The Reel Rejects - ECHO EPISODE 5 Breakdown & Review

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

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Must be a good one. Anyway, guys, we're at the Echo finale. Loved Episode 4. I think I spoke for all of us as that being our favorite of the four that we had watched. Let's just see what happens. All right. Let's see what happens. I was so five.

I am very hopeful right now, as I'm sure both all three of us are. I'm really dragging my words here. Leave a like on this video. And while you're doing that, tell us in the comments. What did you think of the finale? Did it land well for you? Did it meet your expectation? Camio.

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That is a fantastic way to set up Thunderbolts. Wilson Fiske, we'll run for mayor. You make him mayor, you outlaw vigilantes like they do in the comics all the time, and then the Thunderbolts is all that. I think it's more Daredevil born again. Oh, I think Daredevil as well, but Thunderbolts is also, like, I think it's going to be big ramifications. Young Avengers, Thunderbolts, Daredevil.

I don't think that's going to have anything to do, Thunderbolts. We're never going to see a resolve or follow up on that scene. I don't think their new section of their TV shows for Marvel Spotlight are going to directly affect Thunderbolts. I think X-Men need to be hated and feared, so we need to get superheroes on the outside. Born again is going to be a political thriller. None of them ever.

In the system. Think so big, scopic, and have more direction than what they're currently doing, but I'm telling you, they should let me right. It's almost going to happen. It's all set up there at all born again. I'd be in there.

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most certainly fell into at certain points and most importantly I was like I really got the sense this is the first time I could feel I could feel the behind the scenes in a different way just having an understanding of shit that went down

coy my man why every time someone else is talking just freaking like it is not a toy man every time well I'm not talking so let me just

this isn't making any noise is it it was broaching against my he sounds like I'm a movement every what if episode is Greg's talking let me just really adjust the shit out of this right now that's content

baby anyway You were saying, there's like Little ways you could adjust it without Let me just grab every part We have all the traps And Koi knows that we can just go in And mute that part

And it won't take any extra effort Or separation or create any potential confusion Editing is the easiest part of our jobs Everyone knows it Oh I'm sorry It's free Anyway

So What was we talking about? Episodes finale We were getting into What the original plan for the episodes was Despite how this finale Turned out Yes

Yeah like the behind the scenes experience was Like I could feel it Of they so obviously Had more in In the can here And the impression I got was this really smart conscientious choice I could feel on the filmmaker's end I have to defend it for all we know like theoretically eight episodes the eight are terrible they had a trim

I don't know what the reasoning was the the the smart choice I felt of them to do was that okay we are being forced to cut this down how do we are we make up for that? Let's at least have a consistent tone. Let's at least have a consistent mood, a consistent atmosphere. That way we can at least have some sense of uniformity by the time we reach the finale where some of this stuff probably would have worked a little bit better if, you know, things that had more time to breathe or if they had more time to develop something or dive in. And maybe you don't feel this way. Maybe you don't. Maybe you're like, oh, I thought it was great. It was perfect. Everything was there.

maybe you feel that way that's cool if you do uh i personally was able to get this sense on almost everything that went down of yeah there probably was more of a better build to most of these things that happened and even like fight scene moments getting shortened uh certain part but there were still so many things in here that i was impressed with the choice when they wanted to be emotional about it it was very emotional like the scene with Her mom was great. Originally, Bonnie, but then her mom. What is strange choice?

Like, we're all connected. We're going to change actresses mid-moment. Bonnie showed up. I was like, no, my mind, they do look. I'm not saying they all look at all. Say specifically, those two, I feel like. They both are very gentle-wise. I'm going to slightly give me.

You might be like, no, they don't, Greg. Go ahead. Engage in the comments. Helps the video. Wow. In my opinion, I was like, I mean, come on, I didn't see their faces that much on screen, even though we just saw the mom in a flashback earlier in the episode.

So whatever, clown, I mean, all you want. I still thought there was great emotionality there when she dawns the suit, the representation of the Choctaw Nation in terms of this festival, I thought was great. Even the scene when she confronts Wilson Fisk and the barn and how it was in her POV and Wilson Fisk and his memory core, I could still sense. yeah you could definitely feel the trimmings though on almost everything that was happening this episode felt like it was grabbing pieces of a lot of threads and i could feel like it wasn't their fault if that makes that's in summary it's like they had to go what what can we make count the most and how do we make this feel still like a package is complete redemption for biscuits like i feel like there was like a lot of

background characters that didn't get to become foreground characters as much they would have. Some of the supporting cast felt fully fleshed out, but some didn't. I feel like they might have been. I definitely noticed the scene of her like on the motorcycle and completely different gear than running in the house and I was like, what scene happened between that? Like that could have been a whole day. Or they're just like

it probably just lasted longer in some fact showing up taking the gun and letting tension simmer instead of just cut two. Running in the house, different clothes. And I think that made the last episode feel a little, you know, lesser. But I do like that it didn't to end with a punch out fully.

I did like the visual representation of the echoes of her ancestry. I really loved the emotional through line of music and the way the sound design blended with her heartbeat in that scene, but then also at the end scene. I really liked what we set up with a new emotionality in Fisk through how she healed in some way, him maybe. We don't know. I thought it overall worked,

but it worked more on camera than what it felt like with behind the camera. Okay, so according to the reports that we have here, and, you know, like Disney and Fagy never affirm all these things. So they found parts of the film material unreleasable due to various production challenges. I couldn't see that. Was this film during COVID? Yep. I mean, it's still happening. I would have to imagine.

You know what I mean? When it was like at the height of the restrictions and protocols. And episode count adjustments, they were trying to figure out if it was four to six episodes, they, He said, let's meet in the middle of five. Yeah, and they reached out a significant portion of the series. That's interesting. I'm not sure. I can't look at this footage.

Sometimes you can tell. And to me, I'm not sure, like, where was the we shoot? I don't know. So it's seamless. I feel like they, they seamlessly blended stuff, whereas, like, other shows they've done. Oh, no, something went wrong here. Or they did not plan this out, or they were forced to make this longer, you know. And it is.

that they would take, especially for one that wants to honor the Netflix shows that came prior. I think that might have been decided later. I'm wondering how much of this got R-rated up and how much was filmed in the beginning. That's what I'm wondering. You know what I mean? Like how much did they add? This fell TV 14. Yeah.

So I'm wondering if they decided like, hey, we'd like to mature up blank. Let's have Echo be that gateway, like later on. Sure. I'm really curious when that decision was made because I do think there was maybe some kickback from Hawkeye. And they were like, what if the kingpin is going to be the Netflix kingpin now? And then they, like, juzed up echo. Well, they say film material unreleasable. It does make me curious what that unreleased.

Like, it's strange to talk about this one because, especially for our end, because we'll see what's like behind the scenes production problems that you could feel or like some shit went down here. And I can tell. But I didn't feel it until now. And I didn't know all these details until now. And for all, and for all of those details are just rumors. but it certainly feels the sense you get is that certainly seems especially when you know what happened to henry after there's clearly stuff cut even from one through four i was already like there's no way they can wrap this shit up in and five and there's no way they can flesh out

things they were building up and and put a proper cap on that or stamp on that and even to a certain extent like i like the intention and the choice of the echoing through the lineage that seemed obvious. It was like, I think from episode, from episode two, really. Yeah, no, the whole lineage, right? That's what's happening and it's all that coming through. I like the specificity of what each person represented. I didn't pick up on that. Yeah, I didn't

either. That was cool. What exactly is like, why? Why are we focusing on that? And it played with the comic mythos in a way that felt like it was very approachable. Like, this doesn't feel like you're missing out on reading it, but it also if you like this character, you should read it, because there is more in the David Mac, Joe Casada version. So I do think they nodded to her

power set in a fun way that leaves it opened a diving into more without feeling like oh i'm missing out what was your character arc john lay it out for the audience who echoes character arc yeah uh you know she learned a bit about who she actually is she learned to let go of some of that ingrained rage and the chip on her shoulder and she learned how to begin to embrace process and let go of pain and that is demonstrated in the ending scene with king pin as she encourages him to try and do the same because she recognizes herself as part of an ongoing cycle of violence and hurt and all that stuff. Yeah, that's great.

And, you know, she fights a couple times, too. She gets a new prosthetic leg. Yeah, I still think there was an arch. Guys, we just had secret in me. I mean, we didn't just have it. It's just, well, the last bad show we had. That wasn't the last show we had. That was like nine months ago.

I said the last bad one. What if in that? Oh, right. Loki was so exceptional. For good ones. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Looky was after.

This is funny. Secret of Agent feels so much longer ago because of how not great. Yeah, time is so weird with that show. That is a thing about this. And like the lately Marvel, the biggest issue about any Marvel thing to me lately has been the modularity and the fact that you can now tell that they are so accustomed to orchestrating their art in a way that can be picked apart and re-orchestrated. and again, I keep using the word modular

because it does feel like you can just pull this piece out, jam another piece in there. I think they might have had a harder time with this one because they shot on location. Because they didn't have like some big CGI realm to work with where they can just manipulate and redo shit all the time. Like, oh, no, we have to work with the footage we have. We have to have a director, have a vision.

But Loki worked that way. Sorry, yeah. Loki did my reshoots. Yeah. But that's the thing. and I think that does speak highly to why this works despite that to the degree that it does because of all the things lately that I've felt that about

and I've felt that about Marvel stuff that I've liked and disliked. Like the Marvel's is super fun, but it feels like it's been, you know, hacked to pieces and stuff has been pulled out and jammed in and all that other stuff. And this, I think by having it be so tangible, so ground level and so based on its time, place, and location,

that forces you to be a bit more consistent, considerate and a little less kind of flippant, I get the sense, or a little less fussy. Like, you have to commit and give the time it takes to go out and get that stuff in a way that you probably can't when you're just relying all on green screens and all on volumes and all on how do we have the most control over this without making it as tangible as it could be. And this, I think, managed. And I think it's also to the credit of especially whoever was directing and editing these things. Like, I have to imagine that all those writer credits probably had to do with taking the original stuff, truncating it down. And props to them as well.

Like, I feel like this is an example of something that, as you said, could have been way worse and could have felt like so much more of a hack job. And I bet it was hard to put together. But they do manage to make the most out of what they have better than a lot of the other stuff I've seen lately is by at least going what works best here. And how can we play into that in a way that at least sings immediately during the episode. Maybe. we can't really clinch the totality of it all. But even so, I thought they managed to bring it. I

like that they went against the big battle at the end because they brought it to a place from like for the size and scope that these five episodes can give us. I think that's actually a pretty striking way to do this and everything they bothered to include is great and my only note is just like great, go deeper, let it breathe more.

We definitely talked about the mysticism being something we were worried about the entire time and I wasn't bothered by it. I really was impressed that that like slow trickle and then episode four brought it a bit heavier and then five like it got you know mystic but it never felt overbearing yeah and like the wind they brought in the sound design

the mysticism isn't for isn't to deliver the mysticism isn't in service of a of a bigger batter punch right you know like it's the opposite it's to it tap into his spirit right hashtag powers yeah it is a weird viewing experience I'm gonna keep bringing it back to like

especially for our end yeah as people who have the camera pointer constantly when we're watching these things and are giving our opinions in the middle of the viewing experience and being aware of production things and yada yada yada

that we are also factoring in prior Marvel viewing experiences to this admittedly instead of just solely taking it on what it was like I don't know what the realm is of watching this without hearing

any I mean like you're like you don't need to this is one of those shows where the only thing you really need to see is Hawkeye even then they kind of did

even there you kind of yeah you have like a basic understanding of the MCU but you know like but because we've been watching

so much of this we tend into how it goes so much to the point that when the suit shows up you're like okay when she when's the big fight going to happen

at the carnival and then bam she's going to show up superhero landing and her suit we're going to have a big pose in the music

and the way they just introduced her like that I was so surprised by how simple yet more profound it actually was. It felt way more powerful. Yeah, more, there was more weight to it. So again, I got to give it to them that they knew how to make certain moments really count. And I feel like they were up against that challenge. I don't know who the filmmakers are. I can't tell you their names. I don't know what they look like. I don't

know who they are that made this series. But I certainly got that impression that they've constantly had to make that choice. In this episode, what do we make count? How do we make it count? I really think they were up against an editing obstacle here. I'm really curious who the official word of why this show was so bad was. Because years ago, we heard unreleasable. And then months ago, we heard, like, they're just kind of can it.

Then we were like, oh, delayed. This is so much better than a bunch of other shit we've seen. Not most, a lot of. The worst I could say is that, like, at times it's mid. You know It's a little rushed in it And it skimps a little on characterization Talking about the show as a whole

The finale is better than a lot of the finale Disney Plus is better Yeah, that's the thing It's like And that's the one we all are iffy on Episode 4 was better than a lot of Disney Plus stuff period hard stop And I kept hearing how bad this was

Hard disagree I don't understand Yeah Yeah Like look guys we get We've been I can't tell you what it's been What's happened with

The amount of times we've got in shit And people show up in my You know you know you're pissing off people when you're constantly getting like, oh, now my patrons are messaging me. Oh, now the, now the, now the, now I'm getting people hitting on social media about something I'm sort of on YouTube, you know. Yeah, when people cross platforms, you know you pissed them off. I'm going to leave this. I'm going to go over here. And that's never stopped us. We'll still be honest about it. So we're told we're hate or whatever. And I don't give a shit.

Like I was ready. The part of me was ready to rip into this if it really was bad. And instead I had a completely different viewing experience i like like i said it's in terms of like the episodes it's not like one of my fate i feel like it got better as it went this show like four was yeah i felt like the show just progressively got better as it went so i would probably stack it somewhere between like one and two um now i put it above two yeah i put this episode above two even though i think two this is definitely a better story it flows better moments of wait i liked a lot yeah this is like yeah the moments that worked really worked for me here. That visual was so cool and it definitely

felt like David Macart which is something I was looking forward to because he's an artist. I have a wall of his art in my place. You guys haven't seen it but I have a literal like David Max is one of my favorite artist in comics. It's the one around behind my door next to the comics. I've seen that. I've got a wall of David Macart so I was in your place. I know that but I mean it's behind the door I don't know if you were. I investigated every

inch. I have assessed but I have a wall of David Macart and I was really looking forward to some of those style choices he makes like he's a very visual storyteller. He's a painter he's a kabuki artist. And there was some of that here in really wonderful ways. Like the handprint is obviously the most obvious of the mirroring, but the way some of the linework moved felt like a painting

and the way the mirroring of all them through the echo felt like different paint palette colors and like different like style. It was really cool to see a comic that I think flows in a really painted way in a way that feels really unique, translate. And I got a lot out of that. And he was super hands-on with this project. Like I know to the point where Vincent Zanofrio's book, he wrote is illustrated by David Mack.

They became friends through this production. Like, he was very hands-on, and it showed for me. So from the behind-the-scenes statement of a comic person, this was really delightful. Yeah, you know, our job is just to keep being honest with ourselves. That's really what we do. It's just be honest with ourselves and then convey that. And, you know, like through the experiences of many of the Marvel Star Wars,

the two main IPs when it comes to there's been plenty of times like I'm enjoying a show and then yeah I see on social media some people are talking about it or some other videos or a little more negative on it and then what will happen is like sometimes

I don't I wouldn't say it influences it sometimes it'll put something into words of an issue I was having that I couldn't quite articulate in that articulate just like I can't articulate the word articulate articulate and so I would want so sometimes I would say I'm like yes that's what it is and and then I was then suddenly I'm seeing it a little bit more because now I'm like oh and now I see how to formulate a and I thought from everything I was seeing from echo I'm like okay is that what's going to happen with me now and it didn't I I knew my opinion really well on this prior and I normally do I knew my opinion on this pretty well and I thought like okay here's where my agreeance is going to come in with all them haters and yeah the worst i personally

feel is that at times the show is mid the times where i feel like it gets bad is when something is not breathing well enough but and and the writing i'm like oh it's a hard show to judge the writing when it's it's like been chopped and hacked but they they let enough important scenes breathe to where i would times be like good writing and the acting was just so goddamn good the acting i cannot get over, especially for me, the Henry guy, where he was acting with his body, his voice, and his ASL, I was so transfixed by all of his

acting. Like, all three of those modes were at 11. Grandma, for me, man. Oh, 100%. And that's the prevailing sense that I am feeling about this overall is, like, even if it doesn't get to fully reach the potential that it, you know, posits, it's clearly capable of.

More so than a lot of Marvel lately, I felt the care and attention that went into this. There was a fur there for sure yeah and just like the amount of of like true consideration and especially as we've touched upon like with the cultural element disney itself has perpetrated so many examples of like oh here's how to tack this on in a in a disingenuous way and here it really felt i liked your point about the powwow and the fact that you're cutting between the ceremony and also stuff that's happening in the barn and yeah you're using a set piece in a way you kind of expect to raise

and to use the, you know, lively colors and everything and all the noise, you know, to kind of, you know, raise the tension, but it doesn't play out the way you expect it to. And it does create this sort of hypnotic just moment where, yeah, like the plot shit's still happening, but you also get to live in the duality of the scene and of the culture and of the, you know, aura, the vibe. And it gives, it lends this sort of spiritual, just air to the, you know, sci-fi shit that's about to happen in the bar. Like, and it's one. And it's one of the, you know, it's one. And it's one. of those things that I don't think that you could have made a product as a final, you know, product as, you know, at all the things that this excels at. Without that care, I don't think it would have happened. And I feel tremendous amounts of care from all the craftsmanship on every creative level. We said that in the first episode a lot, too. We were, we were acknowledging the filmmaking in it being so strong. Like, it's clear that it wants to spend time in this place and making these characters an ensemble. And it's like, it gets, like, every aim it's, sets out to achieve. It gets part of the way there at least. And I got nothing against Oklahoma, but this is the most I ever wanted to go to Oklahoma. Like, I just never thought of it. Like, I'm, I've traveled as much as I can and I've never been like, you know, Oklahoma. And now I'm like,

you know, Oklahoma. May I briefly please explain this ending? Just because I think there are some of what I wanted you to get to. I got some video production to do. Okay, so, yeah, let's go. The ending, the post-credit scene, which is going to be something everybody's talking about, because that's how these things go. They look to the next thing. On the micro scale, I think, at minimum, Greg

is right with this leading into Daredevil. I do think that the new Daredevil show will have something to do with Mayor Fisk. Fisk has been mayor in the comics a number of times. He only recently was dethroned by Luke Cage. Currently, Luke Cage is mayor in the comic books, and he is working against Fisk's old jurisdiction. So basically, he's dealing with a last term leader, and he's trying to get through all of his bureaucracy and red tape. So in the current comic books, being a vigilante is illegal. Being a vigilante is illegal.

Anyone wears a mask legal. And there's a team of heroes that are government very property, basically. and Hawkeye leads a team of Thunderbolts trying to get that to be okay and to get, you know, people on the side of heroes again. That's, I think, the micro, I don't think the Daryl's going to have all that. I'm just saying, I think, Daredevil will be about it being illegal to be a hero, and that's starting to shift things, Fisk having power in New York, him getting the strong arm over the Hell's Kitchen, New York City. All of those elements, I think, are the small. On the macro, if they go hard, this could be Daredevil, Spider-Man, Spider-Man, 4, Thunderbolts, and leading to X-Men. This is 10-foil hat coin now.

I gave you a little one. This is big one. Now, this could be. I could see you going to Spider-Man. I definitely think it's going to Spider-Man. I see a factor in a Spider-Man way more than Thunderbolts. So I think we're getting at Thunderbolts to be a team that is bad guys that are not actually that bad that do something horrendous and realize they messed up.

And then they're revealed as villains to heroes. I think that'll be an element there. And I think it'd be great to have in the background, New York, have a villain as the leader and the heroes be seen as villains. That way you tie into those elements. So it might not be as directly as I think you're thinking I'm saying. But I think setting up the MCU to have. have a distrust to heroes leads to a world that hates and fears the X-Men.

Spider-Man 4, I think, needs to have something where the unmasking in Spider-Man 2 didn't land anything, because by the time we got to Spider-Man 3, they were like, he's hunted, no, he's not, no way home. And that's the one thing about No Way Home, I wish I could change, was it was originally supposed to be a Craven story. Originally Craven was supposed to be hunting Spider-Man because he revealed his identity and they get him to basically be on the run. I think Spider-Man 4 could be that again, where he's not with the Avengers, he doesn't

know any of them, Fisk is mayor, and this way you could tell that same story they wanted to, but on a smaller scale. Dale finally have the more friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, have Kingpin as a villain, which Dinoffrego has been very vocal about wanting, have Daredevil as a compatriot, but not in a really big way, so it still stays in a Spider-Man movie. And if all of that works, and that does tie in together, this is a great way to reboot the universe overall. Captain America 4, they're doing all these tons of reshoots.

I think that's going to be basically having the super soldier element that lands later on to Thunderbolts set up in a new way. And I think overall, having Mayor Fisk is how you do a more Emperor Palpatine Kang, where he is the thread that ties everything in together. He's a character that's overarching, but not in a way that needs a lot of screen time or a lot of explanation. Mayor Fiske is, I think, a genius move for a street level and higher leading a secret wars. I mean, there's one thing for sure he's playing Mayor Fisk. That's happening.

They made that abundantly clear. They said Mayor 18 times. We need someone that fights, someone that's brutal. I fight. I'm brutal. I should audition. Mayor. But I also like the different emotionality on his face.

That was interesting. Yeah, it was great. I mean, there's one thing I'm really happy about is just like Vincent DiNafrio. It's way better here than it wasn't a hot guy. That's for sure. And the ending they gave him is a very interesting direction because it wasn't like he just gets his ass whipped. And then he'll be ready to something. It's like he kind of runs away.

There's an opportunity to face the trauma. And yeah, it's like that was so. scary for him that he had to get away from her and that's a reasonable cause for him to not yeah just come back and be like well I'm gonna kill you again when I regroup you know like she can take

me out a different way entirely so I'm not even go mess with her and now he goes back to New York and he's like I'm a broken wounded animal like an animal in a corner is the scariest thing now he is again and that pain that he holds on to is one of the things that allows him to propel to the heights that he does

you know like some people It's that age-old thing about, like, tortured artists, you know, feeling like they need their pain in order to be a great artist. A great murderer. Are you torturing, John, for his art? Oh, he needs the pain. I can't. I'm just trying to have the pain-free. I'm trying to get the big-

I'll happily shed the-tortured artist line. I mean, I love everything's great. Optimist Prime over here. Autobots rollout. Last week, we made fun of Coy. Last episode we made fun of Coy. Now it's John's turn. If I could be happy, I would.

I'm John. I don't think he's E. Or a deep void of sadness exists within, and I keep throwing stuff into it. And I just did, you know, it chucks some things out. It swallows some things up. And when John denies is pain, I go, John should deal with your pain, man. He's like, nah, he's going to L.A. apartment and more white pain. And I go, oh, I go.

I logically understand. And the pain. It's the part of, like, I can assess it, I can acknowledge it, it's over there. You go. This is therapy talk

at the Roar Rejects after dark. Yeah. Yeah. Like taboo. Midnight taboo. Like the Tom Hardy show? No, no.

Oh, like the concept of something being taboo? No, the game. Oh, there's a game? Oh, with the face. Nope. That's not the game.

Oh, there's a game called taboo. I think it's got a little face, a little guy and he's like, it's like, don't say it, tapu? Is that not the game? Oh, is that the face of the All I thought you were saying, like, there's a...

All right, guys, what did you think about Echo? What do you think about taboo? Leave your thoughts down below. Rapper in the black-eyed people. Are you excited to see Echo join Avengers Secret Wars now? Sane powers aren't. This is what they did not really devids. He didn't get a grenade in the face.

To defeat Dr. Doom, she's going to be like, let's look at your trauma. Yeah. Can't hear your face, but I'll hear your trauma. Let's go to Platform 9 and 3 quarters and talk this out. She did learn quidditch. She's powerful I'm excited

But I believe her is still Like a street level With some embellishments Yeah they didn't go like big freaking finale Fight scene here Like it could have been that Yeah I'm glad it wasn't I could see her in Daredevil Netflix ask easy

When it subtly brings in the idea of like Faith healer You know Oh well people are still gonna do like overpowered Oh guaranteed Mary Sue She learned how to heal quickly That's not real

How did she get her powers She was born That is actually Yeah She had to unlock them over time And be empowered to understand what they even mean But how But she didn't do anything

To unlock them It's generational Traitorial montage There was her life The training montage was her life She didn't really do anything to unlock them That's fair She should have gone to kamartage

Like when Denzel Tenzel Why I say Denzel Training Degger devil Oh yes Hey I was watching some random video last late last night about like how Denzel and Tarantino didn't get along for many years and then they had to squash their

And apparently Denzel's been outspoken about it and I was like because at first I was just some like stupid gossip thing And then and then I was like oh what is it like a real thing? So it's kind of been in my mind like oh damn No wonder we never got Denzel and Tarantino worked together. Yeah is it Vendetta is it for the obvious reason or another reason? I'd assume no it very obviously a very different reason oh okay yeah anyway get to googling guys thank you to rock your money for sponsoring this video thank you to denzel for a squash in the beef of tarantino and for being awesome um do you guys think that uh mayor fisk is going to uh affect avenger secret wars like how coy is predicting hey listen to the page for the day shout out flev dorin flev dorin it is 2024 we have entered the year

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and promote all that while still doing wrestling full time because I don't sleep and then bam you just run across naked cheeks flapping and all

right in front of him and then what does he do it gives you the smackdown on your bottom and he's like and that's why I'm here to give you all the best ass smacking of a real cat of them all

I don't care what your name is. Turn that ass to the people. So Flev, man, you are going to be just the most popular name in all of wrestling. Once people identify like, who's that jackass running on television? Flev Doran, patron of the real rejects. Who's that ass running across? Don't worry, we're going to protect you, Bible censorship style. You're going to run.

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You're being a jerk. You're being a jerk, Fleth. Anyway, Flev, love you, buddy. We'll talk you soon. Peace.