The Reel Rejects - DOCTOR WHO “THE INTERSTELLAR SONG CONTEST” 15x6 / 2x6 Breakdown & Review

Episode Date: May 18, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:38 August 1st. Thank you guys for supporting us. Thank you for being here. And now let's watch the telly. And if you're listening to us or Apple or Spotify, we just watch the new episode of Doctor Who. And, uh, Can I express the one note I wrote?
Starting point is 00:01:01 Please. Is it a D-sharp? Yes. What do you mean that? It's a note of music. It did not be able to. True story, guys. I'm pulling an all-nighter, and I'm still recovering from it because I only got sleep yesterday.
Starting point is 00:01:19 And I got up at 4.45 in the morning today. And it takes six. You're always a day removed from catching up from your last poor night's sleep. So my cognitive skills are especially off today. I wrote the word gay. This was a gay episode. And not for the gay reasons, one would surmise. When I was watching the doctor be so gay,
Starting point is 00:01:48 when I was watching the doctor become threatening and cool, I wrote gay because I don't find often. that homosexual men are portrayed as like the tough badass unless it's like a direct joke contrast thing yeah yeah the way you like peel back
Starting point is 00:02:12 the layer like oh they're actually gay or something like that either that I mean like a guy who's like clearly gay is what I'm talking about like this version of the doctor's like definitely gay yeah and or maybe not a hundred maybe not uh no no They've made it clear he's gay, right?
Starting point is 00:02:30 Yeah. I get the sense. Or at least certainly more toward the homosexual side of the scale than not, but perhaps pansexual to some degree. I thought there was a line or two that made it like, oh, no, it's the men that he's a drawn. I'm not sure. I can kind of, there's an echo. Specifically shooties. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Yeah. Because we. Palti. Yeah. No, I mean, we know about the, um, uh, again, the names. Spoilers. What's her name? River Song.
Starting point is 00:02:59 River Song, yeah. They were in love. Anyway, like at the beginning of this episode, when he's, like, enjoying the show and he's letting more of the, I'm afraid I'm going to say the wrong thing while trying to show my support for a community. He's really getting it up, being gay.
Starting point is 00:03:14 It's like, you know, when he's being, like, gregarious and having fun, you know, like some of this, like, hey, babes and stuff. He's just having fun and being in his element. Yeah, and I think Judy got was gay in real life. Anyway, to, to then have the transition where he gets to have like these
Starting point is 00:03:32 badass moments. This righteous indignation and the ability to back it up with what we know is like damn when he gets this mad like he gets shit doing. Exactly. Yeah where it becomes like scary and cool and to be the protector
Starting point is 00:03:47 there's something pretty cool to me about that that they actually don't shy away from earmarks that would be a little single of if I didn't know I guess he's gay to then have these other
Starting point is 00:04:04 moments that I appreciate that a lot honestly it's rare it's rare it's really rare well they let him live like I do appreciate that this doctor in particular is I think not only gay
Starting point is 00:04:18 I don't want to be yeah obviously by now I hope people know the way the gay doctor gays is pretty gay I like that this doctor in particular, they all feel alive in various ways and they all encompass these different
Starting point is 00:04:34 qualities, some of which are very fun and avuncular and then some of which are quite harsh and formidable. And I think that this doctor, for as much as people have had their various opinions on
Starting point is 00:04:49 the fact that he calls everyone babes or that he cries more, I like that it seems like they have let this iteration of the doctor live in a different way and not to say that it's bad that the other doctors had more of a restraint in one way or another, but like he really lavishes in, I think it's cool given all the different trajectories that we have seen in the chunk of the show, the new era that we have seen, you know, there's been some brooding, there's been some darker doctors than others. And this is the most I've felt like the lust for life that this guy has embodied so like in the moment.
Starting point is 00:05:25 And I think that's cool because like the doctor always has. this appreciation for and fascination with everything in the universe. But the way they let him really kind of like live in this form and like feel this form and kind of, yeah, have this personality, I think is really cool. Because yeah, it's like it benefits from the fact that you know that like, oh yeah, when the doctor in whatever iteration, even the Jody Whitaker iteration, when the doctor gets pissed and is like, it's personal now. you know like that's just formidable and gripping no matter who and that carries over for me into this so yeah it's like i think it's a blast when you're watching him get into you know the contest and the clothes and you know the the fun games of it all but also yeah like for him to then have that tone shift and to see the scale of the attempted destruction and to yeah be reminded i guess like the masculinity strength yeah he's allowed he's i guess that's kind of what i've been trying to get out this whole time and thank you for the for like helping get to the clarity is like he's allowed to have a lot of feminine attributes in a lot of ways and also is all of the masculine ones when he needs to be and when they're justified by the moment and like yeah when he is talking to
Starting point is 00:06:42 kid and he's got that he's got the ice in his heart but the fire in his voice like his you know get those goosebumps like it's really yeah it's really cool to be like oh yeah when the doctor's when the doctor means business that's cool no matter what and it's cool that in this case it's a queer character yeah like when shoot he was I remember like in the lead up that was one of the things that this show got a lot of
Starting point is 00:07:05 hate for from as you said in the intro and the people who jumped on the doctor who bandwagon so they could hate on it and make content right there are definitely people who have done that I'm like I bet you did not give a shit about doctor who until you realize I could hate on this yeah
Starting point is 00:07:20 the doctor in past episode past eras has said as much as he's been with all sorts of people yeah yeah exactly yeah and some of them but like shoot shoot t in particular represents more of the of the queer side decisively queer and it it was when the when they would isolate moments from trailers or scenes they would isolate moments where he's showing a little bit more of that queer side in his personality and that's why i'm citing that's why i'm highlighting this um because what i just pointed out Boy, Star pointed out that we have elaborated on. It's not like reserved for this episode.
Starting point is 00:07:59 It's like the entire time we're shooting out, it's been here. Yeah. It's been here the entire time. And I think the emotional spectrum that he shows is, I think that's why him not having a decisive wardrobe helps. because wardrobe creates a sense of uniformity like there's Matt Smith is like
Starting point is 00:08:27 fun professor tenant kind of dresses like detective right like you associate a certain thing often in the way their wardrobe is
Starting point is 00:08:37 whereas the human beings we don't live by a wardrobe you know we don't have that dug closet we don't have a uniform we don't have a uniform no and I think that is why
Starting point is 00:08:50 he feels if he feels the most human of it like he gets down he he's this larger than life being that meets humanity at their level now because humans are emotional beings and i think this uh for some reason there was like more clarity coming into my head when i was watching this maybe appreciate it more and i think it probably helped that there was like a gay couple that was reminding me with it. Yeah, you have the benefit now of being able for it not to have to be a novelty. So yeah, you can have multiple queer characters and you can kind of show the contrast that exists within all community between all people. That's just like, yeah, there are different vibes and demeanors of everyone. And so yeah, and I thought the way that they used Gary and Mike was really lovely. It was really fun. And yeah, like each of them, I like we met them in, you know, a very relatable. spat of like you never take my passion seriously and then over the course of the episode both of them has an opportunity to rise to their occasion and to be formidable or at least be in charge be the person who we look to for help for the solution or whatever and even and then they give us the eye line of
Starting point is 00:10:04 being like yeah if this was any of us no matter what you know orientation or identity we are we would probably be like oh good he likes us he doesn't want to obliterate us so i guess you know it speaks to the scary power of this other character, you know, and lens. I don't know. I think, yeah, all that stuff kind of helps communally. And this is a perfect setting for it. It's an intergalactic song competition.
Starting point is 00:10:29 And that's a place for pageantry and certainly the type of ritual that probably has a huge queer fan base anyway, even though everyone gets into it. And so, like, I felt like, yeah, the disposition, the displacement of, you know, varieties of characters
Starting point is 00:10:44 and representation on screen, like, matched where we were in a nice way. And, yeah, like, had a nice variance that you are, sadly, not as used to seeing in the modern times. No, no, no. And beyond that, even though the episode wasn't about anything we said, I mean, it's kind of... And a little person directed the show. Really? No, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:06 The director, but, like, the director, that character who is directing a live broadcast. And, like, you know, that's the character who doesn't get made any sort of major, capitalized. or punctuated point out of but like just a great performer just like another person who might be here and is just portrayed as being good at their job and that's kind of all we need. This is probably like
Starting point is 00:11:27 one of the most diversity driven episodes yeah it's not like hey a crew of people there's an Asian there's a black and I think too like it speaks to I like the variety that you pointed out about his wardrobe and I like the season again
Starting point is 00:11:45 every season in his own flavor, and that's what I like about the show partly, one of the many things. This season, especially in the here and now, the doctor's demeanor feels like, yeah, a citizen of a vast galaxy.
Starting point is 00:11:56 He seems like a fluid, curious guy. Yeah, a thousand percent. Yeah, and I think that really nicely matches this, and I think, yeah, the changing wardrobe, A,
Starting point is 00:12:04 is just a nice way to break from convention, and I think the changing wardrobe has been good because there's a vibe, and it's like in Lux, he's got the blue suit stuff is reminiscent of past doctors, but he also has like a style that his wardrobe kind of follows
Starting point is 00:12:22 even if it's not always like the same pieces, which I think is cool, which speaks to also the creative back and forth. It seems like everyone who plays the doctor gets some kind of creative stamp to put on this stuff. And yeah, like to go into like the actual story because yeah, it does have this sort of like
Starting point is 00:12:39 natural born killers crashed into uh fifth element with like a sprinkling of i don't know some kind of political or like network style like wake up people like you know the tyrannies of you know corporate greed and well in the 90s after die hard there was there's a lot of these like you know takeovers and an event setting yeah yeah and so there was like a bit of nostalgia to the way i thought this execution was done for characters like belinda who's experiencing it i will say though we are almost done with this season and i i still don't really feel like i know belinda that well and i the more i feel like it's when i ever i feel like we're really about to and i've seen comments who you know
Starting point is 00:13:31 humanously disagree uh which is cool i wish i was you i wish i had that uh journey with it yeah um but I don't have I constantly feel like we're on the teetering there yet I still can't quite discern stuff yeah I really like her vibe and I really like watching her I think she's a great performer agree agree and like you know the contrast I always appreciate when we sit down to this like the like on and or she's so like serious and you believe her as a totally different person and it's like cool to see her as like just a regular I I feel like when I see this actor pop up, Verada Setsu, I feel like she's usually in a more like commanding role. Whereas this is like, yeah, you're the companion. You're a lot of things. You're competent, but you're also getting to be our cipher for, you know, this vast, wondrous galaxy, formidable galaxy.
Starting point is 00:14:28 And yeah, it's like I really love the work that they do and the vibes that they bounce off each other. And like when they hug, when they're reunited and stuff like that, like I thought there was going to be more of a game between their separate. in this episode. And I feel like once the doctor does the general organa thing like he takes command of the episode again which leads to a lot of great stuff
Starting point is 00:14:49 but yeah part of my brain lit up when we were both like oh this is going to be a Belinda episode even Millie Gibson gets an episode it's like all hers in the Belinda season that like helps like so much of Ruby Sunday
Starting point is 00:15:05 was like a question mark and a lot of emphasis on her she had the Yards episode 42 yards or something like that I forget what it is but like all her and this season got an episode so much about her and I
Starting point is 00:15:23 wish they were given that to but I'm pretty sure this is shootie's last season maybe she'll stick around that's happened before where a companion stays but doctor changes so maybe because yeah there's this constant like thing they keep bringing up about how
Starting point is 00:15:41 she doesn't seems like she really doesn't want to like be with the doctor and there's like off-screen stuff that I kind of feel like we haven't been getting where I wish we were sort of feeling this feeling this stuff more she's that I agree that she's like so good in her acting that I would like yeah I'd love for her to have her own episode but I doubt the season finale would be that I wish that yeah like I really like the idea of the serial aspect of the season and there moments and glimmers where I'm like cool I like the idea of the slow development of her like being like hey you know I haven't told you like you're really great like I really like there is an aspect of this that is really wonderful I like the companions slow to warm up to this and slow to like kind of let it settle in your you know I don't know it's got to change your whole perception of reality but yeah it's weird it's like it feels very slight and I again love the episodic nature of Doctor Who I feel like if they had gone not maybe full six episode flux arc, but like a
Starting point is 00:16:43 little bit more of that? Like to to give you like a real sense that there is a living debate between the doctor and Belinda, this back and forth of like, this is actually really cool, but also I need to get home. I didn't ask to be here. I think that's really interesting. And I don't see one episode making it feel like
Starting point is 00:16:59 that's been a well-rounded aspect of the season, which was something that, you know, at the outset it seemed like they were talking about the sort of the interplay between Belinda and the doctor was like a big theme of the season and like it's there it's not it's not it's a tiny thread but it's also not like as much of a developed thing as i would have liked i don't know if she did this up so she mostly survives and yeah i mean even and even the scene when she's yeah with the other
Starting point is 00:17:27 helian and the guy who kind of sucks like they are driving a lot of the stuff or they're mostly collecting information and it's like i liked kid and uh the other girl Helly or whatever I like them I like the performers both of them I've seen Freddie Fox on a bunch of stuff
Starting point is 00:17:44 and he's always a joy so it's like cool to see him here I think he sells the role really well but that's another one of those Doctor Who things I think where this is doing a few things this episode and I feel like to really drive home to like we're going to take control of the Brockett
Starting point is 00:18:00 like I like the back and forth of what are you trying to do here are you trying to massacre everyone in the route at first you think there's going to be this huge ticking clock situation where it's like this is all live on TV and they're going to do some kind of real time like thing and then it
Starting point is 00:18:15 goes the opposite of that which is creepy which is eerie when everyone gets blasted out and they play the rehearsal and now we're basically in a private setting we're in front of three trillion people now we're in front of almost no people and so that kind of that pivot
Starting point is 00:18:31 I'm still kind of like a little disoriented by I feel like I felt like there wasn't a layer to kid that was rooted I'm sure the actor did have it but he played it so much like a villain and that's how I
Starting point is 00:18:48 just sort of viewed him as versus society really changed this guy and there is a lot of hurt underneath it you know he's touched at the end song and obviously it's there it's in the text that that's why he says it he says this is why he is the way he is but he plays it so much like a villain
Starting point is 00:19:09 that I didn't really get that additional layer that I think would have made this episode stronger and perhaps a little tragic provoking when the doctor's torturing him of like no you're like this is horrible like murdering all these people is bad but I'm talking more about like the dialogue scenes and the interaction that didn't really
Starting point is 00:19:34 yeah it's i like it was a lot of this was like meeting me like 80 percent i felt like there's like a 20 percent mark that was missing on certain parts that would have it's one of the shorter episodes of the season two and it's and i think there was like a lot of it was uh sometimes i say 20 percent makes 80 percent of the difference or some shit and i and i do think there were some parts that were like ah there's like this 20 percent thing that's kind of missing yeah there's just a lot of stuff that could have i think been more flavor or it's like when you have the guy finding out that his this is the woman who he's
Starting point is 00:20:08 you know here with and who he works with and all that stuff and you know who has this massive talent he's shunning her because of oh you're a hellion like that is an instance where I'm like this could be a bit more just nuanced like and not even crazy nuance I think that just could have used
Starting point is 00:20:24 any level more nuanced and the prospect of like a Eurovision episode seems really cool and I am guessing that that Ryland guy they gave him a name so he seems like a real dude um i wonder if i mean they had graham norton so yeah i imagine let's look it up let's see host uk ryan and like fun you know yeah he pops up riley clarke well-known uk television and oh uh x factor was like the big thing okay gotcha gotcha gotcha uh yeah
Starting point is 00:21:00 co-hosted the eurovision song contest there we go see they like that's cool Cool. And that's cheeky. And I like that. And I'm sure if you watch Eurovision religiously, which many people do, like, just having that will probably tie this together better. I think for me, I like that they had a musical element. I like that they did like commit to the motif. But I feel like there were, he's gay. There's a lot of gay in this. There's a lot of gay. I'm glad I wrote down the word gay. This is a very, you know, I am feeling gay because of all the lovely gay energy on screens. so gay. I like the, and the Eurovision, very gay, you know, in a lot of ways. I like the use of that as a device, because, like, yes, there are instances where
Starting point is 00:21:44 there are political interests that are debated as to who should be allowed to participate in Eurovision, and can the songs be a chance for an underrepresented culture in the world to get their message out there of, hey, we're being, you know, treated unfairly, or there's this probably, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:00 like there are a lot of stuff there. And I like that they do create the moment, like, again, for delivering the message, I like that it's like, yes, we will, this whole show is messed and it's probably not important anymore, really. Let's just give the center stage to, again, the
Starting point is 00:22:15 Hellions, because they've been treated so terribly and let her sing this uncensored song in her own language. It's like, it's great. But it's, it's not quite fleshed out enough on the political side to really feel like a rich commentary episode. Like, you get the bare minimum of like, yes, the Hellions
Starting point is 00:22:31 have been treated unfairly, and it's all because this corporation came onto their planet and has taken all the resources and ruined the whole thing and then spread all these lies throughout the galaxy to victimize these people. Like you get it. But like the way it's presented is competing with a bunch of other things that kind of make it.
Starting point is 00:22:47 It's good that like the doctor stuff is so breathable and hits you the best because I think like that's perhaps the core of the emotional satisfaction of the episode. Watching the doctor descend into someone who would inflict violence and
Starting point is 00:23:03 way that could potentially kill someone he's literally threatening the murder yeah and i like again the whole corporation and like there's a lot of well-intentioned commentary here but it's yeah i wish the commentary had more room to spread its legs and actually do that if that's what we're here to do or for the eurovision stuff they made a whole eurovision song contest comedy movie like i i maybe would have liked a little bit more of importance for that motif being involved in such a way I don't know. It's weird. I can see like multiple versions of this episode as it stands. Even though there's stuff I really liked about it. I love the couple. Gary and Mike.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Love Gary and Mike. I think Gary and Mike felt very real. Did. I like how it started off with them having like a sense of tension and for getting defensive over it. And then watching them in their element of their jobs. You could see their attraction and the fondness of the guy growing on on them over time. And the charm of them being like, directly mad at the doctor and then being like they're saved by him and they come to really love him i love i love the uh production design of this episode a lot you know for an episode that is taking
Starting point is 00:24:14 place on the eurovision thing like there's the way they utilize their sets and costumes and uh the countless makeup i thought was like really cool to behold uh i thought it was horrifying when they were thrust it into space that was that was very truly horrifying moment and I like the brilliance that the Mavity shield was expanded out because of the doctor having the foresight for that was was really awesome too there's yeah there's like choices this is like a very big it's an enjoyable episode I was never bored and if if it's boring or annoying then I don't like it but i was never bored and i was never annoyed you know i thought it was it just is one of those things where you could see how especially after having like what a well probably the best shootie
Starting point is 00:25:10 gawah era episode was was last week yeah um story in the engine yeah uh for us at least it seems like for a lot of people and honestly the season's kind of been slapping season season isn't going hard season is pretty dope yeah yeah yeah i's actually you know what i was i think on a personal flavor I would still say the devil's cord is my favorite that episode is hard to top it's just very much like nothing yeah
Starting point is 00:25:35 totally totally but I would be like perhaps say like the overall if I were to just make like notes I would go last week's was probably the one I would objectively say subjectively I would probably
Starting point is 00:25:51 give it to a devil's court you know yeah It's just so that's one of the episodes It feels fully like is able to kind of do everything it wants to do Without being limited in any way Yeah, and for as many again For as many like complaints has been addressed in this episode's crit I feel like compared to some other episodes across the show
Starting point is 00:26:13 There's like enough of the right things work That it's like still a pretty good episode Or at least a pretty enjoyable episode And it's just that that little bit of like Oh man I wish this was like a lot little more inspired here or there or like this debate got to breathe a little more so it doesn't so it feels a little more than basic and budget purposes too as part of the partnership with disney of the budget access i think there's this the kind of episode wouldn't have look this good if it wasn't part of
Starting point is 00:26:47 the disney umbrella the corporation the corporation and we are complicit and again Yeah, like the viewers thing, obviously you should kill the viewers, but I'm like, there's an interesting thing to talk about about complicity, I guess. But yeah, I mean, it does benefit greatly from that. And this was a really dazzling episode to look at it. It's a world. Another example of a place that I think especially because of the Eurovision element, but also the fantastical element. It's like a place you would really love to go. It's like the time hotel. You'd love to pay to go here. And I love the detail of the corporation invading this planet for the poppy, not for flavor. For flavor. That's such a good detail. That's great. That is so ugly. It's not even the thing itself.
Starting point is 00:27:35 And I'm like, oh, yeah, I mean, in big, in the U.S., for sure, must be in a lot of parts of the world. When you take the time to, like, read a bottle, it's fucking crazy. places get destabilized for very small things and I think to taste like the the yeah I know it's like it's not even the honey itself or for the poppies themselves which is wouldn't make it better not even for like necessary nutrition for one chemical way down the list of ingredients or whatever I think that too also just has the the misfortune of coming on the heels of like the Gorman massacre on and or was like a couple of weeks ago and like that's an example of this just in like way greater detail not that they have the time or would need to do all of that but i think it's it's it's interesting that yeah two of the same comment is happening under the disney umbrella which is nice well i felt like we had characters saying how they're treated versus really showing us like i think i think we would have probably aided that that depth um what i forget her name girlfriend hellian yes if if it seemed like in that environment
Starting point is 00:28:47 that people are like are kind of dismissive or distant or give her the cold shoulder you know and then the only person who treats her nice is the director of it you said like you know controversial was to hire a hellian I know and so I think if they visually showed us that like even in this environment
Starting point is 00:29:06 like they're still treating her like shit and you don't know why and then you find out later that it's because of that you know because yeah I don't really get the I don't really see that I can't latch on to it the xenophobia of it because I only got it from
Starting point is 00:29:21 villain and then an aided speech by the singer who's a great performance but yeah it's like again like context like you said great intent it's it is some of that overall but sometimes like I know we've been kind of like criticizing a lot I don't want it to be overlooked
Starting point is 00:29:41 this was still a very enjoyable episode yeah no totally and and like I said There have been episodes where things aren't working or have great or potential where it, like, does hurt more. And this one, by all, and, like, if we were watching the season, I wouldn't be like, oh, skip that one. Yeah. Like, this was, yeah, really fun. And it's, I think for me, it's one of those things where it's like, there's so much that does work. And then you just wish the couple things, yeah, the things that don't or could be easily a little rich or stand out because of that.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Because all you would take really is, like, give the two Hellions, some natural-born killers character development for us to really see who they are as people. and give, you know, the singer some involvement in all of that, you know? Yeah, the dealing with the shame of having to hide who you are. And why you might go about this path, this longer path that is with... There's a lot of arguing about how to do stuff within the system versus destroying the system from outside and starting again that you could easily do, show their perspectives, yeah, on this whole thing, this triangle of perspective.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Because clearly the girl, the one in the control room with kid is kind of, in the middle is the middle pole a point on that line between kid and uh and cora so yeah it's like it's it's there it's i don't think they have the time yeah but the driving of the doctor and then the nuance of it triggering him from the genocide that he experienced that was good that was a really good detail and like he's a shoot he is like the best part of the episode right by kind of a lot and i'll never not be happy with yeah yeah yeah and it's like you're showing up for doctor who if the doctor's main story is super engaging if the doctor is you know still great then hell yeah like there's still plenty of positives and i am wondering if there's something about the celebrityism of
Starting point is 00:31:28 this that may be kind of hindered some of like it's a short episode and i think it might have hindered some of the capacity for what they could do i wonder i really wonder if there's like limitations in some way I'm not like I he got like two very big people in the UK who are uh like graham norton like far exceeds you know he's a super freaking popular graham norton globally love him he's like the best i think he's the best talk show host uh currently right now it's like conan o'brien is my all-time favorite human being um but i wouldn't really call him a talk show host anymore no he's he's something else entirely now yeah whereas even the talk show's fear like you put anyone up
Starting point is 00:32:12 whoever exists now out here Kimmel Fallon Colbert I'm like no it's fucking Graham Norton like Graham Dorden is the king That's the show you imagine yourself You want to be able to go on and chum around And share crazy stories
Starting point is 00:32:26 There are guests who clearly Are so different There than when they're in an American talk show Yeah they're not guarded It really feels like people aren't guarded And are in an environment where they can loosen up. And I'll say it too, you know, for like, even though a lot of their lines are them hosting when the non-hosting moments were happening where they have to act, I think both Ryland and Graham Norton did a good job. Yeah, absolutely. Like that last, last, last straightforward lines that Graham Norton was given in, it's Graham Norton, right?
Starting point is 00:33:07 Yeah. You feel like it's a different person? No, it is Graham Norton. They name him and they. episode i believe they do yeah okay uh yeah i've seen so much graham norton it's hard to find full episodes out here and like sometimes people like re-upload them to youtube uh yeah uh yeah some of the best interview club about so much so much binging and i believe i believe uh the doctor was on uh i think he's probably had several doctors they've had i think there was one episode with matt smith and uh tenant oh that i think they were both on yeah got christopher echoston in there yeah right the funnest conversation But now, man, I mean, that's all for today.
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Starting point is 00:34:02 And we'll see you for what I think is the finale. God damn, I want to know. One more season. Is this episode seven? This is episode seven. And yes, because it was Robot Revolution, it was Lux. It was the sequel to Midnight. It was, is this five or six?
Starting point is 00:34:24 I'm not sure. What am I forgetting? No, no, because, yeah, there was the Ruby episode, and there was the story and the engine. So this must be the sixth episode. Okay. How? No, stop.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Damn you. I'm complicit. Spoil the end of the season for us. How many episodes are in the new season? Can't type today. It's because there's a person and a camera right in front of you. Typing is harder with people around. Eight episodes.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Long answer to that question. Okay. Oh, okay. So the, the, no, I think this information is wrong. Uh-oh, here, let me try. Let me... This is eight episodes, but... The eight episodes are released weekly with the season finale,
Starting point is 00:35:20 a two-part story titled Wish World and the Reality War. Ooh, okay. I don't know if that's correct. You never know. Oh, I think they may have released the episode titles beforehand. I think I remember shouts out to Who Culture, them talking about just the names of the episodes. uh on one of their you know breakdowns in the new season of why i'm having a hard time
Starting point is 00:35:48 eight episodes is that the last one a two-partner i guess it must be it must start on may 24th and then take us into the unknown of may 31st okay uh there 31 days in may either would all right well had a great time see you guys for the epic finale Right, we love you. One more season. Chutigawa, stick around. Maybe it ends with a... There's one more, but Chudy...
Starting point is 00:36:16 No, I'm just trying to put it out there into the universe. I know... I think this is the end. Chutti watches this channel, he told me. And he listens to every ounce of these reviews. He recognized me when I interviewed. Remember that? That was a greatest day of my wife.
Starting point is 00:36:29 He did. And that was such a cool, honestly, I still think back to being there, like, you know, on the carpet. That was gnarly to me. That was a joy. Like, that is one of the hallmark. Rejects moments and and I just hope that he returns for no see like I forget that I forget that we we've both met him I forget I forget that yeah yeah like an and and truly I do cherish those moments because I do love watching him as the doctor yeah I do I would be thrilled if at least
Starting point is 00:37:01 there were three series with him uh you know I I get that you know you're kind of on retainer and there are various reasons not to be but I like just love his flavor in this and I and I love to bask in one more season's worth, especially because two, I feel like there were certain ways in which the first season was really strong. Some people agree there were some things they could have worked on about that, but generally pretty strong. Then this season
Starting point is 00:37:23 has been mostly bangers. And then this episode in the Robot Revolution are like pretty good, you know, maybe not great, but still like generally a banger season. And part of my brain goes like, man, if we can just like clinch it in with like a third season that is just dynomite somehow. And two, like having the build up of like,
Starting point is 00:37:39 okay, well, clearly Ruby recurs and as flood recurs and the potential for Belinda they could do some new thing with the companions because too they've brought a lot more of them back for things in recent times too from the past year as like I don't know it gets my brain excited and I like
Starting point is 00:37:55 the roundness of that it would feel kind of slight if he only did too but whatever I'm grateful for what we got because it's been a real joy we'll discover we'll discover thank you gang see you next week Thank you.

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