you know pulp cartoon and uh that's i feel like kind of what you want from peacemaker too is a surprising amount of depth from a wacky pulp cartoon that's live action yeah you know and uh i don't like hearing that about it makes uh me more interested in all of this which is good and and rick is a character which is good well going back to salvation if we can yeah what if they banish super What if they do actually fall through with the plan?

They succeed and Superman and Lex are banished together. So instead of Lex and what if the man of tomorrow, the breaking down of the philosophy and the ideology, is not Joker and Lex. What if it's Lex and Superman? Oh, that would be cool. You know, and I feel like that would tie in very much with a very popular comic, Kingdom Come, which I read earlier this year. And that takes place more in the future where men. Metahumans are kind of, they're a little out of control with the way they enforce. And Superman comes out and he's like, we have to be better than what we're at now.

And it creates a lot of problems and conflict because it's very much in contrast with the way the new metahumans are. That's why when they were talking about the metahumans, I was like, I were creating like a kingdom cum situation. That's where I think I said that we were reacting to it. Yeah. I felt like it might go to that. So I think there's like a philosophical thing to be done there. If all the metahumans are there, Superman's there.

And he's mainly banished for like a bunch of terrible villains, you know. Yeah. And what is the path moving forward? I know the script does have the brainiac thing in there. And I feel, because I feel like the easy script is another, is a very cliche version of Man of Tomorrow. Lex is someone important now. Clearly, he's working with the government and controls him in some faction.

And Superman and Lex now. have to work together to save Earth against a bigger threat. That'd be cool. I want to see Brainiac. I think Brainiac would be an amazing villain for them to go up against. 100%. Thematically makes a lot of sense. The hyper-superior artificial intelligence intellect,

who's also a big physical threat for Superman. I think it makes a lot of sense. So I'm going like, how would you factor in Brainiac then if he is in Man of Tomorrow? Because he's saying that salvation does tie into Man of Tomorrow. somehow, but I don't really know what that would be. And if you are going to honor salvation to its actual core, because James Gunn does talk a lot about, we have to honor the

core of things. And salvation, the whole planet is rooted in the peridemons. And we do need a bigger bad. I don't know if we need one, but a bigger bad. Always badder. Dark side would be the ultimate bad, you know? And then we would make Snyder fans happy, but it would

actually fulfill the thing, which is a big part of comics. And even when it comes to the DC animated movies that you watched, some of the biggest ones were Justice League having averse dark side. So we still have not got, at the end of the day, we have not gotten that. So we still could be getting the dark side, Justice League buildup to it. And gods and monsters, like what, what are a metahumans place in this world and what defines a hero and what defines a villain and what do you do with power? There's a lot of consistent themes that keep coming. in here and I wouldn't be surprised if actually oh shit we are building up to dark side again

and just James Gunn's going to pull it off and hopefully ignore the voices of people being like slider should have done it I mean do you think Starcide will come in basically do you do you do you believe that could be a possibility after everything we've been discussing oh yeah I mean I think the possibility it like it has to happen and the matter is just uh James Gunn being able to hold on to the reins long enough to get there like it seems because Because, yeah, we have had these experiences with the animated movies, and because Darkside seems like a character who comes around periodically for a big event, for some kind of big sinister, you know, master plan showdown, et cetera. I mean, yeah, it seems like it is inevitable. And it seems like the kind of thing that could, if handled properly, earn James Gunn's credit among the Snyder fans.

I don't know, it seems like it has to happen and the matter is more how they orchestrate doing it and the DCU as I see it right now is in kind of an interesting place because we have some degree of a roadmap. Clearly James Gunn is open about when that changes

and we do have you know, we've got Superman peacemakers happen if you want to count the shows in this and then we'll have Supergirl and then it seems like we'll have some offshoots and we'll have some team things and so the big question mark to me more is just, is, will they be able to bring a character as monumental as Darkside to the DCU in a way that feels timed properly?

You know, will this event feel like it is, yeah, properly timed out and is something like Salvation's purpose, partly going to be showcasing a bunch of the rogues so that people know who they are? And then, you know, beyond the main, main ones, and then also setting up, you know, dark side for a more future head-on, confrontation. Like, I can see that working and I can see that being pretty cool. And yeah, it's all about the finesse. And I'm like, the schedule that they have, at least on paper or on record right now, is interesting to me just because, like, I could, it, I don't know. It's unlike what I've used to seeing. It's not just a bunch of solo films and then a team up and it's not just like one solo film and then a bunch of team ups. It's sort of like in between those things. So I'm just having fun watching them try, take some sort of. swings and try some stuff. Yeah. But to your question, yeah, Dark Side's got to come in. I would imagine sooner than

later, and I think part of the trial for DCU will be when do we bring, when do we play the hits and when do we bring in, you know, new stuff. So Brainiac coming, new stuff. And people are excited about that and it's on the horizon. But also Darkside, like, that's a hit and you've got

to play it. I mean, I wouldn't mind if Darkside doesn't come in for like another five to ten years. 100%. No, I mean, like, totally. But how cool would it be if if they do teeth to saw it and para demons on salvation they could still do

that see the thing is I can totally see a version where he just did it with Earth X Earth X is nothing really it's just fucking like Ohio or something I don't really know where it's at shouts out I forget where they are in the piece taker show and it's not

it's not really a world that we explore it's just a fact about this other multiversal side and there's some backdrop stuff but we don't but we're not doing the whole okay's in washington but we're not doing the whole earth x storyline yeah yeah we're just acknowledging it exists exactly yeah i feel like it would be perfect to just back there if we just did it yeah we could go back there and yeah it's another thing where i feel like thematically the show because i thought like oh that's what this that's why they did earth x because it's thematically

tying in what they want to do with the metahumans and stuff and the the prejudices of that like oh we fear this thing that is strong And so we're going to, yeah, I understand. But they didn't really do anything with that. But, yeah, I think you could. I think it would be really cool if you did actually. You don't even have to say the name Dark Side. You don't have to say Apocalypse.

You don't have to show it. Just have some parodymen show up. Yeah. Well, that's got to happen on salvation. They could just be monsters that happen. Yeah. And it would be something really fucking cool of a great way to start teasing the bill up. Because I know we got like a shit ton of other movies to get through before.

we go to that ultimate team-up thing. What I will say, what I love about how we're seeing James Gunn set up the universe is that each one of these tie-ins is linked to not just plot point device, but character motivation. Superman ends with Lex Luther with a very big drive of hatred towards metahumans. Then he comes back in to Peacemaker with Rick Flaggin there and Lex. and their motivations, their personal motivations align, which allow Lex to get more of this freedom,

and then it leads to them opening up these multiversal doors and shit, which then leads to Peacemaker to be banished to this next setup of salvation, and salvation opens up the door for the bigger picture of the metahumans being at odds with humanity and what that conversation is going to be. So there are like cool domino effects that are more than just, what are Easter eggs linking to Darkside coming, you know? Like, it's cool in the way they're doing it. how there's a ripple effect from one door to the next of character motivations that lead to these consequences and the things falling over.

Yeah, I mean, I like the progression of the universe does feel tangibly character motivated, not just solely conflict, physical conflict, motivated. It seems like I can kind of see. Yeah, there's barely any action. Well, peacemaker, yeah. Which, again, which on paper, I love that. Like, cool. Let's do a completely emotional deep dive on this wacky comic book shit. I love stuff like that.

I think, like, if they can master a sense of time, like, that would be really cool. And I think that's a really hard thing to do right now because Marvel has shown us the kind of hazards that can be when you announce a bunch of stuff and a roadmap and you then feel like you have to stick to that. and I like, as I said, that James Gunn's roadmap is adjustable. But if they could, you know, plant some stuff in a little bit more than just like a cheeky, like, Easter egg, like, you know, if they could meaningfully plant some things that people who are in the know will get and, yeah, let them gestate for five to ten years and culminate, that would be friggin sick. Like, if they could do that, I think that's awesome. I think we're in a moment with blockbuster movies in general and comic book franchises in general where we're kind of not certain enough of things

to swing that far ahead and commit to that. Hence the greater propensity now for like MCU post-credit scenes that turn into nothing. So like if James Gunn and company could harness that and set up a dark side that way and like, yeah, really show you across these moments in time that no, this is a part of it. it's coming. We're not forgetting about this,

but it's not what we need to do right now. Like, that could be really fun because then it'll get you excited about the future in a way that's different than watching a commercial at the end of this movie. Yeah. You know, or something like that. And, uh, and yeah, you know, I hope as they continue figuring out how to make these shows

and these movies vitally tie in with each other, that they will do more stuff that's like, oh, like you said, watching Earth X arise on Peacemaker, you're like, oh, cool, because I could see how this will be even bigger, you know, and how this will have ramifications across whatever. And then the way they handle it doesn't suggest that that's the case, and it's odd. Yeah, that's what I'm kind of worried about with salvation, honestly. Yeah.

Is it just going to be a planet with some cool stuff, and we'll just get some like dick jokes and whatever, and then we're gone? Well, the question to me becomes, is this leading into like a Salvation miniseries? Is this leading into a salvation movie? Is this really leading to a potential peacemaker season three? because the answer to that question changes what I imagine for the... It's like if this is the setup

for Peacemaker Season 3 my cynical brain is like well maybe within the first two episodes they'll find a way to get him out of here and it's not going to be a big deal. If it's like a Salvation miniseries like sick. Like something that then is going like okay so you have

Peacemaker as sort of your anchor to segue us into this and to you know help jump you know more people who know that but don't know the deeper cuts in than cool, but if it's clear that this isn't just Peacemaker Seasons 3, this is a mini-series of its own, I think that can be a really fun thing to do, and something that could bridge a gap between the series and movies conundrum.

Like if a mini-series is kind of like a longer movie, and yes, like an ongoing series is in ways too, but I think the pressure of ongoing series can sometimes be a bit much and can complicate things sometimes and in the case like this knowing what the source material is a miniseries like that would be ideal to me to do this mini series get a bunch of rogues in there you can kind of revisit some of what worked with suicide squad in terms of dynamics but then also introduce some new folks and set up whatever lex's journey is for the future it seems like a very functional but also seems like it's going to put the fun and functional and that's what they do yeah well the salvation

lands like skull island oh fun that's a good way to put that too yeah just better badlands with with more blood blood yeah i'm sure what's the chat saying man oh man chat's been popping off today and i love it have they yeah it's almost i'm trying to be a little bit more calm today because i know that it's difficult to monitor a chat while also having a fully engaged conversation Yovan Kandola, is this true that James again tried to get a Deadpool cameo in this finale? I don't know what I said he was trying to get Ryan Reynolds. I don't know what that was for though.

That would have been very funny. Multiversely speaking, that would have been very cool. It would have been pretty funny. And that would have been a freaking moment if they had been able to do that. Some people are saying that we should bring back Jeff Johns, who understands and already knows the source material, yada, yada, yada.

Maybe. I mean, I've been saying that they Brainiac, they should do the Jeff John's run. I think that would be the one with Supergirl and Superman fighting and that one's my that to me would be the ideal version to do.

Some people are, I don't know man, it seems kind of up and down in here. Some people are not having a lot of faith that these bigger cinematic apparatuses are able to grippingly kind of subsist and be interesting whilst also

having to swing as wide as they have to. Okay, do we have some super chats? I want to make sure that we actually get to some of them today. Why we go to some of the super chats link to this? And then we get you some other stories to go through. Oh, yeah, I think. Yeah, it seems like we've had a, at least popping through the chat. I've been like, oh, you know.

Okay, cool. Let's go. We got, what we got? Oh, yeah, we got a good handful today so far. And we're going to kick it all off. That, to me, would be the ideal version. I wish I had. One thing that we can't.

This is excellent. We needed a moment of silence. We needed a moment of silence. This is good actually It's just the perfect scenario for us. It's like, this is going really smooth. Well done. Is it as simple as I plug in, plug out?

Tell me how it is now. Tell me how it is now. Because we might, we might. Oh, it started happening like 10 minutes ago. Okay, cool. That's better than the whole time. I even got a message from even movie man mark. Movie man mark.

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When did that occur? I think it must have been when we opened the super chats. Oh, really? I'm guessing that it happened right when we started doing the superchats? Opening the super chat window must have had some kind of it's a display, it's capturing the display

and it must be carrying sound from one of these other windows that I'm not capturing. Oh, okay, weird. Thank you guys. I'm sorry. That's the tricky. That's, okay. And this stream is lagging now?

Is that what's happening? Oh, no. Oh, no. We're hardwired, man. And I turn the VPN off. We should be smooth as butter. We are going to fix this, don't we? Oh, my God.

This is amazing. Okay, this is happening like 10 minutes ago. Okay. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. No, no. Here's what we'll do. We'll do a speed round. We'll go back and we'll redo it.

all right all right we could redo it we have the technology we will cut it out in post i'm going to download the full version and then cut it out yeah we'll redo it okay thank you shouts out to olivia for looking out thanks olivia my baby for calling she's obsessed with me absolutely obsessed she's in the chat right now she's super obsessed with me dude she's killing she's looking out for the chat all right she's looking out for everyone here let's do this properly i'm going to pay attention to the chat i love What I wish is we, I wish we could have a giant chat window, like, just over there so that we could, like, always see it when we want to. That's why I wanted another person in here today to help monitor that, because I get.

That's the one thing. I get overwhelmed if I'm looking at the chat and trying to have a conversation at the same time. That's the hard part. And, yeah, I'm like, if we just had one, we have two screens for those of you watching playing along at home. We have two screens right now. And if I could have just like a third screen that just has the chat in this position, then that'll. help. So I'll make a note of that for later. And we will, yeah, hop right back into these chats. Love you guys. Thank you for all the love. Don't cut it out. Well, maybe we'll think about leaving it. Let's do this really quick again. All right. Two Eyes. Thank you so much for the Momento di Salentio. Appreciate you very much. Aaron Koval. Here we go. Have really been enjoying the Friday commentaries. But if you guys don't end up doing one for Matt Reeves, the Batman, I'm going to crash out. thank you for following us we will be doing it and i was explaining earlier how i you worked it out

in the schedule i worked it on the upload schedule specifically so that way the batman would upload our video of the batman would upload on halloween alongside another Halloween video really really calculate this stuff more than people realize yeah you do and sometimes it really doesn't pan out. Other times it does. But it because the Batman opens on Halloween. So I thought it's the perfect time to upload it and it has to be that way. So yeah, it's perfect. Yeah, that's it. But thank you for that. And I appreciate you watching. I appreciate everyone who's been watching those. Those have been a lot of fun to be putting together. Some get better responses than others. And I know if they were all first time watches, they'd be doing better. But we're

experimenting here. And we're trying to get a couple of other things working with a couple of other hosts here as well. he's building. All right. Silhouette animator. Do you think this makes it more likely than Mr. Miracle becomes DC-U-Canon?

I absolutely think Mr. Miracle will become DC-U-Cannon. Tom King's work is becoming a big adaptation part of the DC universe and the most iconic Mr. Miracle runs from 2017.

Mr. Miracle was raised on apocalypse, the ultimate escape artist. He's considered a new god. He's linked to his wife. What's the wife's name? you have her name? I forget her name. Oh, Big Barda. She's linked to Granny Goodness.

And one of Granny Goodness is Warriors. They've got a big love story. There's a lot of, I think, naturally, Mr. Miracle, which I believe there's already a TV show announced about him. I have the logline here that we read that I can read quickly again. Go again for it, John. Logline states the new series follows Scott Free, the world's greatest escape artist. We also established the second iteration from the comics and a new god, known to be, Known to the world as Mr. Miracle, whose perfect life with his warrior wife, Big Barda, falls apart when their two home worlds,

apocalypse, and new Genesis going to war. Yeah, so there's a lot of, a lot of things coming, and I believe that absolutely Mr. Miracle would become canon to this whole experience. Heck, yeah. I don't feel like they're going to do a shit ton of elseworld stuff. I think that would be confusing. I think they got to keep it primarily stuff

that would be canon in some fashion. It seems like, I mean, you know, especially as we're building up and building longevity between projects. It certainly seems like a thing they'd want to keep focused to some degree and not confuse people with. Although, you know, Joker, people did all right with that. Yeah. So hopefully, I would love to see Signor Miracle become a, yeah, become a, you know what I mean, a friggin canonical part of the DC. John got the photo in there.

There we go. That's why I'm semi-distracted, but there we go. There's a little Mr. Miracle. for you. There's some little Tom King for you. Good old comic books. Transish. There we go. That's what we like to do. That's what we like to say. It's a miracle. We got this on display.

Next, super chat. Thank you so much for being so generous. Giga gang. All right. We got Mayank Rananavari. That's right. Hey, Greg and John. What do you think about Skydance's alleged attempt to acquire Warner? What would happen to DC's duty? if this deal goes through.

Not super excited about that. I don't, I mean, you know, like I said in the multiverse, incursion event we just lived through. I prefer the idea of a movie studio acquiring WB than like Verizon or some other just like unincorporated, unrelated tech firm, Nabisco acquiring Warner's probably wouldn't be great, but this always means, as Greg pointed out, that they're going to be, you know, people fired and, you know,

there's going to be added pressure on projects to be massively profitable and there are going to be budget cuts and blah, blah, blah. And less studios, I think, is bad for everybody because, you know, the movie industry was built on multiple studios having their own proprietary approaches

and stables of stars and, you know, innovating technology and challenging each other. And if every studio is owned by the, if there's just one mono studio, none of that's going to happen. This doesn't seem awesome. I think it can be very much at risk. There's a lot of risk taking risk taking happening at the dc universe and i think there's a lot that can be compromised if

this does happen yeah new leadership they're going to want to put their hands on it yeah it's always about how do we prioritize profit get megan ellison to buy it and i think businesses should concern themselves a profit it's a business you have to uh there just has to be a there has to be a a balance that I think happens of like, okay, we can do some things that are very just experimental, other things guaranteed profit. I don't know. I don't know. I'm faulting multi-million dollar corporation

or multi-billion dollar conversion. So I don't know. That's my it's my idealistic opinion. And if you're here, please leave a like on this video. Yeah, leave a like and go timestamp the multiverse incursion for everybody. Silhouette animator. We can do this properly.

Peacemaker is found. Desaad. Ready the Armada. We shall use. the old ways. I thought about this a little bit. It was actually during this time and then we got the heads up about the notification. They're not just transferred

to another planet. It's a multiversal door. And if salvation in the comics, if they honor that, that it is a planet designed to emboldened peridemans, Perry well could, I highly doubt it.

But it would be, it's like, it's a multi- multiverse. This could be fucking the dark side Snyder world. You know?

Like I was joking when they showed up there like they're on the small bill planet but you know like it's a possibility it's the multiversal door like the way they show treats it

is if they just got transferred to another planet that very well could be the case but like no there's they've made it very clear that these are multiverses call Ray Porter get him back in the room

get him back he was the perfect voice for Darkside it was perfect it was pretty sick so yeah that's a possibility Definitely. All right. Yorgos Lantamos is The Lobster. The Lobster.

The Lobster. I would love you guys to watch Batman's Superman Public Enemies. Thank you. Thank you. That's what I want in live action dynamic for the world's finest. In the world finest, it's own comic. Yes, it is. Yeah, I wrote down like a bunch of movies too.

I'm like, oh, shit. Sometimes the host get really mad at me here because there's just things I don't realize are coming out that might be more better that might be stronger yeah algorithm relevancy wise I'm like oh shit this is happening or oh wait I forgot this VOD thing and I keep there's like eight things I wrote down yesterday like oh should we add this to the list yeah I have to go there and maybe move stuff around because I mapped out everything up until January 4th nice I'm actually glad they move it's weird add revenue the old YouTube behind the scenes here. Ad revenue is the best

in December time, because November to December, because holiday season. So ad revenue just like, it's weird, you know? We can get a video that gets 100,000 views in January, but we'll make more ad revenue dollars on a video that gets 20,000 views

in December. Yeah, it's fucking bizarre. Some more tickle me elbows for the man. And, you know, so part of that with Wonder Man, I was like, oh, okay, perfect time to release it. It's coming out in December. Oh, yeah. No, now they push it to January, and I'm a little relieved because December's already so, like, the stranger things is, it's, it's so weird to have, like, an insane love for a show.

And insane ire. Insane ire for, oh, literally, no holiday. Yeah. And so I'm like, it'd be nice if they got rid of one show for us to cover in December. so yeah but anyway no I thank you for reminding me I'll have to out into the list what do we got next here

all right next thing a tiny bit of speed a little bit of speed thank you guys see all these super chats coming in we don't end to stream without them and while John's here I'll check up the other one too

two eyes two eyes is back thank you for the comment no cue but throwing out love to Andrew my friends and I gather to play a drinking game for his reactions

when we take a sip every time he says again had to switch from liquor to beer so we didn't die do we have a timestamp at this moment I want to send this to Andrew

oh um let me check like Roxy did this really cool thing with Aaron for the socials because Aaron had been I guess I wasn't aware of it had been getting like hate or something

and then they were they did a little like funny video about it and Aaron got swarm with a shit ton of love it was really cool to see and I was like all right I guess I got to unsend that email.

I'm firing Aaron. I guess I got to invite him back to the channel. Golly, I'm trying to find the timestamp here. It is weird, you know, like, because they're... It's like an hour or ten somewhere in there. Okay, cool. Let me remind that down so I could show it to Aaron. Andrew later.

I think that is important, you know. Like, it did bum me out. Because Roxy said she wasn't bothered by it. I believe her. You know... When people weren't excited she was on peacemeyer. yeah i pay more attention to like the likes yeah because i'm like if she i'm going if she was really like the most hated thing in the world this would be like well i know what reflect that more

yeah it's it's scary when you when you're like oh he's got like 60% dyslikes yeah that means yeah that means this is not good it's a lot easier to hit the thumb yeah then leave a whole ass comment yeah and yeah more motivation even the ones who've been really critical on a piecemaker they've they've generally stayed above 96% and uh so And I thought Roxy provided a lot of great stuff for, I loved having her there for those. That was a perfect triple for that show. I fully agree. So, yeah.

And, you know, I'm trying to be more aware when people are mindful of them getting hate because I forget that that is an emotional process for everyone here. I easily lose sight of that. Yeah. I know when it is for me. Yes. I get afraid to open up live stream talk. That's the one part of it is like, I want to be completely honest. honest when I'm doing these, no matter what, even there's a live stream, but there's that part of me.

I'm like, but while I'm doing that honesty, I shouldn't be reading the chat. I'm a little apprehends, like, there's super chats or whatever. I'll keep the, I have to add the chat open right now, but during like the main topic stuff, you know, I try to be mindful of that. Yeah, 100%. I generally feel like the chat here is pretty positive, but then again, most of the time I'm behind that desk and I'm looking at it a lot more directly, whereas, like, I dread the comment section more than the live chat.

I do. Live stream. I do. I definitely still, once in a while I will come across some comments, though. It's like, like, if a video is getting, like, more hate than usual, I think it is important to understand why. Oh, yeah, totally. I don't think we can just disregard and go fucking haters are haters, you know?

Unless, of course, it's, it depends. Like, someone's taking, like, a high moral stance on something. I know there's two ways business owners with YouTube channels can be about it is, hey, we want to steer clear from, like, you know. political opinions you know don't talk about you know fucking democrat republicans or gay people or black people like i've i've i've heard channels who do that with certain people and and then though and their approaches go about it and and i'm always of the mindset with people here like whatever you want to say you can go ahead and and say it i don't really i i feel like there's times where i've i've

asked people that when we're talking i get more sensitive more about like um hey if you're watching something that has a big fandom try to be a little bit more measured in how you express your criticism more of that about that I'm like but if you got something to say about it

a political thing like I go for it I don't care yeah it's more don't hold back your opinion but don't just like shit all over a thing if there's a dedicated fan base to it if you have issues you know be a little thoughtful in your presentation yeah I guess what I mean is if it seems like you don't like something because you sometimes there's different variations of not liking something and

criticizing something that we've been having discussions with people about and because the things that we've had to learn on like oh we're we making too many jokes and that's why we were out of it or were we making too many jokes because we didn't like it yeah you know and having to be aware of that is that's kind of more of what I'm talking about and I never want people to feel like they have to lie about their feelings on something yeah I like that Be honest. Be genuine. But I understand hate is a tricky subject.

Yeah. And it makes you move. It just, yeah, it sticks in your craw, or it can. If it's, if it is warranted in any kind of actual criticism, it's tricky. Yeah. Silhouetted animator. Back at it again. After this one, can be checking on the stream labs?

Of course. I thought you'd never asked. I liked the theme of the original sin of Chris, came back when he's at his Hang on, I'm going to start this again I like the theme of the original sin of Chris Came back when he's at his best self Meanwhile Flagg Sr. regressed into a vengeful

corrupt monster Yeah, I mean like I'm trying to decipher this a little bit But yeah, I mean Chris has had so much to atone for And like becoming his best Like his best self is a guy I feel like we only glimpse a couple of times,

but I do love this dovetail that he and Flagg seemed to be on, at least in concept. Like, I, it's clear from what we've said that we, I think, both wish that that was more evenly weighted and fleshed out in some capacities. But yeah, I mean, I really like the thoughtfulness of that. I do feel like things were hindered for setup. Hmm. For setting up salvation.

yeah and sending out future stuff because they have plans for rick flag and stuff i think if rick if they treated this like this is where rick flag's character is this show they would have before there was a whole thing of factoring in a bigger universe i think we would have gotten better characterization of rick flag i mean i could totally see that i think sometimes they do sacer i think sometimes people things do get um oh no i mess it up olivia is the hero we deserve but not the one we need what is it what's the what's the what's the complimentary one what's the one they say for batman at the end of the dark night uh he's the hero we deserve but not the one we need right now that's the one i mess it up

i messed it up in the chat she's i was trying to quote the dark night without we don't deserve her but we do need her yeah you know i'm not going to try it it's john you type it if you can't um but yeah that's what i felt with like earth x happening is that because they wanted to make a big reveal out of it in episode six there was a lot of exploration that was sacrificed because they wanted to preserve a lot and then well we could just chalk it up to Kristen and notice because it's because it's a joke so yeah I think some stuff does get missed in the in the desire to have a ooh or a setup for something in the future I do I do think some things were actually hindered due to that yeah um but yeah thematically there's a lot of themes there

which I agree with your comment on. But he loved a lot of the themes of this. We will continue going through the Supers in a second. But let's hop into the streams because I'm not going to act like I'm surprised. I saw a big stream lab coming. But yeah, we got to go to streams, John. Because they wanted to make a big reveal.

The laws that made us. There was a lot of exploration that was sacrificed. I noticed he's giving it. Because they wanted to preserve a lot. When Koi is not. We could just chalk it up to Kristen and notice it's because of this. Wow. We know who you are.

That's a deal with a chance. That's a deal with a chance. That's David Gandy. That's Christopher Whamoff. You could change your name from anonymous to that. But dude, that is super... Thematically, there's a lot of things. It's been months you haven't donated that high.

I know. What's your deal, man? I can't do these as much, but hope y'all are good. I'm not going to act like a hotel. Wow. We've got to go stream shots. This is a one year. The laws that made us.

I noticed he's giving it because they wanted to preserve a lot. Oh, yeah, Chris should give $501. I think Chris should give $501. That's a deal. That's a deal with a chamber of it. Yes. Yeah, each one has a new question.

You could change your name from anonymous to that. Detailed, dude, that is mathematically, there's a lot of things there would be. It's been months you have the guy that the auditors happen. We know. What's your deal, man? I can't do these as much. but hope y'all are good i see there we go all right all right we're back we should be back now

we should be good we should be good this is a fascinating wrinkle but every podcast has a unique thing about it why why do you think it's happening um these it happens when we open up the stream lab or the super chat do we need to create new sources on obes um they have sound attached to them naturally because they're like web sources and I think like I have the chat thing, the monitor up in the studio and I haven't

muted here but I don't know if it maybe is just still picking the audio but I have pulled down the audio slider for those of you who knew OBS Is it a fixed now? It seems like it ought to be fixed now so we can continue on. Sorry about that game.

Oh God. Thank you so much to the, that's how much we appreciate the laws that made us, this, this, like, super generous contribution that we couldn't say it in just one voice. We had to say it with a multitude of heavenly hosts. We got all of our better angels. So it's a damn it, Aaron. Damn it, Aaron. Yeah, so. Everything is his fault.

All right. Okay. Good. We didn't go that far. Yeah. What we were saying to you, Chris Wammoth, we know this was you. Yeah, we contributed an insane amount of money. right now thank you is that we're not a hotel you shouldn't just be uh coming in once in a while this should be your monthly fee to being part of the reject nation yes this is your tithe and john was saying that you should you should um donate 500 questions all in ones yeah they should take up our entire day yeah we're just here answering all of your most like

absurd little whims and people won't want to hop in our streams anymore because they're going to be like this is just the Chris Whamoff live stream. It's the yeah we're just here to serve you because Chris just goes in the chat GVT he says generate me 500 questions to ask the real reach

that's really funny I would be very very tickled if he's like Donnie from Teenage Media Ninja Turtles too yeah oh and that commercial that lovely action figure commercial that they played in the movie trailer oh goodness but uh hey uh chris thank you thank you thank you that's incredibly generous appreciate you very much i resort to sarcasm because i don't know

how to just receive it and then when i start saying thank you it doesn't sound like justice you know you're not justice if you are justice do not please give more stream laughs Mike Ruchetta But thank you Thank you dude That's really sweet Thank you bye

That's all I can say No matter I repeat myself I don't really know more to say Even one time Is like super staggeringly generous So anytime you feel moved To this level of generosity

Just thank you On all of our behalf What is like the best way I need to find a communication video Of How do I express gratitude In the most efficient way Where I know it lands

Where I know they know I'm sincere What is my communication tactic? Of conveying sincerity. What three letters can I remember as a mnemonic device to help me be more effective at accepting people's generosity and compliments? What are the three Cs of gratitude? Thank you. Thank you so much.

And thank you guys in the chat for being super on top of it and being impatient. Thank you. Yeah, appreciate you guys. This is every episode we hide in Easter Reagan, you found it. it please uh please please please leave a like on this video too and thank you guys who've been contributing mike roshetta john and i before we filmed before we hit record we literally said to each other like dude let's not concern ourselves with views or super chats like earnings let's just have a good conversation and somehow it's led to the most super show as we've got in like a couple

yeah so it's i appreciate i'm very grateful for it right now it's like it's kind of crazy so thank you It's that ability when you like don't, when you like go and you're not concerned when it's suddenly this like generosity comes in. Well, that's part of the key to getting more, John. How do we actually achieve not caring about getting this stuff? Well, that's the thing, you know. Without having the intention of getting it. It's the original nugget of the show. It's just like, let's just have a good convo and we'll see where it goes, you know.

It's got to be an actual part of our DNA. Yeah. So, thank you. No, we have a big screen for reactors. I'll tell you, though, John and I, when we first. partnered up for the first few years there's nothing like watching Zach Snyder's Justice League

on a monitor this big like a little computer monitor and then remember we got like the television that was like this it was like it was like four of these laptops yeah and we were like

whoa this is so much bigger yeah we got like a 30 inch TV or something that 28 TV it was harder than that yeah and we thought that was like fucking a huge 17 inch something like that And now what do we watch on, like, 55-inch TV?

Yeah, yeah. Once we got the big TV, we're like, oh, this is what we should have done from a long time ago. Now we've got to get a 70-inch TV. But it's a testament to the strength of something like Zach Snyder's Justice League or Stranger Things Season 4 of how great that is. When you can, like, two of us here at a computer with like a shared headphone set. Watching it on something this big and being like, this just fucking great, you know. She's on a small-ass screen. That's how I feel to a slightly lesser degree about spoilers, but about anything.

Like, you know, it doesn't matter what the screen is if it's good. Yeah. You know, like, obviously it'll be best on the best screen, but like, if it's good, you know, I'll still read. John, you've been killing it here, and you're getting a lot of love in the chat right now, and you 100% deserve it, dude. Thank you. Thank you. I like to get love for killing.

Yeah, yeah, let's go. All right, Mike Ruschetta, sound tasty. Hey, Greg and John. Hey, to you. Uh, I'm conflicted on TV runtimes. A show should be as long as the narrative you are telling needs it to be. On the other hand, we are in an era of the MCU and DCU of low episode count and 30 minute episodes. It shouldn't just, uh, shouldn't these just be movies instead of series?

This is something I think they're figuring out, and I mean, this is a very weird conundrum. I feel like, yeah, oftentimes we will see a show and I will think to myself, I wish this had a couple more episodes, and then I'll watch I don't know I've seen a lot of MCU shows that I thought could be movies and a lot of movies I thought could be shows and then when they do make a show

I'm like this seems like it needed more episodes or maybe less episodes or something so I don't know what's happening with runtime and it's I am oft like part of our journey if you follow along with Peacemaker was us being taken aback at the sort of variable runtime skewing

kind of short and you know it's what eight episodes so I think you are right to some degree and I think they just need to have a stronger I don't know like there's so many moving parts of consideration you have to know what to make a movie or make a show

and then you've got to get the right writers to come up with all that stuff and to map it all out and sometimes it works better than other times but I don't know I wish the variable runtime thing was working more in these stories favor than against it as it appears right now It's a difficult thing to break down because if I look at Peacemaker season one, absolutely should be a TV show. The story they are telling, the runtime they use, every episode well justified.

I love that season. I think it's a near perfect season one. Season two, there are things you could eliminate and you could have made that a movie. Some of those episodes are 20 to 25 minutes long. And some of those episodes contain shit you do not need. You could cut out some banter. you can cut out most of the Eagley stuff.

Like I love Eagley, but the way Eagley served in season one is fantastic. Here they wrote stuff for Eagley that like I like when Eagley fights the guards with a whole lot, we're going to kill Eagley thing. That literally could have been eliminated and it wouldn't change jack shit

about the season. And it seemed like it would factor into something bigger. But Chris doesn't even learn about it. I didn't realize I don't know. Chris Debris even fucking learns about how Eagley almost died and how he becomes like prime equal and shit like he never learns this so it doesn't no one does it doesn't factor in it it's just like a side thing it feels it does feel comic bookie in that way yeah but they could have been a movie now though if you did make it a theatrically

distributed movie would it have made money i don't think so because you have made it as r-rated probably not okay but let's say you make it a movie and you make it straight to max no one's going to care it's going to seem less than because it's a straight to streaming movie to me they're not going to give a shit. Marvel special presentations are like World War I Night is one of the greatest things they've done and people don't ever fucking talk about it.

You know? Because it comes and goes. It just gets dumped. So I guess the best solution was to just make Peacemaker Season 2. How do you make it eight episodes? That way it becomes a week to week conversation. But then you get diluted storytelling and you know, I know like if I said this last week, people wouldn't be agreeing. But now that

with the finale being something that, and again, like, I'll i'll reiterate just for the sake of reiterating there's a lot of positives a lot of things i absolutely loved halfway through i thought i might like the season more than season one um but yeah i i do understand like the conflict but that's the season two we're talking about yeah some of these shows that there are one seasons yeah they could be movies and uh but i just depends on the gamble and they've been prioritizing again profit and promotion and you know it's uh it's a bummer yeah oh i know they wanted to make marvel zombies but like

they can't use Spider-Man in movies or whatever Spider-Man's barely in the Marvel's movies it was worth it for the trailer is that really your character coming to Marvel's always you in the chat who is saying Secret Invasion

was better than Peacemaker's Season 2 I don't agree with that at all no I wouldn't agree with that I wouldn't agree with that oh golly yeah don't worry we'll bring back the echoing Seattle Kio

figure out a way. We'll figure out a way to make that a filter we can throw on once in a while. Sweet. Stephen, thank you for chiming in. Going to see him, Good Boy, The Conjuring, and the Fog, 1980, and the cinema on Monday with the spooky season coming up. What is your favorite horror movie? Mine is trained to Busan. Loving the Batman commentary. Love from the UK. I don't want to spoil anything.

So I'll only tease. there are two women here who covered train to Busan not a spoiler thank you for the Batman commentary love my favorite horror movie be more interested to hear Johns oh my

is it still that one from 1974 Texas chains off ads yeah it might be it oscillates this week I really don't like that movie it's so weird

I love them I know I know you and I love most fucking people who love horror too I really can't stand that movie um golly yeah I mean I love that movie

the thing is also one of my favorites I mean I just got to see devil's rejects again how was that I couldn't go I know sad we missed you

I bought those tickets a month ago and I forgot to get a refund I was like shit it's okay I'll pay you for him. I'm happy to support Rob Zambi. I'm happier, happy, happy to support Rob Zon. I haven't seen that movie since like this channel

started probably. Like I haven't said it so long. Well, that's the thing is it had been such a long time since I had seen it too. And I'm a huge fan of Rob Zombie's movies and his music and this movie in particular and yeah, it was really cool getting to see it again for all the things that it is and for its

unique, insane little horror Western, harsh, nasty you know quintessence um so that's i mean definitely a favorite it's weird like for hollow i pull out different movies for Halloween time in terms of horror than I do just generally speaking but like sure but yeah favorites i mean Texas chain saw the thing um if you can count Sean of the Dead horror comedy um that's a favorite um trick-a-treat um nosferatu night of living dead a lot of them are you know like the classics and

stuff like that but i mean i love house of a thousand corpses also hexen is terrific it's like an old 20s uh movie about demons and witches and stuff uh i'd say scream tends to take the cake from me and i would throw i don't think like what actually scared the shit out of me when i was younger there's nothing scares the shit out of me now. Like, I'll get scared. But I don't, there's nothing that, like, haunts me anymore. Ring haunted me for a very long time. That, yeah, that definitely got under my skin. Usually human horrors do that to me more than

supernatural. If you, like, watch Henry, Henry Porcher of a serial killer or something will definitely, like, sort of put me on edge. Yeah, I'm definitely the opposite. Which, I mean, you know, the right spooky ghost thing. can do it i think the devil's rejects is the first movie that as a horror movie challenged me as an audience at a very young age on my empathy yeah because it is it is scary because the first half dedicated to the devil's rejects you're looking at villains who are depraved they're depraved and it it does omit that sense of you never know who a stranger is yeah and a stranger could easily kill you like they're so willy-nilly and so random and

it felt so real and i saw it at such a young age the theaters of my mom yeah and and then when you get to the finale suddenly you're like scared for these people who you were scared of yeah it's like what the fuck just happened in this weird ass movie didn't i just see this guy assaulting a woman in the in the in the hotel room like it's this weird fucking movie that it actually it does uh as i mean by a challenge like wow i'm fucking fearing for them but why I'm cheering for them and yet I don't simultaneously want them to win

and there is something cathartic about watching somebody get the upper hand on them but then their control and autonomy is removed and then you have an empathetic response to like it is a fascinating little movie and the guy who's doing it to them is not

bad well and that's part of it is like is yeah he tries to get to that point of being that guy but he just doesn't have the juice he's just not that guy and that's part of the problem you know you would have this would have been done with if you were that guy yeah you know and you're trying that i forgot as that much as there is about him like trying

to walk the straight and narrow i tried to do this by the book um i also forgot how funny that movie is uh too did you watch house of a thousand corpses first not this time around i just watched it as i mean i've seen that more recently i meant when you first watched it i saw devils rejects first I didn't even know it was a sequel to House of a Thousand Corpses, nor did I possibly think I was missing out on something when I saw House of it, when I saw Devil's rejects. I learned like way later, like, oh, House of a Thousand Corpses is connected. I didn't know that.

Yeah. And I think that's, I think that made me like House of a Thousand Corpses even less. Because, because Devil's Rejects felt so real to me. You know, like it starts off with the idea of, like the fucking fire five family and all this stuff and then when you then then when it um goes it's like so handheld and gritty and raw in your fucking face and nasty and it feels very it feels like texas chainsaw massacre it has that uh a vibe that house of a thousand corpses is the complete so none of that right i wasn't scared at all during it and it just read as like

fake and i and i guess i couldn't appreciate it because i was expecting a similar tone because I had seen Devil's Rejects first. So I don't think I ever gave House of a Thousand Corpses this proper shot. It's very fun to hear him talk about making it and coming up with it because, yeah, it's like it did after, yeah, having to buy House of Thousand Corpses back from Universal or whoever and then having to sell it and blah, blah, blah. It did well for Lion's Gate and so they wanted a sequel and he didn't have like a direct thing he wanted to do.

So he was like being conscientious, I was just like, I'll take the same characters and just make something else I want to. make and just like we'll call it a sequel because if i say i'm doing something original then they're not going to give me as much to work yeah so it's just like i guess i'll just make a sequel and and he said he tried to go against all of his instincts so you know instead of cutting or hyper saturating things like okay let's make it really grungy and washed out and let's hold for longer on stuff and and it's still kinetic but uh but yeah i really enjoy house of a thousand corpses for the contrast and because it's so zany and wild and for me specifically

I pull that movie out every Halloween season because it has, it's weird like Texas Chainsaw is one of my favorite movies for what it is and how it feels and all that stuff but like House of Islands Corpse is like the perfect Halloween party version of Texas Chainsaw Massacre is more fun, it's more wacky, it's more off the walls and it does descend

uniquely past the point of Texas Chainsaw Massacre at a point, but there's no denying that, you know, Devil's Rejects is the more interesting movie like, you know, Hazardite, of course, is a fun genre riff, and there's a lot of cool music video style about it. But I get why it wouldn't be people's cup of tea so much, whereas, like, Devil's Rejects has this unlikely thing where it's like, even Roger Ebert,

who hates this kind of movie, like, gave it a four out of five review or something like that. That's why I watched it, because I was a fan of Eber and Roper, and they gave it two thumbs up. Yeah. And I did not expect that. Yeah, and there's something about the movie that does kind of do this interesting thing

where you're like, I shouldn't like this. And somehow I do. And somehow I'm at least affected by and kind of acquainted with, yeah, like you said, that random nature of like, I could be this weird story

heard on the radio about somebody who ran into a clown off a highway and wound up dead. But that's definitely a favorite. I mean, I'll have trick or treat. I love the evil dead movies. There's so many of the name. Depends on the day.

They live. It's great. Believe you, man. It's all good stuff. Yeah, we got a lot of questions. We do. We do. We're going to be, we're going to be, that's, that happens.

Every one of these streams, really. Oh, wow, we've been a long time here. Rob zombie podcast. All right. Here we go. Dan V-900, thank you for chiming in on the stream labs. I am with you on peacemaker, Greg. Gun said after seven, he didn't care about the multiverse.

EarthX isn't important. It showed many animated. series in a short amount of time expanded the multiverse like Superman killing Lex after Lex killed Flash villains were one of two lobotomized in that world CW had a concentration camp

if you don't care about the multiverse and diving into a world then just don't do it the season was disjointed, underwhelming and had good scenes you could point to and yet don't have a through line it's not as good as the sum of its parts I agree it like you know

when I I didn't even mention this in our review, you know when I knew this multiverse thing was a problem? Like for sure, for sure, in the final episode. When I started feeling really cynical, the second they opened Candyland door. And I predicted exactly what it was going to be. It's like, okay, we're going to get cute animal, cute creature who appears cute, but it's really going to be vicious. It is the most cliche thing and so predictable the second they opened that door. And what Dan v. 900 is echoing is like, yeah, that's the vibe I got. What's the most fucking generic, satisfactory thing I could do right now?

They teased the skull thing in the trailer, which I think was a terrible call. Bad idea. And it's literally just that. They just opened the door. And it's what's in the trailer. They opened the door. I thought we were going to get some kind of, yeah, the trailer leads you to believe we're going to do some kind of madcap like, shit. We got to escape through the time portal and everyone just choose a door and see what

happens and but that's way too much to manage and it probably would cost way too much and yeah like i did hope for even if it was short-lived some more clever interesting like as a multiverse story if you want to categorize it that way it is kind of unique still because yeah like there's a lot of emotion and and there's at least something interesting about earth x but uh you know yeah the actual fun in games of the multiversal side seemed very requisite seemed very requisite seemed very kind of trite. I mean, he did the typical multiversal story. If you think about it, he did exactly what most of us probably thought it would be.

The typical multiverse story, this is what we were saying before we watched any of the show, is that Peacemaker would find a different world where he's more loved and he has, and it's going to look great, and then we're going to find out something's really bad about this place, and he's going to realize the family he was looking. looking for all along was there at home the entire time it's the exact thing that happens the friends you made along the way yeah it's the 100% the exact same arc yeah just told differently so yes it's not about the destination it's more about the emotional intimate journey but sometimes i do wonder if the shyness to to commit to a lane hinders some stuff you know like i it's no secret

like i fucking love superman and i i get fucking emotional shit when um not gaza is fucking in in trouble they're hearing for superman and it does seem very reflective of real world things but you know doesn't fully want to lean into it they have a whole planet of Nazis yes and they don't really lean into it and and it's weird when i watch season one because the nazi element of of season one feels harsh horrifying yeah it is much scarier and it is way more effective

yeah like the the neo-nazis living amongst us and how oggy secretly is like a cult leader of nazis like when he first goes into the prison it looks like he's gonna get his ass kicked and they just fucking bow before him yeah and then he's all the skinheads in his home and he's got this power and it's like it is it is villainous vile and scary and it's scarier than a whole planet of Nazis and vigilante going into the jail and beating up those dudes

is way more cathartic than just like a quick helicopter shooting down and it's weird like the reversal of Earth-X is sinister and it does feel harsh the moment is sinister yeah and the world itself because you know the context unless that's your vibe you know

is going to feel kind of like nasty but yeah it seems like it begged you could have done so much much exploration. Or you could have made Earth, like, I'm sitting here imagining, like, you could have done a version of the season where every episode, Chris is in a different version of his own life, trying to find one. If you don't want to spend time on EarthX, go there for an episode, be like, everything's great except everyone's a Nazi. I got to get out of here. To the next dimension where maybe my family is whole and something, you know, I could live with.

I think if anything's half-baked, I don't care if you're political or not in your, and your storytelling. I really don't give a shit. I think if you're half baked, though, it's, I think it becomes a little bit lackluster when it's like, just commit. Be like, you know, one battle after another is insanely, like, heavy on the political side. Eddington's my favorite movie the year. They fucking, like, rip apart both the left and the right. And it's, it is so, like, overtly and so far. it's so far like the whole point is to not be subtle in that yeah in that movie and yeah

it's kind of what i feel sometimes with this stuff and be and i and i wonder if they feel like the political side would overshadow it but i'm like not man the politics has always fucking been there i'm watching dark night and it's like it's fucking surveillance i watch dark night rises and i'm like oh yeah this whole thing of bane wanting to like fucking billionaires are ruining the world and we got to like i'll level the plane field and yeah And, like, you're the reason responsible for everything, and we've got to make these one percenters part of the 99 percenters, give it back to the people.

I'm like, this movie's political as fuck. This movie is so political. But you get less complaints. I weirdly think you get less complaints when you just embrace it. Yeah. If you just embrace it because then you're not trying to be clever or sneaky. Yeah, you're not trying to pretend to anybody like it's not going to happen. And so you can really easily turn away anybody who's not going to be about that.

And then for anybody else who wants to either challenge it or accept it, they can. And it's such a loaded thing to do that it is, I guess if you're open to the politics, you're going to be more inclined to think this way. But it's one of those things where I'm like, yeah, just go for it. Because I'd rather that, like, now is the time to comment on this because it's like not a given anymore that Nazis aren't good. So like, you know, yeah, just commit to it and really see it through and don't make it feel like one of a bunch of just little things. It's like it's not, it doesn't overtake Superman, but it feels like a pretty notable threat of that movie, the way that, you know, conflicts can be manufactured and used to support the interests of a handful of people who are profiting off of this and blah, blah. And it's not like, you know, making the whole movie just a, you know, mouthpiece for that.

but it's in there and this you know Nazi bad yes thank you good but like yeah there's way more nuance and again with the Rick Flagg thing I feel like you could have had a really nice parallel happening there how the fuck they bring him your fucking Joel Kinnam for one of us so

I love him so much like to establish the hardcore backstory and stuff I'm like okay it doesn't really feel like there's much like overcoming that no and and then yeah you bring him back for like a funny I thought it was funny

It was funny But yeah There's It is I agree with this Comment more and more But yeah We should move on

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And I love Rob Zombie Hove it John Unironically And the amount of people Who message Saying the live streams messed up Are they still coming in

Oh God we'll be yeah all right um okay we're gonna go back to the super chats thank you guys let's do a quickie refresh and i guess we should close these right in like a couple minutes sure you give five minutes we should always give a heads up if we're gonna close them out all right well this is your heads up you got five minutes i'm gonna set it on my watch i'm gonna literally have a loud ass timer go off in five minutes but appreciate you guys yeah very much appreciate you guys i'm willing to cancel today fortunately today's shoot is just John and I for stuff so if we have to cancel we can we're both a little time but this is

this part's easy this is fun okay yeah we left off here yeah so we got silhouetted in there and next up is only brodie tv thanks for chiming in it felt like a marvel face four show finale oh gem v's not aired yet huh yeah that's okay i'm gonna reserve opinions um Uh-oh. That's a good hook, though. I mean, I think there's more variety in opinions on Gen V, season two, amongst the three of us. Yes, I would agree. The, but this is starting to feel like a kind of across-the-board thing.

Yeah. Where, and it was, that's what I was saying earlier, is that I feel like storytelling was sacrificed for setup. That seems like a thing lately. It's not as obvious as like an Iron Man 2 situation or some other properties I can't quite think of right now but it's not as obvious as that but when you look back like yeah I think the Rick Flag characterization was rushed and sacrificed

and they didn't give him a fully completed arc because they needed to reserve it for Man of Tomorrow and they also needed to get him to a point so they can make Man of Tomorrow. Yeah. I'm fascinated yet. Yeah, to see if this is just a TV thing or if this infects the movies.

I feel like the movies are going to be pounded and folded slightly differently than these shows are. But there's just so, like I wish we could have seen Rick and Rick Jr. In some way. And, yeah, if Rick Flagg Sr. is going to be this important moving forward. It does, I don't know. Yeah, it's odd.

And it doesn't feel like a Marvel Phase 4 situation to me in, there's just a different flavor and, and quality that those have. And this has like enough of James Gunn's quirkiness and enough passion. It still feels like his own voice. Yeah, definitely. It's like it has enough passion that it,

I will take something like this in theory more than, let's go to the secret invasion, somebody mentioned in the comments. I would say this doesn't feel like a studio mandate show problem. No. Whereas a lot of the time, when someone says a Marvel Phase 4 show finale problem or a movie problem,

they're referring to the fucking studio mandate problems that clearly affected the movies. Yeah, and I think like if you look at Peacemaker's Season 2, it's like,

if you, I think this is actually kind of a neat little comparison. It's like something like Secret Invasion suffers for a lot of reasons, you know, it feels a little bit

all over the place in terms of its characterization, but also the political part is like really anemic and defanged and it's not very plugged in. Whereas like, peacemaker doesn't land quite on its, it doesn't do a lot of

really deep diving into its political themes, but it doesn't feel like, yeah, someone was like, oh, no, no, no, the world's too hot right now. We can't talk about this. It felt more just like it got caught up in a jumble of a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. And, yeah, I guess there just

wasn't enough time for whatever. I don't know. So, it didn't have, yeah, the weird seams of like, oh, I can tell how you kind of stitch this and reshot it and blah, blah, blah, that Marvel Face Four stuff has, but it does feel similarly all over the place, and the run times do feel sort of odd and telltale,

which is certainly a thing we've had with Marvel shows before. So, yeah, they're all having their own growing pains. Nick Alexander. Thank you. Thank you for jumping in. Nick can't say no. I highly recommend reading the OMAC project for a fantastic checkmate story with Maxwell Lord. I feel like it's part of where this is going.

Okay, the OMAC project. All right that down. Thank you. I was going to say. This is a pretty cool-looking cover we got here on this. Thank you. Thank you, Nick Hoggander. I only got in Salvation Run.

I didn't get any checkmates up. And admittedly, all three of us were like, I don't know what that is. But it's easier to kind of draw, yeah. There are going to be some kind of watchdog. Yeah. If Amanda Waller's daughter is starting it. Yeah, I wish that whole thread had been stronger, too.

But, like, I get where it was coming from. And, like, the two scenes we had with her trying to be a private eye, certainly set that up. So, plus everything. They kept going back in the recaps to be like, you'd outed your mom on national TV. And also, there are a couple times it's clear you want to start your own side hustle.

And so thus we set up checkmate. And I get thematically, probably what it must be for. But I felt like she was just trying to start a business. I didn't get the sense. It was for a sense of doing better or good in the world. Did you? I didn't. Honestly, if you did, then, that's awesome.

I did not. In the most general of ways. I'm like knowing who this character is and knowing vaguely what we're looking at here. I think that's where we're headed. Yeah. We should disable the Super Chat. No more can be allowed in anymore.

We will continue through with the rest that we have done. But if you want to send a sticker, you can send a sticker. Thank you. If you want. All right, let's get us back in action here. We've got Lompster Two Eyes Only, Brody. Here we go.

Nick Alexander and Jay is up next Jay thank you for chiming in watched the finale last night I'm not as down on the episode as I see from others and would give it a 7 out of 10 still excited to see it

where Man of Tomorrow goes That's really good Yeah Roxy actually brought up a really excellent point that when we watch stuff we're intentionally watching with the intention to review it

You know, we're there to discuss it, and we care to. We don't want to be people, like, part of what we care about is we want to actually provide commentary afterwards. And a commentary you can stand by. Definitely. And not only be there to talk for a minute or two, you know. And if some people don't give a shit, you know, like, I don't want, I don't want, I, that's, that's, I don't want, I, that's, that's, that's. This is a personal preference for us Because we want to be able to be like

All right, we might be talking for 30 to 40 minutes About this piece maker season two finale right now You know Instead of like, yeah, five, ten minutes, you know And the average person in the real world Will just move on with their fucking life Right afterwards, you know? Well, it isn't watching in as granular of a fashion

And isn't like, not pressuring themselves But they're not sitting there going, I got to lock it Yeah, you know, you can lock in casually at home or in a more relaxed fashion whereas if you're on camera you're locked in in a more focused fashion yeah and you're um and there's less reflection happening on the experience overall can immerse in a different way yeah so i might be giving it as a higher rating too if uh i had just watched it at home yeah there's there is a difference there but that's also not to say that dilutes enjoyability because i think absolutely i think there is i think there is

I think sometimes I enjoy things more because we do a reaction video. Because I have to be more observant. Yeah, I was just thinking of that. I was like, in some ways, the goal is to be your best sort of both emotional and critical self. You know, you want to have like a well articulated opinion about what you just saw because that's part of the fun of why we're here. But you, yeah, you, when I sit down and watch a movie here, I am, yeah, the most locked in. I'm like, I want to have fun, obviously, and I want to be open to what this is giving me. but I also, yeah, I feel an onus to, yeah, observe as much as I can

and to have my kind of octopus arms engaged to catch, like, okay, what's the cinematography doing? What's the acting doing? What's the writing doing? And you catch a different amount each time. But yeah, like, I'm not going to get distracted. I'm not going to look, get up and go get something. I'm not going to check my phone.

Yeah. Yeah. So I think in a lot of ways it helps. And just, yeah, it's like any criticism is going to fall into that weird trap of like, you're too critical that like the whole point of being here is to like yeah it's a weird part like well that's what we're fucking if you don't want to engage with the fun of a criticism back and forth conversation then you just we just don't have to talk about this then am i don't have to listen to this am i wrong about this uh when i say this is that if you hear

us pray something for 30 minutes that is also coming from the critical brain yeah totally right yeah it's an assessment you know but but you get but you get called you're too critical if you're leaning a little more if you're leaning more negative yeah when i'm like but if we're positive for 30 minutes it's the same brain it's the same critical brain you can be enthusiastic in a critical fashion yes you can gain enthusiasm for critically thinking about something and getting a rewarding answer out of that yeah so yeah so if i if if i said this if people said about us on our superman talk yeah they could easily say the same thing like you're too critical you mean because of how positive yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you have too many well-defined reasons for your feelings be they positive or negative yeah

and it's i guess it's easier to have the positive stuff because it i don't know is i think it's i don't know actually like there's positives and negative hits you there are slow release ones and immediate release ones and i don't know yeah and everybody the thing is people at home get critical about shit too and i think we all forget that sometimes we go online just to see other people who like stuff and forget about the roulette wheel about like maybe they won't i mean i watch it with some people where all that we really do is just make fun of shit and then we fucking end up loving it's the bonding experience it's part of the thing you just make fun of stuff when you're watching it fucking olivian i do that constantly we just make fun of something even we're super into

a movie it doesn't make fun of something but that doesn't mean we're like fucking yeah whatever yeah i i 100% feel you though and some people are not about that like that like Silhouetted animator. Thank you for chiming in again. I like this question. Do you think they are also setting up some DCU version of The Light from Young Justice, puppeting a lot of the organizations like Argus, Lord Tech, etc? Yes, I could see them doing that.

James Gunn seems to be sent up a lot of like different groups. The Light is like, they like manipulate. on a global level and get involved in like is i guess the word would be like intergalactic or interplanetary um affairs are they like an illuminati honestly i'm going off a very vague memory my my brain is not like coys when it comes to the comic world my a lot of times my stuff is like i remember that clearly to i remember this in passing but no like there there are like members in there that we have seen already um uh lex luther and and i razzal gul ray shall gul razzal did you guys comment on that i haven't seen the video no we did that but uh ray shall gul and i have said

that i think batman brave and the bold should start off establishing lazarus pit and rachel ghoul does exist or rachel gul did exist hell yeah because that would immediately convey to our audience who a lot of people didn't know who Rosalgole was until Nolan's trilogy he's not really one they put in a lot of live action stuff because of the weirdness behind him he actually plays a really significant role

I forget I just remember this right now he plays a really significant role I think in season three of Arrow where it's like fucking Oliver Queen goes over there and he's fucking Lazarus pitted up and shit and he's like I think Razol Gould's like it's been so long I think Razol Gould is like one of the I think he's the main villain of season three, I believe.

Oh, that's fun. I mean, they're in the animated movies, too. There's some really fun Rosal Ghoul, Lazarus Pit. Sometimes people just go to see Raich Al-Gul to use the Lazarus Pit for stuff that he's not even, like, directly involved with. Yeah, yeah. Vandal Savage, who has his own little weird subsection happening in the comic I read last night. We've been talking for a while. Salvation.

Vandal Savage, he's part of the last one. light at times, I believe. And there's like other characters I really don't recall. I have here The Light's latest iteration has Ultra Humanite, Clarion, Lex Luthor, Vandal Savage, Queen Bee, Deathstroke, and

Zviad Boazavi. The Light, according to the Young Justice Wiki, in its current incarnation, yeah. In its current incarnation, a council comprised of self-proclaimed enlightened members, whose primary goal is to precipitate mankind

kind's next evolutionary step, thus placing it on center stage of the cosmos. The first version of the light was formed in the second millennium, BCE, by Vandal Savage and Ishtar. Well, they're usually, they're called the light, and it's usually consisted of people who are not good, but people who are not good that consider themselves misunderstand.

People who are progressive, progressing the world. Sure, okay. You know, which is very much like a Vandal Savage or a Rosal. but particularly at Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor. Heck yeah. All right. I sense a transition,

so I'm not going to throw that graphic up here. What I am going to do is throw it over to Alan Smithy. Thanks, buddy, for chiming in. Everybody's holding it down at these live streams. Prolific filmmaker. Happy Friday, Greg and John. Loved the This is the End reaction. Thank you very much.

Also loved the Us reaction. Thank you. I used to live in Santa Cruz, so that movie is very surreal to me. Oh, my. Have you been beneath the boardwalk? Did you find the spooky magician maze? Do we watch us together the first time, right? Straight up, I remembered the last shot with Lapita Nyango.

Looking at the boy. I did not remember the twist, though. Do you remember the twist? that it's red or they apparently like I'm totally gonna spoil I'm totally gonna spoil us

if you're gonna fucking see that they apparently when when she encountered her as a little girl they switched she switched them out I was like

what I was like fucking mind blown watching this and I'm like whoa I don't even recall it's like such a big twist I don't even fucking remember this after

so little untethered but did it just raised so many fucking questions and I was like wait a minute I'm like even more

confused this journey and I'm going, did I have these same complaints when I watch this movie? Us is definitely, I remember when we first saw it, I feel like it definitely is a more, and I don't mean this as a slight, but it is like the more, it's the most like, the dark eye rises

at the fucking joy appeal trilogy, honestly. It's the most obtuse and the hardest to define. And it's really effective which makes it sort of, which makes the subtext all the

more compelling, even though it's hard at points to decipher. It's when the explanations come in when you're like, wait a minute, this doesn't make any sense now that I'm reflecting on this experience. Is this a one-to-one motion? What happens if there's a wall

underground and you're not next to a wall? It doesn't have very spacious. Yeah, yeah, the mapping is quite one-to-one. And I understood you guys switch, but how did she gained autonomy in there? There's like things that happen. What happens to you down there?

Yeah, there's a lot of weird, It just started raising a bunch of questions. I would like to watch it again because it's one of those rare movies that I feel like... I almost feel like you didn't need the twist. I think the twist actually... The twist is like, whoa! But wait a minute. I feel like the twist is meaningful thematically.

And so I would need to, yeah, because it's been a minute since I've watched it. But it's one of those movies that's so good that you're always willing or I am always willing to be like, but maybe I'm just not looking at it right. Because it feels very... And it feels like the smartest one of the three, but there are things where you go like, but does this work? I compare to Dark Night Rises because Dark Night Rises is the first one of the three that breaks a lot of, that makes you question a lot of leaps and bounds and logic.

Sure. Yeah, yeah. And like Grant, it's like, yes, I understand the Batman movies are not real, but they do a good job. When did he have time to go paint that gasoline bathroom? up there and why did he take the time to do that to begin with it doesn't really do much it doesn't seem like the pageantry is worth as much as like he rallies the cops but they're all underground at this moment they can't see it's a message to the villains that he's back in the army that he gets are underground yeah so yeah how did he get there and and us has the same thing

where you're like oh the ideas good but wait you've established rules you should not established rules it is weird because because us is in ways i'm like far in a way this is the best of his films but i think it's oh really i don't know it's something it's a tonal thing and it's like how intricate and how it's one of those i i weirdly would meet you on like i think that first hour is like some of jordan peel's absolute best work yeah and it's like even if it does even if at the end of the day and i'm not saying this is the case but even if you rule it such that everything doesn't check out thematically. Like, it's swinging so hard and so broadly and so confidently that, like, even when I'm

like, I don't know if this makes sense, my brain's still, a little part of it goes, but I bet Jordan Peel knows. It just seems like he knows. And, like, Get Out's really good and, you know, it's earned its place, but I think it's, you know, it's a little more of a straightforward movie. And the Nope is like, I like a lot, and I think a lot of people kind of rank it as number three. Like it's fun and it's sinister and it's different

but it's also not the most thought provoking. Yeah. And so like it's it's a little more of a fun one with some cool stylistic elements and and his signature dread. But yeah, like the first two are more thoughtful than nope. So like you know

yeah, it's an interesting trio. I want to see him for how terrible it is. I know. Everyone's talking. It acts like it's the worst fucking thing of all time. I'm like, oh, I want to see what this is. But now he's like out here Like shit people think I directed this All right

Suvick Haldor Thank you for joining in the chat I think the Peacemaker's Season 2 finale It's kind of underwhelming and Anticlimactic I would give the episode a 6 out of 10 I would meet you out of 6 Yeah six Maybe I'll be generous and say 6 and a half

Because a couple of those emotional moments were gorgeous But I would give this season a 6 and a half Yeah Yeah, I want to say higher, but I feel like, yeah, for the ultimate, like, some of the parts, the hole, yeah. Yeah. It's weird. It's like, it's a six and a half hole with, like, some nine out of ten parts. I'm only just doing that to try to get some credibility that I don't love everything DC does.

You know, like, oh, if I just put this on the map for a while, people might think, like, I'm not chilling. I really don't realize it's all part of my master plan You're gonna have a shill counter Yeah You're gonna keep a shill counter When lanterns comes out I'm sucking the D

Of the Greenlandering Corps I hope that's good And I hope they adhere I've never seen True Detective But I hope they adhere to A structural format That feels like an HBO drama Tell you man

My dream is to just get high And catch up on all my shows Do it Fucking all the seasons Of True Detective I've only seen the first season Which is great it's fucking amazing i know i have not finished alien show what's a show called alien earth

i haven't finished alien earth and i haven't uh everyone's like forgo i hate that now i've seen fargo i'm like yeah it's a great movie no the show like why is the show the thing that people talk about now but not the movie yeah now when you say fargo people refer to the show that is kind of weird it's fucking bizarre Because it is one of the most beloved Cohen joints, and it's directly off-shooting that. It's directly referencing that. I almost don't want to watch the show because of that. I mean, I saw the first season.

It was quite as great as... It's definitely... In your opinion. I would need to go watch it again. I definitely remember being like, oh, yeah, this feels like unique kind of surreal TV. It's got that sort of Cohen-y-quirkiness, and it's... got a little bit of that sort of I haven't seen

Legion which I understand super dreamy and trippy and stuff like that but like the Fargo show has this sort of surreal kind of occasionally violent you know quirky character drama thing about it that's yeah it's yeah it's a

do we fuck up the audio again I don't think so you made sure to I'm looking at I see the way we have one I just realized we switch back so yeah we have a yeah the correct input and uh yeah the other ones are muted uh oh i love people's i'm looking at the chat right now with you guys talking about the uh uh the him and all that stuff in here oh yeah yeah i've like i've listened to so many reviews of him but i keep ducking out during spoilers like just in case just in case uh but yeah wait who's the leader of the light

i forget here sorry i'm trying to catch up on some of these comments but i appreciate you all right what's next up here Cool. We got Alex, thank you for chiming in. Predator is getting early access. What do you think goes through pick and choosing which films deserve early access screenings and which don't?

They have a lot writing on this movie. They do. Especially now that it's rated PG-13 for babies. Why don't we read Deadshot's question out loud too? And we'll kind of combine our conversation here. Hey, did you guys hear about Badlands being PG-13? First, I was concerned, but I do understand there's no humans in this movie. Yeah, I, okay, so thank you both Alex and Deadshot for these questions.

That was a kind of a thing with, it was one of those things where I heard it. I kind of get it weirdly, though. I believe in Dan Tractonburg so much. I do, too. Love Killer of Killers. Prey is not a popular, not the cool thing to say. it's my favorite one i like it more than the original predator pray is the one predator movie i actually want to hang out in for part of it yeah yeah i i i love i like pray more than the original

and it's not scarier than the original i think the original has a unique like unsettling horror to it yeah but i definitely care more about our main character than i do the characters and Even though I think they do pretty good characterization in Predator movies. No, I can take away what Predator is. I love Prey. As long as you acknowledge that it's important and it's pretty great, then you're allowed to say you prefer prey. Yeah, yeah.

But I personally prefer prey. And so I think Dan Tractonburg hasn't made a bad thing that I've seen so far. I'm excited he's doing episode of Stranger Things. Me too. I think he's a phenomenal director. Oh, I didn't even realize that. That's exciting. Yeah.

Hell yeah. And when I heard it was PG-13, I wasn't surprised because I'm like, yeah, it looks like it's a bunch of fucking creatures he's killing. Or he or she or she, I don't know what the predator is, but day. It looks like they're killing a bunch of fucking creatures. It's like, it's like Kongsco Island. There's a lot of violence in that movie, but it's a bunch of animals that are not real. Yeah, yeah, it's fantastical. You do like green blood and weird shit and you know it's fake so you can get away.

with it as opposed to obliterating a bunch of humans and creating like trophy skulls out of them and shit but even in prey they're killing animals but they're real animals like a wolf and a bear and you're on earth

and you're on earth and they are killing humans so it's pretty gory but this is a fucking fictional world and so yeah it doesn't surprise me and does neither you are that's the question is it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100 is. There is something to it where you do associate there's a different emotional association mentally that happens with an R rating versus a non-R, a PG-13 rating. Yeah, yeah.

There's something that feels like did they somewhat strip this down? Even though I immediately go, well, that makes sense. Because why would it be? Maybe they would force an R rating. you know this is the first time in maybe ever i've i've this thought occurred to me this isn't necessarily true it could be completely false but this seems like one of the rare occasions where

maybe they just made the movie shipped it off to the mpa and they made what they wanted to make as brutally as they want to make it and got it back and they were like yeah pg 13 because i'm like you know it's it's like that thing you know there's the cheat code where you can like have green blood in moral combat or whatever, just to, you know, tone down the harsh. And I feel like, you know, in this context, I could absolutely imagine them just doing what they want with a bunch of green predator goo and white, you know, synthetic blood milk, whatever that is and just, yeah, not having to deal with it. This is where I don't, I really don't know if it's like a studio mandate thing or not, because we have to remember what happened with the predator franchise.

They were all theatrical releases. They were all theatrical releases. And then a really terrible one came out that was a heavily studio done. And that was a hard R, right? That was a hard R. Yeah, because Thomas Jane's constantly Touretzzing swear words. That's why it's hard. Just that thing.

That was just gory, too. And then they do pray. which is straight to streaming. And like, oh shit, this is the one everyone loves after so many fucking years. Like,

this is the one. And then Predator Killer, Killer, The same out. That Intractor has to prove he's not just a one-off guy. Perrier fans end up really loving it because that's like fucking for Predator fans.

And also quite gory. Like, prey is accessible for everyone. Yeah. Pregrary Killer, killers, like, if you like,

you know, comic-booky shit, you're going to like this. But the trailer, or badlands aren't being like from the director or predator killer of killers and prey you know it's if they say prey because pray's the live action one that people love and it is something there's something really cool that i don't feel like it's enough credit is that predator badlands they are advertising from the director of prey that's a straight to streaming movie when do you ever see that yeah totally on these

giant trailers in the theaters from the director of prey it shows how that shows how much people love prey crossed over and that doesn't often happen with streaming movies never I don't know when that ever happens you don't know like when the director of birdbox or some shit you know or red notice you like you don't see that there wasn't a particular like you know maybe a few people wanted but yeah not the same kind of like people I feel like we're out here like pray should be played in a theater yeah yeah like yes pray had that effect and then badlands though is their first theatrical predator movie after two streaming movies so I'm sure that Disney umbrella

is like we need to get a little more you need some seats in this so we need to make sure if there's PG-13 and if it's a fucking Zla CGI. Uh,

uh, yeah, but then also sometimes when there's an R rating it actually does better. However, this trailer also seems to have more like of a sense of humor

like the Dakota fanning Android character. Like I, we skipped the last trailer because I didn't want to see when we were trailers. And then we have, we had the Tron-Aries event.

And then they played the trailer. Oh, no. It's like, oh, man, I'm trying to start scripted it. Now you got all sorts of ideas. They didn't say they're going to play an IMAX trailer. They normally just the screening. I mean, did the trailer feel appropriately brutal? I'm super excited for the movie.

I think it's going to be really cool. Okay. But it does have a PG-13 vibe. Okay. That is the secret ingredient I am fascinated by. Because wasn't, was one of, it was AVP the first? Davey P.P.G. 13 or something. Yeah, that's because it's their fucking...

But they do kill off humans, but they don't show up. The movie's like, people love that movie. Like, it grew up popularity. Yeah, and they have all that guy. I'm just waiting for the, you know, like, rated PG-13 for intense violence and goo or whatever. But, like, I do agree that there is something about knowing something is R-rated that just makes it feel dangerous

or edgy or whatever, and PG-13 makes it seem like it's going to be juvenile and kidified. And my hope is that it's weird. I'm like, part of me goes, well, how much violence could you get away with now? Because green blood only goes so far. If you're ripping open some alien creature's chest cavity and pulling out the bones and it's, you know, ostensibly bleeding its own version of that, then I can see how that's not going to do 100% of the protection there.

And it does, I don't know, because partly, too, it doesn't seem like the kind of movie that would have to be majorly expensive because you have your predators, your main effect. and if they're going to be on this like forest planet of sorts you know mainly that's in locations so and you know cg and bell measurements here and there but it's like are we going to have a hundred predators on screen like a constantly so is this going to be like a majorly expensive effects movie and that's why they're doing it because that gets me worried but if it's just like yeah we had this story that's like not super heavy on on bodies on screen literally characters on screen and we have, you know, again, green and white blood profiles to use, then, yeah, I could imagine a version where they just did what they wanted to and it's fine. But I am also a little, I'm curious, I guess I would say.

I'm not like worried because Dan Tractorberg's two out of three in this arena and part of me is like, well, if this is what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it, I'm willing to entertain that wholeheartedly. And that's, I guess, what I want to know. But I guess the one thing is I don't, as an audience member, I don't want to whiff. I don't want the slightest scent to go off that, oh, they had to tone this scene. You don't want any explanation that this got nerfed as a concession to, and I think it would be, it's weird. I get why making something PG-13 and toning down some of the violence will help your bottom line. But I feel like you have to, if you're Disney, be smart enough to know that one thing predators always had is brutality and violence. And that's what people come for.

you know that's what they're here for so yep i don't know i don't know i'm not worried but i'm curious all right eddie rios oh thank you edie thanks for chiming in i just want to share some love for y'all uh for your all your content guys keep on keep it on thank you same to you appreciate that glad this stream panned out i'll give you a little behind the scenes knowledge i spent almost four hours trying to figure out what the fuck to do this is true dude i have worked so many titles i researched so many stories jonathan majors is kang and then at two in the morning when i was looking at like a bunch of different thumbnails i was like you know what if we just focus on one story after all that

you don't want to talk about how sad jason blum is for not getting the texas chainsaw rights i was more interested in talking about jason blum's fucking weird ass ai comments oh goody that was the one that i was like i rarely a coil about things. Really not. Like most boys like 99% of the time limit. Like all AI we rejected. Tron Airy's diatram.

I thought it was so funny. I love, I love hearing it. I love hearing coins like fucking like the rage that it comes out of him. And you know, I do have concerns about AI but like any tiny bit of AI coins. And he's not absolutely rightfully so. Like sure.

But then Jason Bubb did say something like, Oh, man, dude, I would not, I don't know what context. This statement you just said is, it's cool. Oh, no. What did he say? Yeah, I'm trying to find it right now. He said something that I was like, dude, why'd you say that? Whatever you feel about AI, it's here to stay.

It's very important to use it ethically and legally. And for the studios and the guilds to protect the copyright of the artist. But if we in Hollywood stick our heads in the sand and don't use it at all, we're going to seed content creation to other people. He should have ended there. oh no it's the one sentence he said that I was like dude what did you just say the consumer

does not care if what they're looking at is AI we've got to embrace it but ethically and legally the consumer keen eyed about this stuff and do seem to care once the head of a major

movie studio is saying the consumer does not care of what they're looking at is AI bluntly saying that this is like this is this is this is like this sounds like a big conceding statement like there's a part of this I agree to of yeah you mean if you if you can't completely avoid it you got to adapt in some way to it but you got to have boundaries in place and there's like a difference between like open AI and generative AI not and some people just assume if it's AI it's bad but there's like no there's different levels

and variations to it and the and the and the name is applied broadly yeah it's like the work fucking woke you know like it's like thrown around like very broadly applied to a lot of different it's fucking flippant in the way it's used and but this statement I'm like no dude no people do care and they find out and they can tell remember when secret invasion came out and everyone was like what the hell is this opening thing and and even if you think it

looks kind of neat you thought it was great It looked cool. We were praising the shit out of it. It looked very cool, but you can also tell it has that warbly, constantly morphing thing. And even that, I'm like, maybe some people like it, but people notice and they do care. Yeah. And the further we get into this and the more conversations get had. And, like, somebody, Albania or somebody just appointed an AI, like, delegate to their government.

Yeah. It was a fascinatingly strange times. But yeah, I do think people care. Like George Miller's comment, I think, is one of the better nuanced ones where he said it's the most dynamically evolving tool in making movies. It's here to stay and change things, but he adds that it will never have that human essence. And that's the whole point of, especially with filmmaking, even with animation, though. Like, that's why I think hand-drawn hits in a different way

because there's a human element behind that that you feel. Like some of my favorite anime movies are computer animated, but there's a hand-drawn element where there's a sense that someone, a human hand put a fucking pencil to paper on this. You know? You can feel the ingenuity and you can feel the effort that it took. It's like watching the cool thing about watching so many older movies here at the channel is you get these opportunities.

Anytime you watch an older movie, appreciate just how many artists aligned their visions and combined their crafts to make this thing. And movie magic is very product-minded to seed those elements over to AI. It's like, you know, if we're making graphics for something or we're making an interlude or something, you should always, I feel like, get someone whose art it is to make them if you're making stuff on any kind of scale that's, you know, got some money behind it. Like, what makes movies magic, what makes movie magic is knowing that a bunch of people, you know, tried really hard to solve some problems and to make some cool stuff and they did it. Yeah. You know, and I'm trying to think there have been so many movies recently that I've seen from the past where it's like, God, everything is firing and everything is, you know, you can feel the effort that went into this. Whereas with AI, it doesn't feel like effort. Yeah. You know, and it might be a cool image. It might be fine. And you might see a movie with a bunch of other human crafted things. handcrafted things that has some AI on it or whatever but like I think the more you

like people are talking about I remember one of the AI CEOs was like yeah you know one thing we want to do with like AI music creation is like remove the barriers some people you know just really don't enjoy like sitting down and like working at an instrument forever and like trying to spend forever thinking about how a song goes together and I'm like the whole process if you don't enjoy the process don't fucking do the thing like don't it's not the same if you sit down. You are not a passionate musician. If you sit down and you're like, I need to get this song out five minutes. Let me type down a prompt. Like, then you're not doing the art and movies, yes, are all commercial art is tied up in being a product. And so that's

why this is an issue. But like, you have to respect that this is a reason to get a bunch of craftsmen together to do a craft. Yeah. And yeah, I think people do notice that spiritually, even if it's not something you can always put your finger directly on. That's why an animated movie like that stands out. We watched the original Alice in Wonderland and you're just like, damn, this is

just a feat of art and a magic. Watching recently, it'll be around some point, but like watching Pan's Labyrinth was fucking amazing because like that movie is like a piece of art. You're like, there are movies, and then you're like,

this is a piece of art. art. And there's CG here and there where it's appropriate. There's a bunch of real ingenuity on screen. And like that is something that AI can never give you. You know, especially if you just generate a movie for your freaking studio bottom line. Like. Yeah. Fucking A. A. Hi. Man. Strange days. All right. We got like 20 more. All right. Speed round. Quint and Anthony Anderson. That was going to be a story of the day. So anyway. I think the issue. is that Gunn, usually, is best as a... Hold on.

All right. I think the issue is that Gunn is usually his best as a change of pace tone, not the overall tone setter. His style is very particular and not for everyone. I kind of see what you mean. So, like, something like Guardians coming out amid the Marvel, you know, journey makes it more fresh and interesting

because you're adding this infusion of quirkiness and humor. Whereas, yeah, making him the bedrocky. rock of something. I don't know. I could see that as being a hazard, but I feel like the way that he has embraced the format and the feeling of comics is a really interesting thing. And a good sourdough bread starter for a universe like this,

even if I agree that, yeah, like his vibe is quite specific. But those are some of the most successful Marvel movies, so his specific vibe must appeal to a lot of people. I don't know if it's more about tone. I really, I think the issue came down to literal, like, just fucking telling a story. Like, I don't think it's a tone problem.

No. I feel like what he's done with Peacemaker, the season two tone is, I don't think that season two tone is unique for that in terms of the James Gunn pantheon. I'm like, yeah, I've seen this kind of tone from James Gunn before. And I don't think the tone is the problem.

Yeah, that's it. That's what I mean. It's not really the tone problem. or the paste tone problem it is too many things to cook with and uh yeah and i mean superman is very james gun but it's also a different tone that is more appropriately flagship you know broadly appealing yeah and you know uh i think the way he leans into that different side of him is why it works that's what i mean by like leaning in even that movie like you don't have to go all fucking political and draw these allegories with the wars in real life but he'd certainly leaned in

heavily embraced this certain type of cheesy optimism that really spoke volumes to a lot of people. Got to get that tone unified. Captain Fernandez, thank you for chiming in. I think Gunn is mashing up Salvation and the center from the New Frontier as the first big bad of the DCU. The New Frontier.

What's the New Frontier? Oh, my goodness, DC, the New Frontier. comic book series set in the 1950s. It's a limited comic book series written and drawn by Darwin Cook, published by DC Comics in 2004.

Let's see. Isn't there an animated movie? Maybe. Let's see. Oh, and I can see why you would say that. I mean, they have that one point where they go to that zombie planet, which is like colonial. But it's not the same era.

as the new frontier, but... Yeah. Oh, this looks cool. I suppose you could do that. I'm really lacking, lacking my brain and the racking of the brain at the moment. Set between 1945 and 1960,

tracing the decline of the so-called golden age and beginning of the silver age of comic books. Golden age characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman. Silver age characters such as Martian Man, Hunter, Green Lantern, and the Flash. See, this kind of stuff? I have the hardest time

as I hop around comics so much that I am that's where I really have a big gap is is being like silver age bronze age in this era that era this continuity I have the hardest time

being like I don't honestly know like which version that is I just I just zigzag around and I commit to one and I finish it so like what age are you get gave me a mission like

read Salvation Run in the next two hours I'll do it I'll read the whole thing but I have no idea where the DC timeline this is in the comics golly

it'd be cool to see them hop around different timelines and stuff like that but yeah I can see that definitely seems like swaths of the canon are going to be culled

and pitted against each other and whatnot so yeah oh let's see some tributes of the right stuff in this novel and paying homage to the

era of culture and political turmoil which ushered in the presidency of JFK seems potent, seems possible, as long as they keep that commentary on track. Love to see it. Let's get them in the 50s. Alex, thank you for chiming in.

Once again, any plans to do an out-of-the-the-the-the-the-the-ter reaction for Roofman? Nope. Zero percent plans. No Channing Tatum. Nope. No. But I'm excited. I don't know anything about it.

I only seen the poster, and I'm like, what is this? Is this a sequel to The Pool Man? I don't know if I'm going to like that movie at all. What is it? I don't even remember who made it. It's a story about a criminal who hides in a supermarket or something. Okay. And Peter Dinklage is in it.

Oh, it's by the guy, the place beyond the Pines guy. Oh, Clarence Lamont. Derek Seinfrance or I don't know how to say it. I forgot. Sainfins. Oh, he did like Blue Valentine, too. Yeah. Yeah, this movie does not feel like those movies.

This one looks really fun. It's not like the most depressing time in my anxiety. Yeah, I'll have to watch Blue Valentine one day. That's what art is. It's sad. Art is sad. I have found myself just gravitated towards stuff that can be like dark, but fucking entertaining. Yeah.

I am like so past this. stage in my i'm just not there anymore i've noticed my talk to me phase or my oh like people keep saying bring her back i'm like i just don't know if i want to sit through that i don't know if i want to be that miserable just that's so just to concede that this is good we did a good job like it's the number one thing i i don't think i've heard anybody say other ways this is really well done it's really heavy and i'll ever want to see it again like i think blue valentine is have you seen it no oh my god it is it is one of the best acted movies i've ever seen sure and because what it's doing is is telling two i mean this is a promotion for the director

of roofman to answer your question he he's telling two stories the story of how these two men and fell in love oh and this story of what's leading to ultimately they're them potentially breaking up i get like as a married couple so it's telling two different timelines and it's cutting back and forth, it is one of the best act in movies I've ever seen, undoubtedly, because when they're telling the love story, it is so engrossing, you've loved them so much, you completely forget you're going to be cutting back to another story of how fucking miserable these two are. So you really fucking are like, you love these two.

And you're about to get crushed by these two. And you just know where it's going. And it's so real. And it's not only real in the breakup of what's happening with them. It's so real in them fall and how they're falling in love. It is one of the best act in movies. It's a brilliant movie. I've seen it twice.

And I has one as forgetful as I am with movies. I mean, there's a lot of details. I don't really recall. But there's enough experience with that film. but I'm like, oh yeah, there's shit I'm not going to ever forget that of me witnessing that. That's why I like Shelby Oak so much

as not like a thing that is just, I'm not fucking shilling for Chris here. Like I've had problems for the I think I do think like the last 10 to 15 minutes had some issues for sure.

But I'm so happy that the movie was like fucking irritating because I half expected like, all right, here we go. Oh man's making his art house. fucking movie It's fucking neon

And I'm sure it's gonna be like a Depressing assed hour time Like fucking serious art horror Which is something like I love those movies Babaduke invitation hereditary There's some Oh shouts out the Babaduke and the invitation

Yeah man Invitation to me One of my faves One of my faves as well Shouts out earlier question And but So I was so relieved When I was like

This movie's fucking entertaining And that's when I told it After the movie I was like The one thing I was expecting, man Is how entertaining this movie is Hell yeah He laughed because I was like

No, that's not what I got from the trailers I thought it was going to be like Look how fucking serious But the movie is really entertained I thought it was a very entertaining movie And I was so relieved to be sitting there And then also get scared Which is like hard

You know That's why I love weapons Yeah Because weapons could have easily been That's why I love Jack Krieger's voice a lot. Yeah. Because both barbarian and weapons are, you know, heavier in theme and shit, and they're

fucking twisted and dark. So sinister, but they're freaking hilarious. Yeah, and they're so entertaining. That's why I love Eddington. Yeah. Well, and two, we were talking about, and it won't be a long diatri, but talking about devil's rejects earlier, I was like, this could easily be the kind, and for some people, I'm sure it is.

But, like, this is the kind of movie that should be like, I don't need to watch this again. but like there's something about it that is entertaining somehow and it's like kind of funny and like yeah even something like that you can make anything entertaining minus maybe a couple of subject matters like even the darkest dourist you know movie you can make entertaining in its own way i don't know if you could ever make like assault like a story about like sexual assault i don't think so if like the story itself you know is entertaining and i i have a hard time getting on board for um this is me not trying to i'm not i just i get really vis i get really uncomfortable by it i always have like die i i i can't i i never watch i spit on your grave um that's like like true exploitation cinema yeah i i like the remake of last i've seen the original i think both of the original and the second remake of last house on the left yeah and um i like the remake but i don't think i ever

would watch it again i could sooner rewatch the remake but yeah like it's predicated on something so nasty yeah the movie revenge which is from the director of the substance that's another one where i remember being like it isn't cool shit but there's just something about that particular subject that's rooted in that red sparrow that those kind of films there's something about that

that where that's the thing is like I just don't find I can't really draw entertainment no that's a totally fair point honestly and then you certain movies you wonder who does

and that's and you worry they've made like four eyes spit on your grave movies not to mention that they like rebooted it like you know it's wild to imagine this is a genre like a franchise and like I get that for I don't imagine that it's survivors who are fueling that.

Like, I'm sure for some survivors, it is very cathartic to see a movie like that, but it's such a, yeah, like, that is the kind of movie that is never not going to be just, like, nasty and harsh. Even when it's, like, like, Pulp Fiction, Serentino's probably my favorite guy, like writer-director, and even with Pulp Fiction,

that, the one storyline of Bruce Willis and being Rames, dark as, I have a hard, hard time sitting through that one storyline it's intimately dark yeah yeah and that movie's wildly entertaining it's like a fucking classic yeah but this one start i'm a really hard it's one of the most parody moments too is that weird is that funny yeah well and too and and yeah in a movie like that's like there's so much else to come back to that's really enjoyable but you can't not discard that bit of discomfort of like oh there's a part of this movie i will always have to brace for I think my weird exception, if I had, if I said, if I was like totally honest to myself about an exception, it would be Kill Bill volume one.

Like, I forget that. Like, oh yeah, that's a part of the movie. Yeah. Being. Yeah. Brutalized. I don't want to use the word grape. This is stupid to me.

But yeah, that it's like, PDF. That's happening while she's unconscious for a couple years, you know. And I forget that. But I guess that's like the one movie where I. I'm like not happy when it's in the movie but there's a I guess I can still find that movie incredibly entertaining from beginning and even with this element

I guess that might be the one there's way more stuff about Kill Bill I guess is the thing like something like I spit on your grave is very much like we have this very specific premise that's easy to get on board for the carnage of and we're just going to go where it's like Kill Bill has like lore and a world and it's multimedia

media and there's so much. And it's bolstered by the fact that the tone is camp to a degree. So it's like And with Irman doesn't even seem that bother. Well, there's also, yeah, there's the fact that she comes from a world

where this is more common than a regular person's world, certainly and probably knows that these methods are methods employed by people you know, in these criminal orbits. So like there's an element of disillusionment. The character doesn't have go through. It's like her innocence isn't

being tainted and robbed at this point because she's a friggin' assassin. And not to say it's a good thing or a justifiable thing or whatever, but like her journey is different than what a lot of that kind of R&R movie does, which is like, oh, you know, innocent person preyed upon by

vile evil fiends and decides to take manners into their own hands. Like that is a very grim, dark catharsis. And that's like in the kill bill soup, but there's so much other stuff. And there's so much other nuance and contemplation and it's it's not

for an exploitation movie it's not being like a super exploitation movie about that in specific yeah so it's like it is yeah one of the rare occasions where you're like this is part of it and that's not not a thing to acknowledge but also yeah it's not I yeah it

it is like the the outlier of that whole genre I know we get a lot of like trigger warnings for content stuff now but when we watch things that is one where I'm completely like, thank you for giving a heads up, you know. I was like, I've never been, I've never had that happen to me. And I'm not a woman.

And it's usually in the movies, it happens to women. And I'm just here as like a guy. It's just, dude, I have the, it's like the thing I will remember. Like, I think of a girl with a dragon tattoo and as great of a movie as that is. I think of one particular scene always every time I think of that movie. There's just something about. that um have you seen that movie no everyone was really

jazzed up about it when it came out and I couldn't develop interest it's really good I'm sure I'd be I'd be interested in that movie that like this is what I think I think oh do we really need that scene I have heard yeah there's there's something about that and like when River was another one I was like

it's a great movie and then there's this one moment and my mind constantly when I think about that movie so yeah there's just something about showing it It's really hard to justify. That's probably why if I can kill Billy, they don't show it. This is part of it, yeah. The context is enough most of the, it's weird. There's a lot of stuff.

I'll be like, go ahead, show it, whatever. But that in particular is one thing where I'm like, I'll never say never, but it doesn't often seem like we really need to do this. And a lot of things in the moment it's happening, it's really easy to feel like you're lingering too long and maybe on the wrong things. Yeah. I will never watch that irresistible movie I'll never watch that I'll never watch that nothing that could ever get me to watch that movie

someone brought the tunnel scene into a film class I had it was the wildest like is the cinematography class we ought to bring in a sequence and break it down yeah and somebody brought that sequence in and I was like this is the boldest thing you could have chosen and I'm fascinated that you did I had a yeah I heard that director talking about like

actually during the whole time they were like laughing and they like okay that's fucking weird like what the way you're talking about this context that sounds even worse I'm glad this was yeah I'm glad the set was a positive

place to be at the same time yeah I'm like laughing I don't know like if you said like everyone felt safe and we were all very like you know sort of gentle about it I'm like cool you know if you're laughing more power to you guys but that's not exactly I hope you're not taking the scene lightly, I guess, is all.

And I think a lot of time when it happens in a movie to a woman, it's from the director nine times out of ten as a guy. Yes. It's usually the writer-directed. The writer-director-backer. You know, so it is used for, like, the cheap effect, you know? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I guess that's what makes something like a vengeance more compelling.

But, you know, it's also there, it's... it's usually from the perspective of a guy and then sometimes you'll have it from the perspective of a lady with a lot of guyish tendencies. I feel like it's hard to get one that's like really from the feminine perspective that really like

justifies its existence wholly. Then again, I haven't seen vengeance. I've heard a lot of back and forth discussion of revenge, sorry. I've heard a lot of back and forth discussion about it in this context and some people like it. Some people don't like it. I'm curious to find out.

But it is one of the rare examples of that, yeah, is helmed by a woman creator instead of a guy who's like, what would be a cool lady action movie? It's got to be something like this. Well, there's something that feels a little spiritual about it. Oh, interesting. If I recall. Okay.

I saw one time. But it doesn't feel like, I mean, it feels real when the moment happens. But after when the, you know, the shape. you show up for the action and everything goes down. The revenge. There's something that does feel like yeah, something reborn kind of vibe.

Yeah, interesting. Well, I could okay, yeah. We won't go on tangents. Well, here we are, because you asked about Roofman, which led to Blue Valentine's which somehow led to saying we want entertaining movies and not super dark things, which led to us

saying how we really don't like sexual assault in our movies. And then how the fuck did this is one question. I think this all stem from the fact that we didn't have any content to provide for this one question about Rufant. Oh, we found the content, baby. So we just spiraled out of control. We found the content. Like, what the fuck just happened here? We have zigged around so bad.

To Charlie's Flicksfix in the chat, I would say memes can definitely be an art form. Uh, but yes, let's get on to the. next question. No, no, no, we haven't read that one. Oh, yes. Eddie Rios, my bad. All right, here we go. Since we're entering this new DCU, been rewatching Justice League animated series. Nice. And I was wondering if you guys have considered watching it like you did with Spectacular Spider-Man at some point. Probably not, honestly. You know, um... Talk to Andrew Gordon about it, though. He loves that show, and he will, he will remind you any chance he gets. Yeah, yeah. That's Andrew's personality, man. Yeah, he...

Loves that, and I don't know if I've ever seen it. I don't know if I've ever seen it. I've seen the whole Batman show. I've seen the whole Superman show. I don't think I've ever seen the Justice League anime show. I don't know if I ever... Which puts them together, which you seem like, ah, it's a no-brainer.

You should definitely watch that. I don't know if I knew until he told me, or you guys told me. Like, growing up, I feel like I was aware of a lot of these shows because I watched like Batman and Spider-Man and stuff like that. But I didn't realize there was a Justice League show when I was a child. You did or die. It's crazy. Um, but I appreciate your interest in that.

Heck yeah, Eddie Rios. Alex is back. However, at this particular moment of time, probably not. All right, Alex. My jockey, move this thing, should you like that? Back in black. What are your guys' reaction when Tom Holland got injured on set a few weeks back? I laughed.

Ha, ha. Some Spider-Man. You real Spider-Man wouldn't get a concussion on set. Yeah. My back. My back. That's going to be my head. The whole movie, my head.

my reaction is that they're probably making it sound worse than it actually is that was my first thought that's why we didn't really make a whole thing about it it's part of the narrative of the show of the movie I think if he was like truly severely injured in a way that was very detrimental

everyone would have heard about it in a much more groundbreaking way instead of like if you happen to follow this you might have heard this if he was gravely injured somehow yeah I would be very I would be more concerned but I don't even know what the injury was because that's the thing a lot of times when people get injured on sets you chalk it up so I got it must have nothing like giant stun and a lot of times it's not something can be very just I thought he like bonked his head

doing some kind of thing I thought he got like I thought they said he got a concussion but I'm not totally sure you can be scared you can get like brain aneurisms out of like something very slight dude yeah yeah I'm always like any time people get bonked on the head I'm worried about it I'm glad he's okay, though. I think they're going right back to it, right? They must be now, I think. Didn't they just post something? They're always posting something.

I wasn't too concerned about it, if I mean, totally honest. I mean, I'm happy for him that he's back in the swing of things. Yeah. All righty. Hey, Jose, don't worry about it. Love the Batman Begins Commentary. Oh, thank you. A lot of comments shouting that out.

Will Greg and Coy be doing the Spider-Men movies next, or splinter off to individuals? individual movies we have Avatar which I know is what everyone's demanding and Koi is going to be great for that

he loves those movies Avatar 2 and 3 are I've already been Avatar 3 in that category of like there's I remember people thinking a way of water might flop because there's just generating

no real excitement and then it made billions of dollars I think Avatar 3 is going to be the same way no one seems to really give a shit And it's been a minute. But once it comes out, it's going to make billions of dollars.

Yeah. It's just a given with that franchise because, yeah, I watched. That was another trailer I was avoiding. It came out and I didn't even hit up John about covering. I was like, nah, I don't have to do. And then they played the trailer. Oh, no. And I was like, I'm trying to avoid these trailers.

No. But even that. Is it good? It looks good, but it doesn't have the way of water when they did that. trailer it look like holy shit we're doing something different with water yeah whereas there's not as much different stuff to do it's fire you guys get here Andrew and Andrew's watching some episode of Game at Thrones with Territ right now and he just went oh my god holy shit screen recording season two right now right now they're on season two or I think so

yeah I'm lost track of the schedule um yeah there I like that you get a little bit bit of the atmosphere the rest of the studio atmosphere i'm glad he gets to use it too for that um but no i i might do the spider-man movies well i wait a little bit closer to some spider-man movies but we've been kind of fond we were just just going to do like a couple batman movies and then we just oh fuck it's commit to the whole thing let's do the batman yeah we're kind of just following the vibe erin i did a one-off ready player one like that wasn't even planned uh as i thought erin hadn't seen it before and i was like oh you have well i've been a while for me so let's turn to us on a commentary

if we're not having on that one I could tell by the likes and dislikes oh it's because you didn't remember all the berries just didn't love it you didn't love all those I didn't I didn't love it you held it to too high a standard being about themes and detachment I should hold the Spielberg's movie about

corporatizing and fucking wealth and equality and escaping from your own reality to a virtual world completely devolved of stripping all commentary from its famous novel. Yeah, my bad. I know. Glad people who wear skins is enough to make up for this.

Your standards are way too high. They turn the iron, no, I'm not going to get into it. All right. I know you get really invented by that, but it's not the real iron giant. It's not like they plucked the iron jibbon out of the multiverse. No, it's fine. It's fine.

It's like playing a Mortal Kombat character. It's fine, yeah, it's fine. But you would think Spilberg would have a sensitivity about it. You would think that, I don't know, just because it's like such a it's the theme of the movie and he says I am not a gut you know like

the whole in the director's cut he has a nightmare about this very thing so like in a way if there's a way to I don't know it's fine it's not a problem but you know acknowledging it somehow would be nice I guess I would say yeah

well either way ready player two's coming Clayton oh Oh, fun. Clayton Crook, I would find it weird if Lex were to make sudden change of heart in the Man of Tomorrow movie

seems like he has everything he would want. Thoughts? Don't think he's going to make a change of heart at all. No. There's so much more to go down with Lex. And Lex is not a straight-up villain. Lex really thinks he's a hero. That's the whole point I think of constructing

the words, Man of Tomorrow. is which ideal are you going to fall under in a world between metahumans versus, you know, regular homo sapiens? What are we going to fall in the future? Do we subscribe to this idea of the gods who live amongst us? No, I don't think, I think I would love, if James were able to write it,

where you could challenge the audience to being on Lex's side. That's what the man, There's a Lex Luthor. The Koi recommended to me a while ago. I read a while ago is Lex Luthor Man of Steel. Yeah. It's all from Lex's POV.

And it was actually the first time where I really felt I completely understand where Lex is coming from on this. Huh. The way they illustrate it, the way they capture every motivation, how he sees things. It really shined a light. And right now, everything with Lex is, well, Clearly you're wrong, dude. I get your motivation. Clearly you're wrong.

Even with Thanos, there's a part of you that's like, yeah, we're overpopulated. I mean, at least from a lot of the animated movies and stuff, part of the fun of Lex Luthor feels like it's about him being very convincing part of the time. And there are times where you're like, oh, I guess maybe he is trustworthy. And maybe he is just, you know, trying to help and acting. you know, genuinely on whatever his mission statement is. And then he always comes back around and finds a way to be like, ah, you were 10 steps ahead and really being self-serving.

Well, even in the Salvation, I won't give it away, but there's this moment in the Salvation comic. Because Lex Luthor is, I would say the main character in that, where the entire time it looks like he is just doing this to be the betterment of the two sides here, these factions, this travel sides. And he is, he seems like he's being a good, hero but then he he's willing to make some ugly sacrifices and I want to see that side where you know if you don't have superpowers what sacrifices would you have to make that would

deem you a villain even if it's for the greater good throw people on the fire yeah people in the path I think there's a lot of really interesting things I could do with Lex I just hope they actually do them well and then that's a hard character because you have to be very smart now you write him. Yeah. A genius requires genius level writing. Even with the Joker,

you know, sometimes he makes points in the dark night where that speech that he gives to Harvey Dent or he's like it's all part of the plan as long as that whole speech

about it all going according to plan. Yeah. Every time I hear that speech, I forget that every time I hear him like, he's totally right about the way we are. Yeah. you know everyone loses their minds yeah yeah it's that like statistic versus individuals versus

and i haven't had that with lex yet once and anytime i've seen the superman movie or any time i've seen or like his little appearance which makes it harder to get on board for rick flagged sudden turn and so no i don't i don't feel like that's a concern at all that he's going to have a change of heart i feel like if anything the alliance would be a temporary thing that he needs to do but wouldn't ultimately change him. It's not going to be like, you know, maybe I was wrong about you, Big Blue. Nah.

No. That 1% chance is always going to be there. Always will be there. Take the absolute certainty. I'll say it. I like Jesse Eisenberg as Lex. My man. My man.

I don't care. I do, too. Right? He's fun to watch. I don't care. I don't care. I know it's not fucking Rex Luther. You're like, but I fucking like him, and I'd love the choices he made in that.

I love how Jesse Eisenberg has caught 100% of those strays when it's like, this is Zach Snyder's idea. Like, nobody credits Zach Snyder for that. And he does feel like more akin to our weird modern day tech billionaire fucking spoiled shits that we have. Like, he does feel like, look at this guy trying to be cool. Yeah, he's Kid Cavalier or whatever from freaking aliens. Yeah, I like I'd like it. It's Lex.

Yeah, I like watching. Granny's Peach Tea. Silhouette Animator again. Thank you for chiming in it. If you thought Peacemaker's Clifanger was wild, look up Krypton's and Pennyworth's final scenes. Oh, no. Oh, that sucks.

Oh, Pennyworth, the origin of Alfred's Batman's butler, or whatever it's called? He became the Wayne's Butler, but you never knew how he became the Wayne's Butler. He just gets trapped in a pantry at the end of the season. And then, you know, you're like, is he ever going to get out of the pantry? Is Bruce ever going to find him in the pantry? I heard that show was actually pretty cool.

Yeah, people like it. It went for longer than a season, so I assumed it must have been all right. I feel like it's real easy to, like, get one season of a superhero thing and not have it come back. The show I loved that I didn't expect to. I didn't really, I wasn't a big fan of its final season. But the show I loved that I wasn't expecting to was Gotham. made me want to watch it when you were watching it you seem very chuffed I think it was a really good show there's some great there's some great stuff in there

and there's Batman characters that I think they did a pretty good job they have a professor like people say they should bring Professor Pig and my introduction Professor Pig was in that oh that's cool I thought it was made up because it was just so outlandish and disgusting and weird and then that was the real character from the Batman comics I didn't even realize nice yeah like Matt Hatter and other stuff too right I don't remember if they did Matt Hatter it was a Matt Hatter they had a very that Hugo Stranges in it. He's played by Henry Wu.

Oh, really? And it's very much who he becomes in like Jurassic World but amped up. Fun, I guess, yeah. I guess is why you collect. That's my favorite transformation in any franchise. This guy who had one scene four movies ago is now like

ooh, I have been pulling the strings genetically this whole time. Any sinister Jurassic thing. They call me on speed dial. And the Dominion, they're like, oh, he's got a reflective despondent arc where he wants to do good now.

I'm the real John Hammond. Like, no one cares about you. Bring back Jeff Goldblum. Bring him back so he can say something about chaos again. I didn't think this cliphanger was wild. No. It was more like, what the fuck, Rick? Yeah. You asshole.

Yeah. Well, and I do like that, like interdimensional prison i'm like that tracks that's something we would do well i don't feel like they they made the like reading salvation got me excited because i read salvation sure yeah because now i have i've done the work i've done the work of the possibilities yeah but when i watched it last night i just felt like they shot it in some random open field and threw some sound effects in there yeah i didn't get a vibe. I didn't get like a horror atmosphere. It just seemed like, ah, he's here. We're going to put some sound effects and posts. Yeah. It just didn't feel like there wasn't a mood about it.

Yeah. It felt like we were doing a setup, but that we have to set something up. But I didn't get, so when people are like crazy, was it? It's more like they put John Cena in a field. I feel like it's only, I'm only struck with it as being crazy. because there's been doubt cast on the concept of a peacemaker season three Oh my god, no, right away, James Gunn's like, no, there's more, there's more, there's more coming. Right away, he went right on the line. It was like, no, they're coming, we're more.

All right, then fine. He didn't say directly season three, be like, no, all these characters are coming back. It's a big development, but I'm not like, oh my God, I could have never imagined that they would try to do something like this. But there's not a real, I don't feel like they do a real strong alluding

to what salvation opens up the possibilities of, you know? Not exactly, other than, yeah. by the context of like imprisoning meta humans. Yeah. But we don't see anything of that. Yeah. And we don't get the idea of this being a like a culling ground for all villains.

And since they're saying it's all metas, it's just a very general idea. It's just like it's sinister, but it doesn't really give you like a story to think about. Yeah. Part of me wishes they had like a couple of random villains. They don't have to be huge. Like the comic starts off with like Captain Cold and Heatwave and a couple other fucks. they're already there and then they go back to like how they got there

but if they had like just a few to establish something I think that might have been and I feel like Chris is somewhat of a metahuman he's got to be it seems like it matters shit that that regular human can handle

on a physical level yeah yeah he has a building dropped on him in suicide squad yeah he's got the most insane aim ever unrealistically strong aim yeah

plus he can fight the way he heals he heals miraculously he's got to be a metahuman on some like if you're gonna keep doing your thing about metahumans or meta humans and then there's humans then you really have to drive home

and you know what did it well you know fucking did it well creature commandos funny you know like that's really interesting to know that because too I feel like there would be a lot of really interesting fun nuances to play with in terms of some people are obviously metahumans some people are not some people seem

certainly like they're human but they certainly are more durable and more skilled than any normal person yeah even elite people could be so like yeah i feel like there's lots to explore with that i would hope they do yeah i feel like the way that if there refers any rules to this universe uh i think peace in the chat do you guys think fucking peacemakers somewhat metahuman I think he has to be That shit he survives I like yeah I don't know

You can't chalk it up to He's buff Yeah Well you know I feel like we've seen other buff dudes It doesn't even have a limp Yeah No yeah he's like unscathed

Like he gets cut sometimes But that's about it You know Rick Flagg fucks him up Mm-hmm You're a shot where he like knees him in the face And then he's fine Every time he's just fine

He's no residual He was in You know He was in the hospital at the start of the show though So that's what makes him human Because he had to be in the hospital After the suicide squad movie Stupid

People generally in here think he's human Some people are saying he's on steroids That wouldn't do it I don't know if that's a serious comment or not Anthony T's steroids healed people to that degree. Anthony Cheesman says he literally ate shit on pavement and walked away. Lull, he got shot in the neck and a building collapse on us.

Yeah, exactly. I even forgot about getting a shot in the neck. Yeah, this does certainly seem like a candidate for someone, Marcus Harding, Tarp Carlson says his helmets are metahuman. Yeah, or WT. Tragic says his physique is metahuman. I think there's an argument I think it's too there's too much

you could look at and go he's more than just a man yeah you know but it's called neosporin thank you kenry kenya king yeah yeah it's just off the screen he's always slathering up

oh you really said I got this Kevin McMan devil says boys your audio is jacked we're way ahead of you here we're way past that appreciate you looking out though and appreciate the super chat man we got we should fuck up our audio

look at these people Lobster. The audio is just what Joker hears in his head. Let me see if I can get it back. Let me see if I can get it. Give the people what they want. They don't want this. They do. They do. They want it. Okay. Anyway, we can continue with these. We got to put it back down. Over?

All right. Is the audio back to normal? Well, it's normal right now. Audio is Jack. We're way ahead of it. Appreciate you looking out, though, and appreciate the super chat, man. We should have fucking audio. Look at these people. I put it back down, though.

It's just funny because we got all these super chats for us, Collins. This is an incursion of that, man. Please fix the audio. Thank you. Kenny Vanegas. You guys, please check the stream audio right now. It's bad. Keep going.

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Thank you. We got so many people contributing. Just, I, this is never, we are so fortunate to have a stream go haywire and get fucked up audio for 10 minutes out realizing to then have people still contribute. To just make us aware. Thank you. Absolutely. Really, sweetie. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Adam. Thank you, man. While I do appreciate the campy, colorful nature of Guns DCU, and I'm hopeful for its future. I really hope Green Lantern takes itself seriously and it's heavily matured detective vibes. Gritty how. This is what I was saying to Koi a couple weeks ago, is the only tone we've gotten right now is James Gunn. And we need the other voices. We really do. because at this point

James Gunn is the star of DC and he is the only voice we've had of the DCU and we need a different voice to show the variety I would agree and when the directors and them are doing press it can't just be James Gunn going on

podcasts to be sorry we need we need this really shine I think lanterns will be a very different voice and I'm super excited for that. And Craig Gillespie for Supergirl, I think, is a great call. And I feel like that'll be a different voice. It has, we really need to showcase the different voices. Because right now it is just, no one goes, Kevin Feigey's MCU.

Yeah. But we are looking at this as not just the DCU. We look at this as James Gunn's DCU. And we need to get past, we, that's the weird thing. We actually have to get past thinking of James Gunn. So we could just accept the DC universe. So it can live on its own and just, yeah, and have its own voice that is a color. You need a leader.

This is so hard because you do need a collaborative voice of its own that is unique to this universe, but that allows for enough variation between projects. And I think that's a tricky thing. And I like that this universe has started out very heavily. steeped in an uteur's vision. I think that does hearken to what they wanted to do initially with the DCEU

and this is just a new version of that experiment. But yeah, I am now especially very curious to see how the tone fleshes out when we get some other voices in here on some other writers and directors and whatever else. Because even a peacemaker that has

variance in terms of direction is all pretty much mostly written, all written, I think by James Gunn. so yeah I think the variation will be the next sort of mountain for them to climb and to incorporate you know because because I think too what they're going to find is which creatives gel the best with this universe and are capable of then tempering the gunness of it with their own nests and whatever else yeah because all these people I'm sure he's going to get together are going to be comic heads so that part's good that part's taking care of like will this hark into comics I mean if you look at any franchises the big ones they live past as authors yeah and James Gunn didn't create DC no but like Star Wars the far those past George Lucas Lord of the Rings those past Tolkien Harry Potter still lives on because they don't fucking think about people can fucking hate J.K. Rowling but man I love my Harry Potter you know people do love that Harry Potter people love

them sorry I'm just trying to make you all the colors better Uh, yeah, I don't know. Well, then we'll see what Harry Potter turns into under HBO's guidance, but, you know, woke, Hermione's going to be a woman. You know, people were freaking out about the prospect of an actress playing Voldemort, but when I saw the Cynthia Revo mockup, I was like, that would fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking Zosol Dada want to do. They just want to keep being fucking black women plastered in makeup. Yes. Cover me up. Cover up the black.

Oh, jeez. Make me green. It's such a thing that happens a lot now, right? It is? Yeah. That was weirdly a part of like, well, I was happy

when we first introduced Jonathan Majors as King that it was in Who Remains. It wasn't like fucking Blue King. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. They bring that in later, but we very much acquaint with him

as the guy who looks like Jonathan Majors. Yeah, yeah, totally. Michelle, shout out. to Aaron Coval and John crashing out, sending love to Olivia. Hell yeah. Shouts out to Olivia for getting the message through to us. She was great. She really did.

She actually saved the dream. I don't know why she was listening. You know? She's obsessed with you. She's obsessed with you, G. That's sweet hurt. All right. Michelle, here we go.

What horror movie lineup do you have ready to go for Halloween? Happy spooky season to you all. I can tell you. I wrote it down because I've been asked this before and I forget sometimes. give you a solid 30 seconds. Okay, so... I anticipated we go over schedule. I didn't anticipate we go.

This over schedule. Yes, 100%. What to go. Okay, so I compiled a list of 10 at bare minimum. Trick-a-treat for sure. Any Halloween is dealer's choice for me. It's Rob Zombie Halloween. It could be any Halloween for you.

Sleepy Hollow, I think is a great Halloween-time watch. It's the great pumpkin Charlie Brown. It's not Halloween, unless I've watched that. Same with the Christmas one. Hocus Pocus, I think it's terrific for Halloween time. Nospheratu, really good, chilling, vampire, you know, spooky vibes for Halloween time. Which is Nassaratu. I think the, I would pick the OG one personally because it's about the silent-moviness of it all.

But, hey, I'll leave that, like, a Dracula dealer's choice. If you want to watch Bram Stokers, if you want to watch David, freaking Eggers. I'm not asked that one question. All right. Night of Living Dead, for sure. House of Thousand Corpse. This is one for me. Hexen. Definitely check that shit out. That is a great Halloween evening watch. I'd also say maybe like an Adams family movie. Something like that. Yeah, those are Halloween time movies I often reach for. Love to hear it, John. Hey, hey, hey, all right. Thank you, Michelle. Ask me again on any other day and you'll get more different choices. Jorge, the one, the only one, the one in own lay. Do you think casual fans? need to watch Peacemaker Season 2

before Man of Tomorrow to explain the multiverse door and et cetera I hope it doesn't turn into homework is feeling like it a little bit I mean some stuff you can explain in a couple sentences well I think

you could get the idea out of what salvation is without having to be like watch peacemaker weird man of tomorrow I don't know if it would be that important I guess it depends on how much all of this interdimensional prison stuff factors in but i feel like even that you could take

care of without having to watch peacemaker that's true i do think that sometimes though let's say okay so they explain like the lex situation a couple sentences and peacemaker season two didn't exist but everyone's like you don't need to watch peaceaker season two will the explanation feel good would it feel cheap let's say they didn't do peacemaker season two but they wanted to get that plot line. I think it's all homework. I think everything is homework at the end of the day. I guess so.

It's going to be a, yeah, if it's this significant, it certainly seems like you'd have to at least watch an overview. The thing is, it is homework, but we don't want to view it as homework. Because homework is patently unfun. But if it's connected, it's homework. Yeah. The end of the day it is.

If you end up watching shit just because it's connected, it's homework. I agree. If you're not interested in a project, but you watch it because you know it connects. It's homework. Yeah. You know? I mean, I guess you, the goal of comic book properties now is to make homework fun and worthwhile. Yeah.

And that's the hard part because, yeah, like, I guess, no, you're, you're not wrong. Like, anytime I have to rewatch a season to television, it's fucking homework. Yeah. There's literally homework. And the goal is to get past the feeling of it feeling like homework and actually just look forward to watching it and enjoy it. Yeah, instead of feeling like I got to go study the text. Yeah, I mean, it's happening with the fucking Salvation comic last night. It was like, oh, homework.

Yeah. I don't want to power on a comic at one in the morning. But then became enjoyable. Only real homework could do that. No, I'll never reach those. I mean, this is a least homework. Formal education. They should.

I agree. That's what we're here to accomplish today. But, yeah, I feel like homework. Yeah. Like, yeah. They'll need to acquaint themselves with it somehow. So I guess it is homework. Oh, well.

Benno. Hey, guys. Love your content. Thanks for chiming in. Every year you just level up. Nah. Downward spiral, baby. Do you guys think Aaron Taylor Johnson could be a top contend.

for Batman. I personally think, like Theo James, I think his Bruce Wayne would be good. I only know Theo James from that one fucking franchise.

Yes. He's one of those actors who I don't give enough credit to because I only know him from one thing. I want to see the monkey. Isn't he the lead of the monkey? Are you sucking your thumb

right now? Yes. All right. I'm just biting on my fingernail here. Yeah, he's also the lead in the guy Ritchie showed The Gentleman. And he was Bastion in X-Men 97. Yeah, I need to see more than that.

Sure, sure, agree. I don't think I've seen him in anything else. He's young Vesimir in one episode of The Witcher, but I'm not going to count that in terms of being very deep in my, you know, acquaintance with this guy. Aaron Taylor Johnson is one of those fascinating. The fascinating actors who's constantly on the verge of being that guy who Hollywood is trying to make a thing. Yes.

You know, he is like Scott, he's almost, he's like, he hasn't become Scott Eastwood. He hasn't become fucking Taylor Kitch. You know, he has those guys who they try to make, you know what I'm talking about. There's like that category of guys that they try to make a thing. He's been able to maintain in this lane in a fascinating way because, yeah, he occasionally, and stuff where he's fine. But a lot of the time he's in stuff where he's really good and he stands out and like

his people must just be really proactive because like he's gotten a number of like big franchise leads or you know prominent ensemble like bullet trains like he's one of the prominent ensemble and he does have a very

interesting career like it's he seems like he's living a lot of the leading man life just without a lot of the like attention I love knowing when he came on the first lead with Kickass which is so funny because he is just like a nerdy

it's so opposite of who he plays now. He's like he's like fucking super buffed dude now. Yeah. When the whole point of Kickass is like this Deweeb is going to try to be a vigilante. Yeah. And I love that movie but yeah I mean I left him in

I thought he was great in Bullet Train. This is one of my favorite parts of that man. I am of the camp that wasn't huge of on his performance. He was the only one in Osferatu that I felt like was acting where everyone else felt very real to that time for me. And I loved him in 28 years later. He's fantastic in that movie. He's really good.

I actually didn't mind him as Craven casting. It just wasn't a good movie. Sure. Still got to watch that. Could he be Bond? I mean, not Bond. Batman It could be

I don't know There's more tech night to me than Batman Yeah I think he should be I don't feel like he should be like one of these fucking I feel like Like Robert Pattinson as Batman works in the Batman It wouldn't work in Christopher Nolan's trilogy Mm-hmm

You because Rob Patton He needs to play guys like fucking weird Yeah and quite And, like, Christian Bales is not a weirdo, you know. But the Batman, he captures that weird no side of him. Yeah. And I need, we need, I feel like Aaron Taylor Johnson should stick to roles more like that. Where there's, like, something kind of off about this guy.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I like him in 28 years. It was like an imperfect father and he's a bad husband, you know, like those kind of guys. I think he's really good at that. Well, that's the thing is like a bad man. I don't know. He's got to be like a fucking, like, super father.

flawed Batman. Well, that's the thing is I feel like it would have to be more along the lines of the Batman to get me interested in a more lighter world or a more comic booky world. Not that he wouldn't be interesting, but I almost feel like there's some element of like, I don't

want him to be hidden behind a mask and like brooding guy when I know there's like way more stuff in his arsenal. Yeah. And not that they wouldn't maybe characterize him, but like Batman isn't necessarily the character where I'd be like yes, put him in there. to, you know,

disappear into this monster guy. Like, I feel like Aaron Taylor Johnson is kind of more interesting when you can get intimate with his performance, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, he's got the jaw line, but I think he, I would sooner cast him as Bond, I think, than Batman. Even though, I mean, I'm not 100% sure if he would be my pick for a bond. I would be like,

yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, let's do that. Yeah. Versus Batman, I'd be like, I'm sure he'd be like, I'm sure you do a good job. Bucky, Barnes, N.C., thank you for chiming in. It's because we love you, guys. Kick it off.

Thank you, buddy. Thank you for being here. Thank you for loving. Thank you for kicking. Scott Williams, are there any other reactors going to react to Selena, the movie? Your reaction is great. Thank you so much. Ooh, maybe.

I'll find out if other people haven't seen it. Absolutely. It's got really lucky with the time. I remember that day being so, I was a day where I was, we were so in conflict because I really was like not in the mood to watch it

yeah I remember that it was such a conflict I don't think either of us was yeah and then we really liked it and becoming like one of our most

successful videos that year yeah it's terrific yeah I'm glad we did and say it's sometimes that's the argument for like throw on something that you might not be in the mood

for that you might not have like a huge like you know excitement about because you might be very well pleasantly surprised yeah

Mason Correa hey Q When's the Greg and John Pod Come in, please. You have no idea like that. It's in the progress. It's in the works. Don't remind me.

Trust me. That's a thing. And we have the lot shot. And it's cool to actually see it. If I could tease a little bit because we shot the most recent one a couple weeks ago. And it's a very,

we started filming at the beginning of this year. and you could literally we weren't really sure where it was going and if you watched the first episode they didn't watch the last we were like two very different people and it is cool to see like oh we you capture like a bit of a

real life character arc like pod documentary in a way just through honest conversations where we check in every once and a while so it's pretty cool and once we saw it the fly and I was like oh we do have something here yeah it's just the

it's a diary that behind the scenes producing the production side is the producing side that is like why is this

complicated because it shouldn't be yeah the essence of this thing is so simple in a way and so organic

and yet yeah the actual figuring out and logistics are tied up in other stuff yeah if it was just

real rejects this wouldn't be a problem yeah it would be well out and into the world by now yeah

and the people were doing it are amazing I love them that it is their first foray and it's something like this, so it's a little bit different and there's other legalities and stuff.

Anyway, let's move on. Is that the last one? No, we got a couple more. Also, people in the chat seeing Aaron Taylor Johnson for Green Arrow or Nightwing. I could sooner see him as characters like that. I could see him as a nightwing.

Yeah, 100%. Oh, he'd be a sick nightwing. Silhouetted Animator. Again, you've been so supportive today. Thank you. When we eventually get that Blue Beetle sequel cartoon for the DCU, who do you think they should have as the villain brother i or the reach uh we need to phone a friend get coy on the line

who's the blue beetle battle uh um let's see the reach um they created the thing what's it called scarab that was called yeah yeah yeah they i think they're the original creators of that Catch Is there a deep man You're challenging my memory Dr. Alchemy Who's brother I? The reach I have a vague memory of

Brother I, D.C. Ooh, brother I is an all-seeing artificial intelligence orbiting the earth Originally created by Bruce Wayne To spy on other heroes To state his distrust Gained independence from his program

I'm unleashed the OMAX. Why the fuck? That should be the easiest one to commit to memory. It's called Brother I. Hey. Anything of like fucking AI watching over is called the eye. Yeah, the God's eye.

Yeah, yeah. It's always some stupid things. All seeing eye. Eye hop. My bad. It's okay. Sorry, guys. Your mistake indeed.

I think he should fight the red ladybug. All right. I go brother I because that's the one I remembered. All right, I'm just going to say The Reach Because you also said it And Greg didn't choose it I am chef Thank you for chiming in

I feel like Peacemaker's Season 2 And Daredevil Born Again Suffer from the same problem Enough time to tell the stories That they need Thoughts? I don't know why Peacemaker Season 2 has that problem

I don't know whose decisions those are Well Daredevil makes more sense to me Because of the They had to contend with the strikes and they also shot a lot of it and they were like, this is bad. We got to redo this whole thing.

We got to rewrite this whole thing and we got to reshoot this thing and we got some footage we got to mix in here too. Yeah. Like I think Daredevil season two will probably be boarding in season two

will probably be really good. I think that will probably be fucking awesome. Because the ones the episode that people were really liked were the new ones. Oh. Not the worked in weird ones. So yeah,

I think that. I think season two will probably be phenomenally upgraded in quality that's what we like to hear it's sad that it wasn't as strong as it should have been after years of trying to get this fucking guy back yeah yeah that even for someone like me who was who had to be waiting for the goddamn day for so long and then when it happens I'm like this could have been cooler yeah it's all right it's all right it's all right I Like, I don't know who would rank it as better than any of the first three seasons.

That's generally the vibes I've gotten is no one seems to be Netflix levels of enthusiastic. Even though people do like a lot of stuff about it, I heard an equal amount of criticism about it. Yeah, no, it's not. And I remember when the hype was all hype, when people were like, Daredevil's coming back, is going to save the MCU. And then when it got here, there were definitely varying opinions and takes. I mean, the show was huge. They greenly had two more seasons.

Oh, yeah. I know. I heard you guys have talked about. And they did something gory. Oh, did they, how did they compare that card? They did do a really gory moment. There was one moment that was incredibly gory. Cool. I like gore. I'm going to watch a show.

I'll put it on top of the level of like one of the goryest things the dare level shows ever done. Okay. Cool. What kind of gag? He rips a guy's face apart. Does he really? Yeah. And it's like all in camera. Wow.

Cool. Poor guy, but cool. This is how you sell me a show. But at the same time, it's... There's like a surrounding mood to it. It has to have... Like, people remember the head smash scene in the car because of everything it did for the character, too.

Of a guy who you were watching an entire episode, be very calm and all about his date. and then it gets fucking interrupted and then one moment he loses it and you don't even see the head smash you just hear a lot of it you see a little bit of it

but people remember that moment this like I had to rack my brain for a single thing oh yeah there was an extremely gory thing that happened oh hell yeah all right I like to see them at least

taking some of the gloves off yeah I feel like timing Yeah, this is the main thing I see in these shows now that they need to work out is how to get episodes to be the right amount of time to feel substantial and also how to distribute that time across

the show. It's such a weird product of the now. I've never seen this so consistently. All right, I am... Nope, we did that. Oh my God, we're at the top. No, no, you have to refresh it. Well, I will, but I'm at the top of this one. I'm going to take that victory. Joshua J. Gonzalez, before we refresh.

Thoughts on ending of season? I did a stream. Oh, yeah. Just play it from the beginning, because that's where we started. Yes, ending of The Peacemaker, left me confused A-F. It definitely caught more relevance when the comments came in, letting us know that salvation was a thing that we should be aware of. It definitely seemed like a big revelation. Ooh, this intergalactic, interdimensional prison.

Interesting. As an episode, a lot of great emotional moments, a lot of great acting, a lot of great ideas, and overall a kind of oddly lumpy, weirdly kind of paste end to a season that also is that way. Yeah. You summed it up best, John. Thanks for the Super Chat. Absolutely. I think we got two more than, uh, yeah.

Two more soups. Let's go and I'll refresh the stream lamps just for good measure, just in case. Oh, hey, colors are starting to look okay. Oh, my goodness gracious. All right. Let's do this quadro. to close out the stream labs here we got

Lockland Wright throwing down some thoughts let's see part one okay these are in two parts that are distributed

in reverse so I'm going to read these in an order part one hey big fan thank you I always had this thought I don't see it on the screen

oh maybe oh here part one where am I up here there we go part one Hey, big fan, I always had this thought And it was to do with the Marvel universe

And possibly the DC universe It would possibly stop the boxed-in-phase build-up scenario That's here, buddy Part 2 Imagine if after the first build-up They then made each phase Slash chapter a continuous storyline But from a shifted perspective

Of whose film it was Similar to the comics With one or two different disconnected stories To help still grow the universe and then Lockland goes on to say I want to read that one more time sorry

after the first bill they made each phase chapter a continuous storyline but from a shifted perspective of whose film it was similar to the comics

okay all right I understand and then yeah like kind of I've been hoping that tomorrow is Lex Luthor's POV yeah

and I mean this seems like kind of at least there's a potential for what you're talking about here potentially maybe, I don't know. Sorry for the long message. Lockland goes on to say don't know. Oh, scroll up, please. Sorry, yeah. Oh, there we go. Sorry

for the long message. Don't know if I explained it well. Big fan also will go will you ever go to Sydney, Australia, part two. Okay, so this is just, okay, this is repeated. Gotcha. Cool. No refunds. No refunds. I would love to go to Sydney, Australia.

I don't know when it'll happen, but I will make it happen in this life, and I would love that. I haven't asked Mr. Sunday movies to do a collab, because I still have a weird fantasy of going to Australia and hitting him up. I don't see him coming to California, but I would love to go to Australia. That's right. I just fucking make it happen. I should go to America.

Literally when someone says Australia, all that they go out is collaborating with it. that's that red hot comic book movies just being there for one hour it's the one thing I think about anything else I'm like I'm sure there's some cool sites and kangaroos and giant fucking spiders or whatever but I only just really care to meet Mr. Sunday movies

that's Australia yeah I share that that's about Australia take a go to go to New Zealand take the Lord of the Rings tour go to Australia see Mr. Sunday movies and Nick Mason but Lachlam right I mean

your proposed idea, I don't feel like we're working with every character, but for a while, Coyne, I both have been hardcore championing that they should do something that is solely from Lex Luthor's perspective. But you're right, they do it with a lot of characters where they will go, all right, I mean, I didn't even do it with Joker sometimes. They should, that would make things fresh and unique. And even earlier in the stream, I was saying that I wish they could do something where you really feel like you potentially might side with Lex.

And that would, that would be a great way to, I really like the idea. I was only thought about it from Lex's perspective, but I haven't considered the possibility of extending beyond Lex into way more characters. And I think you're right. I think that would be a really more than just, hey, let's do our Clayface movie. But literally like a next chapter in the same canon, the same storyline, universe, whatever timeline. You want to call it. If they did just go, oh, let's focus on Rick Flags POV now.

that will probably be a really cool way to do it. Yeah, doing like a Roshaman would be very cool and I think a unique, it would be hard because pivoting would be hard if something wasn't working right, but I think the idea of, yeah, choosing this phase has this plot

line and we are going to, yeah, examine it from different people's perspectives. We're going to see some heroes in a villainous light from certain perspectives and vice versa. And I think that could be really cool and a cool way to like clue people in as to why, a similar situation has

such a varying tone I think it would be an undertaking it would be hard to get a studio to commit to like six movies that are all the same story but each has a different array of character like you'd have to plan it out like some kind of

you know hour and a half to two hour long episode bearing TV series at that point you know but I think that would be an interesting bridging of the gap between what we've seen with both the you know streaming shows and the movies of today so i think it's a really interesting idea for sure for sure let's hop back over to the soups to the super chain are you bleeding are you bleeding

i was wondering what that streak was and then i was looking at you and i'm like well your hand doesn't seem to be bleeding you have like a secret nose bleed do i i don't know i can't tell oh wait we should be looking at you when we're talking about that all right anyway i'm back at super chat. I don't know what that is. It's your battle paint now. I'll see you guys in the chat talking about it. No, no.

What's going on here? It's just, you just look really cool. That's all. All right, let's see. Let's get it like... Sometimes I bleed and I'm just like, I'm bleeding. Yeah.

You know, it's just a reminder of your vitality. Silhouetted Animator. Pennyworth is very EarthX-inspired. It's underrated. Really? I had no idea, actually. about that. A lot of people say that a lot of people really defend that show.

I like when these shows I thought about that earlier today of I know a couple people where I should pitch them on doing one of those agents of Shields recap shows. You should. Oh my God. If they're four tune in for it.

Dude. I can rewatch the show again and be like, what did you guys do with this day? Do you recall all this thing you did like 20 years ago or what happened that day? you know what was really funny I don't like the fucking 24 episodes for season to YouTube you know it was really funny is

watching the Q&A for devil's rejects with Rob Zombie and Sherry Moon was very they were very funny because he was very candid in the moments where he's like I don't know I was 20 years ago like I don't remember this like I think the interviewer could have done a better job answer asking more interesting

questions for a 20 year anniversary but it was it was a very charming thread of list whenever he was like I'm not sure he was just like yeah I'm not sure honestly. All right, Charlie's Flicks Fix. Thank you for chiming in.

John looking like Silent Bob and Jay mixed and I'm kind of into it. Snooch to the Nootch, my friend. I've got to see more of those movies there. Also, while this comment is spotlighting me, I'm just going to go ahead and shout out over the garden wall for Halloween as well. Terrific

animated series that is very autumnal. Just got shown it and I adore it. House on Haunted Hill, too. All right. Oh, and we got a Clayton Crook. little corgi sticker. It's cheddar from Brooklyn 9-9. Bye-bye. Because it's the end of the stream.

We made it. Thank you so much, guys. Thank you, gang. We're going to have a hard close on this one now. So thank you guys so much for being here. This is a very long one. And I desperately want to stand. I could do with a stand break.

It's weird to leave with one story and how that ended up being a super long one. Because, you know, John and I will sometimes deviate. We like to get into the nitty and the gritty. Unfortunately and fortunately, it can happen. And now we have massively delayed the schedule. So thank you guys so much, though.

This was a fun one today. I'm glad we could have this conversation. We did not need Koi. We succeeded. Yeah, we did it. You replaced them suitably. Oh, thanks, gang. I do what I can.

I'm just trying to live with to Koi all day. You did do a really good job holding on the fort here and all the tech stuff that kept happening. and recalibrating, too, for any time it went wrong. So thank you guys to everyone who contributed to our stream lads and superchats. Shouts out to Chris Wammoth or generate a fucking massive one for us earlier. Chris. And I hope you guys have a really good rest of your weekend.

And we will, I think Koi is getting a hair transplant next week. So it might not be here again, that son of a bitch. Oh, wow. He's going out there into the world. Bald, freak. He's a freaky, freaky guy. He's too bald. And he, but he doesn't realize.

is he's going to lose it again. Yeah, you can always tell what I'm ready to go. I have a hard time hiding it. I have a hard time hiding when I'm annoyed, angry, or ready to go. Yeah, that's all right. I'm like, yep, it's going to show on my face and I'm tired of trying to hide. It just always happens. We've done all the things.

I do not have a good poker face when it comes to three certain types of emotions. No, no, you're fine, gee. You don't need to hide. You just need to be who you are because that's what people love. And we love you guys. Thank you for being here today. send in love from from here

and we'll catch you on the next one peace pieces good job John you did it one I did it I did it done it You know,

Thank you.