The Reel Rejects - Doctor Strange 2 SPOILER REVIEW Live Stream! Cameos | Illuminati | Post Credits | Multiverse of Madness

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Taken from our LIVE Spoiler Discussion -- Greg & John are once again joined by resident comics aficionado, Coy Jandreau, to discuss all those juicy Multiverse of Madness easter eggs & details including The Illuminati (John Krasinski's Reed Richards / Mr. Fantastic, Patrick Stewart's Professor Xavier, Hayley Atwell's Captain Carter, Lashana Lynch's Captain Marvel, Anson Mount's Black Bolt, and Chiwatel Ejiofor's Baron Mordo), Sam Raimi's direction, Benedict Cumberbatch (Doctor Strange & Sinister Strange), Elizabeth Olsen (Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch), Xochitl Gomez (America Chavez), WandaVision connections, Avengers Secret Wars, ties to the Marvel Comics, and more - anything & everything is on the table!! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/the-reel-rejects/support Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, Reject Nation, you know what to do. Tell us if we're live. Tell us if we're live. Sound off in the C-H-A-T chat. We're grateful to see you all. Here to talk Dr. Strange 2 in the multiverse of madness. Spoilers. We are live.

Second question. Can you hear us okay? Because we're going to hop into this. Immediately. We're going to hop into this fastly. Are we in stereo? Are we in beautiful stereo? We need to know the sounds.

We need to know if the sounds are good. A live stream? Yeah. What? The live being capitalized makes it a little extra. This is, you're able to do this in a... YouTube? Yes.

What is this live stream? All right, we sound good. All right, since we're here, guys, if you can leave a like, that would be amazing. Thank you so much for being here. We're just getting warmed up right now. Hell's yeah. John and I are doing... better than Koi's ever been in his entire life.

No one. And we're going to just have a fun time talking about this, and you guys will help drive the narrative of this spoiler talk today since so much happened in this movie. All right, so really quick, since Koi was not with us on the channel, talk about Dr. Strange post seeing it. Koi.

Koi, my son. You've aged so rapidly. I've become older than you. Go, I'm a boy. They're saying Koi's mic sound. is off. I thought we handled this. Oh, no. Good thing we caught it before I ranted. This is why we asked you guys beforehand. We appreciate it. We actually ran a test. John does it. First time in a year. I need to be, yeah, this is a, that's a real thing.

Can't hear, Coy. Coy's Mike's too quiet. That's the first time anyone's ever said I was too quiet. All right. All right us know. Yeah. Boy's Mike is mute. No way. Well, that was seconds ago. We got to let it catch out. It's a delay. Cois Mike's a delay. I went from muted to fucked. Very quickly. All right. I'm going to assume we're fine. Like it's good now.

Perfect. All right. Thank you, Jesus. All right. So, Coy, my child, can you tell the audience, what did you think about Dr. Strange and the multi-person madness. I thought that if you're a Sam Ramey fan, you're going to have the best time you may have ever had in the cinema because it was Sam Ramey getting the opportunity to actually have a budget worthy of his creativity. I thought if you were a diehard Marvel fan, you might have mixed. experiences, and I think if you're a diehard MCU fan, this might not be for you.

It is a very versatile film in many ways, but it's also a very unapproachable film in other ways. I am personally not much of a horror fan. I'm not generally one that leans camp, so I enjoyed a lot of this, but I think I enjoyed other people's experiences more than mine. I think I enjoyed the fact that a lot of people are going to get the Sam Ramey movie of their dreams, but as someone who will take the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man's over the Toby McGuire, Spider-Man's, I can objectively see that the Sam Ramey universe is not exactly my tempo. As much as I love Sam, the individual, as much as I love the world that Sam has built,

as much as I give Sam Ramey credit for the MCU existing by way of Spider-Man. I think it's Blade X-Men and Spider-Man that this exists for today. And I give Sam Ramey a huge amount of that credit. It doesn't mean that it's necessarily for me. So this movie, while enjoyable, I saw it twice already and I had a good time both times, is not one that's going to be in my top half of the MCU. It's somewhere in that bottom third for me because I do feel like it unfortunately undermined

a lot of the things that I enjoy about Wanda. I do personally feel that the way it concludes didn't further the MCU in ways that I thought would be lasting. And I think, and I do think that there is an element of linear in the chaos that surprised me because it leaned very heavily creative in many ways, while also kind of having one trajectory that it lived through in others.

So, you know, I enjoyed it. It is still, even though it's in the lower third of Marvel for me, that's still a B-B-plus movie because the MCU is so consistent. And it's still amongst my favorite Sam Ramey films because this is that beautiful blend of chaos and Marvel. But as far as, you know, the phase four experience, it's not up there with, you know, Shang-Chi or No Way Home for me. Wow. Wow.

So it's like in the middle tier you said for you from, okay. All right. I'm being honest. People think I like everything. I'm trying to be objective and as much as I love. When you don't like something, you're wrong. That's true. I just want you to know that.

That's true. And here we are. You like everything and when you don't like it, then I just get out. You're an addict. You get out. Addie it is what I said. You know what? You know what my favorite part is, is that we're discussing multiverse of Matt.

We're discussing Dr. Strange in the mom. On Mother's Day. I think that was intentional. Yep, 100%. Here we are, the multiverse of moms. I believe that's the only way Sam Rameen would have signed up. It's the 9th American pie film, the Multiverse of Moms. The Mamiverse of Mommies.

This movie should have been called the Scarlet Witch. It did feel more like a... This felt more like the dark hole of madness than the multiverse. I agree with that. In being a sequel to both Wanda Vision and Dr. Strange, I do feel like in some ways it almost doesn't feel like a full sequel to either. Yeah, I felt like the multiverse was... I thought it was madness, though. It was certainly madness.

was, man, I don't agree with that assessment. If you have an issue with, like, the lack of multiverse, it does that X-Men Origins issue with the trailers show you, like, wow, look at all that shit they're going to explore, but, oh, it's a montage. In Age of Ultron to me, so hard. Like, it gave me the...

Age of Ultron to you. Yeah, where it was like, here's the cool scenes in the trailer, and then you're going to wait for that. Like, I don't know how many tweets I saw that were like, if they showed that in the trailer, imagine what they haven't showed us. Yeah, yeah, we talked to it. A couple moments.

And, and, like, that's not Sam Ramey's fault. That's not the movie. movie's fault, but if I had gone into this, not having seen a certain shield or not, oh, this is the spoiler talk, not having seen the Captain Carter Shield or not having seen Professor X with the beautiful yellow hoverboard of justice, then perhaps I would have had a better time. If I wasn't going into this, expecting my brain to experience multiverses I didn't get to experience, which isn't the movie's fault, imagine if we got to see this and we hadn't

heard the rumors or actually seen some things. It might have even been in a whole letter grade higher, to be honest. Dang. Fair enough, man. My expectations were really high because of them. Like, the ads were for in universe this movie, and it just wasn't, it wasn't as expansive as the ads implied. Well, I thought it was a super duper. Both times I've seen it.

I liked it. I liked it a little more the second time I saw it. Yeah. Did you like it less? I liked it a lot more. Because it was a B-Mine as went up to a B. First time I watched it, I was like, whoa, this is ridiculously fast. The second time, I'm like, oh, it's not as fast as I thought.

Remember when I called you after the first 20 minutes? Yeah. And I was, because the first 20 minutes are fast. The first 20 minutes are insane. You got to keep up with a lot of information. And it also introduces you in the film drops and you're like, here's a brand new character and a variant version of a character we met. So you're not seeing anyone you know technically. And you're thrown into this multiverse of madness where you're just getting exposition, exposition, exposition.

And it's also like the least Sam Ramey seen in the film. The opening for whatever reason is like all CGI and green screen and the rest of the movie leans way better into the, the, rainy of it all. So I was really worried with the first 20 minutes and then it then it got me back. See, I was happy that we didn't really cover like rumors or anything like that. Yeah. Because I wasn't, I didn't actually walk out. The thing I didn't walk away out of was going, I thought there'd be a lot more cameos. I really didn't actually think that. And I thought it was just fine in that. That was never one of my issues with the movie. But I know that's something that's let a lot of people down was that sentiment of expectation. I didn't want more necessarily. I just

didn't want to know the ones we had but it didn't like let me down i didn't there was nothing in my my expectations i kind of i just wanted an a super entertaining film and it gave for me it really gave me that i was i'm thoroughly even when it starts to sometimes movies like start off entertaining and then dip and it just stays that way or some movies are start off low and then they eventually get entertaining this had this unique ability where sometimes it was like okay this this scene is kind of slowing down a little bit is like kind of dipping but then it would get really entertaining again yeah okay it's kind of

oh it was really entertaining again and for the most part I was just extremely entertained from beginning and especially watching this on IMAX and getting like a good seat because when we saw it at the we saw it at the premiere you know they're like your YouTubers you're going to be all the way in the back in the very back

corner like you're going to watch the screen at this weird angle off to the side and I'm not sure I can appreciate the frame of this movie. Everything is thicker on the right? Yep. Everyone on the right hand side of the screen is your favorite character because that's all you're seeing. I'm not complaining though.

I want to let everyone at Disney know that when you bring us. We appreciate it. It's as fun to be there. Regardless. But it looks like in the chat, as I've been skimming in the comments as you guys have been letting them in, yeah, leave your thoughts in the comments that a lot of people seem to be more in the middle about this movie. Yeah, I put up a poll and most

people said the movie. Pretty decent. Okay, yeah. Pretty decent. Pretty decent. Pretty decent than the second most people. Do you show that pull on screen? I feel like a B is that. I feel like we're on the same page, people yelling at me, inevitably. Of course, it's because you admitted you didn't really like the movie. I said it was a B.

It's not as good as other things. There are other things. I enjoyed more. That's lower than the cinema score. I'm my own man. I'm my own man, Greg. I think you got to conform to other people's opinions all the time. I mean, that's what they want. Do you think we go do videos?

That's what breaks my heart when the embargo hasn't lifted. Like, what's everyone else saying? I must echo these sentiments. What are the people saying? How am I going to contrive my opinion? How do I have an opinion without others' opinions? Let me talk to everyone here and try to get engaged whatever else to say. Let me crowdsource.

Really what rotten tomatoes is going to land on. What are you putting on Twitter? Please tell me. Actually, I like the turtles more. I texted going like a real honest thought I'll give you guys. I'm so honest. I'll admit when I'm a bit insecure about things. Is that what did I text you the other day?

that I love being honest. That's my favorite thing is to be honest and I stand by it. And so a lot of times I will not want to look up others' opinions or whatever just so I know how I feel or how I think. I don't really socialize with people when a screening is done.

It's true. I look for him and I don't find him. This is a common problem for me because I'm like, hey, I want to choose Greg to Blankety Blankety Blank. Greg's gone. Greg's been gone for half an hour. Actually, though, to be fair, I've heard a lot of like just

the career movie critics say like especially when you're doing screenings and you're doing multiple a day like they're like no no no I jet because I don't want to sit there and dissect the movie like we all got to go write our own thing yeah yeah so I love being honest but then

when I when I put my I'll make the video I upload it and then I go oh I start to get a little panicky though if it's not going to line up with the majority of people's opinions that's what always happens with me then I'm like oh fuck it I already said it you know it's for the best that's why it's your own

honest, it's funny that you leave screens to not have the thing you want on the internet to happen, happen. I think I... You literally leave the real life. I will take the slight bit of panic over the slight bit of worry that it's going to just... I don't I don't even know what the worry's based in, just people like

yelling at me and showed up in my DMs about not agreeing with it. I don't know what it's based in. Yeah, I think it's... It's wanting to be... Yeah, I think it's wanting to be like, like, minded. I think that's like human nature is like tribalism. My mom is in the chat, and it's Mother's mother's day.

Happy Mother's Day. Happy Coy's Mother's Day. That's what the day. Coy, don't blame the movie for your high expectations. I blame my expectations on quality of the Marvel. We're only going to read Coy's hate comments. That's it. Actually, it's nice having the chat here.

Actually, it's nice having some Coy hate. Yeah, you gotta balance it out. I'm sorry, I expect things. People are usually so positive about you. Do we have a few super chats. Let's get to them. We have to have a hard out of here on this live stream today. Because it's Mother's Day.

I'm going to try to end this no later. Because we attend a beer for like five hours. So I'm going to try to end this at exactly like 233-ish. Exactly between this 30-minute one-na. An entire TV show could play. But yeah, let's read some of these really, let's read some of these. Let's enjoy it while we're here. Yes, let's marinate.

Did you guys get your mom something for Mother's Day? Do you know your mom? Did your mother abandon you? How's that working out for you? Did you find her in another multiverse after you lost her in this one? I'm going to call my mom after this. There we go. I'm not a monster.

I'm a mother. I think they should one day do, like, a proper... Wanda movie? Accurate House of M movie. I think they need to dick some things with Wanda. I think so... I liked Wanda. I loved Wanda, but they went from...

The MCU gave us, like, 1 through 6 of her arc, and then this gave us 9 and 10 of her arc, and I didn't get to see 7 and 8, and they did such a good job laying out her beautiful arc, painstakingly, and, like, particularly, and with much precision, And then they were like, la, ha, turn. I'm just so used to movies, uh, shows doing that.

Like, I'm used to TV shows doing like time jump character different. But one condition did such a good job making it nuanced. True. All right. Let's talk about the people. Let's talk about what the people are saying really quick. Talk about what the people say. All right, Q1.

Thank you so much for the moment of silence to kick us off. Thanks, Q1. Thank you. Nasaki. Nsaki. Nsaki. I wish we would have saw Superior Iron Man. Tom Cruise.

I do think Tom Cruise or a Superior Iron Man was in this movie originally. When they were first releasing those Illuminati shots, but they had to like go, I wonder who's in there, which I know they do that to specifically get people speculating. Like to my understanding what the studios want you to speculate off of is what they're teasing for you. So yes, they want rumors. They want that.

They don't want leaks, like rumors. Yeah, the conversation is the ad. They want people to theorize based off what they are giving to us. And when they first were showing like Illuminati stuff, and I've seen people even reused images of it, is

there's seven seats. There's seven chairs. Oh, interesting. And, you know, this movie was like a fairly close to its release date. They re-shot it and they re-edited the movie. And it does make me wonder, like, who was that seventh seat?

Or if they trolled us by CGIing a seventh seat in. Or to have us talk about it right now? Like to have a conversation, like usually they CGI something out. I love the idea of the whole kind of whole sequence and end game that doesn't exist. Right. What are you going to say, John?

Maybe they just were very sentimental and they're like, look, Mordo, we'll give you a new chair because you're the new sorcerer supreme. We're going to keep Steve's old chair. Yeah. We're bummed that we had to have Black Bolt do that. Yeah. It's actually Xavier's chair.

It's an honorary chair. It's Xavier's chair. yeah and they're like no shit sorry I forgot you got the hover thing bro you're good well I think they're going to be spreading out some of these surprise cameos throughout the course of this whole secret war setup that they're doing they're obviously getting a secret wars yeah I've been thinking

a lot about how phase four feels so like you know disparate and I do think that's an intentional thing it's going to come together yeah I think it's going to come together with something huge Obamie all right Matt beer is back it's been a while since we've seen you Matt beer thanks for being here bud what up guys really had a blast with it

I'm glad to hear that. That's what we're supposed to feel, Coy. I'm glad he's happy. He's also nice and has good taste in beer. Jerk. I'm glad people are happy. Coy just doesn't know how to have fun.

Yeah, that's the secret. He walks away from. It's my secret cap. I'm always angry. Boring ass, boring asses. That's right. This movie doesn't have enough of a woke agenda for me.

It goes, my favorite part is guys making out with each other. Yep. Touching each other's asses. That's what Marvel movie are you talking about? I can tell you about the philosophical reasoning behind. To them dittling each other on screen And I'm like, wow, Coy

That's all you care That's all I'm focused up on And I'm like here going There's not enough punch punch in there You shiny objects Philosophy Shiny objects But touching

This was a total art film Half of it was it magic hour Coy There wasn't enough handholding In the sunset To me what I thought was All joking Put to the side permanently

For the rest of the screen That's gonna happen What I think is so cool about this movie is that I really felt like it does do like a supernatural horror and sci-fi mash-up together. To me, that's just so fun and there's some of the

most inventive sequences. Like that fight scene at the end, not the fight scene at the very end. I mean, that was cool, but the musical number one. The composer Supreme. So beautiful. So beautifully realized. Every time I watch it, I'm like, this is one of the coolest things I love that sequence, but it made me realize how much that

sequence could have been everything. She can literally invent universes and she used her powers to go, pew, pew, pew, and shoot laser beam. Like, Scarlet Witch can literally... Scarlet Witch can reinvent realities. I'm talking about the Doctor Strange music. Yeah, and I'm saying that could have been everything Wanda did. Like, Wanda has the ability to, like, literally create from nothing, and instead

they made her, like, pew, pew with little red laser blasts. All right. It's, and Sam Ramey's a genius of creativity, and that scene showed it, and then that's all we got. I mean, she made that one guy run. That's cool. She got on that one guy's head. was a cool moment. That's what I'm saying is like those moments show us what could have been.

Oh my God. Imagine if she murked the Illuminati that way. If she just got it, if you isolated all of them and made her like, you know, mind manipulate them. And make them fight each other. Yeah. Keep black bolt. Keep like both the same. Keep black bolt the same because that's, that was too good. That was such a metal moment. That was so metal. Yeah. That moment was fantastic. Every time I've seen it, the audience, just been like, and I've walked into that scene four. I've seen that scene four times. And like, it is such a crowd. that like I'm surprised at the amount

they were able to do with that anyway, Q Crew, what was your guy's favorite part? Mine was Wong climbing up the cliff. Thank you. What? Every scene with Wong is great. Just Wong climbing up the cliff. Man likes cliffs. When it became like a meditative

experience of Wong's survival journey going through I will watch a Wang solo movie all day, every day. I don't care what he's doing. I think Wong's a little underrated, in my opinion. Yeah, Benedict Wong's awesome. He is underrated, but I was very, very pleased at how much

love he got both screenings. Yes. Both screenings. People are like, Wong? Well, Wang is, uh, Benedict Wong is so different. Like, his personality is so different from Wong the character. Oh, he's so funny. And he's such like a lively dude. He's like so chill.

Yeah. Like, sarcastic. That's what I mean by lively. Like, his energy is so like, uh-oh. And it made me appreciate his performances because when I saw Wong in the first Doctor Strange I kind of just assumed like I mean I went like oh it must be like a foreign actor that they brought over here and

he's British he's like oh never mind you're like not that guy at all and it made me appreciate him that much more when I realized how much I believed he was like some international actor they hired me in this movie yeah I think I think he's

great in this film and I this movie did have me concerned that he would die yeah I actually bought for a moment And I love Benedict Kwan's performance. Also, like you were saying, the guy himself, like, he's such an interesting performer. And it makes Wong, it elevates Wong from the comics, to be honest. When Wong is, like, tied up. See, what I thought was cool about the reveal because you're going through, like, Wanda's perspective as she's dreamwalking.

But I think Ramey knows how to play with the camera so well. It's like, I'm not going to show you this side of the screen, though, yet on a wait a while. And then when it's revealed that you're like, okay, in Wanda's world, it's like she's experiencing this joyful thing from Dreamwalking. then when it pans around it's just like a nightmare of Commer Tosh and Wong's tied up and that's when I started wondering if Wong might actually die and that was a blast like those things really worked for me especially

visually there's so many frames in this that feel like a comic book true it's stunning I agree I agree all right all right you know I the other thing I'll just say really quick is that I love that Wong and strange while there's so much happening their relationship and the growth of that really does feel plugged in

and the whole bowel thing that was great Bresi OSA thank you so much for jumping in here. Do y'all think this means John Krasinski is going to be our Reed Richard? John, you go first on this. It better mean that because I think people would be really upset if this would, like,

if they do a Ralph Boner on this and they give you this fan casting and then completely recast him or just bring Yohan Griffith back, I think people will be upset. So I think this is our actual Reed Richards and I think he'll get a proper intro, but I do think that like this intro is a little funk.

Introducing the Fox characters and also reintroducing an iconic Fox character as a five-minute sequence, which was great, is an odd choice. And I do think John Krasinski needs to come back for it to be the Reed Richards that we all have wanted, because I do feel like it's really directly bonering if they do just like let that be his only sequence. I could see them not like, we just lost a visual. I'm not bad, that was me. We lost visual. We lost visual. We lost visual. Get the visual back.

I do think we could not because, you know, he could be a variant and we've seen how people look different and like, you know, the variety of options. But now that they also need a director, I'd love to see Krasinski direct Fantastic Four as well as B. Reed Richards. Maybe Emily Blunt is going to be number three of the controlling wives in Hollywood and not let him. Is this a thing? Who's two? And there's always people are attacking the wives in Hollywood. Oh. We had the Amber situation.

We had the JAS situation. Amber and Johnny were married Oh Let's make the live stream about this I don't pay attention Um They were just Let's make it all about that

And no I think Emily won't be 100% supportive I know she didn't really want to do it But I wonder if they can work together If Krasinski directed it Then she'd be like Like a quiet place He's gonna drag her into that movie

Yeah you're doing Some storm for me But you said bitch though That's what the Illuminati really talks about I think I think Krasinski It would be disappointing I think there are people who wanted more from it

Because, A, for me, I even crave more from Reed Richards. Not because, oh, man, I wanted to see more. I'm like, no, in terms of, like, context of the character, everyone on the Illuminati, and we put this up in our video that we put up earlier today, that everyone on the Illuminati felt a little bit, like, one note and stoic. They all kind of felt like the same kind of, you know, council authority. Like, there was nothing that really shine unique about either of anyone's personality there. And with Reed Richards, like, it was just like serious John Kaczynski as John

puts it, you know, you don't really feel like it's Reed Richards and there wasn't time to settle in with it, because I could never just see Reed Richards. I was so aware every moment that like, that's John Krasinski. He looks like how people photoshopped him all the time. That was my first thing too. I was like, that's exactly like I've seen on the internet. Yeah, it was really alarming. Yeah. And then when he first like, you know, stretches down, people cheer because you're like, we're about to see him do Mr. Fantastic shit. And then he dies. Yeah. While I love that moment. I thought there was. I genuinely love that moment. When I do step back, I go, this would have been more rewarding if there was like a real fight to let that ban fulfillment happen, especially if he doesn't come back. But that's where I stand. Maybe he'll come back. Let's move on. Thank you, Breezy, QSA.

Lily Aguilera, thank you so much. Hello, guys. I met you guys at Universal City Walk. Lily, we remember you. Yes. I got to remember you for a very, very specific reason. I'll get it to a second. Thank you for being nice. It's terrible, by the way. It's terrible. We faked the entire niceness. But do you think...

We were like, get away from me, Lily. They called me. Do you think Wanda went too far in this movie? Love you too, Koi? There was someone who recognized us. It was like, hey, is it, is Koi here? Yes. Like, Jesus.

Yes. Get away from me, Mikey. I remember you, Mikey. Now, Lily. How many musketeers are there? The reason we remember you is because, like, the reason why that they'll always stand out to me is going to sound a little strange. Oh.

Is normally, like, we've been recognized by. ladies before what's the proper term to not sound like a pervert women no because girl male feminine subscribers people

you are calling me woke agenda and you're trying to figure out how to say not male femmes for male femes anyone fem presenting no it's like that's only been at like

when we're at comic con or at some event and this was the first time we've ever just been out in public and a woman has come up to us in all these years I'd be like I watch you guys and I'm like

really? Are you one of the 14% It was so It was so like You knew our names Because any time a woman has recognized us too They're usually like

You're like the real rejects guys Right you're the trailer guys Right And so this is the first thing like I love you Greg and John And I'm like wow this is so weird It's never happened before all these years.

It took getting close to a million subscribers for that to happen. That's when that's the threshold. But thank you, Lily. That was really, you're incredibly sweet. So it was really lovely meeting you. Thank you. So I'll never forget the first person that recognized us either years ago. A man named Carlos.

Good old Carlos. Now, the question. Oh yeah, the question. I think Wanda went too far in this movie. God, no. No. She didn't go far enough. She didn't go far enough, man.

I mean, I know, we know House of M. Wanda, who's literally like fuck the world and why everyone and that Wanda's really like mad that she is the madness one she is the the one that would be a

a real true problematic portrayal I would have honestly I want the full commitment to Wanda just desperate to get her kids and then just loses her shit and takes it out on the world like I want that Wanda

I do as much as there might be people complaining on Twitter about that portrayal, I personally think that would be awesome. As far as what we got here, I thought it was great. It was so cool to see the MCU at least take the step forward of going

she's going to be the villain in this movie. She's really going to be the villain. I was under the impression before going to go in this. My expectation was there's going to be another villain and one and strangers are going to team up. That's what I thought. I'm like, no, she was the villain throughout. And then when she started killing people at Comartage,

that's when I was going, Yes. Kill. Kill away. Murder them. And so when she's murdering the Illuminati, that just elevates how powerful she is. She doesn't even get defeated. She has to defeat herself in order for this fight to end. Like literally, it's an emotional character arc for her. So I think Wanda could have even gone further. For what we got, though, I thought it was great. I did find a weird how she spent more time fighting Ultron bots in the Illuminati. But other than that, it was great. Ultron strong. I do I found that I liked it but I don't feel like it was it like I said my one through six and then eight nine and ten like I was

sorry nine and ten I was missing seven and eight and I do feel like that is the character from the comic books and I do feel like But that's what I mean is like she went too far without the context like they didn't actually give us the reason like that that pivot on the visual exchange of Apple Orchard to red

Dark hold And what a what a Dark hole corrupts you Coy, they said it in the film. That means it's enough. One line of dialogue. It's just, I don't know. She has so much more nuance in the comic books.

And, yeah, because of my expectations for Morbius was I was going to watch a 90s vampire movie. My expectations. I'm trying to spice up his live stream. My expectations for the MCU and Sam Ramey is that you get a nuanced take on a character that's

got 60 years of history. And like, I think Liz Olson brought that gravitas, but I think the dialogue didn't allow it. And that hurt it for me. No, that's fair. I respect your opinion. Thank you. But I will fight you on this stream. I understand, just because it's more exciting. Here's some content.

Clip it out. Quick. Johnny, why don't you take the next question since we hog that one of a bit? L. Sid, 0685. Just because someone stumbles and loses their way, it doesn't mean they're lost forever. Please stop killing Professor X for once. I only died three times. This is the third time. Out of how many X-Men's? Like eight?

It's like a one per three ratio. I will personally stop killing. Professor X I was controlling what are your thoughts on Professor X John you know he's there it's nice

it's nice to see Patrick Stewart again and I liked his moment and in fact I really appreciated how it highlighted the most like the whole Illuminati scene is basically a delay diversion

tactic thing and so what I thought was most clever is that once Wanda's done dealing with him she's like oh shit they got away and I'm like yeah he created a diversion and I totally didn't even realize it, and so I like that. I mean, yeah, like, Patrick Stewart brings his own gravitas, just wherever he goes, and it's always great to see him, Don, you know, Professor X, and it's the same thing

I think we're going to probably say a lot today, which is, I would have loved to have seen a little more, and I feel like what applies to the whole Illuminati, but especially Professor X's, the one shortcoming is I wish they had convinced me, like, he's got a shot. He could actually, you know, sort this out. They got this covered. Oh, shit. No, they don't. Like, as much as it does speak to Wanda's insane level of power that she can vanquish, especially Professor X and all the rest of them.

I would have liked to have at least had that moment of like, oh, maybe they could actually make a difference in this fight. Oh, no, they're not going to. But yeah, like it was fun to see him, and I just would have loved to see more. Yeah, I guess it would, especially after coming, I think what it factors into is like coming off of No Way Home, where you bring

back these legacy performers and then you really utilize them. Like they become their actual characters and their nuance. And for here, I think it was that weird feeling. This is something I do blame on the trailers. It was that weird feeling of you tease Patrick Stewart in here. And I'm like, you didn't need to do that because he really was just a cameo.

And it was a really cool moment in the movie clearly set up as a surprise because he wasn't even there at the top. So like to have us waiting for him felt really like it undersold it. But I think that scene when he dies is. a suspenseful ass scene like when he shows up and he's like and then he hops into the mind of her like that is this that is a really like creepy

sequence of the sequences work it's a it's a movie with a series of incredible sequences yes and also I got to give credit to the crowd on opening night not the premiere because when he said that line someone stumbles in this way like the premiere crowd was way more engaged from beginning to end and it was cheering nonstop

but they did not react to that line at all like no one did but then at the opening night which was way less engaged of a crowd yet when that line came up like the whole theater was like clapping and even I had to go wait what's that line from

why why am I missing something and then I was reminded like oh yeah he talks to James McIvoy and he says that yeah right I will yeah but I you misquote yourself but before we move on apologies I do think it's worth noting that my

are coming from a place of, I think the MCU is the greatest of the universes that have been built. So this is better than Morbius or Venom in those films. So like, when I'm... Don't justify your negativity. No, no, no, no. I'm justifying my expectations. Morbius sweep. But, but I think it's fair

to look at these things as comic book films and this is superior to that world. Is it superior strange? It is at times. Don't keep justifying your negativity. I'm having opinions today. Lapin Porakwara in the main chat really quick. Is in the cinema, there were a lot kids parents may have regretted taking them and Greg definitely I think overheard

some of that I heard some kids really vocalizing how scared they were and I was like these poor children it's only gonna get worse Justin Martin was like crawling out of that mirror like the ring girl Jayhorsh I'm so sorry yeah people got mad at me for saying it was scary when I in my non-spoiler review and I was like it is scary like those kids were like what it's hard traumatized too young yeah super sexy reject Justin Martin thanks Just in the chat. Hey guys, this movie was so refreshing and it's more defining character choices, despite what Koi says about everything wrong with this film.

Wanda's entire arc, the Illuminati subversion, et cetera. What is your favorite character choice in this film? I have a favorite character moment that now I'm quite, because no one points it out, I'm questioning if it actually is intentional. What does the internet think, Greg? I wonder if it's intentional. I don't hear anyone pointed out. And to me, for some reason, it hits.

It's as such a cool reveal, which is the, how do I put it? Okay. You know how America has this constant fear that, like, Strange is going to, like, betray her and kill her, you know, the whole movie. And when he comes, when Strange meets Sinister Strange, and Sinister Strange is like, I want confirmation as to who, that you're, who you are. And then he brings up the memory of their sister who died. And to me, that rang so.

true to why he will not kill America and why he chooses to protect her. Because that's the first thing that comes to mind. Our strange holds on to so much guilt. And then in that scene what's revealing to me about that character choice to reveal that, like I know it's in the comics

and such, but to reveal that was such a good indicator of like my sister died in a frozen lake. And to me that would instantly told me this is why he's the strange that will not kill America Chavez. I will not sacrifice her because it was such an important character reveal and for some reason when I watched the movie the second

time so much of his performance feels based off of that one reveal that seems to be like kind of passing for a lot of folks just as like a line to explain how he gets into this conversation with him but to me I feel like that gives a good indicator of his core memories of what forms strange into the person that he is as someone who is a lot colder on the surface but really this is why he became a doctor this is why he became a surgeon to save lives this is why he is still a hero despite his cold exterior, he's actually someone who wants to help and save people because of that core memory right there

and he holds on to that so much. I like that, yeah, and I hadn't thought of it to that level. I definitely appreciated that moment. He's given the movie too much credit, you know? You know what, Craig? I liked that moment,

but I hadn't given it that many layers. So, yeah, I think that's really special. My defining moment is when he basically is both arrogant enough to think he can wield the dead and also willing to sacrifice whatever he knows is going to be the cost because that's Doctor Strange to me is he's always willing to shoulder the cost he's always willing to sacrifice himself but also there's a certain amount of arrogance in being like yeah I'm gonna make this dead cape and like that entire sequence

like the whole sequence with the cloak of the damned was incredible but it also came from a place of Benedict Cumberbatch really wielding the character away that felt authentic to my years of loving him yeah for sure John come on character moment I'll keep thinking past what you guys said, because you guys pretty much covered. I thought you were going to say the same when you cried. It's a character choice. I mean, yeah, it definitely did touch me at the end when he chooses, when he chooses to hand off the knife, basically, when he says, you know, basically, yes, America, no, I'm not going to take your power. You're the one who has to do that.

You're the one who is capable and who has, you know, what we need. I am not the one who can make the only one choice, you know, to solve this problem. You know, you need to step into your power that you can absolutely wield, that you absolutely have the ability to command, and you can, you know, hold the knife. I thought you were going to talk about when, like, Wanda confronts herself and, you know. That's a beautiful moment. Oh, yeah. That's the thing is, you know, yeah, that's another, that's another one of my favorite moment.

I like, that's always a very effective moment on me is when, you know, someone's transported and you can see the outside version of them where it's like, you know, this whole pursuit of yours, if your kids ever actually knew what you were trying to do, like body swap their mom, they'd be friggin terrified of you. And so, yeah, the whole reclamation between the two of them and that back and forth and that acknowledgement of the pain. And the fact that Wanda ultimately has to accept that I'm just going to have to live, I don't believe she's dead. So I'm, you know, kind of accepting like, I'm just going to have to carry this pain because I know out there, there are versions of them that are, you know, being loved.

Which is really hard to do, and, you know, in a multiverse, it's easier to do than only verifiable universe like we have here. Anyway, it's Zante. Thank you for chiming in. I feel like Marvel should just ignore critics who say Marvel is formulaic. Every time they try to mix it up, there's backlash. But audience rotten tomato score is still very high. Well, thanks for the super chat there, Adzante. I mean, I think mixing up is what keeps it fresh.

I mean, I think the fact is that if it followed the same structure that every Marvel movie, like there was a time where it did feel like there's a very specific Marvel formulaic structure. But honestly, Spider-Man No Way Home is not Marvel formula. And that movie is mixed it up insanely and did an amazing job, spectacular job in my opinion. I think Phase 4 has done such a good job being so different. There's so much going on. I think Winter Soldiers often hailed as one of the top three best MCU. films, and I don't consider that formulaic.

Winter Soldier is my number two after no way home. Two of them that broke the formula for me. They both have really interesting villains and choices. I think Shang Chi's more formulaic. Out of the face four films, I think Shang Chi, Black Widow, that's like MCU formulaic. But I

that's why I even give Eternals credit for at least mixing it up. Even though I didn't really like the movie, at least I'm like, or at least you tried something. They've done a good job in this phase for a lot of the villain work to making them really be not the same powers but evil

yeah yeah yeah well I think the shows are still the best thing to come out of other than Spider-Man Noah home which was so you know I like this movie a lot though I think this movie is like suit it is one of those things that I don't often think about it when I'm not talking about it does that make sense where it's like no way home was a film

just like I just kept thinking about like I was obsessed with it this one is I'm so entertained by it when I'm watching it I'm loving the visuals and the horror aesthetic, but when it's not done, when it's done, I don't, I don't really think about it much. Yeah, like you go into your life. Like, that was the time.

I enjoyed that two hours. But when I'm there, I'm loving it. That's one of the weird experiences about it. So I guess it does not really have this, like, super long-lasting impact for me. It's been on my mind. John can't stop thinking about it. It's been on my mind, yeah.

He was trying to make love to me the other day, but I could see his mind was elsewhere. I'm like, why won't you look at me? I don't feel love. Commer tage. in Life Without Borders, thank you so much for chiming in. No matter what the universe, Captain Marvel's too cocky and overconfident as always. You know what I like?

You should smile more, man. See, of all the Illuminati, I thought that... She had the most personality. Her and just the natural Haley Atwell personality that shines through Peggy Carter. I thought the two captains had the most personality, and I also really enjoyed that if you look at that scene on the actual council, Captain Marvel be getting all the, like, little push-ins. Like, every time she makes a quip, there's, like, a little camera push, and I'm like, cool, do that.

Well, she's, like, aggressive, you know? And even when she's fighting, like, all offense. That, that teeth grind made everyone go, is that Tom Cruise? No, how she feels about that. I know, right. But, yeah, like, her actual fighting presents more, you know, I think personality. and what, honestly, what Brie Larson brings, just that little

bit of role, like even, because when Breed Larson's being Captain Marvel, it's just kind of just like... She's like kind of a neutral like, flying stoically, you know? I enjoyed her a lot as Captain Marvel, and I also think that, you know, that was one of the characters that showed the expanse of options in the universe because the

personification was different. And whereas, like, we know, we haven't really been invested in Blackbolt. We haven't really been invested. We haven't met Reed. Now we kind of have. I've been demanding Blackbolt comeback for it. Long time. Like that turning fork. You gotta have it.

I thought answered him out for, and then not having seen the Inhuman show, I thought he had a lot of presence for his brief time. I enjoyed him in this. I mean, his character is in a disadvantage for like having lots of personality because obviously. But yeah, I thought he, in his expressions, had a lot of presence, yeah. Infinity War also not formula like, endgame not formula like in two of the best MCU. I'm just pointing out there now. Karina Moravit. Thanks, Karina.

I thought it was amazing. And one of my top MCU movies. Everyone did amazing, but Elizabeth Olson exceeded expectation. It was so amazing, amazing, you know, when I saw this amazing thing, I did not, I did not actually know it was going to be a theme. Probably the best performance at MCU history, in my opinion. I personally think Elizabeth Olson is my, from what she did in Wanda Vision, to do something here that is so different from Wanda Vision and yet still be the highlight performer. like everyone would most people agree that like I don't really I feel like the Wanda vision

the way it ended and then the post credit scene like do I think it's a little bit of a cop out for it to be like it's the dark hole taking over her a little bit I do like like I said I would just prefer a second ago I would I would prefer Wanda being just crazy one of her kids like I know that would be like an issue for a lot of people but I for some reason I think that's just cooler I think like it's a tad bit

But what Elizabeth Olson does with that role I think she's so menacing She becomes so she just gets scarier as the movie goes When she is after she kills the Illuminati And she is just full on Terminator Yeah Slash Velociraptor Just charging at them with like

She is covered in like Ultram blood And her feet for some reason She did not grab sandals on the way out of the house She's like I'm going barefoot walking on rubble and glassing and I'm just trying like she is just this in like this force of nature and she's so

scary and I like I love the lines at the camarades when she is reasonable yeah I was being reasonable like she's so threatening and then when she starts unleashing yeah you don't want to fuck with her I think she's so good it really she's incredible she captured the villain well she really felt like Scarlet Witch

and I really have enjoyed her as Wanda all these years but she really felt like this Charlotte Witch here and that is a different character Wanda Visions Wanda, this is Scarlet Witch. Yeah, and I really enjoyed getting to see Scarlet Witch, a character that, one, when we met way back in the age of Ultron days, I'd never thought we'd get this actualized. Obviously, I never thought we'd get six hours of building up Wanda so that you care about Scarlet Witch so much. But she is absolutely, I think, one of the MVPs of the MCU. I think she should be in the conversation with Downey and with Josh Brolin and, like, the greats.

But yeah, she's the character we've gotten the most time to grow with. And that's one of the reasons that my expectations were very high. and why I do have some of the issues I do is because of how much I love Wanda and Liz Olson's portrayal. Hells, yeah, Koi. And Disney fan in the main chat says, Coy is amazing.

Oh, things have turned. We're not reading those comments today, John. Not from the plebes. T.T.USD. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Hey, guys, do you feel fans and critics should be more or less lenient

when critiquing MCU films? Multiverse of Madness should have been better, in my opinion, and I want Marvel to, and I want Marvel to hold a higher standard but I can't argue with box office numbers. Take that away, Johnny. Yeah, I mean, I don't think

I guess my cinema brain says, no, critics shouldn't be any more lenient than they are or aren't. I mean, I think you should meet every movie for what it's trying to accomplish, but these are the biggest, most expensive, most mainstream movies, and thus they should be held to a standard and people are fair to have their expectations. because these are incredible undertakings of time and resources and they are, you know, characters

built on tremendous history. I mean, yeah, what it means to be a comic book movie, I think, is growing and shifting all the time. So I feel like the expectations are hard to agree upon, but I can't really blame anybody for having them, again, especially when all these movies cost, like, hundreds of millions of dollars. So, yeah, I mean, I would, if anything, I guess I would encourage people to be least. lenient in terms of when they are trying new things out because people bemoaned the formula.

So I feel like experiments should be welcomed and at least viewed for their potential, even if they don't hit necessarily the marks so that those experiments could maybe be improved upon moving forward. But the Marvel producer team generally seems to be good about those things anyway or have a kind of keen eye for that. So that's the only kind of leniency I would encourage, you know. I think it's interesting because this is an unprecedented thing in movies where it's effectively a TV show. It's a series. So you're getting instead of, you know, half an hour to an hour on your TV, you're getting two hours of the theater, but it's all serialized. So what's hard to critique and look at and experience here is that you're critiquing the MCU in one way and you're critiquing the movie and another because you can't remove your experience with the characters prior.

You can't remove your association with Benedict Cumberbatch and Infinity War and Dr. Strange One and those things because it is one thing, but it's also its own thing. So there is no standard of criticism yet for this. So while I don't think there should be any more lenient, I do think that it needs to be understood that you're not looking at this like you're looking at an A24 film. You're not looking at this like you're looking at even another kind of blockbuster. Jurassic World, Fallen Kingdom, no, the Dominion is the sixth film in a series. And yes, you can look at it as compared to Jurassic Park. that was so long ago in so many different realms of technology, but at the end of the day, you're only

comparing it to six films. This is the 34th installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So it is yes and no as far as leniency. It's a different thing altogether. It's like nothing else so far. I think that's fair. I think that's fair.

Let's move on. Johnny. Absolute vodka. All right. Here we go. Thank you so much Roboto Studios. Wow. What a super gracious super chat. I am tired. 45 minutes dedicated to your question. Let's do it.

$1.20 per minute. That's right. You can break it down. I'm tired, Wanda, being a victim of circumstance. Why can't they just have her be like Shadow from Sonic or Thanos? Doing terrible things because she wants to. That's better writing. The dark old corrupting,

dark old being why she's insane as a cop out. Oh, smart way to condense all the words in there that way you can get it all in there for the limited amount of characters you have in a super chat uh she put why you gotta give credit where credits do um excellent have you guys ever given a super chat you would know it to me it to means her grief all right let's talk about this a little bit shadow from sonic i want to stay on that subject right now that's not great that's a one-to-one comparison right there um yeah what i would say is that i think i mean boy why should take this one actually You kick it off, I'm out of mouth off here.

Okay, so I feel like you need, because of what I was just describing, the layers of nuance. If you just have her, like Shadow, who's going to be in one film, then she's bad because she's bad, doesn't get to really have a long-going arc. I think we know Wanda too well. I think we've experienced Wanda as a good person for too long that if she just switched, it would feel like my negatives with the film, for me personally, where she just switches. So I do think you need her grief and those things incorporated, but you also need more augmentation. I don't love the use of Darkhold, so I'm agreeing with you there. But I also don't think that Wanda is bad because she's upset. Works with a lot of the issues with 70s comics and a lot of the issues with Mad Woman Syndrome in 80s films.

There's a lot of negative connotations to, actually let's talk about the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial. there's an there's an issue in that wherein they brought in a therapist um to basically say she's got a and i've not been following that close but i've heard that they brought in a therapist to uh say she has a certain kind of mental illness i don't remember what it is these are people's personal lives i could give a fuck i hope they're happy and i hope that everyone lands well they're definitely happy but like there's it's all landing well but there's a type of mental illness i don't i didn't follow the trial enough but it basically was like hey she's got this thing so she did it because she's crazy I think that's a very dangerous precedent and a very slippery slope, especially when it comes to people and how Americans view mental illness. So I think that the reason you need to add the augmentation of things like mystical elements and supernatural is not just for the superhero at all, but because mental illness is very, very misunderstood in this country. So having someone just be angry or upset and having them just go mad isn't necessarily healthy for culture. And these movies reach millions of eyes. So the last thing you want is for people to demean people with mental illness. Well, I think maybe there's a middle section here for what Roboto Studios is actually getting at with it, which is, I think what it is that they just want her to, wants the desire for her to like play just so much more into, she's just a full-blown villain.

But also have what you're talking about, like, okay, but there's an understanding and a nuance to it instead of relying so heavily on the mournful side of her. and the grieving side of her. Like, I personally find that more effective and I prefer that layer of nuance. And I think we kind of want a little bit both in the middle here. Yeah,

I think we're just like, I just want her to go like fucking unleashed to the point where you're like, no, you're bad. Like, you're bad. You want to get to that point.

And then I think that's kind of like how it felt for me with a little bit with killmonger. Kind of the desire I had would kill, like how I thought Black Panther fulfilled. killmonger that it sort of sneaks up on you how like heartbreaking it is when he dies.

Yeah. Because you're like, this dude's a bad guy. But then when he dies, you're like, oh, man, that's fucking hard. But even like Papa Thanos got so much time to really establish where he was coming from that Thanos was right is a, is a meme. Like, I think that there's a perspective there that is more than just grief. Well, I think that's my point is that Thanos, you're still like, he's the bad guy. Right.

But when you break it down, you're like, but I understand where he's coming from. You sit in the four or five long enough. And I think we kind of wanted a little bit of that. Oh, yeah, no, dude. I mean, I would snap away. 50% of, 80% of, there's no balance here. You're like, I don't care, just take it. One of us is gone.

To me, to me, it's both. I mean, like, to me, I feel like it's not just, oh, it's all the dark hold. It's, to me, it's always been a combination of Wanda's grief then extrapolated and exacerbated by the drug that is the dark hold. The dark hole is feeding off of her grief. And I don't want to. not to buck the order but Roboto actually did send a clarifier saying to explain Shadow

lost Maria so he wanted humanity dead it's the wrong thing to do but you understand it I agree with Koi they fast traveled to Scarlet Witch and then copped out with the dark hold being why she is also saying the exact same thing yeah yeah okay I'm glad there was a follow-up

because we were kind of long-forming that yeah absolutely who fucked you up man yeah lucky lucky I caught that yeah where you lived and then like take your money back. Yeah. What a weird

assault. I'm going to find your place and I'm going to give you a refund. Because we appreciate you for agreeing with us. No, just joking. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Oh, we got some Strem labs. Yeah, Michael Mac is in the screen. Wait, John, no, let's be first. We're sort of one, isolate one comment here. All right, let's go to the bottom of the comments. One, one.

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We got too many things running There's a lot going on Yeah All right Okay There's a lot of great comments about... I mean, it's all reflective of what we got in super chat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did Wanda poop in Steven's bed? Yes! That was the best one. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. That was the best one. All right. Michael Mack is in the stream.

We'll find a good chat in a minute. Hey guys, just wanted... And thank you, Michael Mac. Hey guys, just wanted to say congratulations on the views and growth of both your channels over the past few months, months be a big love from Scotland hey we all right Michael Mach

we just became Scottish lords so we're we're even closer than you realize Coy get an established title so you can be a lord with us yeah lord with us bro he said he said both you guys I think he's included because of your channel but I have 15k yesterday he said about you

he said both channels I mean shut up boy both your channels I I don't care he means this YouTube channel and Greg's Instagram my 8,000 from a million. You guys are around the bend. I just think we need to keep the focus.

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Very important. How your Twitter following is about to surpass ours. We don't need to talk about all the success even having. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Michael. All right. Pandemic. PJs, yeah, more, usually the dollars have more.

Oh, he's going for it. Oh, they're smart. You smart dollar folk. We got a four-part block. Smart dollar folk. All right, I'm a leave back for pandemic Joe. This has got a tragedy to take us on. I know you guys rule.

I guess I'm in the minority for this movie. This is a top 10 MCU movie for me. I love the visuals and I absolutely love the score and the use of silence in the movie. Yes, when she's in the mirror. So that's a great scene. I think trailers definitely reveal too much, but it didn't hurt the movie for me. Let's go up now, John. People who complained about it being more of a Ramey film rather than an MCU movie annoy me.

They finally allow the director to make a movie they want and the audience doesn't appreciate it. I still feel like the studio sort of interfered and been like, cut her down. I loved it that it didn't follow the MCU formula. Yes, I agree. And we are Ramey heads except for, no, course you like Ramey. Yeah. That's why I said people that like Ramey are going to love it and people who like the MCU are going to like it. Hoping this hasn't been asked because I believe it does.

deserves a discussion, but is one of the best villain we have gotten in the MCU. I think she gives Thanos a run for his money. She was scary. It was an absolute force. Loved her as the villain. I think a villain has to be as complimented. Its weight of the villain is also complimented by how good the movie itself is. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, Thanos is such a memorable villain because those movies are great, are so, like, such an outstanding part of the MCU. Yeah. I would say like I really Even though Shanshi's not one of my favorites I still really love

Tony Lung in that Mandarin in that movie I think she's one of the best Yeah I think she's definitely one of the best She's pretty great I think she makes them out Rushmore villains I watch her and I'm just like man Evil one is fucking hot I don't know what it is

I get it it's the evil It's all that evil Also like my unresolved mommy's mother day issues Here we are on mom's day But also like Lizzie Olson is so good at being Both maternal and terrifying and I think that's a part of it. Like, and joking aside,

I do think there's a... My terrifying is hot. But, like, there's a nest to Lizzie Olson's portrayal that, like, is so special. And I never found Thanos. Thanos is probably my favorite villain, but I also never... I never found him hot, which is very important for my villainy. No, but I never, I got where he was coming from. I've got some memes to show you more.

Some pop of Thanos. Some Ant-Man. Some Ant-Man. No, but I... Ant-Man wasn't going up there to try to kill him. M&F70 good to stay there for a few hours. That was a Sunday in the afternoon with Ant Man and Thanos. No, but I do find that I think about Scarlet Witch's journey a little bit more than Thanos's journey.

So while I can empathize with Thanos and the Thanos was right, meme concept, I think Scarlet Witch, I could see where she's coming from more as an individual. So I can objectively go, like, I see where Thanos is coming from, but I can actually feel Scarlet Witch's pain. And therefore, that makes a really interesting villain. So she's in my rush. I guess I just don't view her, like, while she's the villain in this movie, I still don't viewer as a villain. Overall, no. Overall,

that's why I don't go there with her because she's one of my favorite characters in the MCU for sure. Like, I don't consider Loki a villain anymore. And he was. Yeah, yeah.

So kind of your versed. Sure, sure, killmonger, Thanos and Scarlet Witch are my three. Yeah, I agree with that. I really like Mandarin a lot. I really like the new ones.

I need to see that again. All right. Bring this, go, is more. PJ. He's got one more. Finally.

The reason, I guess I know you're far away. So that's, I'm not calling you. off because I want to be the center of attention. You're far away. You'll have to go stumble. I understand, John.

I don't blame you. The text, yeah. Finally, the reason, this is a top 10 MCE movie for me, because the issues I have with the movie are so minor that it didn't affect my viewing. I thought some of the CGI was shoddy, and Wong's long hair changed in the beginning. I always noticed hair differences. Even in X2XM in United, this was one sequence that just cuts back and forth to him Wolverine. I'm like, his hair's clearly a haircut.

Like, why don't, what was... Idiots! asked about Long's hair in an interview. Yeah, I remember that, yeah. And is there more, John? That's it. That's why that says description of like Flev's next. All right, cool.

Yeah, fair enough, man. I think that's fair. Thank you guys if you have contributed to our stream laps too. YouTube's always like, we're taking 80% of your money. It's so I appreciate it. They're kind.

They are. But, okay, let's go here. Flavius Doran. The pace was weird. Probably they thought people won't like it. Too many three-hour movies. every year after the Batman we're like

we need to shorten their shit I don't know precedent I can't make them all this we did it with Spider-Man no way home we did it with Eternals we got to slow it down slow it down by speeding it up Shung Chi is long

but seeing how this was the 10th biggest opening ever oh really 10th biggest opening ever I didn't know that one that's really impressive yeah I can't really argue that much in that point we'll see what the retention's like and that's what I'm really curious about

see what the watch time is on that movie. Chavez was okay but the weakest of the new Avengers lineup. Is there more from Flev? I see a dot dot dot focus, oh shit, well Focus, John. Nope, I guess not. I know, no, okay

let's go back to what Flev said then. What we're talking about. I do, I did crave definitely more. It could use another 20s, 25 minutes for me. I think Zochie Gomez is a great actress. I sincerely, I really mean I think she's great and she is charming like I liked her and I didn't want her to die you know like I cared about her

I care about her just enough to give a shit you know that's what caring about means but I I did find that I would like to I did crave more like just genuine substance from her you know what I mean not her performance though the writing and the storytelling like that whole like walking on a memory bank thing is so this is the most weird convenient plot I have never seen a DeiSX Machina we need a plot device like a literal device that gives you plots and what I do device there's no awareness of what they're doing and I thought Michael Waldrow might bring that

from Rick and Morty they walked onto a plot device but it's so serious that I'm like this is ridiculous this I think is the first time or one of the times where I've seen a movie and really at least is it came across to me felt like, oh yeah, I can tell

that some of this is from like a really well-worked-out draft and some of this was probably written later and didn't have a chance to be reworked and that feels definitely like one of those things. And two, I just love that that scene it says like, you know, remembering your memories for a discount

for like a discount price. They'll pay anything. They don't pay your money. Yeah. And like they do it twice. And they can clearly see each other's memories. Yeah. And everyone is walking around behind it. ignoring that Dr. Strange is alive and doing that. He's dead in the planet.

I mean, they try talking up with Bruce Camel being like cool costume. But they're also like, look at these crazy memories of, of, of, of, of the core memory setting. Yeah, yeah. Why is it those things? Why is it core trauma setting? We got to go right into inside out. I mean, America Chavez is, I mean, it's not, strange, just core memory trauma is not the watch. But it's about her.

But it's a core memory we haven't seen yet. I know. It's what we need for the movie. It's this movie. walked on to a plot device. They walked on to necessary background information. We're not going to do exposition until... And also, poor America Chavez was like all exposition.

Like, other than that scene, we don't really know anything about her, except for things that further the plot. But the way we got that scene, how that it was introduced to us, really undercut my experience of watching that scene. And it moves by so quick, you know? Especially in a movie with... People bitch about the gay stuff. I'm like, Jesus Christ. It's like, no... At that point, I'm like, it's not even...

gay things. My mom's son of my bridge! There needs to be a dad in this scene. Where is the dick? Like I don't even notice the freaking gay pride. I didn't until the second viewing. It's how people pointed out. I'm like oh, it's there. Yeah, I noticed on the second viewing because I saw the costume earlier and I was like, oh, I see it in person.

And we're not trying to be like cool defenders of this stuff. I just don't think of it. I noticed them the first time. Oh, edgy. John stood up and was like ha ha! Leaving this movie. Get woke broke, Marvel. How dare you have moms

Mention in passing How do you have a 15 second sequence with parents How dare you do two moms for Mother's Day Who do you think you are Yeah I wanted America Chavez and strange To have like a full on personal thing So when that turn comes It's actually motivated by anything

Especially in a movie with a multiple mind readers How do you not just have a flashback Why doesn't Scarlett Witch go like And like understand where she comes from Show that scene Why doesn't Xavier go like I mean what if Scarlet Witch came in and was like, I will take your power

and send you back to your parents. Anyway, Pandemic Jones, we got a thing from you. I think you're back. I think we're rewatching this movie is up there. Seriously loved it. It was the first MCU movie where I thought anyone could die. The kills

were brutal. John Krasinski is Reed Richards 2. Made me so happy. I think I'm done now. No. Love guys. No. You already pledged to our Patreon. You keep coming back here now in the streamline. Yeah, I'm going to just scroll up until I find you. Send us your account number.

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Many, many things. But if we could get the cool shit, like the really, really crazy shit, that would be awesome. Curtis Mason. Corey, why don't you read it, man? Curtis Mason. Love this guy. I just saw Dr. Strange's mom last night. I loved

the film. I love the film. I think it's suffered in a similar way to Wanda Vision. There were too many predictions and theories going in. I think we all assumed this movie would be more. based on rumors that didn't pay off. I do think we're living in an age where, you know, we enjoy theorizing, but I also try to check those expectations at the door as best I can.

What's hard for me is when they actually show it to us. So, like, I don't mind going like, I wonder if blank is in this. I wonder if, like, for example, I really still loved No Way Home, even though it was all but revealed because by the time the actual moment landed, it was so worth it. And my brain didn't go like, oh, that was something I expected. And this, they showed us those five second clips in the trailer, but they were only in the movie for five minutes. So I was like, the point of this was a moment to feel, as opposed to No Way Home, where they had full characterizations and arcs.

So that, the Illuminati were cameos. It really was undermined by expectations for me personally. I didn't need more cameos. I didn't need more of those things. I just wanted more time to flesh out Wanda to maybe see another multiversal. It felt more multiversal. But like, I'm with you, Curtis. I'm surprised Feigey doesn't have more control over the direct marketing

I am too like the fact that he had to come out and the fact that he came out and said you know the trailer showed too much yeah like does he not sign off on I thought he I thought he would be the one to go don't do that yeah you know we'll see how that he has boss even the fight he has a boss God yeah God the God was like I want to cut the trailer like we need to show the yellow show the hoverboard This is the only thing any people that have in these days is their hope

is being good so they can go to the feeters The only thing keeping us going is high Hey but it worked It's the 10th biggest opening of all time Michael Muck Michael Mock is Bach When Morda drug strange

Why didn't his cloak Slap the shit out of him He's the Scottish guy right? Yep Was the clock secretly taking sips of the drug tea Does cloak have a drug problem Doing it an intervention

for a cloak am I focusing on this too much? Not enough, not enough. No, man. No, that bothered me. I miss some of a cloak's personality. Yeah. That's such a charming part of the first Doctor Strange. And, like, even in What If when his cloak was about to die, I'm like, no.

And like the cloak stuff with Spider-Man and What If? Like, there's a lot of cloak. And yeah, when he fell to the ground, I was like, that, he wouldn't fall. Did he ever heal the cloak? Yeah, he got blue patch on it. Christine, Christine patched it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, I definitely felt that was lacking, too.

The cloak was an important character in the first. Yeah, but it lost, it kept the personality of the cloak in the beginning when it's like, wake up strange, let me know when he's knocked out. And when it wipes his face and he pukes. Yeah, yeah, but then after that, it was just a cape. It was just a cape.

All right, you're a cloak now. Yeah, I like the personality. Maybe they patched away his personality. Oh, Christine Palmer's all of his heart was. Damn. Kill her. Because she was trying to help. Kill her off in every universe.

I love, I love Rachel McCabe. Me too. I thought she was so much better in this one. She had more to do. She's so good in this. I'd love to, I really appreciate it. I'm going to go a 20-second tangent here. I really appreciate Christine Palmer and Dr. Strange in this film.

When they have that final scene together of, I think they're acting as top-notch in that scene. When they know they're not the same Strange in Palmer, but there is this love and yearning just in the presence of one another. And the love you in every universe line is so powerful. Yeah, and you can tell she feels it too. And she's like, I am compelled. I'm drawn to want to go along with you But I think that's such a great Such a great scene between them

And that scene How it does anything between her and Dr. Strange And the first Dr. Strange movie for me Yeah, and I really like that they gave her science Like they gave her things to do Like they like she had purpose Now that he gave that compliment And the wedding scene when she's first talking to Strange

She's got this big mole like a Robert De Niro mole thingy Oh yeah? I was wondering if you would notice I noticed it because I was like I wonder if Greg would notice that. And then when I watched the dart night 10 times on IMAX, I was like,

what's with that big pimple by Christian Bills? I always noticed these like the things that stand out on, you know. Greg doesn't like skin things. I mean, I'm just saying, you got millions of dollars, you know, what's the, it's going to get IMAX cameras

are going to notice. That's true. All that extra definition. We got a couple. But she's beautiful as hell. I mean, she's stunning. Yeah, I would, I would like literally melt

like fantastic. Dude, John saw me fall madly in love at the premiere. with, it's good that I wasn't more involved. It's good that I wasn't more involved. I literally felt in love. Like, yeah. It was, I was, I was flummoxed, I was flabbergasted.

I was, I was a puddle, man. Haley Atwell is, is, she was so sweet and kind, and we talked it. Like, I just melted, like, she is a darling. This is why I don't go off tangent because then it starts an off-tancho. Because now here we are. Flebdorrikes got a couple. I wasn't bothered with the Illuminati, because for a cameo, they were good. John Krasinski and Patrick Stewart got loud ovations in my.

theater, which is rare for a reserved Romanian audience. Wanda is so great. That's sexual as Romanians. Officially, my favorite MCU character. Overall, the film's good. It was a combination of bad editing, bad promotion. Let me tell you why this film's good. Big expectations built because of the many great MCU flicks for recent years,

probably the third best strange flick after what if. Yet I still had fun. I just wanted more. I share that sentiment with you. I'm like, I like everything here. I just wanted more

and maybe that more could have fleshed out the couple like technical gripes that I had. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Everything's good. Just expand it. Just expand it.

I also do feel like we've been living in a really specifically good age of movies lately with everything everywhere all at once, the unbearable weight of massive talent. Like there's so much good

multiversal stuff to have a movie that doesn't let you live with some of those beats it did feel you know don't talk about everything I'm going to react to that on the channel oh yeah John already saw it oh dude I cannot wait to see it again yeah I've seen it twice already I love it like it's probably like in the last

10 years one of my favorite movies of all time but maybe my favorite movie the last five years and if you yeah no absolutely and if you want to see if you feel like you didn't get enough multiverse go watch that movie go watch that $15 million movie maybe this movie let you let you let you you down because you already saw everything everywhere

all I once. Maybe. You compared it. I want to see Dr. Strange do his text. I'd like to see I mean like the sanctum's got to be a very expensive. Soho's expensive land. You're telling me, I have no nothing. I've never seen a trailer for this. Yes, go in like that. And I'm a massive Michelle. You're going to have

a great time. You're going to have the best time. I didn't see the trailers either. Yeah. I avoided them because I'm a big Daniels. I knew Daniels was doing it and I'm just like, I'm enough. Daniels and Michelle yo, I'm there. Yep. Also, a quick comment from the regular chat, the J. Shea Ray. Strangest beer is really inconsistent from

scene to scene. I've noticed, his beard and his hair are, they have a mind of their own across every strange inclusive property. I don't know that there's ever a hair piece that looks like hair. It always looks, yeah, like it's been, like, helmeted on. It's like, it's Lego hair.

It's like, but at a cover batch has hair. Yeah. I've seen it. Wow, we are. We got a lot of superchots I was not aware. Yeah, you're always happened. Yeah, you're always confused. This is why I told them before this, you're like, guys, we got a hard out.

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Pop Culture Podcast. Greg and I have both done episodes with him. It's Deadshot 254. Thank you from Europe. Many people say how Vision doesn't seem to be present. If Ultron bots exist and he is good, then what reason would there be for Vision to exist? You see, this is where my question came in with Vision, was that if Vision is present,

Wouldn't that mean, I mean, Ultron is present. An Ultron bots exists. Wouldn't Tony Stark have had to exist at one point in this universe, too, an Iron Man, to have created Ultron? Yes. And so what happened to him? Where is Vision who was Wanda's husband? Yeah. Does she make these children?

And they actually became, you know, I think they're real children. Fine, like sentient, finite things. Yeah. I don't live in a hex. I think in that universe, maybe it's not Vision who she marries. And that's, you know, a variation. because, you know... It's just a regular

Paul Bettney? Paul Bettney, the actor. Yep, actor, Paul Bettney. Texting Johnny Depp. Breaking up, Jennifer Connolly, getting, getting... Oh, my, golly. Somehow cycling back.

But I do think the Tony Stark of it all... I mean, it's a life. Solaries, man. But the Tony... Paul Bettney text back. My wife's a witch. Should we burn her? In canon.

Yep. But I do think Tony Stark might have been the seventh chair. I do think it was him. Yeah. And then... Tom Cruise pissed him off. He tried recruiting Scientologists on set. He wanted the Zinu Cinematic Universe introduced.

But I can't imagine you film a scene with Tom Cruise and cut it. Yeah, like, why would you do that? He was like, I want to be in the action, yeah, I want to be in the actual Iron Man suit, and I want to actually be flying and doing the sequences. Yeah, he's like, I will only do my own stuff. This is a real technology. We can't do that. This is real technology. Only do it if it's real technology.

If we can build this technology. He's jumping out of a plane, wearing a. Iron Man. I was like, I wanted to fly my iron Tyle Ficel

plummets to the ground in this heavy iron suit. It's the scene from Civil War with Rody but it's Tom Cruise.

Oh yeah. I'm going to do my own stunts. And then we'll recast him with Terrence Howard. I want Christopher McCorre to rewrite this whole

screenplay. If I'm going to do this movie. Brendan V. Thanks for chiming in Brendan me, my boy. Oh,

someone said I think Maggie Brooks said I think Reed made the Ultron bots. They worked because he's the

smartest. I guess there's an option of read to be the one that invented them. They could have said that. They could have. How do you like my Ultron butts? Dr. Strange. Before we begin your trial. What did you think of my Ultron Bob?

I know you've seen some Ultron Buns. I know you're smart. What are these comparing? I know you weren't around for Ultron Butt. But there has to be a Tony Stark. It's a Multiverse. There's got to be an Iron Man there. Unless it's one of the few that doesn't have a Tony Stark. I mean, technically the only characters that are in every.

universe that look the same are nexus beings, and he's not a nexus being, but theoretically there would be a variation of that important of a figure in the universe. Yeah. So he would probably look different, a la Tom Cruise. Mel Gibson. Everyone loves him. Adrastaya. Thank you.

Love your guys's channel? Oh. Especially Coy genre. Who? Where do you see them taking Wanda's characters next? She's not dead. I'm in denial. She's not dead. She's not dead. They're in short body. She's too much of a valuable property. Also, they didn't show our body, and they showed Captain Marvel's body.

They showed everybody else's body if they were dead, dead. And in comic books, death's more of a hiccup. Legacy character in the MCU, if the actor wants to leave, it has to be some type of, like, sacrificial payoff. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like to leave a stamp point. I am Scarlet Witch.

The only one to leave. No, we're muted. Everybody, yeah. Any type of character wants to leave, we have to flash to a multiverse where it's their snapping. That's the only way out. That's the big... Where her character goes next. I imagine a bit of a Bucky Barnes Bath

in the sense of... Vibrarianian children. No. Vibrarian therapist, the Red Wolf. I guess the tone of it being like she's going to be isolated. Like she's going to be like on her own and probably having to live like very...

Like kind of where we thought we might be seeing a little bit of her in this movie but didn't. But I think trying to... to have a life like that. Or maybe she does try to get accepted back into the lunchbox. Yeah, that's her first thing. I want back on the lunchbox.

I need money. Maybe she goes on a big... I could produce anything but money. She goes on a giant walkabout, meets a guy. It turns out to be her dad. His name's Eric. Actually, you know, that's a great point that maybe they would reserve her for her for when they really finally tie the X-Men into it.

I'd have her meet her dad. and I'd bring that whole like existential crises of like the miracle children and the word mutants because eventually we do want the no more mutants so I personally would bring in Eric Lyncher with her. I do think it would have been a much more powerful choice if

they were like estranged here it's an incursion. Yeah. And then the Illuminati seating was about trying to stop Scarlet Witch. I think that would have been just a more focused, powerful choice. And especially with like discussion of mutants with Xavier. I would have loved to have heard the word mutant from Xavier

you're in the context of Scarlet Witch and then it would be like wait is she a mutant in some universes it would have been like a lot bigger of a question yeah yeah something that would be more intriguing and so literally I pitched in my video four months ago what I thought they would I really thought that's what they were gonna do well literally read read discussing the science and maybe Ultron and then Captain Marvel

discussing like her power set and keeping the arrogance and keeping her as interesting as I argue she's the most interesting blackbolt I think did what he could and then Xavier saying mutants like just those little changes would have made that whole set up more of a thing of substance yeah and and make it still really just focused on the plot because

they don't seem to be, they're like yeah we don't even worry about Wanda you, you're the problem strange and like I like that for the end arc of him being like you know unique amongst the strangers but there's so many other ways to tell that story. Yeah Kizumay in the chat says

that Franklin Richard should have a revenge arc since Wanda killed his dad. That's why we can see Wanda in the Fuge. Oh, played by Jaden Smith. Played by Jaden Smith who's also in the chat I'm not even kidding Not probably not the real one, but there is a James Smith in the chat. Jacob Azen.

Uh, what if? Ha, ha, ha. This movie sets up Franklin Richards. Yeah, the next Marvel Multiversal Big Bad for losing his father to a witch from another universe. Wow. I had no idea, even. I didn't read those together. So, uh, Coy, before we proceed, why don't you tell the audience about the son of Reed Richards?

So Franklin Richards is an all-powerful being almost a omega-level, mutant level being, and he is a character that can basically invent universes. What's interesting about him is it seems like it's finite. So right now in the comic books, he's actually depowered. He does not have the ability to make these universes. So what's fun there is

it's a fish out of water story where all the rest of his family have powers, and Franklin Richards, like, I used to be a god, and now I'm just a 12 year old. So the kids are trying to rebuild his sense of self, and the sense of self-worth while everyone around him is all these powers. And Franklin Richards is a really cool

kind of inverse to the apocalypse into Onslaught storyline where in Xavier and Magneto both formed one being of all powerful destruction called Onslaught that destroyed the entire Marvel Universe that caused characters to be reborn

in this very polarizing character arc called Heroes Reborn and in that the idea of Franklin was incepted and then all these years later we have him be a creature of creation versus destruction mirroring the 90s, versus the 2020s of comic books as a character. You bring

value to the live stream. I tried to give you some knowledge. You're in there. Does that answer a question? That was beautiful. That does answer my question. And to answer your question, that would work. That would work. Yes. After my 30 years

of comic dissertation, yes, and I think he might have skipped one. There was two down. I thought something about a knot. Yeah, right. Did we say the true knot? No, we did not. I got you. No, it looks like we missed a few. No, no, no, just one. Just the one. Just one.

Oh, I think I read Brendan V's name off and maybe we got cut off. We just got sidetrack. Brendan V. Yeah, yeah. Brendan V. All right. Extra love. Extra love to Brendan Vee.

Brendan V. has been in these chats and following along with us and been a good, you know, a cool dude back and forth. You know, we've chatted. So much love to Brendan V. No shade, brough. We want to save you for a minute. Wanda versus the true knot from Dr. Sleep.

Who would win? Probably Wanda. What's the true? What's the true nut? It's the Rebecca Ferguson cult who's stealing the, you know, shying from the kids. Oh my God, no, Wanda would annihilate her. I mean, Rebecca Ferguson all day, every day, bring her to the MCU, let's do this. Please.

I love evil women. You really do. Just like, that Rebecca Ferguson in there. That's been deserved to be evil sometimes. I've always found her attractive, but she's the hottest in doctors sleep. Men are evil always, women deserve to have some fun. It's a carny wardrobe. in the hat and the evil man Rebecca Ferguson super like insanely strong quality I love it

yeah and I would love to see that matchup happens she gets her ass whooped by that little girl in that movie yeah yeah I want is taking her out Wanda's gonna wreck everything yeah man like as much as I would love to see it and as much as I love she wanted to fight off the ghost in at the end of Doctor Strange yeah they stop bothering her Rebecca Ferguson that movie like oh my god yeah Oh, my God, I'm Rebecca Ferguson. Just as Rebecca Ferguson. Paranagod.

Oh, hey, from Patreon. What's up? Hey, did you, John. Oh, hey, this one's a... Let me read it to you then. John. John, I got a question for you. I got a question for you.

Did you feel like your experience, specifically you, John? With the Darkhold and AOS, it's Agents of Shield, John. May digesting Wanda's turn John a little easier, John? Yeah. All my AOS friends saw John this coming John. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, really use those characters. You get John in there a lot.

I really appreciated, you know, especially for me, those are a few. The things I've picked up from Agents of Shield. You know, Koi is the comic book expert. Greg's read more comics than I have. That's my claim of fame. Yep. I'm not an expert. I just have one up on John.

I mean, you're an expert, too, but Koi is the bigger expert than both of us. Definitely not an expert. And so, yeah. Tell him about Franklin Richards, Greg. That, no. I mean, like, you say Franklin Richards are like, I know, the son of Reed Richards. But I'm like, who do to do? What's he doing lately?

How's he been? Oh, I love. He's my favorite. Sorry, John, please take over. It's all good. No, no, no. I mean, yeah. That for me is just like a fun thing of like, oh, yeah. Like, I have gotten to see this play out in a sense.

And I do appreciate, I mean, the redesign that they did because the agents of shield, dark hold has like this. dueling D's design on the cover and whatnot. But anyway, like, I did enjoy getting that primer. And it's funny, watching Agents of Shield and continuing that journey I'm in season seven right now has been very fascinating because it coincides, I think, better with the MCU now than it did before because they're dealing with, at the point in the show that I'm at, they're dealing with time and they're dealing with, you know, ripples in time and

causality and anyway but yeah the dark hold factoring in and like uh ghost writer all that stuff uh yeah like i thought that was definitely uh you know a nice primer and something that if you've seen it you know it gives you more of that flesh to maybe then extrapolate like okay here's the effect it's having on wanda and why and i feel like if you might not have either read about the dark hold in the comics or seen agents of healed you can infer that but it just makes it like way richer of an experience just like not watching wanda vision like you can kind of But, like, it helps to really understand. Yeah.

Yeah, and I've really, like, Agents of Shield was a show that, that from the outside and from having caught episodes out of context, I was always like, you know, whatever, I could take or leave. And jumping into that show has been such a joy. And it's been a really nice way of expanding the MCU experience, even though the MCU does not recognize it at all. So, yeah, very grateful for the Dark Hold experiences coming into this movie. Gabriel Bartholomew. your thoughts on John Krasinsk as Reed Ricardo. I thought this would be the one we had 100 of today. This is actually like the first one directly asking.

I think that there's a reason we've been fancasting him forever. I do feel like we didn't get enough time with him to really have him feel like anything. But like, oh my God, John Krasinski. I had the same thing with Greg where I was like, I've never seen a scene in a movie that felt so Photoshopped because of my memories. I've never been watching something like, I've seen this before, but I've never seen this before. Well, two, though, I think you have because, I mean, while they might have put him in a suit,

like part of me is pretty, I expect that they CGI'd a suit and his head is on it. Oh, it's very much like, that's the image we've seen online. But, like, I think he definitely, in the comic books, they've been drawing him more and more like John Krasinski, so I've been kind of waiting for this because they sometimes do that. There's one drawing in a comic that was like two years ago that literally is a cover. I think it was GQ or something that is just John Krizenski. As Reed Richards, and I was like, well, that's a thing that's happening. So I've been looking forward to it.

And then I think John Krasinski is one of the more, he's got a lot of depth. And he reads as intelligent, but there's also something very like, that guy could be a dick if I could see that turn. Reed needs to be a really good dude that you could see being a dick. Whereas Tony and I would argue Benedict are assholes that do good things. Like their arc is going the other way, whereas Reid, I think, is coming from a place of good and family. but he's so wrapped up in his science and he's so wrapped up in trying to save the world through here that he forgets everything around him.

And I get that from John Krasinski. I can see him getting so overwhelmed in his hyper-focus that it comes across as arrogance where he's not actually as arrogant as your Benedict or your Tony. So I think it's really important to cast read well and I think he'd be excellent, but I didn't get to see it yet. Doesn't re go down a villainous path at times?

He does. In the comic books, especially the ultimate universe, which a lot of the Marvel films are based off of in the Ultimate Fantastic Four he turns into a full-on villain wherein he tries to expand his mind to such a level he starts taking

like hormones and growth things and he grows this mound of brains through the back of his head and has to wear this special helmet where he kind of looks like a brood but he's a full-on villain called ultimatum in that universe and that character is one of the only characters from the ultimate universe to survive an incursion event

which is something you see happen in this film where in the comic books the incursion event is the actual physical planets colliding and the only way to stop it is to basically explode the physical and life forms on that planet. So the Illuminati in that world is

composed of all different heroes in all these multiverses deciding the merits of their universe versus others. So they're having to juggle the great quandary of life of like is my life worth more than others on the planetary scale making for a very interesting storyline. Check

out new Avengers right after the Bendis run. Check out secret wars about all of these things and then check out ultimatum era ultimates for the Fantastic Four stuff I just talked about. So guys, John, we got to ask a question to the chat. There will be a test

at the end of this. Also that Ivan Ruiz comment was a big thing that bothered me. Yeah, I've actually been saving that really quick. Ivan Ruiz said they completely ditched the idea in the end credits of Wanda Vision of her hearing her kids scream for help. Yeah. Yeah.

Look, guys, John, we got to change this question. All right. We are ending this poll. Koy and I have talked about possibly doing this. Once, I'm not going to say where I'm moving to. That's, yeah, because everyone knows where I live now.

But I mean, you know, I don't know what I mean. But we're talking about maybe doing a, figuring out maybe a show for Koi to do here. And we're talking about maybe doing some type of, like, comic book-based live show. And John, form a question that asked if we should do that,

be weekly. I wanted something like ties into the movies. yeah that was the comic stuff reading and most of what i read i go coi i need to read some dr strange comics and then so i like i read oath because of him i read like the moon night run the thoracom everything i a lot of what i read often comes from like coy's recommendations because you obviously know shit off the dome and whereas like i need to freshen my head but it's also hard to research like what to read before

the movie like it's really hard to know but i'm able to contextualize and yeah i'm able to contextualize Yeah, so I've been thinking about some like some show idea of how to like kind of work work it a little bit where it could be something that's like also involving theories and yeah and things like that because I think like I don't know. It'd be fun to do. I don't want to make you Eric Voss. You just want us to fight. I like the off the dome quality. Yeah, I do enjoy you challenging me to a nerd off in public at Dr. Stradry's like you guys have to fight. All right.

cool and then I'll read the next question while John's doing that hey guys Aiden thank you hey guys enjoy the I keep really this Mike's like differently positioned no you're good

it's facing your mouth hey guys enjoy the content as always I like this movie a lot I really enjoyed Wanda in this film a lot and I love that they killed the Illuminati off I kind of wanted them died during Higgins has got a

mean street show up and you're like take them out guys are fucking annoyed I don't want them I hope Wanda murders them these cameos are shit I don't want to

be over sooner yeah I was hoping she would kill them off too I really I think Blackbolt dying the way he did is fine because Black Bolt already got to have a scene

where he killed Strange and there's not much he could really do with his powers you know what I mean yeah like what's just like I have a talk off with

it's just like dodging it left and right so yeah but I think Reed Richards it would have been nice to have seen him actually do some fighting or have a longer debate about it.

Yeah. But that exchange, or Wanda just throws the... Oh, that fucking line that Wanda has. Oh, my God. When... Then your kids... I have a... I have a family to do. Do they have a mother? Yes. What does she say? Then your kids won't be orphans.

They'll have someone to watch them or something. But the word orphans... There's going to be someone around to raise them. There's going to be, like, I'm going to kill you. Oh my God. That was such a badass line. She's so good in that sequence.

But it would have been more rewarding if there was a little bit of a fight. I would like to see Reed like. Especially because this is the first time we're getting Mr. Fantastic in the MCU. It just feels like it would have been, everyone else we've seen a version of. Yeah. And it would have been truly rewarding. It kind of undercuts Mr. Fantastic a tad bit for me if he just gets kind of like

his ass whipped so easily. And like when we see him again. When we meet him, we've already met him. Like, we will never have that first John Crizzins, especially if they keep him, we'll never have that first John Cresensky's Richard's moment where it's got weight again. Yeah, yeah. We've had it.

He'll have a, he'll shave. He'll shave. He'll shave. Even though Krasinski's post office thing has been beard. I'm beard. I'm beard man. I'm beard man. But now he'll shave.

Even though the comics read has had a beard for a while, he'll shave. And then the comic he'll shave too. Whatever the actors do. We're going to shave. People are only reading us again because of the movies. I wanted to do like a period piece, like 60s, fish out of Water Fantastic Four. I think it'd be really cool to have, like, you know,

the clean cut America's, you know, Americana Marvel's first family flavor, so we'll see. I am all white. I am hoping that one of the upcoming MCU titles does go back, period again. I miss that from Captain America. What you can do is you have that, like, the quantum realm,

you have that world they showed in the quantum realm that we've teased, like, what if they're trapped in time? Like, what if Reed was exploring the quantum realm got stuck there? So they're from the 60s and they come out in a modern day. Yeah, I like this idea. I just got... I just got

mouth... This is my Koi Stage Zero down to the center. We're gonna get you a headset, Cole. Jess Detata. Graphic killing

is something I needed in the MCU. And we need an R-rated like this is time. We're almost there. Yeah. Like Moon Knight had some moments that pushed it.

This pushed it the furthest. This had blood. Like that one shot of Carter's shield hitting the pillar after halving her, there's blood.

It's ripping off. Yeah. So smart to to drench her in an ultron oil. Yes, because there was a lot of adjacent. Because the way they color it makes it look like she's just drenched in blood. The AA's like it's oil, I guess.

Get that Willie's Wonderland. Yeah, because it works on the plays on the mind because I would forget that it's just blood. Yeah. And it's brilliant in that capacity. No, they were very clever of those little like ways being like PG-13. The fucking like Bolt's head exploding. That is brutal.

That's like genuinely like, oh. Yeah. And every time you watch it, everyone in the audience like I just saw that like it's a moment I was late to learning because we watched the new rock stars breakdown already and they slowed it down I didn't I was I did not notice this both times I watched it I thought Wanda just imploded his head no yells yeah I didn't catch on that yeah I for totally missed everyone knows that but me I'm stupid hey you told me all about the ice scene that I didn't pick up on it's called character nuance you know we're actual writing not because cool band band visuals

yeah no eternal's fan absolutely hate Wanda's character assassination. You and Koi should just have some drinks at Islands and Burbank. All right. All righty. Why have I got a pineapple burger?

Because you hate one. It is delicious. Hold on, guys. Darkness. Because you recommended I meet at Islands. Yeah. I don't, I can't fault someone for feeling like they assassinated her character.

Okay. you know what it is though too and this is what I really I haven't even considered until this very moment is we all know that Scarlet Witch eventually goes down badass bitch path

right we all know that and I love that about her in the comics and I love Elizabeth Olson just a beautiful performer but if an audience member doesn't know that from the comics what that must have been like

Probably especially jarring him. Yeah. And the trailers don't define that. They only hint that maybe she's doing some dark shit. Which I liked the trailer wise. But especially if you've just watched Wanda Vision and then you watch this, I can imagine that for people who just really had no idea that they do that in the comics, that she's that they're like, oh my God. That's the step seven and eight I was talking about. This is not flowing.

But for me, I'm like, no, I expected them to go there. But I want the movies to be their own, they're their own universe. So they need to be self-sustained. Yeah, man. Dude, she's so bad ass. So bad. Love her. Reinaldo Torres, I just wanted to say, I hope you guys know how inspirational Coy is.

Coy is the best and you guys should learn a lot more from him. You guys, though, suck, give all this to Coy. For all the late nights you guys spend editing and reacting. got to shout out the prepper boys too they're helping us constantly too if uh you know it's it is a lot of editing and reacting later night the life of a reactor in the darkness

when normally at 3 a.m. if we're watching something I'm just like and then I play Nirvana everything internally but I'm not it's not showing but I know you gotta let it out man you inspire us to strive beyond the wall that holds us back that is a that's a great line I don't know if I could you inspire us to

stride beyond the wall that holds them back. We can't receive such a cost. No, that is so I praise. Such a lovely honor. We saved a life here.

Hey, the wall that holds them back, you guys break down. That is, that's insane. The way you watch television is inspiring. The way you talk about

movies is awesome. These guys earn their islands gift cards every week. This is called deflecting. This is called gratitude through deflection. Juan

Verminemus. But I'm going to use in an argument when I'm negotiating for a product placement. That's smart. You know what we do?

Elgado, we inspire people to strive beyond the wall that holds them back. We use your capture cards, Elgado. We have two of them. I would like a Logitech cameras to strive beyond the wall that we're already striving beyond. Thank you, Renauda. That means a lot. Juan Hernandez. Kobe's dick.

I feel like Multiverse of Madness. I feel like Multiverse Amanda did everything that Wanda went through in her show. even location-wise with the hezy. Well, that's what I'm glad I came to that thought process at this point. I think that's the problem is when I didn't even realize I'm already throwing in my comic knowledge right in there and not thinking in terms of transition from show to film. Because I think it's still there. I think you fill in the blank and I did treat it like when you do a time jump in a show.

But it does, I can especially see that it's. like too much. Like we should have watched her descend. Yeah. Yeah. And so I agree with that. I would have loved to have God in that. And I do feel that it works better for me on the second viewing.

On the first viewing, it is like, oh, you're just like the wicked witch right now. And like we've not done that with any other of her arcs. Like when we met her, she was conflicted and then she went through a giant arc. And then I just feel like they rushed into the third act of her journey.

Yeah. And that's not Wanda. I don't know. So I'm with you. And also like they, implied that where she moved was Mount Wondegor in Scarlet Witch I mean in Wanda Vision the show and then to make

WonderGore a different location in universe and like all those things so yeah the things bothered me. What I was telling John the other day was I think I said this in the new Rock Stars breakdown probably go up tomorrow guys was that I think it would be cool for multiverse of madness if they did some type of like clone

wars type of show that like fills in the blank for a lot of this because going off of the next question here especially like with Wanda yeah seeing some of that. Some of those scenes. Like a Clone Wars thing being that you, it's like Clone Wars takes place in between episode two and three. And I think doing something like that

for here to fill in the blanks. Not what if just something that expands this out and fleshes it out. But like what Cartic Charma is same. I love this. If you count being dusted off as dying, Dr. Strange died three times in multiverse of madness. 14,000, 655 times

in Infinity War, 17 times in the first Doctor Strange. That's an awesome math. I love this statistic. But what this reminded me of is the whole thing with Strange being blamed for doing the dusting. Yeah. And to me, I'm like, that would be such a great character nuance to explore of like not being appreciated for his part in saving the world. Yeah. You know, and especially the guilty carries and the arrogance he carries.

Yeah. That like, no, I did the right thing. Like, look, we're all back. Most of us, not your cats. But most of us are back. And now your brother. Like that is such a fascinating, dusted experience. that Michael Stoolbar

is talking about when, like while he was gone, his brother died and he wasn't there for that and he blamed strange for it, you know, and he can't like explain it,

you know, I think that is a great nuance. I would have loved to have, that would have been nice to just make part of the theme more about it. And then the continuing of that guilt with going to other universes and realizing you're a monster.

Like then not only are you not getting credit for being a hero, but then going to a multiverse and being like, wait, I'm the problem. Like I really like Dr. Strange's decreasing

vulnerability and softness in this film. I, something that I constantly talk about people is really define Strange's arc for me in this film. And I feel like people sometimes have to like use their mind to

really like pinpoint stuff. Yeah. Of like, well, there's like beats here. Like he, okay, he learns to not sacrifice people. He learns, you know, he bows to Wong and in the end. He lets go with the knife. He lets go with the knife. He becomes becomes vulnerable, you know, but I think there was still some type of emotional impact that was really missing from the film in terms of the, the strange art that just lands a punch,

like really strong. There's something that was there. And I feel like what we're talking about with, you know, like really contemplating that thing of maybe I didn't do the right thing. Yeah. And he's like, hopping through the multiverses, seeing reflections of himself and like really letting the weight of that be felt was something that

somehow it just doesn't quite get there for me. It's like, I'm like I see it there. I'm just not it's not even that I don't understand that feeling. I feel like there needed to be a little bit more to really just have it be so apparent and more of, you know, in the feels. It kind of, oops, sorry. I feel it in Benedict

Cumberbatch's performance and he knows, he does what it is. Yeah, it's evident by that. So I feel like there's a part of that arc that that at least like emotionally hits for me but I absolutely agree it would have been nice to have like an actual character examination that doesn't feel like it's happening kind of off screen or in between moments that we're actually getting to see because I feel like the the scene at the end when he dismisses the the he's about to get his third eye like the scene where he's like

you just did this and this and this and he's like I'm fine that is him saying I'm fine but obviously not being yeah I feel like they kind of did the same thing with him meeting other strangers like where he just dismissed it, but we never got to see, like we got a visual of, clearly he's not fine, we didn't get the equivalent of the emotional, I've met a bunch of me's, and they're not great. Like, we didn't get to feel that, really. Well, yeah, and I mean, in the original

movie, in the original movie, too, you at least get to see him, part of that first act of seeing him struggle with the loss of his, you know, hand mobility and everything like that. And you feel the anguish of that, and so yeah, it would have been nice to feel some kind of emotional comfortation.

anguish. That's why I have to I have this thing where I point up Yeah, every so often I get like, we got to keep each other a camel to talk to the camera and a part of that is keeping our voices locked into the microphone. Here we are. I'll listen to these back later and I'm like

McCoy's turning. I'm like, no dude, you sound far away. We all need, we all need TED talks. Or just take the mic off the arm and hold it. I mean like, no, no, no, that's going to tire your shoulder out. That's true. It's a strong shoulders. I'm looking on the delts and the trap sex. Just keep it going.

I love it. My problem was how they handled Wanda and Shavis at the end, and it felt forced to feel like she should have learned her powers in the holding cell. I definitely had a moment of, you know, and that's something Phase 1 Marvel used to do. And like earlier comic book films where it was like, I can't do this, I can't do this, I can't do this, I can do this. I can do this. It would have been nice to see a progression of her learning her skills instead of like, yo, I know how to punch a multi-perse. Like it was a very quick learning curve

Oh, he gave me the knife I know how to use the knife I would have liked to see the development A little bit more Like all of my biggest problems of the film Can be solved like 20 minutes I could have used another 20 Devin Henderson

The music fight was embarrassing And bad Oh my God, Devin That was one of my favorite moments That was one of my favorites too Like such a cool union of director and long time composer

Yeah I think that's such a great joy for the composer to be involved in something where like the music is the point of it. I love how it starts off where he like lands on the piano and it seems like just a corny like cliche. Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like a tongue and cheek joke with

that it turns into like a way better idea to use the music notes as weapons and the way how the John actually I think John you could probably talk a little bit more about you're the music guy. So why don't you talk about it? Well yeah. I mean I just personally love

how it evolves over time because, yeah, you get that piano strike, that dissonant strike that we hear two or three times prior, like, especially like when Wanda's looking at herself in the window, there's that classic horror movie, Sam Ramey Strike, and then you had to have it grow into this thing that at first starts out just to my ear sounding like, you know, disparate notes and score music, then becomes like Tokata and fugue, you know, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And yeah, it really, it really, expresses the imagination and the weirdness, I feel like, that's something that people haven't talked about as much, and I've heard a couple people say, and that the movie could have been weirder and stranger and more sort of out there in terms of what happens. And I feel like that's one of those things where I'm like, wow, I never would have thought of that. And I never would have thought of, you know, using sound frequency. I mean, it is, you know, beams and, you know, power blasts too. But, you know, I interpret it as sound frequency also as weaponry. And yeah, it's just such a wonderful moment because it's quintessentially filmmaking, you know?

It's combining all these elements together in a way that kind of breaks the fourth wall because it's directly calling attention to the musical score and using it, not even in a Mickey Mouseing kind of way, but as a literal prop to the scene. So, yeah, it contextualizes that whole interplay of sound and visual in a really fun and lively way. And then if you care about the union of Sam Ramey and Danny Elfman, it's that much more special. because then you're like, yeah, like these two, like that feels like a victory lap for them. Yeah, I love that.

And it showed me what we could do with these powers and as opposed to just like, pew, pew, pew. So I dug it. Yeah. So true. And I was never embarrassed. But we love you, Devin Henderson. We're not embarrassed by you.

The Everything Everywhere nerd all the time. As soon as I heard the Baxter Foundation, I knew we were going to get, see Reed, so excited that it was Krasinsk That was a good way to set us up I loved hearing it Like the first time she said Baxter I was like oh are the rumors true

And like it took me three seconds to get there Like Baxter Fountain Then the crowd was reacting I was like Oh Baxter Fountain Yeah Yes sir Yeah that audience was solid at the premiere

But also there were sometimes I was like These are movie fans Like there was like comic moments Like the Baxter It took like one round of laughter And then people being like Oh laughter

And like listening in, then we get the second wave. I mean, Earth 616 was dropped. That was so cool. That was awesome. That was such a moment. Surprise of how many people, like, picked the... I got our opening night screening, no one care. And I, at IMAX, no, no one even madder than I.

The fan event at the L-C, people lost their minds. That was one of the bigger cheers, because there's people that have waited in line all day. People just pulled their pants out and shit. Yeah, 6-1-C! Screening of Madness. Everyone lost their minds. Matt B. That's actually

They used to advertise old camp movies that way Like there are seven sequences of terror And even one of them will cause you to lose your mind Signed a waiver in the lobby, I've seen that trailer. Like Chuck Pollanick when he reads guts And people fainting and they're like We've had 182 people faint with Chuck Pollanick reading guts Oh golly

Matt Beer back in action What's up dude? I also thought Jim from the office Was a good Mr. Fantastic Hope we see him again very soon People were gonna forever know him as Poor guy Yeah man he's forever Jim

He's Jim Halper shaves the beard looks at camera I'm Mr. Fantastic You know there's a multiverse out there where Reed Richards works for Dunder Mifflin

You know I'm okay with that I'm I'm cool It's a really successful Dunder Mifflin It is It's the most evolved paper company

That is the highest tech papers I mean Spinoff Parks and Rec Nick Offermens my dream Mr. Things I'm the thing Imagine the thing

It's clobber in time Right I want it's so bad Actually it's perfect Yeah I think it would be the right amount of humor, yeah. I think it'd be really fun.

Yeah. Because I think you've had the chance for Nick Offerman to show his back. Because there's something, I think what makes Nick Offerman appealing is his... He's every man. He's every man, he's funny, but he's also intimidating. He's hypermastering. And his deadpan allows for a great oscillation between humor and pathos. Right.

Because he is a good actor. And you've got a guy that's trapped as a rock creature. You want to be very empathetic towards him, so his voice needs that. He just needs the mustache too. Leo Mar 89. I loved the movie. the cameos were, eh,

okay. I mean, they really shouldn't, they really shouldn't have shown any. It would have been really special. They really shouldn't have shown any in the, in the trailers. I mean,

the fact that he gave away freaking Captain Carter in the, insane to me. Because I didn't hear that rumor. I assumed it because of what if, but I didn't hear it. And the fact that they gave away for the Professor X chair.

Yeah. Yeah, because the voiceover was a moment we freaked out about, but they didn't give it away the chair. I mean, even when the way he showed, up in the chair in the trailer it looked like it was one of like the days of future past futuristic suits you know like it's all black that's what it looked like there the chair is funny as fucking one of those shows oh man it's so big so big it's like such a massive chair i'm like do you get caught in the doors when you go to grocery shop yeah no that man does not go it looks like hospice care professor x that's there probably is there an iron lung in there too because in there's a good idea yeah because in the

animated series, Professor X is like buff as fuck. He's like this big dude. He's not like, you know, the rock big, but he's a big guy. He's a drawing. You know, but here he got to look like fragile man. And they did not equate the chair size

to smaller Patrick Stewart. And not that I wanted them to de-age him or anything, but it is weird to see somebody who's one of those people who's like, this guy's been old always, but now he actually kind of looks old. Yeah. When he's walking around, he looks good, though. Yeah, yeah, we sound with the

carpet. No, no, I mean in the movie, in the dream sequence Oh, well, we saw him also walked the red carpet. He was not there. Good for you guys. Wesley Phelps. Agatha had the Darkhold for a while. Why didn't she go crazy like Wanda or get a third eye like Doctor Straight?

Because they hadn't figured out that they were going to do that yet. She was doing bad shit the whole time. Yeah, she had the black she was. Not the nicest. She was the villain and he's naturally a villain too. Yeah. And Dark Fingers and all that. She got corrupted and who knows.

Maybe Agatha was nice before she had the dark hold. We just only met her with the dark hold, like really. And to answer your third eye question, that wasn't because of the dark hold per se. It was because the spell he did by going into a dead body exacts a higher toll of magic. So when you're doing, you know, certain spells exact a bigger toll. So there's actually a really cool comic book storyline where Dr. Strange is revealed to having an entire basement of sentient beings that he kind of transmutes his magical toll onto, which equates to basically like, fucked up slavery and like what that cost is. So I really hope

they address that with Clea by having this third eye thing be like, oh, there is a consistent toll. What does he do to you know, release that? And I, hopefully that's what the third movie is. True that son, man. I agree with you my boy. My child. My son, man of the father and the son

of the Holy Ghost. We are going to continue reading the super chats. But what I wanted to say is that we have to stop the super chats from coming in because we I have plans with my mom

even though I said you've done nothing for me my entire life you neglected me I watched multiverse of madness you would never do that for me you would never accept that I am no longer part of this you would stay in your own multiverse your own universe and never travel further than that assuming my mom has power she still wouldn't do it she'd be like I'm gonna go

watch I'm gonna go watch long order you know I'm gonna stay here I'm gonna search every universe for the best law and order season. Before I get you turn off the zero jets before my mom's in the chat somewhere, how mom? Hey, hot mom. Yeah. It was coming. On Mother's Day of all days.

Hot mom, coy. On all days. Hot mom coy. Stephanie. It's the best of us. Steph John. We're going to read everything that we have so far. We're just doing a quick old refresh. That'd be weird. Why would it be weird?

What a weird thing to say? We're incredibly close friends. I don't understand. I just said, uh, you don't have call her mom hot in her face. Uh, yeah, I will. All right. I mean, like, hey, you're better in person, lady.

Nice to meet you, Coy's hot mom. Yeah. I'm like, yeah. I'm Mrs. Coy, hot mom. You're even hotter in person. My good friend Greg, and I'm uncomfortable in leaving. Okay, I'll be over there now. That's my fiance.

People sticking in their super chats, clever folks. Uh, yeah. Yep, yeah, now's the time. Get their last of the super chats in. Before, what are you doing, John? Did you turn off? It's fine. We're loading.

They're doing something else. productive while it reloads. No, it's too late. All right, Joey B, you've, you've won this round as the last one we will take today, but you understand the implications of this action? Let's focus. You turn it. You turn off the super chat. Do you understand the implications? It literally is like, unplugging a bomb. Your subscribers cannot send you. What you've done? Do you understand the implicate? Like, that was a bigger warning that we got in all of multiverse and madness. This is the opposite of capital. Do you really want to say no? What do you mean you're turning off the super? You don't want money? Thank you guys.

So all you have contributed, thank you. Like, seriously, it's a, it means the world. Of course, you're going to get most of it in this. 78% of people want, want the show. That's like a C plus. Oh, maybe it's not high enough. I guess not. Well, the show's been canceled.

11% of people are here out of spite. Oh, okay. And. So only 11 people said, I put three options. Did John give a funny option? Yes. That confuses the actual tally. trying to get it.

All right, I'll start a brand new poll. No, no, we'll add the two good ones together. I'm counting the joke ones as yeses, basically. So I had 89% only 11% said not. That's if you want to be in denial when that's not, you know, 80, only 11% said that. If we were in a court of trial, this would count as a no. Guys, an A minus cinema scores good enough from here, people.

All right. Someone just sent a little teepee. Oh, hooray. Okay, let's get these checks. got this, John. I believe in you. That's not the one. We're moving along smoothly. No one's lost their minds yet.

Zero. Two hours? It's not bad. 220? Sanity? Got it. All right. Michael Mack is back.

Not to hurt Greg's feelings, but I was congratulating both the Real Rejects channel and John Campia. Ha ha. Equal congrats to the three of you. Also, Earth 838 left. in Mordo's hands of the Illuminati all dead, that world will turn to poop soon. You know one of my issues

with this Dr. Strange franchises? They were like, the next big baddie, going to be that Mordo. Nope. And then I'm like nah, boring. And like Chewittellia Geofer is fascinated. I would have loved to have seen that. I'm sure, such a great actor.

And they just don't know how to... Perhaps Scott Derrickson's script had such things. He's got Chuitelior for his third billing, too. He's the third build character For like 20 minutes So they had to hide everyone else He's built

He's built above like Sochi Gomez And like a bunch of movies But also like with Michael Stilberg is in there Like he got his own card And he had one scene He's above Benedict Wong Yeah Yeah he is

In fact Benedict Wong I think is fourth What a bunch of bullshit Isn't that weird? Because yeah I saw that and I was like Wong is the other supporting character Along is the Sorcer Supreme He's the freaking yeah Yeah should be Benedict

Elizabeth other Benedict And then I mean I would feel It should be Zoshi Gomez but I get Because it's her debut

Bill yeah I get it But yeah Like that's a weird Also the with Michael Strelberg made me laugh Because I was like all right That's a He's got that scene in the church

It's the only reason he agreed to come back John Britt He's great then Just imagine how fucking cool it would be It would have been If Professor X wasn't in the trailer.

I've been imagining it this whole time. That is something I wish wasn't revealed. It was exciting. Made for a great trailer reaction for sure. You did. Thanks for that.

Thanks, Marvel. They knew. They care about it. It's for us. They knew about us. Matthew... I think they followed in Sony steps a little bit in this one.

Yeah. Matthew Reyes. Don't say anything about Sony Koi. You're their boy. Who's Sony? Morby a sweep. To you... Morby a sweep.

It's how Sony's brought up now. Morby a sweep. To you... To use the dark hold after Agents of Shield did, and not have Daisy or Robbie Reyes in the Illuminati instead of Blackball. Come on, Fygie. Colson lives. He does justice for all my peeps, Quake, did Gold Shrider. That would have been so cool if Colson was on the council.

I would have loved it, and the thing is, the show would allow for it based on where they go. I'm cool with Colson existing in another multiverse. I don't think he, like, he literally is the reason they event. I personally am team 616, Coulson died. I understand your gripe and the show makes that a main thing. And I love that they did.

They deal with it head on. I'm just saying Colson and the multiverse would have worked for everyone. Both sides. Fair, fair enough. Fair enough. All the agents of shield. Achilleon. One totally doesn't deserve the title of sorcerer supreme. He dishonored

the deaths of hundreds of wizards by handing over all the secrets of the darkhold after it was destroyed thoughts Hey, hey Hey, he kept people alive. He did it to save four people Those four people and one of them

was a Minotar are better now for it. Hey, that was Rintra. Yeah, that was a massive deal. That character also got a credit like a card. That was a major deal and the movie utilized that Richer was in here. The character

did things. All the potential realized. That was like of X-Men, shit. Where they just have an X-Men in the background. That's jubit is in the, as we zoom through. There's Jubilee. That's nice. Cool. Cool, they're in the movie.

That's something. Like, they're not an actual character. I don't know if the, did Rintrae speak? I don't think they had a line or two. Okay. I remember them clearly. Tech window. Like this bathroom.

That is, that is tricky because the Sorcerer Supreme is responsible. And that is a, you know, weighing the living for the dead. Like, that's a tricky. thing. He lost so many people he was so desperate by that. And he was trying to save Camertage in general. He already let like a bunch of other people die. Not a great day. Not a great day.

Let me just keep these five. I need my menatar. He's important for the sequel. I need him. He's handsome and he's a porting here. He's got a credit so we need to keep him a lot. Tech window. I need it. Iron Cruz Custly. But imagine just showing Tom Cruise in your trailer as Iron Man

not needing to show the other cameos. Well that would be your ace and the whole that would be You're your biggest one. Don't give away the one people would almost be in disbelief over. Yeah. And we still might be. Who knows?

I'm in disbelief. I don't know what. I hope that there's a director's cut that's the same movie, but that just has like a stupid amount of cameos. Don't you know Rob Weifield? Yep. Talk to him for us. Yeah. Rob and Tom.

How'd out of your friends. Your secrets. What's the deal, Rob? I thought Deadpool was coming. We need the scoop, sco. Scoops as a channel of scoops. Rob LaFell officially confirms that Tom Cruise

and Nicole Kidman reunited. Next trial coming soon. Dude, get the Nicole Kidman AMC chick in the multiverse. Actually, if they cut to the... Here they are. If they cut to the Illuminati and it was her sitting down in her chair

about to watch her movie. And she just goes, heartbreak feels a little better in a place like this. That's the multibrate. of Vanders of Vandas I want They played the short They played the short version

I was so bummed out Oh the cowards They let her sit down Way too fast Flev Doran lull I did like the film I just expected more Because the bar for the MCU

is so high now It made me get hyped For the future Especially for Fantastic 4 Especially If Krasinski directs it Anyway Can't wait for what's to come

Take care Guys I'm with Flev here Can you imagine the amount of satisfaction that Marvel fans had seen Krasinski and then Faggy's like Nah Someone else We'll do something with that later There's a reason we kill the muff. We don't want it

It was a trial run It didn't work out just I didn't like it Everyone kept calling him Jim Oh Thank you guys for your contributions And I'm slowly McCoy

Do we have? I sent us to chat in No, John. I haven't done anything today. I'm just getting us back to... This is the first time I've done a live stream without any food in my system. Yeah, no, same. Oh, I had an apple, but it was like six hours ago. Not great.

A six hour apple. We should do... Every day I'm like, I'm going to do intermittent fasting. I'll start at 1.30. And then I'm like, ah, shit, I'm having my dinner at midnight. Yep. Yeah. This is not intermittent fasting.

Nope. It's just bad asses. I'm not taking care of myself. I'm going to sleep with a bunch of food of my stomach. I don't put your calories. at the end of the day, Greg, it's not the move. All right. You got this, John.

I believe in you. Fill in the silence. All righty. She's have music play. I think we're at Elmist. Yes. Name that theme song. Elmest.

Let's get these back on the screen. All right, Elmast. What I heard, when I heard the X-Men theme, I went crazy. It was so nostalgic here. that yes it was really cool and the second time we were actually able to hear it yep the first time it was like

I literally had to overhear somebody go to X-Men theme to understand what had just happened because people were still cheering over Patrick Stewart and it was the orchestral like the scope of it that was the song but with more oomph which I really enjoyed and I like to have my hand here if I look at we're going to put your head

in a harness that fight club like neck harness I'm the guy at the end I just live in my Cage. The J. Shray Way, appreciate this moment of silence. We love you. It's for me to look forward. Mark Leach. Hi, guys. Are there any superheroes that if they appear as part of the Illuminati would have had you shouting out in excitement to see? Um, are there any superheroes that they appeared as part of the Illuminati would have had you shout out in excitement to see? I mean, I got pretty excited when John Krasinski showed up. Even though, I must admit, that was. ruined for me.

Unfortunately, I was on Twitter and was not looking it up, and it got ruined for me. I started out 10 to 36 hours. I needed to... And that was a bummer, but I still really felt it when he showed up. I was like, maybe it's fake. And he showed up though. I was like, oh, cool. Look at it.

What's funny is I saw the leaks after, and then the leaks look worse than some of the Photoshop I saw from like four years ago. So like the leaks look like the Photoshop that my brain was doing Or I was like that's not real And it like yeah What's funny is what never got ruined for me was who LaShauna Lynch was playing Everyone was saying that it would probably be Like Spectrum

Or Her being full Captain Marvel was Photon Yeah But then her being just Captain Marvel Like oh Cool Not the same thing though

I mean I would have I would love to see the Iron Man Of any Iron Man N-More would have been cool. Namer would have been cool. Get an actual, you know, water person. And get a new character, like, you know, that wasn't, well, he would have died immediately. Homelander, the deep.

I was going to say, Mave, maybe. I mean, come on, they're right there, Batman. My Luminati is Nicholas Cage's Ghost Rider. Gianna Rieves' ghost rider. Nicholas Cage's Superman. Ben Afflex Daredevil. I think it's been a council of strangers. That one, I mean, that's a comic.

There's a council of reeds. Citadel of Ricks Citadel of Ricks. Yeah, Michael Waldron. Shouts out to Tyler Waldron in the chat too, a fellow Waldron. But yeah, that would have been good.

Thanks, Mark Leach. Christina. I think Namor would have been great. I think they might have had a Black Panther in there, but they decided that, like, maybe they should have. Oh, that's interesting.

That could have been the seventh chair because he's a very big part of the Illuminati than comic books. Black Panther's Integral. He leads it sometimes. And as does Namor. But I think we were all expecting massive, like,

title character like Captain Car like okay a Captain America variant right an Ironman variant a Thor variant I mean I'm glad they didn't do Jane Foster there because that's going to be such a moment later Coy Christina explain more who Clea is please so this is one of my favorite things last two hours she has not looked it up because uh there has literally been I've never gotten more texts than after Doctor Strange 2 of so many people going who was that I think this is the most confusing post-credit scene in a long time.

Clea is played by Charlize Theron, a fellow sorcerer who is the next love interest of Dr. Strange. So the closure we got with Rachel McAdams here goes immediately into a as powerful Dr. Strange parallel in Clea, but she has a bit more nefariousness to her. Sometimes she's working against him. Sometimes she tricks him into using her magic. Sometimes she tricks him into using his magic in ways that harm him. sometimes she's on our side but she's always kind of self-serving it's whatever clea needs to get done um also her origins are kind of messy because it's not always uh human like there's some some continuity's where it's like you don't know really where she comes from as far as genetically yeah like so it's it's sometimes they're like she's a person and sometimes it's like an alien and then sometimes it's like daughter abdormu but what's cool is the conflict is imagine if like captain america fell in love with red skull's daughter which is a character in the comic book sin they don't love each other they hate each other but imagine the conflict of something that's this giant entity that is everything you don't represent but you love

that daughter so it's it's kind of the inverse of rachel macadams where she understands that he has to go do these things but she loves him as a doctor and she wants him to be happy clea is kind of self-serving and loves the mystical side of him and his power set and doesn't really know what to do with the human elements so it could be a really cool character I'm going to say this right now I don't think it's a good post-credit scene I don't either I don't think it's a good post-credit scene

I think especially not after the ending I think it undercuts the ending scene pretty fast the ominous cliffhanger dude it ends so cool and like what's gonna happen and then he's like I blink now yeah and I was like I got this shit and she's just like it felt like tacked on

she looks like a Power Rangers character the costume and the makeup and the dialogue was like I don't know it just rang as not where Sam Ramey usually can do cheese that I find charming

that felt like not charming at all that just felt really weak and I did not like the way it was executed not I'm not it's not that Cleopin introduces the thing I don't like

it's the handling of that post credit scene that I did not find a particularly good post credit it also felt like the joke of people that don't like Marvel that say like nerds wait 10 minutes in the credits

and then blah blah I'm here jumps through a like they did that. Yeah, no, it felt like when another studio tries to do a post-credit scene, trying to be Marvel, but sucks at it. Yeah. And that was kind of like, oh, come on, Sony, stop it. It was amongst my least favorite post-credit scenes.

And then, like, as I'm not a giant, like Bruce Campbell's hilarious. I like them. Sam Ramey, happy, they're bros. But, like, to have the post-credit scene at the very end, after that post-credit scene, it kind of felt like a one-two punch of like, eh. If you're not an evil dead fan, you're not going to give a shit about that. And that's hard. because, and if it was maybe like something else going on in the multiverse, that was like story-wise and then, you know, Pizza Papa, but just Pizza Papa and Clea didn't really, didn't land for me.

Well, I think, like, for Sam Ramey with, with Bruce Campbell and the Spider-Man films, then we'll move on. He didn't, he didn't rely on Evil Dead for the Bruce Campbell cameos. And then here he just straight up was like, I need this. Evil Dead joke. Yeah. And I wish he did kind of like how he did with. him and Spider-Man, where he had him be, like, a fun character. Well, and it was kind of the inverse of the Captain America joke.

Like, in the Captain America joke in Homecoming, it's deserved because of how earnest and honest cap is, the sitting down, like, you're still here. Like, that joke works. This was the opposite. We just met this character. It's not in universe, and it's just like, oh, I am still here. And you talk to the camera.

Yeah, like so, I don't know. Didn't work for me personally. Lem Murphy. It worked really well for me. It should have been 30 minutes longer, more set up, Illuminati and Multiverse Hopping. I think, yeah, like that 30 minutes really would have let it just breathe a lot better. And you could have spent more time with the Illuminati.

You could have done a little bit more. Could have spent more time with everybody. Yeah. I mean, it's like, America Chavez. Even the multiverse hopping part, I'm like, you could have gone to another multiverse. Sure. It might not have been needed because you do go to some cool places here. Yeah.

Because that part of where the book of Ashanti is is not. The multiverse, it is a, is where the world, what is it, the space, the space between universes. Yes, yes, okay. So it's kind of still multiverse adjacent. Yeah, it's more like a closet. Something. Where they keep stuff. They could probably be access from other universes in some way.

What is it the, what junction, the something. In the comics is the nexus of thing, but they can't use that word because that also means beings that are nexus events. So, like, what's tricky is they've given so much stakes to, nexus beings, and then they undermine the stakes that are nexus beams. Love you, Koi. Busby, boy, Connor, 99. Hi, from Ireland, guys.

It hurts my ancestors. Do you guys think that this incursion will be the way for the Fox universe to collide with the MCU? Seems like the simplest idea to bring a mutants. No need for an origin story. Aye. Connor McGregor.

Do you do an Irish accent? I don't because I respect that country So Greg is the best Irish accent In the room Now this is the peak This is what we get All right Did she say in Bruges?

I think that is a method to do it I don't know if they're actually going To keep the X-Men canon Because what they showed us here Is that you know This Xavier is a kind of a universal constant But since we've already met McAvoy Since we've already had different visuals of X-Men

I don't think you need to explain the Fox Universe I think you could do an incursion event with those characters and have them die off so the mainstream audience that doesn't necessarily get comic movies understand they're no longer your X-Men and maybe also you know if you want to play with Deadpool that way but overall I don't know if the incursion concept will carry on past this because it's such a big concept to half tell and I feel like this is as close as we'll probably get I mean the incursion to me seems like it wouldn't make things very easy at all

it seems like it would wreck a lot of stuff and make things uninhabitable for whoever's involved Like that one planet, like that, that strange, like, evil planet. Yeah. And also the weird lack of using what if whatsoever. Like, why wasn't that strange, the evil strange we had in what if? Why wasn't any of the continuity with like, like, the trailers made it look like we had zombie Wanda, evil strange, all those things. And the only thing we really got from what if was Agent Carter.

But that, I don't think that's the same carter. And it's not even necessarily the same carder either. It's a different costume and it's like different tweaks. Yeah. And she doesn't like. So it's the concept of her. What if season one doesn't end with her going, I'm going to go join the Illuminati? You know?

Right. Like, they defeat Ultron. So, like, what if didn't feel like it set this up like we thought it did? I feel like it just helped you understand kind of a concept of the multiverse in a way. Yeah. But I think Loki did that already. Right. Yeah.

Which also doesn't feel like it is involved at all. The TVA wasn't involved at all. You know what I think the Illuminati scene needed. Everyone needed an entrance. Yeah, sound of a cool. Sit in pen. Yeah. The only got an entrance was fucking like Mr. Fantastic, weirdly showing up late.

I was busy, bro. I was doing read stuff. They should have all portled in their own way. Like the thing with a shield, that catches it, then they reveals her. That's cool. Yeah.

But then you would have to have people doing stuff just to show off for us, the audience. Yes. Yes. That's fair. Rayla and Rodney react. Who do you think will be the big bad

of phase four? Kang. And codos. I think they're going to reveal that because it seems like that's what's what's kept the first three phases of the MCU so focused was you knew from Avengers one that this was all

building to Thanos like it became very evident and you knew that that was what was coming so you were always looking for the direction of that here everything kind of feels like scattered and disparate and I like that we haven't had an Avengers announcement in a while so I think it'd be really badass if like a they don't even announce it at like a Comic-Con or a D-23 that they just

show trailer at a post-credit scene yeah or yeah or the young Avengers will return or something something that just announces Avengers Secret Wars and in the movie itself that'd be awesome I'd love that please do that secret invasion in some way well yeah because the first three phases had that one singular buildup and it makes

me wonder how they're going to do if they're going to do one big bad for this phase and change it or do some kind of multi-phase build up of a big big bad yeah I do feel like this one is intentionally more like I said at the beginning like disparate like it's very yeah and so I don't know if there's going to be a singular but we're setting up

Namor, Doom, and Kang, so that's a lot of big bads. I appreciate you guys for the most, like, more than most of the live streams. You guys are, like, actually asking a lot of different questions. Yeah, we haven't had a lot of repeats. Yeah, that's a, that's a refreshing thing. Also, it hasn't been a lot of, like, this is a thing. What of this thing? Like, it's been, like,

actual conversations. Let's see how the rest of this goes. And now nobody superchatted a Morbius sweep. It's all the same. Do you see Wanda appearing, thanks, Seb Ford, appearing in Agatha series, potentially being trained by Agatha? I feel like they really need to make Agatha her own thing. I think she can make

like an appearance, sure. Actually, based off of the events of here, she like goes into hiding and they really do the training thing. Yeah. Maybe she goes back and wakes her up and is like, hey, I need your help. Because doesn't Agatha train her? Yeah. And in the comic books, like you know, you couldn't

do that in Wanda Vision because the reveal wouldn't work. But now that we know what Agatha is and that it was her all along, that would be a fun way to do that comic story. Yeah, that would be actually great. And I'd love to see those visuals because there's so much great stuff with Agatha and Wondagore and like full witchcraft and stuff and that in and Wanda needs the training

well but also like maybe like rebuilding her like without Darkhold or like rebuilding her magic in her control or like maybe doing some of those things and and that's what Elizabeth Olson's been saying a lot is like Shirley wants to lead into the witch side of Scarlet Witch going forward cool Zuri Bury do you think Earth 616 Strange will look for Reed Richards and the rest of the Illuminati

not according to that post credits I don't feel like he even valued them I don't think he cares about much Like it just feels like he's off doing his own stuff Which to be fair is very much comic book Dr. Strange like people are always knocking on his door Like anytime any mystical magical stuff happens Spider-Man's like bruh

And like when he's usually not even home So Dr. Strange is like dealing with a lot Message for you strange I've needed your help for six years But like Dr. Strange is usually off doing his own thing He's tied into the comic books But he's arguably more of a defender Than an Avenger

And the defenders are Silver Surfer for Hulk, Dr. Strange, and the fourth kind of rotates, but I'm not placing right now. Sometimes, anyway, Danny Rand, the iron. Yeah, like, warlock thing, like, yeah, Danny Rand. Like, there's, not that day. But anyway, uh, those

characters are more mystic-based and big than the defenders we got in the Netflix universe, which are literally street level. So, Dr. Strange isn't as much of a team player as we've had him be so far in the movies. Yeah, yeah. All right. On the spear.

So, guys. Thoughts on Manda completely destroying the Illuminati. Personally, I don't think this will be the end for each of the members. No, and I think that's what gets a little people dismayed when they don't need to be, like, dismayed of they thought, I think what a lot of people expected, and understandably so. You, like, you show the, you know, Professor X in there. You think this is going to be the introduction of mutants. It feels like it's going to kind of be what the comics sort of, but I feel like this, I feel like the real multiverse of madness is going to be Secret War. because we got X-forced.

We met these teams. Yeah. Well, I think we thought that they were going to like smash multiverses together in some way. And then then we're going to have mutants and like, oh, this is how they get brought over into here. But no, these are just alternate versions and we will get the real versions of them. Yeah. Like we will get a professor X, you know. Yeah.

And I think we're getting them soon. But I don't, I don't know. Like I feel like, I feel like the first 10 years of Marvel were very. curated and set up and then the next five years of Marvel we're going to be setting something up and then COVID happened and they had to rewrite a lot and I feel like what Kevin Faggy's setting up now is the next 10 years of Marvel to be as tight as the first 10 but I do think there's going to be a couple more bumps like I feel like we're going to have to sort this out to get back into that pattern Bob Chaypec stepped in was like we spent billions of dollars buying them

throw a couple of them in there just tossed in a maccoy we'll figure it out put Mr. Fantastic an X in there Ryan's busy making free guys seven we can't get how much this cost us. Let's build a ride instead. How far? Hey inhale burrito. I would love to. I would love that. How far do y'all think Disney will go with the blood and possibly gore? Now

after seeing this and moon canite. Uh, I think they will go as close as far as they've gone as far as they can on a PG-13. I think having Sam Ramey for that effect is good because he knows how to do

like drag me to hell's PG-13 and times. I forget that. And he knows how to push the, like, find the right tone. MPA is so stupid. Find the macabre nature of it to the point where it's like, it's not exactly R-rated, but we got there. We skirt the line just enough.

It's so arbitrary. Like, you can literally take out a couple frame. Like, Fast and the Furious, the first Fast and Furious, a movie that by no means is close to rated R was rated R for the first three cuts because they hold on the dude when, if you haven't seen Fast and Furious, fix your life. The scene where he jumps on the truck

and he's got the thing wrapped around his arm and he's hanging and it gets bloody. They had to recut that three times because of blood on a guy's arm due to like a metal thing wrapped around it. That movie isn't even close to red at R but because of blood, the audiences, the MPA thinks we can't hang. But then this movie is full on

terrifying. I don't think this need to be read at R either, but I don't think the PG-13R system is as cut and dry as people assume it is. So this question is inherently loaded because we've got things like Blade coming out. We've got We'rewolf by night We've got all these things But some are on TV

Which is a completely different system And Blade, I would argue Needs to be rated R But I don't know if This new version is going to reflect The version we're used to I'm true I would be surprised

Because like the old ones are so good I just rewatch them all They're so like Blade is It holds up so much better Than I would have ever dreamed Blade Trinity man Woo That's how we got Deadpool

That's where the money's at That's what the magic happens That's where is that That iPod commercial Jessica Beal Oh yeah Someday I'll watch Blade Ryan

Gilliam. You've never seen Blade? Oh, I've got a story about Blade. All three? Yeah. Can we do a reaction to John watch? Can we do a reaction to me watching John watch Blade? I think that'd be very distracting.

A box. Within a box. It's just me going like... Somehow, Koi's reaction is bigger than John. We went to see. I'll tell the story when we have time. Ryan Gillan, what if Dr. Strange and American Chavez teleported to Hoggward

The American Chavez I do love all those times where they're like We gotta save America Not the multiverse I was like That's that's how we would prioritize it if we actually

Had Multiversal Drive We've got to protect every America What if Dr. Strange and America Chavez teleported to Hogwarts And teamed up with Wizards to stop Wanda Okay so you got That should have been canon

That should have happened Clearly Malfoy's on the Illuminati And he was just he was the seventh chair because he had to go talk to his father but I do who would be the Hogwarts Illuminati

McGonical Malfoy Sna for Mione for sure Snape Snape comes out in the wheelchair and does the whole like maybe he's good

let's see what kind of you are Dumbledore can't speak it would be fun let's get that WB Warner Bros merger or WB Disney merger

going Not for Batman and Spider-Band, but for Hogwarts and Witchcraft. Or for my man-bateman spider crossover, Dakota Jones will Kang control Battleworld? Subscribe to Cota Jones on Instagram 1 underscore Virus Effects. He does cool shit. Kang will control Battleworld. What do you think? I love this question because you know what Battleworld is and that is something that's going to be very near and dear and nerdy very soon.

I do think we're getting to that level. I do think we're getting to the world of Secret Wars and all those big things in Battleworld. I do think it's going to be a way to bring things together like Greg was suggesting. I don't know if it'll be Kang because I've always seen Kang as someone kind of above that shit. Like he was a guy that's just like, I'm doing what I want for me. I'm a conqueror. I run all this stuff. I don't have time for semantics.

I don't care about these people battling. I don't care about heroes and villains. That's the beyonder. And that's the difference between the Beyonder and Kang. I do think we're going to get the Beyonder. I love the idea of Kang opening up the everyday person's possibility for this big of the character. I think Kang is going to be Kang's our gateway drug

like Kang is our lead into what's to come with Beyonder and all those things Roll up that king Yeah you just need a little The first one's free and Loki But like I do think that's what's coming And I think it's going to get a lot bigger

And bigger and bigger and bigger from Kang Ab Fab Dead show no no no The Jay Shrey Way Glad you love the movie Ginger Sky Where was Vision and Goodwanda's reality He was the white guy that you saw him as in the first

episode of Wanda Vision. Yep, just casual straight-edge, boring guy. White Paul Bettney, office working guy. Answering information on the computer. Yuckety-Yuck. Yeah, don't talk, guy. Dead shots. Yeah, no, we noticed too.

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The Wackin' the Bay movie. And that movie delivered fullheartedly for everyone. Everyone loves it. Still talking about it. Lived up to the hype. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it.

Yeah, I think Sony Sony needs to take more notes than just that. You know? Just a couple. Right, Coy? I like movies. I like movies very much.

I like different movies for different reasons, different ways. Talk about it, cool. And here we are, talking about movies. We love, like the movies. I'm that cool kidman? Hey, Harpink feels a little better in a place like this. What do you think Sony could apply from the MCU to make the Morvius franchise really reach its full potential? I think it should have a post-credit scene with Clea in it.

That's what they should do. Ryan Sweeter. Hi, guys. Watching you guys since WandaVision. we really brought in an audience since WandaVisians. Marvel Wanda. Thank you, Wanda. I love the movie.

Easily one of my favorite. I'm really glad you feel that way, especially after, you know, some of the discourse comes in the fact from Wanda Vision and Dr. Strange to the fact that you loved it. And thanks for being here with us for so long.

The Wanda Vision journey is a journey on that. Honestly, when that was coming to a close, I remember feeling really sad about not experiencing, Like even to this day, we haven't covered a show where we were just so invested. The Wanda Vision era was a really special time of like fandom. It was event TV.

Yeah. Truly event TV. That's how I got my, I grew my Instagram a lot through doing like lives. And it was the most engaged I've felt with the fandom since like Avengers. I would talk about it with people outside of here. Like all the time. It was like such a common conversation I was having. Yeah.

With everyone. Not just not reviewing it. Just talking about it. What's going to happen? What's going to happen? And just the, yeah, the amount of discussion around it was just so monumental. And then to say, and then like all the videos we were doing on it beyond just reacting to the show. And then I remember like the night of I was really sad.

Like, oh, this is ending. Because it's like saying goodbye to a friend. Yeah. Yeah. Like the show, like the shared experience of the show and the discourse and then the emotional resonance of the show itself. Like, yeah. I think looking back, I might consider Loki a better show. However, I think WandaVision did something stronger than Loki for me,

which was I cared way more about the characters, the main characters than I did in Loki. It's why when I did my ranking, Wanda Vision is my second, but like it's only marginal, and those two are so different from the rest. There's so many little things you can tick back and forth, because Wanda Vision 2 breaks the mold the most in terms of just style and format. When I think about Loki, I don't really think about the character journeys. more about like I actually think about myself I actually do think about the existential

but not as much as Wanda Vision but I love the characters in Loki but like the what got Wanda Vision changed for me was like I liked Wanda Vision but I'm like oh my God I'm in love with him and you already liked Loki a lot whereas like we didn't get a lot of time with Wander Vision before then so we got the most growth because of that

yeah they did in a very unique way that could only work for their characters well that's the thing with this movie too is that with Loki I feel like a lot of what they with his character journey, you don't want it to be the same, but I'm like, I could see easily how the writer who guided this series confronted this character could do that to know your stranger, this movie.

But anyway, Dakota Jones is back. Felt like, thank you, Dakota, we love you. Felt like creep show, but with a ramy budget. It would be fun for there to be some type of anthology film that Marvel does one day. I don't think they ever will, but I think that would be a really cool, like an actual anthology movie. And there's plenty of stories.

to only live there. There's plenty of stories that can't live in canon. It'd be really fun to have that unique little pocket. I wonder how they could pitch that. Maybe they should do that for like Disney Plus. I feel like it would be a good theater experience.

I would love that theater. I feel like they should find a way to do like Marvel Unconnected. Like here's the main continuity and then here's something like an anthology that might factor in tangentially but is mainly just about this one. I think it's DC strength.

I really, you know, DC's crushed it by doing that. I really want them for their animated shit to do direct graphic novel adaptations. The way D.C. does. The way the way D.C. does. I'm like, why not do that? I'd love to see some stuff. We won't see. Do your infinity gauntlet, you know?

Bring me ManSpider. Bring him, Man Spider. Dude, Daredevil born again. I want recommendations for Man Spider and Man Bat. All right. I will give you all the hybrids you want. I got you. Give me your faves.

Andrew Saba. First appearance of Morbius. Speaking of Morbius Sweet, little Man Spider action. Amazing Spider Man 103 after he appears in 101. Just saying. Morbius 2. Bring it. Morbius sweet. You're going to wish you were in the audience.

of Koi when he's asking a comment question. Who knows this deep cut answer? No one? I'm keeping the poster to myself. I'm gonna keep all these signatures and the posters. You're gonna sit there awkwardly wondering who this guy is. I still have a Moribius poster in the trunk of my car. Andrew Saba. I have like nine. I do and I'm still trying to figure out what to do with it.

So if you want to give them all to me. Andrew Saba, happy to see a new Ramey movie after so long. Loved the way this movie was so unapologetically cheesy. The cheese. Strange vs. Strange Music Fight was so awesome and creative. By the way, last name is pronounced Seba. Andrew

Sabah. I screwed it up. I'm sorry. What did you say? Saba. Dumbass. Seba. Yeah. I'm an idiot. Like Sega. Sega. Sega. Sega. Sabba. Sabah. Andrew Sabah.

Sabah. Sabah. We got a Sega T-shirt for when we eventually react to Sonic. Oh. Love that. Franchise. Love it so much. Have you guys not seen Sonic yet? Waiting for it to come out.

Have you seen the first one? There was something, we had to cancel our tickets that day, and then next theater showings that were not good seats. So I was like, you know what? Why don't we just react to this when it comes out? I've seen the first one? Yeah. Okay, it's better, which is impressive.

I actually, on rewatching it, I like the first one a lot. Yeah, the first one was my favorite video game movie. Now, too, is. It's that good. Sega talk. We must move along. Jesus Christ. Absolutely loved the cheese and the rameasms and the creativity all throughout.

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Garcia. Dr. Strange and the McGuffins of Madness. How many McGuffins? Count them all.

They're very enjoyable Macuffins Beguess, you know. Cisco which the one good thing is that that was that

World's Illuminati and we still have yet to see the Lamanud in Laman. The Lamanuity. Naked Lamaanudie.

Naked Lamaas. The Illuminati of Earth 616. Sure. I think we should... I don't think there is an Illuminati on our Earth yet. I think the Illuminati... I think the Avengers equivalent on that universe of the Illuminati. And I think they formed because one of their own...

Not betrayed them, but became corrupt. I think the way we get to the Illuminati in the 616 universe is reforming a different Avengers, and then them needing some sort of accountability beyond the Avengers. I think the best thing about the Illuminati, especially in the comic books is they're doing so in X-Men you've got your mainstream team and then you've got like X-Factor

and all these different teams that have different purposes X-Force is the team that does the things that no one else can do they're the mercenaries they're your Wolverine your Deadpool your slylock your your bigger powerhouses Luminati always felt like the intellectualized version of that to me they always felt like the thinkers that had to think the thoughts that no one else was willing

to think but until you get an Avengers reformed in the MCU as we have it it doesn't really work to have an Illuminati but I agree with what you're saying I just hope They played a long game. It's my favorite thought I've had today. You know, it's going to be really exciting when we see, like, Shang-chi. In the team.

And Eternal. Yeah. You know, Eternals is almost in Moon Night. Really? Yeah. Oh, I'm Moon Night. They almost had Kamil Nanjani in the ancient Egypt with Kanshu. I would have loved that.

Yeah. That would have been great. Camel would have been perfect. Right? Like that tone, but, yeah. And funny enough, Pokemon and comic book stuff all day, thinks Dr. Strange will turn into the Dr. Strange, we get at the end of incursions

and the Illuminati and Doom World collide. Oh, interesting. Possibility. Pretty cool, pretty cool. And addressia. I think Cathon, I think you're addressedia. I think Cathon is going to be upset with Wanda for his story in his book collection. Oh, honey. Have you seen

my dark holes anywhere? I thought I left in the crapper. Have you seen my children? I do think those dark hole, those Cathon goons, whatever the fuck they're called. were totally wasted. Jokes aside. Yeah, they didn't do anything of a bow and then they got thrown off. Yeah, they literally did nothing.

They formed. They were great for the trailers. Jokes aside, I hope Marvel gets more into Elder God lower. Yes, absolutely. Seuss is coming. I think we're going to see tons of weird gods in two months. And then I think that, you know, we're playing, you have to escalate. So gods are a natural progression.

So I think they're going to go there. But we got to see how it all ties together. Thank the weird gods. like ties together in a way that feels smooth and not disjointed. I like your ambition. I like your optimism. I think it's going to be real weird when we got Zeus and Elder Gods. Especially what it's Russell Crow.

There's got to be a way to do it. It's got to be. And if anyone can, it's Kevin Vaggy. I just don't know if we're, I don't know if in the next three movies it's going to feel cohesive or if it's going to take another five movies to retroactively put it back together. Does that feel he tied together right now? It's not. It's not feeling as clearly tied together.

That's what I mean. I think you're going to need a secret oars or a battle world or and... But Fikey came out and said, which I guess is part of the extended canon of the multiverse of madness, that... The events of Kang and Loki are the reasons all this stuff in Spider-Man and Loki are happening. But they need a movie to say that.

They need that, Kevin Feigley. And that's why I think at the end it's going to wrap up, because I trust Kevin. You rock stars are here. True power is in the... dark hole is that philip who's typing that yep that's uh that's philip that sounds like

that sounds like a philip clip this to all your brands but like do you know what I mean like you need the movie that is going to go retroactively like how age of Ultron is a better movie now that it was when it came out I think we're going to get a lot of movies that culminate in retroactively patching these holes in the tires yeah it's gonna be great I love retroactively patching holes in tires that's uh that's what I do Thor of the dark world is the best now All righty

Okay, Connie Gangas Connie sang What's up, sister? I know Krasinski was a fan cast For a long time But as someone who knows Connie, I'm gonna invite you over Someone who knows very little

About Fantastic Four Reed and Krasinski Outside of The Office What makes him the top choice Among so many fans Miss you dudes Miss you too I hope you enjoyed the Nicholas Cage movie

I assume you've seen it by now I think he just there's this natural I think he's proven himself where he could be an action hero and there's also this he's proven himself that he could lead as well he says that's the thing with John Krasinski

that he had to prove that's the number one thing he had to prove coming out of the office too was can he be a lead 13 hours he was the main support he was a highlight one of the biggest stars in the show but at the end of the day he was a supporting character and it's a much bigger difference

you become the lead character he can lead he has the there's something that feels like it's a natural sincerity to the way he could be re-richers because that's a big part of him where he also has proven that he's not just sarcastic Jim Helpert. He could actually be a really

sincere guy. There's a lot of qualities about John Krasinski, the person, that fit beyond just the aesthetic. Yeah, the aesthetic's important, obviously, because it's comic books and we like the drawings to look like our characters. But I think the biggest thing for me is that he not only feels like a leader, but he also feels like he

could be a family man. Marvel's first family. I'm a family guy. I'm a family guy. Like the Marvel's first family is Marvel's first family. Like it's the X-Men are a family that are because they've been put into a situation. And the Avengers are a family because they work together. But Marvel's first family is a family where you've got Reed who feels impossible guilt about what. I interrupt you someone in the chat.

Oh, where was it? It said, Coy is so hot. I had to say it. Way to lose that, John. Oh, fine. Oh, oh, oh, deny a dancer. Should I place the pin comment? Yes, yes.

That's a very important. Sorry, new rock stars. You're getting out of here. My dark holes, what they're focused on. Coy's dark hole is the hottest. Lost the hotness. Everyone, look on the floor for Coy's hotness. Does anyone see it?

Let me pin that new rock stars back up there. Let's go and replace that. But the family aspect is what means so much to me is that you've got the thing who is his best friend that is forever a monster that's traumatized. And you've got the guilt of Reed Richards, who's the most intelligent man in the multiverse, not being able to solve the problem he caused. You've got, you know, Johnny, who is the human torch, who's this reckless hothead that loves his sister,

that Reed has to deal with, that he loves, but he doesn't understand. You've got Sue and Reed, who are both very intelligent, very incapable, not being able to handle all the pressure of being scientists and adventurers, but also heroes. And you've got all of that while also being a guy that isn't always likable. So you need him to be very likable. That way, when he's not likable, you're like, oh, I get this character. a different way than your Dr. Strange

and your Tony Starks, who are very unlikable in other ways. So I think the Reed Richards casting is one of the hardest ones to get right, because the character, there's a reason the other two movies didn't work as well, because the family aspect is first, the action adventure is second, but those cannot be shortchanged at the cost of the family. So

John Krasinski is perfect because he embodies all of those things, and we have certain associations with him, and because he cares. And his caring shows and all of his work, and I think it's going to be really essential. I'm excited. Yeah, you know, I agree, especially on the care part, because even in that moment when he's connecting to Wanda, that was my favorite part of his

whole thing, was when he's trying to talk to, like, get through to Wanda to, like, stop this. You have that. Caresensky, that expression in the eyes that he does. That's why he can do a performance, like a quiet place and have limited dialogue, but still be a gripping actor. The good, big fucking eyes that

Krzynski has. His news show. Like, that was, it helped me get through the pandemic, man. Oh, some good news. Some good news was one of the only things that, like, kept me sane, man. Yeah, just seems like a good. And I think his relationship with Emily Blund makes much more appealing because then you're like I buy him as a family man because they also see

we get an invisible underwear gag in the eventual somehow I doubt this is this is the movie for it they also seem he seems like their relationship at least appears like they seem like they really get along and they have a lot of fun together yeah yeah like they have a great sense of humor with each other so

that is one of those things of I would it would be cool for Emily Blunt to also I mean I love that if she wants to but only if she wants too because she said she'll give a shit if she wants to. Make the Batfleck movie, okay? Make the Matt Fleck, strap him to a chair, film his face, mocap the rest.

Do it like in Bowfleggard. Just stalk him around and then work him into footage. Just have him beat up the paparazzi that are stalking him, make it a bat suit. Batman hates cameras hates him so much. Jacob Belts. Am I the only one who thinks Wiccan and Speed aren't coming to the

MCU? She can't take variant kids to the 616 universe. It'll cause an incursion. Yeah, I think they need to do something about those kids, man. I think they messed up. They are not. They are not. Even in Wanda Vision, I felt like they needed more writing for me to really care.

Well, at the end of the Wanda Vision arc, the voices crying out made it feel like they could come back to the 616. And then this whole movie was like, they can't. That's the whole plot. Well, it's funny because in the Wanda Vision one, they're like, oh, that's what they meant by the scream earlier in the channel. That bothered me so much because that's a Young Avengers moment. And, like, the fact that they didn't make that important. I'm like, you guys are setting up Young Avengers, and you ignored how you're setting up Young Avengers. They're not that appealing of, like, they don't know how to write kids a lot of time.

I think the kids are, they're just like, what do, like, Hollywood character kids that behave? I'm going to sing about ice cream. They're not very amblin kids, but the rest did not. Just going to sit and watch TV all day is what those kids do. And eat ice cream. debate baseball if you pay attention to when they burst through the wall america and wanda you see god i'm in the name's mixed up which one is the green

one long-haired one long-haired one is that one tommy speed okay oh i don't know the kid name i was like i think tommy is speed right that one through the wall even the speed is just looking at the tv when they're all right or they're i'm like watching them going he's not even paying attention to He doesn't care at all

Really not invested He's just looking right of the TV Worst Avenger ever Has no hero instincts Tommy Speed right The worst avenger The worst Avenger Adam from the fan pops

Thanks man Hey guys it was awesome meeting John and Coy on the carpet last week Oh snap I'm so glad because Greg's my least favorite How you do you guys were so cool And took a pick with me and my wife Thank God Greg wasn't there

He would have ruined it Oh What are your guys Thoughts on where we go with the real Rejects now that we can get Greg out of here. What do you think is next for Greg after he leaves here? Insane writing success.

What do you guys God? What do you think is next for Wanda? Well, once Greg writes the next I will write it, yeah. I liked the, it's cool you guys got to meet him. Yeah, tag us in that picture. Post that picture and tag us. And invite

them to the bedroom with your wife. Yeah, let's all have a a group activity. Can we bring in fan pops? As long as we can bring in pops. Yeah. That's how I get down. We'll do it on a bed of Funco Pop.

Where do we go from here? You go into the Thor Love and Thunder Guns and Rosie song, man. Kinky. Where do we go now? Where do we? I think, I don't know where they're going with this franchise right now.

That post-credit scene really rubbed me the wrong way. So I think Wanda, like I mentioned earlier, I would love to see as they explore the relationship with Magneto, I think that'd be a really interesting thing. I don't know if they'll do it. They've made her continuity so muddied. They really could bring in Magnina

and be like, yeah, we were wrong about that miracle kid's stuff. But like they can make that work because they've gotten rid of her accent. They've gotten rid of a lot. That said, I think they need to let the Wanda arc

breathe for a minute and bring her back with kind of the retroactive bike tire patching. Like you need to get that seven and eight arc between six and nine that this movie that I keep referencing. You need to make sure you understand her motivations without the dark hold

as a MacGuffin you need to understand those things so I would focus on maybe a Wanda movie I want her to get some time and maybe pop up in Agatha to remind us how much we love her but I think she needs her own time to grow as a character

and I wouldn't even mind if that's how you introduce you know some of the trauma of Magneto and it was nice to meet you very much was Edwin Raj thank you so much for jumping in Dr. Strange

I had a good thought I can't remember doesn't matter. Jump in when it comes. Dr. Strange movie without a mirror universe? Strange Fighting Wanda in mirror universe would have been interesting to see. I mean,

he technically traps her there for a hot second, doesn't it? I love the way that sequence was realized. So pretty. That was a really tough. The lack of music, too. And at one moment, like, Strange might have something on her and the way she figures it out.

Yeah. Oh, so great. And great blend of practical and CG, because, like, those glass shards that appear pretty practical. I like how they try to trap her and she figures her way out a lot of the time. What I, what I'm finding in this conversation we've had for a few hours is that I really, really, really enjoyed the sequences as much as I felt like I did. But just as you said, as soon as I left, it didn't leave me with, with more. And so, like, I do think the movie was exceptional in many, many, many, many sequences.

I just don't feel like I walked out of having experienced the 34th installment in the MCU, nor do I feel like I've experienced a continuation of either Dr. Strange or Wanda. And those are essential things. You know what? I think that post credit scene should have been. Anything else. I think it should have just been Clea learning about Stranget going out and deciding to go find him Yeah. Instead of seeing him like boop. Yeah, and to rejoin him just again Strolling down the sidewalk. Yeah, dude is hanging out on Bleaker Street. Just chilling. Homeboys in Soho. You can find him right now apparently. That was moments later after that. Yeah, but he stood up.

Sorry, that was weird. He conjured himself up a sweater and he's fine. I mean, what's Dr. Strange three going to be? Like you just just hop into whatever they're doing. So that's what I mean is like, what would be more interesting if he, if they meet him. Anyway. Jacob Aeson. Sean Bean should play the next Professor X.

And plot twist, he doesn't die. I wonder if he would, does I have the right head? I think his head's too handsome. We got to shave his head and find out. Yeah, well,

if McAvoy's got a handsome head and he's handsome. Yeah. I surprised McAvoy's bald head. It was really solid. Yeah, it was like a solid ball head. Good ball. I feel like you need to go a little younger.

to start a franchise. I love Sean Bean, but I don't know if you can start with Sean Bean. Who would you cast? I personally... MacGovary? I want Sterling K. Brown. Richard Jenkins.

Yeah, I think Sterling K. Brown would be an exceptional Professor X because he's really intellectual. He can lead. He can also play both soft and well-spoken, but also very aggressive. You could go into the darker side of Professor X, but he also is someone that I could see

like making children afraid of him and respect him, but also have them want to inspire greatness. So Sterling K. Brown's my, my professor X. There's a good warmth he can bring out. Yeah, and well, like, and you need to be, he's almost like the scariest headmaster of all time while also being someone that inspires greatness at all time. And that's really important. I think Sterling's got that.

I think Alex Jones is better. I, yeah. Or Ben Shapiro. Yes, that's who we need. I think these beautists need to be locked up. They're great brotherhood of evil mutin's characters. Okay. Simmons, Professor X.

There's plenty of senators and characters in the X-Men universe they can play. All right. Spideo. You're my best friend. Ben Shapiro as Senator Kelly. Spidey 0870. He sent us a moment of silence. Thank you, my friend.

Thank you. Andrew Davison. After watching this movie, I liked it, but didn't love it. That's, I'm sorry. The more I thought about it, the more I agree with my friends and was unsure how I felt about it, I'm writing a letter to send to Marvel Studios to let them know how I feel, but the letter is for me and me alone. So mailing it to myself. Mail into myself

as a way to, then I will bury it in the backyard. I realize I have fun with it, but I have more criticisms than before. That's the kind of movie it is. I didn't really have, I couldn't quite pinpoint my gripe with the, as much as I found it exciting with the cameos, I couldn't quite pinpoint until my second viewing. And I was like,

I get it now. Yeah, they're very similar. That post-credit scene, though, does bother me. Yeah. The opening bothers me. The mid-credit scene bothers me. I love the postcards. I'm glad. I want people to love this. I want it to do well on people to be happy.

I love the Gargantos fight. Yeah? I love it. It feels like, it feels, I keep saying this, it feels like Sam Ramey's Spider-Man, but like this is going on the other side

of New York with Dr. Schrain. Yeah. Well, it is one of the few moments where like as he is jumping into that fight, you see a couple, like just regular citizen perspectives. He saves a couple regular people.

There's a guy who tries ramming his motorcycle and I don't know why. He was just trying to help. He was just trying to help. I'm in a glory. Yeah. Guys, that was clearly ghost rider before he got his powers.

Did you guys not catch that Johnny Blais? After that, he's going to make a deal with a devil. Yeah, he's like, I got hot on a motorcycle accident. And I hear there's supernatural shit. So I'm going to go talk to Mephisto. Mephisto confirmed. Frankie J.

How much did the pandemic mess with the MCU and this movie? I feel like we don't. We don't have a little. linear way we're going with these movies, but I might be all right with that. I think you mess with the MCU. Sorry, John, what are you going to say? No, go. On red? Oh!

No! Multiverse. Yeah, I would say that this movie was supposed to come up before Spider-Man. So there are some scenes that seem re-shot, you know? And a certain character was supposed to bring someone through portals. Yeah, in America. It was supposed to be introduced in Spider-Man.

Also, her in the opening of the movie that bothers me so much wouldn't have bothered me if we'd met her in No Way Home. Wait, was this supposed to come up before Spider-Man? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. No Way Home was first, and then this. It was always that way? Yeah. For some reason, am I wrong? I could be wrong. I could actually be wrong. Was Spider-Man supposed to, or am I getting a mix up with the Sonyverse?

Yeah, I'm not, I don't remember the original order now. And I was so sure, and I'm completely now. I think it was morbius was supposed to come up before No-Way Home? Yes, for sure. Okay, so no, no, no, no. This was supposed to come out after No-Way Home. But she was supposed to be in No-Way Home. That's the other. Which would have been more more applicable to the opening where we care about her. Because if she brought in Toby and Andrew, you're automatically going to

care about this character. I mean, that way when she's running from something, you're like, no, not her. Well, there are reports that this was originally supposed to take place at least before no way home. Maybe that's something else. It wasn't necessarily supposed to be, I don't know if it was supposed to be released then, but it was supposed to originally take place before that. Okay. Yeah, my memories. I don't think it really

fucked with it that much. I feel like, I don't know why they shortened it up so much. I mean, I buy what you kind of expressed, which is the idea of like they had maybe a five or 10 year plan going, then the pandemic happened. Then they're like, whoa, we got to kind of adjust for uncertainty. And now they're restructuring. And now we're getting a better long-term structure.

Like, that's kind of how I feel. So I feel like it definitely played some impact, but not as much as it could have. I think there's a reason we don't have an end of phase four in the announcements. And I think they're letting that flow. Yeah. Thank you, Louis Berry for the super stinger. Oh, look at that. So cute.

Thank you. Mr. 47. Mom is the perfect movie to take your moms to see. Yeah, I'd be like, be more like her. Yeah, Mom. The Scarlet Witch. Fight for me.

Fight for me. Show me, you love me. Don't neglect me. By hurting yourself. I agree. Thank you for the super chat. Last month we had a tax movie, now we got a mom movie. Everything's going great, man.

My mom loves Evil Dead. All these women traversing the multiverse. Rate Strange Christine Chemistry and Chavez is acting. Both five out of ten for me. Ouch. Wow. I mean, I'm not like Madeline in love with this. the strange Christine chemistry, but I thought that one scene was much more solid.

I liked it a lot here. I think the Chavez and strange chemistry is not like monumental. I think it should have had like more of that clear like possible father mentor or which it did until the very last beat. Yeah, it did it. But I think as an isolated performer, she's really good. Yeah, I don't think any of the chemistry in her. There's no one here.

I haven't talked once about the chemistry of anyone for a reason. Yeah, no character, except Wong and, well, Benedict's and Benedict. I do really love the chemistry, though, in the first scene when Benedict is talking with Wanda. Yeah, yes, that's good. The, uh, not, I want to confuse you. Strange is talking about Wanda. Yeah, I agree. I think there's chemistry there is really strong.

And I think that Wong and Strange chemistry is strong, but they don't get a lot of screen time together. That's a carryover, though. Right. Yeah. So, but I'm saying, like, those only ones were really feeling. Have we seen Strange and Wanda interact before? because they act like they know each other I think it's a tangential Maybe he knew her from when he

brought her in from Infinity War and all that But yeah We needed more moments in Infinity War To establish their release But I like the I like that scene I like that scene a lot When they first meet

What I liked America Chavez is I like Zosci Gomez's performance in general I think it is slighted a bit By just how brief a lot of her moments are So things that could probably read better And a breathable scene Maybe don't so much but I didn't think she was bad.

All right. She was way higher than five out of ten for me, unfortunately, for you. A man of culture. So, what movie or show do you think Wonder returns in? The next Doctor Strange movie? Or the eventual X-Men film? Something different? Young Avengers?

A one shot. I think possibly Agatha, and then I would like X-Men, is my answer. I mean, they have to reserve it for a property that involved. multiverse considering her main power is multiverse traveling I would turn of Wanda Wanda I read it is America my bad

yeah you did completely like that's not true that's why I said it with such conviction I was like what's young adventure I was like we're in America's job as we do it in the back in the next one she's like I don't have kids I don't know what you're talking about I'm 17 I usually eat within the first two hours of being and here we are you guys

hour three I'm feeling it I'm feeling I'm going to have a lunch of my family and 30 minutes hopefully. Daniel West, did you guys prefer No Way Home or Multiverse of Madness? No Way Home by a lot. Yeah, No Way Home for sure. I prefer the emotional resonance of No Way Home. I prefer the Mad Cap

Strange horror of Dr. Strange. You didn't prefer, like the Mad Cap Strange Horror and No Way Home? Yeah, it's a weird thing to not like. There are things about this movie that I would cling to sooner and want to rewatch with more enthusiasm. However, Spider-Man No Way Home for the emotional

thing that it is, I think, is really wonderful and compelling. So, I mean, politics over here. Literally, no way home goes, all the plotting circumstances, you know, we're just kind of go play fast and loose with that, but the emotion is what we are focused on.

Whereas Dr. Strange is like, you know, we'll get the emotions across, but we really want to kind of focus in on this multiverse journey. And so, you know, I feel like they do represent kind of opposite approaches in certain ways. I think that last half of No Way Home once they, once they, he's, uh, old doc ock is just like

almost a perfect movie for me it's the only thing is dethroned winter soldier like I think it's my favorite marvel film fascinating winter soldier was mine for five years and yeah we lost still on game for me we're dead we're dead I didn't think winter soldier would ever be dethroned but here we are mills woge

I love the ending and last shot of the movie and I was so excited and then that first post credit scene completely ruined it obviously the incursion and secret war stuff is really interesting do you guys think Kang is a villain I do think Kang is the villain

I wanted to spend this question a tad bit different boom is it Dr. Strange who caused the incursion though it doesn't seem like it seems like Loki did like Loki and Loki like Loki and Lady Loki

but it's like just because Strange went to another universe they're saying he caused an incursion yeah I think it's because he dream walked into a corpse well no that's what caused the issue the incursion was already happening on so the evil is it because he dream because Sinister Strange, the incursion happened

there, but Dreamwalking was involved. Right, but that was in that, too. I'm saying 616 incursion is low key. Okay. I'm saying evil strange. Why didn't Kleea go after Sinister Strange? Well, because that, so this is asking

about, um, and is the incursion definitely in 616? I don't think incursions happen in 616 is what I'm trying to say. Copy. Like, I don't think we've had an incursion. I think what's happening in 616 is a multiversal issue. But incursion events and time events are different things I think in the 616 universe we've had a

TVA issue where time and time disparities have occurred but we don't have any planet collisions in the 616 universe because it would look like evil strange's universe we did yeah so why didn't she go to sinister strange because we don't know what Cleo wants but she was like you cause an incursion I hate you

I think that's supposed to tease us that there is another strange moment that happened but it didn't set it up well I think it was supposed to be like you've done some shit and even know about why was he like coup third i'm ready to go yeah i'm not the same character yeah i don't know that i can't remember five minutes ago when i was in massive pain and it was an interesting choice i did not shoot this scene with charlie's there

remember the horror movie ending charlie staren doesn't know what she's talking about if he acted like he didn't have the third eye and they added it in post he didn't even know wait that undermines the whole thing oh goodness gracious uh hey vinyl glaze did wanda teleport away or save herself as she brought the scarlet witch tomb down there was a brief red flash as it collapsed i'd hate for them to kill her right as she became the scarlet witch i think you were supposed to hint at that that brief red flash but then i was also wondering if that was the additional part where she destroyed all the dark holds i think i think she's alive i think it was saving her i think she's alive yeah i think it's just a we're not going to see her for a second thing. Sebastian Omdahl. What do you guys think about Young Avengers Future now? Do you think Wiccan and Speed is still going to be

members of the team? Talked about that a minute ago. Yeah, I think they will be. I feel like they have to try at least in some way. And like figure out how is the question because like what will that look like with 616 if they got rid of that screaming? Yeah, it's a little bit of a mess right now. It's a mess. Logan blaze.

Logan bless. Thank you, Logan for the moment. Thank you for the moment of silence. Christopher Wolfe. Thank you, Chris. Enjoy the film. Would you have liked to see White Vision and Multiverse of Madness?

I missed his presence here. Thanks, fellas. What if the reveal was... The whole thing with like, Vision had his concerns about the multiverse and then they go to the other Wanda and then the post-credit scene.

White Vision walks through the door. As to the husband of that... Put like the hat on and everything, but that's White Vision. Yes. Honey, I'm home from the multiverse where no dangerous things took place. All as well.

I love the multiverse. I do feel like. you know, we were definitely lacking in vision but I do... That sentence works on so many layers. I understand that reference. But I also, guys, but I also feel like it will be one of those

things where it might work long term another retroactive patching of the tire. I do feel like they might explain where he's been and I do feel like we're getting more vision, just this one lacked vision. I'm surprised we got like no vision at all and wanted it even seemed concerned about getting a vision. She's like, I only want my kids.

It's so weird how we're here. I shot him through the head and felt nothing. Oh, she does mention him there. Jordan Garza, how did y'all feel about the Krasinski, CGI? I'm assuming you're talking about the stretch effects. I think they're waiting to see how we all feel about Miss Marvel first. Yeah. This are fantastic stretch effects.

That is so easy to do poorly. Yeah, it's going to look real bad, real fast. Stretch effects are so hard to get down, right? I think it's one of the hardest superpowers to capture that looks good. Well, because like... Space Jambra. Well, like, we have so many textures and stuff and, like, the suit's gonna have to look right

and, like, it's just so easy to get wrong because everything looks like gumby. It just looks goofy. Yeah, so quickly. Because it's like, when they're a human, they're bones. Right. And then some of their... We have structured.

Yeah. We are structured creatures. It can look really silly. Also, it's the closest thing to looking... Actually, I just realized this. It's the closest thing to looking like bad CGI. Yeah, exactly. When something's weightless and when something looks inhuman,

it looks like stretchy. Definitely. always it looks really it's really hard to get stretch effects so doing it on purpose is weird yeah like everything looks bad people often describe bad human animations I think if you if you lean into the creepy

part of it then they tried that fan four stick didn't work out for us great bamjino I hope John Krasinski playing Mr. Fantastic hopefully solidifies the role to be in 6-1-6 MCU what do you guys think he is the number one topic of

conversation in here I think it's still up in the air, unfortunately. We will have to just wait and see, but we are hopeful that this is the case. I like your name. I assume it's a game being a reference, whether childish or crime family. J.P.O.V. Overall, love this as a Sam Ramey film. More than an MCU film. Only real gripe is

how quickly Professor X died. Yeah. I wish it was more of a mental battle between the two before she eventually wins. She does sort of just like sneak up on him and stab his back. Yeah. I thought it would be a little bit more like a mind fuck game. Even five more minutes of other places in her mind. Like, you just, that's one of the things about this movie feeling so rushed is...

You want to believe he has a shot. Yeah. And, like, Professor X, kind of a thinker. That's sure. That's a really good way to put the problem with that fight. Yeah. Noah Payton. But his neck only got snapped in the mind of her, so did his actual neck get snapped?

His eyes were pretty glazed over. We don't know that. I don't know. You never know. He just was playing dead. He was like, well, it didn't work in the minds. I'm a possum. Yeah.

Hey, he died in the fucking X-Men 3, and then they brought him back with no. real electronics. They can do it again. He's just in the hospital. He responded at the hospital. Noah Payton, it's so darker. Like, after I saw it and I was like, how many people died because this movie, dark

and different... Dark and different movies. And, to be honest, I kind of hated Wanda after she kills Charles Xavier and the rest of the Illuminati. That's a good feeling to have. I was more like, she's so badass. Because I'm not that invested in these

portrayals of the Illuminonaut. These characters I'm not as sad as I should be. I should feel a lot more about Professor X getting murked so quickly. But that's only because of my association with another Professor X. 20 years of history

have brought me to this moment, but I just met all these other characters. But I understand. You're supposed to feel that conflict, I think. Yeah, I understand. I understand. Don't worry, Noah. I don't slice your feelings here. I am doom. How about when she broke

the fourth wall? Great touch. yeah it's such an ear it's so cheeky and eerie and uh like it just solidifies more that she's in control yeah and you're like you see her look at you like the phone yeah it's scary it is a scary moment that's usually like a horror movie ending shot and to do it in the middle of a sequence is great yeah i really enjoyed that and then she's like it's over now uh what i love that she gets the first wall break pre-mc u deadpool true you know she's aware of multiverses including our own yeah it's great thing so is pizza pop up Also, I just want to give credit to one sequence I really loved.

I loved the dream walking sequence where there's that awesome, like, 90s enion music, and she's just, like, vibing. Dude, Robert Rodriguez, man, my favorites. Like that sequence is, someone asked her earlier your favorite sequence. That's one of them. It's a Rob Rodriguez visual scene. Real solid. That's one of the most cinematic MCU mode.

That's like, that's a true montage of, like, symmetry and imagery and thematic, you know. Loved it. Yeah. That whole sequence was my dream. Yeah. Thematic esoterica. Morthy agree with Koi. It's a B for me.

Mordo and Illuminati is underrated and underused, sorry, in this movie. I don't think it delivered the madness, much of horror, not so story. I thought it got pretty mad at times. I thought it got pretty mad. I mean, the madness was there, but like, it didn't feel. It didn't feel as much of like a chaotic cluster fuck. Maybe mad capness is better. Yeah, it's the multiverse of mad capness.

Yeah, instead of like insanity madness, it's more just like, we're moving really fast as that one montage was madness. Starts off with Defender, the madness there. They fight Gargantos, they recommartage, I have a crazy fight, the Illuminati. I think it's pretty, I guess it didn't feel, I don't know, I guess it's trying to understand it,

but I don't really, I don't fully, I think it delivers on the matter. I personally feel like it does. Andrew Kelly, I really love this film, Although I would love to have seen the Watcher release Supreme Strange to fight Wanda in the final battle. I really thought you'd get Watcher in Supreme Change. It was so weird that it under, it didn't use any of that.

I wonder if Figey wants to tie them in more and they're not allowing it. Maybe Secret Wars. Maybe they're holding that stuff. This is we got Charlie Cox. Yeah, I agree, man. You set me home me. I would have liked to see a mid-credit scene

of Variety to the Illuminati, wake up from a dream of Wanda killing them. Oh, that would have been a great. post credits you imagine that dreams and they all wake up in the same room yeah sleep together in the same but I love that dream in a bunk bed that is so cool because we made that canon that is a great idea Yusuf that's a great that would be a great way to do like you see the jonkers in yeah wake up he's still alive yeah oh I love that dude Cartique Sharma what are your thoughts on a film where the villain is

driven by her material instincts being maternal sorry instincts being released on Mother's Day weekend. I think it would have been more accurate if it was material instinct. Material girl. As you know. In a material world. Me judging. Wanda's just shopping across the multiverse.

Man, Beverly Hills cannot handle the Scarlet Witch. Viz has been pursuing me across every universe. Call her the Scarlet card back. I can't call the bank in other universes. Call her the Scarlet Witch. She loves Target. The Target Witch. Just all red clothes and khakis.

I mean, the movie trailer. don't really lean into that quality honestly the trailers don't lean in well they don't show that she's the villain but I really enjoy the maternal aspect it's weird the trailers revealed all the wrong things they really really could because the trailers didn't reveal

so much like so much of this movie is not revealed but the things they did decide to lean in on totally set the wrong expectations well yeah they they advertised a different movie like they advertised a multiversal cameo laden hopping journey instead of an awesome scarlet witch villain's story

yeah she's the turn Right. It feels like they gave no way Holmes marketing do to try. Yeah. Louis Fleet. Thank you, Louie. The movie was a Sam Ramey special. What Marvel character, if Marvel allows it, should he tackle next? Visuals are fantastic.

Also, that Avatar trailer. Fun fact, we did not see the Avatar trailer. We skipped the Avatar trailer. We deprived ourselves. We literally had Olivia, Texas, when the trailer was done, and then we ran up there. going to react to it? They were, yeah, to react so we could react to it.

Because when Dr. Strange played a Spider-Man No Way Home, we had to cover our eyes like, we could hear it, but we'd cover our eyes. And then people were like, no, they saw it. And I'm like, then fuck this. I'm going to really go the extra mile.

Yeah, I'm going to sit outside. Stand outside. And then I'm going to, there's going to be, there were a couple people who recognized us who sat behind us, and they know they saw us run up there and say that they recorded an Instagram short, or YouTube shorts just to demonstrate.

Beyond reasonable doubt. did not see that in the theaters. So much proof of this. They didn't even get to see Robert Patton since. They were outside hanging out. There was a top gun clip that they played a scene before the movie and we missed it because we were dodging the outer trailer. All because of those

few comments. Haunted on. You think we don't listen. After three watches, I left in a weird place with DS2. I really like it, have a blast watching it, but I also might be in the bottom three of MCF. Oh, bottom three? I put a lot more movies in the bottom three than this. I mean,

technically, you know, I put three there. What a weird. Five or six movies. That's crazy. Eight or nine films are a lot. There's a more... Way more films I might choose. Before, you know, a semantic bastard.

Yeah, well, I'm sorry you feel that way. That's interesting. Well, if you really like it and you have a blast watching it, but if it's the bottom three, I'm like... It's a very conflicting... You must like most... You must like most of the movies. That is the thing is, like, most Marvel movies are exceptional.

So I get your conflict It's just an interesting feeling Like I'm happy I'm no longer Well like the lowest cinema Second lowest for this is B plus And I'm like That's no C There's a much bigger leap

Honestly between B plus and a C And what a giant run of 34 movies If your lowest is a B Yeah Yeah One Darcy One Darcy Thanks for the sticker my friend

Dick Patrick Fowley I find Wanda's fall to the dark hold In a way to explain How even a person healing can still lose. It shows that overcoming grief is hard, and even if you do get through it,

it doesn't mean you're fixed. That's, I think, a big part of the message of the movie with both Strange and Wanda is like, she doesn't get our children, and equally, equally painful, Strange can't be with his woman. And happiness is not a destination. Yeah, I love all of that.

I wish I felt it more from the movie. It's impossible to be happy. Don't even try. To achieve happiness, so constantly search for it. Yeah, that's what life is. just searching for happiness never feeling searching and when you're on your deathbed

you go I should have made more money yep capital why didn't I work more hours that's what I think about he's a material girl in a material world Zach pole Bro professor ex of vision and both died three times

They had it coming man A bunch of fucking British bitchs If you don't have hair Twats those bald-headed dyers Just always bite Bald-headed dyers is my band They both have died

I really enjoyed that you started this with bro too. Bro, these two guys. Bro, man. Augusto Luyo. Bro, hello. Hello from South Africa. Brue really enjoyed the movie.

Do you guys think that Earth 838, Professor X, recognized the Scarlet Witch as the daughter of Maganito? I wanted at least a moment. It did not. Did not. She did it, but I would have loved it because that would have given us

fucking acknowledge mutants, man. Even with the giant like X-Men accurate. statue behind her in that sequence like they did it but they didn't no I don't know why they didn't they could have they should have not demanding much more than 20 minutes more we're everything we've described you get a three hour slow ass batman movie we could have got in a two and a half hour yeah fast-paced adventure yeah we'll be here for doctor strange you don't have to convince us yeah we'll show up it made the 10th most ever in his opening weekend

Kim had a half hour would have changed that no Spider-Man Far From Home Mysterio Well, I mean, they can show it less times a day maybe But Spider-Man Far From Home Mysterio introduces himself and names Peter's world is 616 Along with that, the first thing Chavez And Strange Encounter in 838 is a memory store Similar in functionality as Barf

Similar functionally as Barf oversight, coincidence, connection I'm glad you brought this up Because I think that Mysterio and all the things he said In Far From Home were in fact true and I've maintained since that that is the multiversal beginning. I still think that Jonah is the first multiversal character we met

because he's a being that looks the same in multiple universes, but I think far from home was our first taste of multiverse. They say multiverse a lot in Dr. Strange 1, but I think the Mysterio is someone that knows the scope of the multiverse

and I do think that's going to come into play later if and when Jakey Jakes comes back. Maybe he just scientifically figured out that dreams were somehow connected the dots that dreams were, Because he invented the barf technology, which involves memories in mind. That he figured out that dreams connect you to multiverse versions of yourself. That's a fun idea.

And then he was like, we're Earth 616 because another Mysterio knows what Earth were from. I don't know what the fuck. You had me in the first half. Not going to lie. Yeah, I like that. I like the dream element. Callum Prickard. What about the Gargantos fight?

Amazing Vefax. And the death was one of the biggest reactions of the whole film. I think it was really well. Oh, yeah, I love the gouging of the eye and then the actual additional, like, the stem. Yeah, actual, yeah. And then the ocular nerve. Yeah, ocular nerve. Well, and that is some beautiful CGI, especially because that is like a pretty broad daylight scene.

There's a lot of expression in his eyeball, too. I thought they managed to capture. It felt like a real animation. And it felt like a doctor-strain comic. Like, you flip through and you see that shit. Like that's, yeah. Exactly. Roboto Studios again.

My issue was that it feels, I think you Roboto, you've contributed a lot during this stream. That deserves to be recognized. My issue is that it feels not urgent. The goal is there. The stakes are there. But where's the urgency to keep Chavez safe? How is it that Dead Man's chest did goal stakes urgency better 16 years ago? You know, it is one of the first movies I compared it to pirates of the Caribbean dead men's chest.

I was just like, I'm the whole journey. I'm like, this is a lot of the same problems I had. And I love Dead Man's chest. I don't know the correlation, but I enjoy that parallel. Yeah, I would, is there more that we're missing? No, yeah, there's more. Oh, then you guys stop the meandering guy. Done.

No, no, no. I'm not reloading more. I'm just like... Is there that any more? The window closed. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. No, no, it's actually...

We are nearing the top. No, no. It was like, what the fuck? The window closed. We cannot end this, unless we honor everyone. The window closed. It's okay. No, you guys come before my mom.

She knows this. She's watching, too. If there's anything my mom prioritizes in her life's work, so she knows. Like, no, you do this first. Yes. Sorry, I'm late. Um, oh, golly. All right, rebutus.

I agree with the lack of urgency and I agree with the lack of stakes because that's the emotion part. I did enjoy the spectacle. I didn't enjoy the story. I did enjoy those things. Didn't feel the stakes. Well, that's why I also think the Illuminati not making that about Scarlet Witch and about Strange undercuts the momentum a lot.

Yeah. Because if they were like, do you mean the Scarlet, like if they were treating it like a serious threat about the Scarlet Witch and then that's why Professor X rolls in and he explains something about, like, because he has some history with a one. Wanda or whatever. Like, that's why I, it's not, that's not just me wanting a wish. That's just be thinking that would have kept the urgency popping. And you literally could have had them kept in the cage and like that scene could happen.

Because that's like a different story now you're introducing about strangers in this very moment with the Illuminati when I'm like, now it's pulling away from the main story, which is we got to get the fuck away from Wanda. Right. We got to keep her safe. Agreed. So, yeah. Also, Dead Man's chest. I love Dead Man's chest. It's great.

I love that. Kevin Feige used to have full creative control in marketing, but since the change in management, that was taken away, and there's a suit who has finals say in a lot of that now. Croc of shit, man. Kevin Feige would know how to do it best. Yeah, I would have loved to have seen his trailers for this. I'm glad he's been editing. He has a hat that says editing. It's just got an avid logo on it or something. It's the editor above all hat, but it's a Wattu.

Oh, yes. Kevin make it happen. Yeah, it seems like sums up with the marketing. Maver, I think the film and horror was outstanding, but I think they tried to rely on cameos to carry the movie. I truly enjoyed it, but it failed to set up more. I don't think the movie tried to rely on cameos. I think the advertising did.

I think the movie made a movie that had cameos that felt the right amount of like, this is a moment. If you think about the movie by itself, like, without expectations, they even did cool, like, and then this reveal, this reveal, they did a little behind the shot with the shield. then they had Xavier come out last. The cameos worked, but the fan expectations

because of the marketing, that messed it up, in my opinion. I agree. Mustafa Job, from Brana to Wittiti, Favaro. Favaro.

Yeah, Favro. To Shane, who's your favorite directorial transition in the superhero saga? I'm tempted to say Favro, however, like,

Favro's style is not really defined for me. I can't tell you what John Favro's style is. Stars universe. I can't. I just, can't tell like...

Warm, world-building, science-based. It's like Lion King Jungle Book. He's got the most versatility, but yet there's nothing... There's nothing really distinct about his style. Where Shane Black's a genius of style. For me, it's Waititi, because I think Thor, what he's done in Thor Ragnarok, that feels like a Tycho Y-T-D film, and he reinvented the character in a way that got people excited for, like, they're bringing him back for Thor Love and Thunder.

I don't, are you, you're not the biggest... I'm not a big Ragnarok guy. but this one looks better to me i i love ragner rock i think it's i don't think it's as like hilarious as everyone finds it to be i do find it i think like the it he managed because it's the tycho ytd it was known for like the comedy or and sometimes dromedy aspects but something about the colorful flair that he brought to ragnar rock still felt like tycho y tini to me it really felt like a tycho ytd film that has a a love for the comic style but really made it his own and and it managed and i think that there's a reason why that one

resonated so much stronger than the other two. I'm into that. Even though Koy doesn't like it and hates all good things. I hate happiness. Mine's John Watts untethered from John Watts tethered. I think no way home. I feel like it took a while to get there, though. Good answer.

Mine is Schumacher to Christopher Nolan. Hey, Kim Brell's back. The best way to pay off the cameos in my opinion would be a scene of 616 Reed Richards waking up from a nightmare or any universe for a deal. Damn, this seems like a common thought then. Another great mind that we failed to have.

What if the whole movie was just Reed's nightmare? Is it not? But by the rules, that still means it's true. And then you go an extra later, and it's Wanda creating the nightmare. What's she doing? And it's all in the head of that, like, pretty haired boy. But it was Agatha.

It was Agatha all along. And then we're back in the WandaVision house. In the 60s. nightmares controlling it. And then Mephisto wakes up and he's like, whoa, I just want to get some sleep. I am so exhausted of all these multiverses, I'm going mad.

What is this post-credits? When is it going to end? And then Bruce Campbell comes in and he goes, it's over. It's over. They just are rolling the actual credits over the boat. And then they start interacting with the credits and using those as weapons. And then

Colson wakes up and describes that he's not dead, agents of shield. This is going to be a good move. And then Pat and Oswald describes Zelda us and works in rec. True C, Cloak's patch was the same color of the Illuminati Strangest, Cloat. That's a great, great detail. The one Reed

was holding when they killed him. Oh, wow, fascinating. Looks like it was used for the patch. Good call, great call. How did you catch that? Damn. It took me to the second viewing to realize, oh, there's a big blue patch. And like, so, yeah, the big blue cloak he was holding. It was almost ceremonial where we were just holding the cloak. That is genius.

I'm wondering if that'll tie into 616 multiversal cloak personality Earth 666 Brandon Passmore Thank you buddy Do you feel this could have done a better job as a series I love the theater experience

I would opt for like a Clone Wars thing Where you do get like Even I think an animated version That Sam Ramey directs would be cool Like just a few of them Like eight episodes or something Just to like you see Just a few just a full series

Just a full series of eight episodes You know what I mean? He's got time Clone Wars like eight seasons No, but like, you see the whole thing with that strange they were describing at the Illuminati. You see Wanda go on the mountain and kind of go through her journey.

Yeah, you see America's moms just go at it. You see white vision watching all of it. You see America conceived. If they don't know, I'm watching, does that mean I'm watching? If I've changed in this moment, am I still vision watching two ladies making their shop? This vision's the fucking perker.

Such a sketchy dude. Oh man. Really work. We should stop. I love you guys so much. The only real, see what I did there. Ha ha. That's what we've done. Reason we still open up on YouTube.

You just dick our thing. It's to watch you guys. Oh, thanks. There's no one else on the platform that's enjoyable. Trust me. You're the only ones. I hate them all. Ryan Warren. Warren.

Is Mephisto controlling Wanda for a greater Goal, game. Mephisto is always there. They should do that. They should have it be Mephisto's controlling King, the Conqueror, the Sacred Timeline. And Thanos and everything. You make sure that Peter never meets M.J.

The fucking devil, man. Played by Colin Hanks. Ooh. I don't want it. I want Colin Firth from the gentleman as Mephisto. Reflectus Studios. Imagine if one wanted to bond with America over loss or strange even. Where was the room to breathe?

It was missing. It was missing. That's where it was. It was on the cutting room floor. as they say. Yeah, once the dark hole got destroyed and it's like, we're going to WonderGore.

Yep. What's going on? No one will ever talk again. We're just going to explain everything in WonderGore. David Limin, very... That's true. I wish we... That is a good call

about Wanda bought, like an actual conversation. Yeah, one... Tote's. Toot bags. David Lamin very enjoyed the movie, but everything everywhere

all at once is a better use of the multiverse than Doctor of Strange. Spoil it. Yeah, say no more, say no more. There are several. universe is from that movie. I will be reacting to me. Don't worry. I will be reacting to it. I'm excited at your thoughts. I'm going to watch it on my

phone. Jim X. Mafia. That's the way. That's the way. Spaghetti Reed Richards. I also thought it was all that interesting. Visually not excited. Blackluster. No good fights. This is a scoop. Spaghetti Reed Richards and Living Tribunal in the Multiverse of Madness. Everyone got so jazz about the Living Tribunal. It was such a moment. That was so cool. Yeah, but it means nothing if you don't. No anything. It's just big head.

It's just a big visual. It's so as like Paint World. Someone out there is like Legends of the Hidden Temple. The Redmondo is like, what was that? Ah.

She knows, people just fly there. Crazy. Just a giant hand, like cut away and just a giant hand. And that was another thing they put in the trailers that made us think it was,

I'm, I digress. As we were. I just like this as a title, Spaghetti Reed Richards in the Living Tribunal in the Multiverse. Rousse,

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did not know it played in the first, I think we brought up earlier, I didn't know it played the first time, and I saw it in the credits. And I was like, where was it in the movie? Because people were cheering. You were watching it. Might be my favorite needle drop in Marvel. Like, that includes Guardians of the Galaxy. Hearing that in a theater, I did not realize how much it would affect me. It might be my favorite needle drop. But does that mean it's the animated version? I thought so. I thought it was the animated version. But they're bringing the, but that sucks if that's just how he dies. If that's just how he die, I think it's an arcade. So therefore it's a variant Not all right Not all right Can you just save my soul There it is we're back X-Men 97 I think I'll the

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Which Strange was your favorite In the film The one I expected to like the least. I really, really loved Zombie Strange. I had so much fun seeing him like doing like the weird tarotropes and the talking out of the like

I loved all of that and that is not usually my thing and the cloak of bodies was so metal. I loved the thing I thought I'd hate and I and I disliked things I thought I'd love. It was spectacular. The whole third act strange. Yeah. Oh, also oh, the sequence where he's

pulling in the candles and he hovers and he gets like it literally was like comic book art. I love that sequence. The third act of this movie slaps for me so hard. You know, I think what's really effective about is that even in the trailers, I brought this point up in another video, but even in the trailers, the fact that they show you reanimated Strange, the movie's so effective in that moment and that point in what it's doing that what he's, when Christine's like, you know, like, but don't you need a strange alive there to Dreamwalk through? And then he says who said anything about being alive. It's so cool. I'm like, oh, shit, that's right!

And it's still like it's an old moment. You forget about it. Yeah, they were so in. Yeah, yeah, you forget. And the whole candle thing to make it feel so spooky. I don't know, man. I was so, I was so a vibe and then. So a cult, so seance, you know.

Like the good comics of Dr. Strange. And that's a great, yeah, it's like it builds you up not only for just, oh, cool, you know, horror movie, sci-fi thing, but it's also a rain. Like, that's hardcore the oath visuals. I definitely have a reservations to go to. All right. We got to make sure we stand. Jones. I think the MCU is building to X-Men vs. Avengers.

Yeah, great, cool, whatever. Long game. The MCU is building to X-Men versus Avengers. Would they do that right up front? Not Phase 4 of X-Men. Like, it'd be deep. I think they got to treat the mutants like they're a threat. They also got to treat the mutants like their own thing enough to let them

grow enough to care about. Yeah. I should let all the Avengers be really racist towards the movie. Yes. You're like, whoa, Cap. I know you were born in the 40s. Spider-Man's like, you guys. You guys are grosses. I'm not helping any of you. I'm sitting out of here.

Weirdos. Vision's walking through a wallback kiddie tribe. Like, what's wrong with you? Oh, what's in your DNA? Yeah, geez. X genes. Oh, fucking aliens. I want to go hang out with the fucking strings.

The scrolls bathed differently. Mike Kay just got back from my third viewing in the film in 3-3-3-D, because I'm a dork, and I think this might be my favorite, Dr. Strange story in the MCU continued in another super chat we'll find it part two what I felt was missing

about the first film was Steven's compassion when I heard Donna's name dropped it became crystal clear how much Sam Ramey understands what makes this character tick

that's what you were speaking to how much that moment meant to you in the character and I really do think that Dr. Strange's arc is growing here and I do think the characterizations are improving here I just wanted the emotional weight to feel like as good as those moments. Like, that is a moment that I loved of Dr. Strange, but it didn't, like, leave with me, personally.

Jay's fan domination. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Oh, wow. You're the only one to bring up Donna. There's the only one to bring him Donna. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this, it's just resonance. It's good. Thanks for mentioning that. Good detail. Actually, I really do appreciate you mention that. Thanks, buddy. Jay's fan domination nation. I love your channel, guys. I've been watching for a long time now. I just wanted to show support. Thank you so much. That means the world.

Chance. Whoa. Thank you. Wow. What the fuck, not even. Comment? That is a loud moment of silence. Thank you so much.

That is a humbling moment of silence. Chants. Jesus. That's insane. That's just for kindness. Jesus, thank you. Four of Chances on the Super Chat. It was like,

oh, fuck, I forgot a rights on me. I meant to put 99 cents. He's got like, I remember that. And he's asked like a hundred things. Guys, please, please, please. I missed it. Our strange recognized the Fantastic Four.

Didn't you chart in the 60s? Confirmed they have been missing in our main universe this whole time? Trapped in the negative zone, my bay? Wait. That is true, yeah. He said, didn't you chart in the 60s? Yeah, people are usually yelling and screaming when he says it. I mean, he's the thing I've been wanting happening?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure he's just saying that they look like and sound like a band, but also extrapolate. I'm going to extrapolate. No, I think it's a hint. Maybe probably. I would love that. I would love their, if they're...

Does he say Reed Richards from the Fantastic Four? Does he say that? Nobody's credited as it. But I know, but does, uh, does he say Fantastic Four? I didn't even hear that. I don't think so. Okay. I don't think it's...

I don't think it's a fantastic bullshit. All right. I think, no, I thought it was. I thought it was a hint towards that. All right. explain where they haven't been. Well, cool. Iden Higgins, to clarify

on my previous comment, the Illuminati were very overconfident and underestimated Wanda, and I think that payoff was very well done and satisfying. Oh, good, I'm glad. Hell yeah. I definitely feel echoes of that, for sure.

Gripes aside. Alan Ling. Wait, wait, wait, wait, rip. They underestimated her. I'm not, therefore. So I'm losing brain sales. Alan Ling, hey guys, I just jumped into the stream.

Thanks for joining us late. I don't know two hours ago. I don't know what you guys covered, but Greg, what was the 75% of the movie that worked out for you and the 25% that didn't work? What do you guys think now?

I think it's much better now and I found that there are things in that 25% that don't bother me as much. Like, I don't think the pacing as, as off as it, like, there are some pacing issues that I think it's had off, but nowhere near the amount I thought it was before where it felt like such a,

like it was always in a hurry the second time around it didn't feel nowhere near as fast-paced to me I'm not having to really process everything they're saying so I could actually sit back and enjoy it like I know people who heard a lot of it's in it so when they watched it they actually were like

no it was actually really didn't feel as fast and I know a lot of people who felt that way the second time around the 75% of the movie that really worked for me is like all the visual stuff the action sequences Wanda specifically the 25% that didn't work I mean I think

when they get to the 838 planet and just some of the shit there, like I just found myself Cravymore. I think Morda was boring. I think I do think the Illuminati is underused and underutilized like they kind of feel like it's so, there's stuff about it that

I fucking love, but then there's stuff about I'm not a big fan There's some really rough editing in the 838 planet. Like the same with Mordor when they're fighting, they cut to him doing it on a close up and then he's suddenly out and running and then they never see Xavier leave. He's just gone. There's some weird pace, like fucking Wanda, other Wanda, when

Scarlet Witch leaves her, she's just like, my boys. Yeah. And they just fucking leaves this disaster. It's Xavier and Carl Mordo, and then they just cut to Mordo, and Xavier's just left. How did Mordo get picked? Yeah. Mordo It's just down there. And so many weird things. Yeah, there's some weird editing

choices for sure. Like, even when Strange is like walking on the, in the streets of 838, and then for like a second's like America? And then just try to make it all like panicky with like the crazy framework. I'm like what? What's going on? It's not She's crossing the street. You guys are just crossing.

You guys are traveling in a multibular. She's crossing the... Not really anything to do with visuals or... Visual states have not for me. Like, things you want more accent. Cinematography, I think this is one of the best-looking Marvel movies I've ever seen. So, yeah, it's really just... I think we've covered a lot of it throughout.

Joe Willis Ar. Joe Willis R. One-liners were a bit cringe. Dialogue was exposition-heavy. The big moments of the film never had a moment to breathe. With a wink nudge after each one, I enjoyed it, but cameos were disappointing. Yeah, I mean, it's like the use of came.

Just use of cameos is not great. And there are one-liners that really bothered me. What one-liners? Yeah, I didn't really. I mean, the opening, like, there was some Spider-Man one-liners and stuff, but, like, it didn't bother me. There were some one-liners that felt a little rote, just like the whole thing with Dr. Strange and Wong, like, you know,

so no pressure, you know, like, oh, that went great. Like, I thought that was charming in the moment, but I was also like, I feel like we could have a more unique joke than just this classic joke. because it apparently just exists everywhere. Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yeah, and those things just speak to, like, I feel like maybe another pass on some of this stuff might have helped.

You know, it's like I fully believe Michael Waldron and company are capable. Late Night Alum, which movie or show will America Chavez reappear? I could see her coming as soon as... Hawkeye. I could see her reappearing as soon as Miss Marvel. I kind of doubt it, but I could see her reappearing as soon as there with her power set. I would expect a Young Avengers Esk thing to be her next appearance.

They should just have her appear once in every movie. Just, I'm into portal. Hey! Just running through the background, yeah. Oh my, that would actually be funny. Really funny. I just want to, you know, like an LGBT drama. I mean, I think we're getting one.

About her figuring out her place in the world when she finally reconnects with her moms. You know, people love that in certain states. Cinematic goodness. I really loved how dark this movie was. how much they got out of their way to make Wanda gradually become an actual monster

was beautifully executed. The tunnel chase with her was truly demented. Yes, it was. Yeah, I love that scene. Yeah, eerie and nasty as heck. Thank you, cinema goodness. Zoe's movie corner so, still no mutants. Are we asking for too

much, or is this as close as we'll get to mutants into the MCU now? No, we're getting mutants. They're coming. They're just going to come as a full force. I don't think they're going to come as a came came in a half measure. I think we're getting full-on movies and TV shows. Kevin Feige said he's doing a creative retreat for the next 10 years.

That is X-Men-based. X-Men are coming. A creative what? There's a creative retreat that Kevin Feige is on right now. And he said he's planning the next 10 years of Marvel. Wow! X-Men. That's what's coming. Like, there's going to be 10... X-Men are going to make Avengers look small. A cinematic on, right?

A creative retreat. What does that look like? Gellon Rzoo. Wanda almost goes... Fucking rage-filled. Kevin. Kevin Feige. It's the least relaxing retreat. This is my... We need 10 years of context.

You've all did to do better, especially you trailer people. It's just taking off hats, but... This is my angry hat. Just says 10 year plan. Kevin Feige in the multiverse of hats. Calmer Zoo, Wanda almost goes brutal at times in Wanda vision. It's only vision... Fikey having a hat for every...

This is my sex hat. Every meeting he rolls up and he just has a briefcase. He unclips, opens it up, puts on the first hat, and we're off to the race. Kevin, I need to talk to you. What are we talking about? I didn't get a hat first. I didn't know what hat to wear. This is my item one hat.

You'll have to wait for your addendum until I put on the addendum hat. Wanda almost goes brutal at times in Wanda Vision. It's only vision being there and confronting her and pulling her back, being her better angel that kept her down the more compassionate path. That's a solid point. Maybe that's why I wasn't in the movie to keep her better angels. That's a really solid point. Well, and that's one thing about this movie that does, I guess you can't really credit the movie necessarily for it. But little things like that that at first you gripe about also have this shadow side where I'm like, but that's actually kind of interesting to entertain.

Like what is Wanda like with no vision, you know, at all? Also, I mean, to go back to our joke from a second ago, the moment of excitement we're going to get when Kevin does don an X-Men hat, because that's going to be a moment. Like, I do think we need to be patient with the cameos and see them for what they are versus what the X-Men are. And I'd rather let the X-Men come across naturally than force them in. yeah I think they'll just be like shut up they're coming see we can do them if we want just wait the next that's going to be the next presenter like shareholder day just shut up

it's we're doing it stop asking questions don't look for leaks Eddie Eddie Eddie do you think Reed's child will get revenge he will bite off wonders I don't think we'll ever see 838 in 838 my dad was a loser Grant Begara oh that's good yeah I don't think we're going to

838 again, but I think the allusion to that was the moment. Grant Fregar, why haven't Christine died in the MCU 616? If it's supposed to be an absolute point in all universes definitely could have ended her in multiverse and men. They should have died at the wedding. Garganto should have murked her right

there. Not in all universes, just in that one universe. Yeah, and I also, I don't think killing, I think fridging women is not the move. Like, I think killing off, like, love interests is a very, like, we've done that for decades. It's not, it's not the move. Bobby cuts a quaddle

616 thing is terrible but casuals will like it What I think he's trying to be edgy The naming of it being 616 Whenever someone uses like casuals or mid I'm always just assuming they're trying to be mid You just don't know what their smooth brain What their goals are

Rhett Proctor I was very disappointed by that Illuminati scene I am certainly hoping John Krasinski comes back as Reed Richards he was great same hope yeah same zies also shots out to alison rivers in the main chat saying i've always seen bill hater is read richards interesting choice lords of the abyss null so that prophecy hold the fort down for me for one second yeah okay lord of the abyss known so that prophecy guarantees wanda survival rule the cosmos and threaten the multiverse and her durability was insane not a glass cannon so that prophecy guarantees wanda's survival which prophecy the rule the cosmos and threaten the multiverse Yeah, I think that's what they're saying. And her Duralba was insane. Yeah.

Yeah. I think they're just saying like she's hearty and ready for all of it. Yeah. And I mean, that would track. She's a Nexus B. She's all-powerful. And she seems like the strongest Wanda. Yeah.

The strongda. That was a question we kept asking was, is her nexus status in this universe? Is that there's only one the Scarlet Witch and the rest are Wanda's with powers? Because there's a dark hold in every universe. No, because we saw another Scarlet Witch entity as the statue. we saw her dressed as Scarlet Witch So yeah

And now there are other witches But can there only be one at a time Is what I'm saying And like one across the multiverse Like like the previous Scarlet Witch Let's say that whoever that was Yeah Was every other iteration of them

Just them with base powers And then there's one Scarlet Witch That's like all the way roided up I assume there has to be a singular entity nexus Being like Kang Okay I assume at that level of power So all the other Wanda's are at like a level

lower level. Yeah, I think they're still at Scarlet Witch powers, but then the Scarlet Witch. Cool. Nice. Joey B. Last of the main super chats. Oh. Welcome. As soon as the film started, it definitely felt like it was picking up from Spider-Man Toby film. Someone echoed my sentiment. Yes. From the wedding to the building fight, when on May was, got taken. Much love to Sam Ramey. But this wasn't it for me. I'm sorry to hear that. That's, it on a really sad. Went on a journey. I was like, you, oh. Same page, different page. I was like, we're having such. a great shared experience. Oh, I guess not. Not for everybody. Not for everybody. Is that everybody? Yeah, I think we might. Oh my God, we're caught up. To the end. We see what those stream labs do. But guys, thank you all for joining. And hey, the prophecy held true. 82% of people are interested in seeing Koi's show. This is an updated poll with only two options. So the theory, The theory tracked Let's see

Greg's like I don't know about this channel I really want to do this Do this bullshit I don't know if this is actually an idea I want This stream back up Ed We got 2,096 right now

2,096 votes So over 1700? 2,000, 9,000, All right All right Here, I'll figure out the math for you exactly

82% of that many How many votes did you say? 2006 Oh my We do have some more of these I know we do All right Hey Abercon

After the battle with Scarlet Witch Mr. Fantastic Will return as Dr. String And now that Dr. Strange Has the third eye And tainted by evil He will return As Dr. Evil

For the N.C.U crossover with Austin Powers Everything's a crossover Yes it is Bring it. Everything is cool when you share a universe. He's got a new movie coming out where he's playing like 10 people. Nice.

Dude, that's all I care about him doing. I mean, yeah, the people want it. Pizza Boy 153, son of Pizza Pop, Bruce Campbell, as Mephisto. Also, do you think it's possible the Scarlet Witch is a nexus being, while Wanda is not? It's kind of what I was talking to is like Kang, obviously, there's multiple Kangs, but one is Kang the Conquer in a sense where like Kang replaces himself with worse and worse versions of himself but there are multiple Kangs I just feel like and this is not founded in any of the thing

we've been told I can't imagine there being multiple wanda's to that power set so I do feel like other Scarlet Witches exist but not to the level of the Scarlet Witch but also like I imagine different universes have different strengths and different power sets like some Thanos might be stronger than others so I don't know how they're going to actually quantify nexus beings in this universe because it is different in the comic books than I think they're setting it up here but I'm not sure. Yeah, because I got a lot of crap for saying that, like, there could be another Wanda who already did the,

the no more mutants already. That's what I thought they were going with. They're like, which is a nexus being. They don't even, like, seem to, that's what I'm saying is like, clarify what this shit means. Because the nexus being would theoretically be a singular entity,

a dot in space time. And it seems like this nexus being of Scarlet which is so connected to the dark cold. Right. Yeah. So I don't know what they're considering. And I just, I consider Kang our nexus being for now,

but I don't know what that's going to be. reflected on. Yeah, true. Destin Hellfire. So I'm not the only one that found it odd that Wanda threatened by Reed that Wanda threatened by Reed saying his children will still have someone to raise

them. Going off Wanda Vision, I feel like she wouldn't or wasn't going to strip children of their parents, especially how dear family is different. She's willing to kill her own self for her children. Like she's not focused on other people. She's so

selfish. She doesn't give it. She's, she's getting progressively more selfish. Yeah, and that's dark old, you know, infused. But, but yeah, like, at that point in the story, she like doesn't, she's not maternal towards other people's kids. It doesn't really start it off that way, it might be a little bit different. Yeah. Well, and in that moment, I mean, of course that's not going to

work, because he's like, hey, I have a family that's intact. I can relate to you. Yeah. Yeah. The whole point is no, dude, you can't. Expecto go. Do you think Spider-Man will get his black suit like in the OG Secret Wars instead of using

the symbiote? I think what they might do is be clever and have that ooze kind of chill out for a little bit and then when they're in the secret war that ooze comes to play and that way it ties into secret war in its own way but it's also using the continuity they've already established because the actual story is a little silly

and a little 80s where Spider-Man's like my clothes are tattered let me go in this thing and then he's like this is crazy and then it's like that thing happens to be an alien and it's like what a crazy thing that happened to me like I think what they're set up kind of works a bit more than Spider-Man being like, I don't notice these changes in my puberty self. I'm just excited to hear Tom Holland's Cookie Monster Venom Voice.

Yes, Eddie. Goosey Gates. Oh, crap. What's different from Loki Multiverse and Dr. Strange Multiverse that was not mentioned or Kang? I don't, I mean, I think they're trying to play it like they're not different. Like, they are the same multiverse. One's time, one's space seemingly.

Like, you know, I think what people get confused by is TVA versus incursion. That's what I think is. And that's why I'm saying, like, what we've had in the same. 6.1 sense is a TVA thing. What we've had in this movie is an incursion. I don't think our 616 universe had an incursion, which is why I thought the Clea thing was poorly written to the problem is it alludes to something to set up a cliffhanger,

but it also alludes to something that would confuse people with TVA. But if incursion happens, what's incursion? The planet. Planets colliding. Planet's colliding. Or multiverses, depending. Okay. But if the multiverses, wouldn't that still be considered a,

what's the word in TVA that they use again? A nexus level event? Yeah, wouldn't that still be a nexus event? It would. And that's what's confusing about the Clea thing is, like, how if these things happen simultaneously. All right, just keep that open for now, right? Copy. Like, later on.

Scenes with Dean. I thought of a fun theory. Thank you for the Super Chat. Since it was said that this Reed Richards has children, what if since he was killed, the descendant of this king was the one that became evil? It would make sense to have why this king would want to conquer the multiverse. Is there more? No? Okay.

I mean, not, not immediately more. Yes, because we haven't met. We don't know which Kang 838 is. We don't know what 6'1s. We don't know our Kangs yet. And I do think we're going to get into a lot more of the designations of multiversals with Kang. I do think that might be the globe hopping, multiverse hopping movie we want later. I do think that stuff's to come.

And Fantastic 4 just moved up. So I do think we're going to see some multiversal stuff in Fantastic 4. Quantumania. Heck, yeah. Blackagar Boltagon. and then a guy's to admit to get you in retrospect or whatever he says it wouldn't have made a lot of sense

for this film to have had the wild cameos people wanted or expected Tom Cruise etc the concept of the multiverse was just introduced I think the inevitable Secret Wars movie will be what

some wanted I think we're going to get a tease of that and Fantastic Four and then I think it's going to go full tilt later but I think we've just begun the multiverse oh absolutely I would I would hope so How can you...

I do question if after you go through Secret Wars how can the MCU ever be as exciting after that? I don't know what's bigger than Secret Wars. Yeah, I don't know how you can go bigger. Go smaller, but more impactful. Yeah, I don't know. Fuck bad.

Cameos! Cameos! A movie with... A movie with no... Amalgam Universe. That's what we're going after this. We got to start working with DC. They'll get desperate to someday. We start to cross over the other franchises.

After Secret Wars, we have to build Dark's, what was it, Dark Claw, Wolverine and Batman. Oh, bring. See, it's working. Bring it. Dark Claw's coming. Confirm. That would be awesome. Anupaturi, Alturi. I can't quite read that. The lack of inner conflict except towards the end for Wanda's character made it to one-dimensional, even in 3D.

Jakey. Love Ramey's direction, the camera angles, sweeping shots, and all of it. We'll give it a 3.25 out of five. That's a really high rating. Three and a quarter stars. That's almost exactly my rating actually. Like I gave it about... That sounds better than a B plus. That is almost exactly a B.

If you multiply that by 20... Like a B though. Five times 20 is a hundred. But it doesn't sound like a... You say a B... When you have options of A plus to A to A to minus to A... Wait, you don't agree that. That's a 65.

That's actually like a... Rates everything in percentages so that it can correlate to a letter grade. 65 is a D. Is it? Yeah. So that's it. That's like a D. Because the 70s is a C, 80s is a B.

So if that was three and a half times 20, that'd be seven, I mean, that'd be three and a half times two is, yeah, that'd be 70, which be a C. If that was another quarter up, it'd be a C, that's a D. So I gave it higher than that. But 3.25 stars is like a 3 out of 5, 2.5 out of 5 is like, well, good. So like. So it is kind of like a B. Yeah.

3.25. But why does a B sound so much lower? Because it's not an A. It's second T. And that's not bad. See, but that doesn't sound like second tier. 3.2.5 out of five sounds like that. Well, yeah, because in American grading, it's technically the fifth tier.

Right, right. Yeah, because an A plus is so impossible to achieve. Which is why a bell curve is how we should rate things. Because like, I think I consider, right? One movie fucks it up for everybody. I got lost here while you guys spending me elementary math. Let me show you.

Low P 808. Happy Mother's Day to Wanda and just wanted to... Thanks for such a big contribution. Thank you. want to show some love to the channel. Being a viewer has been one of the few things I've stayed committed to in life. This is Lana. Which

speaks to how great the channel is. Hugs and kisses Lana. Oh, thanks, Lana. Lana's a beautiful woman. Yeah, and committed to the channel. And but if she turns evil, even harder. Well, we learned that about Greg today. Let's get some

variance in here, Lana. Olivia. Thank you, Lana. You got to do some evil shit, Olivia. The Nottie knows the assignment. the Illuminati in the cliche horror characters that was told to run but run toward danger

then got killed off one by one. See, my issue with that is that Mordo knew what the Scarlet Witch was and he doesn't try to warn them at all. Right. Yeah, that's the biggest part because you can't tell me. They all seem unconcerned. They're all like, yeah, we got a Scarlet Witch. That's another reason for the Nexus level being, though, is like, maybe

their Scarlet Witch is like, you know. Because I don't, I guess that would again make sense. Because yeah, part of me was like, well, I get it, you know, like she's not your main priority strangers, but it seems like you would need to deal with her first. At least deal with it. Maybe she's like a 7 on the power scale. We got to shout out some people here. All righty guys.

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