The Reel Rejects - Every Superman Movie Ranked WORST to BEST (Including 2025!)

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

From Christopher Reeve to James Gunn's Superman! RANKING The Superman Movies! Become A Righteous Reject By grabbing our new Superman-themed merch: https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ All the movies discussed in this video Superman, Superman 2, Superman 3, Superman 4, Superman Returns (Brandon Routh), Man Of Steel (Henry Cavill), Batman V Superman, Zack Snyder's Justice League. Justice Leage (2017), & Superman 2025 (David Corenswet) Visit https://huel.com/rejects to get 15% off your order Superman Spoiler Review:    • SUPERMAN SPOILER REVIEW!! Post-Credits, En...   Superman Spoiler Talk (Live Stream): https://youtube.com/live/dOYnwWO8PP4 Ranking The Superman Actors:    • Superman Actors RANKED! Who’s the Best Man...   Superman Cameos:    • SUPERMAN 2025 | The Major Cameos & Surpris...   Greg Alba & Coy Jandreau (DC Studios) as they dive deep into the ultimate Superman movies ranking! From the classic Christopher Reeve era (Superman 1978, Superman II, Superman III, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace) to modern hits like Superman Returns (Brandon Routh), Man of Steel (Henry Cavill), Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition), Justice League (Theatrical & Zack Snyder's Cut), and the brand-new James Gunn Superman 2025 (David Corenswet, directed by James Gunn). We debate the best Superman portrayals, fight scenes, emotional arcs, and why Superman 2025 tops our list as the most comic-accurate film yet. Hear our hot takes on Lex Luthor depictions (Gene Hackman, Kevin Spacey, Jesse Eisenberg), Lois Lane chemistry, and how these films capture truth, justice, and hope. Whether you're a DC fan nostalgic for the Donner cut or hyped for the DCU reboot, this dialogue covers it all! What’s YOUR Superman movies ranking? Drop it in the comments! Like, subscribe, and hit the bell for more DC breakdowns, movie reactions, and superhero rankings. Follow Coy Jandreau:  Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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we are here to rank the Superman movies themselves. Now, this is different. You might have seen our ranking of the Superman actors, and like I stated in that video, the ranking of the actors is not reflective of the ranking

of the movies itself. And even here, I would say that for my personal ranking, I wouldn't even say like the ranking of the movies for me is like there's some spots. Maybe I can make this clear. Let me try. Is that this is more like a Superman movie to me, but I would actually put this other movie if we were just talking movies higher.

So it's within the category of Superman movies, not movie. Like, okay, for example, the Dark Knight, I think is a better movie. But if you're going to ask me a better Batman movie, I would say Batman begins. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. So specifically in the category of Superman movie. Yeah, into that. Exactly.

That's what we're going to do. That's what we're going to do. We're going to make this a little different than any other ranking type of video. We're just going to make it a little bit more of a dialogue and we'll have some fun with it. Do you want to do the original method of what I said we should do? Like, I'll go first and then you go first. Yeah. And I'll like give a little input, but I won't reveal my hand until my turn.

Yeah, yeah. So you give yours and I'll have a little sprinkle insight. Cool. Leave a like on this video. And oh my God, guys, we have, at this time, we have launched three new Superman. Sure. I know of two of them. The Krypton Sunscreen one?

Oh, Krypton's out. And then the, oh, there's an updated one of that. Cool. It looks great. The Gary one. Yeah. That's my personal favorite one. This next one's my favorite.

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Okay. In fact, I feel like you can kind of lump them in to like as one in a certain weird way. But Superman for the Quest for Peace with Christopher Reeve. What do you know about this movie? I know that it is famously one of the worst superhero films of all time. I know that at the time Christopher Reeve had not wanted to make more Superman films, and I get the sense you feel that. I know that, you know, he was trying to be out of the typecast, like this man was a

Juilliard trained actor that really stood up for the films of being in them, but there came a point where he stopped wanting to be that the only thing he did, and that was a real struggle for him. So I think this film probably suffers from that. He actually came back for it, and he was trying to get more creative control over the movie, but the studio kept kind of like hacking it and limiting the budget. Like, to give an example, the, like with the flying scene in the first Superman movie, it was like a six-month process. And this one, they cut it.

They condensed it down at the last minute to, like, less than a month, I think, for them to get the flying effects now. So there's like this terrible sequence where it's just this awful green screen loop. Then you could just tell. And it's really hindered by it. And this is the one that I feel like I should be able to just watch it for how, like, it's so. bad it's fun but I don't feel that the way how some people feel about Batman and Robin of like oh it's so bad it's fun I don't actually feel about it I get like annoyed when I watch that movie and that's the same way I feel with this I actually get like really annoyed the one merit that I like is the

intention of Superman is he's he's stepping in he's like I'm going to be an actual citizen of earth and I'm going to stop all nuclear weapons that's how you get nuclear man an amazing slow motion fight on the moon that doesn't make sound or why they're in slow motion, but it's this weird. Anyway, so it's the bottom. It's notoriously usually people's bottom. And for me, yeah, I just, I don't enjoy the experience of watching it in general. And then another obvious one would have to be Superman Thress, Superman 3 or Christopher Reeve. Now, this one actually has an element that I, uh, I kind of enjoy, which is, um, because Superman, he develops a bit of a split personality where he starts going to the dark side, sleeps around, gets drunk.

And then his personality divides where it's like, he's a duality. It's my favorite word, it's a duality of man and having to come to terms with himself. And there's this, like, interesting battle between him and Clark Kent. I think if my memory serves correctly, it was like in like garbage dump place for cars. What are those supposed to call the camera? A junkyard? A junkyard. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Car junk yard. It's like a yard of junk. I'm good like that. Yeah, so that's where it takes place. But that's like a one merit to it. And that's reflected in some Golden Age comics. And as recently as the early 90s, late 90s, they did a blue and red thing.

You know what Superman blue? No, what's that? So Superman, his powers evolve and he becomes like a being of pure energy. And it splits into two. So there's a red Superman and a blue Superman, but they're like pure kinetic energy. So there's two Superman. So I always thought that was kind of a mirror to the Richard Pryor Superman, post Richard Pryor, Superman split.

Yeah, yeah, and you're saying the name Richard, and this one is more of a, this is Richard Lester who directed it. Richard, probably the comedian, the second one. I'm talking about Dick, Dick Donner's the director of the first two, right? Richard Donner directed the first one, and then 75% of the second one, and then Lester stepped in to finish the second one. Okay. And then he completely directed the third one.

And his sensibilities are much more of what Superman 3 is, like a wacky, time and this is when it veers into like buffoonery cartoonishness like and this is richard prior this is the richard prior one okay got it from director richard lesser richard prior has said like this a terrible movie and i felt like this one was setting up brainiac or they were trying to go in that direction but this is undoubtedly when like okay there's no hope for the christopher reeferanchise anymore was this one um but yeah that's uh bottom two for me the next one here i know you know this one coy superman returns I would actually put this, uh, yeah, third to the bottom.

What, I don't know, how many are there? One, two, three, ten. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Superman returns. I actually think this is a better made movie than some of, than, than a couple of other movies here. I think this is a better made movie, a more complete movie. But I, uh, I do kind of, uh, check out when I watch it. I do kind of get a little bit bored when I watch it.

I think Brandon Routh is a, uh, totally passable Superman, even though it just seems like he's trying to be Christopher Reeve instead of I think that was the direction too. Like they tried to make this as Superman 3. Exactly. They wanted to be because they wanted to disregard Superman 3 and 4 and do a sequel to Superman 2 theatrical cut, I believe, not the Dick Donner version. And it feels hampered by that. Like it just feels like it wants to be the Christopher Reeve movie, but it doesn't even really feel like it's trying to be an inspiration of the comics or do something that much new. Yeah. And it's got a bit of a weird conflicting vibe

because it's trying to be like a retro future. They're also adding the kid element, which did not work. And that part's weird and creepy to me. Because that's not Superman at all. Like he's just abandoned his child. Well, let me tell you why that's creepy. Have you guys seen Superman Returns? Brandon Ralph's one, 2006.

In 2006. Okay, so it's revealed that, like, Lois Lane's kid is actually Superman's kid. Yeah. And in watching Superman movies over the years, I had this very suspicious. I just thought to pop up. At the end of Superman 2, this is when they hook up, Lois Lane and Clark.

But at the end of Superman 2, Lois' memory gets wiped that she knows who Clark Kent is, that their whole romantic history happened. And then if this is supposed to be the sequel to Superman 2, and then she just has a kid who is obviously Superman's kid, but she has no recollection of sleeping or hooking up with Superman. And they never acknowledge this. So it's like, does she suddenly remember? Don't like any of that.

I don't remember that element. Yeah, it's really weird. I haven't seen it since 06. I mean, Superman has this ability and in Superman 2, and I think he does it in 3-2 where he can like kiss someone and their memory goes away. I think he does it to lowest twice.

It's an ability that my wife wishes she had on me. I remember none of this creepy power set or that plot line, but it's been 20 years. It's not acknowledged in Superman returns. That's what happened. Oh, I see. And Superman 2 is when it happened. Got it. Superman, too, her memory gets wiped of them hooking up and stuff. And that she's supposed to be pregnant from the events of Superman too. Right. That makes it the spiritual sequel that is a literal sequel, which doesn't work.

This isn't you're coming to question of, wait a minute, how am I having Superman's kid? I don't understand what happened here. Love none of that. Yeah. And the movie itself, I also remember being like, yeah, yeah, the real life moments. But the movie itself also has elements of trying to mirror real life of our time. but also mirroring Superman 2. Yeah. Like I remember the, the whole land thing kind of mirroring Lexon 1, but it didn't really work how they had the like the Krypton meteor.

Like it felt disjointed of trying to be a modern film and a sequel to a 1980 film. A thousand percent. And I just remember that being up, but I'll talk about it in mine more. Yeah, of course, of course. Next on my list,

uh, number four, I mean, 10, 9, 8, 7. I would actually put Joss Whedon's Justice League. Okay. I think this movie,

is it's a mess it got worse after watching Zach Snyder's Justice League I remember watching it being like you know what I had a fun time with it and I still think there's a lot of fun to actually be had when you watch it when you can disregard just how

choppy and messy and weird it is and it's very obviously studio Mendel than whatever I actually don't get bothered by the Superman mustache thing we'll talk about that on my list because I do like I have a problem I've messaged

there's actual messages we could screenshot where I'm being or like because for thumbnails sometimes I'll pull images from Google yeah and the people will be like why are you using an AI image and I'm like I can't tell the difference and I'm like showing there's one move I remember with Spider-Man I was like wait look I have this one here and this one here which one's AI and I'm like how is this one AI and this one's not AI I'm like having it's like okay I'll swap it out but I just can't tell the difference some people have face blindness Greg has AI blindness so when it comes to Henry Cabell's mustache I didn't notice what

It's a gift. I actually didn't. People said they noticed it in the beginning. All I could see. Couldn't see it. Wow. Yeah. What if that must make a lot of movies better.

It made Justice League better because in the opening when he's like, when he's got like a tape over his mouth half the time because it's like, that's crazy. And it feels traditionally Superman. I like the cornyness when he shows up at the end. He's like, what is the line of? I'm a fan of justice or something like that. I forget what he says. And then the whole thing with wanting to race again.

I like the flash scene. That's the one redeeming. That's the biggest redemption of the film for me. Yeah. Flash scene. I think it's, I think Henry Cavill is weirdly having fun filming that.

Yeah, I agree. I think that, but that doesn't make the film work. But I agree that is a funness of it. It's the, it is the Saturday morning cartoon enjoyability that I have with it.

Even though I could watch it and be like, this is definitely not a good movie. So this is where they start getting good for you. Seven, I mean, this is where starts getting enjoyed. enjoyable fun for me that's the thing is like i think superman returns is a much more comprehensively made movie but i think superman i think justice league i i have more fun watching

um and next on the list i would put superman to the theatrical version just disclaimer i don't have the donner cut on i just don't remember it well enough i know i've seen it but i just i really don't remember it well enough uh but the theatrical version of superman too it's one of those were when i was a kid i remember being a lot of fun that's when And you get the follow-up with Zod, Ursa, and then the third Kryptonian back. Who's the third one in that group? Nice in Superman, too. But there's just like a common third person.

Anyway, yeah, I like the performances there, and it's fun. I like the relationship with him and Lois in that one, even the exploration of the relationship. I like the cheese, but the, have you seen the clip of like the Phantom Superman symbol? The sigil that gets a new power, yep, it's ridiculous. this um but when i when you do watch it or at least what i do and some people prefer this one over this the first superman movie but when i watch it i i i don't ever watch it on its own i watch it after i watch the first superman movie and it does feel like it is at odds with itself weirdly i think with weedin's movie uh it is it somehow feels like a weird weeden movie to me

yeah they edited somehow magically enough to make it feel like it it kind of knows what it is Whereas, like, Super, the intention, and this Superman, too, is to me, the, uh, the much older version of what, like, the Justice League dilemma ends up being, yeah. Because Richard Lester, in order for him to get the directing credit, you have to direct 51% of the movies. So what they did was they reshot some of the scenes. Like 26% or something. Yeah. And then they shot the rest. And you could, when I was a kid, I couldn't notice. Yeah. But as an adult I now notice. And, uh, it does hamper the experience for me. And admittedly, I actually do have more fun watching Justice League than I do Super Bowl.

too, but it is one of those where my intellectual side resonates with my emotional side when watching Superman, too, I'm like, nah, I would definitely rank this above. I think you might enjoy that one. Now, we're really hopping in a terrain that for movies you definitely know. Five. Yep, thanks, I got Batman v. Superman the Ultimate Edition. So far, we have two of the same, but I'll reveal mine. Really?

Yep. All right, cool. I was not a fan of the theatrical code of Batman v. Superman. I really ripped on it. And when it came to the ultimate edition, I watched it in the lead-up to Zach Snyder's Justice League when the marketing was happening. And I watched the ultimate edition,

and I had the Danny DeVito, it's always sunny in Philadelphia meme moment. Like, I get it. And I was enamored with it. And I do think it does a really, like I'm going off memory here because I haven't rewatched any of these in a while. but I do recall like actually understanding the Martha moment.

I think a lot of people still bag on that and even people who really like the BVS Ultimate Edition are still like with that Martha moment scene. But in rewatch of it, in the ultimate edition, I went, yeah, it makes sense that he would, he's not going to say save my mom, he's going to say save Martha, so he knows how to find Martha.

I think you can understand the fundamentals of why and still think it's a poorly written moment. I think it actually weirdly makes sense to me. Yeah. It works for me. And I do think there are, I, I don't know if I like the ultimate edition more than Man of Steel as a movie. I probably do. But in terms of a Superman movie, the thing with this is definitely feels more of a Batman movie.

And that's, it's first, I mean, Batman versus Superman. Yeah, alphabetical and also. It definitely feels much more of a Batman movie to me. And I like, I thought, I thought to use Batman to be the. deconstruction of Superman to put it through this lens. I thought was pretty cool. And it's actually kind of cool in retrospect when you're looking at, you know, after reading Lex Luthor Man of Steel, thanks for the recommendation. After watching the Superman 2025 version, now we're seeing Bruce Wayne be that POV. Yeah. And I appreciated in retrospect, like actually seeing it through that lens of

the deconstruction there where I feel like it's probably more applicable and appropriate versus doing it in a Man of Steel. And yeah, I mean, the fight. is the part that does kind of hamper the experience to be as I'm not a big fan of the I'm weirdly I'll defend the Martha moment but I'm not a big fan of the fight they have the last fight they're the fight with Batman and Superman oh the in the the logic gets in my yeah I really get in my own way and you know I understand Superman's probably holding back or something but I keep going to your mom's about to die like come on you know so that part I actually don't get past so that's just my opinion looking forward to hearing more your thoughts

on that. Number four, Zach Snyder's Justice League. Even though he's not really, I think this is the best one of the Snyder movies. Even though he's not really in this one, a lot of the movie is about getting to Superman and I felt actually connected to his arc in this one.

And that's why I would put it there. Okay. Because like I said, like it's my favorite of the Snyder films, but his arc in this one, like I even weirdly, I don't really feel like a connection with him and Amy Adams, but I bought it in the Snyder cut version. Okay. And I do find, like when he shows up at the Steppenwolf scene, it is such a moment. It is such like a fuck yeah moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's huge. And I don't get that in BVS.

All right. And, you know, Man O'Sill is next on my list, though. and I think this is a movie that I have appreciated more and more upon rewatch and it's cool how this movie actually deals with similar themes as Superman 2025 but it takes more of the quote unquote realistic I love when people say that

this is the realistic I'm like no it's not it's not fucking realistic it's Superman but I like some of the again it's like it's cool I even appreciate having it more now that we have the Superman 2025 version where you do have a Jonathan Kent who is like I don't really know

know what to do about this. I want to protect him, but I'm also kind of like shaming him without realizing I'm shaming him. Like the thing that people get up in arms about. The tornado moment. But I actually understand it from this. In his mind, he's trying to protect Clark in that moment, even though logic can intercept like, well, Clark can still sweep in that guy. Pretty quick guy. He's a quick guy. He's a quick guy. But yeah, I didn't love it when I first saw it, but I've definitely grown really fond of it. And it does have my favorite fight scene of all of the Superman movies, which is the fight in Smallville. Like that is such an anime moment to me.

The way all that's down, that to me is when Zach Snyder's action sequences, I like it more than the metropolis fight scene. And the whole thing was like trying to fly away and he pulls his cape down. Like those really stood out to me. The visuals and Man of Steel are some of the best. Like the visual, like the sheer energy of the frame that Zach Snyder captures, Man of Steel is so special. And so many times.

I agree. The flying. Yeah. First flight is so, it is like one of those moments that you can. watched us that clip and have so much like emotion towards and it's just a clip and it's one of those that i i don't i really didn't connect with it as much the first time i watched it like on an emotional level it was more like i appreciate a lot intellectually but i don't emotionally connect with it i understood more of the depth on rewatch and more of like the the the emotion underneath the

stoicism uh on a rewatch but yeah it would ultimately be uh number three for me okay number two number one are obvious. I'll make a quick Superman, Christopher Reeves, number two. Might not have been obvious to people. That was the big two. He's a perfect embodiment of Superman in so many ways. We wouldn't have any of the superhero genre today if it wasn't for him. And

he mastered the art of being Clark and being Superman. And he is just so traditionally what we know as Superman. And I, like I don't, I'm not a big fan of Lex in those movies. Yeah. I

I don't think he, some people really like the charm and charisma of Gene Hackman. I don't find him threatening. I'm not as connected to the, this might sound like sacrilege, some people. I'm not a big fan of the, they have chemistry, him and Lois, but Margo Kidder. Yep. But I'm not particularly drawn to it. Sure. It's really, to me, it's Christopher.

Yeah. And then some scenes with him. You know? Like if I was doing just the movies, I actually wouldn't put it as high. But as a Superman movie. But as a Superman movie, for sure. Yeah. And then we've talked about this one to death.

It is Superman 2025. It is my personal favorite one. And we don't need it like. Rehash why? Rehash why. I know I've been talking a lot of more used to listening. You talk longer than me. This is funny to watch you squirm a little.

Oh, my God. Yeah. This is a lot of talking. And it is hot in here. Coy, what is your ranking? All right. You want to open that door? We can open that door.

This is very free flow with this episode. It is amazing hot in here. All right. We are going to do my in order of Superman movie. not what is the best movie, but what is the best for Superman movie. Very important asterix. But before we get to my seven, because I need to explain why it's seven, not ten, you lovelies, I am a comic book correspondent, I am a comic book historian.

I am someone that watches all of these movies for work. But in 1978, when I was negative 10 years old, I did not see Superman until a few years ago. And I loved that because I made it special. I grew up watching the X-Men movies, the Sam Ramey movies. To me, Blade is the Christopher Reeve Superman. because, like, in my generation, 1998 was the 1978. Like, I give my flowers to Christopher Reeve because, my God. But I didn't watch that movie growing up.

I just didn't have exposure to it. When I saw Blade when I was 10 years old, that was like, oh, my God, they'd make a comic movie. So I didn't need to go back and watch Superman until I wanted to make it a special occasion. So I started loving Superman in a new way in my late 20s going into my 30s, which kind of like tickled the interest of watching Superman. So when I talk about Superman, it's coming from the perspective of, someone that watched it as an adult that didn't have the childhood nostalgia for it, which I think is important.

That's a very different experience than someone that grew up with it and had that longing and attachment. As such, I have never seen either cut of Superman, too, because I want to watch it in theaters. I've never had the opportunity to watch these classic films in theaters because I react to the first Superman. So when I get to see the Dick Donner cut in theaters, then I'm going to go back and watch the regular cut because I don't want to have the judgment without the nostalgia. I want to be able to see what people consider the best cut. then I'll watch three and four casually, but haven't seen Superman treat. To really quickly interject, the Dutner Cut is still like not a complete movie because he didn't shoot 25% of it

and he didn't want to use any of Richard Lester's footage. So it's like a 70% movie. So it's still like a little weird. I'm going to have a time in theaters. But they do play it in theaters occasionally. So I'm hoping to see three, I mean two in theaters and then I'll watch three and four. Maybe I'll react to three and four. But have not seen two, three and four.

So I can't place those. That's not fair. So I'm going to start with number seven. Number seven for me, the Superman film that I think is my least. connected is going to be the Justice League. The Justice League film, I do think does the best it can to make a movie together, but

that doesn't really connect you to Superman, because what Superman is to me is his human side more than his alien side. And I do think the Justice League does find that human side more than some of the other ones that are higher on my list, but it kind of feels like it's like pushing that through, and then

the rest doesn't feel like that. It feels like a course correction. Yeah, like there's a lot of bumps. Like, I like this scene. I like this scene. I like this scene. And then for me, I'm such a CGI notice or whatever that term would be. So anytime he talks to that mustache, I'm just like, what a strange texture. Like, it's so distracting.

There's like a bad anime dub of the lips because I'm like, that's not a human mouth. That's really distracting. But the flash scene is so special. There are elements of this film that I think are slept on. I would argue that this film is actually underappreciated compared to

the average comic film. Doesn't make it higher than seven, though. So there are moments, but it's not better than these next six. Any thoughts? No, I've said my thoughts. You said your thoughts. So this will be monologuing. All right, number six.

I will ask you questions from time to time when it naturally appears. But I will just go until I'm hearing. I'm just letting the cool air calm the sweat down before the sweat before the sweat pores appear through my armpits. It was so funny to see you become the me monologuing and just halfway through, be like, this is exhausting the way that I was had prepared for. I'm just like, it's so hot in here and I'm aware your parents are here. and it's like, frugging boy. I'll just go until stopped.

Number six, I personally had a lot of the same problems you had with Superman Returns and some more. Superman Returns was my first theatricals Superman film. Really? Yeah, I had no exposure to a theatrical.

Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, because I didn't see the original, so that was the first one, and I was obsessed with Smallville. I grew up watching Smallville and loving Smallville. Smallville attached the human element to Clark maybe more than any other

until we get to my later ones. It made the human, character by not having Superman in at all. The last frame of Smallville is the only moment of Superman. It's a show about Smallville. So when I went from being like, oh, this character with all these powers that I really connect to, he's got teen angst. He's trying to figure out dating. That was my like one tree hill, my Dawson's Creek. I didn't watch any of those shows because I had Smallville. I didn't have a teen angst show. I didn't watch Gilmore Girls. I didn't watch. I've still never seen most of that generation thing because to me I had the teen angst show in a comic show and it was so

special. So when Superman returns came out, I was like, I feel less connection than ever. And it actually might have taken me out of being able to enjoy other Superman media. This film I actually feels like deterred me from diving deeper into Superman comics for those formative years, which was interesting because I was a bigger Superman fan as a young kid and then rediscovered Superman as the world got cynical, whether it was the internet, whether it was being more plugged into politics, whether it was being too exposed to people. As I feel like the world has gotten worse, I've needed Superman. So I've grown back into the character. But I think Superman Returns made him so apathetic to me that I was like, well, I don't know what it's been in time.

So I love that I've rediscovered him, but this movie hurt my take of him. I remember thinking that Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor was captivating. I remember thinking he was an interesting villain. But I remember thinking like, I don't know if I believe a man is truth, justice, and ultimate good if he left a kid behind. He doesn't seem to have a lot of chemistry with Lois. and like, I love Lois and Clark in the comics, especially the death of Superman, which I loved at the time.

So I remember this film being like a bummer, but I loved the plane scene. And I remember thinking that visually, they captured a lot of like wonderful alien melancholy, which I cannot give number seven to. I don't have a lot of images in Justice League. I just have the flash race and those bumps we talked about. So it just barely edges out to number six.

Did you see Superman returns in 3D? I saw it every way because I worked to the theater at the time. So I watched it a lot. I do is it. I remember that it, they had a cue to put. your 3D glasses. Yeah,

it wasn't always. It was moment to moment. Strange. It was like two scenes. And working that theater was so exhausting because it was glasses everywhere. It didn't help my life for.

So yeah, number six. Number five is where things start to get like a little interesting because I feel like six and seven are fair for everyone to kind of just feel with that. But BVS ultimate edition

is by number five. Okay. I like this markedly more than BVS, the regular edition. I think BVS regular edition would be maybe my number eight. I did not connect to that film the first time I saw.

The Ultimate Edition gave me a little bit more of a connection to Lex, which helped inform my connection to Superman in that film. But I did not, again, connect to the human element of Henry Cavill's portrayal in Man of Steel or the original BVS. Can I interrupt really quick? Lex in that movie. What's your thoughts on him? I liked the concept of the swing more than the execution. I think it was a really clever idea to modernize Lex Luthor by playing with tech bro concepts. I think making him this manic San Francisco always trying to.

your next quarter, always trying to like, there's a lack of humanity that comes in capitalism, and there's a lack of humanity that comes in corporations. When you're always looking at your stockholders share, you're always trying to have growth, even at the cost of humanity, because you're seeing people as numbers. So I thought it was a really clever thing to mix Lex Luthor's inhumanity about a company and making him a tech bro in this tech boom of new internet. I saw that one to one, but I didn't feel the idea as much as I liked the idea. So Lex Luthor as a concept, I think was genius. Lex Luthor in execution, I think. thought was awful. Even in the ultimate.

Even in the ultimate. The ultimate was better. Ultimate made it watchable. But I felt in the original, I was like, okay, I got the note you're playing, but man, do I not like how it sounds. That's my hot take is I actually love Jesse Asmerks. Well, I wonder if I would love it now because I didn't grow up on Smallville,

which a lot of people consider Rosenbaum, like the pinnacle depiction of Lex Luther. And I didn't read Superman comics at the time. So I didn't really have much other than like Gene Hackman and Kevin Spacey. to go off. Yeah. So my, I actually didn't mind him and I thought, uh, I thought he was clever and like that when he does eventually have like Superman on the rooftop with the photos of Martha. I'm like, oh, I like how he pulled some strings, the machinations he did. And, uh, the, I felt the, uh, the fury of a scorn child

underneath. Sure. They captured that certainly. Yeah, I like, I like the swing. Um, but I know that is not a common opinion. I was never threatened by Lex Luthor. I always felt like you could just kind of like hold your hand out while he swings it. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's not very threatening. And so I think Lex Luthor needs to be malicious in a way that's terrifying. And that's the opposite.

So I didn't really connect there. And I like Jesse Eisenberg a lot, which made it harder because I was excited about the prospect. Also, him having hair the whole time is not acceptable. What about the Trinity fight? It's cool visually. Like to me, it's like it's got some, but the stakes don't feel real because I don't feel threatened. So the movie itself, I didn't love, you know, the running pee joke. I thought that it was trying to, it insists upon itself.

And also the actual thesis of the film, I love the idea of a deconstruction of Superman being a reflection on Batman. But when you start your trilogy with deconstruction on Superman, you never constructed anything to deconstruct. So when you deconstruct a deconstruction, you're just playing with mud. So I'm watching a film wherein Batman is supposed to be this mirror. we just met him he's supposed to be the other side of Superman but you made a dark and brooding Superman so do you just dark and broodier at what point are we just hot topic catalog masturbating like so the film itself didn't ever get to be this dichotomy it always kind of just cycled around darkness and that's the world sure but i think cynicism doesn't have a place to go if you can only go deeper

into your own self-absorption and that's what i felt like they did with the two um that's why i put bvs lower because yeah i would agree like i thought it kind of weaken on the fact of not really showing the complete opposite of Batman. Yeah. Like, oh, let's elevate Superman's good. And that would have been the time. And that would have been the time to do that, especially when Batman's adopting the perspective of like, look at all the deaths that happened because of Superman. And the Frank Miller, Batman, it is logical.

There's a, there's a canon story that does work to have these two fight, even though logically we both struggle. Like, the logic of Batman even being able to fight Superman doesn't work unless you've got the best possible story, which I love Frank Miller. story. But without that, it feels like a straw man argument. And the whole movie, I love the visuals. I love the stakes. I think Henry Cavill had so much potential. I think there's, and that's here. You feel that. I think Ben Affleck is up there with Andrew Garfield as like what could have been. Like to me, Andrew Garfield and Bruce Wayne, like people talk about time travel casting. I would just go and watch those guys in alternate universes of those characters because they're perfect. And I think Henry Cavill is the same. So I think a big reason BVS, the regular version and the ultimate

addition struggles for me is the potential. I think the only thing worse than a movie not working is seeing all of the ways it could have worked. So this film is pure potential, pure hope for good, but the movie doesn't have hope in itself to me. I don't feel that hope. The Martha moment I don't think is as bad as people say because there is some new ones to it. Like what is going to make someone feel a shared humanity more than their mother? What's going to connect people more? And of course you wouldn't say mom. He'd say mother. Those aren't my issues. My issues are that it doesn't get to a point where that climax feels deserved or feels like a logical arc to land there.

So it just feels like we need to have this, like it's a, it's a DASS Machinamos where it's like we need a thing for them to change and that's and I was like a waste for me. And I and you know comics written in the 30s and 40s there was less names used. Martha does work and what are the chances but overall the movie just feels like a bunch of really interesting ideas and a really interesting concepts that don't fit the puzzle together well. Sure, sure. So that's my BBS.

Man of Steel, number four. Man of Steel, I've said a lot about BVS and some of those things tie in, so I'll be a little quicker on Man of Steel, but I love Superman now. I loved Superman as a kid. When Man of Steel came out, I had a lot of hope to rediscover my love of Superman. I went into this film in 2013 coming off of a insane love for Dark Night and Batman begins. Like my, that trilogy is arguably why I got into commenting on Marvel movies. Like, I love the Dark Knight trilogy so much. So going into this after Watchman, one of my favorite comic book movies at the time, and even to this day, like top 30.

I love Watchman. Oh, dude, Watchman, I think is, I think the end of Watchman is actually a really cool use of subverting expectations using the media. So the way how the Snyder cult or whatever the hell people call them, the way people feel about how he, for that is how you feel about watching. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. My, like, release the book. Watchman. Like, I think Watchman, I love that it's 90% frame for frame accurate, and then the end is like, because then comic fans get something new. And I think in the medium, we weren't at the time ready culturally. I think by the time we got to the HBO show, you can do the squid, but I don't think culturally you could have done it at the time.

So I think Zach Snyder's Watchman is so near perfect and amazing. So I'm coming out of the Dark Night Nolan's producing a Superman movie with the guy that made Watchman. I'm coming into Man of Steel, like I'm finally going to just feel like I'm part of the Superman club. I see Man of Steel. And I go, like, but where's the guy I like? And I think Superman is a character that you can focus on his alien side or his human side in a first time story.

You can obviously play with levels. You can do like, you know, 7030. You can dive in in the next film into the other side. You can invest more in alien after you establish humanity. But I think the choice to start with an alien character is simply not what I would do. So I couldn't find my way in. I couldn't find my end of the character because I get the idea of alienation. the idea of feeling lonely. I think Superman has those elements, but it never turns into vengeance.

Superman would never for a second let anyone get hurt. Superman would never for a second consider his rage more important than saving someone. So like when he takes revenge on the truck, when you know what I'm going to talk about? There's so many times. Okay. It's kind of the movie. Like to me, when I think of the film, I think of an angry Clark. Does he punish anyone though? He kills Zod, which is the big thing people have a problem with. And you? Yeah. Oh, you do. Okay. Yeah, because Superman's whole thing is he needs to be everywhere at once. He needs to find a way to do the right thing.

And the first time we meet him, he chooses the wrong thing. Hmm. I didn't mind it. A lot of people don't. And again, to me, it's one of the best else world movies of all time, only in my opinion of what an else world is. When you read an else world, it's a choice to take a character in a different direction. I see that as someone else's take.

I think it's an incredibly made film, and I have a lot of respect for the film. But if it's not how I see Superman, I can never fully connect to. it. So Man of Steel, him killing Zod, him not helping or trying to evacuate people. You don't see him save people. You see him hurt people. It's a film about fighting. It's a film about offense. Superman is a defense. Superman, the Uber Mench concept is offense. Superman is meant to evolve out of Uber Minge. Superman when he was first written by Schuster and Siegel was meant to be a vengeful figure and they evolved the character out of the Uber Mench. Then the most prolific version of the character for the 2010s was back to that vengeance.

And so if you've got a character that's meant to represent the literal idea of aspiration, if you're looking up at the sun, the sun gives us warmth, the sun gives us hope in the spring, the sun brings us out of the cold, if the figurehead that is the sun, that gets his power from the sun, that is our sun is killing, that's not Superman. That's the Uber Minch. And so when I watch something that is meant to be the start of something and it cuts my Achilles tendons at the jump, I'm not running with it. So the movie itself, I think, like, killing Paw Kent by apathy, by having choices in the film did not have Lois and Clark have a relationship. They, like, share a bath and it's ice cold. Like, that should have been steaming. Should have felt something. Instead, I was like, man, these cousins shouldn't be boned.

Like, there's just nothing. And I wanted to love it because I really respect Zach Snyder. I really think what him and Deborah were building was special. I really love that Nolan had so much faith. And I think visually it's incredible. but I think unless you connect to that feeling of loneliness and it's worth the cost of that

in the film, it's not going to connect to you. But I also think that's why people that identify with it so much don't understand why people like me don't understand and they turn aggressive. It's because they feel it so much. They're so passionate that when someone says,

hey, not for me, but I love that you love it, they see it as a slight against themselves because it's so personal. So like people that don't have anything when they have one thing, it's everything. And I think a lot of people have really identified

with being lonely and having nothing. But since I didn't, I think it personally offends people. So I love that Man of Steel exists for people that see the character that way. But to me, Superman is always going to be about aspiration, not about ever letting any harm fall to anyone.

He's not someone that punches first. So Man of Steel is an incredible film. I will not regurgitate a bunch of debates. This is your ranking. And I respect it. I respect it. Those are my thoughts on it. And Man of Steel,

I really think, is a special, passionate fan base that has made talking about it feel like a high wire act and that's the last thing Superman would want sure sure it's the irony of it

I love the Kryptonian opening scene I think it's beautiful man I actually connect kind of more with that emotionally than other scenes because it's a Krypton film it's not it's not about his relationship to Earth it's about him never connecting

to his relationship with Krypton I don't find that the interesting version of the story. I guess the part where it does kind of hamper, because it is so focused on his personal mission, the part where I felt like there's a bit of a disconnect is, I understand like, what is my purpose? Oh, I'm going to go to church and all these things, you know, like, what, what am I doing here as an alien on Earth? But I never really got the feeling that he art into, I want to be a helper for humanity. Even after three movies for me. That's fair. And that's, that's the character.

From, that's the character at the start, though. Even in BVS, he's like, why am I doing this? Yeah. To me, the character is born imbued with those instincts from Mon Paquent. Instead, Mon Paquent don't feel like they ever tell them. They tell them, like, hide everything, son. Be embarrassed by your powers. And then they kill Jimmy off screen.

What is that? Superman is about family and connection. To me and why I struggle is the choice to make Superman about alienation as an alien is the opposite about making someone that feels like. like they don't belong, belong. Superman is connection. So to disconnect him, I can't find that.

That's not the character to me. That's fair. Which brings us into the Snyder cut. That is my number three. To me, this is the beginning of me actually feeling like we were going to find Superman.

To me, this is high up because I felt like there was a really beautiful opportunity to use some of the imagery that Zach Snyder had chosen, which is much more Christian,

much more. Obviously, Superman's always had like a Christ-like element. Like, that's not, he didn't invent that, But he decided the S stood for hope.

In 1978, Dick Donner and everyone decided that this was not just S, it was the House of Elle. That wasn't canon first. That was a movie choice. So I thought it was really bold that then Zach Snyder said the S stands for Hope. Comics immediately picked that up. But that was a new idea. But along with that S standing for hope, there's Native American conversation about John Kent. There's all these ideas and all these beautiful allegories and imagery.

But then he adds like some Christlike imagery. So I was like, what if dude comes back, you know? and that the new risen him will be the Superman we know. And I was like, what an interesting take in three films to rebirth a Superman. So the whole film, I'm anticipating that,

I'm feeling that. And I do feel some of that hope and wonder. And I'm thinking like maybe if he lost everything, he comes back. Because in real life, like hitting rock bottom is often how you find your highs, right? And it seems happy to be back.

Yeah. So I'm like, maybe the low lows bring us the highs. I don't love the idea of a three movie to get to the point. But then with No Way Home, I did. Like when No Way Home landed the Or

origin story. I wanted in Homecoming. I was like worth it. Three movies got Spider-Man. Now we go. If BVS had given me a little sprinkle and then we land that with Snyder cut out of an overjoyed, right? It seems like when he was coming back for Black Adam that, oh, that was going to be him. The arc is paying off. That's my favorite scene with Cavill. Yeah. Black Adam scene is my favorite scene with Hender Cable. So that's number two on your list. Black Adam. Yeah, actually, no, it's one number one. Spoiler. No, but that scene is what I saw coming. Because in interviews with Henry Cable, I felt that in moments of this film that that longing for a savior like a savior is going to be benevolent. A savior is going to connect.

So screw it. Let's use that allegory that everyone knows so well. Let's make him that figure. So I love that, you know, through time, you can make him into this thing and you can wait for him. And then he comes back and saves everyone. And then he loves connection. He fills a family with Justice League. Maybe he feels like he can reconnect with, with Ma Kent and Lois, maybe a little bit more.

All those things with my hope. The film itself, the Snyder cut, not the Justice League, I think is one of the best epics will ever get in the superhero genre. The film itself, the film making, it is a four-hour HBO series, and it's full of so much of the things that Zach Snyder is so good at. I think that he has chosen to go with the extreme of the gods above us thing, not how I see the characters all the time, but that's what he did. And when you can master that, that's Justice League, to me.

Like, when you can nail that idea. so I love that it feels like you're watching gods and it feels like you're experiencing mythology and it actually makes me forgive some of the choices in Man of Steel that I didn't connect to like the film is so good I start going like this is I'm getting it I'm rationalizing I'm connecting

but then when at the end he feels almost there and then we don't have any movie left it's kind of it hurts because there was such potential and that's why I love the scene of blackout so I think the Snyder cut is one of the best made films I think it's one of the best potentials of rewriting Superman and to be honest

you kind of have to reinterpret Superman because he was written so long ago in such a different time so this this was me on my like hope and forgiveness and then when the film itself was amazing I was so excited but since it didn't get to keep going I can't put it in my top two but it's a really special film I loved what Zach was able

to accomplish and I honestly think it handles all of the periphery so much better I like Batman more I think Cyborg story is like monumental I think Wonder Woman is is maybe better directed here than certainly in Wonder Woman 4, but I think the Wonder Woman elements are really amazing. Certainly the Themiscarus stuff in the Amazonians.

All that's really cool. So I think the Snyder cuts fantastic. Coming in at number two, a movie I saw very recently, it is three years ago's Coy's Superman the movie experience. This was something I got to react to. Check it on the channel. It is a movie that really blew me away in the fact that it was able to, without asterisk, be a spectacle,

literally 35 years later this is a movie that isn't 40 math it's a movie that isn't a product of its time

it is you know time has an effect on it but it is so big it is so full of hope it is so magnificent when a movie is a classic

and you've seen clips and it isn't ruined that's a testament how good the movie is I think Christopher Reeve is the reason we have this entire culture I think he is

such a hero in real life as we learned later that that transatl lights on screen there is there's this wonderful uh aura and ambiance and power to this man you feel it in every frame now that said it's not number one because i too did not connect to jean hackman's take i think and this is going to upset a lot of people i think jean hackman playing jean nicholson and jack nicholson weren't the ways to move the medium as much as they were to sell tickets but we needed to sell those tickets to move the medium so i can respect the takes without thinking it was

the right choice like maybe the movie wouldn't have done as well maybe batman wouldn't have as well. But I don't think those are the characters, so I can never fully connect to the story. You know what I, as you were talking, what it reminded me of that I actually think it has even over James Guns. I like that Metropolis really is a character in that movie. That's interesting because I feel like Metropolis is, and I want to talk about that, I want to talk about Superman. I think it is in the Superman movie too, but I think like, especially for Donner to nail that back then. Back then to make it the time in a new thing. Yeah, instead of just New York City.

Right. Well, I mean, and I love, I love Nolan, but like when it kept getting more Chicago, I was like, we get it guy. But I think that the movie itself, you finished that movie and I got to feel all the things I wanted to feel in Superman Returns and Man of Steel. And that was special because it was first. I just didn't watch it. So a negative 10 year experience where I got to go like, oh, what if I'd seen this? Would I have read more Superman? Like, would I be a better person? Like, would this have made me think on my choices? Like, it's so good. You actually, it does the thing Superman's supposed to, which is, hey, this alien loves humanity so much. He's elevating humanity. What are you doing to be a better person? What are you doing to connect? And it's affected me. I think about that movie all the time.

And I didn't grow up with it. I didn't have the nostalgia. Christopher Reeve, I thought of as Robin Williams' best friend that got in an accident. I thought of him as the guy in the M&M songs. I didn't have Superman that way. So the fact that it was able to impact me, the fact that the visual effects are like the right amount of cheeky that it was like future proof it was never going to look as good as today but they didn't try to make it they tried to make it like do do do like there's there's an energy to it um i didn't love margot

kidder but i loved their connection like that's what i wanted to say yeah their connection was so real but i was never as invested in lowest as i am in the comics i'm a huge lowest lane fan i wasn't like let's go to the bugle i was like their chemistry's great and i would have loved a little bit more of that um i think the newspaper stuff is really exceptional it is but that is also when there were newspapers. So it's cool to watch it and not be like, what a concept. It's like actually. And that era of filmmaking, they did a lot of like media movies and working at newspapers. Because it was such a part of our life. Yeah. So I think it like at that era, it's why it perfectly captures it. Imagine a time when like this was actually how you get the news, not any other way.

It was a hub of data. Journalism is super integrity. It's everything. And I think that's what I love about the Superman movie is because it's in 78. We have so much of that. So I think Superman the movie holds up i think it is really special it's why i want to wait and watch superman too so properly it's why i think that our genre exists so uh it's number two you know i think it's a very overlooked moment actually uh it's it's when he's still in smallville as a high schooler and he like kicks the football yeah it's a really great effect and then he's running on the train and young him is awesome yeah i think that whole like running scene actually looks amazing even to this day and you feel the americana throughout the film which i also really i mean dick donner is one

my favorite directors like hard stop so this was also really cool to see that payoff. Hot take, not a big fan of the Krypton stuff. I think I was kind of bored. Actually, not kind of bored. I get bored. You're bored? I get bored in the Krypton stuff. I liked it, but I also, I love Marlon Brando, so it was kind of a hype thing, whereas I'm like, if I didn't love Brando, maybe I wouldn't have. I don't know, I just, I feel like so disconnected when I'm watching it. I don't know. It's... Brando has that thing for me, like, Tom Hardy, where he's like a feral dog trapped in a corner. So I'm always like, this dude must be just chomping at the bit because he's in these robes like, I am regal, but he's got this thing where he's always like

trying to break out. So I love watching him have that, like, so for me, so for me. I'm captivated, but without Brando love, maybe not. Hey, it's a hot take. It's a hot take. People love it. So, yeah, it's number two. Number one, Superman, uh, Superman, uh, that, that their new Superman, which, uh, you know, inevitably, I'm letting the comics queue up now. Yeah, I, I have a show at DC Studio Showcase. I love doing that show. But I wouldn't have that show if I didn't love the comics, and I wouldn't care about doing a review if I didn't love the comics. So it's kind of chicken and egg. Um, I personally, uh, made sure I was allowed to say things about the job when I signed on to do that job.

And my big question was, when stuff comes out, can I be honest, on other networks? Because I'm not exclusive to D.C. And it was really important to me to be able to be articulate and open. And then the sigh of relief when I loved the film. This was every single thing that was the comics to me. It feels like not a volume one.

It feels like a volume two. It feels like you're picking up a graphic novel. And I think that's a really bold decision. Some people really don't like that. I love it. But that's the beauty of it, right? That's comics to me. Every comic you've recommended to use feels that way.

It's so different. Yeah. And it's already in progress. But that's why I'm not mad at, I think people want me to be mad at people that like Man of Steelmore, but I get it because I wanted to connect to it too. So if they're not connecting to this, I'm not upset with them. It is so different. But that's the beauty of it is this is now the character I've seen him as.

And that's what I always want for people. I think that's why any deification of a concept is dangerous. Because if you get angry at it, then suddenly you're not understanding. understanding the character. If you're trying to make something aspirational and you're mad at someone else for seeing it differently, you're not getting the memo. And the film to me is everything I've wanted, but I still am so excited for like people to get to rewatch the movies they love. And the movie itself, uh, you know, we've talked about it a lot, but in brief, the fact that it is picking up that already in progress, the fact that it is so comicky, the fact that it's a movie that's really big that is also has something to say and is important is so Superman, because I feel like oftentimes when a film is big it doesn't get to be important. And when a film is important, it doesn't get to be big. You give movies with a lot to say a little budget and you hope people find it. And if you have a giant tent pole, you castrate it and you take away a lot of his messaging. And sometimes if you're a good director and a good writer, you can sneak in the

messaging, you can have your audience receive it. This film is saying some stuff pretty big and loud and it's important things to say. And it's doing it in a movie about a character that was written when we were at war when we were struggling, when we were looking for identity. And I think that the character evolving from truth, justice, the American way into truth, justice, and the better tomorrow is reflected in the film. And I think that it's the most 2025 thing to use both our media literacy with comic book stuff, to use the world at large, and to use a character that is all about helping others when we're at our darkest. It is literally what Superman needed to be in 1939, what he needed to be in the 90s, what he needs to be now, but it has to change and evolve.

So the movie itself is able to accomplish the impossible where it's leveraging the fact that Marvel and D.C. have gotten us to this point in comic culture to not have to be spoon fed, but it's also doing the impossible by being a giant big budget blockbuster film that is saying so much that we need to say. I think it's a miracle it exists. And I think that not only is everyone it perfectly cast, but they get why it's important. Sometimes you get one of the other. These people know it's important. Yeah. So I think the movie is it's everything I needed. I agree. Like on a, I think I was having the conversation with someone who I, a big fan of their channel, and I don't want to put their opinion out there. But I was talking with them before the movie. And I was like, yeah, you know, I can see scenes in this film, especially on a rewatch. I'm like, yeah, this could have been edited a little better. This could have been finessed more or this could have been fleshed out more. But the emotional takeaway on so much of it just outweighs a lot of nitpicks or seams that are very obvious to me, you know.

It's not a flawless movie to me, but part of that is the charm to me. A lot of people thought it was going to be my 26th five-star film, and a lot of people, like, when they saw my very emotional out of the theater, they're like, that's got to be one of his five stars. It's not flawless. For me, it's four and a half stars. I think it's a nine out of ten. I think it's four and a half stars. But I think the emotion of it is so much bigger than the flaws.

And I think that I don't get that emotion ever in movies. And so that's going to outweigh so many other things, but I can't call it perfect. It's not. But it is the Superman I've always wanted. I mean, both times we've seen it. And on the second time, too, like, when he says the line about maybe that's being punk rock, when you talk about seeing the beauty of humanity, I hear people in the theater go, oh, wow. Like, wow, when does a line like that get a reaction out of the crowd?

You know, normally he needs something big or funny or whatever. It's a line of dialogue. It's just a poignant line about simplicity. And that's poetry sometimes, right? Like, when you read a line of poetry, you read a lot of, like, when you read those damn Instagram squares and you're like, oh, yeah. Like, it's that. But you need that. to shift you.

And that's what Superman should do. You should feel like I should be better. And like I do think being good is punk rock. I think being kind is punk rock. I think it is so easy to be a piece of shit. And it's rewarded. All we do is reward monsters. That's,

I mean, we've got Lex Luther in that position of power by being a piece of crap that's in a place of envy and righteousness. And he got there. And I think we reward, we reward evil every day. And we make snarky comments. at earnestness.

Yeah. We literally judge people for being nice. We judge people for loving things. Yeah. We like make fun of people for being excited. People being mad at me

for being overly excited in my review. That's embarrassing. It's my review. Why are you here? And also like, why is my joy offensive to you? Yeah. So like I think we need,

not only do we need the Ted lassoes and the supermans and stuff, but I think we need to really look at accepting people peeing pieces of shit. Yeah. I think there is a thing as toxic positivity, but I noticed the most

Negative people latch on to how do we make everything toxic positivity? Yeah, yeah. Why is your joy? It's offending me. I wanted to be mad at this. It's like the way how people turn everything and try to make everything woke. It's like now they try to make anything positive toxic. Right.

Yeah, yeah. And I think masculinity had that problem, has that problem. But I think that's a much truer thing. I think toxic positivity is so rare. And I also think that if it's going to be toxic, now's the time because we need to outweigh all the shit. Yeah, of course. So, yeah, I think the movie's important. I think it's my number one.

I think it's one of my favorite comic movies ever. I think it might be the most comic book movie ever. And I think it sets up a really beautiful universe because of how bold it is. I would say Sin City is. I would have until this. But I think you're right there. Like that that and this are up there. I mean, it's different.

Like, I think that's the best pulp like. Sin City 300 Watchmen are like direct graphic novel adaptations. In terms of a movie that is being an inspired adaptation of a bunch of different comics. I would say this is the most comic book you want. Because this one, comics to me are something you can pick up, put down, and you can read just one of them,

but you also want to know about more of those characters. Yeah. I think Sin City too kind of showed that Sin City didn't have as much of a launching point as this does. Yeah. I think those are,

actually it's funny. This is so fucking... I think those are perfect graphic novel adaptations, and as much as this feels like picking up a graphic novels is a perfect comic adaptation. Absolutely. Because a comic implies it's going to run forever.

This feels like the beginning of an infinite thing. Sin City feels finite to a point. Yeah. Same thing with the other ones. Same thing. A watchman, certainly. Yeah.

When they made a watchman too, I was like, don't do that HBO. And then I was like, oh, but like that's the exception to the rule. Absolutely. But yeah, this was fun, man. This was fun. Wow. How long was this? Like 40 minutes?

I don't know. What was that timer say? Coy's dad. On the green thing to record the audio, behind this light. On the down? No, no, no, behind this light. The audio device thing? No, I want to watch and figure it out

This is going to be fun This is, I mean Yeah, there you go, what does it say? Oh, and he's got a mozy He figured it out 57 This is a live stream This is supposed to be a 30 minute talk

We should have gone back and forth Oh well, we talked about movies I'm so happy to make our editors work Sorry, editors Do you have fun? You guys bored, like watching your son? We pontificate Yeah, they didn't

just got to watch what they'd press play on later you shouldn't yeah we're sorry hey be good even for a second even if you're an absolute piece of shit that wants to yell at people slow down on your piece of shitness but if you're a good person look up accelerate that shit yeah great way to do this buy a shirt from rejectation shop dot com look up look up rejectation shop top come all right we're done last video we're shooting for Superman then we're not going to talk about Superman for a very long time but keep a lookout for the Superman suit raking tomorrow which is the first video we shot see you guys thanks for being here Thank you.