The Reel Rejects - FANTASTIC FOUR FIRST STEPS Post-Credits Gives MAJOR Plot Clues For AVENGERS DOOMSDAY & SECRET WARS!

Starting point is 00:00:00 Did you notice it was the exact same set as the post-credit scene in Thunderbolts? No, was it? They I mean, it looked like it. Think about the Thunderbolts when they walk in to a circular room thing in the center. They're all sitting on like a round couch, like conversation pit, big windows in the back. It could make sense that if in Thunderbolts post credit scene, when they're coming to our earth, that would be where they're going to their building and the Thunderbolts Avengers building Avengers tower yeah exactly that's how they parallel going home yeah and their home is Avengers tower instead of back yeah

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Starting point is 00:02:42 Does it set up a lot for Avengers Doomsday? It certainly does. There's a lot to actually theorize about it. We haven't we have not talked off camera about Jack about it, but I'm we thought we were saving. I feel like we're probably going to have like a good back and forth here or Greg's going to have a good listening session. Okay.

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Starting point is 00:03:39 talk about the post-credit scene because that's a whole video in it of itself. Okay, post-credit scene, pretty easy to explain. After the ending of the movie where Franklin is, everyone's alive, Franklin's alive, and he's the fifth character here, and it's established that he does indeed have superpowers. And if you know the comics, Franklin is like God level Omega status of superpower capability. And then the post credit scene happens.

Starting point is 00:04:07 Four years later, I like how this movie works in fours. It is cheeky, I like it. Because it starts off four years after. If you're going off of Kirby's birthday for 828, four times two is eight, four divided by two is two. Like there's a lot of math. Yeah, there's a lot of math. Yeah, there's a lot of like, and that works with like

Starting point is 00:04:24 read and symmetry. And symmetry, yeah. This is pretty cool. And there's a lot of math. Yeah, there's a lot of math. Yeah, there's a lot of like, and it works with like read and symmetry. Yeah. Yeah, this is pretty cool. And then this is four years later and Sue walks to the kitchen, she comes back and then the camera pans around and you see Franklin touching Doom's face. You don't actually see it, but then Dr. Doom

Starting point is 00:04:41 is cheating his mask to the camera, so you know for sure. I am Doom. That's definitely not Robert Downey Jr. there. That's definitely some actor. And they said, just cheat it a little bit. Like it looks so like, that was the part that I thought was so funny about it, is that it looks so staged. There was no frame that someone would ever kneel that.

Starting point is 00:05:01 Yeah, it's the way it was done. It's just so funny. It would have been more effective they actually I felt like why don't you just reshoot this and put Robert Downey Jr. there but I don't know I don't know hundred thousand dollars yeah it was it is very true but yeah the way it was done was funny but it is a clear setup for Avengers Doomsday and as we were theorizing in the Fantastic Four one of the trailer reactions about the future

Starting point is 00:05:26 of how significant Franklin will play into it, because he is so significant. The guy has like all the powers, like all the powers. I wrote some of them down. Okay, man, I can't freaking find my text, but I know it's like reality warping, there's manipulation time, he can resurrect the dead as you see in the movie.

Starting point is 00:05:43 Here he is. Oh, I said all that. And he can alter the law of physics. in the movie. Here he is. Oh, I said all that. And he can alter the law of physics. Ha, I remembered most of it. The physics one. I think it's because of his parents. But yes, those are the ones. I was like, I'm missing something.

Starting point is 00:05:53 I'm missing something here. Some key OP power. Yeah, no, he can create and destroy universes and considering what, you know, it's leading to with Avengers Secret Wars and with Battle World. And then we got a curses happening for. So, Koi, if you can use your words and knowledge to explain like where you what do you what is your first thoughts on? What do you think is going to be happening with Franklin moving forward in Doomsday?

Starting point is 00:06:20 My first thought was actually more emotional, which was interesting. I wasn't thinking about the power set of Franklin as much as I was thinking in the comics Valeria their daughter is the one that was closer to doom Yeah And she's like his goddaughter like there's an actual weird thing where there's like a piece in order for Valeria to like go visit Doom I'm wondering if we're gonna keep it to one kid and it's gonna be Franklin and doom having a relationship and When he gets all this power that turns into like oh Is he actually um a fan of the child or does he like want its power?

Starting point is 00:06:52 Yeah, like if if franklin can create universes, you know doom has some ulterior motives or they might see it that way Yeah, so i'm wondering if there's going to be a different relationship with franklin and doom than the traditional valeria and doom Like well, yeah, I think that's kind of hinted at in the fact that he's touching his face. That's what I mean. Are we getting Valeria? That was my first thought. Like, are they gonna have one child? That way it's not like six.

Starting point is 00:07:13 Like, is it gonna be just Franklin representing both kids in the storytelling? I think for sake of movie adaptation and stuff, yeah, I think they're not gonna do Valeria. So that was my first thought, was like, he's Valeria and Franklin comic-wise. Well, they don't make it exactly clear though. Why Galactus wants Franklin? Why do you think he wanted Franklin? Because if you're so hungry you need to consume planets this kid can make universes and planets to consume

Starting point is 00:07:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like to me that's like infinite fullness. He also said that he could take over his mantle He could wield the guilt and the power of consuming planets. Yeah. I think he was going to curse him with, because Galactus was a humanoid type thing once. Yeah. And so I think that was going to be Franklin's role. Do you think it's setting up for Franklin to become Beyonder?

Starting point is 00:08:00 I think a mix of Beyonder or Molecule Man, like something that big power set was. Like in Secret Orz, the Hickman one, Molecule Man is an integral part of the Secret Orz Doom element. Like he's like the power behind it. I could see Franklin being that. Oh, yeah. Well, I think the reality shaping is going to be probably like such a big part of it

Starting point is 00:08:22 because when you're dealing with Battle World, which what was the thing I said in the prior video? I like the way I said it. It's gonna be probably like such a big part of it because when you're dealing with battle world, which What was the thing I said in the prior video? I like the way I said it. It was like a Hunger Games arena Yeah, instead of districts. It's like pieces of broken universes. Exactly. Yeah, and And they're like smashed together on one planet and it's led by doom and it can determine the future of the MCU Yeah, and then when you have incursions where, you know, universes and planets are going all haywire, this had me thinking that he wants to use Franklin's powers to his own benefit and that Doom will actually approach this in a way where he thinks he's a hero.

Starting point is 00:08:56 Right, Doom's always gonna think he's doing the right thing. Yeah, whereas Galactus still felt incredibly malevolent. Oh, that's interesting. I felt Galactus was very neutral. I thought he was just hungry. I thought the feeling that he conveyed, or like the feeling you got with him was fear and malevolence, and like, I mean,

Starting point is 00:09:13 he toys with his foodies. That's true. Literally toys with Reed, you know? Yeah, he has no empathy towards the situations at all, or people's emotions whatsoever. So I thought he's very malevolent and like, are you really? No, you're just hungry. More food is just a hungry guy just playing like stretching spaghetti.

Starting point is 00:09:33 You know, you worry about you. We need 20 minutes to digest your food. You're right. That's pretty normal choice. You're not wrong. Um, whereas I feel like Dr. Doom, like by having an intimate touch moment. Yeah, we're meeting him We're such an intimate moment. We're doom in that in that shot is almost like I am going to be the father of the next universe I will be the hero I can it's right what is good and bad trust me child

Starting point is 00:09:57 Yeah, so like that's such an intimate moment. Yeah, is it as goofy as I thought the the staging of it was I'm like It's very telling. Yes. It was a well-written moment. The delivery was tricky. Yeah. Because it's like movie. Yeah, for sure. And then and then and then. What do you think of the mask? I mean, I feel like they're going to change the mask.

Starting point is 00:10:12 Yeah, I feel like it was. It looked like the mask at Comic Con. It was odd that it was so shiny and didn't look lived in. But I was like, OK, he's royalty. So maybe they want it to be clean. But then I was like, kind of like the acolyte where the Jedi robes were like, yeah, they're young. So they're clean, but it's like it looks like it's off the shelf. I didn't take that mask at face value I didn't face. Yeah, I didn't though it seemed like

Starting point is 00:10:36 Outfit they needed the most generic doom outfit they could use like the Thanos turn around they need like that I was didn't I'm not even the same. I'm not even bothered by that. Okay, just like yeah I mean if you are doing your first look at doom You probably want it to be a badass look and that wasn't really like the badass Conviction that I was looking for but I'm glad it's at least comic accurate I was afraid they'd like, you know play around to make it like the Iron Man when he's doom and I was afraid they'd Cuz there are arcs where they switch bodies. That's not what they're doing.

Starting point is 00:11:06 But they make the Iron Man suit and the doom parallel a little bit. And I was afraid they'd be like, he's trying to disguise himself cause he finds out that Tony Stark looks like him. Like I was a little afraid of that. So I'm glad it's at least a doom costume. Well, the movie itself also has, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:21 implications of and understandings of the other ones like the Thunderbolts post-credit scene has the Fantastic Four arriving to Earth. So it would appear that, at least in my perception, and most likely others, is that Doom does take Franklin, and then it becomes a hunt to save Franklin, which leads then to our world. And that leads to that post-credit scene.

Starting point is 00:11:44 But there's also an interesting question of, we haven't seen them interact with our world at all You could do an entire fantastic four two before secret wars Not in chronological order like for our filming but like that they don't have to touch our stuff They they could come in after the universe reboot and then again that there lies my concern Because I feel like the best way to do a doomsday movie is You do you really the way they said? Infinity war is a Thanos point of view movie Really actually do that this he needs to be the lead exactly it really does need to be his day

Starting point is 00:12:21 Yeah, I think you have to really let him be his day versus all this other stuff with all these different cameos and everything. And maybe that'll come in the form of Doom hopping planets and interacting with characters. And then if he has Franklin at his disposal, that makes it much easier to fathom how he's able to pull that off. And in the movie, you see at those Senate meetings

Starting point is 00:12:43 or whatever, those hearings hearings that very is there Yeah, doom's not present. Yeah, so He's obviously been forming some plans and observing behind the scenes and probably they're aware of him Yeah And it seems to me like an indicator that he's been developing this like almost like Lex Luthor obsession with Superman off-screen But maybe an office off-screen obsession with the fantastic form really keeping his eyes on them, you know I also really like that moment for the very moment to build history without having to do too much But I love that the movie is such a mother

Starting point is 00:13:14 Protecting child movie and then the last beat the threat of doom is an innocent soft moment But you feel like someone invaded your space Yeah Like I have this crazy paranoia of just someone in my house like that. That's why the strangers work so well. Just the idea of like, why are you doing this? Because you were home like the idea of someone in your space is so invasive. I love that the whole movie is like protect my child, protect my child.

Starting point is 00:13:38 Do anything for your child. We meet doom literally just already there. I really liked that. Like he's already this figure of power and malice, and he doesn't move Yeah, that's so cool that like there's an impact so the moment tender But the realization of like invader of privacy of like ultimate power you're just bamfing in here Yeah, probably using his teleportion thing which Reed Richards John Krasinski used in The oh yeah the way he oh my god. You're that's a doctor to be yeah

Starting point is 00:14:07 That's a doom device. Oh, yeah, so I assume that's how he got in ah Yes, okay, that's cool That's pretty sweet. Yeah, right I was as excited about how John Krasinski got there as read being there so I was like doom device pretty cool So I assume that's how we got in which is fun Well, I think though that it will probably end with Franklin see the thing is we keep seeing Franklin and to clarify a big part of Especially in the Hickman run is that? older Franklin Factors in a lot you know like he time travels back time dilation is a big part of this movie

Starting point is 00:14:42 Which I thought they were gonna touch on more. I'm that comes to play yeah no I think it will I think Fantastic Four is that's the cool thing about how I thought this movie was executed is that it stands alone and it doesn't feel like a giant setup for the next movie right but when you think about it it like it sets up sounds like the perfect setup for the next movie yeah they used to feel yeah exactly it feels like phase one yeah cuz cuz it feels where its own thing But you have so many opportunities out instead of it seeming like the purpose of it is to set up the future I love that we did not immediately have the instinct to just do post credit video

Starting point is 00:15:15 We're gonna do a full spoiler conversation like so many of these movies are about the next thing this movie feels like its own Yeah, well I mean to cap off that like one thought is I think that we will probably have an older Franklin Richards I don't know who will play that. Oh my god Gabriel Luna. I Could see that Pedro Pascal's brother from the last Cool metacast. Yeah, I immediately can see that that'd be interesting. He's so good. I think that'd be fun Oh, but then you won't get him as Ghost Rider. Anyway Yeah, I think we'll probably have like an older Franklin show up by the end and then he will be the one. I imagine anytime Franklin

Starting point is 00:15:51 uses his powers that actually further contributes to the incursion problems, right? Right. And like it has to if you're creating mass and universes that's going to have to be a conversation. Yeah, and it's like a power of abuse that he would use on Franklin. I think Franklin would be the one who would would ultimately land us on the reset that Kevin Feige has been talking about. And my curiosity is that he'll die. Franklin. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, otherwise, he's too powerful. Yeah. Like he's too OP.

Starting point is 00:16:18 Any problem? Yeah. It's just there's no. Yeah. But my curiosity is if you can get the Sony rights and everything solved by then if you bring in miles And stuff that way Versions and universes and all that stuff. Yeah, like I'd love to see cuz that's how secret wars is for is to bring in miles It'd be interesting to have miles start. Well, this is so interesting to think yeah I think that's that will be the way they do it But it's interesting when you look at that post credit scene of how

Starting point is 00:16:41 That few seconds tells you so much about the possibilities of what they can do. Yeah. A lot of people went into this not understanding the significant... Admittedly, when I first saw the trailer, I didn't know anything about Franklin Richards, really. And then as I got deep dove into the comics, I'm like, oh, I'm like, Franklin Richards is going to be like the most important thing in this whole thing. And he was so important to the plot of Fantastic Four. And now it makes way more sense how Doom would be able to do all the things they're doing for their big event movie if he's able

Starting point is 00:17:11 to weaponize a relationship with a young Franklin Richards. Yeah, and that's the ultimate invasion and lack of being able to protect your child. It's like when someone gets the kid to think that you're the safe space. Yeah, ooh, that's cruel. Like that's dark.

Starting point is 00:17:24 That's cruel. Like that's the ultimate in betrayal and the ultimate in like you took everything for me. I'm taking everything from that emotional manipulation. Yeah. And he's always been jealous of Reed. So like, what does he do? Take the thing that Reed cares about most and Sue cares about most. Yeah. Oh, I love that. In one frame, like we did not see much. Also, it's getting me a lot of my hype for doomsday is like coming around.

Starting point is 00:17:45 I'm still reticent, but I'm hoping I was reticent. I mean, I'm excited to talk, you know, spoiler review with you, but I a lot of my concerns stayed concerns, but the movie was so good that they got absolved. I'm hoping I get that with Downey Jr. Where my concerns are still probably going to be valid, but the movie's so good that it's fine. Yeah, and that's what I'm hoping because I'm still worried, but like I trust in the team and I trust in Downey's acting and that moment was impactful. Yeah, yeah, so like I'm in to try. Sure, sure.

Starting point is 00:18:18 You know what I mean? I'm excited. I just am not, I'm not going like I'm still at a nine concern, but I'm at a ten excitement But I'm not gonna pretend the nine isn't still there It's I think the the thing is that I love the movies I love the movie Yeah, and I wasn't expecting to love the movie this much sure that this movie alone got me excited more about Them being a focal point and maybe perhaps the main characters of the next Avengers movie. They should be if it's called Doomsday.

Starting point is 00:18:50 Exactly. And if that's the case, then I'm more excited for it now, especially because they've really sold me on this new cast of characters. And especially what that would do for Reed and Sue primarily. And you see how personal their emotions get you know like he's breaking down in the finale there's such a harrowing part of the finale of the film and The emotional thrust I'm like oh shit man. This might actually work now Yeah

Starting point is 00:19:17 It'd be really interesting because it felt like the original plan was it to be a shung chi trilogy from shung chi Yeah into Kang dynasty into secret wars wars and I felt like in secret wars We were gonna have the moment where doom takes over Yeah And Kang dynasty was gonna be him having all this power and then at the beginning of secret wars or maybe the very end of Kang dynasty doom shows that he's the ultimate threat. It's funny now that the last thing that launched in Post endgame world that everyone loved was shun Like, Eternals didn't do as well, a Black Widow was an older property,

Starting point is 00:19:46 Guardians 3 was an older property. Like, the biggest launch I would say is Shang-Chi. It's interesting that when that didn't work out because of Kang, this new launch might become a trilogy where it's fantastic foreign to Doomsday and to Secret Orbs, where that's the soft trilogy. Kind of like what Wandavision became with Wandavision and Agatha in Division Quest.

Starting point is 00:20:03 It's interesting these trilogies kind of forming these arcs that other things can interlude in. But then with Reed having this ability to connect to the world with his science and the world lit, like when he wants to do the teleportation, the world's listening to him, taking his advice on it. Like, hey, I have the solution to save the world. Move heaven and earth.

Starting point is 00:20:22 So when they have a new world established, whatever the singular timeline will be after presumably what doom and Franklin do I Could totally see how Reed would then be the lead of the of the Avengers going forward and how he would be the one people Would call it because they're not even Tony Stark had that influence, right? But this movie establishes that Reed has that capability to connect to the entire world Yeah, they are the people the Saviors I don't know man

Starting point is 00:20:47 I got me really excited for it got me more excited than before and of course I'll wait for a trailer and I want To see some like, you know if I can believe our DJ as doctor That's that's why it's a nine versus ten and not separate and not be like I just see Robert Downey Jr You know, yeah, I have my doubts about Pedro, which is not as big of an ask nowhere near as big of an ask, but I was able to see Mr.. Reed Richards and not Pedro so if I can do that with him Then I'm hoping I can do that with our DJ the other post credits, and I'm forgetting it was for villains, right? It was red ghost the wizard. Do you remember the other two I? Don't oh yeah the cartoon. Oh the that that that hints off of I mean the opening

Starting point is 00:21:32 That's Leaning off of like a lot of what happens in the intro because like yeah Yeah, they mentioned those villains, but I can't remember there were three villains It was wizard red ghost red ghost was gonna be Malkovich And he wasn't in the film and they cut but his voice is still red go I'm sure if I typed in who were some of the most popular fantastic It's been driving me nuts since yesterday. Who are the most popular fantastic four villains? Give me a list I'm sure I could find because I just a wizard red ghost and

Starting point is 00:21:59 This they didn't say molecule man Not blast. No, what These are two huge villains. Who was it? Who are the most obscure but popular? Who are the most obscure but popular, fantastic poor villains like, like a red ghost and. Wizard. No, no, freaking mole mole man damn mole man

Starting point is 00:22:30 Let's see, let's see maybe we can find some names Mad thinker did they say my thinker I think might have been that I think I think it was mad thinker I think you're right. I think it was mad. I mean you see the super apes in there, which is a red ghost. Yeah, exactly Not sure. Yeah, that was that was a fun. I really liked that post credits It was like that establishes how full that world already is. They already have villains. They already have montages They're already like cartoon. I thought that was really clever, too. Oh, they definitely said no more. Yeah, he was definitely there No more. Yeah, it's totally there. Sue storm was like off like oh no more is hitting on me Diablo maybe I think I think it was mad thinker because he's such a funny villain like that's such a funny title

Starting point is 00:23:12 It's very very golden age, but yeah, I think it was I think it was the wizard I mean of course everyone that's watching this is seen as they're yelling at us in the comments Yeah, well do it yell at us Yeah You know you wanted to talk about the doom stuff helps engage and the videos mainly we wanted to do like what that set up and how we felt I think we did think we did let's talk about the spoiler talk now You want to do that? Yeah, all right sweet. Let's go into it. But guys, what do you think about this post credit scene? Dr. Doom is it did you like it? Do you think is weird like a little weirdly shot? What were the emotions that elicited for you with love to know it was the exact same set as the post credit scene on Thunderbolts?

Starting point is 00:23:45 No, was it they I mean it I looked like it I would love to know it was the exact same set as the post-credit scene on Thunderbolts No Was it they I mean it I looked like it Think about the Thunderbolts when they walk in it's a circular room thing in the center They're all sitting on like a round couch like conversation pit big windows in the back I think they just redress this yeah, this seems like generic room Like like that's a room you just this Thunderbolts out on blu-ray, right? Can you pull up post credit Thunderbolt room and see if I'm right sure because I literally think it's the same room Let me type in Thunderbolts post credit scene because I'm like because the Russo shot both those post credits because I think they're shooting on Avengers

Starting point is 00:24:20 And I think that's the room like when Bucky walks in Maybe I'm great. It looked like it could be redressing it. Yeah, am I crazy is that not? I don't think you're crazy It looks like it could be like they put a chimney in the center and they made it look like a Conversation pit. I think that's the same room. Yeah. Oh, I'm not sure it could be yeah, you're probably right So I thought that was funny to post credit scene one room scene, one room. I mean, it would make sense. You gotta film it all quick. Well, beyond that, it could make sense

Starting point is 00:24:49 that if in Thunderbolt's post-credit scene, when they're coming to our Earth, that would be where they're landing. That would be where they're going to their building and the Thunderbolt's Avengers is their building. Baxter Building, Avengers Tower. Yeah, exactly. That's how they parallel, they're going home.

Starting point is 00:25:00 Yeah. And their home is Avengers Tower instead of Baxter Building. Yeah, it's like back to the future part two scenario. Yeah. Oh my God, you're right. I think I got it. Yeah, I think home is Avengers Tower instead of actually yeah, it's like back to the future part two scenario Oh my god, you're right. I think I got it. Yeah, I think that's a thing Yeah, oh my god. We alley-oop that shit. Yeah, we got a big ending to this Yeah, or we put it at the beginning Now we roll the intro hey go and find out how we got there now you put the end screen on go

The Reel Rejects - FANTASTIC FOUR FIRST STEPS Post-Credits Gives MAJOR Plot Clues For AVENGERS DOOMSDAY & SECRET WARS!

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