The Reel Rejects - DOCTOR WHO “LUCKY DAY” 2x4 (15x4) Breakdown & Review

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Starting point is 00:00:38 for everything you've been doing. For listening to us on Apple or Spotify, we just watched episode four of Doctor Who. I enjoyed that one quite a bit. And I was going to have a negative until the last few minutes.

Starting point is 00:00:54 Then it completely absolved any of my negativity. But I'll find something negative to be about. I'm much like Conrad in that way. John, how are you feeling? Oh, man. I mean, I feel interesting right now. I mean, obviously this is not the funnest in context of all the episodes. This is very much holding a mirror up to a very real world attitude phenomenon kind of person.

Starting point is 00:01:22 And it's about, you know, a certain amount of rage, vitriol, ugliness as just part. of conversation and the dissemination of lies or half-truths and various things and so i don't feel like it's political i feel like russell t davies saw the channels that are talking shit on doctor who which often fall under that one political camp that definitely this is uh yeah would be in the crowd cheering on but i would also say the other political camp definitely uses all all media tends to use fear but there's this new type of individualism's media who find their own platforms and then they perpetuate

Starting point is 00:02:02 and feed off people's fear. People who build a brand off being some kind of dissenting outside voice only to be inducted into just a different big apparatus that probably, if they're gaining enough, clout and power probably has a whole lot of corporate and financial backing,

Starting point is 00:02:20 the likes of which are similar to the very machines they're railing against. And they do it in the name of searching for the truth and the name of exposing the truth and exposing the lies while perpetuating lies and conspiracies

Starting point is 00:02:35 and harm. Yeah, not being like, I don't know, I feel like, yeah, there's a valley that this type of discourse gets lost in where it's, yeah, I'm exposing the truth. A truth I have extrapolated but I'm treating as like some kind of, you know,

Starting point is 00:02:51 factually like concrete, objective thing that is just being hidden from us. And if only I could just pull back the veil, you'll all see, but it's also just based on hunches and assumptions and suspicion. I mean, but if unit is like our democratic government, they've made a ton of mistakes as well. And they they do have to, and there's an interesting line in question to draw, right? Like, what is the

Starting point is 00:03:16 line in the sand here? How much... They flirted with tyranny, certainly. Yeah, they've done some shit. Yeah, they've done some shit. And I mean, yeah, there's a fair, I think, conversation to be had in terms of like where how the use of unit as a stand in for you know like the legitimate you know bodies of power or bastions of you know quality information you know we trust unit obviously because we know that they do have at least yeah barring some of their missteps of the past in terms of judgment we know that they're like the real deal for you know what they're presented to be but doctors been at odds with them so many times absolutely

Starting point is 00:03:57 Absolutely. Absolutely. For very justifiable reasons and courses of action. And also raises a good point, too, when society is this big, like when governments started forming, you know, there wasn't television, there wasn't radio even. And then look at how big this country is now. And look how big other countries are. Look at the UK. And so it does get a point of like, well, how much do you reveal to the public? How much truth do you put out? out there before things spiral out of control and how much can you make sure reaches people and then when what happens when they find out there's something that was a misinformation or something was a little lie that they told or a big lie that they told them makes you question everything yeah it's it's an i like that i like to post honestly uh i thought i liked what to post quite a bit and uh i thought conrad was a an effective villain that weirdly fits well into this sci-fi show you know right i think he kind of does as a as like a completely normal like not normal but a but a human being a human guy who weaponized people's fear and rage to take on something

Starting point is 00:05:13 that should be safe and protect us and uh watching the cult that forms around that like this is something that i think can be um that something that can be weaved in throughout i like the how I like the flip is what they did. They start off with one of the, we've seen that before, the doctor who, of my encounter with the doctor or I met the doctor before and I were going to adopt this guy's perspective and they put it and he really sold me. Like I didn't have it. I did not, yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:43 Did you have any doubt that he was bad? I had no, I had doubt that he like, I mean, he had ego and he was trying to prove something and so he made stupid choices like the not taking the antidote like shit like that. But I didn't at all in question his intent. as being a villainous prick you know i didn't see any of that yeah yeah totally and i think they do a nice sort of switcheroo on you they they give you a nice red herring because i think there's just a lot of like nice lovely acting between the two performers between jona hower king and millie gibson because you know throughout that especially what she's giving it's like he is playing the part of like

Starting point is 00:06:21 a boy who's very much smitten and like in her performance i was like oh i can't really tell you know like if she's 100% into this or what and there's a lot below the surface and yeah it pulls you in to both the charm and the novelty of having ruby back and a ruby centered episode but also yeah like how is she feeling and oh no this guy wants to try and you know fill the void that the doctor has left and like yeah it just endears you to all the like the burgeoning relationship stuff and that's also a great means of you know charging us up when the reveal does come down the line because it's cruel anyway but But it's also, yeah, like, we've spent all that time with Ruby so we can feel the full fury of the, like, oh, you, like, you know. It really aids in the wanting to see some, you know, justice dealt or come up and... Well, I think it also kind of, sorry, I was totally interrupted you. No. Was there a more you were going to add? Not especially. I don't have, like, a, you know, I could have continued, but I didn't have, like, a major extra point there.

Starting point is 00:07:23 Might if I go then? Please. I win. Hey. Now I'm going to be exposing your lies. I trumped you. So the, first off, I don't think, okay, her name's not there. It's Ellie from who called, unless she has a different name in real life.

Starting point is 00:07:42 I don't see her name here. Who calls her L is her name. There were way too many on the screen, and my guess would be that they probably contacted a few. I'm just purely speculating, but there were enough, like, little screen overlays that it seemed like they probably some from fans and got a few from like notable who influencers or something yeah but it's not it's not who we thought it was though i don't see her name here but i'm saying there are too many to have named because there are only three influencers even put in but there's only three influencers who spoke that's fair if they have if you have a speaking line they're going to credit you if you have a speaking

Starting point is 00:08:18 line that's fair and she was speaking she's enough to be able to get credited if they even have voice of the flinks here so yeah yeah uh i i think i they definitely the flinks is a full on character no i get what you mean i mean like it seems as though it's not i could still imagine a possibility where it is you know as this gets to more and more people obviously so if it is her cool if it's not her then damn good look alike at a fun at least i mean i thought it was but i questioned it because it's like i've seen so much of ellie from who culture like if there's one doctor who channel you guys should be watching it is who culture yeah I check in every time we wrap one of these then I go listen oh yeah the the ups and downs reviews and everything yeah I think but Ellie there is she's the most popular one and but yeah I guess that it's this girl here is like is a redhead and pale skin but then there was something on the eyes weren't quite looking like Ellie from who called true to me yeah so I guess I got it wrong but I think just throwing the hat of the ring I think Ellie from who culture should definitely be someone considered to be someone considered to be.

Starting point is 00:09:23 to make a gammyo and doctor who by the other way totally i mean this would have been a golden opportunity yeah it's definitely not her um we know now we're slowing it down but like one of the many things yes there's are the three who spoke at the center got yeah um and like i've wanted to send over our doctor who shirt not even for them to like promote or something just i think it would be cool if i saw her wearing and be like oh my god look at her just says up the shattered out or anything yeah ellie from who culture if you guys don't watch who culture they're an incredible YouTube channel. Even for Doctor Who, when we were getting hit up about doing the interviews, the one that

Starting point is 00:10:00 you ended up doing, I even recommended Who Culture to the rep of being like, if there's a YouTuber you're looking for, I would definitely try to like reach out to Who Culture. And anyway, and also the, I also think the conversation around this movie around this episode is more gray than they, than you might think. Like it definitely adopts more of a certain camp's POV and it is in those other side bat. The part where I find it more gray is that they're actually, we like we acknowledge our units not pleasant track record. And on top of that too, the recovery process of being a companion with the doctor is also showing that not everything about the doctor is great as well. and I've consistently been fascinated with that

Starting point is 00:10:52 it's kind of like a joke that a lot of us make about what happens with the companions afterwards like we've seen the the group thing that sometimes companions join but it is kind of like a year breakup where there's going to be a lot of pain and a lot of great memories too

Starting point is 00:11:12 because you have I can imagine if I am a companion that I go on adventures that truly are some of the scariest moments of my fucking life. Like so unbelievably terrifying. And then when you're back to normal life, it's isolating. Anyone new you meet can really harm you in when people are not believing you. Yeah, this is probably a whole part of your life. You have to wall off from telling people.

Starting point is 00:11:40 Which is also like the most life changing part of your life that you have to wall off. And for her to say she has PTSD, PTSD is a pretty strong line. And I'm like, yeah, of course you'd have PTSD after all this shit that you went through. But there's also like a lot of beautiful things. That's usually what we see about the companions afterwards is remembering the heydays and the beautiful and the wonder and the longing. But we've also, we have, we have also dealt with people feeling like they're going through a breakup with the doctor. But so I really appreciated that we got to do this checking where she didn't even have an interaction with the doctor here outside of the flashback.

Starting point is 00:12:15 that she didn't even have an interaction with him in her present day time that it was very much a focused episode on unit ruby and conrad and looking at what the world has become without the doctor around and where we're headed i thought it was kind of a bold maneuver so my original criticism that i was going to have is that it was bumming me out when i realize oh well it's kind of weird that you get ruby sunday back and you're not going to have her have a scene with the doctor i like i want to count the flashback as that whenever they're talking about the antidote you're not going to have like a present day situation scene or without the doctor and you give a whole episode focus to her this kind of feels like you're sidetracking and it it still kind of bums me out that they didn't get

Starting point is 00:13:00 to interact but then they gave that scene though to the doctor on the tartis where he's interacting with conrad where he delivers this really powerful monologue it's one of those badass moments and it also sets up conrad for something more and then uh mrs flood also showing up it says sets up Conrad for something more so it does feel like it's still factoring into something bigger that this is going to amount to even though they didn't have an interaction um I do yeah yeah you know I am pretty I don't you guys feel this is my feelings I'm not saying this is how most people feel I am how do you feel about it like I'm actually pretty bum that they did not have an interaction with each other if we were who culture I would give that it down that they did not interact with each other Rejignation, when looking at where this channel's at now to where it once was when this first started. There's a lot of growing pains. There always will be growing pains, but I remember back on the day it was like wearing every single hat. Creative, editor, accountant, marketer, every year answer had to come for me in some way and every new day brought some type of decision that I questioned whether or not I was qualified to make. And that's why I wish we had something like Shopify from the start.

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Starting point is 00:17:08 like purely just between the two of them so it's not like the full vindication of like and the doctor arrives in the TARDIS on live street and not even that you're asking that to happen it's I think for the somber sort of again PTSD story that they're

Starting point is 00:17:24 broaching with her that it makes sense and then in the greater narrative the whole like that thing on the end of like oh you've not even met Belinda Chondrya there's a certain like timey whyminess about where the doctor fits into this episode that I felt like it kind of makes sense.

Starting point is 00:17:42 And I could imagine a version of this season or series where maybe before the end she might pop back up and they could, even if it's not a huge thing. But, you know, like in Doctor Who, there are all sorts of reasons to have past characters pop up. And it seems clear that from this, you know, I mean, it could just easily be one episode, but it seems like this new era,

Starting point is 00:18:03 this Russell T. Davies, season one, two, whatever, beyond reboot, seems more open to like actively having people stop by but at the same time I mean like yeah in this episode you do find yourself in the actual act of watching it craving

Starting point is 00:18:18 like oh man when's the doctor going to show up and is there going to be you know some kind of moment between him and Ruby because the other half of my brain says well you could have them interact in a way that also emphasizes the difficulty of her position you know while also you know

Starting point is 00:18:34 lending some kind of credence to the wondrous experiences of the past or whatever I don't know but I also don't feel like it's the end of Ruby though I don't either yeah absolutely

Starting point is 00:18:45 I think Ruby will eventually interact with him again and that's yeah it's like I guess while watching it and in the immediate moment after I'm sort of like reserved it's almost like

Starting point is 00:18:54 I might have different feelings about that once the season's done because yeah it's just like the way the language of the episode flows it feels like yeah obviously it's not the point of the season but I feel like we'll see it here again, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe it seems like there are too many elements of each of these

Starting point is 00:19:12 four episodes so far that as much as it is an adventure of the week and as much as recent two iterations have done more serializing, it feels like this season and these, this, you know, new iteration is more intent on having serial elements frequently throughout, even if the format is still episodic. And I feel like this could be part of that. But I'm also, it's a aspect the episode i'm excited to hear more discourse on because my opinion might alter based on you know different discussions on that sure sure and too i mean it's the kind of episode i'm excited to watch again at some point for the to drink in a more bird's eye kind of way like how it is doing this conversation because yeah like it is such a charged debate and it captures the feeling of how

Starting point is 00:19:59 it feels to just exist in the world where this is already happening just with more dubious and tangible systems. Yeah. You know, and, yeah, it's using very much the language and actions of, you know, anger and, you know, like the social, the culture war. It's using like the, yeah, the posture and language of the culture war. And it just feels kind of like, it's heavy to go there. And this episode definitely carried like a unique tone about it.

Starting point is 00:20:28 And I like that, yeah, like for as much as there is that rewarding moment of like, he's like, oh, God, please stop. you know, it seems like the point's gotten through. He's like, he's too far gone for a complete resolution and, you know, he has that square off with the doctor and is much righteous fury as I think we cathartically get hearing the doctor deliver these lines. At the same time, he doesn't recant or, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:50 he only doubles down on his hatred and on the path that he is on. And so, like, even if, like, you said, obviously the episode probably comes more from the perspective of unit of the doctor of the system put in place to try and protect you that you are railing against with all this misinformation. You know, as much as it is kind of from that perspective,

Starting point is 00:21:10 it kind of just let everyone say their peace. And it didn't, like, force a resolution other than that shield is in enough, not shield, unit is in enough power. And had a legitimate enough demonstration to be able to kind of maintain their position. But, you know, the philosophical aspect, it just kind of like lets the different sides say their peace and that's that. Yeah, yeah. You know, and that's kind of cool.

Starting point is 00:21:31 I thought over I mean there's a really good points you made that I didn't consider thanks for that yeah I thought this was a really solid one too I don't know where I put it in the ranking of the episode so far but I feel it's been a pretty great season

Starting point is 00:21:47 legitimately outside of the first episode of this season I think the rest have been pretty fucking rock solid yeah and a little Sean the dead in that bar scene and two big props to the guy who played you know Conrad because that

Starting point is 00:22:01 is a thankless kind of like a hateable kind of role to have to play and he committed to it and props because i hated him i hated him yeah and also uh kate you know it's really easy for a character like her to show up and to take for granted just how much of a fucking badass and a boss she was this whole episode uh i really felt her this time like a lot really really did And so weirdly is part of the back and forth in my own brain about not having them interact with the doctor is this really shined a spotlight on two characters we've been, we've seen before, Kate and Ruby, in a way where they really commanded it as protagonists in this chapter of the season. And I thought that they did an excellent job to the point where I wasn't like missing the doctor. You know, I just wanted a scene with them to have. but i thought kate's intensity and her ferocity really uh commanded the screen and in a way that i don't

Starting point is 00:23:05 really recall her doing in the time we've spent with her here this might be the most she's ever stood out to me uh in a way that really drew me to her like i i love that moment at the end when uh she said when they're when they found like comrades in the hospital i mean they're kind of guys like I went too far and you know she's like dismissive of it like you could see you could see in her look that part of her him part of her wanted him to die you know and so I thought the complexity of her performance is really strong yeah absolutely and and just her fire in you know being in defense of her father's legacy and yeah it's like it's cool that in an episode like this the you know the universe is enough of a character but you know anytime and

Starting point is 00:23:56 And it's also a type of Doctor Who, the one that doesn't feature the doctor very much. But, you know, you have to have strength of the rest of your ensemble and of, you know, whoever your villain is, obviously, to make that work. And, you know, we spent enough time with Kate and we've, you know, we've had less doctor-centric episodes that also heavily feature Kate. But, like, yeah, this was definitely, like, a big, it just, yeah, like, it put a lot of the catharsis of especially that showdown moment, you know, at her feet really you know because you know she's the one leading unit this is the big public

Starting point is 00:24:30 outcries against unit and essentially by proxy her leadership yeah and uh and yeah for a character that we have followed for so long through so many iterations and it just grace naturally makes sense that you know like of all the factions of the doctor who world that we know unit you know would probably come under this kind of attack at some point and yeah like her for whatever unit has been, she has always been a very interesting just portrayal of the conflict that can sometimes come of running, you know, any

Starting point is 00:25:00 organization tasked with security and protection. Yeah, I thought she did a really nice job here. Full heartedly, man, fullheartedly. What do you guys think about this episode, though? Was it a disappointment? Was it one you liked? Where would you put it in this season? And do you think that they'll get

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The Reel Rejects - DOCTOR WHO “LUCKY DAY” 2x4 (15x4) Breakdown & Review

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