The Reel Rejects - Extended Version: BLACK PHONE 2 (2025) IS A CHILLING SINISTER SEQUEL!! MOVIE REACTION!! Ethan Hawke | Blumhouse Horror

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

THE GRABBER RETURNS!! Black Phone 2 Full Movie Reaction Watch Along: ⁠  / thereelrejects  ⁠ The Black Phone (2021) Movie Reaction: ⁠   • THE BLACK PHONE MOVIE REACTION!! First Tim...  ⁠ The Black Phone 2 Movie Reaction, Breakdown, Commentary, Analysis & Spoiler Review! Join us as we dive into the chilling sequel directed by Scott Derrickson (who also helmed Doctor Strange and Sinister) in which the masked killer known as the “Grabber” returns from beyond the grave. Ten-plus years after his defeat by Mason Thames (Finney Blake — also in How to Train Your Dragon (2025) and Regretting You (2025)) the evil starts haunting both Finney and his sister Madeleine McGraw (Gwen) at a remote winter camp, Alpine Lake, where their mother once worked—and things get deeply supernatural. Meanwhile, the Grabber is still played by Ethan Hawke (The Grabber — also in Training Day, Before Midnight, and The Black Phone (2021)) who now haunts the phone lines and dreams of his victims. We unpack major moments: Gwen’s vision sequences, Finney’s PTSD-driven recklessness, the snowbound camp setting, the ringing black phone returning, the origin back story of the Blake family’s trauma, and the visceral climax where the Grabber gains powers of the undead and the siblings must fight back. We analyze how Derrickson flips a summer-camp slasher into a winter nightmare, how the film leans into supernatural horror (think Freddy Krueger vibes) and how the sequel expands the mythos of the first film. If you’re searching “Black Phone 2 explained”, “Black Phone 2 review”, “Grabber origin Black Phone sequel”, “Mason Thames Black Phone 2 reaction”, this is your full breakdown. Buckle up—the phone is ringing and the nightmare’s only begun. Follow Roxy Striar YouTube:⁠https://www.youtube.com/@TheWhirlGirls⁠ Instagram:⁠ ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/roxystriar/?hl=en⁠ Twitter:  ⁠https://twitter.com/roxystriar⁠ Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/...⁠ Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! ⁠https://www.rejectnationshop.com/⁠ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/⁠  Tik-Tok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en⁠ Twitter: ⁠https://x.com/reelrejects⁠ Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/⁠ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/⁠ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/...⁠ POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit⁠ https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo⁠ and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor:⁠ https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en⁠ Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license.⁠ https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/⁠ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO:⁠ https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects⁠ Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  ⁠https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/⁠ INSTAGRAM: ⁠ https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/⁠ TWITTER:  ⁠https://twitter.com/thereelrejects⁠ Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  ⁠https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/⁠ TWITTER:  ⁠https://twitter.com/thegregalba⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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little recap for everyone's memory the very first movie reaction roxy was ever on was for the black phone my how you have grown no longer are the days where you're freaking out throughout the entire experience. Now you are emotionless. Hollow. Empty shell. What? That is growth. That is

very much grown. A couple years ago, man. You've grown a lot. It is growth to feel nothing and be hardened by the world. Greg, thank you for noticing. This is a big full circle moment for me. It really is. It also is a time that I agreed to not go see something in theaters. I appreciate

that so much. Black phone one was just by chance. And now you agree. to not go for the theaters for Emwa. But I really wanted to do this. I'm so excited. It's the first time you welcomed me into Reject Nation. And that's a big deal. It is a big deal, man.

Look how now we're a fight every week with each other. No, we don't. Justin bickering, yelling. You're always like, I'm firing you, Greg. That's not how this works here. Get out of my office, Gregory. And yeah, Andrew, John, and Aaron. They did a reaction. So some people were like, where's theirs?

It'll come, it'll come, but we're going first because she was first, okay? That's what I'm saying. That's how we do. Yep, that's how we do. And we're going first because we're the only two who agreed to be here at 10 o'clock at night. That's how it works around here. And so with that, we're not going to ask how we're doing. We're doing fine.

Guys, we've got to get to this right away. So as always, the full length of that you watch along where you seek up with your own copy. We have purchased this off prime video. We now own Black Phone 2 in perpetuity. available for our Royal Rejects and we also cover several things over there through the highlights of watch long as included and yes I want to shout out the Reject Nation shop

because we got a bunch of Sheeject's apparel over there. Roxy gets 0.75% of every purchase and I collect the rest and another thing she's been hard at work doing the social media the TikToks the real rejects clips and shorts the whole she bang

she has been banging them out nonstop it's been awesome possum lady blossom So, Roxy, you ready to do this? Absolutely. Let's rock and roll, peeps. Wow, we're starting off on the black phone itself. Not the black phone, but a black phone.

Oh, 57. We're going back. What? Hello? Oh, is that the mom? Oh, with all her visions. Hope. Hope Paddler.

Who is this? Alpine. It's a youth camp in the mountains. Man, it looks so beautiful. I had these dreams. Hmm, I should be. Seven numbers. No area code, so this call is local.

You're here in Colorado, right? I love Colorado. Got married there, people. The numbers were carved in ice. Yes. Yes. Yes, to what? Who is this?

Who are you? She saw whatever they saw. Hello? Can you hear me? Hello? Spooky. That's a very black phone. That must be the same phone.

that's in the basement. Whoa. What a great reveal. She looked totally isolated. Yeah. But she said at youth camp, so you have to figure there's somebody something. Damien Bashir's in this. Cool.

Did Scott Derrickson co-write the first one as well? I think so, yeah. Oh, we've gone to the 80s, Greg. Stranger things. Starting right off on another school fight. Now he's fighting. Finn! And he did stick with going with Finn.

Finney! Oh, but he responded to Finney. You done yet? Stay the fuck away from him. Jeez. That's a pretty cool evolution. Anyone else? He's become his friend.

This is why he wants to be Nightwing. Hey. High school is going to be different for Fun. Finney, man. Are you just speeding up new kids now? He started it. What was it this time? Heard you were the badass to waste of a serial killer.

You don't it look so tough? He didn't really say that. Yeah, he actually did. That reputation will follow you around. In this situation like that, the more blood, the better for the crowd. That's what his friend said. We've made that point more than once. So maybe, and I'm just spitballing here.

Maybe the point you're actually making is less, don't with me and more. I'm the guy to be. Yeah, totally. Hey, Ernie. So tonight, I'm going to go down to the Civic Center to wait in line for. Or Duran Duran Duran tickets? Duran Duran tickets?

Sick. You just said that. Oh, my God. Are you going, Gwen? So choice? I wish. Those tickets cost a mint. It's a slang. I don't mean.

Cost of mint. I was going to buy to anyway. Like mint condition. You know, be cool to have someone to go with who's also a fan. For real? For real. Look at Finney's face. That would be radical.

She's, the 80s writing is hysterical. I got to get the shop class. See ya. They've used every 80 slang in the pad, like, three dialogues. For real. That would be. You know that it's a date. No, it's not.

Yeah, it is. Okay, so what if it's a date? I don't know. I just don't like him. I don't get why. He's really nice. Wow, the dynamics are flipping. Now he's protective of her.

Don't you think Robin would want she looking out for his good brother? But that doesn't mean letting him point my little sister. Don't be gross. J. Hopper? That's a line. Don't be gross, J. Ammer. Nice, son. Off to bed.

Right. Don't stay up too late. Yeah, sure. Now is it angsty high school? 4-8, 15, 16, 23, 42. This is 82. How old is he here? I don't know. It depends what you're in high school at this point. 17?

If you try to touch me, I'll scratch your face. Oh, he just keeps reliving it. Yeah. This face. Oh, his movement is so creepy. Still not my thing. Don't tell dad. Fuck off slack.

I'm no narc. Her lingo is wild. You okay? slap I'm fine no I mean I don't want to talk about it I wonder if you're seeing like a school counselor it's okay that you feel this way she don't know how I feel yeah but she's asking no but I know however you feel it's okay good comment love the relationship I appreciate this approach so much because it was such like a bittersweet kind of happy ending in the last one which it was is if it's a victory but he like goes to school he's got a smile on his face but this is a way more realistic approach

to what would happen to a kid right something like this you wouldn't just be wanting to flirt with girls and be fine you would be super messed up

yeah is this a youth camp they tend she tends to see visions of ghosts yeah or not solely ghosts but that's pretty terrifying

visions of things happening oh that's that's horrible that's horrible Oh, my God, that's really violent. Jeez. You're the one who likes the snow. Man, that was more graphic to a kid than any of the last movie. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

Oh, hate this, Greg, hate this, hate this. Double heat. He's saying winner. Ooh. That's how my dad's best friend growing up died. by the way they're shooting it it feels like that but I have to imagine she's up no but they're doing the shaky cam grainy

yeah we must still be oh that's so scary yeah when she when her brother's like you don't know what I'm feeling it's like you don't know what she's feeling either Oh, he's trying to wake her up Sleepwalking? Yeah, sleep walking. Why are you so cold?

You're not supposed to wake somebody up for that. It's okay. We're sleepwalking again. Your skin is like ice. I had a bad dream. Go back to bed. I said I had a bad dream. I heard you.

Just go back to bed. You know those dreams. Yeah, you know what that is. Something, though. Hey, witch. Oh, so you're a jerk. Oh, she's the bullied one. Yeah.

Hey, Gwen. Love him. Hey, Ernie. So it really is like a giant role reversal. Check it out. Choice. I can't believe it. Choice.

So, uh, you're into a lot of that. That woo-woo's stuff, right? That's insulting way to put it. I mean ghosts, spirits, glimpses of the world beyond. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I believe in all that woo-woo stuff. Cool. I brought you something else. Ernesto. Is this letharia? Yeah. Oh. My abuela sells him in her shock.

I played that. Thought they look cool? They're like taro. These are beautiful. Doreena told me that. I mean, you can use them like taro. Axiskin friend of mine. If you have the site, they can show you things.

Do you know this? I don't speak Spanish. You have dreams and stuff, and they show you things. Where did you hear that? Where did you hear that? My parents. Oh. The cops seem to know it too.

Back, you know, they said the police got an anonymous call where Robin's body was. But they say it was you. I don't like talking about that. Why not? Ernesto, why would she like talking about that? Because it's weird. I'm weird. Maybe I like weird. Weird is cool.

You're really weird. You, yay or nay, Ernesto kicks the bucket in this movie. It's giving yay. Yeah. I'm sorry, but I can't help you. Oh, have they been trying to actually reach him? Who? Finney.

No, who's been trying to reach him? Some ghosts that need help. Now he's the voice on the other end of the phone. Stephen King's son wrote the book that the first movie is based on, but this is feeling more like Stephen King than the last one to me. It's giving like shining and nightmare on Elm Street vibes. We're opening up the lore. Ooh.

Oh. Damn, the way these shots are just lingering. It's really uncomfortable. I can't believe they're showing all these close-ups on it. Damn. Whoa. This is like my biggest fear. Like, truly, oh, no.

Oh, what's he going to write? What's the sentence going to say? W.B. Warner Brothers? The Warner Brothers? Paramount? whose initials could that be crazy so this is like another dimension did you sleepwalk i've only slept walk like twice in my life have you yeah when i was a kid it was a big problem oh god ugh yeah i know you too guys we're gonna have to blur some stuff here

Well, this blurred itself. Oh, yeah. I wonder if they were able to justify some of the kid violence just because of the over-filtered grainy stuff because, yeah, it's... It's R-rated, right? Yeah, yeah. But the last movie is mainly implied. Like, you don't really see the villain do a lot of it. They opt the budget, Greg.

Wow, don't go down there. Has she sleptwalk all the way to here? Hello? Hello? A girl. Who's this? Hope. Hope Badler.

Who is this? Hope Badler. Where are you calling from? This is the reverse of the conversation that we had. Alpine Lake, the youth camp in the mountains. How did you get this number? I have these dreams. Seven numbers.

No area code. So this call is local. I guess it's not her mom. You're hearing Colorado? Yes. Just another person. The numbers are carved in ice. By boys.

Underwater. Yes, yes I had the same dreams But the boys carved a letter My name is Gwen I said my name is Gwen Oh no Dude, that's Max

You shouldn't be here I'd scare me a little I'm not totally dead inside Greg Nice reveal The frame was just cutting it off I like how this movie Fully expects you to remember the last one Do you think it's possible that she actually is down here right now?

Yeah. Really? Definitely. Hey, go ahead. Am I really here? You're okay. You're asleep walking again. You came here in your sleep.

I heard you leave and I followed you. Thank goodness. I feel like I'm crazy. Where's the dad? Hey, look at me. What the hell? You're okay. You're okay.

Damn, this must be kind of triggering for Finney. I was on the phone. But he has to take care of her instead. I was talking to mom. It was mom. It was, okay. Damn. It was her.

She called me. from a youth camp a youth camp you reached out to me from there for a reason just get you out here whoa creepy something about this steady shot camp alpine lake the camp mom called from we have to go there go ahead they're accepting applications for cites for middle school winter camp what's the cit counselor in training oh weird you didn't know it that's weird i was just saying how he i was wondering if he sees a counselor you're going to be a counselor in training no i'm not no camp counselor yeah wants us to get jobs at some Christian winter camp. I'm not Camp Alpine.

It's got a jog of memory. Your mother worked there. There it is. When? It was long before I met her. It closed in 58. How'd you hear about this place? One year after.

I, I, I, have closed. How could they get jobs there? Said it was a good way to make some money. So it closed and reopened, they said? Yeah, like a Crystal Lake Christian camp. You know, I don't much like any of that. religion stuff you know it's just a job dad still drinking way to go pops don't let me hear you took that thing any faster in 55 i would like my daughter back unscathed you understand are you not

going i don't like the way he looks at her yeah either oh no he's bonding with his dad a little too similarly this is just for duran duran right now right go look after your sister oh i guess not no they're really going to the counselor can't do me a favor while I'm gone. Yeah, anything. Don't get drunk. Oh. Hey, come on. When are you going to believe? I'm done with all that. This last minute, that's what he's packing to go CIT? In two weeks, I get my three-year chip. I'll have it when you get back. Oh, he was drinking not real alcohol. Yeah, there you go. Good. Finally, get some peace and quiet around this place. I missed that. It wasn't real booze. Did you notice that? No, I didn't.

Come on, look at them warning signs about what's to come. You can feel the upgrade in budget. Yeah, for sure. He's shooting a lot more with wider lenses, too. That's a very underrated shot that we just looked at right there. That's a hard shot to get with the snow and stuff and then them running. That's really hard. Have you ever driven like this?

Look what he's doing. Running up the road. See me. Oh, my God. Look at him. He's a little rocky bowing this. What a way to do it. Call me!

Did he get back in the car? You must be the boy. Yeah, how'd you know? Oh, they closed high six at Silvercourt. We're the only ones who didn't get the call in time. Sounds like Damien this year. I'm Armando. Or interest Vando, if you like.

Come with me, let's get to inside. They're the only ones you didn't get the call. Aren't this supposed to arrive tomorrow? Camps cancel. canceled. They won't plow on the roads until the store buses. Wow. How many people made it here?

Just you three support staff has already been here a week. Holy crap. I'm sorry to say it, but for now you're stuck here. Wow. Those are fighting words for him. There's that phone booth.

For now, you're stuck here. Sentence you never want to hear if you've been stuck anywhere. I've got to sleep in here alone. afraid so state law requires separate housing for male and female miners that's crazy my cabin is just over there if you need anything that's so effed up i would be scared out of my mind gregg this whole scenario is this so terrifying and then to be a person who has these like dreams and stuff and is aware of like go shit happening here is he feeling this no it's got to be one of hers oh the boys peo all these ice shots are really freaking me out man what letter are we about to get h is it a b or an r oh god ew we've been here i wonder if it's actually the on the phone like the letter on the phone. It's got to connect to the phone somehow.

They are so lucky they cast such good young actors that grew into this. Ooh, that noise. Greg. Is it Ethan Hawke who killed all these kids? We saw the grabber. So it was him? I'm sorry, but I can't help you. Just take at least one phone call.

The light. I wonder if they're trying to warn him. Oh. Who is this? Yeah, she is a fearless explorer. She doesn't seem fearless to me. In fact, she seems fearful. But the cool thing is she's doing it anyway,

and that's what bravery is. Hello? What was that? A little boy. Look like a clown. The grabbers become ghost face. Literally, but hello, Fiddy. Are she not here to help anymore?

Did they fall into some trap? Hell is not flames, Finney. It's ice. Hell is not flames, Finney, it's ice. Nothing burns like cold. Nothing burns. Oh, why? god what the fuck oh damn holy shit the gore is so amed up you're dreaming you're

okay holy shit that whale seems so real oh my god that's a very real cry good job Madeline. Remember she had a crying scene like that in the first one. But now that she's older, it kind of hits so different because it's like, oh, she's becoming like her child self again. I had a bad dream. Okay. You're right?

Here, lie down. This feels less romantic in the second and more like crawling into bed with your parents because you had a bad dream. I'm sure it is romantic, but that was really sad to watch. Romantic? What do you mean by romantic? She had a crush on this guy Please don't let me have another dream tonight

Oh, I thought that was fitting I was so confused I was like, that's her enough Yeah, I thought that was fitting for a sudden I was like, did you not pick up all that with the date? What do you mean romantic? Did I wake you? No, was that for real?

What? You had a bad dream or did you just want to be with me? Talk to Jesus just like that? You think it's weird? No, not at all. I think it's hot. Hot. Yeah, I think it's hot that I talk to Jesus.

Yeah. I mean, my name is hard if you call them his hoes. You know, my mom is Catholic as hell. She loved me dating somebody who prays. That's what I mean by romantic, Greg. I get it. I get you. I get you.

We're dating. I was just saying that. I'm a good Christian girl. Gotta save yourself until marriage. My mom was Christian, too. Dad didn't want us brought up in the church, but I asked a lot of questions. When he wasn't around. She answered

She answered She had to have all these abilities And to be such a strong believer in Christ Did she know about your dream thing I got it from her It drove her crazy I'm scared the same thing Will happen to me

It won't Based on what You're too strong fat Strong people go crazy every day You don't think I'm a freak What a cool shot To go from wide and super intimate I can still see her face so clearly

She was beautiful I think you're beautiful what I'm thinking is it's romantic Greg what about me do you think I'm beautiful I love it Finn you rotting shit stain have you been listening this whole time he's in the room I'm still right here so it's not like I had any choice yeah oh cool that was AI generated

no CG he came to help us investigate Where you told him about your dreams? I know about her dreams and about the calls that you get. Why'd she tell him about him? We can trust him. Yeah, that's true. Okay, I haven't told anyone. Yeah, what the hell?

Gwen. I have friends. Name one. One you've brought home to hang out. One you've even mentioned in a conversation at all. It's still not yours to tell. Yep. I have to tell somebody, Finn.

You never want to hear about my dreams. That's not true. This happened last night in my dream. One of the kids grabbed me. No, your part you can tell, but not his part. In your dream. What? This is bad.

Morning Cappers! It's so nightmare on Elm Street. You met my niece, Mustang. She works at the stables and in the kitchen with me. Her name's Mustang. Mustang? Like the car? Like the horse.

There you go. It's giving romantic. That could be a lover for you, Fini. Why are you here? I feel like he has such an interesting pass. His tattoos hint at it. His jail, Sten. Yeah.

It's got to be a romantic. reason why he converted to Christ or became this much of a devotee. Her mom went here. Don't say her name. Camper or counselor? Oh, no. Counselor. Her name was Hope Adler.

Oh, no. Was? She died seven years ago. Hmm. I'm sorry. Got to help her spirit move on. He didn't recognize her name. A letter gets gone through here.

You know, her camp name? He's easier for the campers to remember who's who. Starlight. Oh. From the boys? That's a sweet. You do remember her. Very well.

She was a true lie, that one. I hope so. Her name's Starlight. They ask how she passed. She killed herself. Spit it out. You should call your families and let them know you're okay. There's the phone in the camp officers.

Wait, what about the outside pay phone? Future weapons. Nothing is deader than disco. Wasn't warranting over a decade. That dead payphone ring last night. I'm pretty sure it was her. Well, what do you want? Right on cue.

ringing again go call dad i'll meet you when i'm done go call dad i'll meet you when i'm done no it's cold here who is this what i don't remember i don't remember there's three of us hey where are you oh it's cold here that's what she said tell me where you are we don't know oh i love the way the camera's shifting how did you die we don't remember what Don't remember how they died. This isn't where we belong. We weren't supposed to be here.

You can't see them. No, no, no. That's just the motif from the first movie. Yeah. Tell me how I can help. Find us, man. Please. The camera's so much more of a character in this movie.

Yeah, we're snowed in here as well. You guys just hold tight. I'm sure they'll have you out of there in no time. Love you, kid. His skin complexion does look a lot clearer. Yeah, Jake. Hey, I need to call in that favor. Has the company fleet finished plowing the property?

Oh, no. Is Pops gonna die in this movie? Do you have any literature on the history of Alpine Lake? There is no published history of Camp Alpine Lake. We are a youth camp, not a historical society. Barbara? Wow, you're being gone descending a shit, lady. This is the young lady who decided to sneak into the boy's cabin last night.

Oh, that's why. Oh, that's why. What exactly can we help you with, sweetie? We just want to know about some kids that may. have been killed here in the past. Let's just what we all know about. Philippians 4-8 tells us to think on things that are lovely.

Philippians 4-8 also says to think on things that are true, just, and honest. Right, Barb? Tell her. This is a Christian organization. We don't discuss those kinds of things here. But some fucked up shit did happen here, right? Have you always had such a filthy, vulgar mouth? Have you always been such a sanctimonious twat?

Wow. I'll pray for you. She didn't seem to say that in a way that was comforting. Nobody ever does. Hello. Who is this? Hope? Hope Adler.

Why is she talking to her mom, though, from such an earlier time period? Goes whenever what happened with the kids, this is then. The numbers were carved in ice. Ice of a rain. Yes. Who is this? Who are you? She can even hear herself on the other end.

Up, up, it's turning red. Red feather. Well, it's all bloodied. I was the under the bed clown. A long time without Ethan. Yeah, I know, huh? Well, that's fucking terrifying. What are you doing? Getting up or no?

No. No, no, no. Not my style. Towering? That's why I have a wife. Augusto, wake up. Is this simultaneous? It's cool, because the last movie doesn't do that,

where it cuts back and forth between this vision thing. She wasn't also sleepwalking in the last one. Like, these feel a lot more unsettling. Yeah, because we don't know where she'll end up. You have one job, look after my sister. I have promise. Here would be a bold move.

They killed off Finney. I think that would really, like, change the game. Are there plans for a Blackphone 3? I have no clue. But like, if they kill off, we're all expecting Ernest that are not. But if they kill off Finney, that'd be nutty. I mean, what if they kill off Gwen?

That'd be even bolder. Hello, Finney. What do you want? Pulsating dread. It took me a long time, but now I remember. Tell me why you're here. Why do you think I'm here? Revenge.

Ooh. Gwen, Gwen! Man, even that, like, this is like the kind of 80s horror music you would hear. That, like, kind of drowning out synth. Yeah. you really believe you could do what you did to me I'm not afraid of you

Do you think Ethan's under there? Yeah You know as well as I view that fear is just the warm-up It's an interesting choice though like It's the same outfit from the last movie But it's all like frosted over Yeah

We saw bodies being burned there earlier Every jeez biggest fear I'm worried that her mom didn't actually on purpose, off herself. It was something like this. You made me kill my brother. And then you killed me. Weird choice.

What do you say he wanted to do? Kill him? Yeah. It's essentially what you were saying. So now I am going to destroy you. Oh. Vengeance is mine. Oh my God.

Someone's got to wake her ass up. Remember how she has those marks on her arms So she can really hurt herself here She's doing it to herself, yeah Wow They just got a lot of theories confirm right there We went right past a cliche Yeah, yeah

I'm kind of glad about that Yeah Whoa Unbelievable stunt What a stunt that was Whoa They're doing wire work What is he even doing

I don't even know what he's doing No Guys Yeah thank goodness Help help him What are you doing Are you guys kidding? What a neat choice

To expand on this motif Cut between both of the POVs Gwen wake up How do you defeat that? She's awake How do you possibly defeat It can move things He can move things as a ghost

Only if she believes it You got the devil in you, Chuck Oh my God, I hate her Shut up, up Never heard of anyone Who had dreams like the ones you describe Where do you think they come from? She's possessed

I'm not possessed, you judgmental wagon I love her Every single one of us Has seen or heard things around You especially Barb Oh, she was there when it happened I think she was probably a counselor They tell you the future

Sometimes No, no, it's just an alternate. Have you heard of the grabber? Yeah, who hasn't? He was grabbing the shit after. Killed a bunch of kids and then got killed one once, escaped. Yeah, his name was Finney, something? This is your name, Phiddy?

This is from the last year of Kahn before we closed down. I was just the camp cook back then. There is me and there's your mom. Is Ethan Hawk in this photo? Next to a curly girl, curly-haired girl. You saw him? No, no. Woman, I feel like Barb.

I bought this place in a state. sale for a song and reopened it i promised their parents i wouldn't stop looking until i found them not a single morning goes by that i don't pray for help to find those boys i love how we took the stage for this yeah next to the crucifix it's a real preacher i'm not gonna pass up a chance to put those kids to rest once and for all for them for their families and for me no fucking way what is it with this family it's him oh it's the grabber it's the grabber yeah i was hitha hawks got to be there it is Ethan hawk That's wild bill. Oh, we actually learned his name.

We called the wild bill because he wore this brown leather tool bill loose around his waist like a gunslinger and he got a long wavy hair. Wild Bill Hickok. The letters. W.B.H. This is where he started. These boys were his first kills. Wild Bill became a grabber. I did weird things start happening around here.

That was a lot of information we just got. I thought we like kind of put that together ourselves, didn't we? What? That this was all the grabbers first movie. And stuff. But that's what they were writing. Maybe his spirit draws power from the fear of his victims because their spirits are not at rest. How do we find these boys?

Their bodies are underwater in a frozen lake, I think. Yep, down in the ice. The lakes were frozen over when the boys were missing. Lake motto is where we take campers ice fishing, so we store our equipment there. While Bill used it for the kids hockey games, he was a good skater. That's the only lake where he would have the tools to make a hole in the eyes and dump the bodies. Hmm. Okay, so if we find Felix Call and Spike, allow them to rest, as you say.

That would get rid of the grabber's power. That was a wild line. Yeah. You got to act quick. You got to act real quick. That grabber would be grabbing. It's been so many years. Aren't their bodies going to be disintegrated?

Don't they get frozen? It's not always frozen in the water. I don't know how water works. He's about to die. He's also in the hay filet. they're trapped in a place in snow. I seem to know a lot about Damien Bashir. Good for you, man.

Oh, Jack Frost. Very funny, must. You mean all that happens? And you're just like, funny joke must say. You got to be cheated on. That is crazy. Like, dude. Look, what you made me do.

You made me kill my brother. Oh. Oh, maybe the grabber soul needs to be put at rest. I know you're out there, Bill. Can't have those bullets forever. My name's not, Bill. What is it? Wild Bill, robber.

Evil is evil. You don't have the power right now, you know? I wouldn't be taunting the guy. What do you say? I want to kill you. Most of his lines are about wanting to kill. You heard that? Yeah.

We are going to get those boys back, Bill. Looks like an animal. It's the grabers mask. I know. I'm just saying it looked like an animal. He's really adjusted to this whole ghost thing pretty fast. I appreciate how on that photo, they didn't do a close-up on Ethan Hawk because we've not once, they don't show us Ethan Hawk's face

like clearly in these movies. You've really been through it, haven't you, kid? Yeah. There's a certain look in a young man's eye, kind of quiet fury, kind of deep rage when he's seen too much or done too much. It must have happened to you. It takes one to no one. Yeah, we're a rare breed.

Getting many fights, Finn. So here's what I know. Behind that kind of anger is fear. And fear leads to... I'm not afraid of anything. I know one thing you're afraid of. What's that? You can't protect your sister.

When I was on the streets, I chose the wrong path. Instead of facing my fears, I chose anger. You're doing the same. I can see it. Takes fun of no one. This is what I do for a living. I meet half a dozen kids like you every year. Kids who are told this is who they have to be.

You are stronger than you think. You are strong enough to kill the grabber, and you are strong enough to let what happened with him go. What a very different version of strength. I don't know how to do that. Face your feeling. You can't just hold them in and numb it all out. You've got to phase it, and then you can let it go.

I wonder if doing that would get rid of the grabber. He wants to kill Quinn to hurt me. Oh, we're not going to let that happen. I'm checking this with me. Come on, man, I need that. Do you a favor? These ain't even good. Shit.

Head to the lake in an hour. I'd sign up. You're ready. Telling his dad to stop drinking while he is just getting high, which are two different things. Cool musical shift. They seem relatively calm about this prospect. Why I do? They do.

Oh. I'd be in like 24-7 terrified mode. You never know when. this grab brick and come he's just there i'm telling you gregg growing up the biggest thing that was instilled in me was do not go out on the ice it is like my actual biggest fear this is horrible for me right now i'm not doing well i don't even want them standing there me and her nest that we're going to take shifts watching you so if you have another nightmare we'll wake you what if you can't didn't fight back and it's your dream isn't it he makes it

More than that. What about those books you read about dreaming? You know, there's got to be something you can try. He's too strong. If you can overcome your own trauma, you can maybe instill some wisdom into someone else. Did you really talk to my brother down in that basement? I missed that that was his brother. Did we establish that earlier?

Perhaps. Okay. Yeah, I didn't. What did he say? He said that. That makes a lot more sense for the dynamic. Your dad didn't come back from Vietnam because he couldn't leave his buddies behind, and then he wasn't going to leave me behind.

Yeah, that was Robin, right? Robin. Damn. That was his buddy, yeah. Oh, my God. No, I did not piece that together. Any either. That I don't really know what's on the other side, but there's something.

I hope it's good. I wonder if that was a reveal just now or whether we missed that. But if he isn't, it's not me. He's here looking after. Yeah. It's you, buddy. Broncos. Am I right, Greg?

Yeah, man. The only football game I've been to. I've never once seen a paper boy in my entire life, even when I was young. Were you awake in the mornings? Yeah, sometimes. Get McDonald's breakfast. They came at like 4.30. Oh, that's way too early.

Yeah, they were there earlier. Whoa. This face. Oh my God Mama Oh I'm telling you I don't think she To herself

Well I'm pretty sure that What we just saw was that I'm pretty sure it was in the last movie too Or like the guy with the dog and the bike falling over Yeah I'm just saying We just watched what he can do in your dreams And they think that she And I don't think she

Yeah yeah and I believe you I don't think she did either He must have had something to do with something Oh no, she's already up. Whoa. Wow, whoa, Greg, whoa. These visuals are insane. Oh no, oh no.

What a flipperoo. Yeah, that's her younger self. this is right around the time where her mom died all this like supernatural stuff was all secondary in the first movie now it's all primary man is she about to watch her mom maybe looks like you're going to wild bill's house she must have figured out where he is why would she go alone because who's she going to take her husband he didn't seem to believe her unless she's having one of her

sleepwalking things well we saw her get up though who she see down there oh my god oh no oh no Greg oh no oh no oh no Oh, creepy. He wanted her to know.

He wants her to come in. She's going to go. Oh, my God, Greg. She wants to know the truth. That's insane. You look like your mother. Why is she in here? A kindness, really?

Oh, like, it's flesh. Kindness. That's what I can mention. My mom dreamed about Billy Show Walter, the paper boy. He was the first kid taken in our area. She figured out you took him, didn't she? Yep, so she saw down there. Isn't that obvious?

The kindness here. It's me showing you the truth before I do what I have to do. Greg. He posed as a magician last time, and now he's able to actually do some magical shit in a way. Abandon all hope, ye. Ye who enter here. Was it her mom hanging or something? Yeah.

She didn't kill her. You killed her! That's tragic. I did it in the home, too. This is different than a dream. I conjured this from my hate and from whatever memories hell let me keep. Hell is different than you think

they take the best parts of you, the human parts. Oh. Leave only the worst bits Only the sins I am a bottomless pit of sin Oh, so he's just a pure monster version

When you die in this realm I'd wake up Maybe But perhaps You just die Wow It's time to find out What do you think

Oh my God I think you would die Wow Now it's just like a snuff horror film Do you think she's lying in bed still? No, no. She's got to be, like, moving around the campuses or something. Hello? No, I think she's lying in bed still.

Because he was watching and we just saw her body get up this time. Oh, yeah, yeah. That call said you have to hide. And it sounded like her own voice. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, what are you doing? What are you doing? Stop.

Ah, oh, just a little jet. Oh, that's a bad sign. Oh, you got to wake her up. You got to wake her up. Gwen, wake up. What's wrong with her? Oh, a little helper, boys. The name for them.

Oh, they're going to show her where they are. Go back, Gwen. Go back to your body. Oh, we switched We switched camera Oh, so this is real Wow, skeleton No, no

No, wait until the storm's, oh, no Gwen, wake up, Gwen, wake up Run back to your body Don't go pick up that phone Picking up the phone never does any good, Greg Ugh, oh God, that's a nasty gash. It's a really good job

they did with it. It looks very good. Oh, naughty girl, Gwen. Fuck you with a dinosaur dick. What are you doing? If someone tries to take what I do... Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah, he's going down

in the ice. Greg. Oh, no, Greg. Oh, no. No. No, they literally picked the thing that I am, like, so afraid of. Greg. Oh, man. Oh, geez. Oh, geez.

Oh, my God. I just don't get how you would defeat him. Oh Got it Oh Oh Oh

Gwen Can you hear us Why is she What is Something from her dream book or something Is she dead? No, no she's Yeah, she's trying

She's thinking about how to do Yeah Fuck yeah That was very Stranger Things Yeah She's in a dream man She can control this

Go get Mondo You didn't bring me here I brought myself And I can leave when I want I understand now In a dream I have power too So

What are you doing Isn't it obvious I'm fighting back You grieve his best wound Oh This is so her movie See you later

Wild Bill Wake up later. Wake up. Now go get Mondo. Mondo! This is crazy. Greg.

This is nuts. Greg. It's really take a turn. I found Felix. You got to get him to warmth. You got to carry him inside, man. Mondo fell through the ice on Lake Maru. He's okay, but he found one of the missing boys in the water.

We're all going to start looking for the other two at dawn. We need your help. Not with that demon child out there. That demon child? She saved his life. I don't know. You know what? You want to be all yellow-bellied and barnsower.

Lock yourself in this room until it's safe. You go right ahead. She's a real cowgirl. But that ain't no kind of true Christian behavior. That's true, Bibb. You look long and hard at yourself, Barb. So it's like the last 20 minutes is going to be like them kicking his ass? Like a dream off?

I don't know. Because somebody's got to die, right? Yeah, I don't know. This is like such a strange sequel. I'm kind of processing this experience. Dad? Hey, kids. What are you doing here? You snowed in, so I call in favor.

We can finally get you the hell out of here. We have to stay. To find the boys. Our work here isn't done. He's after her, dad. He's... Who's he? Is this more dream stuff?

Dad, don't. She hasn't told them about the mom yet. Okay, we're getting out of here. Come on, let's go. I wonder if he learns the truth that it would motivate him. I don't think he'll believe her. He's going to kill you. Okay, and I can't stop him.

But we have a chance. You can't even. take care of yourself. You are just like fucking dad. Putting your head in the sand and numbing yourself into oblivion. Yep. Yeah. You've seen what he's been doing.

You're just ignoring it. Pretending you don't smell on him in his room in the backyard. Nark. You're just smoking your fucking life away to pretend none of this happened. It happened, Finn. And it happened to those kids. Shut up. Oh no.

Oh no. Shut up! Anything to feel for a few hours like what happened to you down in that basement wasn't real. That's what I said earlier. Are you don't think I don't know it was real? It's all I ever think about. You don't know what it was like down there. Nobody fucking knows. Man, that is really hard. I was so fucking scared. Aww.

Oh. God, I don't want to be angry anymore. Oh, that sucks, man. You're the bravest person I know. Oh. Oh, that was so nice. Go lull, sis. Okay.

If you really are in danger here, We need to leave. You're going to beat me? Take off your belt and whip me into the truck. See if it works. Just like your mother. Stubborn. You're so stubborn.

Right to the end, even in the face of reality. The end. Here he comes. Here he comes. Let me tell you about the end, dad. Mom didn't kill himself. Finn doesn't know this either. That's it.

Let's all get in the goddamn... No, no, wait, Gwen. What are you talking about? Yeah, there we go. Mom's dreams. She was dreaming about a missing kid, wasn't she? Talking about camp before she died. Why, you remember the camp?

Yeah, but, yeah, so, so? She found him long before he took Finn, and he saw her. Just happened to me in the neighborhood. He showed me that he killed her. What was the first thing you said when you saw mom? What? You asked her, what did you do? And you blamed yourself.

He said, I'd done. Boy. We were asleep when it happened when you found her. How else could I know what you said? Good proof, girl. And it wasn't hers. Oh, my. God.

The man who took Finn took her away from us because she was on to him. What a mind fuck. Because her dreams aren't just dreams. And neither are mine. I mean, the evidence is of Finding Finney. Damn, they really let that whole scene play out. It was like crazy. That was a whole bunch of scene work, man.

It was nuts. It was unbelievable. And the most impressive part, one time I was cast in a movie where I had to be that emotional when it was cold out. And it is so hard to get there when you're freezing. Your body can't focus on your emotions while you're struggling. like that those performances were i'm not doing so well it seems like they lent into the hard part of the cold of it yeah but it's so hard it's almost impossible to cry when you're cold i'm just scared he's going to kill me for real this time please don't bet that happen get us out of

your life keep talking to jesus baby girl it's a really nice complimentary sequel because she was doubted like by everyone in the last movie maybe it's but i can call her down too deep I was thinking the same thing. We should have seen him by now. It does seem a little coincidental that Wild Bill from the camp would also be like living a few blocks down from her when she's older. But there is a bit of a destiny quality to a lot of this. We don't know that he didn't move there on purpose. To be near her?

Yeah, I don't know. So Black Phone 3 is about it. They did know each other. It was in Colorado. It's all in Colorado. Very small state. Very small town. Colorado.

Population 500. Oh, no. Wait some help. Oh, no. The way that if she was asleep, I would be shoving her. Yeah, I'd be smacking her and everything. She accidentally fell asleep. Accidentally, my ass is right.

He pulled her in. Or she did it on purpose. She did on purpose because she wants to find them, Greg. That's what happened. Oh, Gwen, come on, babe. I love that he's a hockey player, ice skating. He's like chasing. Yeah, we heard he's good on skates.

There's some cool looking skates. Frozen over, like melted to his feet. Oh, no. Oh, she's soaking wet. That's Barb's husband. Yeah. Yeah. You think?

Good job, Phiddy. He's here. In case you guys didn't know, he's here. Oh, oh, oh, barb. Damn, Barb. I can't believe that you said that I'm desensitized to this stuff, and they decided to make this on the ice. Greg, I'm...

Oh, they'll be their victims. Yeah, for sure. Oh, you found him. Oh, freaky. No, he's gonna go in? No, no, no, no, no. Bad. He's coming through you.

Oh, shit. How the tables have turned. Ganeso, get her out of here. But it doesn't even help to get her out of here. He can do it. He can attack her in the dreams. I remember the feeling breathless, scared. The whole of the world starting to fade away.

Weird how it's like, his mouth is it matching. He's become a full-on monster. Just how big lives. Whoa, you could just feel it. Go help your brother. Oh, wow. Oh, grave, where is thy victory? Oh, death.

Where is thy state? Oh. Seventy zooms. Scripture. God's not here. You're alone. Ha, ha, ha. No.

I brought friends. The ghosts. Yeah. It is like souls from underneath, bringing him back down to hell. Little kids, yeah. Nice. The boys are found. You're powerless. Oh, he's so feral.

Oh, you're so fucked. The hell is in the flames, Bill. It's ice. It's ice. Woo-hoo. You don't scare me. He's starting to sell her yet the hawk. He said he don't want to be afraid anymore.

He grabbed his mask. Wow, he's made even more of a bitch in this world. Oh, what a... What a messed up, beautiful shot. There you go. It's like the strangest ghost rules I've seen in a movie. Oh. That's what meant by romantic, Greg.

Yeah, I picked up on that. Did Barb and her husband die? I don't think so. Where'd he go? The boys took him back to where he belongs. Yeah, they're all. The ghost is so physical and tangible. Hi, this is Amanda Rieges from Alpine Lake.

I'm calling the families. The reason I'm calling is I have some news about Calvin. Yeah, we finally found him. all started with that phone oh maybe we can get a closure call for mama what can you hear that she hears and he doesn't

wow yeah it's definitely the mom it must be for you then you gotta kill Ethan Hawk twice I can't believe it's gonna be her mom what is this gonna be mother daughter stuff really Fs me up Greg hello

hi sweetie aw don't mom yeah baby I don't have much time but it's me where are you You know where. It's beautiful here.

It is. Yeah. So beautiful. Just like you. I miss you, Mom. I miss you, too, sweetie. You saved those points. I didn't save anyone. Yes, you did. You set them free. They are able to rest. I have to ask you something.

Ask me anything. Will I always be this cursed? It's not a curse, baby. It was never a curse. I have to go. Brother, I love him. And then Robbins says high. Robin. Oh, Robbins in heaven.

Madeline McGrath. McRough. McRough. McRough, crushing. What a scene for her. If I'm Finn, I am so annoyed. You didn't put me on the phone for a second. There's so many shots in this movie where it starts off on a wide thing that goes, like, close to this intimate.

Robin says hi. Yeah, and I talked to our mom, and she's in heaven, bro. Kids! Time to go. We're going to move on. There's something kind of neat in Mason Tames willing to surrender the lead role. So what do you think of that are next to a boy? You can do a lot worse.

And Mustang girls seem pretty cute to me. Dad, please just drive. I was on the road. Just saying. Wow. what a strange ghost movie all right ladies and gentlemen we just watched the black phone two or no the they dropped the the the facebook they dropped the it's just black phone too we got to make that clear i don't want anyone coming at me being like gregg why'd you say the anyway prepper

i'm assuming you did a good job editing this considering it's up on youtube it's universal pretty hard our movie it's kind of a bitch to put together so i'm thinking you way in advance It's Greg from the future. Thank you for now. Now we got some questions from our Royal Reject, so of course we want to get to. But before that, I think it's very important. We give our own personal thoughts on the film first before diving deeper via you guys got in them review. Roxanne Josephine Stryer.

The middle letter is right. Jesus Stryor. Yeah. Yeah. Roxanne Jesus Stryor. That's me. I prefer if you call me. Azus.

Yeah. That's a call back. That's a call back. See what I did there? How do you feel? How do you feel? How do you feel? I, I'm really happy with this sequel.

Hell yeah. I think that there, I think a horror sequel at this day and age is actually one of the hardest genres to make a good sequel for. Because if you do your first movie right, then you, the stakes were super high and usually the bad guy dies. It's very, very difficult to not plan for a sequel and have a good sequel. So all that to say, they put themselves in a little bit of a corner because with Black Phone, I don't think they made Black Phone being like, we're for sure getting a sequel.

And then when they want to make a sequel, this was kind of the best way to do that. While I prefer the real threat of having the grabber actually there as opposed to Hell Grabber, I think that this was a really interesting follow-up, and I really appreciated focusing on Gwen's character this time, the ReaVille with the mom and the sibling dynamic, which as a person with an older brother and as a person with a dead mother, this movie in franchise very much so speaks to me, and I think that they did an excellent job of the dialogue in those moments

and also showing the thoughts. How did you feel? I feel like it is a thinker of a film in a positive way or in a yeah it was just so different than what I had no expectation because I didn't see the trailers intentionally right and I like that I didn't because it is it is so different yet is very much a continuation of the first one like the movie respects as audience to be like Like, you have to have at least have watched a recap before watching this movie because we're not going to really tell you what happened in the last film. And I really like the solid continuation of where we're picking up with the characters and it's still thematically involved in terms of execution and tone and even messing with the rules. It was, that was the part where I, I never questioned any of the rules or anything in the first black phone. but then I found myself kind of scratching my head at certain points here as we got into like the last half of the film and I'm impressed because it is such a deviation in terms of execution but there are times where like the griminess of it is like the ugliness of it I felt more when it was going to when it was going for ugliness you know I definitely know what you mean kind of like you saw the Halloween the zombie Halloween movies kind of like when Halloween 2 makes that leap to be like, we're going to be just, like, super ugly now.

And that was sort of when we were seeing, like, the kids actually getting killed. And then whenever we're in Gwen's weird ghost dimension vision, that was, because like in the first movie, that's when you're safe. Because she's uncovering the case. She's with the ghost. She's not actually traveling. So you're safe there. That's the heroic stuff. Now they flip that word.

That's the danger zone now when you're there. Because he died. yeah because that's where he lives now because that's where he can get to her yeah and they they change up the rules too where now she's like sleepwalking and she's actually living in it versus just being a an observer within it you know yeah i i'm with you that i found myself questioning at times especially when we make the decision where she doesn't actually have to be walking in real life to be walking in her dream yeah uh you know when we see that she's in bed and and then he has that line where she's like what do you think happens if i kill you here Yeah. She says, I wake up. He says, maybe or you die. And I think that was them letting us know, we know these rules are a little iffy. That's because we're in purgatory.

So different things, depending on what you believe and depending on what she believes and what dreams she's having is what can really take place. Yeah. Yeah. I think. Yeah. But, you know, overall, I still think, like you said, it's really hard to make a good horror movie sequel.

And this could have just been repetitive in a way that we. would have been because when I first heard they were making a sequel I'm like what the fuck's the sequel like what is he's kidnapped kid gets kidnapped again like what's the what's the movie and how's he then how's Ethan Hawk back like all all these questions were springing up in my mind that I was like I don't understand how this makes sense somehow they managed to do a sequel that that made sense and I kind of bought sometimes when they expand on backstory and a sequel I will sometimes be like that wasn't part of the original backstory was it like the whole thing with the mom i'm like i feel like that they made that up for this

movie yet i kind of liked it yeah you know i hear you with that i i thought it definitely worked for this um i have if we're nitpicking some of our ancillary characters i felt were unnecessary because i was really expecting us to be bringing people on board so we could kill people off and the fact that not one of our people died i think really was us setting up for a black phone three, and the fact that we really don't kill him fully and we send him down into the ice, I do think that this, this movie was more playing it a little safer, was a little more afraid than the first black film, which is weird because it, I kept feeling like it was going, that's my biggest criticism of my subjective experience with it, is I kept feeling like,

oh, now it's going to ramp up, right, now it's going to get really horrifying, and it reached a point where I'm not really scared of this guy now. And it was around the time when Gwen does, like, you know, 11 him in the phone booth. You would, yeah. And then, oh, she can do that. Then we're fucking fine. Then, like, everything's going to be all right. If it's about the power of her mind knowing it's a dream, then we knew we would be fine.

Yeah. And so I'm kind of with you there. I really, I don't always say this, but, like, I really wish we killed some bitches off. Like, I would have had a sense of. Yeah, of fear because we didn't actually see him take anybody down. No. And even the way the response, after they're all learning and dumping all the exposition with the crucifix behind them, there seemed to be a weird pace to it where I thought like, this is when we should really be like, if I was you guys, I'd be fucking just nonstop terrified because this could happen at any moment. And it seemed to kind of slow down instead.

Yeah. Because it's the weird thing about the movie that I thought did so strong is clear. they know and love their main characters a lot so the writing of them is really well thought out so solid like with with finny uh i really love i was saying it during the reaction how he went from this kid in the first movie where it ends on a positive note like he goes to school people are like yeah that's fucking the guy who killed the grabber and he's kind of cool and then to start off on this note where he's now being the aggressive bullier, sort of

but he's traumatized and escaping him, become sort of forming into what his dad was, sort of. And Matt and Madeline McGrath, what's her name again in this movie? Gwen? Yeah. Gwen in the last movie, she never really got the recognition

she deserved. You know, the cops were never like, that girl really does she thinks, like they never really gave her the credit. So it makes sense that she was still kind of being this whole isolated thing And for a story about feeling isolated, then to do it in the most isolated type of location. There's a lot of really cool themes to it. Right.

And so character-wise. And then, like, my favorite scene in the movie is just when the mom, I mean, the dad and the brother and sister, they're just in this triangle. That was the best. Having this really long, dramatic confrontation scene. And they let it breathe. They really did. you know what I'm going from my favorite scene and your favorite scene which I love to the something that didn't pay off the barb line when what's her name is like when a Mustang's like don't pretend like you didn't see some weird things go down here and you think that we're going to hear from Barb and Homeboy who never maybe got a name yeah kind of what that was about and I kept wondering where that was going to come into play and I wonder if I wonder if that's a black phone three play but it's like so were you guys campers were you

counselors what did you see what went down why did you guys decide to stick around here why are you like this now that I just think that though something must been caught on the left on the cutting room floor because they were useless characters and then at the end of the day they didn't even save the day like they finally we full circle that they do show up but they were useless yeah and so I'm curious what the point of other than for comedic relief and to show our character

stand up for herself Gwen, why was Barb and hubby there? They're just employees but they didn't really serve something bigger. I thought I felt like there was things they set up that we

toyed with of like supernatural elements religious elements that like for some reason I didn't feel like we fully met its potential of what we could explore and like especially with her who's such a zealot you know at this camp right maybe they would lean into that or in some fucking shit right some kind of she believes in the devil but then yeah that you know she you never know what you don't know and be more open minded and say any kind of reconciliation with how she treated gwen for all of this

stuff like uh and honestly i i liked the character of musting but that wasn't fully realized either No, no, no. When we, at the end, we get a throwaway line about her being cute and the dad asking if, but I just think our new, we added new characters and only one of them mattered and it was the guy that you love. Damien Bashir. What was his name? But then the thing that threw me off, though, was when in the next scene with the snowman and he's like, almost thing. And he doesn't seem that scared. I'm like, however you guys not terrified, right?

It just, it was throwing me off in the second half of the movie. I completely agree. but at least he got a full arc where he had a purpose and his purpose was to find these boys and he gets to make that phone call in the end. And so I felt like his character had purpose and was useful for plot development and I like him as a performer. Yeah. The other three, I'm like, what actually were you doing here? Because you didn't move the plot and the performers did a great job. It's nothing to do with the actors.

The actors did great. I just think there was another draft here or it's a play for a sequel because otherwise, why are we bringing people on not to kill them off and not to develop? Yeah, I feel like there was probably, there's a lot of, there was a lot that didn't fully coales. Like that's just the, like the experience in and of itself is a good experience. Absolutely. I think the immediate experience has a cool dread to it. The, all the nightmare scenes and things that totally are like nightmare on Elm Street. The setting.

Cool. The setting's cool. The acting is just phenomenal. The music is phenomenal in this as well. Not just the soundtrack, but the score. yeah yeah it seemed like this is a weird thing to say it seems like it was more interested in like our main character's character development which is exceeds in uh then but then it doesn't fully complement the some of the horror aspects i think so yeah it's good but i feel like we're going to dive a

little bit more into it with some of these questions that i did purview a little bit so uh let's kick it off then do you want to read the first one yeah thank you to our patrons who submitted of these questions. We really appreciate you guys. This is coming from Residence Z. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I can't wait to see it with both Roxy and Redacted. That's me. Yeah. Thank you Redacted for being here. Of course. I do have a question, though. I do know the movie is a bit of a change from the first movie and leans more towards the supernatural. How do you feel about that change? And are you hesitant when a movie changes the tone? Not sure if that's the right word that made the previous movie so well liked example evil dead versus evil dead too being more

comedy how do you feel greg i think it's a brilliant choice that was one of the choices i loved about it is they the the supernatural stuff is is really secondary like the in the first movie the first movie is a classic story of this guy kidnapping children and this kid is kidnapped and now it's a hostage situation and then you know those ghosts are communicating through this phone and my sister has premonitions so or not premonitions but can communicate in some weird way and then this one completely flips that where that is so much at the forefront and they're leading with that this time you know like even with finny going around and he keeps getting the calls from the kids he's like i'm not i'm busy right now i can't answer this call and and uh and then it's

it's mainly gwen's pov that we're seeing this in and her whole thing is coming to terms with accepting that this thing is not a curse it's a gift so i think it was a great choice to do that does the movie fully you know exceed in in that realm i don't feel like it does but it's got enough sequences that i thought were chilling and emotionally gripping enough to warrant like uh like if i put on black phone one i will put on black phone two probably the next day or something to to finish the story i will continue Continue. I wouldn't say that with a lot of movies. A lot of movies, I'm like, maybe I'll get around to the sequel on my rewatch.

But if I put on Black Phone 1, I'm going to want to complete it with Black Phone 2. I think that's a testament to Black Phone 1 as well, though. You just want to stay in that world and keep watching. Resonance, I think that you have one of three choices when you're making this sequel. Number one, you decide to have a copycat killer and it's not Ethan Hawk and you have another situation where there's a hostage. number two, you retcon and Ethan Hawk doesn't die or somehow he wasn't actually dead

or number three, he did die and if you're going to go with he did die Supernatural is the only way that you go with this and I think that one and two would have been such a disservice to this franchise so that you have to go with three and if you have to go with three, then you need to lead an into the supernatural.

So I think it was very smart to do that even though this movie isn't as strong as the first one because of that, it's the strongest that a sequel could be to make that choice. Oh, absolutely. Good answers, Roxy. Jaden Rhodes. Jadam Rhodes, I watched this in theaters a few weeks back.

The thing that stuck me the most besides how amazing Ethan Hawke is, is the amazing actor from the sister. She blew me away, but I'm curious. Do y'all have a favorite performance in the movie, and do you like it better than the first? Because I think this movie clears the first by a mile. Glad you feel that way. I think the first is a better movie.

Favorite performance? I mean, it's definitely Madeline McGraw. It's her movie. That would be my favorite performance. She was amazing in this, but I also think that Mason did such a phenomenal job, especially at that triangle scene. I'm genuinely telling you it is like,

and anybody who has ever been outside knows this. When you are cold like that, your body is shut down. And they are breathing cold air. I don't know what the actual temperatures were where they shot, but it looked like they were genuinely freezing. It is so hard to pull at that performance.

And when he is saying, I don't want to be angry anymore, I don't want to be afraid anymore. I thought that that performance, her performance is amazing throughout. That scene stole the movie for me and he stole the scene. It was so good.

Yeah. He's great in it. You know, like watching, rewatching stranger things reminding me about like, oh yeah when some of these kids grew up I didn't like some of their acting as much like I'm not gonna say who

and these two kids got better with age yeah and they were great to start and like when you're watching Blackphone 1 I forgot how amazing Mason is in that movie he's incredible and he carries that movie and everyone talks about Ethan Hawk because it's Ethan Hawk but that is really Mason's movie and to do this sequel

where the kids all grown up and everything and a lot of times they don't remain good you know it happens a lot we've seen it and uh like they only know how to play at that certain age and this guy's had to grow up in real life and they they lean into that with his character and I think he does an excellent job but yeah Matt and it's cool that he was willing to play supporting in coming back even though I think he's still top billed he's willing to play supporting here and I feel like the way he is manila McGrath carried this one she did she had to earn you have to earn that if you're going to be the new lead and she really does carry and hold the

strength and I like the flippant dynamics between them she isn't as famous as he is and that's kind of weird because she is as good as he is I hope her name gets out there like crazy I hope this movie does something for her the way how black phone did for him and Ethan Hawke I don't feel like he has anywhere near as much screen time in this one I feel like he was having a lot of fun yes in this one he seemed like he was having a bit more fun it seemed like he shows up to just you know I don't know he's playing an entity this time he's not really playing a human character like the first movie you feel the psychology of this you know serial killer kidnapper and versus here he's he's just playing demonic presence you know like he's got the revenge in him but he definitely doesn't feel as much of like it's where they name him in this movie he's bill yet i feel like you know bill better in the first man and this one you just know totally the graphic I agree with that. I wonder if the third one

will kind of focus more on Bill and what that transition is and kind of why he started doing that. Yeah. He's still good in the movie. Oh, yeah, he's really good. I thought it was very cool in Coy's interview with our two leads here

when they were talking about Ethan on set and just saying the kindest things about how he treats everybody also. I just, you know, you don't really hear bad things about Ethan Hawke. And I think that it's awesome that you mentioned Mason's willing to take a backseat to Madeline.

Ethan Hawke is willing to take a backseat to both of them and be in a mask for 99% of the movie. And he is by far, he is an A-List celebrity famous. So, yeah, I think that's so cool. And is one of his most famous characters now. Yeah. Roxy. Beast Game Contestant number five.

Who do you think one through four were? How do you guys feel about the second film? I love the dramatic scenes, but I don't think much the characters were flushed out before, were flushed out enough for me to care about them. Even when it came to the brother

who was played by the same actor in the first film, and it seems like they only killed the ones that wouldn't have impact. I guess they did, do you? Who? We didn't see them again. No, we saw them walk at the end.

Barb, we did? Oh, okay. Well, there you go. I thought we did. We saw four people walk at the end. I don't remember. I don't care enough to know. If we saw them, I mean,

we saw them struggling on the ground, but we didn't get, like death scenes. Okay, anyway, but why is the grabber only trying to kill people later on in the film if he can touch them in the real world and how is it possible for Finney to touch him when he's not physically there? Greg? Well, this is when ghost, this is what I was kind of talking about when I was watching it.

It was the second, that's why I was saying I'd be utterly terrified if I was them because it wasn't like some ritual or, you know, like, oh, at this certain time of the moon, the grabber comes out like he just came out at random and he could come out at random at any time and it seemed weird that they weren't like hyper aware of that when they walk in and she's being like flung around this room and she's about to be torched by fire and it did strike me as odd of like why is he like waiting for two to see like what there's there's there's so much waiting that he's doing and part of the toying around didn't feel like naturally

weaved in and that's why I kept feeling like it's ramping up to something that it never quite ramped that didn't quite fully exceed and then yeah at the very end it just started feeling like this is super easy like there's this whole thing

of in the first movie where Finney has to like overcome so much in order to go against the grammar he's got to be methodical and take him down and learn to fight and all this shit and here it just seemed like why does it seem easier to take him out now that he's a like demonic ghost why it's it seemed like this should be impossible but they made it seem so much

easier this time in that one scene where she's lying down and then he cuts her on the arm and that's when she starts bleeding and we know that it actually affects how she is in the real world even if she's not moving yeah what i'm talking about if he was there and they can touch him how come when they like reached out to her he wasn't there so yeah there's a lot of moments where I'm like, I don't feel like it was fully dialed in about how ghost rules worked. But I think that that's kind of the case with a lot of, like, sometimes I feel that way about Freddie. Sure. Where it's like, hmm, how does this work?

And I think a lot of it is about people's minds and what you believe. And I think that maybe he didn't try to kill people earlier because she hadn't found him yet. So he had to, like, show himself to her for. I wish there was just a moment made out of it when Finney actually does fight back. It kind of just seemed like he fought back and he did it and he figured out where like the body's located and stuff. I agree. So when he's like up in his end and whispering, part of what it finds like, I'm sure you can take a good guess. But yeah, it's like little things like that, which might seem minute.

You saw him like feel up the body until he grabbed the head. But yes, I agree. I agree. And it would have been cool if that there was a realization of like, oh, because I've seen you before, I can see, I can, I know what you're like. I know where you are, something. Well, in the first movie, they all, you really only have to focus on Mason Tame's arc. And in this one, they're introducing new rules and they're trying to give arcs to multiple characters this time. Including the dad.

Including the dad. And that, and part of me also do, did feel like, because the dad was just a horrible moment. monster to them in the first movie. I know. And like now we're supposed to forgive them. Yeah. And I feel like there should have been some type of tension of like you think just because you're sober now, we can forgive you. Like I think there was a line that kind of implied that, but I didn't really feel that tension. You know, so certain things like that. So I feel like they might have been spread a little too much with how much they wanted to accomplish for everything to be felt 100%. But yeah, I do. I did find myself getting a little pulled out because I love the

first scene when the grabber does take her and he's swinging her around her because i was like holy shit like this is this is an impossible mission yeah uh and then somehow it started it because he's he can like take her to memories and shit like that he's got all these crazy gifts it should have been uh i don't feel like it should have been a we just pull bodies up and we we punch you now you're down that didn't feel fully earned at the end it should be like a weird kind of thing they got a they should be a fire to fight ice or something yeah complication you know because yeah then going back to the rules you're like I didn't even think about it till you said it of when she first gets dunked in the water water

rushes over her right and the finale but then in the end she's like swimming underneath and grabbing bodies why isn't she like drowning in the physical sense so when the movie's setting up rules I think it's okay to question the rules when when the movie itself is presenting these things you know but I Anyway, getting hung up and trying to explain it makes it seem like I don't like the movie. I know, that's sometimes a problem with movies that have ghost rules or this kind of thing is you're not supposed to think about it too hard or things crumble. Sometimes I'm like, yeah, you know, I think some movies do flesh it out. And I think this is the, when the first movie doesn't present any questions like that, I feel like that, why is the second movie now doing that?

But anyway, I agree. Maghabilita Catheria, just watched this weekend and many was this film an amazing sequel. It really does a great job dealing with trauma from multiple viewpoints. Was there a character you felt the most connected to based on how they dealt with their trauma? I actually felt connected to Gwen and her need to find someone who she could simply talk to. I was really mad at her about that. What? When she told Homeboy her brother's secret.

You know, and she's like, I have to talk to somebody. And it's like, this is why therapy is so important. and you can tell you my brother and my sister and I all know the rules anything they tell me I can say to my therapist

you can't keep me from telling my therapist I won't tell anybody else in our life I'm not not telling my therapist I need to and so yeah I just I felt like

she was allowed to tell her truth but not his that he was still taking the phone calls and whatnot anyway though I do think that that's what this movie did the strongest I felt connected

very connected to the Gwen mom stuff what it would be like to be able to talk to your mother to experience what she did. And then the end phone call, I thought that was so beautiful. I felt really connected to Finn and Gwen and Finn trying to let go of that anger.

So I think that, you know, different moments for different people when it had to do with the real life and familial dynamics. Mm-hmm. Who are you? I mean, they're all pretty relatable. I would guess I would say

Finn in this one as someone who's dealt with so much anger and underneath that anger is really hurt and fear and it's the one I would connect with the most My answer's way shorter I'm just going to keep it really brief Yeah keep it at that

Gets us out of here on an earlier time It's fucking late as hell So yeah Sorry I'll stop talking so much Yeah stop being in depth And giving our patrons answers they deserve to hear All right let's just take two more than call it today

These are fun ones Read it from Hunter Hunter Hunter Preston with the last release of Nightmare on Elm Street being over a decade ago Black Phone 2 fills the void

that franchise has left Would you like to see the grabber returned into the new dream demon if they decide to continue the franchise This was something that you referenced several times throughout And I had just seen all of the nightmare movies So obviously it was fresh in my mind as well

do you want this Greg they would have to up the the threat of the character because even though Freddie gets defeated it doesn't

actually no he sometimes gets defeated I think you would have to do something you would probably venture off into a very different realm because what this movie has is grounded characters and fucking

you know facing trauma and real emotional shit and psychology to to contend with and then Doug Like the situations with the grabber are like a plot thing to force main characters to face his psychological problems. And I think if you did go full out like that with him, you would get a very different kind of film. I don't really want a Black Phone 3, honestly.

Really? I don't feel like we should do it. I don't think we need to. I kind of feel like we desperately need it after this. Why? Because I think it might make this movie stronger. because why did we introduce Mustang? This is why?

Because of Mustang and Barb and not just that. Why didn't we deal with whatever Barb had seen previously back in the day? Why are these characters still living? What does happen now that he's down in the ice just the same that he was before? Like, what's to keep? I know he lost his power because those three kids were found, but what about all of the other kids? Like, what was his life?

between doing this and up until we found him. And I think there's more to reveal with the sibling dynamic. I kind of want to dive deeper into the father and like, is he really redeemable after what he did and what does that look like and what does the relationship look like? And yeah, I just think there's a lot more questions that this didn't answer and I'm cool with it not answering if it answers more things than the third one. I don't really know if that would... I guess I just can't see, like, a compelling enough plot that would do that.

And would it be the grabber back for revenge once more? And how many times can you do that unless the grabber wins? If the grabber wins, that would be pretty cool. Have you not seen every single franchise with... I know, but we don't need to go down the path. I feel like either we should have stopped at, one or we should go down the path either i don't feel like i don't feel like you can have this family back if you bring it back because like it's like you want the family back to to get that and then you know

some have questions about the grabber in between which is like a saw movie at that point but i think you would have to have only one or the other you would have to have family in this world but then people want grabber or then you do a different one about the grabber but not these And then in 15 years, you could bring the family back? Yeah, when they're like... Lori Stroh's style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Madeline's all old and shit.

That'd be cool. Cool. Madeline, old 30s. Yeah, it's in 15 years. Fucking old-ass actress right there. Dead to Hollywood. Last one for the day. Nah, let me preview.

Do the first. If you're holding that ominous black phone and the black phone, too, I could call one person from your past. To help you face your nightmare, who you call and why? what does a person from here past mean i think you can mean anything you don't like talk to them anymore they're dead you can call your mom yeah but i i would do that just i don't know what you would call her for like help me out with this i don't think that you would help me but you know if i get a phone that i can call anybody with that's who i'm calling not for help but just to hear

yeah i don't i mean like what's my nightmare my anxiety my heart like my visit from the cardiologist yeah did it did you have that next one yeah i went to the cardiologist so if i called my dad and be like what'd you do wrong the last one talked you're waiting you're gonna talk to you're wrong because uh i need to make sure i don't do the same thing you did uh yeah i don't know who i would call i'd call um uh david henry from eighth grade well i feel like that's hysterical check out the interviews. I feel like the truth for your answer is you'd call Olivia because she would

figure it the fuck out. She's not from my past though. What do you mean? Yes, she is. What do you mean? Somebody in your present can still be, she's part of your past. Wow, you're really stretching the rule here. You know what he means. I don't. Actually, no, you don't do it based off the way you're

answering that. Your past, you're like someone who you don't talk to anymore. Someone you don't know anymore. That's why they're in your past. Well, a lot of people in my past are in my present. Of course.

Once you leave this room here in my past. So would you call me or no? No. I wouldn't think you apply to this question. All right. So only dead people are people that you exed. Yeah. I call my ex-girlfriends.

You wouldn't. No, I don't want to talk to them. Because they're a bunch of better people than me. So that. I'd call Roxy's exes. They're not from your past. Give me the deets. You've taken this as such a weird place.

I thought you're calling me to face a nightmare. Nope, just want some deets. What happened? What's the hot guys? What went down? Why do you sound like Yogi Barrow when you do it? Don't know what did it happen? That's our bro's talk, right?

Hey, bro. What's up, man? You lift whites. Tell me what happened with New York Ex-Golvent. I'm stuck downstairs in the basement. All right. I think that answers the question for you, guys. What do you think of Black Phone, too?

If these comments are anything, that means everyone loves it and thinks it's better than the first one. Wait. Well, he literally got Beast games. How is this question? He's one out of several. I love this movie and prefer it.

I just think you said everyone and beast game's a person. Oh, God, I forgot how fucking pedantic you are. Literally. I'm literally literal. You know. All right, guys. Well, what would you rate black foam too? Do you want another one?

Do you want the grabber to keep grabbing people? Leave your thoughts down below. Roxy, glad you did this with me. Yeah, hell yeah. Yeah, hell yeah. And we'll see you guys too with Peace Reject Nation.