The Reel Rejects - HEARTSTOPPER S2 EP 7 & 8 REVIEW - "GO OFF, KING!" - FIRST TIME WATCHING

Episode Date: February 28, 2026

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Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you to Hewell for sponsoring this video. More on them in just a bit. Hello there, you lovelies, citizens of the Reject Nation. we're here to watch the season two finale seven and eight of heartstopper season two there's something very important i want to explain to you guys up front full transparency is that march and april is going to be the busiest months for me already when it comes to everything that's already coming out and if i don't just film reactions think all it a day there's like a whole bunch of things before and after that are handled here and additionally with hard stopper i feel like it's just going to get kind of lost and everything So I just wanted to tell you guys that we will finish heartstopper. We are going to do it. We're aware there's a movie coming out. So I know not everyone's going to be happy with this.

I imagine most of you guys won't be. I do feel like it would be best for us, for our mentality, and additionally for the channel as well, if we do wait to do season three closer to the release date of the movie, which is supposed to come out this year. So we'll do season three and lead up to it. So like many of you guys who watch season two, you had to wait a while to watch season three. So we're going to wait a while to watch season three as well. We're going to do it leading right into the movie. Promise you we will do it no matter what.

Okay, I just wanted to be up front with you because it's already kind of busy and we know we'll get lost in the shuffle with everything else that's already going on. And frankly, I don't want to just like power through and look like unnecessarily tired on camera here with you guys. So I hope you guys will understand. Hopefully. I always get nervous trying to explain something like that. But I just got to do it for the next couple months. So thank you guys. And it'll be better in the long run for everybody.

And it'll be more exciting for us, too, to watch season three than going to the movie. They'll be more excited for everybody. And hopefully everything is copacetic in the end. Let's find out how this feedback goes. Turning all that off my brain now and just getting lost in the episode with all you guys now. All right, guys. Well, Heart Stopper. Yes.

Thanks to everyone who has been joining us. Again, we will continue. I promise you. This is not me bowing out. It's not John Bowen now. We just need a little bit of breathing room right now. And it would just be better for it. Channel-wise, it would be better for us closer to the release of it.

So, yeah, but thank you guys. This is a really good last two episodes, though. Very nuanced, yeah. Very rousing, very touching. Not getting married in the movie, you think? No, my mind just keeps hopping. It's like, what's this movie? Maybe they get married?

Yeah, maybe I guess so, yeah. Maybe it's about them getting married. It's a slice of life. They pick out a house. They argue over the decor of the house. Yeah. To the house. James McAvoy lives next door.

They think he's normal, but then some kind of twisted game ensues. He takes him down to the basement. He's like doing a monologue about how fucked up the world is and why it's okay to be a nihilist. And then Charlie and Nick fight their way out of there. Dude, that sounds awesome. It's going to be great. It sounds awesome. It would be amazing movies.

All right. Let's, let me, let me review. Let me direct this episode for a second here. Yeah, refresh on the Dietz. Let me see what's going on here. That's euphoria. It is. It's an aptly named show. I feel great after every episode. All right. Where are we out here? Oh, my God. What is this? Oh, my God. Okay, someone asked about Ben. Love Ben. A lot of questions about Ben. Character Ben,

the best character. Spin off. Queen Ben. Mature subjects. Before season three and four, we got to watch Queen Ben. Is there what it says? All right. Well, there we go.

And Nick's brother. Okay. Oh, yeah. Next stall. Nick's brother, not Nickstall. Ben was the first thing I want to talk about. Yeah. I love Ben.

But then I see there's two questions about him, so I'll reserve for you guys. Yeah. Let's do it. Let's talk about Ben last. Let's lead up to the good stuff. I don't understand. Do you know anyone who's asexual? I don't know if I know when you...

I'm like, do I know someone, but I don't know they're asexual? I don't really inquire about people's sexual lives. So, Mark, how is your sex life? I don't ask about it. Yeah, I don't really typically just, like, grill people on there. escapades yeah that's fair I'm trying to think if you

if I know of anybody that you know that that we have that reveal them on camera well and too not everybody's you know who are at the channel is asexual

who's the most likely to be asexual here at the channel that's a great question Tara Terra I guess now I guess yeah we're going with Tara

yeah it's an easy answer John Maturin I don't understand I guess I don't don't understand my programmed brain

is likely I'm just having an honest conversation here that's good my programmed yeah that's what movie

shows like this are here to open the door to conversation and probably a lot of people out there say who've seen this maybe didn't know

that was a thing my programmed brain makes me wonder and as it's coming out of my mouth I feel like I'm sounding

stupid as So I'm going to say is that it makes me wonder if it is some type of physiological thing or a neurological thing, you know. It's a curious question. Because it seems so like. It seems like a primal thing. Yeah. Like a nature-oriented. Oh, and I did know someone who was asexual once, but I didn't fully understand what they meant by you that, I guess.

but I just remember them telling me that, but I didn't understand. And I didn't inquire more about it because I didn't want to sound stupid and act like I didn't know what that meant. But it was like years ago, though. So, yeah, but that's how it comes across to me initially. You know, I don't know. I don't know, like, what if I feel I'm someone who's of the mindset that most things of how we are, In terms of certain psychological ways is more nurture over nature. I think there are nature aspects and physiological things we can inherit that come out as behavioral traits, I would say.

I do think, though, that for the most part, it can be nurturing and experiences. I think the bad rep that gay communities, especially gay guys get, is that, oh, must be some trauma from your dad. And that's why you're gay, you know, that's usually what a lot of the same. is like chalked up to when I was growing up. And so I'm saying that like, you know, there's certain types of women that I've been gravitated towards. I have noticed that like, oh, you know, now I think about my upbringing.

So I'm trying to see some correlations here. Or when I had overcome certain things from my upbringing that I was drawn as a different type of woman, you know. And that's why I'm like, oh, is it a psychological thing? Is it a repression thing? I guess it's where I'm really coming from, actually. Is it a thing of repressing something? Like, are you really asexual?

Or if you chisel that down a little bit, is there like a sexual being waiting to be awakened inside of you? Or is asexual just a thing that we, that is just one of the, I don't know, if you put it in one of the letters of the queer community? Like, it's not even a queer thing. Yeah. It's a queer thing?

If you, people flip out. Well, I think queer, the umbrella of queer is just anything that's not heteronormative. Oh, when I hear queer, I think... I thought queer is like same-sex people. Not all, no, because I think queer encompasses bisexual, queer encompasses. But that's something to do with. Trans experiences. I guess that makes sense.

Yeah, it's... But I guess I associate with queer as sexual, you know, like sexuality involved. And I've been never, an asexic. Asexual sounds like not sexual to me. Yeah. I guess I wouldn't put that into queer. They're not, they don't even get a letter. They do.

Well, they do. Where's the letter? It depends on because people whinge about the ever morphing sequence of letters, the furthest extrapolation of Pi I am aware of is LGBTQIA what's I intersects

oh yeah yeah yeah and the A is asexual and then there's the plus that encompasses all the other additional letters that we're not going to say but it gets shortened most commonly to LGBT what are the other languages why can't we say the other letters

I don't know what these will exist it's that thing it's like it is like pie to me where it's like I'm sure there are more What are all the possible? What are all the possible letters for queer identities past LGBTQIA plus? What is the plus? That's the thing. Okay, what's pansexual?

I get confused in the valley between pansexual and bisexual. Pansexual to me is like you are attracted to anyone, everyone. It doesn't, like, there's not a specific. type for you. There's not a specific gender or orientation. You're for everybody. Bisexual kind of implies like a specific binary

but like a man or a woman but a pansexual can be like a trans person. Yeah, it's like I again, you guys feel free to correct me. I feel like there's like pansexual and bisexual feel like two steps along the same road and oftentimes may be kind of similar

unless yeah, it's like maybe one you differentiate between like cis male versus cis female or something like that. I don't see asexual in your little little uh because I asked it to go past IA plus

with the plus representing additional identities two spirit pansexual two spirit Aromantic which got a gender yeah that's a thing uh you know

some people don't really resonate at all with the boy stuff or girl stuff paradigms whatsoever? C, so you could just be curious forever? I guess? I mean, it's a state of being. I guess C for curious, I would imagine, is a bit of

a transitory state. I suppose you could be curious all your life. Omnisexual sounds like pansexual. Yeah. Omni, pan, all that stuff. I mean, this thing specifies that gender is like more of a factor in

omnisexual, but I am very... I mean, yeah, it's like... There's another letter here, a quilt bag. Yeah, if you're a quilt bag. It's like a real thing. Oh, my God, quilt bag. Interesting. Queer question.

You laugh, Sean. You just laugh at the whole gay community. That's most of the letters right there. Let's see. LGBTIQ-C-A-P-G-F-N-G-F-N-B-A. LGBT-E-M-R. i q cap g n g f n b a b a g fnba wow i was gonna say that is like a challenge to read the furthest extrapolation of pie but anyhow i'm a member if people ever wonder uh i'm a member of the lgb q ca p g n g f nbnbb a plus

could be yeah yeah all inclusive that's crazy all inclusive yeah so so the a makes it in there. It's just not in the mainstream. It's not in the, it's not one of the core Avengers. Yet homosexual, homosexual is not a word, though, that they, that the queer community, or the queer community doesn't embrace.

It doesn't make it on to this. Because it can't be a letter or else people be like, wait, the heteros are going to be like, that's our letter. Yeah, I mean, and I mean, there's various degrees of, of semantics, because like, gay,

can kind of apply to anybody having a homosexual experience lesbian is kind of specific to people identifying as women and you know there's also just queer which umbrella kind of encompasses all these alternative to the heteronormative

experience. Okay. But yeah so you got your core avengers you know you got LGBT as your cap, Iron Man, Thor and Hulk and then asexual is like black widow She's like right there. She's not always mentioned with the rest of the team, you know, or somebody like that.

I don't know. Maybe not Black Widow. Who's a less who's not a top line Avenger, but who's like just just right there. Sam Wilson is asexual. He's right there. He's Captain Merrigan now. So I guess that doesn't hold up either. When he was Falcon, he was a sex.

He's technically the leader. He's technically the leader. And I wish they would act like it. But yes. Asexual, like, I'm sure a lot of people would be in a position to discover that as a thing due to this. And I mean, I am not the most well-versed on what the experience is like. But from what I understand, yeah, it's just... You didn't know about the whole LGBT, I-Q-C-A-P-G-F-N-G-F.

There are two Gs. Wait, wait, wait, wait. There's two ways, too. Gender-G-N, one's a G-N, one's a hyphen-in. They should put the hyphen in. Anyway, I feel like, yeah, asexual and aromantic are two different things because, yeah, if you're asexual, I imagine you just don't really experience sexual attractions is what is my gathering is like it's not really a moon that guides your tides. It's not a thing you're really looking for. It's not a really thing that matters to you other than that there is the whole, like he pointed out, I mean, like the whole encompassing like society places huge worth on finding a person falling in love, having romance and having.

sex. And so if you don't feel romantic feelings, maybe you just feel familial feelings or friendship. I feel like you can have these you can exist this way and still have strong relationships, I'm sure. But yeah, there are people for whom just like sex isn't really a factor. It's not

something they care about. And thus like, and I mean, asexual people can have sex and do sometimes. But like it's, it all depends on kind of who your partner is and what your dialogue is and all that. Goodness. my wife is asexual with me

but only with you yeah that's how it works on the weekend she's out uh-huh asexual Monday through Friday and any time I'm at home she's SLUT on the weekend yeah

somewhere in the in the in the in the cornucopia of consonants and vowels there are a few vowels in there yeah the I and the A the A is the vowel this whole thing was the first vowel. Yeah.

A-E-I-O-U is actually not a vowel. It's an accurate. That's right. It is. Asexual, well, now that we have definitely unpacked that, it's cool that we're doing that with Isaac.

And then the prom was an interesting intersection, not intersex. Intersection of sexes. It's intersectional. This show is pretty intersection. It's very intersectional. sectional and it's just they are the this whole group is turning into the whole letter group it's like in true blood where everyone's the thing pretty much everyone's a magic creature yeah pretty much it starts off small and then pretty soon everyone's yeah it's true but that's it's it's it's it's interesting because yeah you're you're in a show where that's the themes you're exploring so it makes sense that you would have a number of alternative or you know queer experiences but it does it you have to remind yourself like oh there's still not like the majority of people around even though it does

feel like it because that's the community we're spending time yeah it does and that like as much as they talk about charlie getting bullied and stuff we don't we're not really privy to that so he doesn't open up to us i've never actually been privy to that of someone like i've been around plenty of people who are like talking shit on gay people um but i've never been and i was like like growing up in junior high especially there were plenty of guys who really hated gay guys

and I have never been around though when I'm watching a gay guy get like publicly insulted is there like a place we can go to where's the most bigoted place you can go to that also has a high concentration of gay

folks around normally when you go to a place with all the gay people it's a really supportive It's really hard to find close-minded people. Whenever I'm in West Hollywood, it's like it's harder to find straight people sometimes. You've got to find the right block where you're just close enough to West Hollywood, but you're also close enough to normal Hollywood that the, yeah, that the prejudice can really come to like. Oh, man, my, my, I mean, I won't tell my neighbor's story. My neighbor has horror stories.

I bet they do. Like, like, because they're, they're up there in years. They've been through. So, yeah. A lot of the journey. Yeah, he has, he's got like, even went on, brought onto a television show and everything.

It was in the news. Like, he's, I won't go through it. It was a real, like, physical situation. And it was like, it was a horror story to hear. So, yeah, it's like, I know people who've suffered it. I've just ever been around, like, when someone was like, who's like, like, seen someone being, like, homophobic in person.

Usually people are, like, too scared to do it. And at least out here. Sure if I went to like another state and be more common. Yeah. I've seen racism go down a lot. But I haven't seen homophobia go down weirdly. Yeah, not as not as overtly. Yeah.

I mean, I guess that's something. Yeah. That's good in a way. Yeah. Progress. That's good. Anywhere it's not happening, it's good. It's good.

My perv. My limited preview. You got a great purview from living in the same like 30 mile radius my entire life. If you need a safe space, it's been all right, actually. Just find yourself 30 miles from Greg, and you'll be fine. Anywhere within the 30 mile radius, no prejudice for you. San Fernando Valley. So, yeah, and then it was cool to get.

Someone brought it up about how there's not many lesbian stories out there. I'm like, that's true. And so it was nice actually getting that whole thing with Tara and Darcy, Shirley. Darcy. Darcy. You're close. Terran Darcy. That was touching.

That mom is very... So that's the other thing. It's like I've met homophobic parents. I've met racist parents. I've never quite met them to this like degree where I only see them in a movie or show where it seems like comical. Where I know they're real. So that's the thing. It's like they are real.

It only seems comical to me because I've never met one in real life who's like this much like this. But I've undoubtedly met parents. who are very homophobic. Yeah. Yeah, who are in, like, not trying to hide it and actually, like, it comes up when it doesn't seem like it even needs to. Yeah, like, you seem like a British villain, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's at the door with no self-awareness.

Like, I told her, she's just like a friggin' lesbian. I'm surprised she said lesbian and not something worse. Stranger? Yeah. Have you known? She was just like a lesbian. Isn't that ridiculous in this day at age? Young woman of the now.

Young black women of the now. Crazy. Oh, golly. But that's how some folks are, that's how microaggressions here, but, you know, microaggressions grow out of that too. And, oh, dude, freaking Charlie, Nick coming out to his father like that in a way that was confident and not even like, it's time to do this, just did it with a way of like, I really don't care what you think anymore. than that, he was standing up to his dad for the amount of to neglect his dad is done for him. And, like, cutting through the tension, just like,

hey, elephant in the room, here we go, and we're done. His brother was about to out him. Yeah, his brother sucks. I know. His brother's the worst. Reminds of Andrew Gordon. Yeah, it's always with Andrew. Geez. Yeah. Stop trying to out me, bro.

I had a friend. My friend. He was my first department. um it was a neighbor of mine we were we were so close i was so young and stupid oh no i was like how old was i then i was doing like 19 or something 20 i was so stupid and uh i introduced her because like we were just like kicking it a bunch and i was like this is so and so she's gay yeah yeah yeah and they don't she had to vote i'm like hey look i appreciate how like

accepting you are me but but you don't have to bring her just like point out that i'm like oh i'm Sorry. I was so stupid. It's okay. You meant well. Trying to embrace through humor. Yeah, we're so close. I cried when I moved here. I was like, I'm going to miss you so much. Oh.

Shout out if you're watching. Wherever you are. Yeah, but it's... She was great. Yeah, she prefers to keep private and low profile, so I don't mention her name. But, yeah. Surely, yeah. Anyway, lesbians are cool.

Lesbians are great. Bowtage are cool. And, yeah, they're not so. far crazy or about to die. So we're doing great avoiding those tropes. We don't know yet. Lesbian story is often in certain ways. Well, we're trying to break out of that.

Statistically. That's how it goes. That's right. These are the lesbian numbers. These are the lesbian numbers. We've run the numbers on all the lesbians and half of them are crazy. The rest are dead. Historically speaking, there are a lot of dead lesbians. Fellow reject, why is it so hard to get

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Tara! Hey, guys. In the very last scene of this season, when Charlie is leaving Nick's house after prom, they're playing a song called You're So Pretty. It's not Taylor Swift by Wasea Project, which is Will Gow, and his sister Olivia's band. See, you're so stupid. I am. He's playing piano while Olivia is singing.

See, you're so dumb. Hell yeah. Here's a link to the official video. I love that song. I thought it was Taylor Swift, which is a compliment. And I confirmed it was Taylor Swift. It sounded like Taylor Swift. I think she's ripping off Taylor Swift's voice.

Well, you know. She's that much of a con art. She managed to make her voice sound exactly like Taylor Swift. No talent. Would you have done anything if you're at the dinner party when Nick's brother kept trying to out him to their dad? Yeah, grab a bucket of popcorn and soda. Sit back.

on the road, David. Put on my 3D glasses for this. Now it's important. Yeah. I mean, I would like to think, I guess, what am I doing there? Who am I to these people? Am I, am I Charlie?

Or am I just a guy, a friend? I don't know. I guess I could imagine feeling very strange, budding into family issues. I don't know if I would be the first person to be like, this is weird,

but I guess I would hope that I would say something. I would not try to do like a public. I know me well enough where I would say something, but I wouldn't do it in a like, hey, cut it out. I wouldn't like directly say it in front of everybody, but I would be a little bit more like the sister. Yeah. Or I'm like, cut it out.

Like don't do that. No. Like I try to like keep it where not everyone notices that I'm doing that. But like let them know like don't do that. Yeah. Like how my wife is with me and like almost every situation. in my life like, stop talking.

I would probably yourself. Just to stop. Just yeah, just make it feel as dumb as possible. Yeah, I mean,

it's one of those things where I'm like, I'm sure at first I would sort of be, my wheels would start turning as to like, okay, what was happening in this room?

What do I do? Scanning everyone and then eventually I think would have to be like, hey, could you stop? Yeah. Like, this is really uncomfortable and you're being kind of

shitty. Not kind of. You're being shitty. And that's actually, it's good i got to learn how to be more assertive in moments like that so next time i'm at nix and charlie's for dinner yeah i'll say something yeah or no get that pop car slowly pull out your phone yeah big it fights we post this on on ebombs so many views on the real rejects

instagram page this is how we're gonna grow this is the kind of content we clips and shorts fade i would want to i would want to be supportive in whatever like that healthiest way that's not going to make things worse is stop trying to point out he's gay that's that's tricky what i would say stop trying to make my man come out who come out when he's ready right his dad's right there yeah nick i'm sorry you come out whenever you want to tell your dad you're gay when you're comfortable with saying you're gay gay next dad that's reset gay i'm bisexual eh are you really you need to pick a lady pretty much the same thing man oh no is that right david Yeah, show that we've learned nothing.

Yeah. Speaking of, what's asexual really good? Yeah, you just need to make a choice. You're basically bisexual, just inside out. Everyone needs to make a choice to be gay. All right, John, read it. Nikki, Nikki Sonorisa. Hey, Greg, and John.

Hey to you. Thanks for chiming in. I know we all hate Ben Hope, including Sebastian Croft, the actor who plays. him. It's gone on. However. It's my favorite thing. I hope it gets to him.

Apparently he hates Ben to. However, I'd love to get your thoughts on him stepping away from the rainbow after he confronts Charlie and what this might mean for the internalized homophobia that he very likely faces. I personally love this show. Doesn't shy away from this side of the queer experience

and leave something for those young people who might identify more with Ben than with Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like that they included this. It's hard if you identify with Ben, I guess, because you've got ways to go on your journey. I wonder if the people who identify with Ben,

who have self-humophobia, would know they're identifying with Ben. I know. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, it's often the case. Because no one wants to see themselves. When you're that repressed, usually, you don't recognize.

why you're getting angry at a character all of a sudden. For different reasons that we're getting angry. And if you're not realizing it, you might be reinforcing whatever is keeping you from fully understanding and embracing yourself. I think the portrayal is necessary. I feel like because I feel like I've seen that portrayal a lot, and I feel like that portrayal very much exists a lot in the world today since we are very much in a Christian America.

Woo! And while I know there's, we even have viewers here who are, Christian and are gay. Woo! And there's still a big part of Christian America, though. That does frown upon homosexuality, so it leads to a lot of homosexual repression. And in turn, they end up hating gay people and hating gays because they blame them for these fucking desires and sins they have. So they don't feel, they don't accept themselves and they put it on other people on accepting them.

So I think the portrayal is always good to include in some capacity. I'm just glad it's not the main thing of it. I was more happy with how the following question would go, actually. I think that's where we would probably explore that territory, unless you wanted to add specifically to that subject, John. I like the conversation. I think the best it has to offer for a person in Ben's position is like to hear Charlie's response is kind of a nice recalibrator for getting a better visibility of yourself.

It's like we don't see as much from Ben's perspective, so he's easier to hate narratively speaking. So I don't know if somebody who is having his experience has like a lot to draw from in this show, but I do appreciate that they represented this idea that this guy is struggling. He's acted out in ways that aren't good. And you understand a little bit about why he is. But yeah, the fact that he's choosing, or at least in this moment, can't really rise above going back to repressing it even harder. I appreciate the soft tragedy of that. Yeah, but he sucks.

He sucks. Care bear. At the art show, a potential redemptive moment for Ben changes unexpectedly. Subverting expectation, I was about to say, like, if Charlie was about to be like, it's all right, Ben, I'll forgive you. In fact, let's get back together. Yeah, I was waiting for this. I was going to be like, oh, come on, bullshit.

What is I-Y-O mean? In your opinion. Oh. Did Ben earn Charlie's forgiveness with his words, thus fulfilling your original predicted redemption, aren't for Ben this season? Or did high school musical model a healthier way for victims of assault, abuse, to move forward? I, one of my favorite parts about that is specifically Charlie's line that, I forget the exact line was, it was about how Ben was seeking peace or so or forgiveness from Charlie to alleviate his own guilt, like putting it on him.

And it was going about it in a way that was selfish. and sometimes apologies or doing something like that are more about that. Like, oh, I need, I'm doing this because I need it. I need not doing this for you. I'm doing this because it's for me. I need to alleviate something. Yeah, yeah. And as someone who's like, admittedly, I'm talking about this, not because I'm hiring a pedestal.

I'm talking about this because as someone who's been very guilt-driven for so much of my life, I've had to become aware what I'm doing that. you know uh or like if i'm i'm only saying this right now where i'm confessing or talking about this thing right now or whatever the fuck or keep bringing this up because it's more about me seeking a validation and when i feel like it's no i'm doing the right thing i'm apologizing and uh that's why i never apologize to anyone about anything anymore that's what i figured out just never say sorry that was you know what you say sorry you lose uh-huh never change your mind or your position never update for new information but no i i i understand uh what charlie

was saying and i feel like that's an important lesson for everyone to sort of learn because i think guilt can be a really blinding trap it clouds the way you can approach and think about things and in terms of it being healthier way for victims of assault abuse to move forward i don't know if i'm really qualified to speak on that. I think in terms of an opinion, I'm glad he didn't get the forgiveness from Charlie that he was seeking because I would negate the whole point.

And is it a healthier way? I guess the question, what's this question for victims of assault abuse before? Oh, I was told him this reading the question wrong. Yeah. I think there's strength to that. I do. I think there's empowerment to that.

Because a lot of the time, victims get trapped because the the the assater just says sorry and perpetuates the cycle so i i think there is there is strength to that yeah it demonstrates a good sense of perspective it's like yeah i don't think that ben earns charlie's forgiveness only you know it's like it's up to charlie to forgive or not to free himself of the ben baggage but yeah i wouldn't say that anything ben has done up till now like approaches full on atonement for his behavior and his

attitude in these various things and I think that yeah it is things like these are helpful and I think you know a net positive for human society when they can show you a conversation like that that is like in Charlie's position yeah not everybody would have the

especially Nick is there he's got the support directly but also yeah just to have the wherewithal and the perspective to say look I'm glad that you're making some of these realizations and I'm glad that you realize that they are wrong and you should feel some type of way

about that and try to act better but that doesn't yeah mean that I owe you anything or that that makes what you did okay or that it you know takes away from any of the very deserved ill will I have toward you and yeah I thought that was a good articulation

of that because it's hard to stand up to some people and yeah like a lot of people want to be kind and forgiving but you do have to remember you can forgive somebody else for them too but you have to do it for you if at all. Yeah, for sure. All right, John.

Regine Baker. These two episodes feel already so much more grown up, although only six months have passed since we met the gang in season one and we are diving into more mature subjects that get carried over into season three. We also get to see

more of these parents, the good and the bad, and the ugly. We all thought Charlie's mom is strict until we meet Darcy's mom. And on the other hand, we have Tows and Nix very supportive moms. It is a true array of moms in this show, I must say.

There's no question. No, it's just a good observation. Regine, I do appreciate it. And yeah, I mean, it's interesting to watch what comes from the parents and what you can extrapolate from all that, if anything, and there is that interesting sort of nature, nurture. or how does it all affect us.

But, you know, it's nice to get a little unpacker on Darcy's mom especially, I know the least about her. It's nice to learn that Charlie's mom. Yeah, she's up tight. She's strict, but, you know, there's worse moms in this show. And, yeah, man,

moms be holding it down in this universe, except for Darcy's mom who sucks. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, other moms we like. Moms, moms, moms. I have mature subjects. Yeah. Yeah, self-harm elements were pretty gnarly.

I mean, the starvation, eating disorder seemed like a form of self-harm. It's we were talking about prior. It's definitely form of self-harm. And then talking about cutting yourself. Like, that was so, I had a weird, once that was one of my forms of self-harm. When I say, I used to cut myself, I used to cut myself a lot. I think, actually, you can still kind of, like, see, you can see it right here, all these, like, scars right there. You can you see it, John?

I can see it. Proof. proof from more than a decade ago now it's been but vivid times yeah those are dark times vivid times it lasted for years

and the this sounds so silly but fuck it I used to cut myself so I could say it so you've earned I've earned the right to say it

I was like is this like a girly thing it seemed like such a girl I didn't know other guys who were doing it you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah I didn't know any other guys

who were doing it It's more talked about From with girls who are doing it. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. And to this day, actually, I don't think I've ever like chatted with another guy who's done it. And you know that common subject to them.

It's probably very, very common, but yeah, less visible, I'm sure. But yeah, I was like bad. Those were the times where I was like in the psych ward and stuff. And so, yeah, like I identify with that. And it didn't happen for me until like, oh, God, I was late to the game. I wasn't even like 18. I was like, I was like, my, must have been like my early 20s or something. It was like early 20s, I think.

Late teens, early 20s, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Striking out in life. And I guess the thing is like when I knew of people doing it, it was when I was a teenager. So that's why I feel like it was like a late thing for me. Well, yeah, it's when it becomes this sort of, yeah, this thing you become either aware of that people do or that you start doing, you know? Yeah.

A lot of people pick it up in the teenage years. Yeah. And, you know, it would get, like, concerning, though, for how, especially, like, I would do, like, there's other ways. I don't want to go, like, all vivid and graphic here. But there are ways where, you know, I've said, like, break glass and use glass, and then. Safety pins. Sometimes they go, yeah, then you go on. Safety pins.

They, uh, fucking, like. When we, we go over the wrist. the concern was that it could accidentally cut too deep. You know? So, yeah. It was a dark period. So hearing him say that, it was like, oh, I get this. I identify with it.

And it was this, like, form of, it is, like, there's variations I've discovered of when to do it. Sometimes it is a cry for help, like you want it to kind of be noticed sometimes. And then other times when it's more of the private matter, it is a form of, like, like control and for at least for me it was like focusing a pain somewhere like when the emotional side is too much then you focus

it physically somewhere the distraction but also the control yeah one of the many examples of why I got a dark sense of humor and then people think I'm just an insensitive asshole it makes you a bad ass yeah it's badass

it's badass it's not badass It does put me back in a mind where I'm like, oh, yeah, when I was younger, I knew a lot of people who were, like, self-harming themselves. And one person ended up in the hospital for ODing on pills. And she was like 18. Yeah, it's just kind of like a whole thing. It's hard out here. I guess it's common.

And I mean, yeah, you're at some of the most extreme feeling times of your life. Yeah. Yeah. And then you just had like one little period where it's like everyone feels like the plane and gave it tops. Yeah. I got better trauma. Who has? Yeah, who's the worst trauma?

My life's more fucked up in your life. my life is euphoria judge an experience isn't it jie up I've never heard of this I've never met a show the end of the second episode

the end of that second episode I've never felt such a strong convergence of like you know when you're like over the hump and you're like I'm I've completely uncoupled but I'm like so impressed

but I'm also just broken yeah I'm like I quit but also great job No, the word visceral gets thrown around a lot, man. That is a very visceral feeling. When he stalked and bludgeoned that guy, I was like, okay, this has pushed me to an edge. I like ugly art, and this is testing my limits. No, really?

That's you? Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird. It'll do it to you, honestly. But, yeah, like, you know, human set up beats. I've seen all three human setterpeeds. But there's something more fantastical.

Whereas watching Jacob Allerty, like. stalk this dude go to his home dominate him and then beat the shit out of him the guy some smile too it's only get lighter here on that job no i've learned in the intervening episodes that i've seen how much lighter it can go yeah it's only going to get lighter as it goes it's only going to get less fucked uh but yes yes it's been great it's been fun there is a episode that people told me for a long time so i'll tell you now okay that was like this is endaya's best were. There's a very apparent episode where this is the Zendaya

episode. And I don't remember when it is. I think it's in the next season. But it is like, oh, shit. This is why, whenever I see people who are like, why is she so famous? I'm like, I haven't fucking seen her in euphoria if you're asking that question. I mean, every second I've

seen of her thus far has been like, well, I see why you're so famous. You're acting. I mean, like, everyone on the show's good, but she's in a different strata yeah no she's insanely good in that show so i can only so people talk about euphoria the way they talk about star trek where they're just like

oh season two episode this just wait season one episode this just wait like crazy show yeah man crazy show really funny show watch time is uh not strong because you can't show much people seem enthusiastic and that's a people were like Kim what are you going to show on heat a rival room like we got a bigger challenge yeah I've never witnessed a more contextual mindfield than euphoria.

Because every scene you're like, YouTube doesn't quite get context. Some of this is extreme enough that it's obvious. Some of this I'm like, I don't know. It's right on the line. What can we talk about or not talk about? Oh, it's everything. It's every. It's drugs, violent, sex.

It's all of it. And in every context with every age. Yeah. It's really, it's really. It's a mind-bending show. I remember the first time I watched it. I was even like, wow, this is even edgy for HBO. It's like coming of age, Game of Thrones.

Yeah, it is. I mean, I think it's more edgy than Game of Thrones. It is because it's teens doing shit. It's like borderline pornographic. Border line, yeah, and then not to mention, you have a bunch of attractive young adults playing, attractive young, not adults who are all riding that real fuzzy line of like, I'm going to get with this college guy now or this is a full grown ass adult. Wait till you get to the, uh, let's you learn behind the scenes of the show.

I'm like, I don't know what to root for here. Wait until you start piecing together why it took years to get season three going. Oh, no. All I know is Sam Levinson's supposed to be a great guy. He's a great guy. No problems at all. A role model. No alcohol required.

I'm excited to watch the idol after this. Well, guys, leave her thoughts down below. Yeah. Thanks for watching Heart For ya. We'll be back. We'll be back closer to the movie before this. Obviously, we really love this show. So we'll be back closer to it.

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