The Reel Rejects - Extended Version: HEATED RIVALRY Episodes 3 & 4 REACTION!! Scott & Kip Debut! (Aaron & Andrew)

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

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Oh, is this, what's happening? What's happening right now? Is he all up on him? He's right up on him. Oh, you guys. Oh, won't you stay with me? Let's go non-toxic love. Citizens of the Reject Nation, we continue the series of heated rivalry with season one,

episodes three and four, episodes one and two are already up on the channel. We are back with the real roomy, Errol. And myself, Andrew Flash Gordon, as we do before every reaction, we like to check in, see how we are feeling? Errol, how are we feeling today? Feel a little good, feeling a little hot in the moment,

but good overall, excited enjoying this show a lot. And yeah, thank you guys for all the people that wanted us to watch it, as well as Greg and John. We appreciate you guys, and I'm happy I finally get to be into the fold of what this heated rivalry is all about.

Andrew, how are you doing? And shout out to Olivia for suggesting this show. Nice job. And I understand why you were feeling hot. It's not just the setting of choice that is the heat that is in the building. It's what we're watching, too. I'm doing well. I'm enjoying the show, so I'm excited.

I can't wait to see what happens throughout the next two block of episodes. Without further ado, we're going to get right into this. So episode three, season one, commencing in three, two. I hear a Russian. I want some ice cream bad, man. You not find it weird that we're in a beach down in Russia in February talking about getting ice cream? Yep, I did. It's your Olympics, baby?

I said it should be right. Hey, isn't that? Oh yeah. Hollander. All right, so tonight we can do the men short form figure skating here. My buddy Joe is in that program. We're trying together. be cool to do that. I'd love to show him. Oh, yeah, man.

Wait, didn't we already see this? I know, but I think we're going to continue the scene after he leaves. Oh, okay. I'm ready for a dude to show up to a place like this and be like, hey, here's me. Russia is not safe for folks like that. His buddy. Athletes do not eat ice cream. You don't have those bodies like that and eat ice cream. Oh. Oh. He's gay. Is he? Today's first period topic is the inevitable one for the admirals. What has happened to is Scott Hunter. Seventy points last season.

Yes, and we're six games into this season. This is one of the songs I put on the stories. Hmm. I can't imagine he's amazing in the room right now. And he's already been announced as Team USA captain at the Olympics in Russia. What? Zone it out. Wow.

Looks like he might be a big focus on this episode. Yeah, the episode was called Hunter. I didn't even see that. Good catch. Strawn Barry. Is he going to meet a big focus? fine young man here sleeping on the job dang it kip i am very sorry about that fully not a big deal how may i'll be you're really sorry you'll give me your number in your

social media what's uh what's good just a bunch of very decent smoothies with deeply stupid names um i mean the best one's the blueberry one i love blueberry smoothies just when i make it for myself in the morning i add a banana oh so you're kind of wild it wouldn't be the first time somebody's told me that oh they're flirting they certainly are i take that if it's okay to order off menu technically it was my idea so i think we can get away with it this time go to him shout out john it's like josh chumel kind of oh you weren't kidding it's really hot yeah the banana makes a big difference i think i know i guess it must uh lots of flirting and subtext going on here.

That's way too much for you. It's a great smoothie. Thanks again, Kip. Oh, the co-worker there the whole time. That's a fun reveal. That was Hunter. Was that Scott Hunter? Was that what?

Scott Hunter, the hockey player. A girl. Two-one for Anaheim, we have rules. This is what we're watching. We barely get to see you because you're always working, but at least when we do, we get to watch hockey. Thank you, Kyle. Thank you, Kyle.

Thank you, Kyle. We're welcome. Okay, so Scott Hunter and Shane are on the same Olympic team, but they're not on the same American team. Fuck both of you, okay? Camp is short for Christopher. It's both of you, okay? Is it?

Is it? I never heard that. I did not either, but... Please don't tell me you use that name on your grad school application. Oh, my God. I've never heard that before. I did not either, but happy to be educated. Sure, look, right now.

I'm not okay. Decided for Green Lantern show. Me too. And he's go. It's all the smoothie. You get, he knows your name. You get credit for that, Kip. He scored a hat trick last night.

Are you asking me what that means, or are you just telling me something I already know? That means he's coming in for another smoothie. Yep. Nice to see you again, Kip. There he is. Ah, said his name again. You're Scott Hunter, right?

I am. This is awesome. I watched last night. Wow. They flirting the heart, Andrew. When something goes right with my game, I try to repeat it. Superstition. I get that as a sport as an athlete.

Writing on the wall. So I'd love another smoothie, please. Dave. Said, I want that banana. You really can't keep doing this. I really can. See you next game day, I hope. Dude.

Girl. Sorry, I'm late. No outside food or drink. What about, Kyle. This is fascinating, taking the, uh, story perspective right now in this angle yeah off of hollander and ilia you're still coming with me to that fundraiser though right because i'm not looking for a date but i'm invested same immediately did you please listen to me karl remote extra shrimp thank you

our man's when's his next home game come on if you don't know when his next home game is how are you going to plan your next shift i don't plan my shifts i just gobble up as many as i can they play at home again on saturday are you working um He's going to say I am now. No. Fix that. Or you could just hang around the shop. Oh, there he is.

Yeah. Hey. It's nice to see you. Come on. It's so obvious. That he and, I can anyone deny it. Yeah, but there is the number on the cup, dog. He's a very famous athlete, and there's the fear of rejection.

That's true. That's true. May I drink this year? I've got some emails to answer, so I thought. Yeah. You totally may. the look back is very telling though you're not worried about breaking your routine

no I'm not actually that obsessive turns out I'm too lazy to be a serial killer a serial killer is someone who kills multiple people minimum three but over a period of time it's not all at once period of time yeah how do you know that I read a lot of murder books it's the psychology of it I'm fascinated well I've read some things about athletes

okay before you say anything else yes I agree and yes, there are at least two guys on my team that possibly off the record, yes, maybe. Okay, so what, no left sock, right sock, stop shaving, no, all that stuff? Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of that. But that's not CT stuff, that's just science. And just to be clear, I'm not complaining about the whole stop shaving thing.

I mean, you all look like hot lumberjacks by the end of May. Oh, like that was a revealing comment. How do I respond? Do you want to come to my game tonight? Oh, Andrew? Man, that's crazy. Thank you. Super happy to do it. You sure?

I'm sure. These are better than my company seats. Ah. You know, we're a first date, but I think I'm into this. Oh, wow. That wasn't to me. That was... He just nodded at you.

Love how he's trying to deny the obvious. Wait, fuck for sake. Okay. Good job. I love you. Oh, we're going back to our guys. Yeah, intertwining because they're playing against Ilya. Too bad you can't play at home every night, right? It's better for you, huh?

Curse off, Rosenov. It's more fun if you're there. Ha. Day litter. Oh, versus Hollander now. Hope next time we play decide to show up. Cheap. True.

Starting to sound like him. I'm sorry, what? Rosenoff. You fucking hurt me, Hollander. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Well, there is something here. Ooh. Fighting hockey.

I, uh, I'm proud of your hustle. You can get that scholarship of anyone. Please, no, James, hear me. Oh, way, no way. Good night. Oh. How does it happen? Oh, overslept.

What's your problem? I can't find my black suit, and I have to leave so, so soon. Okay, well, it's with the dry cleaning in my closet. Hey, are you okay? Yeah, I'm fine. There's one ripped barista. Got to be in shape to pour that coffee and the smoothies. Yeah, man.

is that hunter is that hunter oh you're a mess it's okay it's not my only talks oh all people Sean please don't fire me no one is firing you just calm down and get your shit together okay I know you need the money baby

oh such a supportive friend exhale yeah his heart is probably just re-secreted Yeah. Oh. Oh, gave him the wink. Who shit. I am so sorry about earlier.

That woman is horrible, and I'm the one who should apologize. I was standing right in front of the kitchen door like an idiot. No, I'm the idiot. I'm sorry. I have to. Do you like Mexican food? Yeah. Of course.

I'm not a syrup killer. Nice call back. Do you have the time to grab a bite with me? like when this this thing is over tonight yeah with you um wow um yeah no by yourself um you don't mind waiting

tell him down not even a little I'm not gonna lie I like our other storyline but I feel like this drew me in quicker that's really good that's a long line we also don't actually have to do this how would you feel about ordering him oh

oh oh oh damn this is a sick-ass place. Oh, my God, with a fire blaze? Why didn't I make it in professional sports? This is insane. Do you want a full tour now? Or?

Epicor. All right, who's more in shape? Did you guys order food yet? I think they're having the five-course meal right now. This is the entree.

Well, you are so beautiful. You know what is interesting? dude he said remember when hollinger it was episode one or two when hollinger and him and chain or hollinger and ilia were at the hotel room they're like i don't want hunter to hear this it wouldn't have been a big deal i mean they didn't know but he might have said can i join in their relationship i know it's just their first time it feels less toxic than the other one i still like the other one a lot oh i do i like the relationship i hear what you're saying though I totally feel you.

What are you doing? I didn't want to wake you. And I just thought since you have your game tomorrow and... Is he saying stay? Is he telling him to stay? Can you stay? Oh, you guys. Oh, won't you stay with me?

But on one condition, you have to make me a blueberry smoothie with a banana. In the morning. Yes. Let's go non-toxic love. Oh, please. tell me he didn't leave. Please, Aaron. Did you leave him?

Maybe he had to go to work. Maybe he had to go to work. Yeah, but I feel like you. Oh. He's making it a smoothie. He's making him a smoothie. Ah. But do you have banana?

He does have banana. He's a professional athlete. They have everything, Aaron. Okay. I meant to surprise you, and I was going to go out and get stuff, but I looked in your fridge and you basically at all the ingredients.

The professional athletes have everything. And I thought, since I'm not working today, but you still have a game that you'd probably still want you. Oh. Hello. Can I fuck you? Absolutely.

Get yourself a significant other who knows you like this without having to say anything and we'll make you what you want in the morning. That part. I should probably go. What a contrast to our other relationship we're seeing. What if you didn't? Whoa. Go? No.

Like ever? Yeah, just stay forever. All that's your killer talk is you wanted me with. Oh my god, imagine the show went dark and did that shit. Yeah, they're crazy. I'm going to say a bunch of things, okay? I know I'm too intense. Everyone tells me that, but I just, I can't help it.

Is it okay? Can I be too intense? Yeah. I love you. I never do this. Never brought anyone back here. My life is, uh, is complicated. Yeah, I get that.

And I can't, um... No one can know? Too many people depend on me for too much, and it would just never fuck everything up. Oh, that sucks. But you feel that way. You, it's just, I want you so bad. And I know that you barely know me, so why would you even consider something this? I know I'm fucked up, I get it.

I'm not pretending, I'm not. But I really, really like you. And I want you to stay. Oh. That was really heartfelt. And I want you to be here when I come home from my game tonight. I want you more than I've wanted anything in a long time. Oh.

I think I'd love it. to be here when you get back and I don't think you're too lazy to be a serial hey just moved in with him house husband this is how practice was let me reenact it for you go over the playbook with Elena dad I'm saying with Elena oh yeah because he says he has to keep it a yeah because he says to keep it I mean, Hunter just said they have to keep it a secret. But I'm talking about the fact that he's even not out of the closet.

Right, right, right. Oh, my God, guys, he's a customer. He's not my boyfriend. Oh, I don't have a fucking boyfriend. How would you classify this relationship? Friends with benefits. Secret boyfriend. Morning, Scott.

Morning, Kit. Do you go, please? You guys have a back room here. Thanks. I'm sure what I'm going to do without these on my road trip. I'm pretty sure they have smoothies and other. cities not like these they don't oh dude i love the subtle sub texas what's that it's an application i love he has a new shot oh cool let's go see it what hey i'm not just a

pretty face either no no you're also a very very hot body hey oh he's got to go incognito yeah we don't have to do this you're gonna be incognito you're gonna be incognito just two homies we want to see some art I mean I assume that you're gay yeah yeah I mean literally what if it was just his friend and they were going to see art right it's not a big deal amazing isn't it

so you too just browsing or shopping to buy oh I think we're yeah I think we're just browsing right now thank you excuse me I'm not with him I don't know him sorry he's not feeling well no problem the problem dog gonna have a panic attack I'm really sorry

I thought I could do that. I really thought I could. I wanted to. I just, it's okay. I appreciate that he's being understanding about it. Oh. It's not an excuse, but I get that he's in a profession where it's ostracized. I think he feels like his life is ruined or changed forever if he comes out.

Road trips are just killing me. I mean, it's brutal. Dude, this place is so sick. Would you be jealous if I got my smoothies from some other guy? Maybe. Probably. Yeah. Well, what if I filled you in on all the juicy details, like how he blended them?

Or what if you always kind of had one with you? What do you mean? Forever smoothie? Hey, I know it's dumb. I know it's dumb. But I saw them in a bodega and I thought they looked like you're swimming. I love them. Yeah.

I love them so much. But you love him. Oh, he wearing those socks. Somebody going to notice those socks and say something? Hunter hasn't scored twice in an away game since last seat. It's the socks. What? Say it out loud.

Say what? Admit it, you're dating. Here's what I know. Hell, I know. Shut up. You're in love with him. I'm not in love with him. You are.

I'm in lust with him. Have you at least told your dad? He has not told his dad. Anyone finds out that it's... That it, Scott. Obviously, I'm not going to tell anyone, but... He can't come out right now, okay? He really wants to.

I've never been happier. Oh. Couldn't be happier if you can be. in public and be free. What does your dad think? I'm fucking so married guy, probably. I had a feeling his dad did know. Scott's going to be there tomorrow night too.

Oh, I know. And he better be ready for me. Oh. That's the picture you took in the locker room. Yeah. Oh. What's the surprise? Hey, dad.

Oh, my God. You're not dead. No, I'm live. hope he is not a serial. There's a lot of hints of serial killers. You're going to be making appearance here at some point, the near future? Yes, I will. He's been coming home lately.

And, um, nothing in the mail, right? If there was something in the mail, I would not have forgotten about it. Application. Don't think about that, okay? It's going to come when it comes. Look, I'm not going to keep you. I love you. Got a nice, wholesome relationship with his father. Okay, bye.

Bye, bye. Nothing bad ever happened to this dad. He's so sweet. what did he do what did he do what's the surprise what's he said we're my man oh oh that's so sweet he's here you need to chill out can i have some yours ah ha ha ha ha ha oh excuse me gentlemen i think i spotted an old friend you know your parents would be so proud of you right your mom especially she would have just been thrilled thanks top thanks his mom would have been thrilled interesting I'm Kip, right?

Christopher, when he's all dressed up. Mm-hmm. You look beautiful. You both do. Oh, sly. Are you enjoying the evening? I am. Are you?

Looking forward to the after party, I'm sorry. Hey. Okay. Elena knows. And I'm sorry. Yeah, kind of got that. She kind of figured it out, and I guess I had to tell someone. It's okay.

Really? I guess that, dude, when you bottle in feelings like that. It's going to pour out. And he didn't, like, just say it. She got it out of him. I want to dance. Elena's a killer. Not a serial killer.

Is she a spree killer, though? She could be. So, what are your intentions with my kith? He's crazy about you. I'm crazy about him, too. He's also miserable. Are you miserable, too? No.

Don't do that. Don't get all in the pot of their relationship. I've been honest I know and he's so in love with you that he'll put up with it but it's killing him You gotta come out Hunter

Be brave I'm not saying any of this To be mean I'm really not And you seem great But he's great too He deserves the best The limo driver could know

I'm sure they have to Like maybe they saw Non-Disclosure Agreements and they have They're not allowed to say anything Lomo drivers see all kind of things So Yeah

Wouldn't be surprised And so do you You deserve to be loved out loud Curious if he does come out, like, what the repercussions are going to be? And then, like, it's a prerequisite for Ilya and Shane. I think they got more problems outside of coming out, though. A couple of my friends are trying me just, like, a little party there. It's not even really a party.

It's just hanging out or whatever. It's a gay bar. It's honestly more of a hockey bar now, thanks to me. It's too. You can't. And I was thinking that you could just come as my friend. I mean, Maria knows. My friend Sean knows.

They know that you buy smoothies for me It's too hard for him We can't do it I can't do that It's not fair man I want to tell everyone I want people to know that I love you I love you too

That the first I was saying I think so And in a few years I know I know how it sounds But it'll go by quickly I promise And then we can be normal We did say that in their first conversation

That this is how it was gonna be He was very direct I know that they're your family and that you feel responsible for them, and I get that. I keep lying to them, and I don't want to. I get his perspective, too. I miss my dad. Sorry, that's not what I meant.

It's okay, I know what you meant. I don't know why with the... I'm going to go home tonight. I need to. This feels sad, but the lack of music makes it feel a little ominous, too. For those of you who've attended before, feel free to ignore my sob story

and go straight to the bar. Oh, we're cutting back to the speech, okay. Yeah, nonlinear. My parents were both junior hockey coaches, and they were hit by a drunk driver when I was 12 years old. My God, oh my God. Shit.

Died instantly. Mercifully for me, the St. Thomas Scholarships existed. I didn't have anybody else to help me. A huge hole in my heart. St. Thomas filled it with hope. Things weren't always easy. In hockey, I found what I was missing. The family I craved, the family that I needed

that I still need today. Hockey gave it to me, and St. Thomas gave me hockey. I love that's cutting back and forth to Kip. I want to thank you all for being here tonight and for supporting this cause because it's not just a scholarship. It's everything that comes with it. It's a whole world.

That's sad. Everybody had a prodigal son. Return to home. Look, I got a mail here for a certain someone and it's pretty heavy. Oh, the application? My boy, come here. What's up?

I'm sorry. Well, boy, you got nothing to be a story for, silly. Their values aren't aligned. looking at the life he could have with him right we've been here already in episode yeah we're coming back to the beginning good dress man school middle fucking game yeah totally

banana socks oh is to hide the socks under his other socks that's him hiding his identity yeah like a facade oh man oh sad man great episode all right starting in one a two and a three episode four having good night that's nice think there's still time for a head track hey should i do now or wait a second because i don't know this second is more fun but yeah might get to 50 goals tonight Professional athletes love to run.

That's how they get those abs. You've given this girl for years, man. Damn. Throwing it back. And show me that label. I know you said Keanu Rios, that there's another actor he reminds me of. I just can't pinpoint it.

Not wholly Keanu. They're just the element. Some of him are there. Like I said, devil's advocate. I can really see it. I feel like there's another one I'm missing. Was that the last time we saw them together? No.

Oh, this is leading up to that last time, I think, right? Metroes are hoisting the MLH Cup. What a feeling it must be for Captain Shane Hollander. Damn, it's been seven years since we started the show. The seven year on again, off again, a relationship? Oh. Another girl. He just strings him along.

He deserves better. Great, Shane. Look over your shoulder. You look great, okay? Not your meat puppet. Let's get the shot and get out of here. Just to remind me here, is this after their last encounter? Is this before?

It's all after. This is all after. Okay. Jane Hollander and the Montreal Metroes are your MLH champions for the second. year and row. Nice, nicely done. Oh, that, that phone's finished, right? I mean, hoping to be waterproof or liquid proof at that point. I don't know. I don't know when Apple started doing that. Oh, I love the competitive spirit and edge that these two get on with each other. It's a heated rivalry. It is. But being someone who's so into sports and like I would do this

shit with my friends too, especially when we knew we were going to play each other, we were would like go back and forth i don't think we had phone uh text messages and cell phones at the time but maybe we had i ms and stuff like that but we would oh dementia we did a great job of communicating that you're just trying to cope because of this external factors going on in his life oh he's not paying attention to her damn you don't want her or her Purple What color is it cute Imagine if that guy came out

Okay Wow That's the stuff That's cool imagery Yeah It's like they're in the upside down With lightning That's funny

I had to make a stranger things reference We didn't make one in episode three That's true Montreal 2016 Dang Got to visit one day

The place where my father was born She's what Pregnant? Jackie's pregnant. Again? Oh, Jesus Christ, man. You gotta work on your lying. No, I mean a fourth kid. That's awesome, man. Two more, and you guys will be the Brady Bunch. So when are you gonna join me in this nightmare? Jeez, hey, you want to get me pregnant, too?

I don't think I'm ready. I think I still have some good hockey left for me. Huh. Was it Jennifer? Uh, Jessica. You ever hit that? Don't say hit that. Oh, sorry, Virgin Mary. I'm not. I'm not. Let's go see Uncle Shane.

Oh. Bring her around, you know? do a couple stuff it'd be fun i don't see her anymore i think she's engaged or something so um jackie is this friend ooh dude she's fucking hot she teaches like mommy yoga or something i don't know maybe it's just stretching but she's seriously hot and she's funny swear jar two times mm-hmm i mean children do absorb that that stuff at that age that jack's really happy we both have to make your wife happy now yeah damn right we do um excuse me are you Shane Hollander can we get a picture we Like, that's what my license says.

Kind of have my hands. A fool moment. Could you hold his baby for him, please, so we can get a picture? Damn. They're on the same team. That's crazy. Hold his baby. I'm sorry, buddy.

I know, but people usually remember the superstars, but I agree with you. Yeah. You're the worst one. Jeez. Nark! I'm getting a bit shocked in me. Way too late. Mm-mm.

But this is Shane Hollander's Fortress of Solitude. Oh, my God. Jesus. Holy shit. I thought we have stayed, to see what, and no matter what? It's kind of a skunker, that I feel with him. So, he, really is a good man. Speaking of hot, you are not bad yourself.

You're with someone you're not together? Just, friends with benefits as well. You know? You know, you know. You know, that's not with Jain? Mm. What? You've already,

you know, maybe it's something... Serious or... Nothing serious. Okay. Oh, Sasha. Stay away from Sasha. You stay away from Sasha. I'm out head now for a bit. To meet a friend.

Nice. It's not like that. It's just a friend. So, Lily's just a buddy? Hey. Chill out, man. I know you text him a girl named Lily. I don't. Okay, go get laid weird up. My assumptions... I'm guessing they're in Boston. Did you get this built or do you know who did?

You think we need to talk? No, after. not a lot of talking in this relationship whereas the other one there is yeah the other one there's a lot I should go or you could stay told Hayden what cares what you told Hayden he didn't knows you're with lily you're good told you to get laid this is the first time he's really asked to stay with them has a change is the first time we've ever seen them sleeping together this is true I'm hungry for what for food This guy ran Bryce.

You did a season with him, right? He is not what you would think. Like, he's quiet. Doesn't talk. Very reserved. Not bad guy. Doesn't make friends. Well, he gets traded every season.

Tough to make friends that way. Buffalo is terrible. Yeah, and their team sucks, too. And people say you're not funny. Who says that? Me. What's your favorite city of playing? Montreal.

I like to New York. Because... Oh. It's where Hunter. They fucking hate you there. They hit you. We know, not Florida. He's full of Boston people. And you?

Not like Ottawa. Boston. What? That's boring answers? Yes. Well, I like the hot places too. Hot like weather hot. There is a girl I like you very much, Skidlana.

She's old friend from Russia. She knows everything about talking. She does. It was really hot the way she was describing. She likes you very much. Ask nice. We're gonna do a little menager-tois? So she's like your girlfriend?

She's old friend. Sometimes we f***, but... Sounds perfect for you. Yes, he's close to them. You can see, uh, it's kind of hurts him. He's more jealous of. But he's nothing more than it, or either of us. You think she's the only woman in Boston who'd sleep with you?

I think I will find someone else. So they're rivals with benefits. I'm like, I don't know if I can call them friends exactly. You like them? They make good friends. Girls. Oh, yeah, sure. Of course I do.

I never hear about you with girls. I'm private. So no. I like girls. Yeah, no shit. But I also like you. Lucky me? Not this person.

Of course. Yeah, I've got to mention. He said, he said not he said, he said, he didn't remember. Paulina, there's a woman, Papa, Papa,

he should not be angry. He should not be alone. He should not be alone. that's why he pays him that makes a lot more sense now i don't think it was like that originally but i think it's become that how's your father oh he speaks russian now i you speak russian now i know the word for father oh they're gonna cuddle in their relationship is definitely the more i guess quote-unquote feminine of the two clearly wants something more without wanting to say it he's more like distant and casual and no

hell yeah and he called him vice first when you know we're getting to a harmonious place in the relationship and we're calling each other by the first name we should go go to meeting in the morning i forgot okay you forgot to me then i can't do this i'm sorry it's confusing for him honey have you decided about wimbledon i want to go to wimbledon so bad it's really well you certainly love the money and they're great seat and they're next to a Are no, actually a Swedish princess.

They do have a grand salam. Meeting a Swedish princess could be fun, right? I get like two weeks off a year. I don't want to spend it next to someone. I don't know. Can I get anyone a drink? We'll take this Shabli. I'll get a vodka.

It's a Russian drink. We don't have that. Sparkling water? Sure, thank you. I'm sure you could have a glass of wine if that's what you are. No, I can't. Not during the season. There is some tension here.

Sorry, I'm in a weird mood. Anything you want to talk about? This is a suppress so much, man. I'm just going to use the line. The Swedish princess? Oh, so conflicting. I want to say, it's the same thing

what Kip was going through, just keeping everything contained in within. Hollander, what up? My buddy, Pansua, the chef, you remember him? He's having an after-hour thing at his restaurant and get this. The cast of the X-Q-Q-Q-Wod movie

they're filming in town is here. Yeah, let's go. How is X- Squad? All of them? Maybe, like the James Gun, David Eyre films, a different name for those. Okay, guys, this one never needs his fucking house.

Do you have any ginger ale? I mean, I do. Oh, there's going to be somebody else? Shane Hollander, and have whatever he wants here. Hey. Oh, he's definitely going home with him tonight. It's all in the house. It's an honor.

When you're rich and famous here, and you don't have to pay for anything. Everything's on the house. I've heard. Rose Landry's here, man. Jeez. That is. I don't either.

Are you here to help me finish these fries? Oh. Jesus Christ, these are so good. I'm Rose, by the way. I think it's Rose Landry. Pick fan. So am I? I'm surprised to know that I'm a fan of yours.

I'm a fry, Shane Hollander. Troy's not going to go easy on you tomorrow night. You're fair going to go home together. Like, just because he feels the pressure and, like, the Swedish. Yeah, maybe this is the test for him to see if he's by or if he's, Um, I was eight. I played this girl who gets kidnapped and held for ransom. Oh, wow. My Bill Paxon.

I know him. Oh, R.I.P. Bill. I've been kidnapped in no less than four movies. But did Liam Neeson save you in any of those movies? They literally have me murdered. If they find out, I told you. Kevin Feigey's got a sniper somewhere. Okay. In your turn, paint me a picture. Well, I'm definitely on the ice somewhere. Probably just having fun.

Playing on a Little League team called The Mighty Ducks. Did it stop being fun? I bet that being the only Asian. kid didn't make it less intense. I wasn't the only one. There was one other. I did not realize he was Asian. Yeah, see it in his mom. This isn't your first time in Montreal, though.

I was here a few years ago shooting this FBI movie. Underdark? No, that movie is so bad. It's not great. Don't say that to someone. No, you're good. That's better. Say you are great in the movie. I'm here for a week, and it was the summer.

Kind of different in the winter, though, right? Michigan, remember? Your winter doesn't scare me. You know what show is? shot in Canada, I earned. So, are you going to be in town a little while this time? Oh. Okay. They're going home together? Love the imagery with the snow

in the background. It's really cool. Contrast of the green in the background with the brown on the inside. Yeah, I agree with what you said. It's just experimental for him, but I think she might fall hard for him. Rod, you got to see you. Good. Good. Not Holland. It's not Hollinger.

Oh, oh, shit. I had a feeling it was that. The two met at a mutual friends party, according to unnamed sources. I've never seen Rose as happy the source goes on to say. Oh. Now you're all jelly, aren't you? He's like, no! And there's Rose Landry wearing a Shane Hollander jersey.

That's going to upset some Detroit fans. It's like she's Taylor Swift, Aaron. Ha. I wonder if Greg made that comment in this episode. the star seems quite happy to let tongues wag about her new love as long as he doesn't spoil anything about the highly anticipated X- Squad sequel Davy he's salty he's been just so available for him on the ready for all these years and now he's not I was all mad about it oh it's what you get fool

still jocking for the top oh Boston versus Montreal now or Shane Hollander and the Montreal metros will look to put some distance tonight between themselves and their arch rivals to bust the shit. Oh, he's going to check him hard. Oh, they're going to fight. They're going to fight on the field. Slash the ice.

I hope he doesn't cheat on her with him. Ooh. Now it's iPhone messages. I mean, we've seen the progression of time, so it makes sense. Technology's gotten better, right? actual apple or we know it to me now oh oh this is personal the visiting boston raiders managed four shots on goal in the third period as montreal will take what they can get tonight

but where on the ice was Shane hollander yeah he was just so conflicted in his own headspace i need the good lead let's go out we find the fucking club tell people you know this guy looks like a little bit david spade i can see it i mean when you're the this big of a superstar in sports. You, not to degrade any, anybody, but you can get late pretty easily. Yeah, fair. Hi, handsome.

I was so scared for a sex. She was talking to I don't know why. The way they framed it made it seem like that. I don't know why. With the colors, I made it seem like that for sure. Did you watch the game too? Yeah, I watched a few clips on Rose's phone,

but it was a sweaty blood. Miles, don't be terrible. I have no problem watching sweat. But Ilya's there. Okay, I want to dance. Come on, I never get to dance. Okay, that is a lie. Hey, I want to dance with Shane.

Yeah, that makes two of us. Yeah, he said, I don't want to dance. And then he said liar. Or she said, I won't make you dance. He said liar. Oh, looking at Ilya. Oh, Miles is looking at Elya. That's going to get messy.

She starts trying to hook up with the girlfriend. friend's friend you know hollander's going to hear about it yep dude that shirt is a vibe i love that oh his cheetah shirt yes oh is he realized that ilia's probably there if he's looking at those two that's my guess right probably he's dancing behind him this freaking game that they're playing what is this what's happening

what's happening right now does she know I'm not sure because he's all up on him he's right up on him he's going to fight him because they want to love each other but they can't

whoa oh it's just making him jealous damn how could you my god playing freaking mind games because you're salty the guy you never choose got somebody else

and now you're trying to make him jealous so toxic that's working I guess it is but I hate that they ought to do that not not from a writing point of view like a character action I understand why they're doing it I just don't like it

Aw, that's sad doing a pan out like that, both of them. Oh, there's a matter of imagining each other? Yeah, they're thinking about each other right now. Yeah. There are these episodes. That was a great way to showcase that. Yeah. All right, guys, that was episodes three and four of season one of heated rivalry.

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Just quick thoughts. what did you think of episodes 3 and 4 before we get to the questions episodes 3 and 4 oh excuse me 5 and wait yeah is that we're on 3 and 4 right yeah okay I thought you were questioning and I was like wait

did we just watch 3 and 4? No no no yeah 3 and 4 by bad yeah go ahead 3 and 4 buddy 3 and 4 were really good man that was really great I am really impressed by the show's ability to really draw you in

to its characters in a way that is beyond the obvious, beyond just dialogue, but certain looks, certain camera choices, the way that we play with lighting. I think it's all really, really impressive. I was really, really enjoying episode three. I think that it did a great job of endearing us to these two characters pretty instantly

between Kip and Hunter, and you really felt their love. You really felt the plight of, you know, Hunter wanting to embrace this life, wanting to embrace the love of his life but he can't because of the fear and the repercussions he feels come with that and then you know kib wants to fully embrace his life and he can't because he loves him so much but he feels like he can't fully be himself and be honest with the world and the way that he wants to even though he is out he's out in public with his sexuality but he

can't be open and honest with his father. And it seems like he has a really close relationship with his dad. His dad seems so kind and sweet and loving and accepting of him. And I really love that I have that relationship. So it was a bummer and really sad that, you know, they couldn't be with each other. At least that's what the implication was at the end, that they can't be with each other because of, you know,

this life the hunter has. And Kip not wanting to settle for less than what he feels he deserves. And you kind of get not the exact. same thing, but like a similar thing with with Shaded Illy. Shane and wanting to not settle for less than what he feels he deserves.

You know, they just hooked up. They were having this multi-year thing and then here Ilya is talking about like the different girls he's hooking up with and you know, he has like somebody, but they're just friends and probably going to get somebody else. He just doesn't really treat him with a sense of care or importance.

You know, it's like you get a little bit and then you lose some. with a sense that, you know, finally they have the sleepover, but then, you know, after the fact he's talking about all these other people, and you clearly see this is something that's hurting, hurting Shane. And, yeah, you just can't do it anymore. But, you know, there's still this multi-long history and attachment there. Even though they don't see each other frequently,

there's this history and attachment there. And it's very well illustrated in that final moment there. Yeah. But, yeah, I think this is still great, still very well-written and well-acted. and I'm enjoying it. It's very riveting, and I love how dramatic it can be. Well, like I said in the first two episodes, especially being from someone who's very competitive,

someone who's played sports early, someone who teaches sports. I love the psychology that they get in, especially with guys who are dating each other too and are romantically linked. That's really the most intriguing part for me. Yeah, another two great episodes. I really thought episode three,

I'll get to episode four momentarily, because we're going to get into the questions in a second as well. I thought that was such an ambitious choice saying, we're going to pause on Ilya and Shane for this, for the most part, this entire episode, we're going to focus on Kip and Hunter. And we're going to, and like, I was instantly drawn to that relationship, seriously, like, right away.

Immediately. Yeah. And I thought it was, I thought it was, as well, I really liked that we got to see that it wasn't a toxic relationship like Ilya and like with, Shane as well, and I think a big part of that has to do with that I mean, obviously

we know that Hunter's his family, as we got to go through the episode a little bit more, we got to learn more of the backstory of both characters especially with Hunter and like really made me shed a tear and especially learning that his parents lost their lives in a DUI

accident. It was really dreadful and sad to hear. And then also too, so he's got a lot of grief and trauma that he's dealing with. And then also, too, when it comes to Kip's character, he's just a really sweet and dearing, compassionate person. And also, he's got such a great relationship with his father. And I think because of this, that's why they're able to not have such a toxic relationship.

Yeah. And I think that's, we mentioned, too, while we were watching it, I think that's why Ilya and Shane have such a, even though, like, when things are really going well, it's not as volatile, but when things are, when he's not communicating, I think how big part of that is because of the environment he grew up around, whether it's his brother or whether it's his father. And then like as we get more of the story fleshed out or the characters fleshed out in episode four even, and we find out like, because they gave us a little hints of detection of that with the dimension.

Now we find out like he's really giving his brother all this money to, because he's in Russia and he's got, he needs his brother to take care of his, of his father. So, but again, you really, understand that trauma and that relationship and this is why like he has such a tough time being vulnerable around Shane but then you see the the relationship with with uh kip and with um with hunter and like immediately it just clicks and i just i felt so bad because hunter wants to be with him but a big part of it at least from my interpretation the way i i was reading it was a big part was his profession and how

I don't think personally it was just that he's afraid like how people are going to react if he comes out if he wasn't a professional sports athlete I think a lot of it has to do with that because in as you pointed out in episodes one and two it's such a masculine sport but also too it's just it's a very ostracizing thing when you are a professional athlete and people have their opinions

but also too it's like a private club if you will when you're a professional athlete and you're the superstar and people can be very ostracizing and volatile when it comes to that type of thing and it could be a PR thing which it shouldn't be honestly

you're just you're with someone who gives a crap so yeah but I felt bad like you could really feel in the actor did such a great job who played Hunter you could you could see when they're private how in love and in lust they were

and just how into KIP he was and like I really like was speaking to me in my heart and my soul like how much like they embodied each other and how much they were into each other but then when they were in private like whether they were going to get art for the house or something

you could feel like just the facial expressions and how scared he was of being outed and being caught possibly and like you could see almost like panic attacks happening and I genuinely like I wanted him to be in a place where he wasn't afraid to be you know with this man

and no one would judge him and I wish we lived in a world, at least for professional athletes and just men in general, where it's not that big of a deal where people know those type of things. So it just, I really felt awful for the character. And then you feel at the end of the episode when he's looking through the mirror,

or the glass window rather, and he sees him. And he, like, he imagines, I can only imagine he's thinking of a life where he's with him. And he's maybe not a hockey player. It doesn't have to worry about these things. So, I mean, there's a lot of pressure being a professional athlete. Yeah.

So just an incredible episode. Like I said, the writers took a bold move there, just putting a full pause on the two main characters of Shane and Ilya that we had in the first two episodes and putting a focus on these two. And I thought it really worked for me. And then getting into episode four, I loved episode four as well. And I think it was fascinating as well, seeing having him finally come to the realization that he,

he's finally communicating with him. He wants him to stay. And I thought that that was a big growth and evolution for Ilya. And also, too, seeing the contrast to that when he starts, when, you know, starts talking. He was really sharing about, you know, being with other women and all of that. And maybe sharing a little too much. But I appreciate the honesty there. But then you see that Shane is not yet ready to commit to that, you know, to Ilya there.

and then you can see once he starts dating just to, I feel like it's more of an experimental thing because you got the pressure of like everything that comes with, and I keep using the word probably sounds tedious at this point of being a professional athlete, but then you see the pressures that come with that and also his parents talking about being with the, at least like grooming him to stand next to a Dutch princess

or whatever they were talking about. So I can understand Shane's, having the mindset of let me just see what this is like I think too for him when he met Rose in the beginning it was just I just want to talk to her and just see what happens

and then there was a genuine connection it was just human to human type of thing and then it's like okay well Ilya was telling me about how he likes girls let me just see what this is kind of like and then go from there but I love how at the end there is that hint of

by the way we're going to get into questions really here I do like that there is the hint of that they're thinking of each other in that moment right there. So, you know, it's the foreshadowing that hopefully they're going to get back together, of course, is what I would like. I wouldn't want them to get back together.

Oh, you mean because it's such a toxic relationship? Yeah, I feel like, I feel like Shade deserves better at the deal with. Yeah, maybe that's unpopular, but I feel like he has to deal with his own shit and their heel before they can Yeah, for sure, but maybe, I mean, look, being a human is all about growth and evolution,

so I think maybe, hopefully I'll get to a place where he does do that, and then they can't together so yeah i hope i hope uh hunter and kiff can get together yes yes yes that relationship that was my favorite episode of the show yeah that i want to see for sure too so uh anyways guys uh if you are a royal reject you can ask us questions we will shout you out individually as we're about to do so we're going to start that right now all right art uh we have a question from art thank you so much for being a royal reject and for asking a question we appreciate you so much what do you think of the acting, especially knowing

that Ilya actor is Texan and learned Russian in two weeks and Shane is diagnosed autistic in the series, but the actor is not and is really different from him in real life. Huh, interesting. First of all, what do you think about Ilya being Texan?

I did not know that, and Shane is also diagnosed autistic. Did you know either of those things? I did not. No, I was not aware of that. I wonder Shane, I don't know if that's a line that we missed or if that's something that's revealed in episodes five and six, or it's just in the book.

This is based on a novel. Oh, okay. Didn't know that. But yeah, no, I think they did a great job. I think the actor who plays I really, I would have never known that he was not Russian. Never. And he's from Texas, no less. And that Shane is

autistic. But, yeah, I did not pick up on that. But I think that's interesting to know in cool context, knowing what happens or what's going to be going on from here on out or going forward. But as far as

your initial question, I think the acting is incredible in the show. I think it does a really great job of showcasing not only the chemistry but the interior world of both of our characters or all four of our characters are leads. Yeah, I think that the one scene where

Shane is on the couch and he has tears in his eyes and he's trying to smirk has a smirk. He wants to celebrate for Ilya but he can't not in the way that he wants to but you can still see a glimmer of that coming through I think that speaks to just the nature of the medium that we're in in film slash television versus something like acting on stage because you have to be loud and expressive with your feelings but I love the intimacy of the small idiosyncrasies and micro expressions of what a camera can capture and I think they did a great job of showcasing that that's it too well I was just going to see say that's what I love to get into the psyche of guys who are so competitive but also are being intimate with each other like seeing that they're happy for each other but it's like also competitive I love seeing that that contrast I think the acting is so fantastic and that's also what I loved about I mean I think Ilya and Shane I don't know the actor's names yet sorry but it's not a big

deal because I still haven't learned all the actors names yet in Stranger Things I've been watching that show for a long time but I will say I do appreciate I think they have been incredible chemistry and I love the contrast between them, whether it's their mannerisms and just how totally different they are. And I think sometimes, even though I know the relationship is very toxic at this point, but I do think a lot of times two opposites do attract. But also too, like we got literally thrust into a whole different relationship in episode three, as we mentioned already a few times. And I was like instantly because we felt that chemistry immediately. And it was just incredible acting. Like right away, the actor who played Kip, I just, I mean,

immediately felt his compassion and his sincerity. And I was just, oh, my God, I'm so invested in this character in the first, like, two or three minutes. So I like that actor a lot. I'm not sure if I've seen him in anything, but I really like him a great deal. And I'm really hoping we get to go back, cut back to that relationship as well. I hope that's not just a one-off for this season at least, but we'll see. But I had no idea.

Ilya was Texan. I legit thought he was from Russia, at least from his accent. So I really love when actors can really embody the characters that they're supposed to be. Just a quick example of that, someone like Heath Ledger, whenever I watch The Dark Night, I don't see Heath Ledger anymore. I see The Joker. Whenever I watch The Batman, I don't see Colin Farrell. I see Oz.

I see The Penguin. So I'm going to give the actor who plays Ilya, since you're saying he's Texan, I don't hear a Texan in any way. I see a total Russian actor. So I appreciate when actors really embody the roles that they are in and they literally disappear into that. If you did not tell us this and I had not looked it up, I would never have known he was from Texas.

So that's incredible to hear that. And I did not know either. Maybe I missed it as well that he was autistic. So maybe that's something as well that we're going to get into in episodes five or six. that's just something that, again, that's just something observant that I wasn't noticing, but it's an interesting fact as well when it comes to Shane. But like I said, I appreciate both those characters, and I love them so much.

So I'm curious to see what we're going to go with these characters in the next two and just if their relationship gets out and I'm fascinated to see. But thank you so much, Hart, for the question. We appreciate you. All right, Mathiel, thank you for sending out a question. I appreciate you. Andrew and Aaron. Love to see you go. You were reacting to this surprising gem. I particularly loved the parallels and contrast between the

two main relationships in episode three and four. It is down to the smallest details of how Scott and Ilya both extend a hand to call their men back, but with heartbreaking different results. What do you think that the narrative choice to shift between the two stories? I think it was incredibly bold. If I would have been a writer in that room, I would have said, I don't know if this is in this way, right now I'm not a writer, but I don't know if I would

have made that choice, and I'm glad I wasn't there to say that because I think it was the right thing, and I think to see that contrast is so fascinating to see but also, too, we get to see the different styles of why one relationship is so volatile and why one, and toxic, as

Aaron said, and why one is not. But also, too, you get to see the one that's not the toxic relationship, what's causing it to break apart is like him being outed and and that what's ruining the relationship so and then you feel so bad and what I appreciate so much about Kip too he's been so understanding I think they said they've been dating right a few months at this point and he's been very understanding and very loving and sincere towards Hunter the entire time and I think the the same thing for what I noticed in in the two relationships is like Shane when Kip and Shane keep everything contained

and within them it just really causes a lot of panic and just dismay within them and it's just so hard to keep something like that like when you love someone so much and you have to really just keep it contained within you it's very difficult and I understand that because you're

it's the person you hold most dear to you and you have to keep that just private it. So I understand how hard it is and I appreciate that they shed a light on that in sharing not only, they were contrasting the relationships but they were also comparing the, they were

shedding a light on the similarities as well. So I like seeing that as well and then also just as I mentioned seeing the contrast between the volatile parts of their relationship. Like you saw the communication, the honesty but then they actually went back to that in the fourth

one where finally Ilya was letting the walls down a little bit and was being more honest and communicating with him. And I also appreciated like little details, for instance, with Shane. I'm trying to remember the character's name. I appreciate the little details like as well

with Shane where he's like trying to learn little things like Russian and then things with Kip, like where he's making him food and doing stuff like that. Like that's love language to me. So I appreciate that they were going into stuff like that. But I think it was just very bold, very wise and it really

could have went off the rails very easy. because throughout episode three, if you were not invested in that relationship, you could have like even halfway in or a quarter of the way in where I want Ilya and chain bag. Like, let's, why are we here? So the fact that they made it work is incredible. I'm glad they did it. What about you?

Yeah, no. I thought it was really interesting seeing the contrast between the two relationships because I think the thing that sells us immediately is watching those two in the coffee shop the moment they interact, how apparent it is that these two are, you know, attracted to each other, how they're flirting without like saying it overtly and just the buildup to them finally consummating. And I really liked the difference in which how they showed their sex scenes versus Ilya and Schen and Hollander sex scenes. Yeah.

Because I felt like with those two, it was very much, you know, it was passionate, but it was very much like they're just, they're screwing, you know, and they're not, they're, this, this side thing, there's this release that they're trying to get out in secret and nobody can know about it. It's just like straight to business, you know, and then immediately leaving open it gets to that point where, you know, they're not even like doing the bare minimum bear essential. of that kind of connection with like with Ilya not even kissing Shane and him just kind of going to him because he feels

like he wants this thing with this guy but this guy's using him as a form of escape when he feels all this pressure around him and doesn't feel like he can be himself anywhere else so he just is kind of taking what he can get

whereas the other relationship there is a lot of love there and the way that they showcase their scenes, it does, I said it right before it switched. I was like, I appreciate how the sex scenes were more central, but then it kind of quickly became a lot more sexual, where the other ones were more central, even though they were sexual too, but I feel like there was more love there when they would kind of have their scenes. So I like how that was showcased and that difference, but also the fact that even after their first time hooking up, he's like, no, I want you to stay. And I feel like because we saw

for two episodes what Ilya and Hollander's relationship was, for him to ask him to stay, you expect it to be a similar thing. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to leave now. It was like, no, I want you in my life, I want you around. And I really loved that. I really like that, you know, it was almost the quintessential, like, neat, cute situation of like, okay, these two leave the coffee shop and then they get together and then they fall in love but there's this obvious hurdle that they have to get

through of Hunter not being fully comfortable and even terrified of the fact that he could be exposed to the world. He couldn't even go to an art gallery without having an internal freak out about somebody knowing who he is even though

if you just go into an art gallery with another dude doesn't inherently mean to the world that they're going to think that you're But because it's such a visceral thing for him, he couldn't do it. He couldn't handle it. And it's so sad that this fear of the fallout prevents him from fully embracing the happiness he knows that he can have with this. Yeah. And it's really unfortunate.

I agree with him. I'm wondering, too, what's going to happen like because a lot of these star athletes are, they have advertisers and they have sponsorship. So I wonder what's going to happen if you're if you come out in that regard. I would hope nothing would happen because it's not that big. Yeah. And I would hope so. Again, this is like what we're, somewhere between 2016, 2017, no, or whatever it is. But I will say this before we move on to that because we do have a few more questions to go here.

But I will say I did appreciate too that Hunter was very honest and direct with him saying like, I know we just met each other. but I feel the vibe and the energy and I really adore you and like you and I do want you in my life having said all that I do have to keep it very private so he did inform him right away what the situation is

so he was being honest and direct and I did appreciate that but it wasn't fortunate that we had to get to a point that we're in society where we have to be like that yeah but I think to not contest your point but I feel like that's when they first started

hooking up and obviously they got to a moment they loved each other right wanted a life with each other you talked about like we only have to do this for a few more years yeah yeah until he gets to retirement for the long haul yeah but that's that's tough thing to ask someone to do for years lie to their family yeah no no no of course of course like to keep that like that would make someone really sick for sure and yeah and just even though both of them have this private relationship that's going on there is definitely more intention and more harmonious love

and intention with the relationship we saw in episode three versus the relationship we've seen in episodes one, two, and four. Yeah, we're going to get into that in one second, looks like, on the next question. So thank you so much for the question. We appreciate you.

All right, from Maria Stoycheva, sorry, apologies if I accidentally mispronounced it. Thank you so much for being a royal reject asking a question. We appreciate you. For episode three, why do you think this story is included in the series and why exactly at this time where do you expect it to go what are the differences to the Shane ilia storyline that were maybe not too obvious but spoke to you hmm not too obvious but spoke to me that's an interesting question um why i think they included it

was to showcase what it's like to be somebody who is in a more masculine field who is traditionally masculine and hetero field to be someone in a homosexual relationship and I felt like the way that they compared and contrast were brought upon in very different ways one was we're getting straight to business dirty little secret we have this rivalry and we use it as a game to both mess with each other but also motivate each other so there's like a competitive nature in a addition to this primal sexual thing that they have going on, where the other one is more about their hearts and more about their intent. And they are able to accept and embrace these feelings

for one another. Whereas these two don't know how to do that because of the amount of pressure from their internal, external lives coupled with their own family pressures as well and their own histories and whatnot. So that's definitely something that plays into the other relationships. And I think the reason they chose to do it now is because we saw their relationship building between Shane and Ilya over the course of those two episodes to the point where we got to we're just having so much time pass where Ili is just distancing himself and just using Shane whenever they were in town even though that's clearly not what Shane wants he wants to have a more consistent or more intentional thing with him at least that's what I felt

the story was implying, whereas Ilya is kind of just using him to, as a form of escapism. And I felt like showcasing their, them hooking up without even kissing to then showing the other two guys, then consummating and then spending the night is to show the contrast of what, what an intimate relationship can look like within, uh, hockey players, but in two different ways of going about it. And just to showcase the spectrum of what intimacy can be between sets of people. And the other question, what do I expect

it to go? I hope, I really do hope that Hunter and Shane can maybe find out about each other and then be friends. Part of me did expect that,

because it kind of implied that Kippen Kipp and Hunter broke up, right? It seemed like that's outside of the bar. It seemed like that's what happened. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because they can't be they can't be public about it with anyone, it seems, other than the ones

other than the friend Maria, I think, that have figured it out that unfortunately they have to break up, it seems like. Yeah, so part of me thought that Kipp and Shane were going to find each other and then that was going to be a thing, but I guess that we didn't go that route. But I think I would hope, Fingers crossed, so we do revisit

the KIP and Hunter relationship, because I really like their storyline. I do too. And there's another part of the question. What were the differences to the Shane and Ilius storyline that were maybe not too obvious but spoke to you?

I don't know if there was any of the thing that wasn't too obvious, but I think just like the anxious avoidant trap and cycle of what people find themselves into. I feel like that's something that's universal. whether you're gay, straight, parent, or whatever. And I think it was interesting seeing that relationship play out, but also especially with an Ilya who started off as somebody

who was from a traditional heterosexual masculine perspective as engaging in something that people perceive as not masculine while also holding these masculine traits in regards to his own feelings. Yeah. Why do you think the story was included in this series? I think, you know, we've mentioned a few times just about seeing the contrast, and also, too, we

see two competitive guys who have a relationship with each other, but they also spend so much time away from each other, and now two guys who are in the same city, one's a civilian and one's a sports athlete. So it's, I

like seeing the contrast and seeing that type of relationship with someone versus, like, two guys who never really get to see each other. They have to interact a lot more via text, and then there's a very divide in terms of how much they get to see each other. So it was nice to actually get a wholesome relationship where they get to spend a lot more time together. So that endeared me right away that they get to spend so much more time together. So I liked seeing that. And where do you expect it to go? I'm hoping

they get to reconcile, but also too, I can't remember. I know we literally just watched it. I think they were mentioning too was it was it hunter too i i know they mentioned that they were in a room like hunters right next door don't make any noise so kind of were already foreshadowing that uh he pot not foreshadowing but that there was a possibility not that he could be gay but that they had more intention of doing something big with hunter's character so i appreciate that they already uh did that but i don't know where i expected to go i'm hoping that we get a uh a vindication or reconciliation uh with those two characters when it comes to Kip and Hunter, because I'm so, even after one

episode, I'm so invested in those two characters. My only concern is I just don't know if Hunter, you can't force someone into doing something, and I'm not sure yet if Hunter is ready to have that relationship be public. And also on top of, they've been

hinting as well that Kip is possibly going to, what was he was applying to Boston or something for? What was he applying for? I think you're on right track. Yeah, college. Okay, was it college?

Okay, I just can't remember what he was applying for. But, yeah, there's a possibility. Having said that, I've seen a lot of romantic films in the past and TV shows where if he does get the application that Hunter could say, like, I don't care who knows about us, don't go to Boston, come here, stay with me. Could see that too. So if he's ready to take that step, like, I think that'd be beautiful and incredible and he's not worried about advertiser or what anyone thinks.

I think that'd be amazing too. And then what was the other part of the question? What are the differences to the Shane Ilya storyline? I mean, I'm not going to go into what's not so obvious. Just the most obvious thing to me is it's not as competitive between the two relationships because you got the number one draft pick and the number two draft pick.

So Aaron and I always mentioned it while we're watching these episodes, everything is so competitive between these two sportsmen. So whether that's in bed, whether that's through a text message, whether that's on the ice. So just seeing just a regular relationship between two guys, not saying that these two don't have a regular relationship to when it comes to Shane and Nile, albeit it's a little more toxic. But seeing between Kip and Hunter, a relationship between two guys who are not both sports athletes.

Only one is I appreciated seeing that the substance there and seeing something a little bit different. And just like one is very supportive of the line of work he does. and the other one is very supportive of him and his arts and all that stuff. So I like seeing those types of differences. It was nice to get a little bit of a break between Shane and Ilya and to see the, seeing how, seeing the contrast there

in that way. So I would say that was the biggest difference, just competitive-wise and toxic-wise. But like I said, in terms of expected to go, I would like, if anything, I want them to get back together, but not in a forced way for Hunter, because when it comes to whatever it is in whatever wake in life, I want someone to feel comfortable in their own skin, whatever it is that they do. So we shall see what happens, though.

We shall see. All right. All right. Christian Seabold, I hope I'm saying your name, right? Sorry if I didn't. Heated rivalry centers a myriad forms of sustained queer intimacy as part of a part of of ordinary life adult life more explicitly rather than something fleeting, tragic, or treated as a side story. So what do you think this type of portrayal gives audiences that previous portrayals could not?

He did a rivalry centers, myriad forms of sustained queer intimacy as part of ordinary adult life more explicitly rather than something fleeting, tragic, or treated as a side story. So what do you think this type? Why don't you take this one first? I don't know, respond. All right.

I think this does something different in the sense that it is, first and foremost, it is the leading story. It is about, you know, these two sets of guys that are experiencing love or intimacy in a way that is not typically given the spotlight in other forms of media. If it is, it is showcased as. as a side story. I think the thing that was maybe surprising for me going in is the amount of sex that was on display. I expected it to be a show. I think the only thing I really knew about is like

about some gay guys and hockey. And that's it. But I didn't know the inner workings or the fact that there would be sex involved in the show. And I think it was interesting seeing how it was playing out. and how I'm trying to

how to answer the question I feel like it was interesting seeing how intimacy plays out because it's not something you typically see or is given spotlight in typical American movies or television

so for it to be more explicit more graphic I think it normalizes it and shows for traditional audiences that listen And people of different sexual orientations are allowed to showcase love and showcase how they give expressions of love. And I think that it, in ways, it's not too different.

It is, but it's not. So I think that the way that they were able to showcase it, allowed it to have a light in a way that makes it like, oh, okay, cool. And I like that it was a part of the story, and especially in episode three, how it showed as a contrast to how they use intimacy to connect or how to use intimacy as a form of game playing. Yeah. So, yeah, I like that it was front and center, and it wasn't made to be something that was pandering, but rather something that was more authentic and more genuine. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of, I mean, we watched what was it called Simon, Love Simon, right? And we watched, what was the other one I watched? It was with Army Hammer and Timothy Shallow. Call me by your name. Call me by your name. Those were really great films. But this is the first, like Aaron, the only thing I knew about this was hockey and two guys that were going to be in love with each other. But I think, as I've mentioned a few times, the thing that was different for me was just,

seeing the competitive edge and seeing, like, that from that form of it. So that was definitely something different. But I do like how they portray it. Not saying that these films didn't. So I don't think it did anything from that point different, but I do like how they treat it as completely normal. Again, I'm not saying that those two films did not. But I do, I think the episode that really broke my heart,

All the episodes honestly have made me come from a place of feeling tragic just from the that they have to worry about what other people think and I don't think any relationship should ever have to worry about that especially episode three like that really like between Hunter

and between Kip like that relationship is so wholesome so to see those two characters not be able to continue that relationship because Hunter is so worried about what others are going to perceive of him as well as possible advertisers and you know when it comes to his t his sports franchises whatever like that is something different i have not seen because the only other two

films like that are just like i said top of mind or love simon and call me by your name so it's definitely different in that sense but yeah it's it's fascinating to see on a professional sports scale like this to see it in that way but i do like how they they treat these characters with the utmost respect and they're treating it as normal relationships but they still have a lot of shit that they have to worry about from the real world and they still

it's a lot to deal with and you still I just it's really tragic in that way but when they're in their most private and intimate moments I'm so like I'm really so infested in these characters that if things don't work out that it just breaks my heart so I

I'm just anxious to see like what the resolve is going to be though in these final two episodes. I've not read the book yet so I don't know if there's more in terms of there's going to be more seasons but like I said in terms of what it does different from the other two

I would say that's the biggest thing is just like the setting and the competitive spirit. That's the biggest thing that is contrasting for me. But yeah. Thank you so much for the question. We appreciate it. All right. CR. There are four references to Gingerelle in episode four, makes sense, episode four.

We see Shane request ginger ale at the restaurant with his parents, then later again at the bar where roses. The restaurant says they don't serve Gingerell, and the bartender shames him into getting a beer instead. His teammate Hayden also says he and his wife always have Gingerill stocked at their house when he wants to come over again. During his stay at Ilya's house, Ilya pulls out a ginger ale for him without being asked. I do remember that.

and then asks if that gingerelle is cold enough for him. What do you think this insight focus into Shane's favorite drink is meant to represent narratively? Oh, crap. Isn't Gingerelle a Canadian drink, too? Or am I wrong? Because my dad was obsessed with Gingerill. I remember growing up, he always wanted Gingerelle.

I think it is a Canadian drink. I'm not mistaken, but I don't know what they... I don't remember I'm having Gingerill too much at the house. Well, I know growing up, he did. Oh, my God. So much gingerly. I believe. I also love ginger ale.

Yeah, let me just see just really quick. Where does ginger ale come from? Ireland. Oh, it's from Ireland. Never mind. My dad loved in Ireland, an Irish drink. That's funny. There's Canada dry.

Oh, Canada dry, probably. That's what it was. That's a good observation. I did not notice that on our. uh on our watch and i'm kind of sad that i did maybe on our rewatch i'll pick up more on the stuff with the ginger ale um but yeah i do think that at least on that last scene we asked it was cold enough for him that it's a showcase of ilia paying attention yeah that's a good point uh to shane's likes and you know him asking him to stay the night and him making him the sandwich and him finally opening up

to him in some regard, and even down to them being on the couch together and calling each other their first names, and it felt like it was, there was just so much history there between them, but I feel like both of them in a way were scared in that moment, because I don't want to put myself out there again just to be tossed aside, even though he is showing these signs of maybe he is, you know, more open to me and more willing to accept and embrace me. but yeah that's one I'm going to have to sit with CR

I'll let that one cook a little bit I think you're on the right path that's how I felt as well when he was getting himself I mean to me that's my love language when you're able to communicate without saying anything is to get your significant other stuff

that they love without saying anything like Ginger Ralph that's what they like tuna melt and we saw that in episode three when it came to Kip making it I think he made feta chicken without the feta and he was making him the blueberry with the banana and the smoothie and stuff like that. So I think that is a big thing because I, oh, sorry, I think that I, I think

that Ilya is really taking a step forward and growing and evolving in terms of the relationship. He was, as Aaron just pointed out, calling him by his first name. So I think that he's really taking the next step. But then, as you also just pointed out, that Shane doesn't want to feel tossed aside like he did. for six months he didn't hear from him, and then he told him to just leave, and they didn't even kiss that one night when they, I think at the end of episode two, if I'm not mistaken.

So, yeah, I can understand the apprehension for Shane when it comes to the relationship and why he would feel very scared to really fully dive into it when Ilya says he's ready to. I totally understand where Shane's coming from, but I'm with Aaron on that, that feels like that.

That's what it spoke to narratively. I'd have to rewatch it as well just to see all the gingerill stuff come in here. But that's, at least to me, when it comes to like significant others, is paying attention, being observant, is listening that way. And that's what you do for your significant other. You do things for them in that way. That's a love language being thoughtful in that way. So thank you so much for the question.

We appreciate you. See on. I'm rereading. Hold on. Maybe it's also an allegory for lover and acceptance as well, kind of getting these details. then because he requests at the restaurant and he's shamed into getting

beer. Do you remember him getting shamed into getting beer? It's okay. I'm going to let it cook a little longer and then maybe we're dressed in an episode of 4 and 5. Okay. Okay, Kiki Vares. What's up, Kiki? In this show, the two main characters are played

by two fairly new actors. My question is, so far, what do you think of their acting? and what has stood out to you. Also, what do you think of the overall camera work and direction of the show? P.S. so happy you guys are reacting to this. Excited to hear your thoughts. Thank you so much, Kiki. Thank you.

Well, I think they have incredible chemistry. Their interactions are whether it's coming from a toxic place or coming from a wholesome place. I love it all. It makes for good trauma or it makes for good love. And I appreciate it. What is the thing that stands out to me? their abs, their shoulders, their backs.

I want to be in shape like them. Yeah. I just, I appreciate where they come from, their backstory, whether it's their family. I really did, I have noticed too, like when it comes to, we've already talked about this, but when it comes to like Ilya's father and his brother, just the nurturement that he had growing up,

Ilya, and why he's so hard and why he's got a facade, why it's so hard to break down the walls. And when it comes to Shane's character too, like he's got very loving parents but they can also be controlling two in a way so you know it's understandable too why he's got some walls too that need to be broken down and why

he's very apprehensive to let people in as well so that stood out to me but they are incredible actors I would never if you didn't tell us write us this know that they are not fairly new actors and to be the lead on a big hit series like this like they're incredible they feel

so seasoned these two so they've done a terrific job when it comes to the overall camera work and direction. There's definitely, direction-wise, fantastic. They know how to allow the actors to express themselves and know when to pan in when it comes to certain camera. There's also other camera shots, too. Some of my favorite ones are when you see like the wide shots. There was one, I can't remember which episode you could see like, I was like, oh, great shot of the wide. You could see three characters at once, one on the left one, the center one in the right. I don't remember which episode that is, if you guys want to remind me,

go for it. And then there was another one where I think it was Ilya coming home. We stayed on. It was a tracking shot where he was coming in home and we were going from right to left. So there's definitely a lot of good tracking shots that I've noticed and

yeah, the camera work is fantastic and also too a lot of close-ups when we really need to feel visceral and just feel the expressiveness on the characters. So I really liked it. And I've also liked a lot of the music choices that they've on with it as well. I think music can be a very powerful tool when it comes to film and TV.

The whole point of music, for me at least, is to express how the characters are feeling, as well as how we the audience should be feeling, whether it's score music or music when it comes to lyrics. And I think so far they've picked some really good choices. I've noticed some synthesizer music, and I've also noticed some techno type of beats, and also some really good songs with lyrics that have been some really emotional and good choices. So what about you? yeah no I feel the same I feel like these actors are all doing an incredible job especially well I think all four of our main love interest people are doing great I think the chemistry between them and the way that they are able to capture these very specific types of relationship dynamics of like being attractive to each other but also having these rivalry messing with each other playing mind games but also feeling the sense of I'm thinking entitlement's the right word but

getting jealous and showcasing that in ways that are more subtle without having the actors portray that in a way that's big like on the stage also the camera work is great too that shot showing on the outside like what we were saying and the one that's sticking to my brain when you say this is going back to the banana socks and the whole banana thing in episode three and then him wearing them taking

the picture and sending it to Kip but then at the very end of the episode he covers them up kind of as an allegory for him hiding his homosexuality yeah so I found it was sad he's wearing them

but he's wearing it on the inside he can't let the world see that can't wear it on the outside yeah that's a good point man but yeah I think both the acting also the scene where where Shane is trying to you know he wants to express his happiness but doesn't want to be too

loud with his expression in the joy in a celebration of Aaliyah. All those things were great. I agree with everything. We were talking about it when we were reacting to it. It was fascinating with Miles was like really hovering right behind Shane and Rose

and Rose was like right there too. I was like, is she cool with this? Like it does not bother me but I was like is she cool with this? Does she know? Yeah, I didn't understand that. He was right on top of him. So I was kidding. But maybe she was so drunk and I'm not sure. Yeah, but I, yeah.

Anyways, thank you so much for the question. We appreciate it. Looks like we got another question from Maria. Thank you so much. We appreciate you. And this is our final one. How are you? You doing well after this on a more serious note?

What is your understanding of the character's inner worlds in this episode? What would you say are they driving emotions here? What were they trying to achieve? I'm doing good I'm doing well I'm a little hungry but other than that I'm really enjoying the show I think it is very

unique for a large mainstream show to be able to have queer representation I think it's been awesome and maybe showcasing it to an audience and maybe wasn't no privy to a show of this scale prior to this. But yeah, so my own personal experiences,

I think it's been very, very good. You know, it's allowed me to, obviously we feel for a living, but to be just so invested so quickly in such a short amount of time, I'm very happy that the writing is very strong in the show. I'm very grateful that the acting is very strong in the show as well.

And what was the other thing that you asked? What does this give me about the characters, inner worlds. I don't know. I think of a few different things. I feel like Ilya feels us a lot of internal, external pressure from his dad and his brother. And because of that pressure, he doesn't want to let anyone in. He doesn't want to let people down. So he has to just kind of lock in and only can let, uh, chain in so far because maybe that's one less person he can let down or let one less person he can have hurt him so he just has him at arm's length enough emotionally but allows him in only enough physically and to you know so have access there so maybe there's some other notes that

I'm not getting at this time but that's kind of what I'm picking up on and he seems like he is starting to open up and wanting to have more of an intimate relationship with him more emotionally even though maybe he doesn't know how to do that wholly and they're finally calling each other's first names while they're in bed with one another

they're not saying like F you as much but I love when they say FU I know it's cute when they do it yeah yeah it's like they're them trying to maintain their masculinity wall

so being in the space there's subtext there yeah there's for sure subtext I feel like Shane really he also feels this pressure from the outside world. I feel like he feels fear as well about being himself because of maybe the repercussions that come with that. But also he's just new to it at the beginning

and he doesn't have a ton of experience. In Ilius' only experiences into having a sense of intimacy, is the only form of intimacy as far as the show relays that he knows that he can be this softer side of himself and it's interesting the contrast of him being this captain

and this leader but within their relationship he is the softer one he's the one that is more submissive to Ilya he's the one that cuddles him and he's the one who wants him to be like kissing and stuff when he feels like

he's being used and he's going back to him even after not talking for six months so it sucks how he wants he on the on the outside world he is someone that is achieved status and power and wealth but is softer and less dominant in his interior world in his um his private life so i thought that was the interesting contrast between those two characters um as for hunter i feel yeah, he has this trauma, but he also has a good heart, but he has just so much fear about

embracing the heart and the love that he has. And then for Kip, I feel like he wants to live out loud, fully, and holy and is kind of in this position where he can't be honest. It's almost like he has to return to the closet.

I don't know if he was ever in the closet, but he has to return to the closet because the man he loves isn't ready to be out with him in the light, which is another form of pain because it makes him feel like a mistress, even though there isn't an other woman or another man, but it creates the sense of, oh, he, like, we're going to,

it's going to happen eventually, like, how when girls were the mistress, like, oh, he's just, like, he's going to leave his wife, like, and it's going to be okay, we're going to have a great life. He loves me. It's kind of like that situation, except not as, I don't think it's manipulative. I think it's just genuinely based off the fear. Yeah.

But there's real love between them, I feel. Yeah, no, I agree with you. How are you? I'm doing well, I'm just really hot in here. Yeah, it's a lot more. Doing well, I'm just really enjoying the show. I wish we could do the final two episodes right now, but we'll do them soon.

Don't worry on a more serious note. What is your understanding of the character's inner worlds? I would say I'm going to definitely recycle a few things that Aaron pointed out, but definitely fear is a main theme that I was getting, and I understand why. like we've talked about this before they are in a place where if

you are if you come out there is a possibility of repercussion whether it comes from sponsorships whether it comes from your team we don't know with the the possibility of what could happen I personally don't think anything

should happen because it's not a big deal but we don't and I understand why they are afraid to do these things and I would say also too pressure when it comes to with Shane when it comes when it comes to with Ilya when it comes to with Hunter

and I'll start off with Ilya pressure not only from that his father has instilled in him just from probably as a little kid and then also his brother but also pressure like to make sure like because his dad's also ill with dementia he's got to make sure that he takes care

of him so the money's got to come in so he's got to do good as a pressure as a professional athlete is just hard in general but then when you got the pressure on your family, like, you know, mooching off you to do well, and then also you've got to take care of your sick father. Like, that's pressure in itself. Also, he's the captain of his team, right?

I think all three of them are the captains on their team, right? Hunter, Ilya, and Shane. So there's also that pressure. You've got to lead by example, right? You've got to be the masculine one and then the one in charge. So there's all different types of pressure. And then, you know, he's, when it comes to two. Shane. I think there's also

again, there's that another, there's more of that fear as well of just wanting to be true to yourself and then worrying about what others are going to perceive of you when it comes to letting yourself out. And so that's

what I would say when it comes to, and obviously we saw that as well with Hunter in episode three. And when it comes to Kip, just going off what you were saying, like yeah, I think we did hear that line too. I think it was I think your dad thinks you're hooking up with like a married man or something

and it almost does feel like that for him because he has to not, you can't even tell his father and I think his father's a diehard hockey fan too so and it has nothing even do with that. I mean he would just, he just wants to tell the world like how much, how much how in love he is and

and I get it. I understand that and we also have to understand too that you know he doesn't have as much to lose, which sucks, too, in terms of for the other three, that if it was, if it came out that he was in love with Hunter, there's not going to be repercussions for him as an individual because, you know, he works at a smoothie bar and nothing's going to happen. So it's just, that's the world we live in and that's, it's sometimes I don't get these types of things and I don't

understand, but that's what I would say in terms of the driving emotions and what are they trying to achieve. I think what I and most others are trying to treat, being true to yourself and being happy, finding love. And yeah, that's what I would say. I know that's the simplistic answer, not going like too deep, but I mean, that's what it seems like what I'm watching, what they are trying to do and to grow and evolve. And yeah, that's what I would say. but do you have any final thoughts before we get us get out all out of here? No, I'm enjoying the show. I think it's been really engaging, really well shot, really well acted,

and I look forward to seeing the final two episodes of season one. Ditto. All right, well, guys, let us know in the comments section. What did you think of episodes three and four? And, yeah, we'd love to hear your thoughts. We will be back for episodes five and six. I believe those are the final two episodes of season one of heated rivalry. So if you stuck with us this long, we appreciate and love you so much.

Take care, and we'll see you next time.