The Reel Rejects - Extended Version: PAN'S LABYRINTH (2006) IS AN ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE!! MOVIE REACTION!! Guillermo del Toro

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

IN HONOR OF FRANKENSTEIN!! Pan's Labyrinth Full Movie Reaction Watch Along: ⁠  / thereelrejects  ⁠ Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! ⁠https://www.rejectnationshop.com/⁠ With GDT's Frankenstein Netflix later this week, Tara & John are REANIMATED in order to present their Pan's Labyrinth Reaction, Recap, Commentary, Analysis, Ending Explained & Spoiler Review! Tara Erickson & John Humphrey react to Pan’s Labyrinth (2006), the visionary dark fantasy war drama from Guillermo del Toro (The Shape of Water, Hellboy, Crimson Peak). Blending history, mythology, and horror, this Oscar-winning masterpiece transports viewers into a world where innocence and brutality collide — a fairy tale not for children, but for the haunted souls of adults. Set in 1944 post–Civil War Spain, the story follows Ofelia (played by Ivana Baquero – The New Daughter, Black Friday), a young girl who discovers a mysterious labyrinth near her new home. There, she meets an ancient Faun (portrayed by Doug Jones – The Shape of Water, Hocus Pocus) who tasks her with completing three dangerous trials to prove she is the reincarnated princess of a magical underworld. Meanwhile, Ofelia’s real world is ruled by her cruel stepfather, Captain Vidal (Sergi López – Dirty Pretty Things, With a Friend Like Harry), whose merciless campaign against local rebels mirrors the horrors of fascism. Maribel Verdú (Y Tu Mamá También, Belle Époque) plays Mercedes, a kind housekeeper secretly aiding the resistance, while Ariadna Gil (Belle Époque, Alatriste) portrays Carmen, Ofelia’s fragile and ill mother. Iconic and highly searched moments include the terrifying Pale Man sequence, the chalk door escape, the toad in the tree, and Ofelia’s heartbreaking final choice. With breathtaking cinematography by Guillermo Navarro and a haunting score by Javier Navarrete, Pan’s Labyrinth remains a towering achievement in storytelling — a fusion of fantasy and historical realism that explores innocence, sacrifice, and the power of imagination in the face of tyranny. Winner of three Academy Awards, Pan’s Labyrinth stands as one of the greatest modern films of the 21st century — a dark, beautiful masterpiece that continues to mesmerize audiences around the world. Follow Tara Erickson: Youtube:⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@TaraErickson⁠ Instagram: ⁠ https://www.instagram.com/taraerickson/⁠ Twitter: ⁠ https://twitter.com/thetaraerickson⁠ Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/...⁠ Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! ⁠https://www.rejectnationshop.com/⁠ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/⁠  Tik-Tok: ⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en⁠ Twitter: ⁠https://x.com/reelrejects⁠ Facebook: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/⁠ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/⁠ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. ⁠https://creativecommons.org/licenses/...⁠ POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit⁠ https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo⁠ and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor:⁠ https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en⁠ Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license.⁠ https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/⁠ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO:⁠ https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects⁠ Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  ⁠https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/⁠ INSTAGRAM: ⁠ https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/⁠ TWITTER:  ⁠https://twitter.com/thereelrejects⁠ Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  ⁠https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/⁠ TWITTER:  ⁠https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

mythical beast people of the reject nation very exciting day it's a momentous occasion you might say we are here it's terra it's john it's time for a Guillermo del Toro classic pans labyrinth never seen it play that applause there you go and I was renting it it's says it's an Oscar winner. It is. This is widely, I think, regarded as like Guillermo del Toro, beloved filmmaker, but, like, his masterpiece. Really? Certainly.

Holy junk, didn't know. So, I'm really, I've seen, like, images and things from this over the years, but I'm very, very, very excited to fill in this gap in the catalog. Just in time, I believe, for the release, it's theaters for a minute, and then on Netflix of Guillermo del Toro's

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Okay, yeah. Wow, okay. Wow, okay. I'll do that some of that. I would hate to live a princess that with the world of the humans, I would do that some of that.

I would hate to live underground forever. Me too. Like, you might want to risk the crappy. Burlando, all vigilance, the princess escaped and borough of her memory to any indication of the past

Oh, it's like the little mermaid, but different. The princess, Oh, poor thing, damn. Oh, wow, okay. Oh, wow, okay. Oh, wow, okay. Of course, re-incaughts

... ...certained that the life of the princess ... ... Oh, wow, okay. ... ... ...

... ...of course, re-incarnated ... ... ... ... ...you're very major... ... ...you're very major... ...for you're ...

...she's sick. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah, she's pregnant, though. Garumo loves his fairy tales. Why is she walking away like that? Brother is acting up. Okay, thank God. I thought it was the mom collapsing.

This is one of those movies where I have, like, actually not a great idea of what to expect, except for a few vivid images. Oh, really? I don't even think I've seen any images. I know nothing about it. Oh, that rock looks like it fits right in that eye. Yeah. Yeah.

Cool. At last, my eye is complete. Ooh! That got me. Jeeps. Ooh. Whoa! Oh!

When we get him to the molyno, I want to say to the captain, and I want to call me father. Oh. So it's maybe not her actual father. Yeah, who's your real, pappy? The king? This whole thing with the bug is fun. What's the rule again about which insects are bugs and which bugs are insects?

No idea. Entomologists comment below. Yeah, tell us. Oh boy, keeping track. Well, you know what? She's pregnant, so give her a break. Give her a break. Bien-beni-do. Who makes a fault

can't do perfectly? The Dr. Ferreiro preferreter not his forces. Yeah, I can't walk. I'm gonna walk. Oh, God. See, this is like

that Munchausen syndrome juice where he, like, wants her to be, like, weak and, like... Munchausen or Stockholm syndrome? Yeah, exactly. Call back to that other video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you know, you know.

Ophelia. Father? Yeah, exactly. Oh, no, I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. Oh, yeah. You're supposed to shake with the riots.

Disrespect. Mercedes. That guy with the mustache looks kind of familiar too. Oh, I recognize it. That guy with the mustache looks kind of familiar too. Oh, this is fun. Oh, no, your hat. Grab your beret.

Oh, here we go. Yeah, about to get that design juice. That sure looks maze like... Yeah, that looks like the face of the rock, too. It's a labyrinth... Hedle... ...orshadowing. Horsshadowing.

Who is Mercedes to the captain? Your father me needs to the captain. You're... Oh yeah, I need to know. Oh yeah, this is driving me nuts. I've seen her. Yeah, we know. Oh.

Yeah, we know. You've made that clear enough. What if the bug is the girl that died? That's a good-looking effect. Yeah, it does look great. Three new posts of vigilance. Here, here, and here, and here. This is what most of my days look like.

Diggle to Dr. Ferreiro, that will have to be me. Yes, sir. With this, you'll be you all the night. I don't know. if I trust this doctor while with child yeah that's what I'm saying I'm like does does the captain want her to have like not the baby because it's not his maybe I don't know I'm like ugh no more of those gotas until to goos two bottles boy what is that what we got is a lot in them or

something you know he's hurt I'm gonna have to amputed I've been able to get more. I've got the looks between you two. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Yeah. I'm like, what's in that package, Mercedes? And what's in their history? I'm going to give a surprise.

I'm going to do. A Nintendo. I really hope she wakes up alive. I'm getting a bad feeling. Because you need it. I did it. Oh, I was alone. Even is all alone.

Aww. Your men are a little inquietto. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. In a place, very long and a

place ... Wow. Cool. What a visual. Oh. Into the womb. Wow.

All the nights a rose that was toorgue to her Filmed in Woomovision. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, that's awesome. But never of the promise, of the immortality.

And all the tarses marcia's marchita. Wow, cool. What a lovely secret. How can't it? Very demil. Descanceral or what is here.

And my son? Oh, it is his son. Okay. Oh, all right. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm scared. Don't hurt them, but I know he's gonna. Yeah, that gas was dancing.

No, God, no, Patria, or no. Oh no. Oh no. Oh, no. Oh, God. Farmers Omeneck. Fun sound design. Oh, God.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ! Oh my God! Oh, I hate you! I want you to die! Hilo de puttta! Wow, you suck, bro. Why are you still rifling through their crap, you sociopath? Ha, ugh.

What a dick. Wow, look what you made me do. What you made me do. Holy junk, that's terrible. I would feel so much guilt. That little exhale. Yeah, rough, rough living. Oh God, that scared me.

Ooh, whoa, no. God, I was so arrested by that other moment. I'm almost disoriented to be back in this room. Ugh. You got wings. It could be me. Oh my god, I love it. Whoa.

Oh my goodness. Whoa. Oh my god. Oh. Fascinating. Wow. Come with me. Out.

Where to where? This way. come on here we go into the old labyrinth I love how deliberate all the camera moves are and like the pace of everything is like it's like swift but patient oh boy the monolith oh no oh damn mr. Tumness Oh my god. Oh, is that his daughter? That's his daughter?

Is she supposed to be the princess, the little princess? She might be. He said you've returned. My name is Ophelia. Who the hell are you? I'm Bart Simpson. Who the hell are you? I've been so many.

And the arboles. You say it properly, I'd have to pull out your tongue. I'm... I'm... Oh, oh, oh. I'm shaking it out. Oh, he's a fauna. Oh, okay, yeah.

Deshudito, artite. No, no. You're the princess Moana. Reignor in his terran. My father is astre. No, I'm not so he's a man. Oh. Oh.

Oh, in your own right Oh my god, really? Let's look. Verdaddero parre, he's to open portals that permit your regress. That's an amazing effect. I agree. The costume, the makeup.

You're a quintessential. You're quintessential. Let's go. You must answer these riddles three. Riddles three love it this is the book of crossroads

when you stay solo oh oh mr. oh boy oh no into the shadows

also I need to see that left shoulder girl what mark is it oh no I don't know I want to know what music you like what are we doing Sweeney Todd Ugh, this guy's a maniac.

He's like already pretty clean-shaven, but of course he's the guy who like would shave every, it's got to be precise. Twice a day. Yeah. Mercedes, prepare these conjoys for the dinner of you. Oh my god. This coffee is a very kemado. Pruve it. Yeah, all right.

They've been to vigil as well as good as when it's the fire. What's the man. What a creeper. great performance but like yeah everything he says sounds like it could be some veiled threat uh-huh ominous because you saw her face she like kind of show up fusty dandy i love it this is where the real talk yeah exactly this is where i want to hang out if i had to be here yeah it's it's almost like down abbey you always want to hang out in the kitchen too yeah yeah yeah oh did he get her dress you made it oh we started stepfather

That does they are? Yes, they're very beautiful. Go ahead. Go ahead. Very bonito. Mm. That does look like an incredible bath, I must say. Kitchen, close second, the bath.

Yeah. Those circle windows. Agreed. Whoa, cool. Oh, awesome. Use your imagination, your mind's eye to fill the page. Great visuals. Yeah, I love these illustrations.

Comment below, who's the artist? Salas! Oh, slas! I want to be the vestigeo I want to be the captain. Yeah, where's the mark? Uh-oh. Oh, there is that.

Yep, there it is. A princess. The sunglasses only show up under black light. She cut a thing and she hit a knife under her dress. Oh, snap, okay. in her belt area. You're precious, yeah.

And then to work. You're just putting the time. You want a little of milk. Oh, fresh milk. Okay. Do you? But when I was

when I was when I was so, I don't think. What if I showed you one? Well, that night I visited a radar. A fauna.

A fauna. It's very old, very old. Smelled like Earth. Be wary of fawns. Maybe he's not so tumnous after all. Dude, this guy's hat. Wow. Yeah, okay.

That's my name. The key? Yes, sir. It's the only copy. A part of today, I'll leave it. Oh, God. That's gonna be probably. Oh, that's gonna be a big problem.

He's gonna ration it. better steal some stuff right now. That's where she brought the knife maybe. I actually got to get all the olives down. Whoa, that hillside. There we go. You're glad to get a battle. At the first of the time, vivian in harmony the animals.

A veritable garden of Eden. They're protect each one to the others, and they were together under the sombre of a frondos arbor, that creed in the colina, close of the molyno. The pig. The figs are now newtons. Debole of his raises, that no

let's sanar. Abra's to met the three piedas of ambar magics in his boca. Oh, in his mouth. And recuperate a yellow

that's a gold that's in his vintrey. Oh, no, this is not good. Your mom's gonna be so mad. The arbor will be to florecary. I like that it's sort of an Alice in Wonderland dress, but

you know, this like deep, deep emerald green. Totally. Smart of you to take it off. You already ruined the shoes. Yeah, we're just sticking to the shoes. Yeah, might as well. Yeah.

Wow. Cool. It must have done that practically. It looks like it. Especially if we look back and it's in our hair, I think. Oh, no, no, no. Oh my God, it's going to blow away. Here we go.

Nor. Here we go. Forget about it, dude. Yeah. Oh, God. You're doing it, girl. Proud of you for not like screaming. They've still warm.

Son of a bitch. Oh my. Antibiotic. Oh. They forgot this lottery ticket. They're here. The traps. Oh, okay.

Now that looks like the package that Mercedes got from the doctor. that she must have given to these people, and it was antibiotics. Y'all! Oh, s'havis'olvigado this! And the billet de lottery! Why do you got it. Who knows?

Yeah. You knows. I think they know that you would kill them, you psycho. Who are you guys? Yeah, what are we gonna do here? Oh, no. Oh, God, that's the toad. The toad.

It's spooky. No, it's a veronza. Combinge the bichitos. Aw. I'm growing fat while the tree dies. Damn, when was this made again? Oh, whoa! Oh, no.

Oh no. Where's the third? Hey. There we go. There we go, nice trick. Yeah, good job, Princess Moana. Whoa, my God, what? What?

What's going on here? What is this? Damn, the texture is wild. Oh, and he just, he just, okay, deflates. Good jumping between. digital and practical props and effects jesus god that's disgusting it's so beautiful the key oh girl that dress ain't gonna be out there you did good though kid you did it good well done alice oh god what are we gonna do hey this will help a little bit but not enough

What we need is one of those, like, reels you see of, like, someone tossing a whole bunch of shit on, like, a dirty old carpet and, like, vacuuming it all up and, like, it's pristine. And you're like, bye, bye, bye, bye now. Where can I get all of this? Yeah. But where do you have meted to me? For here, for a moment. Permit me present to my spouse, Carmen. Encanada, much gusto.

Yeah. Charmed. Yeah. A cartia of rationment for family. Oh, God. That's that they're sending food to the mountain. They're getting terrain. How are you so sure?

Today, he's like, dude. Loviet. That's his antibiotic. To that people, God, yeah, has saved the alma. Toca the body, it's suede. Well, yeah, he's like, dude.

Yeah. He's like, dude. All what he needs, Captain. We know that not is here for gusto. I'm here because I want to my my son. Duke. That the war

was done. And we can't know us. And if, for that we all end up to us We are all here by choice. We are all here by choice. Cheers, sociopath. Yeah. Sign me up. I don't know how much business is always happening.

Just kind of around the house there. Oh, that's how she does it. Great. Nice, sly signal there. Oh, but... Maybe Mercedes will help her get her cleaned up before... Oh, my father of Ophelia, he confecionabal Oh, boy. I entree to work in a tent of generos of a little more of a year, and the captain and I...

That's curious, right? Ew. You're a hub he used to make her the uniform. What? Oh, my God. You are such a prick. What are you supposed to say? Exactly.

Like, you're just supposed to not say anything. Just sit there and look. Pretty. They make of a bigger, more epic story next time. No. I've said, you know, that's why you've been obsessed to that watch. No, no idea. That's when General Vidal died in the camp of battle.

Stryl's his reloct to his death. Wow. Oh. That's why you've been access to that watch. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. When you are? When you go to the bed,

you'll go to the camera without dinner. What were you like in her age? She smiled because she's like, that ain't my real dad. She's like, that ain't my real dad. Labyrinth. Take me out of here on looking out for mother and baby, or is he like clutching them?

Yeah. Oh, interesting. And the nina? And the baby? Ah, you've got the key. Oh, interesting. Conservable the key. You'll need a little bit of time.

Hey. Oh, there's only two probes more, and the luna, yeah, brunt... Wow, the practical effects in this are amazing. I know that what you do is really. A poor fauna, Oh no, no, no, no, no.

This is the pan of every day in the Spain of Franco. The Reds lie. Let me what will be pass now. Oh, red is not good. That looks like blood. Oh, yeah. And Mom's not doing well.

Does the brother have to die? I was going to say that also looked somewhat, I don't know, uterine in design. Yes, it did. Maybe this is just a little. a Roershack test and I have some things to untack. Yeah, the fact that her instinct

yeah. Yikes. Jesus Christ. No, you just said that. We are aware. That's all you have to say. Yeah. Our daily bread. We need a repose absolute.

Oh, she survived. Oh, yeah. Wow, that's crazy, the kid is still alive. No, that's crazy, the kid is still alive. Huh. Maybe the baby was her baby when she grows up. Oh, snap, don't... Yeah.

Careful. Right. Aww. Aw. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Good girl.

Look at it. You know, one, but I don't remember the letter. I want to hear it. Aw. Aww. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. You're right. Is this the humming from the beginning? Mm. Is it? Yeah, it is. They shoot this on film? Sure it looks like it.

I always forget that like pre a certain point in time most stuff is on film. And you can really tell what is digital and then eventually it changes. I feel like this was like 2000s though. Yeah, like it said like 2003. I felt like it said that. No, no, no, no. Don't run away. It's only me. All right.

Okay, let's freaking go. What are we doing? What are we doing? He got that Hippocratic oath. Oh, no, are we like straight up running away? Well, yeah, you will. Tantomido has, Vector. No, no is a sad little man who wasn't man enough for his daddy. Oh.

Whoa. Yeah, these guys just come on out of the shadows. Pedro. Herman. Oh. Aww. Aw. Aw.

Have you evided the prove. My mother is a firm. Okay, savage. It's a mandragora, a plant that dreamt of being human. ...the the camera of your mother with leech fresh every morning. Two drops of blood, sir. Let's guide for them.

You're going to a place very dangerous. What that has been... Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, so banquete, no comies, and beaise absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Oh, all the bida in it. Okay, girl, don't go with an empty stomach then, maybe. Frenchy? No, there's not. Cut it off. Yeah, we're off.

Oh, God, look at the saw. Look at the old school saw! Oh, Dr. Gordon. Oh, Christ the Lord. Let me have a moment with my leg. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, that was so sweet. I really felt that.

Wow. What a cut. Like just enough. Ooh, I do like the chalk door trope. Yeah, that's cool. One of the open the door, initiate the relog of the arenas. Whoa.

Before. This is so fun. Like the way they, he blends these fairy tale story book elements in... With like the real story. Yeah, and like they're so well observed. Like, clearly someone who loves them. a fairy tale, loves a fable, you know, wrote this. Yeah.

And like it lives up to that tradition so far really nicely. I feel like this is the kind of clip someone must have brought into one of our cinematography classes or something. Oh, whoa. Cool. What is that guy over there? Oh, no. God, all the food is like ragged.

Oh, God, that's terrifying. I don't want it. That is spooky as all get up. Is that his eyeballs? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. So help me, God, red eyes. Oh, munching on him. Oh, it's eating babies. Okay. Okay. Wow.

Oh my god. Is that why we're putting the milk on her mom's bed to get the baby to feed this weirdo? Just the miscarriage demon out here eating kids? Oh. Free locks. Oh, what a sound effect. Ooh, that ringing. I don't like it. Stop it.

Sparkle, sparkle. No. This is that. Oh, boy. It's gone quick. One of those Halloween things for you. Whoa. Damn.

Got sting. Damn, now I want to know is in the other doors. Yeah. So open them all. I'm sure there will be no consequence. consequence to that type of greed. No, don't eat anything. We already talked about this. No, come on. Ophelia, you gotta get out of there. Come on, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they told you, what is going on with you, Ophelia? Yeah, they told you. You were smarter than this. Listen to the fairies, however, she must be pretty starved, especially after going to bed without dinner. Oh, God, your life to depends on it now it's gonna wake this uh here we go here we go well good thing you

have a knife oh my god this is spooky what a what a monster this is looks amazing those like disgusting oh my god those like string and percussion stripes as it moves strikes oh my that's the creepiest freaking thing i've ever seen in my life that it looks wild Yeah, I feel like at this point, that's one of like the most famous images in movie history. Wow. Look at that. Those little spindly legs. That's gnarly.

That's gnarly. No. Oh, my God, Ozzy Oswald. Ew. Rest the piece. Oh, no. Oh! Ew!

Oh, they tried to warn you. Yeah, they did. And truly, like, yeah. Wow. I just love the practicality of it. Like, it looks amazing. And truly like a quintessentially Guillermo del Toro kind of. Oh, no.

No, no, no, no! What? Girl. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh. Oh, God. Wow.

Did they get like Javier Motet or like one of those guys who's impossibly skinny? Those legs have to be some kind of digital effect or something. Wow. Up and out. Pull, pull, pull, pull. Good job, girl. Good job, girl. Come on, come on.

No. Thank goodness. Thank goodness. Wow. There's still got to be consequences, though. Yeah, there has to be. You'd have to be. If you really, it's important,

cruz to the frontier with her. Damn, dude. Real one. They got to fight for their cause, man. Like you yourself get to witness it. No. You're risking your life constantly. Constantly.

Not killing him every day. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I hope she's doing like little almost undetectable things, just to mess with him. Me too, like just a little bit of poison in your food sometimes, make him feel. Yeah, like I'm standing down the soles of your shoes, so you're getting a little bit shorter every day. It looks like, yeah, it looks like a fetus, like a like a fetus plant. Oh, God. Well, did you put blood in there?

Wow. I'm going from practical to the CGI. I looked really good. Yeah. Okay, yeah, you are going to. Oh, no, no, it's supposed to be across the palm. Oh, all right. There's two drops? How many drops we did?

A few drops left. The Fibre is down. Don't know how, but that is. Oh, are we striking now? Seems like it. Oh, wow, okay. Dante's peak is erupting. Yeah, it does look like that.

If you hear you, the things for here not They're not very well, but you'll probably have to go out of my mom. Oh. That don't you like the daddy? I hope you like the daddy. But you'll be like the daddy.

But you'll be when she's onry. You'll absolutely love her when she smiled. Aww. Aww. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Damn. What contented the vacuons that hasalted? No, no. Yeah, just wrecked the line. Oh, I mean, having a functional train track seems like it would be pretty important. We're at it. Yeah.

We're going at it. Let's go! Oh, my God! And to lure you away from the house, yeah. Exactly, smart! Smart! Out of the woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They had a key. Wasn't the only copy, so now he knows. Jesus. Oh, okay. I'll give him this, he's out there. I thought that he was going to be a little coward and go go fight them, but he's running up until he's doing the thing. This guy is determined to be as much of a man as possible.

Where are you going to smash the watch? Exactly. Oh God, this is not good. Wow! Double tap! It's weird, this isn't like a super gory movie, but like the violence is very matter of fact. Agree. Very stark.

Let me see. No. He's going to shove his gun in there. Yeah, yes. Oh. Oh, my God. Oh, I hate it. Oh, I hate it.

I hate it. I hate it. Yeah. Savage. Oh, yeah. All right. Your heart's weighing down. My capitan.

Here is a brother. It must be. Oh. What? What? It's her brother. It's got to be. Oh, no, no, no, no. God, the fact that they all died, though, and he's going to know that, like, yeah, that she was the one who had the key, I would get out of there, girl.

Okay, maybe he doesn't suspect. I don't know. Aww. Ha! Yeah sufficient. Like, how is? They like, that's what she did earlier. Yeah, exactly. They, um...

I don't think that I'm I'm going to but I'll agree. Okay, so the thing did work then. Difficil to get, eh? Yeah, you want some? Nah, don't butter them up. Oh, he's not the...

Oh, he's not the... Oh, yeah, he is the brother. Her brother didn't stutter. I thought the stutterer was a different guy, but... Yeah, okay. When we passem to these, we'll have a relation... Oh my God.

Oh, no. Oh, dear. No. No. No. No. No. Tell me.

Oh, God. Oh, you're going to propone. Oh, you're so close. Come on, buddy. Uh, yep. Uh, yep. This is one of the most wrenching things. Lest you.

Yep. Yep. Oh, boy. Oh, God. Is he gonna be really mad? An accident? I don't know about that. Yeah, all his pets are gone. Oh, are they mad now? They've rotho the regas!

They're just two oas. No, no, no. No, no. Morin'is, like they. Your memory, disappear with it. Wow. Damn.

Savage, dude. He did say your life depended on it, and now it just got a... it got bad, it got bad in there. And as much as I feel for you, it's hardly an accident. You chose the shit out of that. Disculpe that he'll molester them, but I think we need to you. I want to torture him again. Wow!

But the things are bettering. Oh, shit. Shit. Shit. Yeah. Shit. Dude. Dude. Dude. This has to be often. Dude, Doctor, I hope you have a gun. I hope you have a gun. That has to be a common place to store your antibiotics.

Common type of vial. Yeah, this poor kid. Just do it for him, because this guy's gonna come back and get you, Doctor. sang. You know, put two and two together. Oh my goodness. God, doctor, doctor, doctor, I hope you have a weapon. I'll take away the pain.

Jesus, that was authentic. Oh god, it's really not doctor. Holy junk, I really don't like this. Oh shit. Oh, God. I'm thinking you're better. What's this? No! No! No!

No! No! Bro! That's your baby! It's supposed to help. Just say something about it's supposed to help. Just say something about it's supposed to help. Please, let us allas. I'll talk with her, carino.

Very good. I'm glad he left. No interest in being an actual parent. Ophelia, you have to listen to your father. You need to change. She does not look well. Leave me from here. Leave me from here. Please, let me go to here.

The things are not so simple. Oh, my God, dude. She can't go anywhere. Oh, God. And, you'll understand that the life is like in your contests the world is a place sometimes you've got to be

in the cruelest place to try and protect yourself. And that's going to do it, oh God, she's going to throw it in the fire and that's going to hurt. The magic no exists. No,

no, Here we go, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. I don't like this at all. Oh my god! Oh my god! You don't need that, doctor. Oh, this is terrible. Oh, this is bad. Why it was it was, it was the only that could do.

No, I would have a weapon, doctor. I could have a weapon, doctor. I could have, but I didn't. Oh no. No, no-tiento. Oh, boy. Obedece for Obedecese like, so, without mention it.

That's all what you, Capitan. Oh my god, is you gonna let him go? No, no way in hell. Only people like you, he's gonna shoot him dead, yep, yep. Wow. Oh, I'm glad you told him that.

Oh, look at him, he keeps walking. Good for you, buddy. Oh god, poor guy. Oh, you're a real one, duck. Shoot him eight more times just to be sure. Captain! Oh no, oh no. All right, fine. I don't think the true Paramag is going to cut it, though.

No. Oh, wow, yep. A lot of blood. Oh, no. Oh, God. Mom died. Mom died. I know it. She's not crying. Oh. God. Woof. Dude.

Oh, tragic. Tragic. Yeah. Because in his power and in his mystery it's in itsericordia. Oh, God.

Because, if God God, it's in those glasses. Because when the Tierra's

only a caron batio and sincing. Well. Well. Because it's in the Dolor where

the sense of the life and the state of grace that we have plenty of pain for one lifetime. The hands the solution puts the solution in our hands, the divine riddle. Yeah, this was so like, oh, damn too much, and yeah, you know, it had such a sense of wonder and has arceded in arched into something wholly tragic. So dark. Yeah. Sad. It is like a coming of age.

You know, all of Dr. Cerreiro. All of the people of here. The Tartamudo was about the informant inside of the Molino. Oh God, because he said he spoke.

Did he give away Mercedes? Mickey Boom, Boom, down. For favor. You got that knife, girl. You better use it. Holy to Molli. to Molly.

Counterbalance the knife. Stam. Retraved. What do you think of me? Thinker that I'm a monster. No. I don't bother thinking. I want to go to the bodega and me

bring more aguardiente. For favor. Yes, sir. Good night, sir. Merced. No. Sir. Oh, that's how he knows.

That's how he knows. That's how he knows. Shight. Damn it. Oh yeah. No, yeah. No, it's not much importance, but the day that they're in the bodega,

with that granada, explosives, the candide not was forced. Yeah. Use that knife, honey. In fin, ... ...

This guy. This guy. This man. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Surprising.

It's killer right then, but I guess, her right then but I guess he assumed she's gonna come back with the liquor I bet he keeps that record needle extra heavy just so that the vinals feel pain they're playing the music she were gonna wake her up and say let's go we're running away hop in my knapsack Ophelia oh no to what I can't say let's give me with you no no no Oh, come back for you. Oh, come back for you. Oh, my God.

Oh, okay. Here we going. Here we go. Here we go. Y'all better run. God, man. Oh, God. Somebody's out there.

What? Where? Yeah. It's all noise out here. Oh, God, that umbrella, nope. She's going to be, forget about it, forget about it. No, I don't trust the umbrella. Wow, Jesus Christ.

All of them. Wow. Michael Myersdom. Ophelia. Oh, God. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Vigilin'a! Brilliant acting, little girl.

I hope you won an Oscar. Wow. Oh. Oh, good job. Phenomenal. Chorizo. Tobacco. But not the good shit.

I want the good shit. I don't like these names of those who have written of me. Mayana? Yes, my captain. Retirese, Garcese. I don't like it. I really don't. Yeah, he's going to do some nefarious things.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Okay, but... I admire this guy. I think this guy is my new role model. He has discovered my point devil... ...a suburbia.

You don't say... ...you don't say... ...to here... ...to look here... ...to look... The issue is very simple. You're going to talk. And I have to know

that I'm saying the truth. There we go. Yes, baby. Come on, come on, come on. That's what I'm talking about. Let's go. You better not do it too soon. Okay.

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Come on, honey. Come on, honey. Yeah, sister, hell yeah. Do not stop, girl. Do not stop, girl. Don't stop. Keep going. Wow.

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Yes! You won't be a first thing. Get right and done, bitch.

LFG. That is what I'm talking about. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I got goosebumps. Yeah. I'm ready. Holy to Molly. Hey! Oh God, no, no, no, no, no, no. Come on, no, no. Great, great, great makeup and practical fact right there with his mouth. Wow, that was wild. A very intimate wound.

Jesus Christ, these dudes are fat. I guess that's how they get to where they are. They mobilize quick. Yeah. Do we have a secret, like, hiding place maybe? Oh, God. There's no way you can outrun these horses. There's just no way.

This is so fascinating this movie. Oh, God. Oh, what are we doing? Yeah, we give up. We give up. This guy reminds me of Jean Reno, obviously, is not, but... Yeah. And, like, him and one other guy.

That guy from the Grand Budapest itself. Serge. This is it going to be with me for the good. Capitan me has said that if you porttabas. Ooh. Grit, girl, you got grit. Let's go, baby. Oh no, she'll do it.

Oh, no, she'll do it. Screw you, buddy. Oh, nice, nice, nice, nice! It's brother in the hills? I was gonna say, yeah. Brother be in the hills right now. They didn't get Pedro? Oh my god.

Hey. It's Ophelia. cut to her right there we go well done hell yeah thank goodness oh my god reinforcements I thought they all died with the you know they said they only caught one alive so like I thought a lot of them died but I'm so glad they didn't well yeah each time we've seen them they've been a small number of people yeah they didn't show the full hand or we got some reinforcements there. This movie's not even over, and I want to watch it again immediately.

Right. Hey! Oh, okay. I was literally about to say, like, I could imagine not even ever going back to the fantasy now, but... It's your ultimate opportunity. Recogeth to your brother, and tryd me to the labyrinth to the labyrinth, Okay, so her brother is the baby in the rock. No more questions. No more questions.

You have the key. Oh, right, right, right. Chalk that shit up. Let's go, baby. Go into the chalk zone. Well, that guy's about to fall off is worse. Yeah. You're about to do a stunt right now on the wide frame.

I'm so glad she cut your mouth open like the joker. Wow, great effect. Yeah, God. It's amazing. I want to know how I got these scorn. Is he going to do it to the other side because he's so psycho? Oh, no, he's going to, okay. That would be wild.

Right, that he's like. Wow, my guy. Wow. Oh my God. Holy shit. My God. You cannot take away from this dude that he is a hard son of a bitch. Wow.

Holy shit. Ah! Oh! Okay. He's going to be the scarecrow now. I guess you've earned your wholly insane sense of draconian pride. Yeah, I guess so. Okay.

here. Oh god. How do we get the brother without him crying and without this psychopathianus? You gotta draw a hole in the floor for him to fall into. Damn dude, you're gonna have to like take a break from screaming at people to have that thing heal. I'm so afraid we're about to see the stitches like rip open. He's gonna see the chalk and be like what in the actual way. Maybe not. He'll just drink us out. You gotta sterilize that somehow. Gonna leak out.

Oh, yeah. Oh, gross! What an effect, wow. Ah, you were right, yeah, that looks gnarly. Every effect in this is amazing. Oh, God, oh God. Shoot, whoever's trying to draw. She gone?

She's gone? She's gone. Good girl. Okay. Where are we hiding? She's on the ceiling. Give Supermise, my captain. And now, what's what about?

Serrano has returned. He brought peppers. Nice, okay. Opportunity to take Hermano. Oh, to make the baby sleep. Smart girl, so he doesn't cry. Oh, or to make the captain sleep. Nice, okay.

Ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't cry except for it. Hell. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. Hell, yeah. Oh, don't talk to him, Jewel Hallmeyer.

How old are? No, I don't know exactly my captain, but no, minus 50, umres. I killed Phidim. Oh boy. God, this dude's empire is being dismantled. You, I, together. Okay, girl. We gotta go. We gotta go. Oh, God. I feel like we're gonna get caught.

We're gonna get caught. When you go to one of the patrols, communicate for radio with the tenant colonel. We need a point, drink, drink, drink, drink, drink. God. He's gonna see the bottle? Did she leave the bottle? Damn it.

Oh no, just to watch. Okay, okay. Drink it, buddy. Come on now. Ain't dead yet. Honey, stop moving. Oh, it takes breath. Okay. Whoa.

Oh no. Oh, golly. Dechaloo. Nah, dude. You know you're a monster. You know you belong nowhere. near a child yeah there we go thank goodness cool oh no I hope you fall down the stairs buddy wow the camera motion on this is that an in-camera trick or a

Wow Jesus Full-on war zone Oh Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Wow, gorgeous lighting That looks amazing

Oh, God, how are you still running? Like, this is an impeccably designed period piece and a fantasy movie at the same time. God, this dude has the fortitude of an ox. Go down, man. Although maybe we'll get some cool spooky creature ripping them apart. Hopefully this guy might might well he only needs babies kids but maybe he'll do this feeling it would be fitting for him to meet him he's like the shriveled up he's the head of the table in a lot of ways he mirrors him that is that looked amazing yeah wow wild literally the labyrinth

Okay. Oh no. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh no. Oh no. Chazzo,

just the ultimate Prue. Oh, I don't know, man. It's a big knife for just a little prick. Resinjistar! Entragal me to the new. This is a test.

Man no It's her blood, bro. Yeah, she would. Yeah, every time. Oh, God. Oh, God. What is he doing? What is he doing? What is he doing? Need it, need it, need it.

No. What? You're gonna crush it. What? No. Oh, God, he's getting killed. Holy shit! Oh.

Wait. Did she shoot her or did some? Oh, God, he shot her. Wow! this oh my god this is the opening shot her there dying

wow you need to die I need to see it otherwise I'm not going to be happy this guy's the hero haven't you been paying attention you have to die right now I need vengeance oh here's our vengeance right here what are we going to do to him let's use all of his tools on him yeah get a doctor in here to stitch him up to Mercedes there we go yeah grab it from him

before he does something heinous yes psychopath to him. Yeah, you tell him. Tell him. Tell him. Oh, I tell him shit for you. Yeah, you tell him.

Hell! You tell him. Ooh, the eye ball. The eye? Stuff like that. Whack, never seen that before. Stuff like that, yeah. Definitely makes my skin crawl.

crawl. And yet he's just singing and partying, watching Terror Fire, too. I'll tell you that much. You know, it's a different thing. Sometimes it's the subtle shit. Like, whenever someone in a psychological thriller like rips part of their fingernail thing. Oh, the nail. No, I hate that, too. I hate that too. That's worse than a decapitation or a vertical bison. Oh, my God. Is she dead? She's dead. She has to be dead.

Absolutely sad. But wait sacrifice of the blood the innocent and it's in the thing. It's in the thing. So what happens here? Oh my god. Oh my god. Come on. What happens here? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Blood magic. Give it to us. Give it to us. Magic. Magic. Magic. Magic. It's one of the best death fake outs that we've received. Totally me too. Wow. Blood rain. She's still like, yeah. Oh, rise.

Oh. Oh my God. Oh. You're to inherit the Golden Army. Oh, that great effect. A little bit of Dorothy in there. A little bit of the red slippers. She's the little red boots on.

Wow. Holy tamale. She's in the Bill and Ted place. Her throne's up there. Padre. You've derramed your sanger before the of an innocent.

That was the last proof, the most important. Aww. Mama. Aw. It's like an elf. And you've

have elized well. You chose what wisely. And sit down to your father, that's so sweet and one whole

so sweet. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh. Aw. Oh, no. That smile at the end. No reverse.

It was happier where she went. I did not expect. I did not expect this. Me neither. Oh, damn, that's sad. Oh, that's sad. And it's sad. Oh, that's sad.

Oh. And that's reigned with justice and for many of the heaven. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. ... ... ... ...

... Oh my God. Wow. Wow. The Labyrintho del Fano. Oh, my goodness, gang. We have braved the labyrinth. We have witnessed the fall

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This was a whole lot of things. And it's an interesting bit of a rosetta stone because there's, having seen other Guillermo del Toro joints, you can see elements that. will go into further solidifying what we now know to be like his style. But this is a really fascinating blend of, yeah, the fantasy elements we know him for and also like a really effective wartime period piece. Yeah. It's like a real effective drama that never sacrifices itself on behalf of the fantasy and the fantasy never seems to sacrifice itself on behalf of the drama. Like it goes away for a while, but it's appropriate to the story.

Balanced. We got much to talk about with a movie. like this, but I feel like a lot of your guys' questions will, you know, kind of guide us through the major things there are to say, and then we can throw out any straight points at the end. So let's hop in. Thank you to our patrons, our Royal Rejects, for Stoke in the Fires of the Convo. Mark Leach, thank you for chiming in. Ooh, sorry. Still in the afterglow.

What is your take on the ending of this brilliant movie? Do you believe that the fantasy world exists since he actually transcended, or do you believe, like me, that it was all a coping mechanism to help her deal with the awful reality she lived and the ending was just a hallucination she was having while she died depending on which one you believe determines whether you could see this as a happy or sad ending actually i disagree i think they're both happy because let's let's say that you don't believe in heaven in heaven it's just a way that she was coping but at the end that's what she really saw right you see the bright light and you follow it and apparently you feel good um And whether that's reality or not, I believe that that's how she actually felt.

Even if she doesn't end up in that place that we saw, I still feel as though for her it's a happy ending. It's sad for us because she died. But at the end, I still feel whether she ends up in that place doesn't matter to me because at the end, she got that like to follow the light type of a vibe. that's how I view it. Yeah, I would agree. I feel like it's bittersweet, obviously, because you don't expect

we are accustomed to movies where this might not happen or whether like a studio note would mandate that like, oh, the soldiers had a medic and they were able to save her and whatever else. But I think this functions really well on both levels. Like it's a lovely fairy tale and you can take it that way and then you can

accept it as her transcending into this kingdom. I think if you're if you want to take it at face value as a fairy tale, I think you can. I think if you're just religious in general or you have some idea of an afterlife, you can kind of blur the lines there. Or if you want to, because of the fact of the bookend of the movie where you have her on the ground, the blood's like trickling up in reverse, and then you have the whole movie in between that and the very end where we return to that shot and, you know, she moves on to the next realm. You know, you could say that this is all the dying

hallucination and a sequence of memories and whatever else and I think all of them work nicely and it's like you can look at it from all those angles and it's compelling like I think that's the mark of something that's really well conceived and really well articulated is like they kind of all work if you want them to and at least here and now in this moment like none of them seem to uh cheapen the other for the sake of one function like they all just kind of work nicely within this and And I think, yeah, it manages not to be completely sad because, you know, she still triumphs in a way. You know that she is still kind of at peace now. And it's really sad, but, you know, she has, like, you know, gone through this coming of age journey,

and she's done something that has some level of impact, even if it's a small, you know, addition to, you know, the resistance and, you know, life flourishing in the world. so yeah I mean I think they're all valid for sure Eric Horstman thanks for chiming in buddy hope you're doing well I can imagine you being a cool fawn man and that actually ties into your question

Eric says okay since Mr. Mark Leach beat me to the real question easy one for you is the fawn good or evil or maybe somewhere in between I mean I think it's he's good

from what we saw at the end I think that he is meant to be there to be a challenge that she has to get over even though he was like listen it's one prick for the kid and she's like absolutely not and that was like the test that he was putting her through

I think the test you know not great but I think he's good because we do see at the end where you know he's like you did the right thing you were actually needed we needed your blood we didn't want you to give up your brother's blood to be here that was the mark of like whatever he said like a good person let's say um so i would say good i don't really think evil because of everything he told her to do i was scared at first but she did get the key um and the little thing underneath mom's bed didn't make her feel better and

when it was thrown in the fire it got a lot worse and then yeah i think good yeah it i think there's ultimately it sure seems like generally probably an all right guy if the kingdom is to be believed in you know how they describe it here yeah yeah i i do like a lot that uh you get to wonder that and that there is a certain sinister quality to that character and yeah at times in the performance, both physically and in the voice performance, there is warmth at times, and there are other times where, yeah, it seems just a little bit sinister, but you can't tell, and it's nice to put you, it's a nice way to put you into her shoes

and her perspective and to get you playing on your own instincts and stuff. And, yeah, it's like, I too enjoyed this back and forth of, like, at first he's like, okay, here, these are the rules. you can't like with the tape the whole thing with the feast she's like can't eat anything your life depends on it you know this is crucial and you know she fails that test they give her the other chance but when it counts like the really important test is you know the test at the end and it's that yeah that level of instinct and i feel like you know you need a character who can carry out this kind of twisted you know test on somebody and i get this feeling just as a

fantasy world that like all the characters kind of have some degree of their own free will even if they're acting part of you know some kind of ritual or game or if they have some kind of realm that they occupy in this spiritual space this otherworldly place um so yeah generally good but i think yeah there's at least a certain element of sinisterness that is obviously intentional but yeah he seems like an all right guy and uh and too that was fun because like this does carry on the tradition of a lot of fairy tale type stuff. And so, like, there is, you know, like, you do have that Mr. Tumness thing of like, oh, the fawn.

Like, of course, this is a classic trope of these kinds of, you know, odysseys or there's like Alice in Wonderlandy stuff about it. And, yeah, like, Mr. Tumnus kind of inspires trust immediately. And so to play on that, have it be more of like, is this a Grimm's fairy tale? Yeah. Is this going to be a cautionary tale about trust in this guy? Yeah, totally. Hunter Preston, how do you think it handled its graphic violence and balance with the rest of the movie?

I think it did a nice job of it. I mean, I really didn't think, here's the thing. When it got graphic, when we are seeking vengeance on that guy, I wanted more and more and more. I was like, ripped the other side of his face. I'll watch every single bit of it because I was just like, hell yeah, versus some of the other stuff when we see like the resistance uh dying and being hurt um i i don't think that it was just being graphic for graphics sake aka tear fire two i'm saying this is coming in here to be like we're showing what a monster this guy is this is real stuff this is what he really did to this guy's hand

stuff like that it didn't it didn't bother me um in balance with the rest of the movie because it's just showing a true story like truly what's happening in the lives of these of these people and I think if there was even less of it it wouldn't have like hit us as good as when

she rips his mouth open you wouldn't feel as freaking good if we hadn't seen all that stuff that came prior that just really revs it up for us yeah it really enhances the horror and

some of the catharsis because yeah, like the movie has a really nice balance of things and it's not a movie that's like filled with action filled with gore or anything like that but when violence is happening blend of kinds of movie because it's a war movie

in part and I feel like one thing war movies often do is they'll show you some kind of maiming or violence that is like unique and arresting and this movie does that you know like the the torture on the guy with the stutter or especially when she's stabbing him kind of slowly and it's and it's very personal and yeah she's got the knife in his mouth and it's it's it's grounded in a way and a wound like that is like not something you're used to seeing and it is stuff like that like you're saying the reaction sometimes it's something like that's like way more squirmy and unsettling than like you know someone getting hacked up with a chainsaw or whatever right and i think that this nicely in its like flipping of an alison wonderland We rewatch that, and I was, like, struck with the idea of, like, oh, this is, like, a kid going through, like, a coming-of-age journey just about how, like, you can't just do nonsense all the time and you need a little bit of structure in your life.

And, like, this is the version of that where it's like, hey, fairy tales are great and all, but it's a harsh, bleak world out there. And you've got to fucking grow up and at least do something about it. And so, yeah, like, the violence is really striking when it's soldiers, you know, battling each other, when it's not even, physical, like, the, what's his name, Vidal, like, the guy, the main villain guy is, like, so, everything he does is violent. Like, his whole demeanor is violent, and everybody around him seems to be under this grip of his influence and just his, you know, constant, you know, adherence to this pride and this just sort of completely, I don't know, like, harsh.

manly like my father and I'm carrying around his death clock all the time so like yeah you get stuff that's in the fantasy realm that looks really cool and really beautiful and then you get this really intimate stuff with like the mother bleeding when you know she's about to give birth and all that there's so much and it really does it's fascinating because like there is really harsh gore and yet it doesn't feel like a super gory movie no no I absolutely agree and I think it's rather poetic that the world is so harsh and we do see these graphic things that she dies at the end or it's like, well, you're kind of released from all of this.

You didn't, it was really hard for her living there in the first place. I mean, it was so terribly sad when you see her hugging her mom and saying, please, can you take me away from this place? You know, I hate it here. And the next thing mom says is, you know, this world, you've got to grow up. like you don't understand yet that how harsh this world is. Yeah, and this is probably to some degree for your protection, even though it's a very harsh and probably very damaging place to be.

And so, yeah, there's tons of violence in other contexts. And so, yeah, then the more, or just like things like the eyeball. Like that is one of the most, you know, again, probably memorable, recognizable images that guy. Yeah, God. And, too, I guess we should also talk a little bit about the creature stuff, because there is a lot of paralleling or at least you can, without it being like a million percent obvious. You can draw

these parallels between the different creatures and people on screen and I love that you have this multiple layers of like there's the war happening, there's the kind of, there's what's happening inside the house of the people there who are trying

to resist from like literally within and giving you know information. And then you have this little girl who is going on both a fantastical journey, and, you know, finding keys and unlocking things and, you know, completing this ritual by the full moon. But you've also got her living beneath all of this really adult context and, like, sort of getting acquainted with it. And she's fighting a fight. You know, she's involved in this war scenario of sorts. But in the most personal level, just if you want to take the most

literal reading of just her as a little girl. Like, yeah, I feel like the fantasy stuff is her trying to cope with reality and, like, doing little things she can with what little she understands about what's going on to try and get out of and maybe alleviate some of the harsher aspects of this

situation. Yeah. And so, yeah, there's so much, like, violent context tied up in the drama, and the actors are all really terrific. And, like, the performances, the effects, like, everything. And it's, too, a movie, like, has tons of really elaborate and beautiful creature work and design. And yet that's not like most of the movie, you know?

And nothing feels like you didn't get enough or you got too much of it. And I really respect that they ended in a place as tragic and bittersweet as they did. And it's fascinating to me that this movie, I was sitting there in the middle going, you know what, for as like heavy as the context here is they're good at making it not feel too bleak. And then at that point it got very dark. very heavy and yet by the end that's not the main flate like

most wartime movies are movies where you're like I don't need to watch this again or I would watch it around like Memorial Day or something like that but not like I could watch this again in a whole different way and the heavy stuff is there but it's not like the main thing I associate

whereas like if you're thinking about like watching saving Private Ryan again or something you're like that's going to be a heavy yeah like this without being too saccharin is a beautiful fairy tale and a beautiful, like, real life coming of age, period, piece of sorts. Totally. And a bunch of other stuff. Jarvie, Marcel Mendez Santos.

Thank you for chiming in. Did it feel weird when you started watching and everything was spoken and told in Spanish? Even though you know Guillermo del Toro's other films are your normal films in English. How did you guys feel? I didn't feel any which way about it. I kind of liked it. It was just watching, like, sort of a foreign film. It's really good.

I watch stuff with subtitles, though, a lot. So, I honestly, I didn't even, I liked it because I'm trying to learn more Spanish. And I was trying to think, like, oh, which words do I recognize? I was sitting here thinking, how cool would it be eventually to get fluent enough that you could just watch the movie without some type? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really nice. Like, I love, especially for an international director and with a lot of success in Hollywood, I love stuff like this where it's, yeah, in maybe their native.

language or in a different language and I always you know I'll watch a lot of stuff with subtitles just so I make sure I catch all the details anyway but yeah I actually enjoy slipping into the world of a film in a different language and kind of the your brain goes into a different rhythm and it's kind of doing some different things at once and you're still drinking the imagery obviously especially in a movie like this but yeah the coordination kind of hums in a nice way for me so and I wouldn't have wanted those that the Spanish actors to be speaking with an accent in English.

I don't want that. You feel it so much because they're speaking in their native language. Yeah, and I think it improves the drive for you to be like, actually, you know, I want to come go and look at what this period in Spanish history would have been like, you know, under Franco and all that stuff, because the older I get the more, I'm like, I should go back and revisit world history now that I could probably appreciate it differently than just trying to collect facts for tests.

but yeah it's lovely to behold a film like this and to hear a different language and feel performance it changes the way you feel a performance it changes kind of your interaction with language and then at times you don't even notice and it's just all kind of coalescing like there are moments where you're like okay I got to remember a face and I'm reading this but no like I loved getting to see this glimpse into deltoa like I would love to see more of his films

in Spanish language and if they were like yeah his next movie is going to be all in Spanish I would be like hell yeah let's go yeah and I know that the problem with that is like well it won't be marketable to the states or whatever but yeah like I am happy this exists in this form and I wouldn't change it for

anybody fun facts and fun questions hi Tara and John Lauren G thank you for chiming in after seeing this what is your favorite Guillermo del Toro movie out of the ones you have seen Yeah, it's probably this one. This one and the shape of water, but this one goes first.

This one absolutely lives up to the hype in every way. And it's too, like I love a lot of his stuff. And I mean, you know, there's a lot of greatness in there. And, you know, you've seen a bunch of it here on the channel now. But yeah, this had a really, really wonderful, perfect, to me almost, I would argue, give it a couple days to settle in. But kind of perfect blend of, yeah, of grit and. story and filmmaking and imagination and it's also early-ish but also far enough along in his filmography that he's like confidently formed now and it's not fully like into something like

a hellboy territory which is adapted but it's like completely hog wild with del torro style this is very rich with that but it's also a great exercise in how he's not just indulging in that the whole time i thought this was yeah perfectly balanced so uh i don't know how i'd rank them and yeah shape of water like is absolutely a beautiful movie the hellboy stuff um other ones that i'm missing blade two uh and there's some earlier ones i got to see from him i still got to see nightmare alley but uh but yeah this absolutely i would say for right now is at the top lauren g question number two are you excited for frankenstein i live for gothic films absolutely i am cannot wait yes yeah yes I cannot wait to see his vision of that.

I want to see his Pinocchio as well. Andrew Laxton, how would you compare Doug Jones' performance in this compared to the Hellboy movies? Okay, so which ones was Doug Jones? He must have been the pale man, right? Is that the guy's name? Hellboy.

Oh, yeah. Hand Labyrinth, there we go. Yeah, I feel like he must have been the pale man with the eyes. He's so skinny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. super duper skinny, but I wonder if he maybe was also the fawn. Let's see.

So yeah, he was in focus. Every time you revisit Doug Jones's filmography, you're like, holy shit. Hellboy, okay. And then pads and libra, the faun and the pale man. He was both. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean, those are your, no, he's incredible. Like, and Pablo Aidan, Aidan, great voice work.

But, nah, his physicality is incredible. It's so much presence. and I have to imagine they had him on all kinds of crazy stilts. I don't know what they would have done for his tiny spindly legs as the pale man, but yeah, incredible performance, incredible job bringing those characters to life. And you don't look at them and go, it must be the same guy, you know. Right, yeah. Oh, goodness.

Oh, and he was the Silver Surfer. Yeah, I just saw that too. That's pretty cool. There you go. All right. Jay Rushden question, would you have eaten the grapes? And what did you think of the creature makeup? The creature makeup, amazing.

I said while we were watching it. All of the makeup in this is actually very phenomenal, mixed with the practical effects and some CGI. But it was like, CGI where you really couldn't tell. I was just in it. None of the CGI ever took me out. And you guys know I'm obsessed with practical, and they used a lot of that in here.

And no, I would have never touched anything on that table. I would have listened to the fun, absolutely. Why? Because my life depends. ended on it. Yeah, it's weird. I feel like the ending test is harder because you're right at the end. And he's like, no, no, just a pinprick isn't it going to be the bad?

And then you're like, yeah. And you're like, yeah, I can see the bargain of that where it's in the, in the, yeah, dining hall. You're like, no, dude, absolutely not. Skip it. And, like, you know, you know what this table looks like and you know the, what, how rottenness abundance is. Like, I do like the mirror of that, you know, to Vidal. But, but yeah, you got the creepy dude. he's got no eyes.

This is like, guys, got him on a platter. Like, no, no, no, no, just get the McGuffin and go. Totally. He stressed this to you. The fairies are like, seriously, don't. And you're like, get out of my face. It's like, yeah, I get it. I appreciated the mischief and the sort of like,

I think anybody who care about a grape. But I'm like, nah, that's the obvious test. That's the like, yeah, one grape. Of course, it's just one grape. You got to pay attention to the rules. Exactly. But the creature makeup. but yeah a plus and this has that Jurassic Park kind of blend where it's like there's definitely

CG at times in places but it's always even when I would notice it I was like yeah totally still looks dope this is appropriate place for that and clearly you didn't skimp on putting anything else in camera that you could get in camera so what like the plant baby when she put it back in the bowl and it had to move that became CGI it was seamless and it was great didn't take me out of it yeah and even little things like that like that Like, I love when you can tell an effect or you might notice a seam on an effect, but at the same time, it gives you an appreciation for the problem solving and the technique. Yeah.

So, yeah, A plus special effects. And I'm trying to think, did they win for best... Oh, wow, look at them. Go! Best cinematography, best international feature film, best original screenplay, best original score, best makeup and hair sign, best production design, best production design again. Yeah, I was going to say. if they didn't win for at minimum the makeup effects and the right

like this is truly an incredible piece of cinema as silly as that has become to say at times now like it's both the height of imagination but also like a really human piece so great Valerie Fisher Terran John I'm so excited

you're reacting to this movie I have never seen it and can't wait to watch it when you react my question is what was your favorite scene or character in the movie The little girl was brilliant. I was really hoping that it would be like, oh, that we saw her win, like, an award or something. Although I think I would already know it wouldn't be her because the youngest one to ever win was that blonde girl a few years back.

But anyway, regardless, I loved her. She was grounded, very believable. When she cried, it was happening. It was she was everything that this film needed. And obviously, he knows out of cast because everyone else was. was also at her level, but it is very hard to direct a girl at her age to like, you got to do some stuff to make him break down. I mean, she's just, she's a brilliant actress, and I'm glad that he casts the way that

he did. Yeah, yeah, she's incredible. That whole sequence from when she draws, I understand why you would bring that into a cinematography class to break down. When you go from her drawing the chalk door, opening it up, going down the hall, you see the big table, like that is a centerpiece moment of the, movie i think and it is an incredible sequence um i thought yeah ophelia was terrific mercedes i thought was really terrific um and the doctor too like i i those those three characters especially uh i thought

were really uh just wonderful to behold and their struggle uh and their you know just kind of desperate perseverance of relief from this tyranny is uh really tangible and palpable there's so many great scenes. I mean, it's harsh, obviously, but when she takes her revenge on him, Mercedes with the knife, that's my favorite scene. That is absolutely, I was screaming my head off. A cathartic moment, and it's not the solution

to everything. It's not like a superhero moment or some action movie moment, but it is very cathartic. And, too, I will say, like, that guy, that performer was that is such a hateable role. Yeah. And he never chewed up the scenery, in my opinion. No. And

and I bought the the guy underneath, even though I didn't agree with pretty much anything he was doing on screen, and just the way he commanded, you know, all that just rotten, angry power. Yeah, it was quite choice. But, yeah, you could go for days trying to figure out what the best moment in this movie is. There's some really good ones. Tapi, Shambettete. I hope I'm getting your name, Shimbentente.

I hope I'm somewhere in the neighborhood. One of my favorite movies, thank you for chiming in, and I hope you enjoyed our watch of it. What do you think of the score? Personally, one of my favorites, especially once you see the, quote, pearly gates at the end.

The tying around, I feel like it's at the beginning, it's like once in the middle, and then again at the end of the lullaby alone is super lovely, and then even in those suspense moments, like when she takes the grape, and it's like the fingers start to move

on the pale man. It's these, like, harsh, string and percussion stabs and stuff and then even the more sweeping sort of string-based romanticized orchestral stuff is like really wonderfully chosen

and I think this score is a good example of something that supports the work so well that you might not always be focusing on it but it does feel memorable and like it's really a vibrant and essential part

of the whole of all the arts that go into this movie particularly yeah i agree i think um you know this the sweeping sounds at the end it it sort of relieves us of seeing a child on screen dying um and i mean so does the ending but um i would agree that the music to me uh which i i do i do think should feel almost like subtle and like what your subconscious would actually enter into that movie if it was silent And that's how I feel this movie, that's what I feel they gave us with the music, is it's almost like our subconscious, if this was silent, that's what it would give us. It's not too overpowering.

It's not like, oh, my God, that one song, but it's subtle and really pushes forward the moments in the story in a way that's like, it's great. It feels like, oh, yeah, it's like perfect. and the homing is also very good but it's natural I think is what I'm trying to say it's just yeah I have subconscious natural it's great yeah it's like perfectly harmonized with everything around it so it's not

it's not obviously guiding your emotion but it does allow you while you're caught up in that emotion I would find myself then later on going oh man yeah here is really beautiful too exactly so I feel like that's ideal and hats off to the composer here they won they won for score too right i think yeah if these are the yeah best original score yeah uh good golly i think it was because

they have a 109 wins so hey that's what we that's that's that's we should all be so lucky yeah man all right sammy thank you for chiming in closing us out i hope you guys could check out labyrinth sometime jim henson and david bowie really make it magical and so do i understand as David Bowie's codpiece quite righteous in that movie I know I feel like I would have seen Labyrinth as a kid that in the never-ending story

are two things I probably saw as like a youth that people love that like culture certainly has like carried on from the 80s but I am definitely due for a rewatch because I only remember like the literal just image of David Bowie's hair and costume and that's kind of

all I remember I have not seen Labyrinth I would totally watch Yeah, and props to, I was going to say, I would love to know who was the effects house on Pan's Labyrinth because, you know, that'll be Jim Henson, obviously, with Labyrinth specifically. But, yeah, hats off to the effects team on this, to the, you know, makeup and the puppets and, you know, all the operators that that takes. David Marti Mons Rib was a makeup artist, and he had a team. Oh, wow. And the fawn was mostly latex foam, jeeps. I was going to say, that's like truly an extraordinary application of, I'm just sorry.

I'm like over, overwhelmed by like, this is the kind of stuff that when you finish and I'm like, I'm inspired to come up with something, go make a thing. Ah, yeah. But yeah, let's close it out. Let's see if there's any interesting trivia on this before we go. Okay. You're good at this. Oh, goodness. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, Germo Dutoro wrote the English subtitles himself. Wow. He no longer trusts translators after problems with previous subtitled movie. I was wondering that during this watch. Good job. Love that. Del Toro gave up his entire salary, including back-end points, to see this film become realized.

To this day, he believes it was worth it. I love it. Holy shit. That is a real one right there. That is a friggin' real one. Guillermo de Toro is famous for compiling books full of notes and drawings about his ideas before turning them into film, something he regards as essential to the process. He left years of notes for this film in the back of a cab.

And when he discovered them missing, he thought it was the end of the project. However, the cab driver found them and realizing their importance, tracked him down and returned them at great personal difficulty and expense. Del Toro was convinced that this was a blessing and it made him more determined to complete the film. That is sick. I hope that you tipped him thousands of dollars.

He took no payment for this because he was like, give it all to this guy. Yeah, right. Some cabby is rolling in Benjamin's now because he bought the Bible back. Good guy. Girmel Deltoro frequently refused offers from

Hollywood producers in spite of being offered double the budget provided the film was made in English. He didn't want any compromise in the storyline to suit the market needs. Good for you. And given the setting, That was the right choice. Stephen King attended the screening of the film and sat next to Guillermo Latoro.

According to Deltoro, King squirmed when the pale men chased Ophelia. Del Toro compared the experience of seeing King's reaction to winning an Oscar, which he eventually did with the shape of Agua. Did he not, he didn't win director for this, right? No, it just won best cinema. It just won a bunch of other stuff. It just won of all the other stuff, yeah. All right.

Let's see. Audiences have interpreted the film's bittersweet ending is everything from a religious metaphor to a psychological allegory. Giermo Dutoro said, quote, I always think of that beautiful quote by Soren Kierkegaard that says the tyrant's reign

ends with his death, but the martyr's reign starts with his death. Starts with his death. I think that is the essence of the movie. It's about living forever by choosing how you die. God! Wow. Yeah, because they're going to friggin' erase

that guy's memory from existence and she will probably, you know, at least by the ones that she loves. you know, that story will probably go down. Totally. Gierma Datoros compared the rebels in the forest to the woodsman in the Little Red Riding Hood, which there's also that. There's a lot of those like, yeah, riding hood or Alice in Wonderland or things like that.

In an interview, Germo Datoro hinted that the nameless soldiers who die in the woods, including the one shot through the hand by Vidal or the surviving children of the orphanage in the devil's backbone, which is another Gailma D'Otoro movie, confirms the idea that most of Germo Deltoro's films happen in the same universe. Love that. Yeah. Love it. Goodness gracious. me. I love this film. I love watching it. I mean, 10 out of 10. Everything was great. Acting, special effects, practical effects, the script. I'm glad that he wrote his own

subtitles for it. I would say I put this at the top of my list for Guillermo, like, bravo, dude. Braffickin-O. And you know what? The fact that you gave up your salary, it was 110% worth it. And I'm really glad that we got this gift of cinema. This is one of those movies, yeah, where I love a lot of different kinds of movies and not every movie has to be this. But sometimes you watch a movie and you're like, that's a living piece of art. You should just grab a print of it and put it in a case in a museum because this is just, yeah, like to me, one example of the full extent that cinema can be and movies and all the art, you know, all the crafts and arts that go into making something like this, clearly this was the results of so much passion, so much planning, and so much happenstance. And this is one of those moments where

yeah, it's like the film itself is beautiful and then you read a little bit more about it and you're like, wow, what a lovely thing to exist alongside in a strange and difficult world. Yeah. I am inspired. I hope you guys had a good time here and yeah, thanks for joining us. We

will catch you for whatever's next and don't eat the friggin grapes. Don't. One job to do. Mew!