The Reel Rejects - FANTASTIC FOUR FIRST STEPS SPOILER TALK!! Act-By-Act Breakdown, Ending, Easter Eggs & Post-Credits!

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

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of sense so yeah I would go check that out, please but we're gonna do a deep dive spoiler talk or act by act here for Fantastic Four. A couple things please leave a like on this video and We're gonna go so deep into this man But I also want to say way to go deep with the reject nation is get our new Fantastic Four inspired tee Way to go deep with the reject nation is get our new fantastic for inspired tea Look at it the first step shirt a lot of people Chimed in on this one and hopefully you guys like the way it looks because this was a thoughtful

Engagement creative process of how we were gonna go about the footprints So if you buy it, please let us know tag us on social media We also got there the classic Richards Road one right here the f4 fab 4, baby All right, coy. Are you ready to dive into this so excited? All right act one? Thank God this movies leaked already this they made it easier to make the notes Was like let me just correct some of these uh these reddit leaks and we're good to go But apparently this leaked like a long time ago really yeah, I found the saw the date on it And it was a mistake I mean yeah some of them were like apparently herbie Tied in the original cut or some shit really yeah towards the end and like galactus killed them and yeah

There's some differences for sure from from because the leak is just so accurate And there was like a few things that were not accurate and oh shit. That was what the former cut was like that's crazy Yeah, but the opening scene of this I was hooked right away because it had that effect What you see right? There is like to it is in the bathroom And she's obviously having like a pregnancy test. You find out that they've been, they were trying for a couple of years,

but they kind of gave up. Now she's pregnant. Did the pregnancy test say Stark on it? I'm pretty sure it said Stark on it. Oh, I don't remember. I think it was like a Stark pregnancy test. Okay. Or it's Stork.

Yeah. Either one is accurate. Either one works, but like, it felt like Stark technology pregnancy test that would imply that Starks in their universe, but not as a hero because they're the only heroes. Yeah, it could be a Howard could just be a guy Yeah, it could be a random just like yeah, but I didn't catch it. I don't know. Oh, yeah I thought I think it said that okay, but either way like that opening scene immediately endeared me because I was like Oh thematically this is a perfect opening scene because it's gonna show you who they are as humans,

even though they already have their power, so you're gonna see the human side of them, and it's about family right away. How'd you feel with that opening scene? I loved it. It immediately showed their intimacy, their connection. It made us feel like we were part of the family. There's nothing more part of the family

than that big moment where the family expands. So I thought that first dinner was way better in the movie than it was in the trailer. I thought it actually worked thematically, but also like their intimacy felt more real Yeah, I really thought the Pedro Pascal likeability problem wasn't as big of a thing for me as I thought it was gonna be but from the beginning I was like I still feel like read is a little bit more absent-minded and that opening scene felt like it was teasing that In a way that I was

Excited by and do you feel like in the movie went along you didn't get it I feel like there were moments that I think as we grow into him as read they can augment them and up them But I feel like in this first film they were so focused on making it family making it welcoming making it warm he's a little warmer and a little bit more of a doting kind of Very empathetic father that they were they were more focused on the first family than on read and that's okay Because it's not a Reed Richards movie It's a fantastic for movie, but that was the opening that I was like oh, maybe they are gonna get to this at some point

I liked that hyper fixation and focus and being distracted and trying to get his task done Well, I feel like with the dinner scene that they they go to after the montage which we will talk about When they at that dinner scene That's when I felt like some of the choices started to make sense because Johnny Storm never quite felt like the Johnny Storm that I was reading I Liked what Joseph Quinn did but it felt like oh, this was specifically curated for this movie That's what I felt about everyone exactly and that was okay. I got into the rhythm Yeah, exactly so then that dinner scene is what sold me on okay

And now I understand like they want some characteristics of course that fully resemble the comics Yeah, then there's other parts of their dynamics that are specifically for this interpretation And once I clicked into that it made the movie so much better for me Yeah, because... And I stand by my concerns because they ended up being valid, but they really worked together well. Yeah, for the story they served.

Yeah. Yeah, like, for Johnny Storm, I was thinking about, like, they just went, like, fully cocky, hot shot guy, banging chicks and stuff. I'm not sure it would have worked in this movie. Oh, I think it would have made the third act better.

You think so, with Silver Surfer and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I think it would have made the third act better You think so with Silver Surfer and stuff yeah Yeah Because then it would have been us a sacrifice would feel more impactful him becoming someone that would be willing to sacrifice himself would have Felt like an arc as opposed to like in the beginning I think he would have they really canned a lot of that for him He was he was very much and it's tricky because we're starting negative But like the movie itself is exceptional, and I love it But the things I thought going into it ended up being true And it's a testament to how good the movie was yeah that it didn't bother me by the time I clicked in true

So it's a it's praise that I loved the movie so much that the things I was worried about ended up being true But I didn't think about it. Yeah look. This is gonna be the challenge to stay on track Because we had a cool ass montage with the Ted Gilbert show. Yes. That was the thing that we predicted too that we would probably get some type of backstory montage. I loved it, dude.

Oh, dude, I loved all the interlacing and all the multiple frames and all. Remember, they created the first comic image at one point and I like how they did it in a way that actually, like, because the color saturation's very different. Yeah, the way they did the I was like I have my DiCaprio moment in the theater like a test. I'm almost geeky. He was actually like that's the first comic right there Yeah, I was a really exciting moment. It's so special and they made the storyline make that work It did not feel out of place. It didn't feel like a gimmick

No that that whole backstory of being able to show where they went I like that they actually don't show them in space and get their powers. You're seeing it from the ground level, news media perspective of when they leave to when they come back and they're changed people and the awe of seeing Ben Grimm and like, what the hell is this thing?

And the evolution of that, like going to the fantastic car, zipping around the city, establishing the retro New York, I was immediately getting swept up in the wonder. It was the close, it started reminding me of the magic of Brad Bird, of Incredibles and stuff. And I immediately felt that this man, this monster from Ben Grimm, like all those images where he just felt like the weight of the world

on his shoulders, I really felt the matriarch side of Vanessa, like her her Sue Storm was so Strong and capable and felt like someone that would be with read like their intimacy. I bought immediately I felt like that's a real couple that they would be together. They make sense together from that opening sequence that opening sequence I feel like is one of the coolest things in all the MCU the yeah the montage itself Yeah, I think it's the quickest I've ever been like I'm in yeah That that is a testament to this film's pacing I think this film's pacing is exceptional it really puts its foot on the gas so early, but it never feels exhausting Yeah, like the movie moves

now with Ben's subplot in here of Of I forget who that Character's name is actually she's not she's not the one Alicia. Yeah But Natasha Leone's character Natasha Leone's character The stuff with the kids I was really I thought that was a really cute thing and I like how the world it's it's a different Take as opposed to you know everyone is afraid of Ben Grimm which is usually the live-action versions that have been doing so I'd like To they skip to this moment in time and I love what what is that I'm forget everyone's name the actors name Oh I've been mouse by crack yeah I love the performance that he brought to it

like cuz oh my god he's incredible thing is my favorite I think he brought all that that weight and gravitas and a common thing I am hearing and I actually would agree to it is that there there is that very big sadness and depression of what he's trapped in that I feel like he brought as an actor and it carries over in his eyes and in his voice, but the movie doesn't really explore much of that with him. But I feel like on the subtext though especially with Natasha Leone's character in the

beginning of feeling like because you know in the Chaka with Alicia she's blind and you know so she can't see me so she can be with me because she could just see past this right but the insecurity of being able to go be with the truck like he goes away from this person Yeah, because of how he looks I Felt like it's actually brought there when a lot of people are kind of disregarding something like that I felt like the combination of that relationship that subplot and the moment with him and read When you feel all the guilt from read That he was letting go of the sadness for a moment. I felt like that worked

That he was letting go of the sadness for a moment. I felt like that worked What moment are you talking about when he tells read not to blame himself like you couldn't have known like later on in the third Act that to me justified the sadness that justified like the weight we felt for what Eben brought right right? Yeah, cuz clearly it is affecting. He's looking himself in the mirror. He's looking at the reflection He's looking at old pictures of himself like yeah to me the sadness felt very justified He's bringing you back to the montage. Do you think that red ghost was supposed to be in that month? 100% because I had the apes yeah, and like they cast John Malkovich. He's in the trailer. He's in the first trailer, right? He was in that monta. I think that montage was longer. I think this movie was probably like 220 I wonder if the the first act was supposed to be a lot longer.

Cause it would have been really fun to open a movie with like high jinks in the world and a lot of villains. Like an actual mission that they were doing and not a montage. I think it was. Yeah, because why else would you cast John Malkovich? It wasn't, it wouldn't just, I don't feel like he would just cast John Malkovich

to be a piece in a montage. Right. And then have such a looming ominous shot of him in the trailer. And also at the post credit There's red ghost and it's the voice of John Malkovich. Oh is it yeah? I didn't catch it. I didn't recognize he was still in it But like clearly there was that I think it was supposed to be an opening

You know a book and an opening and a closing with those villains ah Yeah, that's because you have the cartoon yeah telling the story of the opening yeah, I think the opening had all of them I think the mad thinker wizard everybody yeah Oh, that would have been awesome that would have been really pointing at all the villains I was like oh We already live in this world and it would have established this alternate universe is having like them so fleshed out in four years Well, they established mole man early on which you have to it's the mole man's the OG the original dude Walter Hauser He was so good as mole man. I loved him. We'll get to that

I might not fully ago interesting, but they established like the under city early on I watched your editor the theater And I know you you mentioned your Pedro and you know that nothing so it's interesting we switched on that okay Yeah, well they established the under city which does come into play later on do you think they should have spent a little bit more time? establishing that I think it was like a Do you think they should have spent a little bit more time establishing that I think it was like a? Chekhov's underground layer where they set it and it's like well. I'll come back later Yeah, you know I think it was just enough, but I would have again the first act I would have liked another 10 or 15 minutes in yeah I think that would have really made it feel like in another world where the fantastic four have been around like that was so special

And they they did get me to feel like that. I did really feel like they're an established team They did accomplish it, but I kind of wanted to live that more mm-hmm I Could see that I could but that's also my comic bias like I kind of wanted to live in the comics a little bit Yeah, and I think because of the comics I was able to really commit to memory the under city part But I'm wondering for like the average person if that had like little to no impact on them because in the comics It's like such a big part like eventually. there's like one part of the Hickman run you know mole man shows up to Fantastic Four and Needs their help. Yeah with what's going on in the city. So I was like, oh, yeah, that's cool Like a big it's a big part of the DNA of the Fantastic Four world

But it just seems like a thing that they just randomly established a ploy convenience Yeah, yeah where they can keep all the cops in Gotham trapped in them. Yeah. Something like that. But I liked, but no, but beyond that, I still thought it was like a great opening sequence. And then the first real scene you get of Human Torch, of Johnny, I thought was a really interesting deviation

for what you're used to with Johnny, which is, you know, he's trying to get a meeting with his own brother-in-law. He's trying to talk to him about the suits, and they establish this insecurity about him, of like, disregarded for his intellect, right off the bat.

But what were you responding to when you were first watching that scene? So I've never thought Johnny was below average intelligence. I always thought that he was a smart guy around geniuses, putting him slightly below. But when everyone's at 11 and you're an 8, great. He's not a dumb guy, but he's impulsive. The hotheadedness is key.

So I liked that he was intelligent in this, but I did think that making him as insecure as they were conveying him did kind of undermine the difference between him and the other characters. Like the beauty of Ben's insecurity is Johnny's just as insecure, but he masks it with bravado. So the braggadocio of Johnny is supposed to juxtapose the melancholy of Ben. So when the insecurity of Ben is supposed to juxtapose the melancholy of Ben. So when the insecurity of Ben is an outward sadness

and Johnny's just kind of, I'm gonna do my own thing. It doesn't feel as like they're so disparate. And that affected my experience. But it's something that grew on you as well. So the family grew on me. I never felt like Johnny Storm was Johnny Storm. I felt like They did a good job with a story that had Joseph Quinn's Johnny Storm in it. Yeah

How would it agree with you and like that's then that's okay because the movie was great But like if the movie hadn't been so I give this four out of five stars if the movie had done an arc where Johnny goes from being this crazy impulsive hothead that's willing to sacrifice himself that is a guy that dating around and he falls in love with the ultimate girl who happens to be alien, which happens all the time in the comics. If he goes from a guy that doesn't really want to spend his time with his family to developing a Rosetta Stone for language, that's an arc. Instead, you've got a guy that is intelligent that wants to help and then

does help that is selfless that stays selfless. Like he didn't get the chance to grow. And I think the reason I connect to Johnny storm and the reason the character is so important to me is if you don't show the hyper masculine at times, toxically masculine, bold bros grow, then the people that identify with those characters don't get to see growth and then they stagnate and they stay pieces of crap.

I used to love the big, bold, Stifler characters. Like, Stifler's my favorite character in American Pie. By the time you go from American Pie to American Wedding, he's shown growth. But if you start an American Wedding, that's not as dynamic a character. I feel like Johnny Storm is already to the end So I'm not gonna be as invested in his arc and people that are going through their teens need to identify with the hot rod

Character to grow themselves. So that was really I Never got to feel the growth of Johnny Storm So you're never able to divorce yourself from all this stuff when watching it When the scenes were on him, and he was funny I was able to be like that's charming like but it was it was charming in a way of like That's a very good actor doing a very good job But I never thought like that's Johnny Storm on screen with Michael B. Jordan. I did with Chris Evans. I certainly did I think Chris Evans as Johnny is is an even better casting as Captain America Yeah, like he think he's perfect, but that's a very different character than what we got

I think that my biggest flaw in the film is that we didn't trust the audience or we didn't trust the character to be Toxic or overly impulsive or hotheadedness and evolve him because we're living in a time where those people are kind of running things and those people are already so out there They were afraid of making the character like that and having him be unlikable So I think it kind of I think 2025 kind of cost us Johnny Storm Hmm a little and I and I like what Joseph Quinn did with what he had and I like what Matt Shackman did with directing it and I like what the writers did but it felt like somewhere up top They were like this character can't be as

much like this Hmm. Well, you have like early interactions in act one with with him and and and Ben Grimm Did you find that back and forth though to be endearing but not quite he was never in he was never enough of a nuisance to be a bother to the audience or to Ben it was always like to be a bother to the audience or to Ben it was always like Once Ben and Johnny fight they usually resolve their stuff, and then it's like cute bickering we start there Like there was never a moment of like actual brotherly like raw it was always like you know I mean yeah, yeah

It all felt like the third act of a story of Johnny Yeah, I think like the family dynamic I mean the real character development and stuff is happening with Reed Richards and sue yeah the whole time where I think with like But you could have had all four yeah I think you could have had all four and especially I think to like hammer home that that point of Of him at the end like showing like I'm more than just this dumb guy Yeah, probably would have hammered home a little like if he's if you start Thinking he's dumb and then he shows a little bit. If you start thinking he's dumb and then he shows a smart thing,

that's way more interesting than starting him smart and then showing you smart. Yeah, he never really seems dumb in the movie. You know what I mean? So if you're brave the whole time and earnest the whole time and smart the whole time, you have nowhere to go. All right, this act by act breakdown's going great.

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Yeah, I wish I wish that was like you could actually use that. How cool would that be? Yeah. And watching how moved that to me, that's a beautiful moment of the power of his. But that was Sue's capability, right? To show that the invisibility, the invisibility, the transparency checking for radiation. Any cosmic radiation stuff, yeah.

But she was making herself invisible. And then you could see the baby and it was beautiful. Yeah, I think the way they were illustrating their dynamics there of how he was just like, already the guy who's so consumed by work and not really tending to his pregnant wife and the way she needs the nurturing, how herby's the one creating the crib and stuff.

The crib and that human element. Like he's missing out on all the truly fatherly again those moments really helped me see where we could Get with Reed with Pedro. Yeah, especially when he's like well herbie can do that only I can do this right you know that I like a lot of life can do this. I felt a good I thought it was a nice like for a for an introduction for Reed yeah, and and for a leading man in this universe You know and To not go because like Tony Stark is is such a narcissist and right so egotistical that I Wonder if maybe it might have felt a little too similar. I think they had that problem with dr. Strange Yeah with the first dr. Strange movie that feeling too much like Tony that arrogant ego. So yeah Yeah, and I think like that arrogance is there but there's kind of there's kind of like in a human way where like because sometimes in the Hickman run

I would get the sense like I don't think this guy really like wants to be with his wife An aloof dick yeah, yeah, and like that's how the maker devol evolves or devolves is very neglectful with his children Yeah, and there is none of that here. Yeah, there's this It's more of like you see the actions where he's not as interactive yes, he may be ought to be and Sue it seems to be the one who's like primarily just kind of taking care of a lot of stuff But anyway go like I don't know where we're at on the runtime here. This is a surprisingly more disorganized and the other stuff we did before

The the the gold they fight the silver surfer shows up. Yeah, I Did see that clip when they released it online. It's a little longer and is the voice different? No, okay, cuz in the trailer. I thought it was a lot like more like blah blah blah Okay, the clip may is the same maybe in the trailer. Okay? What was your impression on your first silver surfer moment? it's the most I like Johnny because it gave me a little sense of that Johnny impulsiveness of He would be the guy that would fall in love in five minutes with an alien and I was like oh This is why you shala ball instead of noran rad like what a great reason to have shala ball is

The connection between Johnny and her gives him his own journey He is a guy who canonically has fallen in love with aliens and learned languages and stuff like that's beautiful and it also gives us a connection to shala ball and I think her being a mother and Sue being a mother becomes really important in the third act so I really liked her introduction because I was suddenly way more connected to her than like Norton rad I love his stories as an observer the thing I love about civil silver surfer most is

He's a way for us to zoom out and look at humanity from a distance and the more you zoom out the more you can Realize how small we are and there's like this? Observational quality to silver surfer, but for this story you couldn't have the character be an observer Observational quality to silver surfer, but for this story you couldn't have the character be an observer the character had to be engaging and so I don't know if it's just because I Always want to understand how other people think but as soon as I met her I wanted to understand her connection to us in a way that didn't feel like an observer So I liked Charla ball from the minute we met her. Yeah, it felt like it was someone trying to Say goodbye and then her opening line being like. Because it felt like it was someone trying to say goodbye.

And then her opening line being like, die with your people. Like that was really beautiful. Yeah, I like that opening scene of Shalabal quite a bit because it really leans into the side of Silver Surfer that people, I don't even think Rise of Silver Surfer truly leans into is the threatening, menacing side of Silver Surfer.

You know, this like loyalist servant. Yeah. The impression that you're getting. Yeah, the Herald of, and like how much they capitalize on the Herald side. Like it is smart to instead of going to Galactus Planet first, having the Herald show up. Yeah. The warning building because it's doing two things. It's setting up Silver Surfer.

It's giving you the impression of Silver Surfer. Sending up the relationship Johnny will have with her and it's setting up galactus and giving us Ticking clock and I love the way house tension. Yeah, it's giving us tension at ticking clock And I love how the fantastic four just feel like they got this handled, you know Yeah, even when they're traveling in that spaceship I like how they they really treated it like another space launch and like there's still a fear of like will the rocket succeed? You know, it feels so much like the comics. It's like and the next issue They're gonna go find the silver surfer like yeah

It felt so serialized of like and their next space adventure like it felt so Right like the tone of this film was a masterpiece. What do you think of that beat of the suits of like having the suits be developed? There's like kind of a lot of emphasis on that for like Johnny's character Um it felt like that was more there they cut because it definitely felt like he had asked a bunch of times and then that Finally happened and instead he asked once then it was like, oh you did it Yeah, and I definitely it felt like Pedro was more aloof and absent-minded in scenes. They didn't show us So when he got the suit his reaction was really big for having only asked once Yeah, like though I felt like there was more there.

Yeah, I did feel like some stuff was cut. But anyway, when they actually are traveling through, that's what we heard in early social media reactions that it's like a space movie, and I wouldn't call it space in the way how you would call Guardians of the Galaxy like a space opera. This felt like sci-fi space movie.

And when they do travel, like their own version of Warp Speed, but you take a wormhole, and then they arrive at this other planet. Like I love the interaction beforehand where, you know, Reed really feels like he has a cover and then he's just like, if it's a big guy, you can just punch him.

Yeah. Like it should be no problem. I like how they're all kind of full of themselves in a way. And four years in and they've only one, of course. Yeah. I love that. And there's like a, that's a kind of a parallel to like what the Superman movie set up is in a way, right? That and they've only one of course yeah, I love that if never and there's like that's a kind of A parallel to like what the Superman movie set up is in a way, right? I'm saying there's so many of those like I love that

It's this movie uses media in very interesting ways this movie has the hero already established And it's another day at the office this feels like a graphic novel that just dives in it feels like an alex ross painting This is silver age versus golden age But it's using another time like there's a lot of very good storytelling that is trusting the audience to get the language of comics Yeah, and I feel like this sequence especially did that because it's so curvy. I mean meet galactus. Just that's galactus I think the only thing that it did differently that perhaps a lot audiences to get on board more for is like a they give a backstory like a clear backstory for them and Then be they set up their villain differently, you know instead of just throwing you into like oh, they're having a thing going on

Yeah, that's fair. We do get introductions to the villains. Yeah But the introduction to like the planet with the ship coming out of the planet. Yeah, dude. That was beautiful Oh, I think this is Marvel's best visual effects film. I think other than the baby. Yes Yeah, I mean that doesn't thing is I feel like when that when it's bad. It's noticeable Yeah, but when it's good You don't think of it, and there's a lot you never see most of them so much of the movies visual effects And it looks incredible. I think it's their best visual movie a thousand percent. Yeah, I would I Could not think of another movie where the visuals were like that good

I think the subtleties and Iron Man should get some love sure sure that was an eight It felt like a man could fly in an iron suit and that's because it was so seamless But when you're doing like this space traveling moment, then you go inside of the ship. Yeah It becomes like the tone starts shifting and then the first time you see Galactus with the flash of the eyes the scope the Obscurity yeah in the shadows of him And Ralph Ennis and do that performance whoo amazing and you could see they're scared Yeah, like they were way in over their heads. I

Thought was so effective. He's actually scary. He's actually scary. He was a scary ass moment and like the request for the child When she's about to have the baby, and then he like kind of attacks her for speeding up her to go in labor. Yeah It was genuinely like scary It was a feeling of suspense. Yeah, and the ticking clock then suddenly and that was not an emotion I expected to feel and the chase is actually intense The chase is a silver surfer and she's surfing that was beautiful. She's surfing like a black hole wormhole That was incredible and they're trying to outwit her and they have like their Star Wars reference where Johnny is like trying to shoot Yeah, I got one. You know they do the Star Wars stuff But yeah that whole visual painting thing there. It was was a phenomenal. I was like I was I was literally in awe Yeah, same of how?

How scopic it was it's the scene. I'm most looking forward to seeing on rewatch. Yeah, that's the scene I'm like I can't wait to see that on iMac and especially the fact that they Again, they leaned into the Herald side. Yep. Damn. She you can't take this bitch down. Yeah She was intimidating and I thought everyone I think predicted like you cash all a ball as a way to Put noran rad at the end of the movie when they're in the new universe I thought they had a female silver surfer as a way to Show that we're not in Kansas anymore. Yeah, but instead she was so much more interesting because they did shaw la ball in my opinion

I think that whole scene kind of reminded me in a lot of ways like the opening of the first star trek movie with jj Abrams too. Oh, I like that with the pregnancy and giving birth and yeah That's one of my favorite was in it. Yeah, or is it the the it's just all the crazy machinations of everything that was going on We're read is trying to do science and yeah and outwit how to freaking stop Like I like how this movie leans so much into the science of his brain and not so much of the stretching Yeah, they would still use this stretching like when he's doing the science is there so many pushing down Vanessa Kirby Yeah for the gravity pool anything his feet are planted so he's put yeah genius and Vanessa Kirby's like performance while she's trying to Give birth, but then she's also using the frustration and pain of this to shield

Yeah, them that whole scene and her lack of control making the light waves manipulate and all that She's also using the frustration and pain of this to shield. Yeah That whole scene and her lack of control making the light waves manipulate and all that it was beautiful is beautiful And then when the baby's born it's like everyone takes a moment to pause with it Yeah, I thought that was it's one of the it's one of the best scenes in the entire movie for sure I think I think this sequence is some of the best work in the MCU Yeah, this sequence is like action drama powers being used in a believable way the importance of the best work in the MCU. This sequence is like action drama, powers being used in a believable way. The importance of the emotional element of birth. Like this, this sequence is top notch. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot to breathe a few times, which I don't get as much as an

adult. Like when you're a kid and you're so excited, you're like, like I had that happen. Like I was like holding my breath excited at the birth sequence. And when they get back to the planet, and it's such a good play on the opening montage and when they leave and they come back, and they're heroes and they're celebrated and everyone's kind of expecting the same and their first question is,

tell us who you think of Galactus. They just assumed. And even though it was spoiled for me, like I assumed that Galactus wanted the baby before it was spoiled for me that that was his motivation. Man, when it plays out in context, part of my brain's like, you should've told them what Galactus wants.

I was like, why would you say it? They're gonna turn on you. They're gonna turn and they're gonna tell you to give up your baby. Did you not see Squid Game season three? They're gonna tell you to kill the baby. And now we've got the trolley problem. Yes.

Which is genius. Yeah. Like you literally save a wonder save a planet But it's your baby But I love the orchestration of how that act unfolds same because it's creating attention Like they seem like they seem like they were unaware of how they kind of thrived on the public's love of them Yeah, you know that they they they they fed into it a little bit, you know It's not something that they'd be like, oh, we don't need it, but they also cared about the public

and they cared about the world. And I think that's the part where they kind of changed some of the arrogance of Reed is that they wanted to show he does care about the world and he does care about people. Like, this is all stem from care. But I like that they brought the menace to that of the society, all just being like, get rid of your goddamn baby, you know?

Because I can see from, if I'm just in the crowd the society all just being like scary god damn baby, you know yeah because that I Conceive from If I'm just in the crowd, and I'm hearing the planets gonna do it's like dude You just had the baby give it up. You know I could I actually could fathom being that and I loved that read Ethical speech, and I was like and that's the moment. I was like that's read. Yeah, my problem was That moment felt so authentic and then when we didn't get to live in it long It felt like ah we're losing that thread like those threads set up to make her beautifully And I do think we're gonna see more and more of that and again for this movie. You've got to make them approachable

I think the problem with read is he's not an approachable character So they had to make him the most approachable version of himself. Yeah, so I have way less problems I think Pedro Pascal did an amazing job for making this read work And but you also have to see why sue would be with this guy and stay with this guy Yeah, because he's a dick then and when you meet name or you're like like the most emotional moment for me A lot of people probably have like I heard people crying when they thought Sue Storm was dead That argument was the most emotional moment for me. Really?

It was the line that, I forget what the line was that Vanessa Kirby said. It was like, something about like the way you think hurts me, you know? Or the way, who you are, like, yeah, something about that. But you being you hurts me like I've that hit home Yeah in ways of like thinking of past memories I think we've all kind of felt that in a way sure of like I just who I am as a person. Yes

Early is her But to actually hurt the one you love yeah without Just your own thoughts We haven't actually done anything. Right. You know? I'm just being non-existing. I'm so sorry.

I just had a thought. You know? If it was so real to me. And I love the juxtaposition of how the opening scene is them in a similar room and setting. And it's all love that the baby's not there. Now the baby's there. He's not even like, and all this.

And all that with all the hatred toward Franklin, you're never seeing Reed pick up Franklin. The entire time, you're not seeing him pick up his own child. And then the moment they start to show you that connection, you're like, oh, I had been missing this. This has been absent. Yeah, yeah. But the speech that Vanessa Kirby gives to the public.

I think Vanessa Kirby is, I think they started casting with her. I don't know the actual true story, but I heard she was the one they cast around, and I see why. Like, she is so incredible in this. Like, Sue Storm is, I mean, this might be my favorite. I like it more than any of the comics I read from her.

Yeah, I was gonna say, this might be my favorite Sue. And I was, I was, I was mathering it out. I think this is my favorite Sue Storm. Yeah. Because it feels like the character, but it feels like such a perfect version of the character like Vanessa Kirby's is very beautiful and it's a very attractive person and I Don't need a bunch of people like

You know, I feel like that's usually she becomes like a sexual you know and Not all like from most of the comic I wouldn't say that's case, but I don't even find her particularly interesting in the comics. And that's a problem. She's mainly just like the wife. Yeah. Or she becomes some type of subject like, Hey, you're the queen of Atlantis. Yeah. Just like given a position and stuff. But here the the expansion of her the way way, the fact that it's this deep into her power set and she's able to use these powers in a way that's more than just she just turns invisible. Yeah.

But yeah, that scene where she's smart enough to do, and it shows the husband and wife delineation between them, I think, of Reed is not, Reed sucks at empathy, Reed sucks at human emotion. He's not, he's just logic, logic, logic. But her maternal instinct goes, I'm gonna go out there with my baby which is scary as shit. All emotion. It's not logical. It's not a lot it's not logical. And that line from her when she says like I will not give up my baby for the world but I will not give

up the world for my baby I was like yeah you did it you did the ship of Theseus yeah between that and the lever I was like Matt Shackman done his Wanda vision dialogue shit like so good and that's one of my favorite parts about this movie is the constant back and forth of like the alley ooping Her and read have with one another yeah of like When Reid might have a thought and then she'll know what the thought is without him having to say it or she might say something Which gives read the thought yeah the the constant feeding to each other. That's a. That's a good couple. As a couple, they, they, uh, they, the movie really sold me on that. And yeah, that moment where she's connecting to the public. I was scared for like,

you're putting your baby at risk. You don't know where your baby has powers. What if they attack your baby right now? But the trust in, in, in the public and the way like, I mean, sure, like it's a romanticized, like would everyone really turn? Of course not, of course not. But they're the Fantastic Four. Spider-Man season New Yorker, if you hear one of us, we'll want you. That kind of like, we let that go.

I understand that, but it's like the cheese of it, I buy of everyone turning around on it because of the world that they establish and how much this world is so dependent on. Because the world doesn't feel like they have any other heroes but the Fantastic Four. They shut down the power of the planet Yeah, they're like I had London

That was a great showing of like their importance Yeah, I got a teleportation thing did come back cuz I wasn't sure how that was gonna come in I was like oh is this how they're gonna get like is the movie gonna end with them coming to our earth that way? Yeah, I was like and then I was like teleport the whole planet that seems crazy They're like how do you have something? How do you have enough power on a thing to move the thing so I love love what it ends up being yeah like that was such a great bait and switch They see that that's the thing with the trailers though. It does show you galactis is coming It does show you all that stuff sure like well. This is obviously not gonna work in some way

So I'm trying for to go wrong, but to the movies effect to the movies credit Man did it sting when silver surfer shows up in the last couple seconds and just starts wrecking shit like oh that's And the movies move so fast at this point you don't realize where you are in the watch time You don't know if the movie's almost over and then all of a sudden you're like no we were almost there Yeah, and I love I love that it still had the effect even though I'm like well obviously not gonna work I saw the trailer glad was gonna show up and have to fight him right like I know it's not gonna happen Even though I'm like well obviously not gonna work. I saw the trailer galactors gonna show up and they have to fight him, right? Like I know that's not gonna happen But it still had the impact of that and I like how it led to

Whatever Johnny was discovering with decoding the language I love that subplot especially because it feels like Johnny like but I would have liked I'm a little bit more time between the two of them somewhere because I really liked the two of them. Yeah Yeah, I still I still think the scene though is so effective when he does like connect to her because she's clearly lost sight of Who she was and why she's why she did this to begin with yeah And that's why I think she it needed to be shallow ball not in orange red Yeah, that connection was really beautiful and while that while that was like the predict it was a silver surfer So, you know that turn has to come right?

The emotional impact of it and to go to her planet for a brief second to show her relationship with her daughter I thought Julia Garner did an incredible job to be like yeah, you know that's not an easy performance. You're under so much. Yeah Yeah, that was great. That was really great and also the thing with the things beard That's when the CG I thought it looked a little wonky and him, but I like that he did it because Johnny thought it was cool I Think a couple scenes of Johnny being a cool guy would have helped You know what I mean like him showboating him like pop it around town like his movie starness I think would have made the the beard moment even bigger

I think it would have made Ben trying to get approval a little bit bigger I just wanted a little bit more of the Johnny like pizzazz around town because we're talking a lot about the relationship between Sue and Reid But the relationship between Johnny and Sue and Johnny and Ben those things I could have used a little bit more So that way the whole four feels like all those relationships Yeah, because it's about the four of them and I do feel like it was two leads to supporting I wouldn't contest that yeah, and like I think there are comics where it feels like the four of them. I think I Think there's like my little arcs for them You know like Johnny just seems like he's actually respected for his brain because I did love the line of like you can barely speaking

Really funny line That and the humor to you that's another that even talk at all about the humor I think the humor is really well such a funny movie. It's a funny movie, but it never feels like that Marvel humor It did all the summer blockbuster things it had drama it had fear it had emotion and at humor like this is spectacle like a summer blockbuster Spielberg Ian yeah, no there's wonder and yeah throughout the whole thing for sure like you get like the interstellar visuals you get like the drama that but that's that's What comics can be when you have that human connection to extraordinary? Yeah, it's so good I Really you know I'm appreciating this the second half of second act more because my first impression when I was first watching it because

I was aware like the finale had to come sure I was a little bit anxious And I was like this is kind of like their part? I don't remember when, there's like certain moments where like, are they kind of dragging out this finale? This lead into the finale a little bit. I started feeling that a little bit, but the more we're like talking about it, the more I'm appreciate,

like, cause I knew I liked all this stuff already, but the more I'm like, maybe I liked everything about it. And we didn't need all this stuff because yeah, when I could tell the teleportation thing wasn't gonna work I started thinking of the kind of dragon this had a little bit but it was worth attention I personally and I love the building stakes to get like her to the point where she's a cornered you

know woman with her baby yeah cuz that emotion was so worth it and I love when I love how she knew that that was reads plan and her reaction to that Yeah, she's like I know I know and then she like it goes invisible high. Yeah Like that have to where she knows that's the only solution that this isn't because Reid had a thought This is the solution is the only way. Yeah, this is the way. Yeah, it's the only way and I love how she comes to that realization Yeah, Vanessa Kirby's incredible dude. I was like I was so impressed. Yeah, she's the only way and I love how she comes to that realization. Yeah, Vanessa Kirby's incredible dude I was like I was so impressed. Yeah, she was really really good. I like how that's another thing too is that For for female audiences, they really connect with Lois Lane and they really connect with Vanessa Kirby Yeah, and it's you very good female. Yeah, that's fucking awesome

And yeah, then when they go into the finale with the teleportation and go into the galactus fight Wow, that spectacle was awesome. Yeah, it is scary And I thought that and we talked about a little bit earlier, but this the stretching of Yeah in that moment is is it was clever because that's his ability Yeah, but when it's not by his choice it felt you felt every bit of that And I love that his clothes got tattered because like the way it was done like Galactus worked better here than I ever dreamed we'd get in the movie. It's surprising how well he worked Yeah, cuz when he's interacting he's scary when he's just an ominous looming threat. He was scary

I thought one or the other would work Yeah, I thought galactus big enough to devour planets would be an ominous looming threat he was scary I thought one or the other would work yeah I thought Galactus big enough to devour planets would be an ominous looming presence as like an Existential crisis of dread or when he was Godzilla stomping around the city I didn't think both would work both worked both worked. It was our kaiju. Yeah, it reminded me of like Godzilla 2014 But you could see him the whole time but usually Godzilla can't be a celestial to you know usually you can't then they did it Yeah And silver surfer worked and so but before that the part that I said we talked about When they had to move everyone to the under city for moment. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, what you got? What's problem my boy?

My man, I enjoy Paul Walter house either the light But I only I saw someone playing a character in that moment You know like I enjoy like I'm a huge Cobra Kai fan. Yeah, love me. Cobra stingray stingray I think he's great at stingray really believe in the stingray But in that moment because he only really gets one scene a true one scene right three You got three scenes they kind of cut to him But this is like the opening is like him getting introduced a couple lines But then he comes to this becomes the house Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about okay, and then they've got the underground scene where he's shepherding everybody

Yeah, he's literally like take your shoes off. I'm just kidding. It's all dirt. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair But I felt like I was watching Paul Walter Hauser play like that was the one time where I felt like I wasn't watching a character in this world. I was watching an actor play a character in this world. And not that I'm like super invested in Mole Man is like one of my favorite. You know, my favorite villain mole man. But you know, he said he's a legacy character for the Fantastic Four world. Certainly.

But yeah, that was my little side tangent on that. But on the finale of that, I did think of the way how it was smart to get them all out of the city. The way they made that work was a really smart maneuver. And the battle sequence, I thought was really intense and smart. Like even the lure with Franklin there temporarily.

Franklin to be terrified adds to the emotional stakes. You're like, oh, that fucking poor baby. That baby. Yeah, that poor baby. Just like, that's so sad. Like how was it. You're like, oh, fucking poor baby. Yeah, poor baby. Just like that's so sad. Like, how was it just a baby like, eh? It was like a crying, oh my god, baby. Normally a movie doesn't make that choice.

Yeah. They normally are just like aloof or like, oh, what's this? They fought my baby. Yeah. Give it a doll. But the baby was terrified. Yeah. And when they switched it out, I did did as an audience member because of how Galactus

found Frank. I was like, there's no way I was thinking like one galactic black deception. This is like kind of dumb because that's how we found the evidence of them in the movie doesn't like, oh, thank you. You're smart enough to know we would know. Yeah. And it was a great like visual representationation of like don't step on the tripwire Yeah, gun wire, you know and then to use all their powers like, you know Yeah, the them working together as a team really for the first time we see with their power Yeah was so beautiful and when he does take Franklin it is it is a terrifying moment because you do feel for the baby And the fact that the baby is scared and crying really has you feel for him even as someone who knows Even as an audience member if you don't know Franklin Richards, you're probably like the baby's probably gonna be fine

Even still a baby. There's a human instinct like that's a baby even as a person who knows the comics You know Franklin's of super being yeah, you're like Yeah, oh my god. This is still scary Yeah And it shows the the immediacy effect and that what is more family than I'm all protecting the baby and I love that like the there's so many family dynamics in this home that they explore perfectly the the brother-sister dynamic the adopted brother dynamic the wife husband dynamic the parent dynamic like all of this feels like family and then you up the stakes by having the baby get kidnapped and

And it's like we talked about the post-credits You watch that video the immediacy of like the oh my god the invasiveness though. I like I'm protective over this baby I just met yeah, so beautifully done and when he does capture the thing Johnny storm. It's different in the trailer He's not fully engulfed in flames in the trailer. Oh interesting. Yeah, I noticed that shot detail I wish I hadn't seen I think I saw a clip I don't know if it was in the second trailer But with him saying like say the thing because I was such a cool moment I was like I know they're gonna say the thing about saying the thing

Yeah, like they gave away the clobbering line punch like they gave away the setup. Yeah, and the punch line was great I feel like these you shouldn't have heard anyone say it's caught even though even the guy in the New York City Street in the Beginning says I think we were all waiting. I feel like I we shouldn't have heard anyone say yeah Cuz it was a great pay. They should have just had him say say the thing I think I think if they just left it at that by the time even if Yeah, if you think if they only left it at that and you don't hear anyone say it's clobbering time Then that would have been even cooler. Yeah, but I did like when he said it was a nice boat course like it was awesome Yeah, it was a cool moment of him embracing it and it was awesome. Yeah, it was a cool moment. Of him embracing it and becoming the hero.

And I like that Johnny uses that moment for it. And yeah, when there, and when Sue is, what would compel Sue more than anything to drain herself of that power? You need the motivation for that. And like seeing your baby in hand, I like that demonstration of that power and that sucks the life force out of her then.

Yeah. It was selling me on like I wasn't sold that she was gonna die Clearly from hearing like a lot of other people in the crowd I feel like I heard a lot of people crying in that moment it's for sure I heard of people next to me crying a lot and But what'd you think of that moment when soon? You know it was funny for a The movie got me enough that there was about ten seconds I was like are they going to another multiverse to find another suit storm like because of because of Thunderbolts so for a Fraction of a moment. I was like that'd be weird. That'd be like a stepsister like I was thinking like it'd be like

Finding a surrogate not like another Gamora's yeah, and for a moment I was like was out did they kill Vanessa Kirbyvy and I was like cuz her performance is so good It's kind of the the James Gunn thing where you like make the character super likeable free kill him I was like what this whole movie making a slow sue storm to kill like for a fraction of a second I believed it and that's that's great writing. That's a great movie when I was like did they just Know and the fact I had a second of that means I was in I Felt I don't know man Maybe because I've been so indoctrinated in the comics in the last couple months. I was like well Franklin's gonna resurrect her, right?

What's great is I was so invested that I forgot Franklin was there Yeah, my mind these past few months. My mind is just unbelievably racing thoughts So I'm like zip-zapping around and I'm in my mind's in like three My mind's in past present future. Well, that's that's that mean good because I mean you're very aware Yeah, but I was like so emotional. I wasn't aware. I would rather have that Yeah, I rather have that experience as I get older I get more emotional man You might even get me crying out a reaction. Yeah, I got really emotional in Superman I got fairly emotional in this like it's it's you know they say as you get older you get weepier and it's happening. That's interesting. It's happening. I noticed that with

on a very generalization Spectrum like men are getting softer and women are getting tougher That's what I'm really noticing. I think women are having to you know I think men are I mean like more externally overtly no No, I think women are having to but I think men are finally getting Moral models that are saying it's okay to yeah, and that's why I know I'm gonna get guff about my Johnny Storm thing But my thing is that he should get there not start there. Yeah, I feel you know I mean so like the Emotionality I would love that we're getting that with men, and I love that we're embracing them. I agree with you

I think that is happening, but I also think like 36 year old me is much more like okay. Yeah, I'm on the back nine It's not going up from here so like there's an awareness and I think there's like an emotionality of like I really look forward to being a father and so I Love that Superman was about being a son and about that connection to family and I love that my Next most comic book movie was the other great family dynamic of being a parent There's also like being a supportive husband. Yeah, you know and

Yeah that moment when Pedro was like breaking down. I was really I like that They let only I had a split second where I was like What did Johnny be crying his eyes? Yeah, yeah Yeah, but I like that they kept it focused more on Pedro and it might have taken away the moment if they were all like in the same Like freaking out about it, but now that that that moment was it was still very strong I like how you only get like a shade of light yeah from Franklin's hand and then like

as soon as I saw Franklin I was like oh but for a moment of my comic brain turned off and that that's the highest praise I can give this movie absolutely well the emotionality too of like him going over and and knowing he can save her oh and also Pedro just being like say bye to your mother. Yeah, that was crazy Yeah, like before my comic brain kicked in I was like Dead body. Yeah. Oh, you're saying body your mother and then I was like, oh right Franklin Richards But the movie's so good that my brain didn't go Franklin Richards. It went say bye to your mom. Yeah, crazy Do you think in the Ted Gilbert show of them not? being there for when the curtains open?

Is there some type of symbolism to that or are records just a funny thing? I saw it as like they're the world's protectors. They're never at rest. Like to me it was like back to work another day at the office. Like to me it was like you know we are always doing this. don't have time for yeah, just being on okay That's how I saw something simple well I love the moment that followed it with the whole like they're trying to figure out the car scene. It's such as dad's Holding the baby The most human like oh yeah, I've seen this

Have you ever worked one of those they're painting. Yeah, it's insane They're painting. It takes that long. Yeah, like yeah, I love that Love like the three two one So good no this movie's amazing even the usage of the fantastic are in the finale was all yeah, but sue driving it Oh, man, I was like yeah, Matt Jackson is such a good director. He's a great action director Yeah, he's mainly TV until now like I want to do so many things like this is so good. Yeah, he's really I think it's my number 13 Marvel movie Like it's up there guy. You're so good at these numbers and ring. I have no idea where would be for me It's like right between it's it's just after Black Panther and it's dancing around homecoming

Okay, and Black Panther is my number 10. So it's in that 10 or 11 to 13 range I wonder where it'll be for me if I prefer over Superman and then I watch it the second time I feel like I got like I was just weeping so much during Superman. So like emotionally I was so enveloped in Superman I Consider Superman revolutionary and I consider fantastic for evolutionary and so both are amongst my favorite things. But I never thought we'd get the Superman movie we did. I always hoped we'd get the Infect, this Fantastic Four. But since we'd gotten other Fantastic Fours that got close, and since I didn't grow up on Superman 78,

that hit me way more. Because it was like a new thing. I think as a movie, this plays smoother. I think it's a more structured, like it's more of a traditional movie Yeah, yeah, but I part of what I like about Superman is it's erratic five act structure need to the thing that people don't like Yeah, that's the light. I really like you like that's kind of the point Yeah, I like so that's tricky because I can't really that's an apples and oranges of like your goal in a film But like I think to it best comic movies the last five years came out two weeks part

That's crazy, and it and they're so tonally similar about yeah family and hope exactly And I like how it's playing to a very specific type of sensibility Yeah, and it's not going for like there's there's deep emotion, but it's not going for the heavy. It's not saccharin It's not over-the-top or clinging. Yeah, it's not going for like there's there's deep emotion, but it's not going for the heavy. It's not saccharin It's not over-the-top or clean. Yeah, it's just good raw emotion This is interesting discussion. I feel like we got back on track. We went beep-by-beep by the end there Yeah, I think we did I'm learning how people like a structured review. I don't think we've ever done this before Yeah Break some makes it up. You gotta fail sometimes like fail sometimes I did start with some negative and that's gonna I was worried if we should restart because I was like we never restart

But I just dove into my concerns, and I'm afraid people are like oh DC show hated it Marvel blah blah blah But like I loved the movie yeah, maybe but maybe we'll create more engagement That's a matter maybe people or the or make the watch time on this super short because you were so negative And you didn't stick to the act one yeah Structure don't write into my vitro too much around the arcs had to stick to the script come on for the company I Mean I think this is like a four out of five. It's really high. It's an a-minus for me. I Really don't know what I mean the things I said I'd change are the only things that really change. And those are small. And it is the most I've looked forward to the future of the MCU since, since

between end game and infinity war. Me too. That is such a beautiful feeling again. I think, yeah, I think this is, it did its job on how it's going to create theory, like people are going to theorize what's going to happen next. And, uh, I love that it stayed in its own universe. Yeah. I love that it did not end bleeding into ours.

I love that at no point was I like, next time on Marvel, I got to be like, oh, what's going to happen with them? Yeah, it's going to be the opening of Doomsday. Yeah. And like the trilogy idea. Like I think that's really exciting. I mean, watch our post-credit video. But there's so much to theorize on for the next year. and that next year is doomsday like we're in that year countdown

Yeah, that's crazy a year from now is brand new day and a year and a half from now is doomsday And we actually get to be like excited about it because to me it's been like okay. What's next? Oh, that's next wonder how that connects But now I'm like oh like I want to like a read and like I've got all that jazz again Because I think also the one two punch of Thunderbolts in this yeah, I think Thunderbolts was exceptional that you've seen it and I think that was more of a kind of Consolidating of what we've had in phases four or five and now going into six this feels like a launch and that's always gonna

Be more of like look up. That's always gonna be more like driving for momentum And I think the Thunderbolts post credit scene is actually smarter and retrospect because it is making it very clear to the audience that like while Fantastic Four is a standalone movie while it takes place in a different universe while they never come to Earth 616 don't worry they will yeah and what I love most is every single one of us when why would they spoil fantastic four? And they did it and they did it like that's amazing. It's amazing like they did so many magic tricks. They didn't All right guys. Well, that's it for our fantastic for spoiler talk. I wish you could be for the live It's you but you're gonna be deeply in San Diego

And it's Saturday. Yeah, I'm gonna be like so busy Well, it's gonna be fun. we'll cover the peacemaker trailer without you yeah I'm down there in part for peacemaker so I'll probably watch it in real time hopefully with John Cena still a show I know even on a fantastic for video watch peacemaker season 2 August 24th only an HBO max. August 21st peacemaker keep a lookout. What was your favorite part fantastic for do I need this call to action? What was your favorite part? Can't ask the people and not have an answer Greg My favorite fire

It might be galactus' open first scene. Yeah. I think it's his first scene. Like I was so in awe with the horror and the cosmic side of it. And like the whole sequence is amazing, but that first scene is such a shift. Yeah.

You know, and it has such an impact. But man, I love that montage. But then, but a scene, I'm like, that scene really hit me, yeah. So like when they get to his planet and you see him? Yeah, because they're like terrified of him and stuff like that, yeah. I really love that.

That might be my favorite scene or, I don't know. I think we talked about so many great moments and scenes. It's hard for me to depict, but my mind keeps going there. When you ask me that, as my mind's racing. It just keeps going like So I'm like it must be that I think mine's the next scene it but it's tricky because if I start there I'm even happier to say it but like the chase and the birth and the black hole like that sequence Yeah, but if we just if we zoom back five minutes and add the leg

But I guess the whole visit to Galactus sequence? Yeah. Is the best part of the movie to me? But how rare is that like the second act? Like that's also cool formatting wise. Yeah. Like the second act is never like, you know what I love? The second act.

Yeah. But like that's an incredible thing and it's not like the first or third or bad. But that's an incredible sequence. Incredibles. Fantastic. Peacemaker, August 21st. See you guys.