The Reel Rejects - HALLOWEEN KILLS (2021) IS A BRUTAL MIDDLE CHAPTER! MOVIE REVIEW!

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Starting point is 00:00:42 So let's do it. Tara, count us in. I try to say count and Tara at the same time. Three, two, one. I did it. All right. Citizens of the Reject Nation. We just watched Halloween kills 2021. It is the second of the three David Gordon Green movies. I believe he did the last one. I'm not sure about that, actually. Let's see. Did he do Halloween? Ends before I say that. We're going to be talking about this movie, just giving you guys our thoughts in general. But before we do that, don't forget, while you are on Apple or Spotify, you're whispering out loud, babe. Sorry, I was just counting the questions.

Starting point is 00:01:26 Sorry. My bad. Well, you're on Apple's Spotify. Give us that five star. Thank you to Prepper for helping edit us down. And if you could go follow us at Real Rejects, we post all that extra juice there. Yeah, he did do all the Halloween ends also.

Starting point is 00:01:42 So he did all three of these. In comparison to the last one we saw, and also just in general, Tara, how are you feeling about Halloween kills? Not great. the last one was my favorite this one didn't the writing i don't know why it changed so much very mellow dramatic in some parts uh it was and like a lot of exposition i don't feel great about it but i didn't i definitely didn't hate it there's worse

Starting point is 00:02:13 Halloween movies out there i think that i dislike more but there was just so many times during the movie that i was like why why is that what who who said yep keep that in what do you think the answer to that is like that they maybe had less time or yeah must have like my assumption is they had um such good reviews such good welcoming from the 2018 one that maybe they were like all right let's hurry up and write another script and film it ASAP um and didn't take as much time to make it great so remember last time I I was like, yeah, I remember liking this trilogy. And then as we were talking about it,

Starting point is 00:02:57 I was like, actually, I kind of remember not liking the other ones as much as this one. And then the second this started, and I remember this was the evil dies tonight when I was like, oh, I know that I had issues with this. But it did land better watching it after seeing everything. Yeah. The second time I watched it, then it did the first time.

Starting point is 00:03:14 So just for reference point, Tara, yeah. The first Halloween 2018, the one we watched yesterday. Yeah. That has a 79% on the tomato meter. Okay. And a 72% on the popcorn meter. Okay.

Starting point is 00:03:29 This movie, Halloween kills, has a 38 on the tomato meter and a 66 on the popcorn meter. All right. So they're with me. The next one, Halloween ends, has a 40 on the tomato meter and a 57 on the popcorn meter. So on the popcorn meter, the next one is the worst. It's the worst one. Of the three. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:49 And this one is the worst. the tomato meter got it so that's not a great sign i don't remember Halloween ends at all so i'm curious if i actually did see that one this one i remembered a lot it's interesting how much i did remember because right usually i forget a lot of movies and there are a lot of memorable things little john and big john in this the man who jumps out the window that was so upsetting i honestly kind of like they didn't do that i know that was like that was really sad and like and then we didn't like deal with it we didn't like talk about it afterwards i just don't like when they introduced big concepts like that and then it's like not a

Starting point is 00:04:23 kind of a throwaway. Yeah. But the dynamic of the women I still love Will Patton still does great. So there was some good stuff. Should we get to some Patreon questions and see what they want to know from us? Okay, thank you to our patrons for submitting these. We are now taking, I believe, the first eight. So yes, we'll see how this goes. Let's start with Madlove. Madlove says Halloween kills. Many people didn't like the fact that

Starting point is 00:04:47 Michael and Lori never interact in this film. I disagree. I believe this was intentional to further solidify the fact that Lori is not Michael's target. His goal has always been to get home. Do you think this was a good choice or do you think there was a way to solidify it while still having a scene with them together? Solidify it while they're... I didn't really mind it that they didn't have a scene together because the whole movie before was like yeah was was them a lot that didn't bug me um i think even though in the first one

Starting point is 00:05:27 in multiple ones even though we're not counting those he's always wanted to go home that was like his place like where he always went back i don't know if it has to be separate that it's only that he wanted to get home and he doesn't want to get actually lorry i think it could be both well in this movie they say that it's not and i i think that's an interesting choice because we did see so many movies where when when lorry was his sister of course it makes sense that he's after her specifically right so i do like for this it's not about her it's about getting home but i do think then it there's a lot of weird coincidences of like why he's so after like because i know that he doesn't choose to go to her house but once he gets there he's like

Starting point is 00:06:08 really gung-ho on stay in there you know so that didn't feel like somebody who wanted to go home and felt like somebody who wanted to kill the three girls in the house exactly so you know even though they say, even though Frank says in this one, it's not about you, Lori. It, like, still feels like it is a little bit about her. So because of that, I do think that this movie definitely suffers from them not having a scene together. To me, I've told you guys, this franchise is,

Starting point is 00:06:29 it's about two people. It's about Lori Stroves, about Michael Myers, and they weren't on screen together this time. Totally. And, like, honestly, he would remember that she's a babysitter that went after him. So why wouldn't you want to kill her? Right.

Starting point is 00:06:39 Like, duh. Mike, Joyce in the house, do you think it was a strange choice to turn Michael Myers into a supernatural figure in the original Halloween, he only kills a handful of people, but now he's practically immortal and wipes out entire group. I'm not sure why they felt the need to make that change, hashtag evil ties tonight. I don't feel like it was a big change, because even in the first movie, while he only

Starting point is 00:07:01 kills five people, he gets shot with a gun like 10 times. And I know that 50 Cent has also been shot many times, and he is mere mortal. But I think that he always has been kind of had these supernatural abilities, especially yeah especially not that these ones count in this but in some of them where he kills like 80 people there was that one that we hated were using the house with um buster rhymes truck a treat motherfucker yeah what was the name of that i don't remember that all i remember that when he came back to life like 10 times or something totally um so it didn't feel like that big of a shift but and i don't know that they're fully making him super natural as much as freddie

Starting point is 00:07:40 as much as uh jason as also like swamp boy and michael feel very comparable to me yeah i absolutely agree i don't think it's a change at all he was always super natural uh the fact that you know he fell from balcony was shot six times and then he's gone um and multiple multiple times you know get hurt and always just you're waiting for him to go whoop like that's just his thing so if he if he could get killed you'd be like but why now but why now why now like he what he had there was so much so I don't think it's that that they're making him into a supernatural figure I think it's kind of always existed that way and tonight yeah he kind of went ham on it but yeah that's just the film R.C Flores many people didn't like Halloween kills for a variety

Starting point is 00:08:35 of reasons there are some frustrating plot points but I liked it Michael's living his fantasy in this one collecting bodies work this installment also brings back Lots of characters from Halloween 1978, including Tommy. Tommy. Lots of people don't like Tommy in this movie and were not upset when Michael kills him. What are your thoughts on Tommy

Starting point is 00:08:54 and his incitement of this town's hysteria? How do you feel, Tara? Yeah, I wasn't... I see what you're saying. Where they were not upset. Me neither. I did think it was a little weird when you think it's stand up

Starting point is 00:09:13 And he goes up there to go, I'm going to tell the story of Michael Myers and get these people on my side. I'm like, I didn't, that's fine. And the rest of it, of him sort of inciting a crowd and, you know, the poor guy jumps to his death. That totally sucked. He didn't know that he was doing that. I didn't like dislike him that much, Tommy, that much. I think he's a great actor. But I also wasn't sad when he died, which I should have been if we're,

Starting point is 00:09:42 you know linking him to the kid from back before we should have some sort of pull to like when those characters die and I was just like yeah well I really liked that we brought back the more than just Lori you know I love that because we left a couple of kids alive so I love that Tommy's character comes back I love that Lindsay which is Kyle Richards character comes back I I love that we've got these work these people that have come back I think that's so cool that they still wanted to be part of the franchise. I didn't, uh, I thought that the, that Tommy's character was really frustrating because he is so gung-ho, like he's like, I just fought him in the car and chased him off.

Starting point is 00:10:23 And it's like, no, you didn't, bro. Like, he's just so one-track minded. He's like, that's Michael and I'm going to kill him. And it's just like, exactly, what? Like, you have no, like, this is, you don't have stake in this as much. I know you had, knew him as a kid, but like, take a minute. And I, and Lori has been training for this moment. you haven't been training your whole life for this so exactly he reminds me of uh hothead a little

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Starting point is 00:12:12 Speed may slow about 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Taxes and fees. Exorcet mobile for details. Thanks, Minmobile for converting me. James Henry the second. Halloween kills. For me, this movie is always going to be, this could have been an email.

Starting point is 00:12:21 Ah ha ha! With this being the third film in the timeline, Halloween 1, Halloween 2018, and now this, Michael only killed four people in the original Halloween movie that May Night do grew the town being haunted by him for 40 years and forming a mob a mob to get rid of him.

Starting point is 00:12:37 I feel like they're angered tort him is valid if Halloween 2 through H2O was canon in this timeline. I definitely see what you're saying. Like, you know, there were, there was a murder in my town last year. My, my, the city that I'm from is literally every year voted the safest city in America. And it's like such a safe place to live. And this guy walked into the, these elderly people's house, he thought they were at church. They weren't.

Starting point is 00:13:05 And he killed them. and then yeah and we like all still talk about it like every day like constantly are bringing it up so I do feel like it is and I don't know if we will be in 40 years but I do feel like it's kind of realistic when you're from a town like Haddonfield right where like if they're if you're from a smaller town or like you're from a place that's deemed safe where things like this don't really happen then I don't know if for 40 years people are talking about it all the time and we see like a lot of people don't know this as legend they're like was that real was it not But I do think it's realistic that there's like an eerie vibe to the town for a long time. Yeah, I agree. I think, you know, I get what you're saying, James, but also we have to remember in the last movie, it not only did he get out, we know he's Michael Myers. He killed his sister at the age of nine cuckoo freaking bananas, but he also broke out and killed the other inmates.

Starting point is 00:14:02 Some of them, that was obviously on the news, and the news was building it up, the movie previously to be like he's out and about and he's like kind of on a on a going rampant with murders even though he didn't kill that many people in the last movie but i can understand why now the town seeing the news where they're at that this guy's out and about that they're like yeah we got we got to get rid of him it it makes sense maybe not as much of like there's so many people at the hospital that are like let's go and get him like it's like why that's a little wild, but I also do kind of get it. Sean Fleming, Roxanne and Tara, my favorite scream queens.

Starting point is 00:14:45 Do you know that evil dies tonight? I remember being so excited to watch this after Blumhouse crushed the first of the trilogy. They really did. Unfortunately, this is a middle-of-the-road movie and franchise for me. I think they nailed the mob mentality with Big John Littlejoner and Big John and Littlejogh are hilarious and they have some awesome kill scenes. Like the scene with the firefighters was badass. uh that was cool yeah it's uh but the movie falls short what's your favorite kill scene and how do you feel about this as a follow-up i think sean that that was like such an accurate you just named all of the

Starting point is 00:15:16 things totally that big john and little john were awesome that they did kill it with the mob mentality um even though it was really sad they they nailed that that there were some good kill scenes including the firefighter one but ultimately the movie falls short that you just named all the things yeah totally the guy who got the knife to the eye i don't like that eyeball one that was disgusting but great practical effects on that and the knife to the eye was also a really good practical effect and obviously we already know my opinion on this film i think that it was really weird that we killed off um judy greer at the end like that that didn't check out to totally sucks we didn't even get like yeah that just didn't work for me so that was my leisure

Starting point is 00:15:58 also i was like why are you going in that house right now yeah that doesn't make sense yeah no Leon 3 Many of the original actors From the first movie Returns except for the original actor of Tommy Doyle Oh okay so that was somebody different Nurse Marion already appeared In Halloween 1938

Starting point is 00:16:16 H2, 1981, H20 H2O And also killed in the last timeline Oh in that timeline That's interesting I forgot about that Do you all think the movie was the proper reunion For these legacy actors and their characters I don't think we've kind of

Starting point is 00:16:33 yeah i don't i don't like the movie i don't think it was great so i don't think it's like necessary proper reunion but for the actors to come back together for people to appreciate and go like oh yeah it's this person this person that's it's nice i just wish it would have been a better movie because like then those actors would be like yeah yeah yeah i'm in the i'm in that the remake or whatever or the the sequel but they'd probably be going around town talking about it if it was really good, but it's not. Agreed. All right.

Starting point is 00:17:08 Let's go. We have a couple more. Let's address. Awesome. Joe, the flashback to how Michael was captured and arrested felt very much like a deleted scene or an alternate ending for the original film, especially the brief performance of the look-like actor for Dr. Loomis.

Starting point is 00:17:23 Was that a look like? There's no way he looked identical. Right. As if it was actually him, would you guys like to see another interpretation of an actor who has passed and having a lookalike perform in the same way that the original actor did. Wow. I mean, he looked exactly like him. There must have been kind of maybe what they did on stranger things, like that it was a

Starting point is 00:17:47 person who looked like 11, but they also did face stuff over that face to make it look exactly. Yeah, they must have because I'm trying to look right now. There's no. I mean, and the voice like. was great sounded like Loomis so okay okay all right so this guy's name is Tom Jones Jr. What's his picture look like? His picture looks a little bit like Loomis.

Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah. Okay. Wow. Wow. They did a look like that. They did a really good job with that. Yeah, they did a really good job. And the voice was done by Colin Mayhan.

Starting point is 00:18:25 Ah, there we go. There we have it. Because I was like, no, not the original guy that's. No, no, I know for this guy. the lookalike there was a voice actor attached right yeah oh because you were thinking they you couldn't possibly have that voice and that look I know you're saying yeah there's no way you're when you're like auditioning for a lookalike you're like I don't know if they're going to be good or not but also there's no way you're going to sound just like him and that guy really did

Starting point is 00:18:51 so who else who's passed would you want that for um I don't really think that I would necessarily want that for i i i think that they're going to have a really hard time on this next season of euphoria explaining what happened with angus cloud's character so i don't know maybe it would be helpful for one episode to have it so that there's an ending yeah yeah i don't really feel like uh like i need that i can't really think of an example right now but i will say that i'm glad that you gave us that piece of like trivia because i didn't i thought it was like old footage or a cg i It looked amazing. It looked really good.

Starting point is 00:19:30 Sounded just like him. Nice job on that. D.K. Lounge. Who was your favorite edition in this movie? Mine is Big John Little John. And do you never want to hear the phrase Evil Dice tonight ever again? Correct. Correct.

Starting point is 00:19:45 And also I also yes. And yes to Big John Little John. Yeah. Perfect. You got it. You nailed it. Because like any of the other, oh, besides the bartender, I did love him. But besides everyone else, I kind of was like,

Starting point is 00:19:58 Yeah, whatever. There's some corny lines that they throw in there. But Big John Lujon, I like that. It was like Marco Polo. Let's take one more question. Yeah. This one's going to come from Jay. Thank you, Jay, for this.

Starting point is 00:20:12 Jay says Halloween kills. Hi, Tara and Roxy, sending you. Don't move it. Love from all the way from the Caribbean and Granada. That's cool. Your reactions bring me so much joy and horror Thursdays, even better when I see you both. Yay.

Starting point is 00:20:27 Love it. Do you think Halloween kills? would have hit harder if the film focused more on Lori's recovery and trauma rather than the mob storyline. Yeah, I mean, there's parts in this movie where they're saying things and things are happening where I believe their idea is that the audience

Starting point is 00:20:53 would get emotional or feel something and I didn't. So, sure, if we hung back, and focus more on her recovery sure but then if there was a lack of action attached to that that wouldn't be great but I'm sure that there would be a good writing move around that to make still a really good story in her overcoming what just happened and also finding out that Michael is now still not dead yeah there was a lot to those scenes where she was in the hospital room like trying to grapple with the fact that he was still alive and I would have been I love those scenes me too and I think it's also it's very difficult to recover from something that's still ongoing

Starting point is 00:21:36 you know like a lot of people's traumas are things that happened and it's very unlikely they would ever happen again or impossible that they would ever happen again for example a death of somebody it's impossible that that person will die again or something traumatic happens to you it's very unlikely that thing will happen again with this seemingly it's not and so her having to deal with recovering while also moving forward while also knowing it's very likely to take place again. All those are very interesting concepts and trying to fight it at the same time. Totally.

Starting point is 00:22:04 The mob storyline, I think, really, really was very upsetting. Yeah. And so I understand why they thought that that might work, but it actually didn't have anything to do with Michael Myers or Lori. So it was kind of like a distraction from the franchise. Yeah. So I think that's a great question. Thank you, Jay, for that.

Starting point is 00:22:21 And thank you to everybody who asks questions. we try to get to as many as we can. There will be a forum in which Tara and I are going to be taking more Patreon questions for something else, so stay tuned for that. But don't worry, there's tons of time to talk about Halloween with us. We have one more movie in this franchise left,

Starting point is 00:22:36 which means that we need recommendations from you guys about which franchise we should be looking at next. So start sending those in. Tara, any final thoughts on Halloween kills? No, I think I said a lot already. All right. Well, without further ado, evil dies tonight. Later, rejects.

Starting point is 00:22:53 Thank you. Thank you.

The Reel Rejects - HALLOWEEN KILLS (2021) IS A BRUTAL MIDDLE CHAPTER! MOVIE REVIEW!

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