The Reel Rejects - Extended Version: DEXTER SEASON 5 Episode 11 & 12 REACTION!! Michael C. Hall | Julia Stiles | Dexter Resurrection

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Starting point is 00:00:27 This week's video is sponsored by Acorns. money app that makes it simple and cheap to make small yet significant investments. Citizens of the Reject Nation, we have made it. We're on the penultimate episode and the finale of season five. John, this is it. This is it. Oh my God. I'm not ready. I'm not either. Once again. I have really enjoyed it. Yeah, this has been a terrific season of TV. Anyways, as we do at the beginning of everything that we do here on the Real Rejects, we check in to see. how we are feeling. So John, the bangering Humphrey, the bang to my flash. Sorry.

Starting point is 00:01:06 How are you feeling, did it? I'm all right. I'm all right. I'm all right. I'm a little bit bad, but a bit jumbled up, as you can tell. It's been a, you know, just kind of busy morning. But I am excited to hop back in it. There's been a minute in, you know, the real time of the channel since we shot 9 and 10. So I'm excited and, yeah, nervous to see how this all wraps up. This is been such a fascinating season. How are you, sir? I'm good. I thought It was next to Porky Pig in the Looney Tunes or something there. Yeah, but I am doing great. I am just shot a couple episodes of another TV show earlier today, and that went well.

Starting point is 00:01:41 Aside from that, I've been trapped on a toilet, what seems to be most of the day, so be careful of those late-night Wendy runs. Get that spatter on that. Yeah, that's what I was doing. I was doing my dark passenger, detective mode, Batman and Dexter. Exactly, my Duke passenger. More like my Doom passenger, but, yeah. So I'm curious to see what we got in store here

Starting point is 00:02:02 Because this has been an emotional season to say the least And I know it's viewed upon as not on the top echelon As the Dexter as most people would say But I think John and I would agree It's been great So let's see how it unfolds Anyways full length reaction where you sync up with your own copy Janizio and myself are watching it on Amazon Prim via showtime

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Starting point is 00:04:02 And we are going to get into season five, episode 11 in three. Two. Hop a freighter. The future. We appreciate you fitting us in. We wanted to thank you for your phone call regarding Alex Tilden. It was really helpful. We followed up immediately.

Starting point is 00:04:30 We went to his house, but it looked like we had just missed him. Savage. Oh, that's unfortunate. Yeah, it is because he seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. I see. Like Cole Harmon. And Boy, Val. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah, him too. All your boys. Now, I keep asking myself, what's the connection? What do these three people have in common? You. Ah. You're what they have in common, you. Oh, here it comes.

Starting point is 00:04:54 Why don't you just... Save us a lot of time and tell us what that connection is. It's ridiculous that you think I have anything to do with this. I gave you my DNA. I gave you my DNA. You took it. Your DNA wasn't found on any of the barrel girls. That's correct.

Starting point is 00:05:12 So all this right here is a colossal waste of my time. Doesn't mean you ain't involved. So you can keep fooling everybody in your little seminars, but I'm on to you. You're obsessed with me. Why are you so obsessed with me? I think a barrel girl got away It's something I can help you with And now she's hunting down the people that took her

Starting point is 00:05:28 And people all around you are dropping like flies Sharp as attack tab Yeah She'll have powered him in that one I'll be fine I got a lot of security Don't say I didn't warn you And she's like

Starting point is 00:05:41 I might not legally be able to take you down But Lumen and my brother Who I don't know about will Stairs Locked from the inside Yeah But you know how to pick locks This is weirdly charming

Starting point is 00:05:53 Yeah, it is planning the demise of an evil person. Well, in a classic kind of scene, like, ooh, we're doing the diagram of the plan. It actually is adorable. I really am admiring. So, we have to figure out a way to get him to come out. He's everything he needs up there. Not everything. Oh, not girls.

Starting point is 00:06:15 Me. He wants me. Use me as bait. There's got to be a way to use me as bait. Ugh. It worked with Cole. I'm not going to use you as bait. It's too dangerous.

Starting point is 00:06:26 You know I can do this. Oh, he's emotionally compromised now, Donald. Yeah, I do. I saw you kill Alex Tilden, but we have to be extra careful. Jordan has more than just our eyes on him. He's got the Miami PD? The police. My sister.

Starting point is 00:06:40 I'm so sorry that I put you in this position, having to lie to her like that. I don't like it, but it's not the first time. Yeah. Oh, I mean... She's never suspected anything? All the time, think. I don't know. Maybe Deb has a blind spot.

Starting point is 00:06:53 it comes to me got it like i'm taking advantage of her but it's for the best she's not like us she's not like us oh crap and no is that peter weller it's got to be peter weller right the hell yeah definitely got to be peter weller there's a camera in the room

Starting point is 00:07:15 the baby monitor is picking up the signal somebody's watching Woof, hate that. Tense. Jordan has to be behind this. Close by. Wireless cameras have a limited range. I don't know. A van.

Starting point is 00:07:31 The white van? A motor home. Yeah, I was going to say, a lot of options. A van. One of the best options is to leave a like on this video, though, and comment down below. We want to pick the engagement of the views up on these so that we can do the whole show. Share the video, please. It would be a big help, much appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:07:48 To all the Dexter fans out there That you know Because honestly this is one of my favorite things we do here Yeah, no, I look forward to do it for me Do it for John guys It could be anywhere This is a great tense You know

Starting point is 00:08:03 He's really out of sorts right now Just so disoriented Yeah You coming in? I'm gonna grab something from my car Be right up Yeah, I gotta throw this dude in the trunk Drive it off the pier

Starting point is 00:08:17 What are doing here? My union appeal's been denied. I'm now officially terminated. What? I need your help on a bust. Something big, something big enough to make him stand up and take notice. Something big enough to make him. Give me my job back on the police.

Starting point is 00:08:31 Dexter? Oh, shit, Dexter. Your boy, Dexter. What are you doing? Didn't you hear me, Quinn? I'm not a cop anymore. Now, I need a cop to make this bust. No, forget it.

Starting point is 00:08:42 Yeesh. You up to your ass and alligators with this thing, whether you like it or not. So you're going to make this bus. I said, I'm going to call you. You best come running. Oh, God. This dude's like a plague. He will not go.

Starting point is 00:08:57 He will not go away. No. What are you in the mood for? I'm thinking seafood. It's a perfect night to grill. Eh. Harrison's baby monitor made it easy to pinpoint where this was hidden, but the bigger problem remains.

Starting point is 00:09:14 What exactly has Jordan heard? And where are those recordings? Oh, right, he went down and used... One second thought, let's go out to... But he used Quinn's name, right, to get that? Yeah. And he's going to use that tag to find out and sit... Oh, the shit he checked out, yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:33 Oh, no, you knew it was your boy. Why would somebody from the police department bug your apartment? I don't know. There's a serial number on the camera. I'll go in tomorrow and find out who checked it out. I don't understand. He's going to think it's Quinn. Because, remember?

Starting point is 00:09:46 Oh, yeah. Peter Weller used Quinn's name. Oh, yeah. What are you talking about? She has this theory about vigilantes hunting down the rats. So you think she planted cameras? No, it's not her. I know it could be anyone.

Starting point is 00:09:59 Oh, Jesus. This is going to pee a collision right now. But how could they be on to us? Been so careful. I don't know yet. The one good thing is that no one has seen those recordings yet. How do you know? Because we haven't been arrested.

Starting point is 00:10:14 Jordan is going to get away with everything and we're going to be arrested. We don't know that. Sometimes that's how it goes. It can't end this way. It's not going to. It's only episode 11. Sonia, everything all right? Everything is great.

Starting point is 00:10:27 Astor and Cody are spoiling Harrison, silly. Aw. Harrison's birthday party. Of course, right. Ugh. Master and Cody can't wait to see you. Oh, God. I'm going to see them too.

Starting point is 00:10:41 Oh, God. I hate this. Sonia, we're going to have the party in Orlando. Oh. It's easier. Then making everyone drive down here. Perfect. Yeah, that'd be good.

Starting point is 00:10:53 Bye. Remember that muddy female blueprint outside of Tilden's house? Oh, shit. Oh, no, looming, right? Yeah. It has a twin. Founded outside the vacant house next door.

Starting point is 00:11:08 The dining room was spotless, and I mean, recently cleaned kind of spotless, unlike the rest of the house. Oh, God. My shnaz also detected the smell of bleach. Super Smella. One more day in the smell would have dissipated. My guess, the vigilante brought your missing banker over and often right there in the dining room.

Starting point is 00:11:27 Way to go, Vince. Did I hear the word vigilante? There's a theory I was keeping to myself. It's out there, but we may have a vigilante on our hands. You've had a vigilante in your hands the last five seasons. I sent Masuka over to Tildens to see if he could comb for any evidence that a homicide had taken place. Keep going. Please don't.

Starting point is 00:11:45 There are 13 DVDs. Oh, God. That one of the barrel girls escaped, and now she's after the men that abducted her. How is that even possible? The barrel girls are all slight of build. Maybe she had help. Yeah, maybe he got a lot of help.

Starting point is 00:11:59 A man, someone she trusts, someone who cares about her, father, a brother, husband, boyfriend. Oh, my God. Deb, you're kind of on the money. Detective Joseph Quinn checked out the cameras, three cameras, to be exact. Two microphones, a recorder, only three days.

Starting point is 00:12:16 days ago, maybe no one's seen the footage yet. Oh, I hate it. Oh, God. Freaking, ugh. Case number, it's from 1982. When Quinn was in grade school eating paste. It's a fake. Oh, good. Well, that's nice.

Starting point is 00:12:29 No court orders authorized for my address. This is off the books. Dude, fun. Nicely done. I go find Peter Weller. Yeah, but he has no idea. I mean, you only met Peter Weller for that one moment. Uh, who is this guy?

Starting point is 00:12:42 Quinn, my sister's partner. Oh, wow. Woof. Woof. Are they close? It used to be. This is so strange. Anything of us?

Starting point is 00:12:54 No, just a cat. I really love this rapport. Cute. Oh, shit. It's going to drive this home more. Yes. He's been watching this for weeks. Shit.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Bad. Shit. This is so bad. We have to find the digital source. Right. Find the recording equipment. You better close that closet door. I don't know anything.

Starting point is 00:13:26 Of course I should have. Why is that? I mean, I was very naive, but now it all makes sense. Those week-long fishing trips used to take. He was an evil bastard. He called it his man time. But of course, that has a whole other meaning now. Ooh.

Starting point is 00:13:41 He kept me completely in the dark about his whole closeted gay life. What? I mean, why didn't he just tell me? No. It's a lot worse than that. We have information which leads us to believe your husband wasn't in fact gay. What do I have put that? He was linked to a series of...

Starting point is 00:14:01 It's worse. That's worse. Way worse. I wish he was gay. Yeah. Who is this man I married? Oh, poor thing. Do any of these names sound familiar?

Starting point is 00:14:13 Boyd Fowler? Cole Harmon. No. I don't know them. Alex told him. She'll know Jordan Chase. Jordan Chase. Jordan Chase? Yes.

Starting point is 00:14:21 He's famous. Everyone knows him. That's two-man sailing team, Dan Mandel, and Eugene Greer. Jordan Chase is Eugene Greer. Ooh. Or he used to be. Dan knew him when they were kids. It was a really big deal to him.

Starting point is 00:14:35 That's her connection. Bingo! Got him. That ties Jordan directly to each. Oh, Dexter's going to hear this. Debs closing in on Chase. Quinn's close. Closing in on me.

Starting point is 00:14:47 Oof. Time's running out for both of us. Our time is running out. Dude, this is emotionally intense. Yeah. Wondering if you want to go with me to Orlando on Sunday for Harrison's birthday. Oh, boy. I do, but...

Starting point is 00:15:04 You have other plans with Quinn? What, no, it's... Quinn's the last person that you'd want to have there. Oh, so it's over? Yes. Hmm. Do you don't have to tell me? He lied to me about something.

Starting point is 00:15:17 Must have been something big. Dude, I'm waiting for Deb to find out this secret. He lied to me about you. Oh. Me? What do you mean? Colin had this. Oh, God. Idiot notion.

Starting point is 00:15:30 You were somehow connected to Rita's death. Ooh. Ugh. Yeah. Why didn't you tell me? Because you've been through enough. I just found out. When he finally told me, I felt so betrayed.

Starting point is 00:15:46 because... Wait till you find out the real truth. Yeah. As much as I don't want to admit it, I really care about it. Oh. Care, present tense. Yeah. It's complicated, remember?

Starting point is 00:15:58 Yeah. God I knew him, and he kept telling me he loved me. There's just too much here. She's finding out this episode or next. Have somebody like that. You know, you don't lie to somebody that you're close to. You have their back. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:16:13 Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What they're doing takes devotion To kill someone together That's some pretty serious shit Is that what Lumen and I have Serious shit Absolutely

Starting point is 00:16:22 Yes sir He's risking his life He's putting everything On the line To make what happened to her right It's cathartic As crazy as that sound What word would you use

Starting point is 00:16:33 To describe that but love Romantic Yeah What is Quinn after What does he want with us He doesn't want us He wants me When are they going to see Peter

Starting point is 00:16:45 Weller. After me, before we even met, I didn't mean for you to get caught up in this. You tried that once before, remember? That was different. Minnesota? Eh. For good. Just until I deal with this.

Starting point is 00:17:01 Oh, he wants to tell her so bad he loves her. Deal with it, how? I don't know, whatever needs to be done. Ugh. I appreciate the offer, but... I refuse. Going anywhere. Women is getting dangerous.

Starting point is 00:17:13 Getting dangerous? I'm not walking away, we're a team. That ship's in the marina. We have serious ship. Makes the dream work. Maybe we should both take off. You know, a cruise ship. Hop a freighter.

Starting point is 00:17:27 Steal a tugboat. Steal a tugboat. That's the next episode's name, right? Yeah, yeah. These are trilogy of transpo-related titles. You said that you didn't want me to leave. I could also see the next episode, name being Take It. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:17:42 I fucked up. I know. Yeah. I do dumb things. I'm a dumb guy. Yeah. The one thing I did right is to get you to almost like me. Oh.

Starting point is 00:17:53 Because I really love you. Don't quite. No. I mean it. Oh. There aren't many women like you. It's so true. Deb's one of a kind.

Starting point is 00:18:03 You're more a guy. A guy? You don't play games where I have to figure out what it is you're really thinking. Yeah, she's very direct. Yeah. Usually with a lot of really filthy work. I've never heard. You're the first woman who's ever called me on my bullshit.

Starting point is 00:18:21 Love a real one like Deb. It made me take a hard look at myself. It's made me a better person, I think. It really has. He's grown and involved a lot. Not only has John Declan a request for another interview, but he just booked a multi-city speaking deal in Europe. Ugh.

Starting point is 00:18:37 Sounds like he's on the run. No fucking way. As of tomorrow, he is untouchable. What? He's Kevin Costner? We can ground him as a material. We just have to get to court order. Should we go to La Verna?

Starting point is 00:18:48 No. No. She shoots me down every time she won't help. I can get it myself. The only van that remains after 24 hours just happens to be a rental. Judging by the amount of dust, it's been sitting there close to a week. Yeah, I get that last swig. That fresh brew.

Starting point is 00:19:06 Here comes Quinn. Checking in before you have... No, it's Robocop. Nope, it's it. Yeah, it ain't Quinn. Oh, God damn it. God damn it. Oh.

Starting point is 00:19:22 The predator has become the prey, John. No. She's such a slime. Oh, no. Hello? Woman, it's me, Emily. Oh, boy. I got a call from Jordan Chase.

Starting point is 00:19:38 Oh, shit. He knows I talked to you. What? I feel like this is an acting job. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't talk. talk to him?

Starting point is 00:19:46 What is going on? I'm scared. Yeah, see, this is what I just mentioned that Jordan wants to get her before he goes to Europe. I'm going to the police. I'll tell them everything. No, no, don't do that.

Starting point is 00:19:55 Why? They'll protect me. Stay in your house. Wait for us. We'll be there as soon as we can. Please just tell me that you'll wait for us. She's looking right at, Jordan. Please, hurry.

Starting point is 00:20:10 Very nice. Very nice. I like. You're quite the actress. That's how you start in films such as May. When we started off the scene with her, I'm like, and Jordan's going to Europe. I'm like, he has to get loose it. I know how you got there.

Starting point is 00:20:27 I had a feeling we had to cut ties here. Oh, it's not good. It's just I know how to do. I'm observant. You're good at deducing things based on the detail. I've watched this before and I'm going to predict what I've already seen. You're Quinn's friend. Never seen this show before, guys, but go ahead and accuse me if you'd like. Stan Liddy.

Starting point is 00:20:51 Mutual friend, Joey Quinn, hired me to look into you, and I guess, you know, I found out some things. I just need you to lie there and relax. I don't want to zap you again, but I will have to. Listen, boy, this is going down with or without you. Now, you don't get down here faster than a fucking jackrabbit. I'm calling in another cop, and then there's no telling how it's going to spin out. Ooh. Jesus ain't got nothing to do it.

Starting point is 00:21:16 Fuel, Docs. Bayfront Park now. I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devil's work. Who's Sonia? My nanny. Nanny. Well, Sonia wants to know if you want a magician for the party. Yes.

Starting point is 00:21:29 Yes, do magician. Ain't that neat? Jesus. That's just a tiny bit of what I recorded. He can't live. He knows too much. Oh, totally. I don't have no search.

Starting point is 00:21:42 warrant and these people are sticklers for rules. As much as I enjoy Peter Weller being on the show. You're going to give me a full confession. Wow. Nice. God. Oh, no, she went alone. Of course she would have gone alone.

Starting point is 00:21:58 You said you would protect me. Emily, it's okay. Calm down. You have to call him. Make him come. No. Yeah, he needs to tie both. He needs to cut both those loose ends.

Starting point is 00:22:10 Okay, maybe I should just go get him. Maybe not. The trap is sprung I should not trust you Because I don't give a shit about her And I don't give a shit about you either I just want my goddamn job And the police force back

Starting point is 00:22:24 And somebody like you Wants that pension too Everybody thinks I'm a goddamn hero Everybody loves me What a narcissist Oh my God It's such an entertaining performance Oh

Starting point is 00:22:38 Look at that old DV camera Or high A camera Oh my god Who's Quinn gonna save? Oh my god Oh this could be good though This could be good though Yeah, who's he gonna show the loyalty too

Starting point is 00:22:53 No this could be bad actually too Oh shit Holy fuck Oh it's fun having you here Robocop Whoa Go away Quinn Don't make this any worse Shit.

Starting point is 00:23:16 Oh no. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Oh, he's gonna hear ringing. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit, silence it. Oh my god, oh my god, no. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

Starting point is 00:23:34 Ugh. Ugh. God, no. You're really starting to fucking piss me off. can piss me off. Go, go. No. Oh, my goodness.

Starting point is 00:23:47 Oh, my God, dude. A blood spattered on his shoe. Oh, yeah. Oh, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

Starting point is 00:24:00 I don't like it. Emily called. Jordan knows she talked to us. We have to go see her. Good news is that body's not going anywhere. but bad news is Jordan's got her. Destroy it! Is that all good? Just in the water?

Starting point is 00:24:24 Oh, it's such a nice laptop. Yeah. You've been on the forest long enough to know that situations are really black and white. Yeah. I've always trusted your instincts as a cop. Oh, boy. Have you? You know, at one point

Starting point is 00:24:40 I actually thought we were friends I'm sorry if I betrayed that friendship She seems genuine when she says that What is this is your court order From a different judge who owed me a favor Hey Good job, La Guerta

Starting point is 00:24:58 Now I'm the asshole right Yeah A lot of good things This is a lot of really good scenes This is a great episode This is a great episode. It's probably one of my favorites. Oh, what a.

Starting point is 00:25:10 What could he be doing that is so important that he would let you come here by yourself? I don't know. Yes, you keep saying that. Getting kidnapped by Stan Liddy. I could try calling him. Quiet, please. Are you mad at me?

Starting point is 00:25:23 Jesus. Is it exactly what you told me to do? Please. Shut up. I'm just trying to... Shut up! Oh, boy. It's not my fault.

Starting point is 00:25:33 Of course it's your fault. Oh, this guy. guy mask be slipping on you get you knife get you know if never had to do anything before now i've no choice i can't leave any witness i'd like for her to do something you said you wouldn't kill her i've never had to do anything before no god even just the one strike was savage yeah oh that was a moment i thought he was going to hit her like four or five more time. I was expecting that too, but that one was... Well, you just saw that hate in his face. The rage. Lumen.

Starting point is 00:26:16 Bluh. Bluh. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Is this the only kind of love I'll ever find? The kind that ends in blood. Oh, love shed. Love spatter analyst. Not Eugene Career Enterprises? Is he on the plane? No, I have no idea where he is. We were scheduled to fly out over an hour ago, and he never showed up.

Starting point is 00:26:48 Hell yeah. I guess you would leave a couple cops there in case he ever does show. Emily was killed with two blows. Oh, boy. Multiple footprints in the blood. A scuffle. More blood. But not from Emily leading out.

Starting point is 00:27:06 Always so intrigued when he does his detective thing, his blood spatter thing. She was running. Emily. No. There's the knife. Nor. She's putting up a fight. I feel like this season must have also gained probably appreciation in, you know, recent time to subject matter.

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Starting point is 00:29:57 The Penn Ultimate We're going to get right into the finale here the big one all the girls were raped and tortured at the same location I'm pretty sure that's where I's taking moment

Starting point is 00:30:11 pretty sure that sounds like an assumption don't be so presumptuous Lumen sees me for what I really am and she hasn't turned away from me she hasn't turned against me she's someone I could share my life with I will not let her die

Starting point is 00:30:24 whoa oh shit oh god what are you guys doing here It was Aster's idea. I thought we'd come surprise you and have Harrison's birthday party here in Miami. Are you surprised? Why am I?

Starting point is 00:30:38 I'm surprised. Are you surprised? I was surprised. We want to stay with you for the summer. Can we please, Dex? We really, really miss you. Let me save Lumen first and we'll go from there. Sure you can. I really miss you guys too.

Starting point is 00:30:54 Oh, God. We could issue us take a notify. Locate them. Put them under 24 hours. surveillance until we've got enough to bust him. I like how they're working together now. Yeah. But I hope it's not just for her, like, purposes to... This guy doesn't take a pace without body cars holding his dick.

Starting point is 00:31:11 So, still a race. A race? Arrace. See which couple gets to him first. I'll see the genitals. Assuming they're a couple. Assuming we're a couple. Aw.

Starting point is 00:31:22 Can't assume anything right now. I wonder if Dexter's going to be all out of options and he has no choice to tell Deb. because he needs a lead to get to Jordan. Nice to hear from you. Whatever you're thinking of doing, it's not necessary. We can work something out. That is a green screen.

Starting point is 00:31:39 What do you mean? The unemotional approach. But it's not working for you. You're stressed. I can hear it in. She really means to you, doesn't she? Not going to be able to manipulate him? Yes.

Starting point is 00:31:49 It must be terrible going through this again. Duh! You slime. Losing your wife, the woman you loved. And now Lumen, I imagine it seems to you like some kind of terrible curse. Oh my god, dude. I hate it, John.

Starting point is 00:32:03 Tick, tick, tick, dexter. Oh, no. Life running out. Saluman's still alive. You freaking catchphrase. Jordan Chase. Uh-huh. Oh.

Starting point is 00:32:20 Oh shit, dude. Sorry, I thought he was going to buy a bag of order to just, like, beat her with or something, but. Oh, what was that? Yeah, I think he hit her with a gun. Gun or a taser, yeah. It looked like a gun. You see how Cole keeps looking off as somebody behind the camera? Ugh.

Starting point is 00:32:45 It's not the only one, either. All of these videos, these bastards, they keep looking off. This is to get approval or instruction or something. You think they're looking at Jordan? Who else would be? Yeah. You shouldn't look at those anything? I have to fucking look at these things.

Starting point is 00:32:58 I understand what these women went through. Part of it. at least. Biny? Bad Biny. I know what it is to be taken by some sick bastard. Eugh. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:07 She can't even say his name, Rudy, my brother. Biny. Rudy. Is this what I do? Curse everyone around me. I have to work. If Jordan gets away with this, I can't live with myself. I know.

Starting point is 00:33:19 Just those, you know they had to do a shoot day for those tapes, and that must have been rough. We're rolling out to Bayfront Park immediately. We have an officer down. What? Oh, Liddy. Ooh. Dexter, grab your kit. There's a lot of blood.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Okay, that's all people. Dex, blood. Come on, as soon as we get this. Quinn was just looking. Did you see that? Oh, sure I did, yeah. Ugh, hug, hug, ugh. Ugh, too much eye contact there.

Starting point is 00:33:49 I'm glad I love James Remar. Yeah, me too. You got to build a lot of trust as actors to do this stuff. And the other irony is that sometimes these really ugly scenes, you know, sometimes the mood is lighter on set, but... Oh, PTSD. I was going to say, we don't see a ton of that footage, but every lick is... Each second I'm stuck on this slow boat going to my own crime scene takes her farther away from me. Fate is hardly lending a hand.

Starting point is 00:34:23 Yeah, you look very agitated, sir. I haven't examined the crime scene. Wild gas. I heard Liddy was kind of shady. Maybe something came back to fight him. Someone really did a number on him. Did you bring your full kid, text? When is Quinn going to discover the blood on his boot?

Starting point is 00:34:40 And all my kill tools. Quinn, come with me? If you want to live. What's going on? It's okay, though. Give a homicide to work, detective. Get to wait. Ugh.

Starting point is 00:34:53 Seems to me we find out who lady was spying. We find our killer. Ugh. the uni's found lady's cell phone the last five calls he made were all you ooh he must have kept calling you for a reason what was it

Starting point is 00:35:06 I didn't back up then he would have left messages I need to hear them yeah but he also called him remember when he was at the van they should see that on his phone oh no oh shit yeah I was like this is either going to come back

Starting point is 00:35:23 for him to investigate or for them to see Quinn, you better start talking to me I don't think I should say anything else Yeah, damn I'm sorry, Lieutenant Ooh You can talk to your lawyer back at the station Officer

Starting point is 00:35:41 It's going to Detective Quinn Back to Metro Homicide Jesus Oh my God, I have such a foreboding feeling The killer knew what he was doing Sure felt like it at the time Jordan took Lumen back to where it all started with Emily

Starting point is 00:35:57 Emily Yeah Do you have an address 1530 Moraleo Road Thanks Anytime Anytime

Starting point is 00:36:06 Anytime Anytime I want to go talk No You're gonna stay here And do your job I hope I'm wrong about Quinn Right now we need to process

Starting point is 00:36:17 The scene And find out what really happens This is chaos right now Yeah dude Like every scene season has like harsh stakes, but it feels like the stakes right now and the amount of things going wrong. Like, you remember this place? Oh, re-create like home. Recreating the scene. Damn. Well, don't worry. It'll all come back to you.

Starting point is 00:36:41 Yeah. P.T. Compound PTSD. I spoke with Dexter on the phone. I let him know that you're alive in need. Oh, I motivated him. Yes, you did. What a manipulator. Now will he come for you? You. We'll be joyously reunited, the three of us. I'm going to toss you both in some barrels. You've changed since I saw you hail last time. You know that? I think she's a lot stronger.

Starting point is 00:37:13 He's got this look in your eye. She's fierce. She's mentally tougher. You learn that from him? Headbut him. Head but him. So, so silly. Please headbut him.

Starting point is 00:37:27 Ugh. Ugh. What the fuck? Oh my god. It's like an animal. I thought you just like to watch. Oh, maybe I'm changing. Whoa.

Starting point is 00:37:42 Oh, this monstrous. He's put in a terrific performance too. Oh, he's great. I hate him. They've got a really great stack of guest stars for the season Him Peter Well at Julie Stiles obviously Angela Bettas You know His names on the requisition forms for the surveillance equipment

Starting point is 00:38:04 We found a Liddy's van What about the fingerprints we lifted off the van Aside from Liddy's their old quins Yeah, because he was trying to open the handle It looks so bad for him Yeah, I hate this All I can tell you is that I didn't kill any But you were there

Starting point is 00:38:21 It's not what it looks like It looks like you did it Yeah It really does If you didn't kill a lady who did Um Yeah do you want to hear that I can't say anything else

Starting point is 00:38:33 I'm sorry Don't say you're sorry Just tell me the fucking truth Are you ready to accept it You should go work on finding Toad Wow he's trying to preserve What they have

Starting point is 00:38:45 Even though it's gonna destroy it anyways Because he loves her This is so sad Ooh. Don't underestimate your adversary texture, not again. Yeah, he's got a system of jamming. Hey, look, Freddie Kruger had it up. Oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:38:58 Whoa. Oh my God, dude. Jesus Christ. That takes me back to remember season four when he was sleep deprived and he crashed. Oh, my God, yeah, dude. He riled you up but good. Surprise. Surprise, motherfucker.

Starting point is 00:39:20 Hey, what show was that from again? Oh, shit. It's from your stake in notify. Should I put it on your desk? No, what is it? Someone said they spotted Jordan Chase. A street vendor? Yeah, by Moralia Road.

Starting point is 00:39:32 Oh. Weird thing is he thought he heard noises coming from the trunk. That's why he called it in. I know. Sounds unlikely. Yeah, maybe I'll check it out. Thanks. Oh, is she going to go to River Jordan? And find out the truth?

Starting point is 00:39:44 You might be right, Andrew. Ah! Oh, my God. That looked very painful. That looks very painful to be hung up by your hands like that, or feet on the ground. You lost your wife, Rita. You blamed yourself. I'm sure. You thought what, that you couldn't make up for that by helping her. This guy's the biggest piece of shit.

Starting point is 00:40:08 Yeah. You can't save one thing to make up for another dexterous. It's not the way the world works. You got to transform yourself. I look at these. I can't help but think that you have a kind of greatness in you. You know different than the idiots

Starting point is 00:40:27 that show up at my seminars. Totally lost. God, this guy. So condescending. Yes. And patronizing. Oh, not that. Motivate them into.

Starting point is 00:40:39 Yeah, Puddy! Oh! Oh, God. That's awesome. Jesus. I like a mother. I like that trap he set.

Starting point is 00:40:56 Oh, damn. That was amazing. Bang, bang, bang, from the trunk? Which way to, uh, uh, don't it was down that way. River Jordan. Okay. Nade much a campamento.

Starting point is 00:41:12 Campo. Camp. Camp? Yeah, camp. Oh. Oh, shit. She got a word Yeah

Starting point is 00:41:21 Don'te D'Onde estad Jordan You want to be awake for this Yeah What do you call it being present in the moment We're listening

Starting point is 00:41:36 I heard the words Well I'm about to take it your life To be honest You have to consider the source Yeah This is so sad Tiz, agreed.

Starting point is 00:41:51 You should be the one to do it. Yeah, definitely going to be very cathartic to do. Killing is killing, Dexter. Let's at least be honest about that. You're being honest? Eugene. It's a compliment. It's a reminder of how far I've come.

Starting point is 00:42:08 It ends right now. Table transformed. You will be soon. Not just me. You, Lumen. You get to use my name. Yeah. Keep my name out your mouth.

Starting point is 00:42:25 You know what? If you had met me, you would never know you had it in. Oh, God. That's a good justification. How you do. Sure. Demon voice. I watched you so carefully the last time you were here.

Starting point is 00:42:39 Used to just tower and cry. Whoa. That's not just for me. That's for all the women. Everyone that you hurt Even Emily Even Emily Oh, R-A-P Emily

Starting point is 00:42:53 Do you hear me? Let it out, Lumen Let it out He was a great Series, or Season 5 villain Yeah, yeah Great performance I know that's not how you're supposed to do it

Starting point is 00:43:08 Oh, it is right about that part There is no polite way Yeah There's a lot of Dutch angle shots Oh yeah Holy shit, John We've been waiting five seasons for this. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:43:21 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. They've been hinting at this for the last two episodes. Maybe we should just leave the body here. We don't want a murder investigation. We want closure. Oh my God, John.

Starting point is 00:43:37 I can't. I am so excited and terrified for Dexter. Everyone will know what he's done. Yeah. Ooh. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. Don't move. Wow.

Starting point is 00:43:58 Don't fucking move. Wow. It's to end the show right here. What if it was in your arms, drop it now. Whoa. Both of you. Whoa. I know who you are, number 13, and I know what they did to you.

Starting point is 00:44:13 Oh, my God, dude. Seen the tapes. I watched them over and over. She would have done that to Bainee, right? It's a miracle he survived. Is she going to let him go? And you, whoever you are, you know that too. Is she just going to walk out and not know?

Starting point is 00:44:30 I wonder. Whoa! I said, don't fucking move! Oh, yeah, this is intense. Maybe it's true, some people deserve to die, but I'm a cop, and I don't make that fucking decision. So I'm going to call this in. No. Dexter, you got to go.

Starting point is 00:44:47 out just you have in an hour this place will be swarming with police if I were you I'd be gone by then oh oh you're a fucking real one holy shit how do you give us blue balls like that wow I thought she was wow oh god dang you writers you are so wow you got me there Well, yeah, and I appreciate it. And yeah, she chose... I don't know what you did or didn't do. And for some reason, you're not saying. I don't know how I feel about you.

Starting point is 00:45:27 But I'm not judging. Don't care what you did, as long as you love me, baby. You can't judge. Not anymore. Ooh. What do you mean? Something happened? Yes.

Starting point is 00:45:38 Oh. A lot, actually, a lot that I don't understand. You know how LaGuarda keep saying everything's complicated? Ha ha. I'm starting to believe her. Loving you is complicated. I'll be here no matter what happened. Fudge those bloodshue results, Dex.

Starting point is 00:45:55 Did you ever think we'd get here? You didn't? Not really, no. I mean, for a while there, I wasn't sure. Uh-huh. It's like what your sister said. It's a miracle. It's a fucking miracle.

Starting point is 00:46:06 Yeah. Home? Sweet home. Home is where the heart is, and that's where the two of them are together. Slice of life. Yeah. What about that?

Starting point is 00:46:19 Yeah. The blood on Quinchu is it, Litties? I haven't run it yet. Do you think it is? I don't know. Come on, Dex. Do them a solid. You think you know someone, and then it turns out you don't.

Starting point is 00:46:31 Fudge that blood. You think someone's a good cop, and then they do something. I don't know. All I'm saying is nothing is as simple as it seems. Truly. You're right about that. You don't be as soon as you know. Come on, Dex.

Starting point is 00:46:47 I have to imagine he's gonna lie about it. Throw that olive branch. I didn't sleep at all last night. First, I was wondering how I could possibly tell you. What? I have to leave.

Starting point is 00:46:59 No. Today. You can't. I have to. How empty. When I saw Jordan Chase's body disappearing into the ocean, I...

Starting point is 00:47:10 Yeah, party you went with it. All night I was trying to figure out what was happening, and I tried to hold on to it. Oh, God. Ugh, ugh, ugh. And this morning, I could tell it was gone. Yeah. I don't feel it anymore.

Starting point is 00:47:24 Closure's a tough one. The need. Yeah. Her dark passenger, it's vanished. Yeah. Say something. But what about something that's close to your heart now? Don't go.

Starting point is 00:47:36 Oh. I don't want to. Don't. Stay here. Aw. What we've been doing. You don't have to. But you do, right?

Starting point is 00:47:46 Wow. Uh, she wants to just live a normal life. That's who you are. You're the vigilante, not me. Ooh-hoo! Interesting angle. Yeah. Oof.

Starting point is 00:48:00 Damn, those armpits are sweating. Yeah, he's anguished. You're right. This is who I am. About everything, you're right. We're not the same. I'm so sorry. Yeah, you get to be free now.

Starting point is 00:48:11 Yeah, I'm sure Dexter at some point. Don't be sorry your darkness is gone. I would love for his dark passenger to be gone. I'll carry it for you. Aww. Always. Always. Take out the scum of the earth.

Starting point is 00:48:24 I saw you. You're dead. Chimed so long. It makes me want to do the same. You want to give you another shot. Go back to the beginning. Yes. Very good place to start.

Starting point is 00:48:37 Aww. Be honest with me. Is it weird to bring a date to a first birthday party? A little bit. No, that's... I'm glad you brought her. I didn't mean me. I meant your sister.

Starting point is 00:48:53 Quinn? Oh, yeah, he did it. He did it. Damn. Let me go, Deborah. Deborah. Thank you. Oh.

Starting point is 00:49:08 For what? The blood bar. Oh. Just doing my job. Yeah. Well, that was the one thing I gave me out. There you are you. Oh.

Starting point is 00:49:20 Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Bros. You could have told me sin or that the blood will be able to him. Channels. Look where to want to give you the good news. Aw. Aw.

Starting point is 00:49:34 I don't like Quinn much. Not only Quinn at all. But I like you being happy. I want you to be happy. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, Dexter's such a good brother. You must be too.

Starting point is 00:49:49 Now that this is all over, I wish. Yeah, about that. In ways I am and in ways I couldn't be more heartbroken. They make it look so easy. I mean, they're lawfully allowed to have dark passengers. A human being. It's like no one told them it's the hardest thing in the world. It's not easy.

Starting point is 00:50:14 Such a beautiful ring Find your own closure, I suppose Where is she? So sad Lieutenant, you're staying at the house She's gone She left I'm sorry

Starting point is 00:50:27 Oh, I love how genuine she is When she said that You said she needed your help Did you help her? He definitely did Yeah, I think I did And did it work? Did it make you feel better?

Starting point is 00:50:38 In ways, yes And at others, no You can't do one thing To make up for another That's what Jordan Chase says But he's wrong Because we do that all the time That is the way the world works

Starting point is 00:50:51 We try to make things right Even me Redemption stories John Oh damn that cake looks bomb Yeah Lumen said I gave her her life back A reversal of my usual role Well the fact is she gave me mine back too

Starting point is 00:51:06 And I'm left not with what she took from me But with what she brought I like that Whoa Finally for who I really am and this certainty that nothing, nothing is set in stone. Harry. While she was here, she made me think for the briefest moment

Starting point is 00:51:21 that I might even have a chance to be human. Make a wish. Make a wish. But wishes, of course, are for children. Fade to black. Wow. What a season. What a season.

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Starting point is 00:52:25 Andrew Flash Gordon. Hey. Well, we're going to get our initial thoughts on these two episodes, but I'd like your overall thoughts on the season because we've mentioned this a pevy of times now throughout season five. I know this is not ranked. among the the pantheon of seasons one through four, I would not agree with that.

Starting point is 00:52:49 I think it's right up there personally, but I want to hear your overall thoughts. First of all, these two episodes, and then you can go into some season five, and then we'll get to some questions after I lay my thoughts as well. But what are your overall thoughts of these last two episodes in season five,

Starting point is 00:53:02 just in general? I really liked the whole season. I like these last two episodes were really tense and nerve-wracking and emotional. and yeah this was a fascinating season because it's building upon what's come before it but I think in some ways it's very unique

Starting point is 00:53:22 compared to the other seasons or when you look at it in contrast with the other seasons the guest stars have been tremendous and the way they've used the guest stars was very creative in this season again in response to what we've done in the past and just the unique tenor

Starting point is 00:53:41 and point of view of this story really spoke to me and I know you know a lot of people who really gravitate towards this season in particular so yeah I would say that this has certainly continued just the continuing you know trajectory of you know goodwill for me you know like I've really felt like they've done a terrific job with this season and keeping the show you know functioning as something that is constantly growing and progressing the serial story of Dexter as a person person as a character, but yeah, also mixing in these unique spins every season on how to do the structure and what, you know, themes to focus on. And yeah, I thought this was really unique. And in terms of, you know, the kinds of people, the kinds of, you know, criminals and miscreants, you know, to sick Dexter's dark passenger on, this is perhaps the most sort of benevolent. I mean, you know, there's always like a morality play with what Dexter does. this is i think the easiest for people to get on board with because this is some of the most violent harsh you know disturbing subject matter that they've flirted with in a show that is no stranger to that kind of stuff so yeah i thought this is really terrific um yeah julia styles fantastic work across the board uh the development of her

Starting point is 00:55:04 going from the midst of active trauma to someone trying to cope with that trauma and grief and sort of settling the rubble and figuring out, well, who am I now? And yeah, having this darkness sort of awakened within her and needing to kind of see that through to completion and having that be something that, as opposed to what Dexter experiences, this is something that can be sort of seen to completion and closure can happen. And it's fascinating.

Starting point is 00:55:34 And yeah, like, you know, you don't want to see her leave, but at the same time, you kind of get it. You're like, this is a vivid, important chapter in this person's life, but this is also not who she is deep down. And now that this trauma has been at least addressed and she has kind of, you know, gone through this major catharsis. And also, too, like the establishment of intimacy. Like, you know, again, I wasn't really on board with the idea that he and Lumen would

Starting point is 00:56:01 be intimate early on because I know that for people who have suffered things anywhere near what she's suffered, oftentimes, not always, but oftentimes that's not what you want. You don't want to be, you know, touch. by anybody or vulnerable but they handle it so well but yeah the back and forth debate of trust between them has been so vital

Starting point is 00:56:21 and yeah watching them watching him you know really bring out this side of Dexter that is I don't know it felt like a whole different shade and something that is sort of breathless and and sort of

Starting point is 00:56:37 desperate in a way and something that is like he is yeah like to borrow the venom he's like a lethal protector he's taken her under his wing but yeah there's something you know almost spiritual feeling to him because you know this seems like yeah a very emotional difficult experience for dexter he often looks like he's on the verge of tears and uh and yeah just the way they handle the harshness and the sickness it represented by you know jordan chase and his cohorts of along with what the victims suffer. This was a really fascinating season. And, yeah, I thought the way they, you could easily make this subject matter lurid or, you know, in poor taste.

Starting point is 00:57:22 But I thought that they handled this rather well for my perspective, which admittedly is limited. And, yeah, in talking to and just hearing perspectives of people who have been more in Lumen's position, it seems like those people really appreciate this season as well. And so that's always a nice. sign that again the writers did their homework yeah yeah and uh and yeah like this is a season that involves so many sort of emotionally difficult and incongruous things you know people in

Starting point is 00:57:53 the midst of these situations are rarely you know uh acting with the most cool calm and collected logic and i thought they handled the mess and the gray of this both from the lumen and dexter perspective as well as for everybody else like they they're good at always you know involving the rest of the ensemble thematically and also physically in the case or whatever. But yeah, I really like the journey. I love what you just said, too, that people who have unfortunately

Starting point is 00:58:19 been in the same position as Lumen have appreciated what the season has done, especially with her character and just the subject matter at hand because it could have definitely been done in poor taste. And generally, at least for me, I like things

Starting point is 00:58:35 that allow me to resonate with myself. In this case, that's a totally different perspective because of course I can't resonate in any way shape or form no or rather if I had had something happened to me if I was a woman and something like that had happened to me like Lumen I don't know if I'd want a resonating case yeah yeah but the point being is if something like this had ever happened to me yes I would never want to resonate but if there was going to be something I'd at least want a vindication and and something cathartic to at least help me to remedy that that sort of trauma

Starting point is 00:59:09 And I feel like this season did a great job of that, handling the subject mattered, and especially with Lumen, like from the transformation she went through, the progression as a character, like going from someone who has to deal with this. And together with Dexter, she really grows into a mentally tough and really strong person physically as well, able to handle herself and just, you know, the dark passenger that comes from this transformation. and then she's able to get closure after dealing with this. I think it's just such a beautiful arc that we see throughout the season. And I loved it and her getting that vindication and that cathartic release at the end. It was heartbreaking for us, the audience, as well as Lumen and Dexter, because he really do want them together, especially with what Dexter has just been through with Rita.

Starting point is 01:00:02 And he finally feels like he had something with Lumen that he never even had with Rita. He could actually beat the time. passenger, fully be himself with someone, which he'd never, ever got to experience, because there were things he had to hide from Rita. He couldn't fully be himself. So there's something beautiful about that. At the end of the day, once Lumen got what she, you know, wanted in terms of, like, that closure, she wanted to, there was nothing there, and she wanted to live a normal life. And, like, it's as heartbreaking as that is, I can understand that it's all about perspective. well yeah it's like it's it's not even just wanting to live a normal life is just yeah this

Starting point is 01:00:42 this is not the life i want anymore i'm doing well and i don't need it anymore like it's served its purpose and now that's just kind of well who'm done now yeah exactly and who am i going to go i'm just going what am i going to live a normal life while you are going out doing your dark and she's got a whole family she's got her ex-fiancee like there are theoretically things for her to go and i mean if she ever comes back that's incredible i don't We'll see what happens. I would imagine, and we'll get into this more with the questions, but I imagine she probably feels like she's in a place now

Starting point is 01:01:14 where she can go and reconvene or re-commune with the rest of her actual life. For sure, and I feel like all the transformations that were happening throughout the season were so fascinating when it came to Lumen, when it came to Dexter, like how you deal with trauma. And then also, too, when you have like a piece of shit like Eugene Greer or was it John I was about to say Johnny Lee Miller but that is the actor's name

Starting point is 01:01:41 but with Jordan Chase thank you I'm always about to say Johnny Chase I'm like I'm not putting drama I'm not putting drama from entourage in this discussion but yeah like he transformed at the destruction of others and he thrived at that and it's like look I'm all about

Starting point is 01:01:57 evolving and growing I feel I've done a great deal of that in my own right over time but I would never be okay with doing that if it meant that the suffering of others and well and that's the thing they say about a lot of this particular kind of abuser is that oftentimes well he's a narcissist he's a narcissist but more than that it's not about the sex aspect it's about power and control yeah it's about you know yeah there definitely is a narcissistic it's you can feel that too with when he's talking to the women

Starting point is 01:02:28 yeah and the way he ostensibly is able to influence these other guys to do this stuff you know He knew how to manipulate very well. Yeah, yeah. It's like he needs to be influencing multiple people. And, yeah, it's like a sick, twisted web. And it's an interesting wrinkle that he's not the one who does the actual act, but he is the one who directs everybody. And, yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Agreed. It's a fascinating event. I mean, to go after season four when you have one of the greatest villains in TV history with the Trinity, that's a tough prospect. And just one of the greatest seasons in TV show history. I thought this show, like the emotional intensity and just the emotional drama, I really thought this was the way to go

Starting point is 01:03:09 and it was handled so well. I love this season. It was really, you definitely have to be in the mood to watch it because it's really heavy, you know, as Marty and Doc would say. Or, you know, so I thought it was just, well, very well executed. I would also say, too, before we get in the questions here,

Starting point is 01:03:27 I really also love the development of Quinn and, Quinn and Deborah's relationship. You've got to understand, too, the messed up back, or backstory, rather, in regards to their relationships and the mistrust that they have. Of course, with Deborah and Biny, and that what happened there. And then with, was it Quinn and Hill was her last name? Christina Hill, was that? She was the Trinity's daughter, whatever her name is. They both dated some, and of course, you know, Deborah's also dated some good guys, too.

Starting point is 01:04:00 She dated Lundy, who John and I loved, as well as from Arrow, the other guy, what was... Oh, yeah, Anton. He was great, too. He was cool. Yeah, so she has dated some good guys, but also there is some trust issues, and she's also worried about, like, is she going to break someone's heart? It's vice versa, so... But the fact that both of them have dated, like, serial killers, like, there is that, that wild resonating side that they can kind of correlate with. Yeah, very uniquely aligned.

Starting point is 01:04:28 Yeah, for sure. And also the fact that they work together in their partners. So there is that natural trust as well, too. Well, yeah. And it makes it complicated, too. They're from similar walks of life in their own ways. And, yeah, they can, they have difference of sensibility. But yeah, there's a lot for them to relate on.

Starting point is 01:04:47 But I did love seeing, too, that Quinn was always, yeah, there were times where he would cut paths or, like, do things that were very shady. like a Stan Lindy not to the not to the level of a Stan Lindy but we saw Liddy excuse me thank you but he would like put money in his pocket like at a hotel and I understand why I get it like police officers are not paid a lot of money

Starting point is 01:05:10 and shit so I understand why he would cut corners and do the and all the stuff that he would do well yeah he does stuff off the book but this provides you that contrast of like but he's not this fucking guy he could become that guy but watching Stan seeing how Stan operated

Starting point is 01:05:26 I think was a cautionary tale. And I think falling in love with Deborah also showed like love will prevail and like I want to be. She makes me want to be a better man and a good cop. Makes me want to have integrity. Yeah, for sure. And have principles.

Starting point is 01:05:38 So I appreciated that. Rather than being, yeah, like a stand with me. It didn't feel generic to me. It felt organic and natural for him to see this progression grow from him. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:47 I want to be this. Like, he was willing to go to prison like over it as opposed to saying, it was Dexter was death. So. Well, he's not that the evidence was on his side at that. point anyways but he did have the photos and I don't know well no he just seemed yeah very willing to kind of accept the bed that he had made and and yeah I mean there is a lot of sort of difficult

Starting point is 01:06:06 information to handle there but yeah Liddy is definitely the kind of character who you're like you see the appeal of Liddy but you also see that like you would never want to become this guy and somebody in Quinn's position is sort of probably you know they don't make a huge show out of it but I feel like he's in the position to go okay like I am clearly okay with a certain amount of off the book, you know, unorthodox approaches and whatnot. But this guy is like the furthest extent of that. And this guy has alienated himself from his profession. He's alienated himself from most people. And now he's become a thorn in my side. And I regret involving myself. He's a parasite like you said. Yeah, because you can't

Starting point is 01:06:48 trust him as far as you can throw him. And he's, you're never going to be in control of that guy. And so Yeah, like I really liked what Liddy did for the season. Having said that, he's so freaking entertaining. Oh, no, 100%. That's the thing. And it was neat to have this season that was so populated by guest stars because then you get a Peter Weller in here who's just, again, walking around, chewing on the scenery. He's not even fully, he doesn't meet a lot of the ensemble even, but like, yeah, he's just so, so far to watch.

Starting point is 01:07:17 I was, he was just mesmerizing watching him. And you're like, this guy has got to go, but like, oh, God, I'm still, I've still, I've having a blast watching him. I was sad knowing that he knew who Dexter was. I was like, damn, it's, I wanted to stay around the show. But he has to go. He knows way too much. It was kind of like with Doakes in season two, we're like,

Starting point is 01:07:36 shit, what's going to happen? Because he knows way too much. Well, and we're past the point now where you could, because of what happens to Doakes, you're like, oh, okay, this isn't the kind of show that's going to, like, find some kind of weird mover to make him stay. The show has made it clear that the stakes are always extremely high. And dokes, Rita, and any other characters are an indication.

Starting point is 01:07:56 Most who know information that they shouldn't know are not going to survive, or even characters that we love and care for, anybody can go at any which time. Yeah. And I guess before we hop into questions, the last thing I'll say is it was nice. I like that the, you know, the ends of each season are certainly quite different. And after ending the last season on such a somber gut punch, it was nice to end this season off.

Starting point is 01:08:21 with not a happy ending per se but a lot of happy ending i mean like happy heartbreaking it's it's a brighter ending and yeah you do feel sad for dexter but you also feel the worth and the weight in what he you know it's that thing of better to have love and lost and blah blah blah you know in in very complex terms it's kind of that and so even though yeah it's heartbreaking at the end when she has to leave you know she doesn't have to die you know she gets to kind of hopefully walk out and, you know, be on the other side of this and now live, you know, hopefully to her fullest extent. Dexter, yes, is left adrift, but he also sees, you know, the family that he has, he's able to pay this forward from Deb to Quinn. And yeah, there's just a lot of, it was nice and it didn't feel hackneyed to have an ending that gave us a little bit of closure and doesn't need to do too much setup for next time and is just kind of letting things lie.

Starting point is 01:09:19 and letting you exhale and breathe and kind of appreciate the tenderness. Yeah, no, the last three seasons have been very intriguing endings to say the least. You had season three end with the wedding of Reed and Exeter, season four. Of course, the somber ending,

Starting point is 01:09:33 as John just pointed out, with Rita's demise, and then this season with the heartbreaking closure and, I mean, vindicating closure, rather, and heartbreaking departure of Lumen, and then the birthday party but yeah crazy to see what's going to be in store for us season six I'm not going to let go of it

Starting point is 01:09:56 though Deborah is going to find I know they subvert did a great job and then we'll get to the question they seriously I'm really appreciative because one of my biggest pet peeves whenever I watch movies or TV shows is predicting stuff but as long as I'm enjoying and I'm being entertained

Starting point is 01:10:11 and it's done in a satisfying way that services the story and the characters yeah no no for sure then I'm good with it but to do it like this and then not and then subvert my expectations and a, oh, understandable, she has been through an experience kind of like this with Bainey and also she was listening to the tapes and watching them. So she's okay with what was just happening here, but the law says she's not supposed to be.

Starting point is 01:10:36 So she's giving them a warning to get out. So I'm like, yes, fine. Let's get into questions. Yeah, okay. Come up. Okay. All right. By the way, if you do ever want to ask us questions, if you become a royal reject, we will shout you out and ask, and you can ask us whatever you like.

Starting point is 01:10:52 Heck yeah. All right, from Jaden Rhodes. Jaden, thank you so much for being a royal reject. For asking us a question, we appreciate you. I am curious, now that y'all have finished season five, do you think season five lives up to the first four seasons or does it take a dip in quality? No, it's so good. No, I think it definitely continues. A lot of people say season five is when the show starts to fade in quality, in my opinion.

Starting point is 01:11:14 opinion. I disagree. I think season five is a top three or four season for me, and there is a lot of seasons. I think season five is a top five season for sure. That would be my answer, but I do not. I'm, yeah, I mean, I'm curious. I'm curious. I know people are not, I know for sure people are not fond of the last season of the main Dexter show. Is that eight, right?

Starting point is 01:11:39 I think seven or eight. Yeah, um, you're probably right. But yeah, I'm curious, but yeah, I would agree. I would say that season five is continuing just the, it doesn't feel like a dip. And I'm even, I don't know, I'm the kind of viewer who rankings are fun, but I'm not always sitting here going like, oh, this one's definitely better than that one or whatever. I am a person of viewer, I'm a viewer who enjoys the fact that they are different to a degree and some of them are doing different things. But yeah, I thought this was just another great step along a journey filled with

Starting point is 01:12:13 great steps. I would say, yeah, probably a top three season for me as well. This would be towards the top for me just because of the uniqueness of the subject matter and the, you know, really potent way they explored it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't agree that this is a fading in quality

Starting point is 01:12:29 at all. And I, yeah, I'm still looking forward to what's next. I don't know. Like, again, we're removed from the time in which this was coming out and there are revivals. So, you know, checking stuff out in hindsight, it's always a little bit different than at the time. But so far, I'm still very chuffed,

Starting point is 01:12:46 and I like the way that this kind of reflects off of and responds to certain things about other past seasons, but also, yeah, carves out new and interesting things to confront our characters with and great new and interesting guests. Again, even, yeah, just changing up the way they use the guest stars. It's a motif of every season. Is there our prominent guest stars or maybe one prominent guest star? This had a bunch, you know, and they used them.

Starting point is 01:13:09 I love that your main top line guest star becomes a, main character and is not the villain and then you have another guest star who is the villain johnny lee miller did a terrific job i think he's british i totally forgot is he really he's british oh that accent was convincing because yeah that's one of the best uh you know american accents i have heard is an english actor yeah there you go okay he's on one of those uh you know sherlock holmes shows but yeah having him having this rogue presence in litty peter weller uh uh yeah Yeah, and even Angela Bettis, who is not, like, as well-known, but has certainly done a lot of notable Indian cult, like horror films and stuff like that.

Starting point is 01:13:53 This was, yeah, this was a really, I think, terrific and interesting and tough piece of art. What a looming task to have to follow season four, right? That's tough. Looming? No, John. Yeah, but a munch. Yeah, this was, look, is it season four? No, but it's still a fantastic addition to the, yeah, they're different.

Starting point is 01:14:21 Different, they're doing different things. They're definitely, but I like that each season tackles different themes and explores different things with Dexter and gives us fascinating villains to say the least. So I think this season is terrific. I would like, if I had a, you know, as I always like to point out, a guy. gun to my head and you told me right now I got to give you a ranking I'd say give me a little bit of time and I'll think about it but this would definitely it'd be right up there for sure it's really hard to rank them honestly it is really hard for me I'll say that but for this or this season or season four would be at the top I think this was amazing I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of

Starting point is 01:15:07 this season yeah in terms of quality of TV that I like to watch it's so hard it's like I want I just, I just want to put, like, multiples into, I just want to put multiples into one slot, you know. It's like, I want to put five and four at the top. I want to put three and one in number two, and I want to put two at third place because two, I really like skill.

Starting point is 01:15:27 I love two, but two would definitely be in my, in my lower tier, even though it's phenomenal. It's the one that, that if I have to move something down, I'm like, yeah, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:34 I can move two down. But we want justice for doaks. Yeah, I mean, that stuff was great. Like, no, I've loved it also.

Starting point is 01:15:40 Lila was amazing. I love all the shirtless And last thing before the next question, I do like the debate about whether, you know, that whole thing that Chase brings up about like, ah, you know, you can't fix one, you know, mistake or piece of trauma by doing something else and, you know, you can't replace it. Yeah, and then Dexter coming around and like, that's what we do all the time, you know, and while I don't think that his grief over Rita is solved by this, it does kind of, it does at least get into comment. conversation with that because Rita, while she might not have had the exact experience that Lumen did, certainly went through a lot of gnarly abuse. And so like, and obviously there's the similarity of how they look. So I think there is a good amount of like, yeah, there is, this doesn't completely, you know, leave Dexter at peace with what happened to Rita. But I think in a way, he is able to at least converse with that trauma through what he's done here with Lumen. And I think that's another just interesting thing. Well, he saved a woman in need who needs. It's, you know, at the time where he could not do that. We've talked about that where he couldn't do that. Well, he helped to power her to create her own closure.

Starting point is 01:16:51 I mean, they work together, but it goes from him doing it to her, to him giving her the tools. Yeah, for sure, because Rita was not in a position to save herself at that time in a sadistic, awful human being. Well, and even she does, though, like Rita, as time goes by. No, we saw her girl was fine and was no longer a pushover, but could she, was she in a position to physically hand her? someone like the Trinity. I don't know if Dexter had trained her yet to be in that position. No, no, no. Yeah, she didn't have the mentorship because she didn't know the real, not yet.

Starting point is 01:17:21 I think she could have gotten to a place yet. First, she was capable of it, no doubt. Maybe. It's Rita, dude. We saw what Rita became the spine that she grew. Come on, man, Rita would have. If Dexter would have taken her under a wing, although I don't know if she would have stayed around, if Dexter would have been honest about the turkess.

Starting point is 01:17:38 I don't know if Rita going under his wing is even a thing that would have been possible. I don't know. Well, that's what I'm saying. saying i said if if she would have found out about the dark passenger i don't i don't know i don't know if she would have stayed for that i don't i don't think so either but well we'll go to an alternate universal that did happen and she killed the trinity all right thank you for the question we appreciate you hunter preston thanks for chiming in how do you guys feel about deborah nearly finding out about dexter do you think it was a bad choice to have her

Starting point is 01:18:07 step away instead of finding out or do you think it uh the show now has made a potential reveal more interesting and engaging. I think that was much more fascinating the way they did it just because the way they were hinting at it so many times I thought it was coming. It looked, it seemed very predictable as I continuously kept calling out.

Starting point is 01:18:27 But I think like because she had listened to the tapes, she had already been through an experience like this with Biny not like to the full extent but just a sadistic evil person like doing awful things and you know tying her up and all that and she'd been through a traumatic experience like Lumen. So

Starting point is 01:18:42 she understood like the situation but having her not having her literally be five to ten feet within dexter and not having i think really it was subverting your expectations in a satisfying way but knowing that it's still out there and i still feel it's going to happen and say she has to find out it's they're hinting at it too much for it to not all right i know this will be this will be one of the great debates of our viewership because again you were off right yeah these predictions. No, I'm not always right, but I'm saying you're often on the right track and I could see this being in conversation, but part of me just doesn't necessarily believe that Deb would be able to cope with that. It would, no, it would definitely, she would

Starting point is 01:19:29 be very distraught because we know when she is very close to someone, I, a biny, i.e. a Quinn or whatever, her dad, when people lie to her, she, she, She wears her heart on her sleeve. She takes it very personally when people she cares for. A little eye to her. Yeah, trust is huge. Yeah, so that is going to be one of my, if it happens, and she's such an incredible actress, Jennifer Carpenter, right?

Starting point is 01:20:01 She is one of the most provocative actresses I've ever seen when it comes to emotionally being expressive. and I love just what the verbal expressions that she makes and the way she narrates as well with her emoting. I would be so fascinated to see how she would react to seeing that text her, seeing that she, her brother, this entire time had this dark passenger and is this vigilante and finding this out for the first time. I think Jennifer Carpenter is such an incredible act.

Starting point is 01:20:39 that we as the audience I'm sure many of you've already seen the show so you already know if you have but at least for John and I for first time viewers like it would definitely be quite an experience to see that but if it never happens I mean I'd be okay with that if it's as long as the the storyline is as you know done in a you know an interesting way that progresses the characters and all and the plot line and all that but I just think it has to happen but what about you yeah I could imagine people having that was one moment I imagined a lot of people would have differing feelings on because I think you could make the argument very easily that Deb is too good a cop to let them go. And, you know, there's so much riding on this. The same time, I do agree with you. I feel like because, and they make a point of this in the late, you know, stage of the game there in episode 11 or 12, where she's watching the tapes again and seeing that someone's off camera giving instructions and Dexter's like, you don't need to keep watching these. She's like, no, I do. And so like, I feel. And so, like, I feel. feel like because of the unique nature of this, I bought it, and I do, I enjoyed, you know, granted, if that sheet hadn't been up, the whole thing would have been different. So, like, you know, there's a certain

Starting point is 01:21:51 amount of, I guess, suspension of disbelief you must rely on in a scene like that, especially because it's bodies right there. But at the same time, you know, the problem with being a cop, it seems, and certainly we've experienced through Deborah and other characters, is that there's a limit to

Starting point is 01:22:07 what the law can provide. And, you know on the book above the board and yeah I really like the staging of that scene I really like the tension of that moment and her basically saying hey look I know you this you must be number 13 and you know I am going to have to call this in but

Starting point is 01:22:25 you know ultimately drawing it out until you get to that ultimate conclusion of you better it would be wise to be gone by the time I you know do and yeah Dexter doesn't say a word but you're watching everybody sort of calculate in the moment and yeah you're in her POV and you can see through this tarp this this sheet of plastic and and even she fires that warning shot like it's just yeah the whole tension of it was nice because it still speaks it nicely illustrates both you know all the stuff with Dexter but also that the you know deb and the rest of the PD are

Starting point is 01:22:56 competent and they're good detectives and they're able to you know again be in this race together and I like the stuff with like you know her and Quinn you know which couple's going to get to him first it's going to be the vigilantes or it's going to be us and uh and yeah ultimately given the circumstances again it's one of those crimes that you're just like yeah not a lot of sympathy and not a lot of hope for rehabilitation and you know there are calm conversations i suppose we could have about it but yeah when you're you know when you've seen what deb is seen and as to your point been through what deb has been through this seems like a rare

Starting point is 01:23:29 opportunity where at least for her she can know like well this isn't gonna you know the barrel the barrel killers at all have been taken care of and yeah we're going to need to find some way to pay that off on the record but knowing that it's done and also knowing that you know the unique circumstances that at least the you know main person behind this which to her is number 13 to us we know is kind of a blend um but yeah i thought that was i really loved that scene i thought it was great scene and it came back a little bit too with her conversation earlier with de during the season about and just what she was going through in regards to i made a weird comment where i said it was kind of dehumanizing her and i didn't mean that i just mean like a slight dark passenger coming out on you know what with with deb when when she killed you know those the the two what were those two guys in the club or whatever or whatever or when she killed one the guys who was macheting and she didn't feel any remorse about it and yeah and i was like I totally understand where she's coming from and where she's feeling,

Starting point is 01:24:37 but then Dexter also had the conversation with her, hey, not everyone deserves to die, but not everyone deserves to live. And I feel like that conversation came back in that moment right there. Yeah, totally. You're like, this is a person you know is not going to probably change and is not sorry and has built this empire, you know, being this narcissist chameleon.

Starting point is 01:24:56 And, you know, I love that, yeah, to his credit, you know, all the way down, Johnny Lee Miller is just spouting off different you know, screeds of analysis and emotional philosophy and trying to manipulate until the very, very end.

Starting point is 01:25:11 And yeah, I got bought that in the moment that, yeah, some people, I could see where the conversation might have gone because it's like,

Starting point is 01:25:19 oh yeah, you know, we don't get to be the ones who decide who lives or dies or whatever, but some people don't deserve to live and have proven that well beyond the point of return.

Starting point is 01:25:28 And Jordan Chase is one of those people. For sure. And here lies the last thing before we get to our next question. what happens if you allow someone like that to live? We saw what happened when you allowed the Trinity for selfish reasons and such. Would you allow someone like that

Starting point is 01:25:43 who takes life to live? There's ramifications and consequences. Yeah, and in that moment, she knows, like, yeah, this is way better than chasing you through the system in a way, you know? And, yeah, it might not be ethical completely, but you can see how, yeah, you can see how in this, this circumstance it's it's it's i feel like if they're going to do a scene like this these are

Starting point is 01:26:10 the circumstances that i think make the most sense to do it under uh because yeah there are a lot of times you could have played a card like this on a show like this and i think this is the time that sells it the most and especially five seasons deep i think they've earned that absolutely thank you for the question we appreciate you emma not a review if we don't get a question for Emma on Dexter. Thank you so much, Emma, for being a royal rejuic. We appreciate you so much. You guys are finally done with

Starting point is 01:26:41 season five. What did you think about the Lumen story arc? Do you wish she stayed as a longer character? Do you think this is a good ending for her? Janizio, Verbrizio? You know, I think it's a little bit of both. You know, it's bittersweet because you do like her and Dexter together, but at least

Starting point is 01:27:00 right now, and you know, this is going to germinate in my brain is, you know, the days intervene and I get time to reflect but but yeah as much as you don't want it to happen and as much as the tenderness between dexter and lumen has been really lovely and as much as they are two people who are kind of in severe trauma and grief coming back into themselves you do kind of I understand the nature of this being sort of a stepstone in a sense a very very very very significant one a very meaningful one as sort of cornerstone in a way but also something that yeah is more of a transition because you know Lumen is healing or at least

Starting point is 01:27:40 growing past something that now enables you know you get the sense that this closure now allows her to kind of reconvene with the rest of her life you know and yeah this is not the life for her and so I bought what you know it's in the last couple moments of the episode and even whilst watching it I was like how are we going to do this But at the same time, I did believe what they chose there. Just like, it's over. And, you know, we've seen it to completion. And you saw them on the boat.

Starting point is 01:28:12 And they had this really lovely send-off. And they're riding off into the sunset. And they, you know, fall asleep together. And now it's a new day. And now life begins anew in a way, at least for Lumen, it does. And, yeah, I really bought the pain of Dexter not wanting her to leave because, you know, she's been such a... That was so raw and emotional that moment. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:28:32 When he threw it when he threw the plate and the camera angle that they did. I'm like, oh my God, I felt that so much. Totally. And I think that, you know, you really, yeah, like I get how he, as much as he was, you know, sort of the mentor in a lot of respects, it's like he needs this too. And he needs her, you know, to give him this sense of purpose and to feel like he is taking control over something that he had no control over at the end of season four, you know. And so, yeah. But he did. Part of me was wondering, you know, before those moments, whether or not she would somehow persist.

Starting point is 01:29:10 But I just, I guess I never really expected it. And two, I mean, yeah, if we're teeing up season six and the seasons are semi-episodic, it does make sense to, I think it made sense contextually in the story and functionally for the fact that I know we have to kind of create the new circumstances and introduce the new characters that will mark season six. So, yeah, I thought that as a complete story arc, this was actually pretty graceful for her. And again, where you see her start at, you know, this frail and covered in muck, you know, and just this, this, you know, traumatized individual then, you know, going into a more sort of uneasy but settled state and then, you know, wanting to be more involved with taking back the control. She took it. And yeah, and really, you know, closing this loop and really, you know, showing the people responsible, you know, a taste of their own medicine, all that stuff. And then, yeah, her opening up to Dexter, her opening up to him both emotionally and then physically, I just thought, yeah, there was so many really lovely tender moments and it brought a lot of tenderness out of Dexter. And this is, you know, arguably a lot of harsh and somber emotions for him, but an emotional season for Dexter, most certainly.

Starting point is 01:30:23 And, yeah, I really liked her story. Different set of circumstances, but I don't care if it's recency bias. I would venture to say badass female character type of transformation I would compare to Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley. The only two, the only two strong females in Hollywood history. How about Buffy? The Vampire Slayer. Also Buffy is good. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:30:45 So I would say it's really up there. No, seeing someone who is going through a really traumatic thing, someone who's frail as you just pointed out. and seeing her, like, literally become really badass, but at the same point, you see a... Firmittable, yeah, formidable without it being, like, silly. No, for sure. You buy it. You buy the transformation.

Starting point is 01:31:11 Or too much of, like, a pulp fantasy, I guess. Absolutely. Even though there is pulp and there is fantasy. And I talked about subverting expectations when we got to the whole thing with Deborah and not getting the reveal of Dexter, which I thought was done great. I literally thought.

Starting point is 01:31:25 thought we were going to end on the shot where they were on the boat. And they're like kind of free of no more of these guys and they've kind of completed the mission at hand and now they're going to ride off into the sunset, right? And that's where you would literally have your ending. But then they're like, now we're going to do Lord of the Rings

Starting point is 01:31:41 Return of the King, right? And we'll have some extra endings here. I appreciate it. No, no. Because you want it to end there. Yeah, which is understandable. And then when I'm hearing her side of it and having perspective of course yeah this is not the life for her

Starting point is 01:31:57 and of course nobody like Dexter didn't choose this life it chose him right he had the whole thing happened him with his mom and was born in blood right it's like they were this was thrust upon each of them yeah of course of course yeah by outside circumstances but this is way

Starting point is 01:32:12 she was way more formed of an individual when that happened yeah whereas he was a young child and yeah he was just forming yeah yeah and the fact of what she said like she felt nothing, you know, as she was sleeping and attempting to sleep as she couldn't sleep. I'm like,

Starting point is 01:32:29 I get it. This is just not the life for you. Like, you're not going to just sit at home and singing kumbaya while he's out doing his dark passenger thing every night. So I understood where they were coming from about that. And Dexter really does love her. And you could feel that raw, tender emotion

Starting point is 01:32:45 as he threw the plate. But I think that's also what love is. If you really do love someone, as hard as it is, as emotional as it is, as hard as it is you have to know when it's time to let go too even when you don't want to that's that's part of sacrificing and it's part of of loving another is when to sacrifice that love and unfortunately camber dexter a second time just in a different kind of way a different heartbreak yeah but but it is sort of like uh yeah it's heartbreaking individually but now she does

Starting point is 01:33:16 get to live on of course but he gave her something beautiful to live for now after such a horrifying and traumatic event. Well, and yeah, he literally gave her the tools to kind of create her own closure. You know, he's involved with. And a new path. Yeah, and I guess the last thing I'll say on this is, like, I do get why this is such a, you know, resonant season to a lot of people, because this is kind of the fantasy that you imagine when you think of, you know, the types of villains we dealt with in this particular season.

Starting point is 01:33:48 Like, this is whatever, a lot most people, I think, want to wish, happened you know it's like it's like inglorious bastards that's how much jews wish it it would have ended yes but with a less pulp you know exploitation movie flavor and a more you know sort of delicate handling you know again i think this could have gone too far into pulp you know territory and i think it handled it with tlc like i can imagine this season being tough for certain people to watch but also extremely cathartic because this is the kind of closure that people in this position probably dream about and most never get um so you know in a weird way you know there's all sorts of debate about when and how to depict this kind of you know harshness this kind of assault and oftentimes

Starting point is 01:34:35 it has argued that you don't need to and i can understand sort of a function for this for people because yeah this does allow certain viewers and again not everyone's going to be if they've had these experiences ready to that's why i said you got to be in the mood you got to watch in the right headspace but if you know if you are both of some of these experiences and in that right head space i could see how this might be very moving and very cathartic to see yeah somebody this character get to go out into the world off into the sunrise live the rest of her life now i would also venture to say this is one of the most ambitious seasons no doubt because of the things you are tackling in this season that it must have been very it must have been

Starting point is 01:35:22 little bit scary just to see like okay we really got to handle this with as i just said with tlc and because this can go wrong in so many different ways if we don't handle this properly so i i just think they did pointing i want to just point out how great of a job that i think they did yeah with the subject at hand so it's really great yeah nice job thank you so much emma we appreciate you please keep giving us questions we love you vampire toad thank you for chiming in i'd love to hear how and if they resonated with you and what you think of them uh when i first heard the line quote don't be sorry your darkness is gone i'll carry it for you always i'll keep it with i'll keep it with mine uh it hit me deep i've been

Starting point is 01:36:10 in that exact spot many a time also quote they make it look so easy connecting with another human being it's like no one told them it's the hardest thing in the world this to me is one of the most overtly neurodivergent lines in the series, the utter confusion watching people ease into simple connection while you sit and think, how. Right. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean... Yeah, go ahead.

Starting point is 01:36:31 No, like, I love the Dexter headspace, certainly, and yeah, a character like him is uniquely poised. And, yeah, like, you know, not all of us have this experience, but certainly if you're somebody who people can fight in and who people trust, and if you've ever had to help anybody through a tough situation, you know, you are sharing,

Starting point is 01:36:50 and helping to kind of ease the load of other people's darkness and, you know, some people kind of, some people reach out to you when they're having, you know, you have certain friends perhaps even that will commonly reach out when times are hard because, you know, it is

Starting point is 01:37:05 a, yeah, a unique bond to share with somebody in that, you know, if you can help alleviate some of their darkness, even though that exchange is an always even, you know, certainly Dexter is capable of bearing that darkness. And yeah, that was a beautiful moment. That was a real admission of love

Starting point is 01:37:22 I thought this idea that yeah you shouldn't be sorry the darkness is gone and we don't get to be together you should be glad because you're free of this like and even though Dexter

Starting point is 01:37:31 certainly is in his element with his darkness in a lot of ways you know it's also a troubling thing to various degrees and something that yeah if he was free of

Starting point is 01:37:42 might make for a much easier life so yeah and even though yeah we're not all living a Dexter lifestyle that was definitely a very resonant line. And then the other one, connecting. I like this take that. I mean, you know, Dexter has a lot of sort of neurodivergences, I suppose you could say. And, you know, I'm not the most neurodivergent person, but I'm certainly somewhat of a neurodivergent person. And even, you know, sometimes I'm very good

Starting point is 01:38:09 in social environments and sometimes I feel exactly like this, you know, that you are always good. Sometimes I don't always feel very good at it. And yeah, sometimes just being at a, you know, at ease and, you know, free-flowing with people is, is a lot harder than it seems like it would be. I think you get in your own head, my friend. Don't dexter yourself, okay? But we all do this, so. Yeah, these were great. Yeah, I love these.

Starting point is 01:38:31 I love, there were a lot of great dialogue, a lot of great scenes. I think I, well, not, I think. I know I agree with John. I was fully, a lot of words always have subtext in them, right? So when it comes to the, don't be sorry, your darkness is gone. I'll carry it for you always, and I'll keep it with mine. That is such an admission of love. doubt and also this is always going to be part of me yeah and for sure and always you will be a part of me

Starting point is 01:38:54 and i'm so glad like that you are free did he get his bloodslide oh my god does he not have a blood slide from freaking jordan chase oh that's a good question wait did we even see him do the cut didn't do the cut i don't think yeah remember we gotta go back he said it's all yours right to lumen so i mean i'm sure he could have grabbed it yeah but you know but i i think also too these lines don't be sorry your darkness

Starting point is 01:39:20 I don't care for you it really shows the growth of the character of Dexter and how much humanity has like progressed

Starting point is 01:39:26 throughout the series like it's not that he wasn't a human being when we started the show it's just we've seen him just

Starting point is 01:39:34 take a us an interesting path from the social awkward person that we started with to have it

Starting point is 01:39:43 starting a family with Rita and you know having surrogate kids rather like becoming their surrogate father rather and with astor and Cody and how they humanized him and changed him and he's grown and evolved and now what he's done for Lumen and also what Lumen has done for him after the traumatic event of Rita and I think this line just speaks so much even more than the love and and that he'll always hold what they had will always be in his heart there's just so much more like you can add subtext to it so I think think that that's how I would say resonated with me when it comes to how do we connect with other human beings for sure there's so many times when I've done that like it's not easy being with another person because there's so many things that we do that can at least for me like I can be annoying at times just whether it's my OCD being clean at home whether it's it but

Starting point is 01:40:36 also I can be very charming and whatnot there's there's strengths and there's weaknesses but that's another thing where I always talk about growing and evolving but But, yeah, I would say that in regards to Dexter, he's got the dark passenger. So it makes it for him a slight bit more complicated when he's looking at other people and comparing. I would say, I understand. It's a dark passenger, but it's also his feeling like he doesn't have any normal array of human emotion. Yeah, no, I get that. But I'm just taking it for what it is that I get why he's making the comparison as he's just gone through what he went through with Rita and with Lumen.

Starting point is 01:41:15 but he's looking at other people and he's having the and he's playing the contrast game with I've which I've played 10,000 times whenever I've seen couples and say how do they do this? What can I be taught? How do I do? And I think for Dexter it's like, dude, you deserve love. You really do, especially after everything you've been through and also that you are this great figure who comes down here to take out the evil in this world. So appreciative of you. But you are a special kind of human being where evil. got that dark passenger it's a very complicated issue so it that's why i think like with what happened with lumen i that's why i wanted things to really work out but i understand again from her perspective why things couldn't but that she saw the real dexter and i don't know if that's ever going to happen now maybe he's just cursed and not be until this life vanishes uh in terms of the dark passenger maybe he's not meant to have that love because you see the ramifications and the consequences, as I said earlier, of what happens with that, Rita, in the Trinity. So I hope everything works out for Dexter.

Starting point is 01:42:25 I know he got a family out of it, of course. It's nice to, yeah, and Harrison as well. But, yeah, I really feel for Dexter, but he still has those human emotions. Like, having this dark passenger, he knows how to balance it out at this point, too. I mean, he's good at blending in, like, a person who could connect. with other people. Well, he's grown a lot. But it is hard, like, you know,

Starting point is 01:42:48 and it's hard to be at ease in situations with other people and not be, you know, I know from my experience, not be self-conscious or not be constantly kind of judging yourself or, you know, just preoccupied or you don't feel like you're in the right mood.

Starting point is 01:43:01 There's so many things. It's weird. It's like you, I, you know, certainly have experienced moments where connecting is effortless, but also I've experienced tons of moments where I feel like a low, I feel, you know, like lonely

Starting point is 01:43:12 around a bunch of other people because I don't feel like I'm getting on the groove or connecting in the right way or just some kind of barrier that I can't quite see or describe as, you know, blocking me from doing so. So, yeah, a lot of, some good resonant line pulls here for sure. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:43:30 No, there's definitely some moments that go extra deep in this season for sure. So thank you so much, Vampire Toad. And for our final question, we also had some other questions after this, but unfortunately, we don't have time. So we're going to end on this one. All right.

Starting point is 01:43:44 from Jay Rushden. What up, Jay? Question. When Dexter blows out the candle on his son's cake, what do you think Dexter was wishing for in that moment? For me,

Starting point is 01:43:54 and this is just my interpretation, I was kind of feeling like he wanted his dark passenger to just vanish so he could kind of live a normal life. And maybe, I know not maybe be

Starting point is 01:44:05 with Lumen in that moment, but just go, have normal circumstances, rather not everything be so complicated. That's how I interpreted in that moment. I have to probably think a little bit harder, but that's where I was because he was surveying everyone and being observant to all the couples and then mentioning that as the line we just talked about, they make it look so easy connecting with another human being. So I do hope he takes the glass out full approach where he does at least appreciate what he does have with Harrison and Cody and Aster and the support system he does have with the incredible, and his sister Deb and all the other officer and his family unit that he has a,

Starting point is 01:44:44 at the department, Vince, and everyone else there, Angel. So I really do hope, like, because I think when we're in a time of healing and just, when we just need to get through, having a support system is so important, in my opinion. It's gotten me through some really dark times. So I really hope he takes that approach of just being a glass half full than a glass half empty type of guy. So that's how I interpreted, John. What was your interpretation of what he was,

Starting point is 01:45:14 wishing for I think in that moment he would have wished for Harrison to grow up being a normal kid to live a normal life I like that I think that's probably

Starting point is 01:45:24 what he that's to me what I would imagine I could see that about in that moment I could see that as a wish do you have a heart out

Starting point is 01:45:31 I was going to say if you have time we could just speed run these last questions because they are you know they are juicy we could do it

Starting point is 01:45:40 really quick we're going to do a couple more guys just a couple speed runners just because you know Emma part two What do you think about how they handled Dexter after Rita's death

Starting point is 01:45:48 Anything You Wish They Did Different I think that the start of the season with him I think the first two episodes Kind of centering around his grief And his unique experience of that grief Was an interesting thing Her death certainly looms over the season It didn't leave me in the moment

Starting point is 01:46:04 It didn't leave me in the moment Feeling like anything was missed Although I missed Julie Benz obviously And I know that she I think would have wanted to continue on the show but yeah I like that they made this whole season kind of both first off him trying to figure out how to deal with the grief in his own unique way and then him yeah trying to kind of write this wrong as a means of I don't know kind of yeah creating some semblance of at least counterweight you know yeah me being selfish because I want to see more Julie bends I get why they didn't do it but I would have loved if they could have done some stuff where in his subconscious he I like that they did at least show like the first date and what happened with her I thought that stuff was great and everything how they handled aside from that really done well because you really do feel how much this is afflicted and affected him throughout the season and then how Lumen is able to help him not get through it but just really help him heal through this tender set of events but through the the hairy subconscious thing that happens you could head a couple times where you you just had a had her there and then he it maybe the theme is letting go and then he's just

Starting point is 01:47:19 gets to a point where now with lumen or by the end of it he just has to he says in his subconscious and he's switching back and forth between rita and harry i just i have to let you go it's it's that time i'm he i will never let you go you always be here but it's it's time to to let go now i'm personally pleased we didn't get a rita apparition or anything like that i think harry is good enough and i like the way they used Harry here. I think to having that episode towards the start of the season

Starting point is 01:47:48 where you see how they met was a really nice send-off and you see the early moments when things before all this I think ending every giving us a send-off with everything that happened before when things were still

Starting point is 01:47:59 innocent I think was kind of an interesting call there I'm just saying it would have been interesting if they did them I'm not saying it would have worked but yeah I know I could see it

Starting point is 01:48:06 being an interesting thing yeah thank you for the question we appreciate it Vampire Toad got a couple from you here the first one because we've already touched on this i'll go kind of in reverse order i can't not mention deb letting him go in some way she has

Starting point is 01:48:18 her own sense of justice that lies beyond the law sometimes do you think she made the right choice we've already kind of talked about this but i do like you know your your point here that yeah she does she is a good cop and she's a dedicated cop but she has seen instances where the law fails and this is yeah she's seen the depth of depravity here so i think in that moment she's able to go these people push to the extreme are probably not evil and once this is done they're going to be done. And also, too, the fact that she was not the person who took out Biny. So if she could have done

Starting point is 01:48:50 something about it, I'm sure she would have loved to. So the fact that people are getting vindication and getting a cathartic release for doing these things, it probably feels vindicating for her as well. So, yeah, it's understandable where she's coming from. And then finally,

Starting point is 01:49:06 now that you've finished this particular season, it's also from Vampire Toad, has your perspective on Dexter's nature change? No. For me, it really cements the fact that Dexter had a chance to be a more normal functioning member of society. He has the capacity, but was groomed to become a killer from so young that the damage is done. Yeah, no, it has not changed. I'm, look, I would love for Texter to live a normal life and to, and to find happiness. He does have that with Coder, with Coder, with Coder, with Aster, and I combined Cody and Astor. Coder. With Cody and

Starting point is 01:49:37 Astor and with Harrison. So, and I love that they really humanize him and they bring him so much love and happiness. He had that for a short period of time here with Lumen. He had that for a short period of time with Rita. And look, I would love nothing more than for him to have that with another individual. Nothing would make me happier for Dexter. I don't know if that's I think Harry has made that quite apparent many, many, many times. You don't get to people like dark passengers don't get to, people who do this line of work don't get to have. happy endings like that. It just is not possible.

Starting point is 01:50:16 It doesn't mean it can happen, or have that normal life, rather. So I would love for that to happen. But to the beginning of your question is, has my perspective on Dexter's nature change? No, I'm so happy with what he does. There's a lot of trash in this world. And the fact that someone wants to throw it away on days that are not just Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday,

Starting point is 01:50:39 and as well as Saturday and Sunday, makes me appreciative that there are people like Dexter and the system doesn't always work, right? So unfortunately, granted, I'm not always the biggest fan of vigilantism, but if somebody needs to do something like this, like I'm not opposed to it, right? If the system is not working, so, no, I'm so appreciative of someone like Dexter.

Starting point is 01:51:04 I mean, my perspective, I think Dexter's nature is an interesting question mark always. It's kind of an open conversation to me. It's always sliding around a little bit. And I think in this season, I think it was this season, right? You get that moment from Harry where he comes in and he's like, you did something like purely out of concern for somebody else and because you wanted to protect them.

Starting point is 01:51:25 And I didn't know you had that in you. You know, I might have changed my entire approach if I knew that was in there. So I think Dexter's nature and nurture are always kind of developing or revealing new shades and elements depending. on what the stimulus is. It's weird. It's like, I think it's a debate always. You know, could he have turned out different?

Starting point is 01:51:46 If Harry hadn't chosen this exact approach, maybe. And I don't have, like, a full-on answer. But I do kind of agree with you that, like, Dexter had a chance to be something different if Harry had guided him in a different direction. So, like, him being a killer is something where I feel like, yes, the damage is probably largely done, as you put it.

Starting point is 01:52:11 But at the same time, I don't fully imagine that he could never give it up. But I think that would be very difficult. I think, yeah, there's a lot in his nature that has persisted since the original. But I think his emotional display and journey across all these seasons and what he discovers about himself. And, yeah, I feel like he's not maybe devoid of emotion. He just presents it and experiences it very differently. But, yeah, I think his nature is always an interesting question. Like how he presented emotion when Lumen was telling him.

Starting point is 01:52:41 that she couldn't live this life any longer. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's got it. I think his nature is an ever developing, ever sort of active conversation. Anyways, guys, that was season five. Episodes 11 and 12 and just season five as well. Let us know in the comments what you thought of this season. What is your ranking?

Starting point is 01:53:01 Without spoilers, of course, are you looking forward to us doing season six? We can't wait. John and I are so excited. So let us know. please share the video like the video engaged by commenting we'd love to hear all your thoughts we appreciate you guys so much if you stuck around with us this long we are so embedded and endeared to you seriously love you love you love you love you guys so much take care to continue don't forget to like and share and all that good stuff yes please take care be safe and remember take it take it

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