The Reel Rejects - HEATED RIVALRY Episode 5 REVIEW!! The Emotions Hit HARD!

Starting point is 00:00:00 This video is sponsored by Rula. More on them just a bit. Anyway, we're going to watch Heat a rivalry. Thanks for being here, guys. Wow, what an ending. Oh, God. What an end of that. Holy shit, bro.

Starting point is 00:00:23 Oh, shit. Yeah. Wow. From, from, wow. Yeah, from... He just paved the way. I think the guy's name is Prokov. And he said, too, he would, he would, maybe after he was done with hockey now that he's

Starting point is 00:00:41 climbed to the top here. But he did it on the stage there. Yeah. So cool. A moment of celebration. Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember the guy's name off the top of my head. I know, I know there's a guy in the AHL, which is like, I think, a step below the NFL who is out.

Starting point is 00:01:00 and is like is like a huge deal and uh is like contracted with the n hl now to at least i don't know i'd have to check the details i'm regurgitating info that was bestowed upon me by a friend uh shouts out to mallory at the reading smut podcast but apparently like there is at least one guy in reality who is like adjacent you know who is kind of opened to this door in the recent timeline but but yeah this was fucking crazy yeah yeah Oh, my God, dude. All right. Well, I'll say this.

Starting point is 00:01:39 Prepper, you don't have to edit around as much sex this time. This was a last wrong episode. It's only just, you know, turns of phrase and little words. This is the one that gets yellow dollar bill. You guys did a bad job. This is what I'll say. Yeah, no excuse. And I want to thank a lot of people

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Starting point is 00:02:34 so we're like taking it back that we didn't see any of Hunter and that's probably like the biggest fucking moment of the whole episode and it's so cool to just get one dedicated episode then you probably spend almost two hours without them in total if you count last episode in this you probably spend two hours without

Starting point is 00:02:53 them and it's just so impactful of what it represents and the door that it opens you know part of me is also wondering what if there was a version where we never saw their backstory that just happened if you're like what the fuck's going on right yeah yeah he'd be slow you'd be exactly ilia and jane's perspective like what's going on yeah yeah there's other gay people in hockey i want like it makes me uh i'm gonna i'm excited to pick some brains about the book because it's like I can imagine structurally

Starting point is 00:03:28 I can imagine structurally how you would do that in multiple different ways and I really love what episode three was and it felt kind of appropriate somehow in the overall of the show to kind of have this sidebar happen that then comes back in but it's weird because I feel like you could

Starting point is 00:03:47 absolutely 100% put episode three after this you know make this episode four you wouldn't be fucking moved but you would be moved yeah that's the thing is like for the real real the true impact to register you do need that and it is like i think it's really fun the way that they set it up because at first you're like oh no scott's going to be somewhere in the episode and they're all going to be on the same team is this going to create a triangle like

Starting point is 00:04:11 they're so good at defying the tropes and expectations crazy like he didn't see him at all during that east west game it's it's cool the i like the ending note especially because it shows the power of standing up for something publicly how that could move and granted like they do have some type of connection to scott and it and it's in hockey and whatever but to see some display where they don't really know the guy that well you know but all it took was that one action to motivate ilia to go against everything he was ever told you know like to be inspired by it it was so beautiful it's really beautiful well and it somehow to me makes like a spiritual sense that it's like you meet scott and of all the of the three

Starting point is 00:04:55 of them he is the most he's the furthest down the road of acceptance beyond the completion of that in public you know out in front of people you know out loud and free and I feel like it's it's nice to at the tail end of this episode where

Starting point is 00:05:11 Ilya and Shane have made so many breakthroughs emotionally and with their communication with each other with their bearing of their true feelings and their support their honest to goodness like support for each other out in life to have all those barriers broken and have that growth happen

Starting point is 00:05:28 then to follow that up with this you know kind of in a weird way makes it feel less like we haven't seen them in a while it's like it's weird it feels like you can feel there this journey happening somewhere in the ether yeah it's kind of cool that we we are late to this show right and like this is the fifth episode

Starting point is 00:05:48 so it's and now we're at the time of filming this like the sixth episode will come out the day after Christmas and we wouldn't be able to get that to you guys till we will be able to get the six one to you till next week sometime however we have the benefit of binging this a week to week show binging it so you're able to we're able to see the narrative threads a lot stronger like it's playing like one big piece yeah because three is the episode where you get hunter and kip and they're much more open about their feelings while still being in secret and then in the day that shows like what, how the secrecy can harm, you know, and then, and then they, um, split at the end,

Starting point is 00:06:32 essentially. Like, that's what, that's what's implied, right? And then in episode four, that's when things also, what, when they start to be, uh, trying to be more open with each other with a little conversation, they're getting more intimate and they're realizing how much they really feel for each other, Ilya and chain, then they split. And then this one, they start coming to a moment where now it's not just about sex like i love that they actually had just a phone call that was just about feeling you know as he's lamenting his pain oh such a beautiful scene makes me want to cry again i know he's lamenting his pain a couple of those scenes in this episode honestly yeah there was a couple i was like i could think of like three moments for sure um but

Starting point is 00:07:18 yeah that that uh scene where he's lamenting his pain and his language where he feels protected because Shane doesn't understand the exact language, but Shane's just closing his eyes and feeling it. You know, it's a lot of times it is just a feeling. It's kind of like music. So beautiful.

Starting point is 00:07:36 And, but the thing is, they're still in secrecy, even though they're both getting more comfortable with knowing they love each other and then have that final bottom moment. Like it dovetails so nicely. It's like, it's a really cool companion,

Starting point is 00:07:49 like I think three through five is, like one and two work really well back to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then three through five who are, like, is like a great chunk story. Yeah, totally. So I'm like, I don't even know, it's like six would, I don't know, maybe then, I don't know what it's going to be. It's got to stay off the fucking internet.

Starting point is 00:08:06 Yeah, yeah, this whole month has been stay off Twitter because you're going to get ruined on everything that's coming out. Oh, my God. It makes me wonder, because I remember when Mallory was reading this, and I feel like what I mainly, you know, it makes me wonder about the book, and I'll have to pick a brain on it, because this,

Starting point is 00:08:23 to be in the room when someone's reading something you know you hear about the steamier things or you know certain little details but i am fascinated to know what this reads like in a deeper sense because this show is like so nuanced and dramatic and emotional in a way that feels very well observed and very compassionate and it doesn't feel cheesy it doesn't feel like melodrama and it has you know these incredibly touching and and you know heartfelt moments you know amid a lot of really fun steeminess and stuff like that and so like i've come to know this the idea of this book as like a smut book but also you know there's that always comes with an element of romance and so i'm yeah i'm curious as to how like slice of life uh just like heartbreakingly beautiful the book could be or if this is more of you know the adaptation's flavor you know so to speak. I think it's got to be you know, because I think like everyone who talked about this with us

Starting point is 00:09:25 was like, what are you going to even show? It's nothing but just people banging the whole time. It's how everyone talked about it. I'm like, honestly, there's not that much. It's like it's a lot compared of like, if they were straight people. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:41 I think it would definitely be like, there's not that much. You know? Yeah. It's not that much. But because we're not as used to watching gay people being this much, it's like, there was just nonstop people banging all the time. I'm like, no, it's not, actually. Like, there's we can, we can get around

Starting point is 00:09:57 this situation. We're trying to log into our, our thing. Patreon right now because I'm assuming we have questions for our patrons. So, thanks, John. I'll just randomly vamp about absolutely nothing

Starting point is 00:10:13 here while John comes back and I'm forsaken here in the land of review. because we didn't have it attached to what we needed it to be attached to today, which was like a weird document. Oh, no, it is here. My bad. My bad.

Starting point is 00:10:30 PLD did it. Okay. When I checked earlier, it wasn't here. Thanks, PLD. We got it, John. We're fine. All right. We're fine.

Starting point is 00:10:36 Cool. Hey, let's read some questions from our page. Yeah, let's do it. Nikki San Risa. All right. Woo, Nikki. John and Greg, you've made it to this masterpiece of an episode. episode.

Starting point is 00:10:51 Oh, yeah, that's why we got to like read some of these questions beforehand so we don't fucking just go into all the goods. My question for you,

Starting point is 00:10:57 how much of Ely's confession do you think Shane actually understood what are your predictions for the development of the relationship in the season finale? I think Shane knew

Starting point is 00:11:08 exactly what I think Shane already can pick up on everything that he's the basics of he's actually alone. He doesn't feel accepted. While Russia is technically his home he doesn't quite feel at

Starting point is 00:11:21 home there in a lot of ways yeah and there's like a weird thing where like there's a lot of pride and there's a lot of like you know commitment to representing your home that way but also it is at least for Ilya such an oppressive place that he

Starting point is 00:11:37 does seem to truly hate despite that sort of national pride thing and the way Ilya is actually opening up to him and reaching out to him I think Shane understood that Ilya even if he didn't know Ilya was saying it directly, he knew that this was a way of Ilya saying he's in love with him.

Starting point is 00:11:53 Yeah. I think, yeah, it's fun to let you wonder the specifics, but it's very much just you can absorb the tone and the emotion in the sound of his voice and all that. And I thought, like, that's one of the most beautiful scenes I've seen in anything in a long

Starting point is 00:12:09 time. And granted, like, I haven't seen a million, million, I haven't seen as much romance specifically as a lot of people. But, like, that was such a sophisticated choice. and for Shane to make that call, like, because what's important right now is, like, you need somebody to talk to.

Starting point is 00:12:25 And it doesn't ultimately... One thing about commiserating and, like, getting things off your chest is, like, it doesn't actually matter what the response is half the time. It's just that you do it and you feel safe in front of somebody to, you know, dislodge that burden

Starting point is 00:12:39 to some extent or another. And the fact that Shane is able to create that space is, like, incredibly unique in striking. And, yeah, it was just, like, such a beautiful acting moment. such a beautiful moment in the writing, the direction of that sequence, like, truly, like, for an episode that began on a scene that I thought was really wonderful, and I imagine we may get questions about, I don't know, but, like, you know,

Starting point is 00:13:01 the whole Shane and Rose scene was such a great back and forth, and then to top that with, you know, this really nuanced moment was terrific. And I don't know, for the finale, I mean, like, I don't know, it seems like this show keeps subverting things, and I love that it ends just on the sort of like, what the hell just happened? let's go to your cottage. So, like, I don't know whether to expect, you know, love, just more love, or if I should expect some kind of big perilous development that's going to throw everything into disarray. I don't know what to expect anymore.

Starting point is 00:13:36 Yep. I don't want to make any predictions, honestly. Yeah. All right. It's kind of crazy, though. I was, like, really close. Like, just when they went to the TV, I was making a joke about the cliche. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:49 because that's what they do I love rom-coms I fucking love rom-coms and that's always the rom-com ending is some giant speech yeah yeah yeah where's Kip where are you with the crowd like or Kip wouldn't even be in the crowd

Starting point is 00:14:02 I think Kip would like B at O he rushes out he rushes out goes to the rink runs the door just as he's finishing the speech or if not in a crowd

Starting point is 00:14:14 it's like a Jerry McGuire where it's usually in front of it's gonna be a group enters a speech that follows his yeah well and yeah such a beautiful

Starting point is 00:14:22 moment for him to be like he's scaled the mountain you know he's won this cup yeah and and this is a moment in which you can leave something on the table and damn the consequences even if he wants to play longer sure

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Starting point is 00:16:29 Thanks for chiming in. Because this episode focuses on the relationships, what are your thoughts on how the women in this show are written? Personally, I like that they have important roles in the guy's lives and are not an afterthought. Also, the movie being called X-Squod, her getting painted blue,

Starting point is 00:16:43 and the red wig behind her, Rose Landry is certainly playing Mystique a la Jennifer Lawrence. Absolutely. Goodness. I love that they have, like I like that too. It's because you come into this and you're thinking like, oh, what you hear is gay hockey show, right? And I think from the outside, you know, I feel like the queer spectrum has been kind of, and there are people much more qualified to comment on this than I am. But from this vantage, it feels like the queer perspective is often boxed into this is about solely. gay guys or lesbians or maybe both but but there's not really a much of the you know fluid spectrum of bisexuality pansexuality any of the other things that fit in and I love that they talk about that a ilia saying like yeah I like girls do a degree and Shane being like I don't think I

Starting point is 00:17:36 do in that way at all and yeah for them to have these prominent female friends who are so supportive and who also are looking out for them and who are also kind of the people for whom they're the the only people besides each other you know for like a shame or an ilia the they're these friends that they've made are the only people they can kind of even hint at their true nature their true their truth at you with um and it's really nice to see i love the start of the episode with him and uh rose that whole conversation you expect your program to expect all this is going to become dramatic and something's going to go wrong. But that scene was really great. And it's such a wonderful breakthrough for Shane and his whole body language changes after that. And

Starting point is 00:18:21 Aaliyah's had Svetlana the whole time. It's just another really nice facet of the show that, yeah, I think could have easily been an afterthought and has been really, again, unique and nuanced to me. Yeah, I liked it a lot. And I do think when it got a Svetlana, I don't really care to see more drama with like a cliche route there was a part of me that felt like it rhymed a little too much like on a little like this is when i say a nitpick i mean the nittiest epics is that i was like well i feel like there'd be a little bit of a conflict here because it seems like you're actually really into ilia like you know like because rose had just started dating this guy yeah or ilia and her were kind of going back and forth for a lot and granted it seemed like you know she never she always had

Starting point is 00:19:10 kind of one foot out as well and it doesn't seem like she was looking for something like hardcore monogamous or some shit yeah same time it did it was like yeah this is very similar to um the rose thing but i don't really care i still thought it was nice and touching olivia i love that name in this episode we get the beautiful moment between scott and kipp where he comes out as the first openly gay player after winning the cup which is huge how do you see the aftermath at this moment playing out in terms of the relationship with each other moving forward or how the media hockey world responds

Starting point is 00:19:44 and how important do you think this moment was for Shane and Ilya to witness. I mean, the latter we've really dug deep into already for Shane and Ilya. In terms of the media high, wow, I didn't mean like hard to think about that. Like the parents were on the couch and they were really in shock.

Starting point is 00:20:02 I hope they go into it because they've been scared this whole time and I think it would be a little bit of a hop out if the media and parts of the hockey world weren't offended or like upset by it because at the end of the day it there would be parts of the world they're like the fuck get this off my television i was with my family you know there's people who would be really really upset by that and there's a reason why they've been scared to come out so i think they have to they have to play that out and you know i don't want this to end on a dower note this season but i i know they have a

Starting point is 00:20:37 season too so they got to end it in some way that has some type of temptation for jeopardy or conflict um but uh yeah i don't i don't really know honestly yeah i mean i i i caught it and you know like the commentators are on tv and they're like oh good for him good for them um which i don't expect you know i i i guess i imagine a debate to happen next episode i imagine we'll see kind of a landscape where some people are about it and some people aren't i think it's incredibly for Shane and Ilya on the personal tip because even though you they have that conversation too they're like there must be you know gay players but you know yeah nobody's open I don't think this will lead them to being out also you know immediately and I think you know yeah it'll be the kind of like well good for them but I can't imagine that Scott will face no repercussions from this and from Kipp's perspective it's like on the one hand this is amazing because it's such a romantic beautiful moment it's in front of the the whole you know it's it's tied to something so special it's it's this huge thing and now he's out in the open he's visible he's not a secret anymore but i wonder if given the given who is

Starting point is 00:21:47 you know uh highlighting this romance now like his you know i don't know how he's going to respond to the deluge of media you know and and public attention he's about to get like i can imagine how this would intrude heavily on kipp's ability to lead a normal life and kind of be a monkey paw thing a little bit of like, well, yes, I want to be not hidden, but also now I don't have a personal life anymore or whatever. I don't know. I can imagine a lot of things, but it, yeah,

Starting point is 00:22:16 it seems like there will certainly be a whole bunch of aftermath to dig through and discuss, and I trust the show to represent a whole number of different perspectives. And I guess the only thing that leaves me with a mild amount of, a mild amount more optimism than I would normally assume is that commentator thing at the end

Starting point is 00:22:32 because they are like, oh, good for him, this is great. So part of me is like, maybe there's not as much hatred and close-mindedness toward this possibility as many people would think, even though I'm sure there is certainly a good amount. Mads Kickleson. Madsie, thank you for chiming in. So happy you're doing this series, as are we.

Starting point is 00:22:57 Episode 5 lacks explicit scenes of sexual intimacy. What do you think was the purpose of showing those scenes so candidly earlier on in the show, yet foregoing them at this point in the narrative. I think a lot of the times when it comes to, you see with men and women in, you know, LGBTQ communities, a lot of times they try to chalk things up to it's just sex, sexuality. And I think the demonstration of that was to first bring it to that

Starting point is 00:23:26 of like, oh, it's temptation and just wanting, and for sexuality, but it's not emotional. And then slowly peeling back the human layer. I think the whole point was to start it all. off like hardcore physical and slowly peel back the physical so then now you're seeing why they have sex for different reasons sometimes it is escape and then you watch the tension and the troubles I can come from just only focusing on that and not going through the feelings and then how feel and then so how sex can actually be a mask for the fact that it's more of an emotional thing

Starting point is 00:23:54 like even in the first scene here the when he first facetimes him he immediately resorts to take your clothes off like makes it about sex like really fast as a form of comfort but then the very next time they're talking on the phone no sex at all so i think the whole point was to go that way and then show that's just like a very human way of of doing it a lot of times it is like physical attraction first and that becomes the easiest way to express that and especially for men i think men in general have a easier time expressing through like straight men too an easier time expressing through sex versus uh verbally and you know watching that unfold is kind of like the point i don't know it's kind of like a long a short yet long

Starting point is 00:24:40 winded way of saying yeah it makes sense to me that that would those would be the first dominoes because there's way they're instinctual things and their split second physical things it's like it's so easy to be up in your head and you know with emotions or with things that you're experiencing how to express them there's so many ways you can get hung up and lost trying to even consider what that frequency should be whereas like the magnetism of a physical connection of a shared eye contact, any number of things can create those momentary sparks where you're moving more instinctually, perhaps more in line with what you actually want, but are afraid to acknowledge or understand. And yeah, for somebody like Shane, who as of this

Starting point is 00:25:22 episode is only finally coming to grips with the fact that he is, you know, most likely gay, uh, you know, yeah, it's, it's the icebreaker. It's the toe in the water. It's, yeah, we can kind of experience this thing and then we can figure out what it is and how to rationalize it and what to call it later on and yeah it made perfect sense to me that this should be the more

Starting point is 00:25:45 you know this is no less intimate this episode is just yeah way more on the emotional end of the spectrum now because they've had this relationship for so many years and even though they have all these walls up and these you know different aversions toward opening up and trusting each other

Starting point is 00:26:00 they know deep down that after so much time if I could express these things to anybody you know it's probably you so so yeah i think uh i like i like i relate heavily like it's you know i love a show like this because you don't have to be gay you know it's like i relate heavily just to like the the struggles of communication all these guys are facing and like you know the acceptance of just how you exist and you know what you want and not feeling any type of way because of anything else out there in the world like so yeah it makes a lot of sense that they would have access to the physical far before the

Starting point is 00:26:35 emotional and the intellectual side of love. Yeah, that's true. Aloha gang. Oh, there's a fake plant here. I was cruising the Patreon here after hours, and I caught a late submission that I couldn't help but want to chime

Starting point is 00:26:53 in a little bit about from Jenna McGill over at the Patreon. Shouts out Jenna. Jenna says, the music production and supervision has been so fun in this show, and I certainly agree. What is your favorite needle drop moment or song from the series. So far, I don't know why I'm talking like this. If you've watched these reactions up till now, you will no doubt have seen me

Starting point is 00:27:18 express great enthusiasm over a couple of needle drops by Feist, Leslie Feist, Canada's own terrific artist. And those are two of my, I mean, my moon, my man's a single, so Like, it's not, it's not, like, extraordinary to say that that's one of your faves, but, like, sea lion is a banger, and, and her rendition of that song is terrific. So, uh, shouts out to Fyce. I hope there's a Fyce song every two episodes. I'm waiting on that season finale for, like, a, you know, Feist hat trick. Uh, hockey term. Um, also iconic, the, uh, all the things she said, tattoo, and then, like, the segue into the remix, you know, the,

Starting point is 00:28:05 alternate version i never heard before uh iconic certainly uh i'm sure there's something else i'm forgetting somewhere along the line i also just think the music in the show that is yeah i mean the needle drops are great and they're they're very um you know expressive and well chosen but i also just love the music palette in general across the show especially in a lot of the really sort of intimate tender moments these like floating ethereal sometimes tense or sour other times euphoric and pillowy and and you know cosmic in a way like there's just yeah there's so much lovely use of sound and music across the show and uh hell yeah or maybe that song it's still it's still funny to me like shades on the bicycle in the first episode and he's just like listening

Starting point is 00:28:53 to like what sounds no slight i don't know if this is like an actual song but it just sounds kind of like you know like we just need any song put it like you know hit up the archive you know of stock music either way though uh Excellent music across the show. And, you know, as a music nerd, could not help. But, yeah, rattle off a few thoughts on this. So anyway, appreciate you. Back to us in the past, pass.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Yeah. Well, guys, we got one more episode left in this season. I don't know. You guys already watched it. Oh, wait, no, I don't know. Wednesday is coming out. It might be coming out before then. Or your predictions if you're watching it then.

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The Reel Rejects - HEATED RIVALRY Episode 5 REVIEW!! The Emotions Hit HARD!

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