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More on them in just a bit. Prime Eagles of the Reject Nation. We are back one more time for one last ride. It's time for Peacemaker. Season 2, episode 8, the finale, the Thick Boy, the epically long conclusion to this lovely second season. We've had, guys, one last ride. How you feeling, Roxanne?

Feeling okay. Jennifer Holland tweeted today that this might be her last time ever as hardcore. I don't know if that was to throw us all off or what, but that's on my mind heavy right now. So when you say one last time here, I don't want to hear that, John. I want to hear we're here forever. Can't be saying goodbye to no hardcore. G. How are you feeling today? I'm feeling pretty good right now. I'm excited. If you guys haven't seen Koi's interview with David Denman, you guys should go check that out. He did a great job on that. Yeah, it's been a fun ride, and I'm really excited for this. I'm happy to see the runtime be this long.

I think they're going to be a good episode. It's over an hour somewhere there. So I'm excited to see what we got in store. And there's been a fun journey to do with the both of you. So, yeah, I'm ready to kick. How are you doing? Thank you. I'm feeling good today.

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Peace Be With You, Design. It's a good time. Also helps to counteract all the copyright and age restriction stuff. We got a good community. And that's what we like. like is good people and speaking of good people chris smith is trying to be one let's see if he sticks the landing in episode eight what are you doing flashback in that maybe but ads could have figured a way around it other than outing wall or on tv she's just trying to help what are you doing making art it you know you never really struck me as the artistic time well i've never There's like no white people in the back.

Oh, it's a perfect world. What is your face? It's a box with two dots. Oh, this must be the night they slept together, or whatever, happened on that boat. Hey, you know this song? You think I know this song, Chris. Sorry, I forgot. You were too busy assembling automatic weapons behind your back.

I wanted to see her having fun. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Because I don't want to be the one to send you away. Belt it, my man. Someday you're going to be someone special, wow. Oh, my gosh.

Got it. Why are you so embarrassed about being someone special, hardcore? I am no one special, okay? Believe me. I think you are. I do too. For real. I don't want to be anyone special, okay?

I just, I want my job back and adds that up. And you're definitely special because you have a box head. Oh, yeah. Thank you so much. They're gonna get wasted right now. You're gonna get on that boat. But the romance was happening before the drinking. Let's dance.

I didn't know Big Belly had so much booze and the DCCW TV shows. We did not. Ah, man, this ain't your grandpappy's DC universe. You're right, you right. Aw, they're so sweet together. Yes. absolutely it's rigging on the job

some random guy ran up to hug him oh no oh no what was that oh no all right geez i was you a cop oh oh mama taught me to be proud of my freckles okay girl whoa yeah but we're cool but i'm sorry bro he's a brick house get inside okay bro he is that is like how johnsey and it would handle that in real life yeah i'm protecting me no i'm protecting him come on good night right look at the moon look at the stars go get on a boat you're gonna give all this shit up to go beat up some fucking loser whose mom might i had taught him

to be proud of his freckles Okay? Yeah, okay. Okay. Jesus. I feel like we just wins the miracle. Yeah. Dude, he made peace.

He actually made peace. Good catch. See, he's more observant than last week gave him credit for, though. He's got an EQ. I just hated winning you were right. God, I'm glad we came. I can't believe I've never been down here. It's a rom-com, guys.

what oh my god what park or we have to go no please please are the most underrated ever oh no crab joy show so on come on rock international superstars nelson most underrated ever I'm sad this is our last intro like this that was such a sweet opening brought it back to the heart I full-blown love this intro. Yeah. That shuffle, eagerly. There's definitely Robert Patrick in the suit there. Ah, okay.

Ah, okay. Dang. Paul Nelson. I wanted to stay where we were. Good with everyone? Yep, those are the names. No, I don't want to say cop has bird blindness. Why?

The reason's important you, Derwitz. That's just unusual for prisoners to deny visitors, that's all? Maybe because I'm the angel of fucking death. Okay, maybe that's it. Dude, badass brooding. Okay. We got the friggin' death angel here, huh? Get a load of this guy.

Door 28? Locked. Door 4. Locked. What does Flag want us to find in here? Don't know. You won't say. No.

This take is so far beyond anything we know terrestrial. It's bananas. Yeah. We're gonna find what we need in there. I really believe it. What we need. Even this close. As soon as they walk through that doorway, voice contact's gone and their GPS trackers pop out of range.

Seems kind of fucking reckless, actually. You know, your attitude's a little fucking reckless. Your boyfriend's a dickhead. He's not my boyfriend. He's not your boyfriend. Now, this stripper is not exactly a looker. You know what I'm saying, Blondie. Oh, my God.

You know, they record this shit, right? Well, that's great, man. You know, Blondie can enjoy it now, and who's ever listening can enjoy it later. And then she grabs his face, and she puts it right between those big, ginormous f***s of hers. Oh, my God, dude. He starts motorboating those bitches.

Hardcore, well, you tell him to shut the fuck up about this. Dude, it exists in the DCU. Uh-huh. And I'm thinking, did he just jizzing his pants? He just got quiet. I wonder if it's going to be relevant that they're recording. I changed my mind. I want to go back in time and not hear it.

Dude, we can do that here. Team three, door 22. Like old-timey divers or something. Everything good. Everything's good. Oh, Otis is back. Oh, shit. It's got an Otis pop.

Otis is in prison. Door 22 unlocked. Door 22 is unlocked. Fuck yes. Uh-oh. How are you cataloging these doors? What are we about to walk into? Wow.

Follow the yellow brick road. Candy land. We're heading into Door 22. Hold off on the other doors. God damn. There's going to be something cute. That is vicious. Or is it like a land filled with giant chills?

It does look like the board game. Temperature is 49 degrees Fahrenheit. 79% humidity. Candy cane forest. What's her name? Lollipop. Gravity is commissurate with Earth. Oh, yeah.

I was just looking up all these characters. Queen Frostyne and... There's that cute thing. That's going to be vicious. Oh, shit. What are they going to be? Little tooth fairies? Yeah. Oh, it says guys.

Yep, there it is to do it. It's the little guys. guys they get become the big guys is the same creature it looks like it does look like um yeah oh my god they're like a little ants if ants were like those little guys from galaxy quest the nickname came back oh yeah definitely impish no they kept the door unlocked for a They were ready for that moment. Does it have an actual, do we see its thing? I didn't see.

Oh, it's like scoring points. The lollipop chainsaw universe. I don't think they're the same creature. Yeah, now I don't think so either. Oh, no. Is oxygen inhabitable? Oh, God. god dude go Judo master go to work oh my god close the door all right wow anytime

you go to a cute world so it's a cute little creature that is my god damn his face is demolished Huh? Face got eaten off by nightmare shit. Nightmare shit. What are you sending us into? Well, I thought we were doing this to prevent some kind of metropolis rift. I mean, we are blindly going into these universes with technologies and physics that are...

What are you looking for? Different than our own. Flag? He's running everything past his new BFF Lex Luthor of all people. Did you know that? Yeah. I mean, how the people are fucking working with us work for Luther. I know.

It's a crack team. I mean, do we even know what we're looking for? They told us a million times, John. Someplace, safe to breathe with a food and water supply. Oh. Mars. I don't know what it's for. Environmental reasons, I guess.

Resources, new ground for overpopulation. Definitely something. When is anything we've ever done actually been for the good of the people? Exactly. No, it's for the good of the lack of. people. Here he is. Oh, you're looking for Egli.

He's been depressed since Peacemaker went to jail. Keeps hiding. Oh. Chris hasn't let you visit him yet, has he? No. I'm afraid seeing his brother almost killed in front of him again. Like f***ed him up on an elemental level. I'm gonna get some lunch to me to try and lure Eagley out of there.

Hmm? Christ, Mom, get off my ass. I thought I told you I needed some fucking privacy. I wonder if this is the other Adrian. But your friend is here. Lee is her name we call her ads or adabaya why can't you get the most simplest shit right it's okay you can call me Lee my wife calls me Lee well I guess if you guys give each other then you can call her Lee wow amazing amazing line flawless logic you okay yeah just

getting really far on Princess Pete show time yeah got that OLED switch yeah well could you put it down for a second so we can talk pass the gushers We gotta help Chris. He's fucking broken. Peacemaker doesn't break ads. This is all part of some larger plan, I'm sure. So don't, don't say that. You're in denial, homie. He's got a court date in three months, and he needs a lawyer.

He's already got a lawyer. His name is Jeff, and he smells like peppermint schnapps and baby powder. Jeff is a public defender, and I think he has some private demons that he needs to be dealing with. Okay. We need the money down here to hire a capable lawyer. This is blood money. It comes from drug dealers and gangsters and human. traffickers it was blood money but now it's just money yeah what you assign it to look if

you want to help peacemaker get out you should do a prison break we're not doing a prison break but blood money's not okay what part of you thinks you're one of the good guys all parts of me we're not doing okay so then it's back to breakout that's the one i wanted to do anyway so no take the money just take it i guess i'm just really disappointed why i guess i'm just better friends with Chris than you, that's all. What is? Go, Quinn. He's very sure that says no justice.

I'm willing to possibly take on a blood curse to help Chris, and you're just not. Oh, I would totally take on a blood curse for him. I would just rather kill a judge's family. I've just overestimated the depth of your friendship, I guess. Hit him around where it hurts. Take something bad and make something good out of it. Yeah, that's is always right. Okay, while we're doing this, why don't you at least quiz me on Mantraise?

no man to me's blanket in spanish i don't care about manorais i don't think that's true you know what else is a miracle your mother and you need to treat a better here here hey angel of death you're free to go oh no he made bail uh leata ab abdabado babadeo just giving the money back it's not how it works what you think this holiday and get out of here John we're gonna go I'm leaving town where you gonna go so you just let him go what was I gonna do tackle him yeah of course dude what the fuck is wrong with you I went by his house it was cleared out he wasn't there can't you track him with that chip in his head John and I have had our clearance with anything peacemaker related rescinded so no oh wow I acknowledge that whoa wow it's the

interstellar universe like similar to like that black hole in Superman yeah you go looks promising oh i got a bad just for eager yeah what's up with her she wants him to be her boyfriend she's got cybernetic augmentation yeah they're just i don't know but not cybernetic feeling god this is a costly mission yeah when they said tens of millions i mean come on and they're just having a ball up there it's like rick flags becoming a straight-up bad guy yeah because lex is rubbing off on him and oh literally lex is the billionaires controlling the government right now Disgusting. Oh, no.

The Smallville universe. There's supposed to be some crazy cameo this episode. Maybe it's Tom Well. Oh, did they say that? No. I would love a Michael Rosenbaum cameo. He's already in the Superman movie. No, what's going to go wrong?

We're still in montage mode. This is it. We got it. Got what exactly, General? I'm sorry I mean Rick what do you Rick just Rick oh he's totally changed what's it for this is great work Amelia really great work we'll take it from here yeah what's the work what's it what's it's it saying we call the planet salvation and while Bordeaux here and her team found the location Otis here and his team discovered a way to contract the journey

so we can move directly oh it's the same board row from Superman that's where we build the prison no mr. secretary salvation is the prison Oh, is it like for metahumans? We could move the doorway every time we come in and out. The prisoners never know where we're coming from. And nobody can ever come back. Wow. We're talking just metahumans, right?

Yeah, because that's what Lex said he wanted to get rid of. I'm still dealing with it from a legal standpoint. What happened to you, Rick? Okay, so I'm looking at a planet with a lot of natural resources, moderate temperatures, seas, lakes. This doesn't exactly sound like a punishment. Yeah, the Doom universe. What I care about is removing dangerous. individuals from our fucking planet forever no one will escape salvation i promise the irony of calling it

salvation you've come a long way from lambasting luthal in this room a month ago really to now being the one to proactively implement his plans i do not like the guy but he is the smartest man in the world you are the guy why not use his brain to make our world a better place no man throw it into mount D-Doom. Brainiac. You're creating kingdom come there with that planet, though, man. Well, this is quite a plan. She's nervous she's going to go there or what, I can't read her. Yeah, you come in a dinner?

No, I think I'm going to call her an early night. Okay. Well, I'll see you later then, maybe, yeah? Maybe. Maybe. No. He just seems like a totally different guy right now. He's been invited into the club.

Yep. Wow. What is she going to say? What? Where it all began. Also a month ago. But if they ran up a bunch of metahumans, you probably would get a lot of cameos.

So you want it to happen. The end of the episode, the 10-minute cameo sequence of them imprisoning and hauling off the greater D.C. I'll get something to it if you're hungry. I hear this place is good. Yeah, it's good.

It's great. Okay, listen, I know we didn't start off on the rifle. Uh-huh. But I've seen you out in the field, and I really respect your work. She just wants you to get to the point. It's a fucking prison. What?

That's what the planet is for. Brick plans on sending metahuman prisoners there. Some place they can't get back from forever. Damn, dude. That's probably what we would do if we discover this technology. John tried to tell me it wasn't for resources. No, it's everyone. Our friends died for a fucking...

Pushing. Yeah. What are we gonna do? Wasn't our choice. Yeah, but they used us. They used Peacemaker. So did we. Mm-hmm.

We're all complicit. Sort of to think that maybe I shouldn't be spending my life serving this broken system anymore. Whoa. This is what we do. Try living without it for two years like I did. You find that out. What else are you gonna do? Something that's not this.

You're gonna get sent there. I'm thinking. thinking what i think you should meet a friend of mine oh she has ideas huh you're an honorary 11th street kid now where the hell are we going with us we've got the right to choose it there is no and lose it what an interesting version this is our song We'll fight the POWs that be just... Girl power. We're not going to take it.

No. We ain't going to take it. Having a mattress on the floor. We've got to get it. I love how it all starts with something just so simple. Yeah. Little apartment here. What's in there.

What got stashed. oh the cruise oh may 22nd i wonder if that date is relevant to somebody creator peacemaker's birthday yeah you're just thinking that usually it's something like that you know you guys saw robert patrick the code that he uses is about his his uh motorcycle gang oh that's fun oh really yeah he got to pick it we're gonna a song of our 2010 album lightning strikes twice Okay, let's hear it. The music and lyrics have been such a dialogue of this episode. Ooh.

For days and four years, I shrug down. Pretty good. She's got a lightness to her that's like the other, the Earth X version of her here. I call out your name just to feel you a brown. Oh, man. This is, this is Chris's theme song. We're thinking of Harcourt. Yep.

This is the theme song. Do, like, this older school, like, you know, shows used to do this, just have a musical guest in the song plays. I mean, like, this. Chris in hardcore's this whole. whole susan them and try and just get back to each other the entire time stop leaving savings behind at the pump get up to seven cents per liter in value every time you fill up at petro canada that's three cents per liter in instant savings plus 20% more points when you link an eligible rbc card

to your petro points find out more at rbc.com slash petro dash canada conditions apply It's like in the intro. It's like in the dance. There it is. Yeah. Oh. This is so romantic. The way they talked about it

and made it sound like it was like a random hookup night. Oh. I know he's talking about it. he's talking about it clearly meant a lot to him i get why oh that's sad so brief i guess i just didn't realize how romantic of a night it was totally and that's why they showed us do you have peacemaker clearance oh that's right you wanted to talk yeah i want to care more about this right but we have so much other stuff to deal with. Peacemaker's barely been in the episode.

Yeah. And like I love ads so much, but just like time and place. Yeah, I agree. No, we've got like two more hours of this episode. I know you know that my consulting firm hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire. Right? We didn't start the fire. It's a ground effort, and I think we might have got the finances to back it up. A business?

Kind of. if you think getting a paycheck is going to convince me to take you back. I don't. I'm here to just let you go. That's hard. But sometimes things take a turn. Sometimes you find something true about yourself that leads you to some place you didn't even know you were going to go.

Here, here. That's very true. But it's about building a life together where both partners can be happy. Make each other stronger and then you burn brighter, because of it and i know if i have the life that i want it will kill you oh that's oh that's and if you have the life that you want i'm gonna feel trapped i know we ain't for each other damn i know that too lee damn is one of most real scenes yeah it is they're doing a great job and like ads needs this moment it's just we haven't spent much time in it during the season

yeah exactly maybe like three episodes ago i would have been like yeah i kind of like forgot about them but it's a well-acted yeah really yeah isolated it's really good really good yeah no doubt short film a plus they've got a lot of good chemistry so much of how this episode's playing out as how i feel like the vibe ought to have been for a a little bit more of the season like this breathing room and pacing hey hap what's up hap what did you watch the prawns game last night there was no game last night fuck you man i didn't ask you did i i asked haperson did you did you watch the game uh you think haperson watches football if he doesn't he should have started last night because it was a good

game it didn't happen what is he trying to do right now cause a diversion Yeah. God and Jesus and the holy ghost like me. Keep going. They like all of you, including you, you dump. Oh, wow. What the fuck am I supposed to do? I'm choking.

I don't know, man. Tell me, I think what you're doing is working, right? Yeah, just keep the fucking distract. Did you guys hear about the lobster that went into a bar? I bet this part's non-scripted and they just made him do it. They can live long, they live long like tortoises. They're supposed to be. mortal but they die because their shells stop growing and a little vigilante you that's just the fact

they get crushed by their own exoskeleton that is crazy that's where five david courts i can't call ads i hope that's the postcard it i want to see him stumble more hey chris sorry ads i got to go oh fuck dude everybody stop okay i'm leaving town there's nothing to get oh my god holy shit we're not oh my god oh my god obsessed what are you doing man got him just let it go we're not letting it go chris you're one of us the 11th street kids you told us yourself in em's roof no one will ever break us apart Yeah, man. I should have never included myself now.

What? Dude, we're just trying to figure out what's going on because you're being weird. He's grieving. Where's Richelanti? I just look at the big picture. We're trying to figure that out, Chris. Seriously? Uh-huh.

I'm fucking cursed. What? Look at me. We are looking at you. You're not looking at the big fucking picture, okay? There he is. I killed my own fucking father. I get to go to an alternative dimension and what's the first thing I do.

I get my fucking self. You missed a pretty big picture over there. Glory B. fucking kill them too this stupid shit fuck off ass don't tell me it's stupid all right everybody around me fucking die chris jeez your father told you to fight your brother you did waller told you to kill rick and you did and you knew you shouldn't have gone to that other world damn don't tell me you thought in your heart that was the right thing to do go ads but when you are truly who you are Chris Smith what happens Chris what happens man this is like a continued conversation that she was just having be yourself you touch people man I believe in miracles because of you yeah I know who I am because of you and when I'm around you I feel loved

I'm a beautiful damn dude I know you love me and I don't know if I can say that about anybody else in this world oh no I don't want to do cool shit without you Man loves you so much He put his self on the line Countless times for you And he's like the biggest coward Who ever existed Facts But we need

We need Harcourt Yeah stay at Harcourt We're tied You and I All of us And we have all been listening To someone else To Waller

To Flag To Argus Luther by proxy Fuck that We're gonna do something Chris They've got the money For the world We're going to stand the fuck up.

Let's go. With us, we need you. You're going to let us down. Got to make some peace. This is how we could liberate the other earth that we left. We just found a whole new earth. We can just send all the Nazis there. Just thinking of what we can do together.

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The boat. Oh, my God, the boat again. Did it mean something? Come on. I'm not right in the head. Oh, Amelia, I'm not asking for anything. I just want to know if it meant something to you at all. Just say it. Come on. Show him the ticket. Is it in your pocket? Of course it did. Yeah, there we go. Asshole, it meant everything. The exact way she would say it.

It meant everything. Oh, switch that lens. Go. I love her. Go after it. Go to her. It meant everything. It meant everything. Come on, dude.

He needed that. Yeah, man. That's enough. Do your dance. Smile. Chris's heart grew three sizes that day. Do the dance, baby. Yeah.

That's what love does. Foxy Shazam. Okay. Sam, I'm stoked for that band. Let's use more of the blood money. It feels like they're ending this series. I am I feel like he's been out here saying the future is uncertain for peacemaker the show others this is the business they're starting yeah oh it's like Rick flagged shirt oh she was so good this episode dude yeah daniel brooks is a star like magic two most important women is life

Hell, yeah. Giro Master, too. Yeah, Drew Master. Hell, yeah. They join them, all right. Guto Master definitely belongs. Let's go, squad. The 11th Street kids will return as whatever this organization is called.

My body's on fire right now. Every hair is standing up. Okay, you ready? Yeah. All right. Can spiders fly? No. He's quizzing him.

Yes, they can. What? Yeah. They can make milk? Do they have others? How do they do that? They have little tiny udders, yeah, definitely. Definitely.

What is the site? You can buy spider milk, you know that, right? What? Where? Whole Foods. I know everything there is to know about spiders. Can spiders regrow lost legs? I don't think so.

Yes. You're right. Many spiders have the ability to regrow a lost leg during their molting process. Oh. What is the molting process? That's when, like, lava comes out of a, uh, volcano and it melts yeah nailed it yeah nailed it molten exo-carcass go

foxy shazam no they love each other because they're a band where amelia and Chris oh he's clipping his talons how far they've gone he's hugging him oh thanks buddy oh it means so much to him where are they yeah it's fun to watch people be happy making the world better what's this what's it called checkmate oh i love them so much oh no what's the other shoes oh yeah yeah damn are they gonna send him to the other universe i wonder test subject one also what about where's his brother keith and what's going on with

rick i have so many questions right now Lex have him are we about to see Superman we'll take you from here boys flag oh shit your first prisoner he's gonna throw him in there oh my god wow savage you got said flagged earth X oh no now we're doing another lineup walk this time it's not cool who else is gonna be in there oh this is messed up Dude. Wow. What fuck is this?

They didn't have time to tell you about this? Before we move all the metahuman prisoners here, I thought a little due diligence is required. See what effect this dimension has on the human body. Wow. I want to thank you for volunteering. I didn't volunteer for shit. What an asshole.

McCoy. No. It's all here. This is definitely Christopher. smith signature yeah oh dude dive through that door and tackle him this is for Ricky you piece of shit wow you were motivated by revenge after all whoa damn more like dick flags wow good one John way to go buddy I'm charging that one up the whole show you thinking about that the whole episode

Oh man. We have no idea what tear. Yeah, it's just complete isolation. When we cut back, he's gonna have like a giant beard and he's gonna be living in the woods. Preachers. Dude, he's in the Predator World. Where's the yautcha? What?

Wow. Wow. And no announcement about season three yet. I wonder if there's some kind of like post-credit scene can't like if the post-credits is an actual scene that sets up man of tomorrow that could be i mean james gun said there would be a really big cameo in the last episode that wasn't superman i wonder if they're going to think that he left the 11 street kids like what after all that where he go when did james gun say that yeah when did he say that I don't know this quote at all.

I'd have to double check it. That is what I had seen a couple of times and lead up to this. I heard there'd be like crazy cameos in the season, but that was before the season started airing. Yeah, I thought Lex was the crazy cameo, but I am kind of curious now. What meta could we put in there that might be relevant? I mean, you know, I haven't obviously gone through the entire file,

but have you guys thought about just as a failsafe of vaporizing barrier? The whole plan or a section? Like a bug zappa for MetaHumans, aliens, and other pieces of trash. Are you breaking this up? Are you making this shit up? No, no. She knows he's there. Oh. Interesting.

No, that was from the... The Massachusetts truck driver. Did you guys hear about that guy? He picked up a hitchhiker. Why wouldn't he? Oh, yeah, that was from earlier. Anyway, he picked her up. But he made her ride in the back of the truck, and you're like, that's weird.

Until Colorado, a cop pulls him over... and he opens it and it's full of dead bodies the cop was like hey man you can't do this he's like I got a permit and he showed it to him I guess you're legit Looks like someone's got a new fan. Thank you. Are we done yet? This is so strange. Whoa.

What a cameo that was. Thoughts. I got thoughts. So many things. I'm sure we all have thoughts. I didn't think once. But if you guys have thoughts, stay tuned. We'll all talk about all the thoughts.

John, you really hyped up the crazy cameo. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, what is John talking about? That's what I'll, I will check. I will double check, but that's what James got. I read said I don't know John it's okay I don't know I don't know I need to think about it all right Julian it's a hungry world and we are hungry first and foremost to say a big

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was this striking you in the moments after completing the episode you got this gregg all right i'll go first this was a very emotional season of television and i appreciate that first and foremost over everything else this season i think there's a lot of stuff to discuss or at least to debate in terms of the nuts and bolts and the plotting and the world building and what the focus really truly was but i will say that across the board and certainly in this episode the acting has been top-notch and there has been a lot of lovely writing in the character personal emotive department i feel like the strongest writing in this season has just been lifey interpersonal stuff uh this episode moved me to tears a couple times out of bio uh you know

breaking up with kea super candid scenes super like lived like god damn you're just writing the harshest realist you know life experience and giving it to these characters but it's something universal um all this stuff with like chris and harcord and does it mean anything that we went to this you know lovely night together out on this boat and saw this obscure swedish band i like or wherever they were from all that stuff is great uh as like you know a comic book show sequel that excites me in one way because it's not exactly the thing you expect but at the same time i know there's a lot of stuff that we expect and we desire in terms of DC mumbo jumbo juju and otherwise and I think that's yeah where the the curiosities will arise and now I assume you guys have had some time to warm up

Roxanne I was listening Roxanne how do you feel I I didn't say you got this Greg because I wasn't ready to talk I just was be trying to be supportive I actually I actually have thoughts and feelings that I I'm ready for But yours are awesome. Oh, thanks, rocks. I think that it's so, I love this show and I loved season two of this show, despite knowing that, okay, like, okay, here's how I want to phrase this. And I need you guys to know, I'm so grateful that I was brought along for this journey.

And I love doing this with you guys. But I actually think I like it less talking about it. Like, I think that I might have preferred this show if I was watching it at home because there's a lot of flaws. with it. And it's one of those things where the more I think about some of the things that we put out there, the more I'm like, you guys introduced a lot of things and you promised a lot of things. And I don't feel like you fulfilled all of your promises. Despite me really enjoying everything you did put in front of me, you introduced these big concepts that I feel like we kind of pivoted from or ditched relatively quickly or moved back from after I'd already kind of

forgotten about it or not cared about it anymore. So I think it's so fascinating that while, like, Tara was here before and she said to me, oh, I didn't know Peacemaker season two is out. She said, I watched all season one. Should I watch season two? And I said, yeah, I love season two. And then I was like, but there's a lot of flaws with it.

And I would recommend it, but I don't know if the boys fully would. Actually, I think they would. Like, I felt like I was having to qualify a lot of things. So it's kind of interesting. But overall, I feel like this was a part of a DC machine more so than it was a season of television. I think that this was like we are, this is the DC universe, here are more of our players, here are other places we might go, here are people that you might see, and here are concepts that might be explored in the DCU moving forward, as opposed to this was an isolated season two of a TV show. which at some point looking back we might be like oh that was effing awesome more so than i'm feeling right now why did you say you don't like i was a little bit confused on why you said you don't like

why you would like it more if you weren't talking about it yeah not because i didn't want it to sound like it's because i love watching it with you guys but sometimes you ever watch a show at home and then you finish the show and then you go and cook dinner and go to sleep and you don't think that much about it you're not in your you're not in your critical right like i'm just like sitting and watching a show and being like That was awesome because there's a lot of awesome shit. Like there's great characters and I'm a lover, love or love shippers ships, all the hardcore Chris stuff. I was like, yeah, the makeout scenes, let's go.

And I think that if I wasn't actually thinking about, but what kind of show is this and what does this mean? Then I might just be like, that show rocked. But now when I'm sitting with you guys and maybe I'll feel one of you guys kind of have like a, about something and then I'm like, oh, you're kind of right. That wasn't an ideal. moment um so that that's kind of what i mean if that makes sense yeah yeah yeah sorry no no no i

okay yeah that makes a lot of sense actually and i i i think i would more than likely echo that sentiment now that i understand what you mean i feel like i would probably be in the same boat john you resemble the audience best here right now for sure well yeah for sure i i'm choosing to to kind of go with the idea that it depends heavily on which lens you want to look at this through i am most enthused about this through the lens of like i like all the 11th street kids and this is clearly mostly focused on their emotional journeys awesome as like a functioning part of the dc machine i'm i don't know quite what this amounts well i don't i'm not even sure on each lane that it fully succeeds in each one of those departments i think the acting can supersede

like there would be writing scenes where I feel like it's isolated so well I think the scene between ads and wife yeah yeah I heard key but I don't know I think ads and her is probably the best representation of that of this is actually a well-written scene and this is a beautifully acted moment but I am not quite connecting with this as much as I'd like to because there's at the end of the day it is a scene within a show with a larger narrative and it's not like where's my DC shit it's not even coming down to that it's it's more that this was not really something that I feel like had the proper attention throughout the season for me to give to care of as much about it even though it's a strong scene I could logically discern that but I also got to be honest with myself and go I don't really feel like I feel as much for this as I'd like to feel just because of how the over that's what I mean by I don't even feel like sometimes the emotional part is quite paying off as strong because I think a lot of those intentionalities and what you're speaking about John I think a lot of audiences definitely feel that I mean even last week you know I won't speak for your guys's opinion even though I know we shared a lot of similar ones but on my on my end I was pretty critical about a lot of stuff and you know the audience it would seem even a

like fucking x which is known for being so volatile was like this rocks you know everyone was so in love with i'm like all right maybe i'm just like not in that camp anymore um that's feeling feeling fully aligned with the way the audience is feeling and i think this might be another example of that where i think the like acting is great the emotional moments are great i love the scenes with like hardcore and and and chris in the beginning fleshing out that moment that led there i feel like narratively like there's like there's A lot of things, I'm not going to say not everything was well constructed throughout the season. I think a lot of it was.

But ultimately, by the time we get to this finale, I think there are things that they do build up to. I think there are, as a season of television, you are building up to stuff. And then payoffs, I feel like kind of undermined it. At the end of the day, seven of these episodes were really revolving around what is this other multiversal planet, you know? And like a lot of, even if there was, him going there, there was like the attention there. And I really expressed how I felt about how that ultimately landed. And then the setup of this multiversal stuff with the doors and everything, like, I don't know. I don't feel like I needed to really necessarily hop around the world, even though that would, that shirt, that would have been fun.

I guess I'm still processing. I'm with you, Greg, on that. Like, this is what's really weird about this. I care about every one of the 11th Street kids. Like, I genuinely love the characters, and I care about all of their relationships with each other. So in any of the moments in which we have ads talking to Chris, like trying to convince him he matters and he has a place in their relationship, or Amelia finally saying, you know, it meant everything to me, or even economists, like, standing up for, and being there for him and being convinced to be there. or vigilante, even tasering him, like, anything to do with them with each other, I'm so all in. I love this crew, and I love them together.

It's some of the other surrounding things, like, unfortunately, ads in her wife, where I was like, I don't know whether this was on purpose or not because we were about to ditch her, but I completely forgot that this was a storyline that we were going to come back to. So, like, while I'm like, Danielle Brooks has the best, I think this was her best performance yet. Like she, and she's phenomenal. She absolutely knocked this episode out of the park. That being said, it was so crazy to spend three minutes of this episode on something that I was like, and?

And that's so not right, because if you had asked me episode one of this season, I cared a lot about their relationship. And I wanted to know where it was going to go. But just by this point, I didn't care anymore. So when we kind of deviated anything that isn't our crew, I it was a little more difficult even like things like vigilante and his mom yeah even though it's funny I'm like I only really care about our people yes I'm very much aligned with you honestly because the when it gets to the friend invention when they're all talking to him as I guess my feelings overall with some of the stuff is that just because there are some really great scenes does not make up for the lack of journey in to some of these great scenes and like vigilante for example adrian i didn't really feel like him and chris the friendship throughout this season at all honestly like i didn't really get ads interview i'm like i didn't really get much of a sense of that either outside of like if i really

rack my brain maybe there's like a scene or two that i can find that that kind of spotlights us i think hardcore chris was the thing they nailed yes that is like yes You nailed that shit. Nailed it, yeah. Like I, I love, I like the scene in the friend mention a lot is I feel like that's what the whole episode, the whole season's actually about, right? Is he's looking for this other family. He's looking for identity there when really it was all here in front of him the entire time. Like that's the point of what they're saying.

The found family thing that James Gunn's really good about and Chris finally accepting and realizing this is what he has. I don't feel like, I think there was a lot of other. focuses that were just really intercepting a lot of that emotional journey to the point where I'm like, well, you can't just like suddenly make it all about the phenomenon. But here's what I think. I think a lot of people are not going to be agreeing with me on that at all. I feel like most people are probably I saw it with last week's episode. I didn't see that. So I what happened last week? Everybody just loved, love, love. Everyone loved it. And they were especially highlighting like, seen as performance when Keith was dying or he was like, no, I fucking remember everything. It was phenomenal. Like I can look at

then and go that is yes amazing acting it's a great moment but i didn't really see him and keith bond so i don't really feel much here you know like it's it's stuff like and that's kind of what i feel with a lot of this uh season in particular is sometimes you highlight a great scene but there's this journey here that i don't feel like i was really on board for and and then you have my attention kind of zigzagging around a lot of stuff so yeah that's uh that's that's the main thing because yeah i'm more like i'm like a seven six six point five to seven out of ten i would probably summarize that being in koi's interview with uh david denman they actually talked a little bit about this um i know you guys have both seen it where david denman talks

about how he spent spent very little time with john sina um and i kind of thought that interesting because he was saying you know like john sina told me a little bit about like some wrestling stuff but he was like i i really spent i don't know him at all and I spent very little time with him. And I didn't think about that as much an offset as I did on. And I think what you're feeling, Greg, there, was that they actually weren't on screen all that much together. No, no.

We didn't have that many scenes. And then the scene that he is potentially dying was so brilliant. But a lot of the buildup was not necessarily there, maybe because of the 30-minute episodes. Sorry, John, I ran over you for a second. No, no, no. I mean, I've been absorbing everything you guys have been saying. I agree with most everything as well. Like, it's, I, I like, I like in a typical plot structure.

Yes, I like, again, a situation like this where, you know, you have all these exploitable elements and someone is choosing to clearly wants to prioritize emotional dynamics. But the thing I think the season had, I wouldn't say it was lacking the entire time or didn't have any dynamics, but it had like really weird dynamics because like the flow and again we've talked about like how would this fare as a binge versus a week to week but like there's something about the

there are a lot of great scenes and a lot of great moments and they make sense in a line to a degree but this yeah I had a very sort of disjointed sense across the totality of it of yeah like

it seemed like yeah they had trouble teeing up these moments and really making every character feel well-rounded. There are people that I would forget about for the first half of the season. And then the second half of the season, I appreciated in, like, episode six, the way Chris isn't very much around, but he has these couple moments that are very impactful. But, like, these last two episodes have sort of felt, and this one may be the least because it was A, longer, and B, definitely had more Chris.

But I feel like we've been so detached from his perspective throughout this season. Yes, I agree. And it, you know, makes him feel sort of, not anonymous, but kind of like, yeah, we... Economist. It literally crossed my mind, too. It's like, I like even the idea of changing the dynamic and having it be that we're mostly looking from the perspective of the rest of the ensemble. And you can kind of have that improve some of the stuff here, but it doesn't alleviate this sense that all of the characters, unfortunately, suffered to some. degree from like what feels like sort of random plotting and proportions of like okay we're

going to go on a joke diatribe for a little while and it's not going to amount to munch or come back to anything and it's just like we're kind of chilling and having fun which is fine to do if you are nailing everything else but if there's stuff that feels like it could have gotten more time and you're using time for silliness that isn't really affecting anything yeah there's it's weird it's like there's so much craft here and it feels like someone built all this with a lot of love and intent definitely but it also doesn't feel like they had enough time or enough I don't know what to like finesse all the moments together and like round the story out there's so many individual

things that I kind of want to talk about as you're saying that I'm thinking like right like we we all had a little bit of a sticking point in last week's episode finding out that there is a Hitler mural even though it was a joke because we are making fun of Chris for not being observant at all. We're missing the big picture. Right, but then in this episode... Right, but then in this episode, we're supposed to believe that the arc

has been that, like, he gets it now. And it's like, but that was just last week. Like, but now you've got all these astute observations, even from a month ago when you're like, no, I'm not saving you, Hartcourt. I'm saving him from you at the diner or at the burger spot.

So it's like, that's kind of weird. i want to get your thoughts on something though uh because we haven't touched much on it and i know that throughout we we all seemed a little confused the rick flag stuff so when was like kind of the pivot what was the deal with rick yeah it just seems so extreme like like what you just became like a non-layered bad guy now i don't know what happened to you man uh it's like there's no way you went through all this just to banish I mean I imagine that is that third is that what they're trying tell us that he went through all this just to banish Chris that's what it felt like to me that they were but that's explicit specifically what he said he wasn't doing to what whatever her

name yeah that he thinks they have that they bother to go to the length of him being like oh he's smart enough to be like see now Chris thinks I'm motivated by revenge and you're like oh maybe this guy is more intricate than you imagined and then all in a montage it seems like that guy's gone well i mean yeah he i thought he was lying or at least lying to himself so it doesn't surprise me that he was lying it just does seem like he became just a bad guy like lex light yeah like it seems like he's actually just subservient to lex now they're very lucky that they cast frank grillo because frank layers everything and he and i love watching him perform but even the dynamic between him and his lover i'm sorry i don't remember the character's name

Sol Gonzales is the actress. Bordeaux. Bordeaux, thank you. She's a character that I couldn't have cared less about the entire season. I know, and then the last episode, they're like fucking care about it. Yeah, it's so reliant on that me caring about her. And then I was just like, we like her now. Right. So, and she's like part of the, so like, I think ads in Hartcourt are maybe my two favorite characters on the show.

And now I'm supposed to like, girl gang this? And I was like, no, but is a duo? I like the two girls, like, I don't really need this other girl in here. And you want a reason to root for her to come around and join them or something. And when she does it, you're just kind of like, okay. Like, I'm glad you're not down for the idea of an interdimensional prison system. Right. I kind of wanted her to be like, no, I am a meta.

And I should have stopped this before I realized it was just targeting metas. But sometimes it takes it to be in your own backyard for you to realize something's wrong. Like, go there then. Yeah, like now let's dive into the depth. And that's why I said halfway through that I wish the other episodes were breathing the way this episode is breathing. Because then I'm like, this episode would probably hit 10 times harder if the other episodes took their time because I think there was some like outline choice that maybe James Gun got obsessed with. I'm just pondering here obviously because for a while behind the scenes, he was saying the first five episodes and then it becomes like a different show in the last three. and it does feel like a different show but i feel like that first five even though six is probably the

the most impactful episode i feel like the first five is that was this chunk where the audience was bitching a lot like you're too short and what's happening here that weirdly i felt like flowed better yeah than uh then uh then uh six seven and and this one especially because yeah i think this episode is the best paste and the most breathing room But again, that's why I meant by not getting the, because I'm there with you, like, man, she's doing a good job in the scene, but kind of want a little bit more meat to this. Even with Chris rejecting his friends, like he, he just went through an experience where he watched his dad die again, and he's under the impression he just got his brother killed again. And he lost all of his hope for that family. and I don't feel a much sense of a grief over that

despite him talking about him being cursed and stuff I'm like I think this guy would be like the grief would be even heavier right now than what we're seeing here you know that that stuff like that where I feel like we're missing like I think there would have been an episode dedicated to just the grieving

if the show lean more I kind of feel like the show was at odds with like do we want to be like our cool DC show or do we want to be our emotional show you know and i think it kind of got lost a bit in the blunder there but james good said this was his favorite thing he's ever written so you know again i'm like i just must be not right there with him and a lot of other people on this one it makes me curious because guardians two is the one of the three that at the time and granted this doesn't look like it'll have a traditional three

even if peacemaker returns but like i remember that movie being such where i was like this is like more disjointed and messy and kind of harsh of personality than the other two and then way down the line being like, okay, but I kind of see what the method is to the sort of unruly madness here. I wonder if that could happen with this season, and I feel like I can see what he's getting at because of the concepts presented. But it's like it's the trouble becomes you know that they're capable of nailing this. And so when they're not nailing it or when it feels like a bit anemic or like pieces are missing, it stands out more. And And I think this episode is in a weird position because it does have the best breathing room and it does have the best opportunity to like really enjoy its own pacing.

But because everything up till now has been short, it feels like it still has not enough time to fit everything in. And it is odd to behold because, yeah, you have so much great stuff, but it feels, yeah, it's quite disjointed. Like there was a whole like couple episodes dedicated to Michael Rooker and going after Eakley. And it's like, in hindsight, we didn't really need that, did we? And then we probably could have had all this stuff. And completely, like, prime-eagly didn't do anything. To me, six, seven, and eight are by far in a way the best episodes of the season. Oh, really?

That's true. Okay. The best in terms of like, I, yes, I loved what we were doing. But I agree with you, Greg, that one through five kind of like were in a way more laid out clearer. And if we had pivoted one through five to focus on the things that ended up happening in 6, 7,8, taking away the Michael Rooker storyline, even taking away some of the stuff like from the beginning of Sean Gunn, which I loved that episode, the first episode, but like him going through the audition process and not getting it. Like, we just spent so much time meandering that if we hadn't done that, I think 6, 7, and 8 could have been exactly what they were. and I would have loved them if I felt that one through five justified six through eight.

And I still did really like them, but imagine if we had spent more time with ads and her wife and dealing with like, do I be with who I love or do I do what I think I'm meant to be? Like if we had saw that instead of just heard the explanation, imagine if we grappled more with Rick Flagg being like, I can't get rid of this hate in my heart. I have to, I need to go after him.

Yeah. Imagine if we had spent more time on Earth X and with Gino Master and ads being like, we can't leave this planet until we try to help. Like we or Chris and his family members actually spending any time together. Or Chris's brother and Chris showing the what really the bond is. So like if all of that had been what we focused on, then I think six, seven and eight would have been like, chef's kiss. Yeah, you said the the right word to me.

for me you say grapple and i think this season lacks grab like the difficulty of of choice that's such a big part of character conflict is when you have to make a choice and how difficult that is you know like i like okay so when a hard court comes from chris is if you look at last episode chris was uh with he was with the other hardcore right and he's falling in love with her he's having this relationship with her and in a heartbeat it's like all right uh no more with you you know once he learns once he finally realize he's surrounded by nazi shit and and to me that's kind of a lot of this season is is there's not much of a deliberation of like what do we do take the scene with soul gonzalez and jennifer holland you know jennifer holland's character is at this point broken and can't and she's being presented with other doing this thing with the meta humans and and hardcore's like well who cares that's not what we can do but then in a second later she's like all right let me take you to ads yeah and stuff like literally one second later yeah it doesn't live in any of the it it doesn't live in the conflict of like what do we do we saw her fighting people at bars at the beginning yeah yeah it's it there's a lot there's a lot of uh there's a lot of uh there's a lot of stuff they're doing but yeah yeah there's been a i guess that's the thing is it I feel it's a little under-serve, but yeah, I mean, I just keep passively saying, you know, hardcore and all that was really well done. But thank goodness for that. Thank goodness for that, because that was a seed that was planted in episode one.

We found out about what had happened in the past with the boat. And then for this entire eight episodes, we've been wanting her to say it meant something to her because we know it did. And then when we finally got that reveal, it meant everything. It felt so earned. Yeah. So honestly, that, that's. kind of why i loved the season is because that's what the show is and they they did kick butt with that well what do you think's going to happen what's like the ending here but ending in terms of what

chris is just there chris is just out and they don't know the future of peacemaker was that just a publicity thing to say to get people to watch i have no idea but i i i there was some quote out there we can look it up about james gunn saying or or jennifer holland or somebody being like yeah like there's not going to necessarily be a season three or we don't know i saw that yeah are there are rumors of that making a peacemaker movie could be um oh god i mean it seems like it ends it seems like it ends in a way where he definitely will be revisited it's weird you could leave him there forever if you had to but i feel like this is clearly wanting to yeah be a thread that we'll see again later because obviously having this prison is going to make a big wave throughout the dc u i think i'll come back

a man of tomorrow i do too and i think that that lends itself well because obviously we're very heavily going to feature lex and man of tomorrow and lex's whole goal is to get all the metas to this uh other planet and what were we calling it salvation salvation salvation um to salvation so i i think that we will see i honestly do think exactly john what you made joked about in here like bearded grizzled i think that that's probably what we will see Yeah, so I think that we'll get him, but I'm kind of just like, how are we going to get Amelia back? And ads, like our people, because they're not going to be there. And I don't think they're going to be heavily featured in Manta tomorrow.

So it does seem like you need a peacemaker slash 11th Street Kids centric project to justify having them around. I mean, checkmate seems like it would be something for the future. I know. When we saw the reveal, we were reading against it. It must be. I didn't know it I was like huh I mean you know it's a good motif to be like hi you know we're we're playing the game right back at you and we're gonna you know check made the tyrannies of this friggin society that we live in a

society of do we play chess earlier I don't know I don't remember that I do think in the way that peacemaker brought broke Lex out maybe manna tomorrow breaks peacemaker out and then we get to season three of Peacemaker because we just don't have to deal with getting them out and then they rush man of tomorrow onto streaming so that you can understand peacemakers let the games begin yeah I don't understand I don't think they should make a movie I think that'd be terrible I mean if they can't if I feel like there's this many story telling problems with a season of television I'm like don't do a movie then did you guys prefer season one

a thousand percent he's a way more easily I liked I liked what, it's like I get why this is his favorite thing in theory. I'm like the themes and the emotional nuances are arguably much stronger here, but the execution is way more smooth and proportionate in one. I just much prefer the ideas of this, of this, like, as opposed to the butterfly people. Yeah. I much prefer Earth X and what does that mean? and like what we were dealing with and the tone of this one honestly i prefer the tone

agree and the concepts agree so part of me likes this season better than one acknowledging that one is a much tighter better done well you were highlighting the 11th 3 kids and like that's why you like this and that's why you care and i really feel that that first season did an excellent job with all of the characters and then you're right forming as a found family and the connection like with all their arcs including vigilante i i really think they nailed that and chris's arc too so to me even if we're looking at isolating the characterization and the emotional journey maybe they don't have as maybe john sina doesn't have as big of an acting scene where he has to bawl and cry no he does not he's got a couple of like

emotional moments um but i think as a writing and characterization and character storytelling i think season one is much stronger you're absolutely right i that's not wrong in anyway i just like like some of the stuff here yeah no i i get you no i completely get you i thought i might walk out liking this more i when we were like halfway through yeah it's it's that thing of like i am with you in spirit and the thing about watching this is i get too frustrated with the knowledge that they could easily fix what's wrong i'm like i really love all the stuff they're going for and i'm i can't get past the frustration of the potential of that like it's weird it's like the potential is what i love and it's also what makes me frustrated yeah and it's

hard to let go of that because of all the things that are great and yet the totality of them feels quite disjointed like i'm not even bothered by this of judo master completely forming the alliance by going to checkmate and tim meadows joining i'm really not bothered by it i'm like okay whatever but in hindsight i if i really want to like fucking foot my critical bram like i feel like you would probably like when did this tim meadow's thing happened outside of like a couple of little things of him being like hey i don't like my boss doing this one thing here and a juno master too i get he bought without a bio um but there was a whole other crazier history when they showed up to terrible things yeah

I was like, oh, wait, okay, I guess you guys are here now. Right, because we're seeing, what's so weird is that there was that montage. We're seeing Rick Flagg and team laugh while Tim Meadows team is dying. But Tim Meadows isn't watching Rick Flagg's teams laugh. We're watching that. So like, you're having to put the pieces together

that what happened was Rick Flag screwed over Tim Meadows team won too many times. And then Tim Meadows was like, screw this. I want to be with. this team but we didn't you know see that he didn't sit in the grapple we didn't sit in the grappling of his ideology being challenged of a man who's been subservient to the government this entire time and obeying authority like there's a whole thing there and we certainly didn't see judel masters of that so no no he only he just got along without a bio yeah that was it and was like yo you're not

white i'm not white maybe we should support each other but again i'm like i i could point that out but I'm not like bothered that they're there right it's just no it's fun to have them I'll take them like I'm happy to see them there but it is one of those things that is an example if that was the only thing that got skipped over I would be like well that's abrupt but I can figure out how it happened but it's just it's it's it's tell tale of a thing that dogs this season as a whole or like at the end I'm thinking about economists's journey eager puts his hand on economist's shoulder that's what all the eagley stuff was for it was like sell that hug at that and i know the economist has had issues with eagley but like that was his arc that's economist's arc is that him and eagley are like a little okay um i feel like we really more nailed it with like he feels like i can't be a coward anymore and like i i just can't yeah um that would have been yeah but they they they actually do that in season one they do when he like he you're right he faces his cowardice in the finale and and and so yeah dog you're 100% right with what you're saying i don't know what to say about that

that's what i'm saying the more we talk about it the more it's just like i don't know about this season but i just my feeling in my soul was like that's interesting theoretically well that's the weird part it's still an enjoyable television show like regardless of it all it's very very enjoyable and 99% of the people who watch this are not watching it with the intention to review every single episode yeah you know they're there to give a couple opinions and then yell at us for being too critical that's the life of what it is actually i haven't read any comments on any of her there are certain videos where i don't read um i'm like i'm not going to read comments on this video certain videos i just don't oh good then let me tell you they

love me here a i will back m v roxy on this um she has expressed this to john and i haven't read the comments on our video so i don't know but to those who complain about her being here i i feel like you have brought a lot to here and i if there is a season three i would absolutely want you for season three thanks i i really feel like i brought a lot of value and you've elevated this john i covered this last season um the betters yeah the better season the last season alone and i i really like there was sometimes like scheduling can be like okay are we going to make this happen and we didn't really run to odds like that at all But I was, I really was happy every time you could actually be with us on this.

Thanks, dude. Yeah, no, the whole audience was too. So that was good. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate that. We are your audience. That's why, like it, that's why the part of watching with you guys, it is always more fun. And like, we love DC and we love TV and seeing these characters. So this has been a really enjoyable experience.

It's just, it just wasn't quite where we were hoping it would be, I think. This is a funky season of TV. Yeah, funky for sure. This is a funky season. And I'm the one hope I have, this is why I don't like to read comments on certain types of content, is that I don't feel like anything we said was about,

hey, we wanted more cameos. Hey, we wanted more DC tie. Where's the action scenes? Like, it didn't ever, none of that came up in our talk. It was more about what we got and how we feel like that was a little bit underserved. That's what we were trying to say. Flash out the ideas that you introduced.

Yeah, that it wasn't, it wasn't, wasn't an issue of expectation of other shit we wanted yeah i'm not i'm not about to gripe that we didn't go through a hundred more portals to a hundred more worlds even though it seemed like something we might have done yeah would have been cool it would have been cool but in the story i get why they stopped when they found what they needed it was our one opportunity to see nazis superman i was and they squandered it chris is still out there i mean keith is still out there so like i don't know oh yeah there's a lot of threads that if they if the ceo person who runs tc doesn't acknowledge like what are you doing man

there's like so many threads here not man it's okay there's going to be a sequel 20 years down the line where keith finally traverses the multiverse finds chris in the salvation dimension and yeah they fight it out one-on-one you're making a joke but again in in coy's interview with david denman david says that he's hitting the gym a lot yeah still and coy is kind of like why and especially essentially David says that for the next three years he's on a contract he's on contract here so it's like and then he's like I don't know if that means they'll call me up and but I've been hitting the gym because like I've got to get in better shape for it if they do and it's like what does that mean for for where if the only explanation would be his Baker season three he he did and I think James Gunn did say in somewhere else that I don't know if was that interview or if James got said somewhere else that Keith was supposed to do that die originally and they must so and and the way that last episode plays out it plays out as if that was like that was the original script yeah you know um because hardcore doesn't tell him that he didn't die no yeah that's a good catch yeah

well there's got to be something out there good music and good music we got freaking diegetic we got two concerts in the in the episode we got freaking nelson and we got foxie shazam hell yeah the dance only got better each time around and uh hey you know for all this nitpicking there was some lovely emotional moments and i'm glad we got to spend some more time with the 11th street kids do you guys have any stray thoughts before we give it up to the people i'm definitely not reading comments on this how many comments will you be reading every single one of them i love to hear what you guys have to say be kind make peace catch us in the box below and we will see you for whatever comes next out of the DCU yeah lanterns whatever it be

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