The Reel Rejects - FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (2007) IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT!!

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

NOW THAT'S MORE LIKE IT!! Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Full Reaction Watch Along:   / thereelrejects   Visit https://huel.com/rejects to get 15% off your order With the First Reviews for Fantastic Four: First Steps dropping, Andrew & John RETURN to give their Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer Reaction, Recap, Commentary, Analysis & Full Movie Spoiler Review!! Andrew Gordon & John Humphrey dive into Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007), the action-packed sequel to Marvel’s original Fantastic Four movie, directed by Tim Story. The film reunites the super-powered team as they face their most cosmic threat yet. Ioan Gruffudd (Horatio Hornblower, San Andreas) returns as Reed Richards / Mr. Fantastic, Jessica Alba (Sin City, Into the Blue) as Sue Storm / Invisible Woman, Chris Evans (Captain America: The First Avenger, Knives Out) as Johnny Storm / Human Torch, and Michael Chiklis (The Shield, Coyote) as Ben Grimm / The Thing. As Reed and Sue prepare for their wedding, Earth’s atmosphere is disrupted by the arrival of the mysterious Silver Surfer (voiced by Laurence Fishburne of The Matrix, John Wick), with Doug Jones (Pan’s Labyrinth, Hellboy) providing the physical performance. The cosmic rider heralds the approach of Galactus, a planet-devouring force that threatens Earth’s survival. Julian McMahon (Nip/Tuck, Charmed) also returns as Victor Von Doom / Doctor Doom, who plots to harness the Surfer’s power for himself. Key moments include the Human Torch chasing the Silver Surfer across the city skyline, the wedding crash sequence, and the final showdown to save the planet from annihilation. Packed with early Marvel spectacle and comic book nostalgia, Rise of the Silver Surfer explores themes of teamwork, sacrifice, and cosmic consequence in the superhero genre. Follow Andrew Gordon on Socials:  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MovieSource Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/agor711/?hl=en Twitter:  https://twitter.com/Agor711 Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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they are the silver surfers like harbinging the galactus the world devourer of question and answer we're gonna answer some patreon yes we are okay so starting off with Simply Faded. Thank you so much for the question, for being a royal reject. Four fantastic, four silver surfer. Do you two believe Jessica Alba did a good job

at crying prettier? That is something she reports, the director reportedly told her she needed to do, have less emotion what be pretty that is crazy work I don't remember I mean that's crazy word you I just don't remember hearing that I mean job at crying prettier the problem is that now that you have suggested now that you've given the prompt this way like I can see it I can see what you're getting at.

And I think she certainly did a good job. But I mean, I thought Jessica Alba is like, you know, the like, you know, when you give like an award at the end of a season of sports for like most improved, I felt like she definitely was the most approved here because because I don't you know, like I don't believe her invisible effects. Yeah. No no like like everything to do with Sue Storm I thought was better and more engaging here and she felt way more even

though they had to do that naked gag because you just required by the law that we do that she felt way more sort of like an equal member of the team in terms of just her formability her attitude the contrast that she provided to the other characters and yes when she had cry moments they were certainly picturesque no toby maguire you know crunch face here I thought she did a pretty terrific job all around I thought she really rose to this occasion yeah I thought she did a good job, too. I do like the way you mentioned that question as well.

I didn't know. Again, I usually like knowing these fun facts or trivial facts about films. I didn't realize that was actually a thing, nor did I. Again, she's just an actor and actress doing a job on set. I'm surprised. I mean, she's got a lot of pull in Hollywood, so I'm surprised she, like, was... Well, I'm trying to remember back to like where we are in terms of her trajectory because because it's seven at this point so I'm trying

to see where she's yeah because like these are only two years apart like it's crazy to me because a lot of things feel like they got an injection of just, I don't know, cohesion and energy and inspiration in this one for my money. And and the gap between her performances from the first one to this one is is there's like it seems like for two years, I'm like, damn, she must have thrown down on just her craft just gone out and like taken acting you just drilled more and more acting classes lessons whatever you want to call it for sure no I thought she did a better job in this film I thought the character was also written better I liked her motivations I guess her arc in the film you know like you're

just wanting more of that, and I get it too from her perspective. Like she does have these powers and understand, not to get into the Spider-Man trope, but does have these responsibilities. But she just, at the end of the day too, she, before this, she was just a human being as well before having powers.

And she just wants to live a simplistic life with her fiance slash about to be husband. Sorry, just trying to have my Therume line there. And you're my future wife. Future husband, future husband or future wife. But yeah, so I mean I get where she's coming from and but I think it's a you know it's not like a deep arc you know in terms of her character but I do like where they were going with her character and then kind of seeing like, hey, the world does need us and not escaping away from her responsibilities. So I did like, I think they did give,

they beefed up her character a little bit more in this film. And I did, I thought that her acting definitely was a lot sharper in this film. You felt it within the first five minutes actually. Like, wow, you can like feel that intensity. And like she's she's definitely a lot more present right away. Well, I thought that she actually and no shade to Joan Griffith because I thought he was more engaging. Yeah, I thought his from the first movie to this movie.

You know, I think we said last time it's like Johnny and Ben were pretty well formed in the first movie to the point where like they were examples of things that were really working and where the performances were on point and all the other stuff going into them was pretty on point, too. And I feel like, yeah, we both shared that idea that that read and Sue were less engaging in the previous one and had less interesting stuff to do and all of that. And I again, liked Reed better here as well. I did.

Performance was better here. But I do think that it like Jessica Alba rose to the occasion to such an extent that that like not that she outshines or overshadows him necessarily, but like he is kind of at the back of the things that I am thinking about in terms of the main core four of them actually 100% yeah I still really really really really really really really love the interactions between Johnny and Ben they are so much fun and they have such great chemistry between them and there's a good time and there's a good job of balancing between the dramatic stuff and the comedy I think they do a great job of that I think Ben as I think we said it multiple times in the last review and when we were answering the questions he had the best emotional arc and just the arc in

general of the first film and was given the most like focus in the first film and in this one in terms of character. Wait, which one? Ben. Yeah, absolutely. And in terms of this film, I feel like his character did. Again, he was there, but like he's where much. Yeah, he didn't really like where was his arc? Like there was nothing like I don't really if I don't know. I'm OK with that only in so far as it was so striking in the first movie that

yeah, I guess his story was so tragic. Yeah, I guess that's a fair point. In this one, I was sort of like, oh, it's cool to just see him, you know, being able to enjoy being alive and having at least kind of his own energy back. And two, I mean, like I there were a lot of things I expected this movie to do to create conflict that it chose not to do, which I think is actually kind of a good thing. Like, you know, when they're switching the powers and all that stuff, it's a joy to see Michael Chiklis getting to, again, have fun in just his own form on screen.

But I like that they didn't have it be like, Oh, we got to switch forever. You know, like, give me back my life. You know, like he seems happy and adjusted to his life. And I do actually appreciate that. Yeah. No, no, no. I agree with that. I think it would have been repetitive if you do that. That terms of development again. But you could have given him something.

You could have given him something else is what I'm saying. But I think that's that's a problem in itself where it's very tough as a writer or writers. I saw there were multiple writers on this film. When you have an ensemble like this, you've got to focus on the Silver Surfer. They did do a better job with Sue and with Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic. And I also thought Johnny actually had a little bit of an arc himself, you know, in terms of like how narcissistic and how much of a solo act he is and then learning the camaraderie and, you know, the earnest of teamwork. So I bought the inter team conflict way more than I thought. A hundred percent. It was done a lot better personally myself. I've done this film and Johnny, I think it was a nice call to have it be such that Johnny is still fun and is still Johnny, but

is being challenged in certain ways and is actually being kind of knocked off of his, you know, cockiness horse, I guess I guess I'll say. You know, yeah, I liked that he was able to actually have some level of, you know, pathos, some level of emotion, some level of struggle that I believed and that allowed Chris Evans to show that, like, not only is he charming, not only can he do the sarcastic quipping and be sexy and all that stuff, but also, you know, like, he can bring the chops, the acting chops where it counts. And I feel like they felt way more like a family in this one. The action sequences definitely had more of a

group flavor that was fun. I have some gripes about the fact that in the first movie you don't really get the fully cohesive, we're finally all really synchronized as a team, but in this one, I thought we did get a good amount of those moments where and it was very satisfying at the end when they're like literally realizing we have to all do this together. But I thought even up till that point, there were nice instances of them doing it together. Yeah. Yeah. And also, too, they become very comfortable with their powers and just working together and all that.

So it actually felt somewhat heartbreaking, too, when Sue and when Reed decided that they wanna just live their own normal life away from the team. You know what I mean? So I thought that was created some, like you said, some inner conflict between the team and some drama. But yeah, I agree with you. And I guess the first film, you know,

had to deal with the issue of an origin story of five characters So that yeah, that's a tough prospect to do yeah So but but generally I think everybody cried prettier in this movie like everybody Everybody I think brought like the the half of the four that were already you know on point the first time around I thought we're still on point and got more stuff to do in that. Johnny got more challenge and definitely and Ben got more joy, which I think is really cool.

And then yeah. And then Sue and Reed were way more engaging this time, I thought. Like I didn't, again, dislike them. I like both of them as actors anyway. Like, I'm happy to watch them. So like I have nothing against them the first time, but they definitely were more of the bland side of that movie than the interesting side. And here they all felt like four equal pillars

of the team as it exists in the public eye, as well as their own interpersonal drama. For sure. Oh, sorry, sorry, I'm gonna go ahead, sorry. And I too, I like that they gave Reed and Sue something to do that was very, on the one hand, typical and relatable and that like, oh yeah, they're trying to get married

and stuff keeps getting in the way. But they, I think, didn't indulge too heavily in like the easiest version of that. Like I was kind of dreading that at the beginning in the club when they're doing the dance. 100%. And, you know, he's with the girls and of that. Like I was kind of dreading that at the beginning in the club when they're doing the dance 100 percent. And, you know, he's with the girls and all that stuff. And I like that they didn't make too big a thing out of that.

Like she's pissed when she shows up and she's, you know, obviously dismayed. But, you know, we don't spend the movie dwelling on that. It's not, you know, them bickering as much as it is just that it feels. Yeah, it feels more like them actually trying to work through a rough patch of their relationship and get to this, you know, lovely, blissful, you know, milestone that is their their marriage, their wedding. And I liked that drew me and I was initially wary of that because again, it can be very typical of a choice. But I thought that, again, with all the other things going on and the amount of time they spent on it,

I was pleasantly surprised that that helped me endear more to them. And I thought, you know, I've been given a lot of impressions about who Reed Richards is as a character, especially from Koi. You know, and I thought in this one, they did a little bit more to give him the sort of oblivious, but also like, you know, kind of headstrong and sort of arrogant, not fully,

like I feel like of all the characters, he was the one who to me, I felt like I got a better sense or like there was a more completed version of Reed happening part way through the movie. Like from the second Jessica Alba showed up, I was like, oh, oh, OK. Like we're leveling up. And with Reed, I was like, you know, he's still like kind of affable, charming guy. And then as the movie progressed and you see like, oh, OK, he can't help himself. And oh, you know, he's he's trying to, you know, do nice things for Sue, but really his attention is here.

And then when he's talking to Andre Brower, you know, he's he does. I think that's an instance of something that I get the impression in the comics is more prevalent all the time for this character. But when he that's a nice thing, I think that you can you can adapt for a movie that when you're introducing people to these characters. We're like, oh yeah, he needs to gain more of that outward confidence so that he can become

the guy who's like a bit too arrogant for his own good down the line. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, to see how standoffish and that people are constantly just like pushing themselves over him in the both films, to see him stand up for himself and for the team like that in such a confident and cool way yeah it was so much fun to

watch but and then to what you're saying too to like at some point and if there would have been more films like to get to a point where maybe you're too you're getting out for your own good that that would have been fun to watch too and just to see what's's the actor's name? You and- Yoann Griffith. Yoann Griffith. One day, maybe.

That would have been- Well, Welsh people, you can school us in the comments. Yes, yes. That would have been fun to see and play with if there were more films. But yeah, just to get that little glimmer of taste to see, that was, that was my personal favorite moment of in the two films.

Besides like some of the other interactions that we saw with Sue that he had in the film, especially at the end, where he was really embracing her possible death. I thought that was like, he really did a good job of like, I felt that in that moment, truly. But him standing up for himself and his team after being just pushed around in both films, mentally and physically, I thought that moment, truly. And but him standing up for himself and his team after like being just pushed around in both films, mentally and physically, I thought that was,

I really thought that was a really triumphant moment for the character, honestly. I really liked that. And also to what you're saying really quickly, and then we'll move on to the next question. I like what you said about, you know, in regards to Ben, like how, you know, he struggled all film in the first film and then, you know, in regards to Ben, like how, you know, he struggled all film, in the first film and then, you know,

with like accepting himself and then the second film like had a lot more joy in this. It kind of gave me a little bit of, in a parallel I would use, is like kind of Spider-Man 2 just struggling all film identity wise and like, oh my God, is this the life I really want? And then the third film before like all the symbiotes stuff and then Second I thought they were gonna do a spider-man 2 with Johnny and have it be like, oh no one's got their powers

Or he doesn't have his power instead of the switchy thing, which I think was another Fun way to create fun, but also to create a device that we can use later Yeah, but I did love that moment too at the end where he's got all four powers. I thought that was. Yeah, it was like super fun. It was used really well. This was well this this feels like it got an upgrade in every respect. Like and I again, like the first one was a fun time capsule and the first one was enjoyable in ways, but is much more clearly like a swing. And they landed somewhere part way to where they wanted to land and they didn't fully get there. And this feels like, again, I've said this a few times and I'm sort of shocked that it's only a two year difference because it just seems like everything got an injection of quality and resources right down to like the quality of the image,

like the camera, the choice of lenses. I don't know what it was. I don't know if they changed to like a finer film stock or something. If this was this seems like the era where we would still be shooting in film, just like everything felt a little bit more tangible. The CGI was much better. The practical and physical effects were blended. I think better. There were a lot of like neat. This is this kind of earlier phase of like, oh, OK, I'm looking at the image and in the back of my mind, I'm like, I can kind of see you trying to really make these sort of feel like storyboards

and panels and things like that. And you know, when you do move the camera, there's some level of, you know, cheeky or clever ingenuity to that. You know, it's like the language of the filmmaking, so to speak, got I felt like a lot more confident. Like everything about this one just felt much more confident and like well rounded. And the crying was prettier.

The dying was prettier. Yes, it was. Everything got in perfect death pose. This is a perfect display. Still better than Talia Gull. Oh, she's been out here on the Apology tour. Oh, she's Marianne Cotillard. She really? Yeah, she has addressed it.

She has said I didn't you know what? I'm the biggest Christopher. Oh, I wouldn't say the biggest, but I'm a diehard number one if there was a Spotify Love love love Christopher Nolan, but I've done one more take on that scene I am surprised that no one was like hey hey, hey, let's Mr. Nolan, should we just do one more take? Let's do a little bit more like this. Okay. Just one more, sir. Excellent. Now let's try a different take. Let's, let's, let's stretch this out. Yeah. Not saying I could have done that scene better, but anyways. Hey, hey, we remembered this time. Maurice Gray Jr. Thank you for stoking the fires of conversation for Fantastic Four. Did you like this iteration of Galactus from the Ultimate Comics line?

Or would you rather have seen the more traditional version, Andrew? Well, seeing as how I did not read the comics. Wow. I will say that. Yes. Nerd. Clearly. I will say yes. Clearly, I'm sorry. I will say this, the buildup of and I understand like we had a lot other things that were in this film, but the whole buildup of Galactus in this as this cosmic, you know, planet sucking entity.

And then we get a cloud at the end. I'm like, I don't know, kind of felt anti climactic a little bit for me. And let them Godzilla 2014. Yeah. But maybe not what I mean again, I'm not super attached to the comics, but it just I don't know what the new version is going to be like in the new movie. I do know the characters in it. So I guess like and at some point I'm gonna start reading the comics, so maybe I'll have a more attached

feeling, I'm just going off base what I saw in this movie. It just felt a little bit of a let down from that perspective, but what about you, how'd you feel? You know, I could definitely see what you're saying. I wasn't upset that we didn't get more of a traditional Galactus, partly because I think the sheer concept and scale of Galactus is like approaching the limits of, you know, threat in a universe like this. So given that, I actually for this watch anyway, really

enjoyed the way they did Galactus, partly because I liked the idea that they kind of portrayed it like a natural phenomenon or some kind of natural disaster. And I thought the way that they took what I understand to be the classic iconography of Galactus and at least, you know, paid paid homage to it or at least included it to some degree that worked for me. Like when you see a shadow across that moon or whatever, I was like, great, cool. Like they're not showing me the the giant impossible thing. Yeah. And Saturn was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. That whole Saturn thing like you. I thought it built up his power well. And I thought that because the silver surfer is compelling in his own way.

And I was, yeah. Yeah. Because like the silver surfer already feels formidable. And to like I am a viewer watching this with the knowledge that, you know, much of the point of the silver surfer is to herald the arrival of Galactus. So, like, you know, I imagine if you don't know that there's a bigger sense of perhaps tension or maybe not, because then you have this other entity to think about who, you know, you don't know much about.

I'm you know, I can feel that going either way. But but generally, you know, you get that little through the cloud, and there's lightning. And you see the shape of his head and face. And for me, that was enough, at least for this. And I felt like, too, it was probably smart to make a lot of the conflict, like the balancing of the interpersonal turmoil

between the main four with this physical threat. And it seemed like they had enough to do. And there was like enough going on. It seemed like appropriately chaotic to the point where, yeah, I don't think showing classic Galactus a ton would be the best thing to do for this. I don't know how the new movie is going to treat it. And I can absolutely understand.

And I couldn't really argue if you wanted to see more or see that classic take. But I thought that, yeah, this did this split the difference in a pleasing way for me. I mean, I don't know if it's even about seeing more. Just again, all the buildup I just. There's more time dealing with collective. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Actually, I just think I just think with how it ended, it was just a little bit of a letdown. It's a day of sex silver surfer. Yeah, it's a silver little bit anticlimactic. Yeah, it begs that question. If the silver surfer hadn't done that, then what? But you know, but thank God he did. But to your point, I do agree and I was going to go there as well that the silver surfer I thought was done in a cool way just visually and also it was really emotionally resonant and it was really compelling. I

did like his motivations. I like that the reason he does this is not he's a mustache twirling evil villain. It's hey, he's trying to protect himself and he's protecting his wife or whatever he's a tragic figure. And I can understand where he's coming from, perspective-ly. And, you know, also the way that, you know, Sue saw the humanity in him, and she sacrificed herself for him, not knowing, like, a great deal about him, but, like, showing her humanity towards him as well. I thought that was, like, enough to give an emotional boost and enough of an arc for him to have an understanding of why human life is so important to preserve and to save. I thought that was compelling in itself as well. But from the Galactus perspective, I just would have liked a little bit more. I still enjoyed the Silver Surfer enough to go, it did. It wasn't the worst thing in the world.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It leaves you with certain questions like, OK, well, thanks for having this change of heart on Earth, but also like, you know, what of every other planet out there? And they didn't have they didn't have someone that could, you know, cry pretty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all it took. And to then you're like, OK, so did you just take care of Galactus?

Could you have done this the whole time? Like, what happened to him? I like that we get that tease at the end of like, oh, the silver surfer is waking up. And even the way they did some of that stuff, like they were good at throwing things away, I think, largely in a in a nice way where it's like, OK, they're doing the thing, but it's not like spotlit center of frame, you know. And and this isn't really a Galactus thing necessarily, but I will say just because we were there I thought this

This is a good example of something that like sells a wacky effect like the stretching Just by the strength of other things being good around it that you can kind of more willingly Suspend your disbelief and I thought like the it's a good example I think in at least certain instances that the concept of what the motion is supposed to be, you know, can make up for a lot. Even if we are all sitting here going, I know, you know, this dance looks a little kooky and quirky, but like a couple of times. But but even so, like you get that, like it's a it's one of those effects where you're like, I get it. This is among the hardest effects to achieve.

I want to look 100 percent not what you want it to look like in some way, shape or form. And I thought that, yeah, because more things about this worked overall. I think it opened up the space for them to get more creative, have more fun with that and to make that something that I wasn't sort of like dreading to see, but more like, Oh, I can't wait to see what other thing they come up with. And seeing Johnny get stretchy and all that stuff. Well, that's also why I didn't like shit all over when we were watching it in real time. I didn't go, that looks freaking terrible. I just said, that looks interesting.

Just because like I was trying to be nice about it. But I understand like how difficult it is. And I liked what they were trying to go for. Yeah, it's not like this movie felt like they really like fixed some or, you know, solved what I imagine may have been some problems the previous time. They probably, you know, you get a second crack at it. And the first movie probably taught them a bunch about like, OK, how do we do the fire effects with Johnny Storm, which was already

one of the better looking effects in the first movie. But like Sue Storm, that in the first one looked a lot more like, oh, you're you're doing some kind of post production warping effect. Whereas here, I really believe that they did photography and then through, you know, light spectrums and blah, blah, blah, and color correction and all sorts of other, you know, splicing of imagery. They were able to sell that in a way that looked way more tangible and interesting. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

I had a segue back out of that. But yeah, Galactus, I'm OK with it. It's not perfect, I guess I would say. But and there is a bit of a Deus Ex surfer about. And yeah, yeah, but also but also I appreciate it. And just the last thing, I'm very interested once we see the new film, how we're going to feel about the contrast of how it was used in the new film how we're gonna feel about the contrast Sure in the new film versus like how he was used here. It's gonna be fascinating to see

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Fantastic for rise of the Silver Surfer, Andrew and John. Okay. Doug Jones is the body of the surfer. What is your favorite Doug Jones movie? Cameo alert! Stan Lee. Trying to get into the wedding ceremony. Is that Stan Lee? Who's Stan Lee? I have no idea. What does that mean in this universe? We will have to look it up. Is there just a guy called Stan Lee that has an inflated sense of importance, or are Marvel comics also out there? And they're just history's chronicling

what's already happened. Should I quiz John on name an MCU film? And he has to guess who Stanley played in that movie? Name any MCU film. Yeah, you could. You could try it. Captain America Civil War. Captain America Civil War Captain America Civil War All right. He was buffing the floor is

Tony stank here Tony stank the FedEx sure is the FedEx man. I beefed that one. Yeah, it's Tony Stanks right here For Doug Jones hi Billy you guess you could go hocus pocus Dude good call that was probably the first Doug Jones hi Billy you guess you could go hocus pocus Good call that was probably the first Doug Jones. I ever saw You can't not mention Abe's apiens, but I feel like we should go with like I haven't seen that movie That'd be good reaction. Yeah, I thought you watched hellboy. Oh hell boy. I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about not Abe's apian I thought you were talking about what's it called shape shape of water row sorry i've seen hellboy on the channel i've seen hellboy one and two on the ground i love those movies i love those movies tara is the one who forgets yeah i was gonna say you you're the one who remembers these things sorry my bad thank you for calling me out and i was trying to get

engaged i was trying to get engagement down i was trying to get engagement down below no it's good um i would say i guess hellboy one and two are up there. I would say Hocus Pocus, Batman Returns would be one. He played one of Penguin's clowns. Sure, sure. I would say that. He's been in tons of stuff. I remember we saw him at the, was it the Prey premiere? He was like right in front of me.

I was like, yeah. Oh my God. Well, and everybody always front of me. I was like, yeah Well, and everybody always says he's like the most sweet sprightly. Yeah, no he was I could tell he was really kind He's very cool stuff. I mean like anything he does with Guillermo obviously is very cool Yeah, what's the what's the one I was thinking of the shape of water? That's the one I haven't seen And I think he just has like a generic descriptor name. He doesn't like a name name in that movie I need to see that one And I think he just has like a generic descriptor name. He doesn't like a name name in that movie. I need to see that one. Oh, his best one is Gay Robot from six episodes of Pretend Time.

OK, I'll then that's if you say so. We'll go with Gay Robot. Oh, he's in quarantine with our favorite Jennifer Carpenter. Oh, out Dexter. I wonder if his credit is thin infected man. I wonder if he's credit is thin infected man. I wonder if he's supposed to be the like, you know, he's the do the one that the other what's his name? Javier, the the other really skinny guy that I mean,

I haven't seen Pan's labyrinth, but everyone has seen the pale man. I've never seen Pan's labyrinth either. And that's very cool. Is that a film for us to react to? You should watch it sometime. Men in Black 2. OK. Yeah, man. The best men in black movie.

He's also in Monkey Bone, which. Oh, yeah. The best was a Henry Selig film. Yeah. Yeah. Better than Nightmare Before Christmas, better than James and the Giant Peach. Oh, dude.

OK. The gentleman, when he's one of the gentlemen in the Hush episode of Buffy, that was pretty, pretty great. I saw that show, too. Okay. The gentleman when he's one of the gentlemen in the hush episode of Buffy Oh pretty pretty I saw that show In Cal he's in Kenan. Oh my god. Oh, he's in mimic He played a waiter in Keenan and Cal is crazy I wonder if that was like a fun Easter egg or if he was just like out here trying to get man return If this was would have been early on in his career. He on episode of in living color also damn not bad not bad I think

I yeah I mean I guess you're gonna go with hellboy one and two what do you because you already said Billy Butcherson I guess I'll go with Batman Returns so you can go with Hocus Pocus okay all right there we go yeah there we go that's only fair to my inner child, and I love the line that he says in Batman Returns where he goes great speech Oswald My name is Oswald. It's penguin You thought Doug Jones and Danny DeVito were here, but you're stuck with me Yeah, the flash to your bang is that do we have any more questions? I think that's it for today. I think that's it for up for our royal.

I just want to cry pretty here. OK, I know we got it. We got to take a class or two so we can get over the thumbnail. Anyways, guys, thank you for the questions. If you would like to interact with us, join our Patreon and be royal reject. We will night you on the spot. You have any other stray thoughts on the film before you quiz me? Well, before I get to some stuff the stuff, I actually, look, is it one of the best comic book movies I've ever seen now?

But I really enjoyed this film. There were some good inner conflicts between the team. I enjoyed a lot of the visuals in it. I thought, you know, The Silver Surfer had a pretty compelling storyline as well. I actually liked Doom in this one as well. I thought, I know we didn't really talk about him at all, Julian McMahon RIP. That I will say that is an element of the movie that I wish was stronger. Okay, fair enough. I liked him a lot. Yeah, I thought I thought his

performance, I was gonna say I thought his performance was good. I think the part that I didn't like in it, he was fine. I just didn't like, and I get it, it's a world ending event. We need to exhaust all resources. But I'm like, this is the dude that, like was the main villain of the first movie. How are we just gonna trust him outright? I wanted them to make an argument for that

is what I really wish was gonna happen. That was, and I said that while we were reacting. I know people are like probably going to be in the comments. You've seen the movie. How dare you like me? I really didn't remember. It's been so long. And I've said that a few times. But that was really getting under my skin. Actually, I'm like, why are you trusting this guy? Well, it's like I liked early on that they were building him up. And I I think it would have been cooler because when he shows back up finally when he actually is like revealed on screen and his face is back together you're like ooh you know the

I liked it it foreshadows like okay so surfer can fix people I thought there was some kind of like trickery or some kind of temporary solution happening there but again I feel like a big complaint I gather and that we also echoed from the first movie was that, yeah, he's you're taking this character who is this brilliant mind and who is this is a figure. If I understand correctly, it seems like Dr. Doom much of the time is nefarious and, and, you know, villainous, but also not always and always probably has some kind of point or some kind of logic that is more about, you know, that's more far reaching and foresighted than what we get here.

Like I was in the first half of the movie sort of feeling like, OK, they're sort of like also taking some constructive criticism about this character. And, you know, even in the brief glimpses we got of him in Light Veria, out in the desolation on his own, and he's taking this meeting with the surfer, and then he comes in. And I was like, I think this could have been interesting if you had, and maybe they didn't have time to do this,

but some element where they're like, yeah, we can't trust this guy, but I guess we have to kind of work together. And I would have loved if they actually just let that be what it is. Like, I think you can end the movie still in a place where it's like, we are not friends. We are not like allies necessarily. But today we were my enemy is my friend, something like that. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like we we are in this moment of shared conflict that's bigger than either of us. And hey, yeah, maybe a character like Doom has a reason to want to handle approach and or learn from Galactus in a different way than the four would. And maybe that's part of the key of why they're not again, like buddies at the end. But yeah, like I almost felt like, man, if we could actually maneuver into a situation where it's like we do have to work together and that's just what it is, that could have been, again, more interesting and done the character justice and done Julian McMahon justice, because I feel like he fully had the capability

to be a great what I've heard Dr. Doom described as quintessentially. And I feel like the writing very much sort of made him. It's weird. In the first half of the movie, I was like, this is a kind of cool buildup. Like, yeah, it's not the point. He's not the main villain, but, you know, he's this variable. He's wild card. And I don't know if I can trust him or not.

And I like, you know, that feeling of it's like a Lex Luthor thing where you're like, probably we can't trust this guy. It's typically how it goes. But I don't know. This time he's got a convincing argument. And if they if they could just make him smarter, like if they can make him a smart character, that this could have been that much greater. And if they if they could just make him smarter, like if they can make him a smart character, this could have been that much greater.

And I feel like in the second half of the movie, once it becomes once you get like a scene or two with him, you're like, oh, okay, fine. You're going to do the predictable thing and you're going to again kind of just be nefarious business guy rather than again some you know I Don't know diabolical genius. Yeah, I mean you could even like yet We had the fantastic four they kind of knew not to trust him fine I was cool with that and that you could even had it might have slowed the pace of the film down But even just do a moment or two like you have the really hot blonde Bo Garrett and Andre just do a moment or two. Like you have the really hot blonde Bo Garrett and Andre Brower. Sorry. You have just a quick little scene like, hey, I really don't trust this guy at all.

He might even try to betray us, but we need him to solve this, to help Richards, whatever. I thought too, like, again, I understand there's a lot of different. Well, that's fine. That's fine. We're still good. I understand there's a lot of different things already happened. Something else you could have done is, again, I don't know a ton about the character from the comics, but like he's really like from this this revelation and moment that he has with the Silver Surfer and like he's changing back to himself. Maybe he does actually want to become good or even like you have this like he's trying to change.

Yeah, he's trying to change and be more. And then, like, I don't know, something happens in the film or like, no, now like the craving to buy. I don't know. There's just something else you could have done. It's just this felt very formula like the way he was used here. He's one of the most formulaic things. And I thought what they were going to do was basically react

to the first movie and have him again shipped back to Latveria all on his own, but also now able to kind of see in a whole new way, you know, the world around him and to think much bigger and to, yeah, shed the like petty business guy shit and actually, you know, again, rise to that genius level and to become like a singular figure. Because again, I feel like they had all the ingredients to do that. And it sort of feeling like he would somehow, even though he's not the main villain, somehow walk out of this movie feeling more dangerous and formidable, even though he may have helped us save this particular day.

And I will say, like when he steals the board and becomes, you know, a more fully fledged physical Incarnation of doom I thought it was cool look neat to look at and you know the design the costume the props and all That were that did look yeah cool, and when I said I like doom earlier I just I meant like the performance by Julian McMahon like he was menacing he was fun to watch But the character could have been written a lot better Yeah, and it's like they took the time to be like, OK, instead of just making this a sort of like physical like, oh God,

there's this silver surfer and we got to fight him. But then we got to learn that we don't have to fight him. We got to fight Galactus. Like they made it sort of like a family slash like public drama that also has a bunch of, you know, whimsical superhero stakes happening around it. And the only person exempt from all that that seems a bunch of, you know, whimsical, super hero stakes happening around it. And the only person exempt from all that that seems like kind of just stapled in from the first movie is do.

It feels like it didn't. The one element that only got upgraded surficially, I would say, costume wise. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, let's go. Yeah. All right. Rotten Tomatoes. But let us know in the comments what you think of the film.

I actually enjoyed it for the most part, though. But let us know what do you think Rotten Tomatoes critics just start with one. What was the first movie? It was like 20, 20 something percent. Right. Give me give me one second. I will get that in a half a second for you. Not that this is going to help. This is probably just going to throw me off more.

So, you know, we'll see how we get how we do. Rotten Tomatoes. Let's see. probably just going to throw me off more. So, you know, we'll see how we get how we do. Rotten Tomatoes. Let's see. All I hear is the who wants to be a million. So the first movie on the first movie was 27 percent from the critics and 45 from the audience. OK. First film. OK. Twenty seven forty five. Second film. Let's just do thirty nine percent. Hey, I highballed it by two and I'll take that thirty seven percent.

I think it should have gotten a little bit. I think it should have at least gotten forty five percent. Yeah. What do you think the audience gave it? Forty five percent. Fifty fifty. five percent fifty fifty. I'm going fifty. Fifty one. Damn, you were so close on both of them. I'll take it. I'm back.

I'm back. So for two thousand seven, what what budget do you think this movie got? One hundred twenty million dollars. One hundred thirty. All right. Cool. You're pretty close today. It felt it showed. Hey, they put it on screen this felt like like The the like somebody wiped the fog off the window from the first movie to the second movie

And then let's see how good you are in this one or close you get rather Worldwide budget box-off excuse me. Oh, they make another one. They rebooted this afterwards worldwide box 200 million Box off, excuse me. They make another one. They rebooted this afterwards. Worldwide box off. 200 million. 301 million, 913,131 hairs. That's not too bad. I mean, it's not amazing by now standards. We said it's $130 million budget.

They probably did $115 million on marketing. So it probably made maybe a little bit. I made just a little bit. Like, that's not enough to justify making a third film. And also it wasn't it wasn't critically praised. And it was not audience praised. So I thought this was a market improved. I did most ways.

I enjoyed the film. But also, yeah, I could see how like they definitely. What was the first one like 100 million? So they pumped at least 30 more million into this and probably wanted to see bigger returns than Breaking about the same if I recall is the first time Okay, just do a couple here for Every single one for my heart be done in an hour for Michael chicklis's performance as thing a new set of prosthetics hour. For Michael Chiklis's performance as Thing, a new set of prosthetics were developed. These prosthetics were easier for Chiklis to wear as they provided better ventilation and could be easily

removed in comparison to the previous film's prosthetics which required six hours to apply and were uncomfortable and could not be easily removed. Yeah, I bet. Jesus. Jessica Alba wore a blonde wig. Oh, I couldn't tell because her hair had suffered from all the bleaching in Fantastic Four 2005. OK, not a bad call. Oh, hey, you know, it's not as prolific as the wigs in the next one. So Jessica Alba, upon receiving criticism about her performance in this film said that the director Tim Story told her and I quote It looks too real. It looks too painful

Can you can you be prettier when you cry cry pretty Jessica? Don't do that thing with your face Just make it flat. We can do CGI. We can CGI the tears in and go I We can do CGI. We can CGI the tears in and I Mean, that's not what you want to hear I get the I get the idea that we tonally need to move away from yeah Like heartbreaking realism and maybe pull it back a bit But also like we can we can see G the emotion in later is a little is a little savage The studio hated dr. Doom's makeup, so he remains hidden under a cowl in most of his early scenes.

OK, OK, but we can the studio hated the makeup. The studio hated Dr. Doom's makeup. Wow. The four scenes were shot in the exact same force as was used in the first three X-Men films. Let's go. I thought I recognized those woods. Yeah, I'm assuming. I'll check in a half in a second.

Originally, Laurence Fishburne was keen to provide the voice for Galactus. He happily switched to make the role of the Silver Surfer when it was decided to make Galactus mute. That was like I thought that good call on making Galactus mute and also a nice marriage of voice and physical performance. Again, sometimes that's more distracting when I'm so aware of, again, two prolific, Laurence Fisherman, prolific recognizable voice,

Doug Jones, prolific physical performer. I thought that worked nice. Absolutely. Originally, Nick Fury was going to be in this film, but he was written out of the script and replaced with General Hager. Fury would eventually appear in the Marvel cinematic universe opposite Chris Evans, who played Steve Rogers, Captain America. Just imagine if they had had Andre Brower be an agent Nick Fury.

Right. Let's see. Stan Lee at around the 19 minute mark as a guest who has refused entry to the Fantastic Wedding. This is taken from an issue of the 1960s Fantastic Four comic where at Reed Richards and Susan Storm's wedding, Stan Lee and series artist Jack Kirby are turned away from the wedding in a blatant breaking of the fourth wall, which was very rare in the mainstream Marvel Comics universe. That's fun. Nice for their wedding day. Yeah, that, that's.

That's all the interesting stuff. Last one. Sorry. We love at around 54 minute mark, Reed's speech to General Hager about being a good little nerd is taking nearly verbatim from Ultimate Extinction number two where he was speaking to Nick Fury. Let's go Nick Fury.

Well, we mentioned that was Andre Brower. Nick Fury released the Brower cut. Yes. We mentioned that was Andre Brauer Nick Fury released the Brower cut. So we mentioned that was one of our favorite Reed Richards moments. So that's cool that that was a verbatim scene. I'm sure Coy when he saw that in theaters like holy crap. He got the right blend of like confidence and a little bit of the arrogance. Yeah totally. Yeah. Well well timed arrogance. Yeah. No. And like I liked him coming like out of his shell if you

will. You know in that moment was like, yes. Well, and 100 percent. And credit to Andre Brower, because that is it's like he's so compelling to watch in almost any context. Like that could have easily been a like for all intents and purposes. It's one of the more generic roles by design. And yet every time he was on screen, I'm like, oh, like, thinking back on this movie, I would probably be like, oh, yeah, Andre Broward is still very good because he takes that stuff and just makes it live. You know, he breathes life into it.

And I'm so I'm glad for all of the stuff of his that we get to share in. But I'm also just reminded of how sad the loss is because like again, he really showed up and he was great actor. Yeah, he was very good in this, actually. I'm glad you mentioned that's a good call. Anyways, if you have stuck with us this long, we appreciate you. Let us know in the comments what you think of Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer. Whoo. I imagine next we are doing Fant4Stick.

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