The Reel Rejects - Ethan Hawke "TERRIFIED" The Black Phone 2 Cast! - Mason Thames & Madeleine McGraw Interview

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Starting point is 00:01:30 Dude, the realization. I like that. What's the funny? I like the intensive focus. Hi, nice to you, Maddie. Pleasure. Hell yeah. I need to play for 10 minutes. Dude, I just got like a burst of energy.

Starting point is 00:01:44 Yes. Motivation to keep going. I'm Coy Jandro here with The Real Reject, sitting down with two of my favorite young actors. I can say confidently two people I knew would be stars with the first one. So much. Crushed here.

Starting point is 00:01:56 Now, since we got a second film, we can start to look at the other big horror icons and put ourselves in this category. So growing up, Freddie, Jason, Jigsaw, who was our horror icon before the grabber? The Leprechaun. Nice. Respect. I love the leprechaun. It's crazy.

Starting point is 00:02:12 For me, I feel like a great and iconic one has got to be ghost face. It's such a real, like that could actually happen, so I feel like it's a lot more terrifying. Halloween kills. You know, Michael Myers, Jason. Freddie Krueger is such a terrifying one, though, because I feel like that is something that can actually linger with you and actually disturb you when you're sleeping. The thing is a great.

Starting point is 00:02:34 I think this is a lot about a person, like which things they're scared by. Like, it's like a horror shock test. It was kind of a joke. What did scare me? No, no, it scared the crap into me. No, I forgot. Like, six of them. It clearly works.

Starting point is 00:02:42 I know. It's like, clearly it was effective. That's crazy. Yeah, no, like, you got us. Now, you're in such different places this time around, and I love the growth of these characters. Often in sequels, it feels like, the audience expects the same character.

Starting point is 00:02:54 And that's not what happened after trauma and life happening. So I'd love to start with you, Madeline. The way you are so full of resolve and grit and there's this tenacity to you, do you think that came from the idea of your relationship with your mother, your experiences with Finn,

Starting point is 00:03:09 what did you use an actor to find that resolve and grit? You know, I felt it was a lot more challenging to find Gwen this time around because she is in such a different mental state. I feel like her grit is probably one of the things, the other thing is probably her relationship with Finney, but those are the two things that actually didn't, she didn't lose when going through all these traumatic experiences. And she's now, you know, getting bullied at school. She feels like more introverted. She feels like an

Starting point is 00:03:37 outcast. No one believes her. No one believes that these dreams were real. Everyone just thinks she's a freak. So putting myself in her shoes this time around was really interesting because I do feel like I am quite different from her in the second movie. I'm very social and extroverted. So we are quite opposite, but I have such a strong relationship with my siblings, and I care for them so deeply. So once again, like those two things that I feel like Gwen could really rely on. And I feel like her defiance and her grit is the one thing that really makes her Gwen. And I feel like the fact that that shows through in the second movie so much is, it's incredible to watch. And I'm glad that she never lost it.

Starting point is 00:04:15 I love it in the first, and to see the evolution. It's more powerful in the second one. Yeah. as a character. I feel like she is taking what happened to Finn and kind of feels like in some way it's her fault or she could have prevented it. So I feel like that gave her so much more anger

Starting point is 00:04:30 that all the anger that she has in the second movie for sure. And Mason, dude, we haven't talked since. I've seen the film and it is a transformation for you, man. I've seen you in so much stuff and there's this beautiful arc to your career, but this is the biggest left turn I've seen. There's this stoicism, this brokenness, and I think that is so much more natural

Starting point is 00:04:49 to the effect of what the first film would do. Where did you find that? And what was it like living in that headspace for you as a person what's cut happened? I mean, going into it, I didn't know where Finney would be. And then I read the script and, you know, I kind of didn't recognize him. He was lost and it kind of showed that at the end of the first movie

Starting point is 00:05:07 that the grabber won. He took away what Finney had, which was innocence, his kind of soul. And, you know, in this movie he's bottled it all up and he's very angry and confused. of it he doesn't want to deal with you know what happened he wants to forget about it and that's why he's you know out smoking weed at night trying to forget about everything because all he can see is is him in that basement

Starting point is 00:05:29 you know so sad yeah for me I feel like finding that headspace of trying to forget like I didn't I didn't watch the first movie again even though I was I first thought I was like oh yeah let's do that get back in the zone and I just thought it was a bad idea because Finney doesn't want to remember he doesn't remember what happened and what happened down to that basement and I think it was it was a lot of fun for me to find you know who he is now but also glimpses of who he was and Finney's journey and this is kind of he just wants to find peace and be left alone and just kind of find the humanity that the grabber took from him but yeah they're both such different performances

Starting point is 00:06:08 and both such elevations it's beautiful to see thank you so much I'm very glad you had that reaction and speaking of art and experience and evolution to me one of the great minds about art, not just as an actor, but like art, Ethan Hawke, the way he waxes poetic about art is so wonderful. It's like, I'll read it, like a model long. Meaning he's a dead poem. It's beautiful.

Starting point is 00:06:28 What was a moment that really struck you? What pearl of wisdom or what experience did you glean from like some of the art that is Ethan Hawke? He's kind of his professionalism, like the way he works on set. And when he snaps into character as the gravity, it's, man, it's terrifying to watch. And, you know, between scenes and stuff, he's just, just such a chill guy and the way he talks to everybody he's so sweet he holds himself with such grace I do I feel like actions speak louder than words and so seeing how he treats everyone on

Starting point is 00:06:56 set with such kindness and seeing his approach to the grabber it being such a different character for him it was just very inspiring and I feel like I learned so much from just listening to his conversations with Scott and seeing his reactions to things in the movie it was it was very very interesting and I feel like I learned so much just from being around him he started young and has obviously had this insane multi-decade career. But it always feels like he's taking left turns and he's finding like a new thing to excite him. I want to know with each of you,

Starting point is 00:07:26 since you started so young, like I was starting with Madeline, is there like a biopic you'd love to play? Is there a superhero? Is there something that you want, like a North Star? I mean, for sure, I have a lot of dream roles. I'd say one of them, I love stunts so much, so one of them would definitely be to play like Spider-Gwen

Starting point is 00:07:42 or some character like that. I'm such a big, like, Marvel fan as well. well and Spider-Man is literally one of my favorite superheroes. But also just like, I would love to dive more into coming-of-age stories, and I would love to be able to play teenagers that other teenagers can relate to, and things that real teens are struggling with, like mental health and anxiety and friendships, relationships,

Starting point is 00:08:06 and just family troubles and stuff like that. So I would love to play more characters that a lot more people can relate to or see themselves in. I think that's Spider-Gwen as well as many other things, It's such a badass! I love that you're like, or a thing, like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, also SpiderGline.

Starting point is 00:08:19 I'm just going to start the campaign. Like, number one, go, oh, my, it would be my literal dream. Like, I would die. But actually starting to the campaign right now, let's talk Dick Grayson, man. Let's talk Nightwing, let's talk Robin. What is it about the character that you love? What do you want to bring to him?

Starting point is 00:08:34 What do you think the Venn diagram of you and him is? Man, I think ever since I was a kid, it's always been, it's always been Robin. Like, I've always just, I've read a bunch of comic books about it. And every, I remember the first thing I watched was before, Dick Grayson was under the Red Hood and with Jason Todd and just that storyline broke my heart as a kid so I started watching so much more stuff getting into the

Starting point is 00:08:54 Lord with Jason Todd and then I started watching the original like Teen Titans before Teen Titans go and that's what got me into Dick Grayson yeah I think I was like maybe eight or nine and then I started getting a bunch of the comics my grandma go to the store bring him back and I just got so in deep with him and it's that character especially Dick Grayson is a is a character that means so much to me and if I ever got the chance to... Childhood dreams coming true. I see the vision, man.

Starting point is 00:09:21 I wouldn't say it. Like, I'm too invested in these characters to say it flippantly. Yeah, yeah. Like, I see the vision. Yeah, I love him so much. And what are the things you see as, like, his anchors? If we've got, like, you know, the grit

Starting point is 00:09:32 and we've got, like, what you just experienced, what do you see as, like, the archetypal things? What are the immutables to Dick Grayson to you? I think it's kind of his... He's a leader. You know, he's a leader, but he also... He's kind of what Batman, you know, always wanted to be.

Starting point is 00:09:47 You know, he's the best Robin, and he's also the best person to take up the mantle. And I think out of anybody, there's one thing in one comic book, the Batman said, where he was like, you've always, you would be a better Batman than I was. It's so, it's such an emotional story. Like, there's so much emotion to it.

Starting point is 00:10:02 And I think it was kind of a thing where, when he was Robin, he realized that he can't do this anymore. And sometimes he doesn't fully agree with what Bruce does, and he needs to go off and figure out how he can serve justice the best way he can and there's a blood haven and that ties beautiful into this and this art and his character now I know a lot of people probably ask about the cold and the setting and all those things but I have a different perspective on that please there's a

Starting point is 00:10:27 growth that this movie allows because it's a sequel you actually share one of my videos talking about the supernatural growth and how since it's anchored in your story there's that evolution there's also a physical growth to the setting that I imagine allows you as actors to kind of open up a bit like the basement's very confiding did you find there were moments when you're in an outdoor setting when you're playing this as an evolution, did this setting actually allow you to go bigger and open up differently?

Starting point is 00:10:49 In ways, I think definitely, you know, when you feel more immersed, it obviously helps with you getting into the character and feeling like you're actually... It's when you feel that cold. Yeah, dude, that cold, it gets to you. But feeling like you're actually experiencing what a character is going through,

Starting point is 00:11:03 I think is such a dream as an actor because that's probably the closest you can get to actually being them. But also, I feel like in ways the cold was also suffocating. Like, it kind of made us feel trick. because we were so trapped in this camp, we had no way of escaping.

Starting point is 00:11:18 And snow, honestly, it does that to you. It makes you feel like you can't get out. So I feel like that also had so many contributions to how our performances came across on screen. I think it helped a lot. In my first movie, like, it was during COVID, so I was locked in my hotel room the entire time. Lots of related to with that one.

Starting point is 00:11:35 The basement in this one, I kind of had the same idea going into it where it's, you know, just, I remember the day, of course I had like hand morpies and stuff, but I kind of wanted to just feel the cold be in it to, you know, feel what Finney's going through. And, yeah, I think that helped a lot. One day in the future, I want to talk spoilers to you guys, acting with Miguel in a very different way.

Starting point is 00:11:53 I was so impressed, and you both had very different relationships with him. Definitely. Incredible work. And truly, like, I love that first film. It got me back into horror. Like, I thought I was a horror fan. And Black Phone one got me back into the whole genre. That means so much.

Starting point is 00:12:07 Insane. Right there. Everything's bigger. Everything is going. I thought, I'm like, I'm not a horror guy. Black Phone was like, what? I'm being ignorant. And this followed up. So I really appreciate the sequel living up to it very high expectations.

Starting point is 00:12:17 You guys both crushed. That literally means the world. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Nightwing in the future. Yes.

The Reel Rejects - Ethan Hawke "TERRIFIED" The Black Phone 2 Cast! - Mason Thames & Madeleine McGraw Interview

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