The Reel Rejects - HEATED RIVALRY Episodes 3 & 4 REVIEW!! This Show Just Gets BETTER!!

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This video is sponsored by Rula. More on them just a bit. Two sides of the spectrum, and I like that. Horror, romance. Let's do this. Balls. All right, guys. Heat arrived.
Starting point is 00:00:13 We're going to do three and four and maybe five on another video separately. I guess we're just going to bang these out. Leave a like. Let's watch this. all right ladies and gentlemen well we just watched heat of rivalries episode three and four before we go into reviewing it a couple of things i want to mention we're going to be covering questions from our royal rejects towards the end of this review reason why is because you can get the full length reaction watch along where you sync up with us time code included so we're watching
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Starting point is 00:01:45 Soon, they will all be replaced to artificial intelligence the way we want it to be. Isn't that right, John? Absolutely. That's what I've been hoping for. Just like we'll replace our editors prepper with AI. Eventually, they'll replace the writers of the show with AI.
Starting point is 00:01:59 And then we'll get something authentic. Then we'll get AI actors. Yeah. With weird dead eyes. And fucked up hands. All right. Well, how are you feeling? I feel good.
Starting point is 00:02:13 I mean, I feel catharsed. And, you know, it's very effective drama. So I'm sort of twisted up in the, you know, breathlessness that we left off on. But this show continues to hit and continues to be very potent and well-observed and very, I'm always fascinated by stuff like this in, certainly in the sense of a script, but also this comes out of a book. So obviously, like, I'm like, what does this read like on that page versus the script page versus how it comes across here? And obviously I've avoided a certain amount of the details now that we're into this so that we can have everything be fresh.
Starting point is 00:02:49 But I am very curious because, you know, again, just the drama and the observation of just humanity across the show is like super potent and uh and not to suggest that the book wouldn't have any of that but it just yeah this is so visual and it's so cinematic even though the subject matter is quieter than a lot of things so uh yeah i'm enthralled by this i'm a little curious as to like how the structure is going to hack out given that we had a complete detour for episode three or a almost complete detour uh but i really liked it no less so uh yeah how are you feeling sad yeah yeah man there's a lot of sadness is i mean yeah a lot of repression on this show a lot of people desperately wishing they could communicate love and not succeeding at it yeah it's
Starting point is 00:03:42 it's a it's a yearning for authentic connection and then whenever they come close to getting the connection they want is a lot of pulling away and a lot of facade unfortunately it's really sad You do that a lot. Mm-hmm. You guys just listening. Get everything back in order. Yeah. I'll catch a strand over here and I'll be like, shit.
Starting point is 00:04:10 It's all out of order now. Yeah, I notice. Well, and I can feel it on my neck, too. I can feel it here, so I'm partly like, oh, you know. You got a strand on your shoulder there, buddy. You're embarrassing yourself. It's like a scarf, you know. It warms up the rest of your body when it's, like, touching your neck.
Starting point is 00:04:26 So I'm like, okay, I got to. I made the choice that will go hair down today but I'm also like I don't want to like cook my jugglers but it is it's good it's an instant scarf
Starting point is 00:04:37 look at that winter day you're set now I can warm my whole bloodstream up hey you got beautiful hair man I try you accept it that's one thing I'm okay at yeah this is like a really
Starting point is 00:04:47 melancholic time like the the one with Kipp and who's his name Hunter Hunter Scott yeah Hunter yeah the one with Kipp and Hunter.
Starting point is 00:04:58 I really like that one a lot. That was beautiful, yeah. It was beautiful, and it's kind of like an emblematic short story of what these guys are going through in a more long version. And I like the, I like the detail, the characterization of what they're encountering, you know? Because when you look at where we left off here with, excuse me guys, we left off here with Hollander. how he's taken the approach now of what ilia was doing to him earlier you know he's the one pulling away while ilia is in his own version reaching a little bit more like he welcomes it into his home he's offering food anytime he makes a suggestive action that is more inviting
Starting point is 00:05:47 hollander questions it and then ilia covers it up with some type of like sarcastic remark that no it's really just like like the sandwich like do you want to sandwich yeah he's offering to make food for him is like for me and he goes i was going to make one for me anyway so i could just make two yeah yeah yeah never too much of a of a yeah altruistic or loving thing happening and then he has a very vulnerable conversation with his father yelling at his brother on the on the phone and he comes back in the room and that note of him learning learning the word father in Russian almost as a way to like it could be it seems it seems implied that he learned something like that because of Ilya and it's it's an it's an emotional connection
Starting point is 00:06:44 about a way to better understand him then it leads to a very like so just personal and intimate sex scene and he pulls away and then it like goes down this road you know and both just so uncomfortable to admit they're homosexual at the same time you know like this escapism with women that I'm sure you can you know I've met two two very of my closest friends are gay
Starting point is 00:07:11 and one of them used to have like a lot of sexual encounters with women but at the end of the day they knew that they really weren't like they could have the physical rise but not the emotional connection yeah not the love not in the way they wanted yeah and so yeah there's just a lot of like
Starting point is 00:07:33 sadness you know i just feel really sad honestly yeah i mean there is yeah it's it's weird it's like there's a there's a there's a cath i find a catharsis in how authentic the depiction feels but yeah i mean it is largely about a bunch of people with various reasons to be very repressed and you know who are struggling, yeah, with all these circumstances that keep them from just, you know, finding love and happiness and just being themselves and embracing who they are and living out loud. And like, you know, that's, those are universal themes in a lot of ways, but the way they communicate them here is very palpable and tangible. And so I guess like, yeah, the, the context is sad, but I also get inspired seeing it portrayed so vitally, I guess, is like, it inspired.
Starting point is 00:08:24 me in a sort of artistic fashion to be like, wow, the amount of emotional development and understanding you must have to be able to author something like this, you know, that is, again, nuanced and, you know, it's in the writing, but it's in the performance. Like, there's so many faculties that are all kind of firing at once in a way that's like inspiring, even though, yeah, a lot of the subject matter, especially in this middle chunk because we're in the middle. I think it's only a six episode season so you know um and i mean the back to back of these two it's an interesting contrast between hunter and hollander and rosenov because hunter is compliment each other they do and they both they both depart from their yeah secretive relationship yeah it's like they're
Starting point is 00:09:10 all subject to the fact that they're not in a place that for which coming out is like a viable option or an easy thing you know no one from my understanding and from what i've been told no like no one's out in the NHL anyway so like you know everyone's under that umbrella but then you also have yeah this interesting statistic that 89% of them are gay yes definitely they're all
Starting point is 00:09:33 that's why you get into it there's nobody says it but everyone knows yeah you if you're gay but you still want to fight people in a place where you're not going to get trouble for it yeah but it's the heterosexuality is minority yeah definitely we are actually a minority on planet earth
Starting point is 00:09:49 and we're oppressed us us straight the ironic part um but i like i thought yeah it was a very interesting contrast in that hunter clearly seems in his private way more engaged with or understanding of or just like fully formed in what his desire is and how he wants to live he just has these other obligations and these other responsibilities and these various other reasons why he can't but it's like when he and kipper together there's a lot of vulnerability and there's a lot of back and communication and he even tries to warn him about what it's like to be with and deal with him and there's all this good intent from kip of like i want to be able to work with this and like i've
Starting point is 00:10:32 definitely been in situations a lot like that where it's like someone's someone sort of thinks they can handle what you're putting down and then come to find later that this is actually causing hurt and damage and like that's its whole own other thing whereas like yeah Shane and Ilya, like, clearly want this, but they, like, can't speak it quite, or they can't, like, seem to get on a fully even, you know, eye line of communication unless they're expressing physically. Yeah. And, yeah, it's a really interesting contrast, but they both have a lot of similar, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:07 both heart swell and heartache and yearning that come with them. And so, yeah, to watch, it's like, it's so lovely to watch the sort of, I don't know, coming of ageness of the first episode where you know clearly ilia's bringing shane out of his shell to a degree and then to come over here to the third episode and start something fresh you know kind of segue out of a prior moment into something fresh that is also the beginning of a relationship and in a totally other context this is like a really cool exploration you know and it's complimentary and it's like not the same thing but yeah like all the themes complement and encapsulate you know more dimensions of this whole conversation.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Yeah. And the performers is fucking great. There's something about stories of struggle to accept oneself that really kind of get to me. Yeah, struggle to accept oneself, to live freely, having accepted yourself, and to, like, really be able to communicate without any sort of barriers or blockages. Yeah, it's like definitely material that certainly gets to me because I struggle with those things, you know, so that you watch a show like. like this and you're like oh damn you know like whatever the specifics are i relate to a lot of what
Starting point is 00:12:21 these struggles are or representing and also it's kind of therapeutic in a way because you know it's yeah it's just speaks to something real and to watch other people do it in an environment that is like safe and everyone's kind of crowded around and it's not like your own stuff on the line is like i think that actually kind of has a yeah like a therapeutic quality in a way you know what you mean. It's cathartic. I don't know what you mean. I do. And I love stories about love and people trying to love and all the barriers and obstacles that prevent, you know, such a simple, pure thing from like taking hold and getting to root for, you know, like the little moments of progress and stuff. Some might argue, most stories are love stories.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Heat. Yeah. Okay. It's called heat. A human's centipede they want to each other that's right there's a lot of sexual tension i they hold hands at the that's true that's true that's true there's in that field it's about the love of policing that's right that's right that's right the forbidden romance the forbidden mal killmer a actually a hard love story in a way that's true that's true it is a romance human centipede uh-huh he loved his beloved tree dog and he was just trying to bring back his beloved three dog all about how you view it it's all about it i didn't say all stories no i said 89% just like the n-hills just like the n-hills yeah let's read some questions
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Starting point is 00:15:50 Nikki San Risa, let's go. I'm still so pleasantly surprised that you're reacting to this show. I love to hear you chat about the change of pace in three. How did you feel about getting an entire episode about Hunter? What do you think this significance was at the focus on family here, both Scots and Kipps. Well, I think we elaborated quite a bit on the focus of getting it on Hunter.
Starting point is 00:16:19 I, what I love, though, is like to take a time to do a show where you demonstrate two different types of gay love stories. As silly as that sounds, you don't get too many gay love stories. And oftentimes the form of, you know, closeted or unwilling to accept what you really are can boil down to certain types of cliché. depictions you know some might argue i don't think this is the case i think some might argue like with ilia like well yeah he's got a like fucked up relationship with his dad you know it's often what people like will resort to you know that that kind of cliche can come in that form but then you got someone like kip who has a loving relationship with his father and i love the um and in scott like you were talking about how he's different from he's kind of the ilia role but he's actually more open and
Starting point is 00:17:11 upfront about everything you know he's not trying to play any he's playing games in a way where he doesn't realize he's playing a game like like he's being manipulative without but not in like an ill evil not even ill without the intent to be intent to manipulate but he has to get called out by the friend you know like he's not a secret like that moment when they're dancing that's sort of what i mean is like oh i didn't realize i was actually doing something manipulative you know or I wasn't being honest with myself about that. Yeah, totally. And so, yeah, I think the demonstration of that and the significance of the focus on family,
Starting point is 00:17:48 I think they do the significance on the focus of family with everyone here because, I mean, I don't really know why just yet, but the way we are often formed through our nurturing in life is through the life experiences. Often that is dealt with how you are raised and your connection with your family often determines the kind of individual that you turn out to be. There's a lot of other factors, schooling, sports, whatever it might be of camaraderie that you have outside of that family home, usually family upbringing and the connection you then currently have can affect the way you deal with your present day circumstances as well. So I feel like part of that was to reflect just who they were as individuals and why the way they want is the way they want, why the way they desire connection and acceptance is the way. way they desire it and you could see it based off like upbringing and hearing about their
Starting point is 00:18:42 background a little bit more yeah you know so i really uh i think a lot of that comes down to that at least from to me yeah one i think there's an interesting quality to the way they portray both aspects because obviously it's like kip has peep has kip has a support system more than like any other character so far it seems like he's got a good relationship with his father he's got a tight-knit little group of friends who all seem to have his best interest at heart and who all seem very supportive and you know Scott has versions of that but especially with the loss of his parents and the fact that it's like I really felt for that because it's like at first you're sitting there going oh because he's a pro hockey player and this is his profession he can't come out
Starting point is 00:19:22 but then yeah this idea that you know it's way more than that it's this charitable organization it's the opportunity that I was given that I'm trying to pass along to other people it's the other players it's philanthropy it's profession it's all sorts of things and You know, he's, it's like, whereas Kip has a whole support system around him, it feels like Scott is trying to be a support system for a bunch of things or to give himself to a bunch of things. And it seems like his life, especially with no parents in the picture anymore, is very lonely and is very quiet. And it's like, I can sympathize heavily with this idea of like, I want you to be, you know, it's like Kip seems like he is like a surrogate for all the things that are missing. All the sort of familial tenderness. that is missing and the identification that is missing and the sort of ability
Starting point is 00:20:12 to live truthfully that is missing so yeah they make an interesting contrast to each other certainly and yeah those are beautiful
Starting point is 00:20:21 I loved seeing Kip's dad I thought that was like such a strikingly simple it's a super simple choice beautiful choice gorgeous choice Christian Seibold
Starting point is 00:20:33 Seibold thank you for chiming in gay stories like he did that include more explicit adult depictions feel like a reclamation of something we were denied for so long on TV. So what do you think these stories give audiences that the earlier sanitized and often tragic portrayals couldn't? I mean, I think part of it for me is that it's like this is so relatable. It's like once you get to the sex, at least for me, it's sort of like,
Starting point is 00:21:02 oh yeah, this could be anybody because like these problems are so relatable anyhow. And like, yes, there is a very specific walk of life and set of challenges that you will deal with as a queer person that not everybody will deal with certainly but all this stuff about again repression and the conflict the conflict between desire and responsibility and and all these different little communications is super universal and yeah like to see a story that's all about queer characters of some variety and there is the tension and the hard of that but it's not just like living in that entirely and you do get to feel the highs and lows of the decadence of the experience but you also get just yeah a lot of like you can clear a lot of the
Starting point is 00:21:49 stuff off the table in terms of you having like the tragic you know older style portrayal to where you can get the little moments of just pure joy the little moments of thriving and the little moments that are you know intimate and nuanced and things that you know we wouldn't have observed so much before because we were so you know you had to do the earlier you know more sanitized more tragic portrayals to get to this point and certainly there's a good amount of you know again yearning and anguish in these themes and stories but it's much more yeah just like stories about real regular people even if they're in extraordinary professions or whatever so it yeah it feels less like oh let's capture this tragic event because it's important and more like yeah let's do a slice of life
Starting point is 00:22:34 let's live in this you know well for talking about just the sex stuff it's a real lot like as much as some people I talk to are like there are some people
Starting point is 00:22:49 who are under the illusion that gay people don't really have to fight for their rights anymore and it's because they might live in a bubble where it's they're fine with it or they don't really care
Starting point is 00:23:02 notice or pay attention yeah but you know we're still evolving and societally speaking gay rights are young we are able to portray heterosexuality intercourse all the time you know and it's more about like do i want my kids watching that but if when you're an adult it's not like so i don't want to see this this is wrong but there's still a lot of people who even if they don't think it's wrong are uncomfortable by seeing it even if in their bones they're my they're probably not actually i can actually understand that if you don't grow up with that being a normal thing because like even for me who i i hope it's clear i'm not
Starting point is 00:23:43 homo when i first saw that like something when i was like a teenager it was shocking honestly like it was it was different you know and i wasn't like yeah it's normal just two guys like it was a thing that i was not accustomed to. And now it's like whatever to me. I don't, I'm not like who shit, gay people. Yeah, it's normal. Yeah, it's just normal now. And I think part of that is part of the normalization. I think this helps contribute to is showing the different shades of sex and not just they're banging and they're enjoying it because they're and of just horniness. But a lot of the time it is the, they show the emotional sides. They show the escapism side. They show the connection sides. They show the more intimate sides.
Starting point is 00:24:27 They show the more distant sides. Just like heterosexuals can be as well. So, yeah, I think this show does a really good job on the graphicness being intentional for a reason. I want to compliments. And it's like, you know, they do a good job of making it such that you could feel the tension and you're like rooting for it to happen. It doesn't feel requisite or like pult or like, you know, ah, let's just get some skin on the screen. You know, it's like sex is a part of life.
Starting point is 00:24:55 and this certainly feels like it encapsulates that idea. Yeah. You know, all right, let's move on. All right. I lovey. Thank you for chiming in. In comparing the two couples with Shane and Ilya being a slow burn to Scott and Kip being more quick-paced, do you see a difference in their level of connection or do you
Starting point is 00:25:16 think they develop equally? Also, what differences do you notice in where each player is in terms of accepting their sexuality and the possibility of coming out? again sorry it's wordy i love the reactions and got patreon specifically for heated rivalry well thank you welcome a difference in the level of connection or do you think they develop equally oh uh i think they both develop quickly and intensely but one is a lot more open Scott and kip is a lot more obviously dialogue open where Shane and ilia it seems to rely on sex for communication
Starting point is 00:25:54 yeah you know there's is a lot more sort of twisty of a web i would say whereas like scott and kip it's almost like if you could just clear like one or two barriers this could be incredible and you guys could just live happily yeah whereas shane and ilia have a longer way it's like yeah scott is like so much more understanding of himself at least well i still i felt like scott and kipp were a couple yeah i don't i don't view sheen and ilio like a couple yeah they're they're like a long-term situation ship. Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, where each of them
Starting point is 00:26:27 struggles to communicate and then they, yeah, it's like they act sort of in their own sort of instinctual, dominant, and submissive ways with each other. And yet it seems like the hardest thing for either of them to do is just say the words that are on their mind. Yeah, you know.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And difference in where each player is in terms of accepting their sexuality and the possibility possibility of coming out. I mean, I feel like Scott is the one who's like cons who's a little bit more on the verge of trying to and willing to
Starting point is 00:27:01 and it's weird like an athlete's life is hard because yes it's the kind of environment and breeds it's very masculine testosterone driven and there is that thing that I don't know the sports world
Starting point is 00:27:17 but there is that thing when someone is gay that it just creates a you never know with the kind of world and the kind of narrative it's going to form and stuff and how all the attention then fucking goes to that
Starting point is 00:27:28 even if it is accepting that it becomes all about that you know and the the possible so yeah I feel like in the other part of athletic is that usually an athlete's
Starting point is 00:27:42 I don't know what it is in hockey but a lot of an athlete's career is so fucking short you know it's not like wrestling where they can wrestle way into their like fucking 50s apparently but you know with other
Starting point is 00:27:52 with other sports maybe even with hockey you don't really go that long you know so you're rare and then you have to maintain a certain time of career after as well which can be really hard so I understand like the fear
Starting point is 00:28:04 when there's already a stigma around it you know and I don't where I'm out right now along then and I feel like I don't feel like Shane and I'llier anywhere near on the precipice
Starting point is 00:28:18 of coming out yeah I don't I don't either and they all have various different reasons. I mean, Ilya seems the least affected in that sense, and he seems the most sort of like pansexual in a way, even though obviously, like, you know, we see his most heated intimacy through Shane. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:34 But, yeah, it's like, I guess I would say he would be the first candidate, I would imagine, and then Scott after that, and then Shane after that. But I even now I'm sort of debating that with myself, and I don't feel like any of them is very close at all to coming out for real. no no yeah like you know i feel like especially for shane and ilia like they would have to be on solid footing with each other before anybody would even consider coming out yeah whereas scott is
Starting point is 00:29:02 more i feel like that's a little more up to him in a sense because it seems like he's very aware of this side of himself and you know wants this kind of life yeah whereas like i'm still sort of trying to decipher what is the exact ideal life for Shane and ilia you know yeah very true yeah very true uh yeah so let's start getting sorry i got distracted about one little thing else great eric horseman man with the r r tattoo hey hey a g and j now to the important question top or bottom i feel like if i ever start off i'd have to be a top i feel like i just come across as a bottom definitely so i don't think i should really even argue this point Rieke of bottom.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Yes. I have just one big ass. You know, but, you know. I can occupy that space. Who wouldn't want to flip flog? Who wouldn't want to explore? Be a switch. Why would you only want to do one?
Starting point is 00:30:03 Be a switch. Why would you only want to do one? Yeah, man. Come on. You have the options. Yeah. Plus, I don't think it's fair. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:11 He's one role for the whole relationship. Like if I'm gay. And I'm like, if I'm in a relationship with another guy, let's say we're going out for years I'm like yep this whole time I've never once done the bottom yes I am a top they put it on my license
Starting point is 00:30:28 when I got my gay license approved there must be I will be penalized if I do any bottom activities there must be I understand one's like a little more predominant but there must be a couple gay couples where it is that right there has to be one there are soft tops
Starting point is 00:30:43 and power bottoms and all sorts of other stuff I don't know any of those categories yeah Well, you know what I mean, though. Like, there's got to be a couple We're like, yeah, I've never once been the bottom. It's got to be, comment below if you've never been the bottom. That's crazy. I mean, in Terminator Dark Fate,
Starting point is 00:30:59 Arnold never slept once with that. That was a reference you guys were expecting. I know. No. That's what we just guys were thinking of it too. I mean, he would have been the top. Yeah, and then you would have died. It's just under thousands of pounds of medals.
Starting point is 00:31:16 You should always be the bottom just for him. Safety concerns. Logistically speaking. Anyway, which one are you? Comment below, top or bottom? Anyway, guys, I want to thank all of you who watched and have, you know, like, people like messaged me. That never happens for covering a show.
Starting point is 00:31:37 Like, I really didn't think it was that big of a deal. But apparently this show is a huge deal and is meaningful to a lot of people. and I'm glad I'm glad we loved it because I was like oh I wasn't aware just how much of an impact and then like people were yeah real rejects is covering this I'm like oh I guess this is kind of like a big thing and thank you for everyone who has been so kind
Starting point is 00:32:04 and in our corner and for letting us join this journey with you guys like it seems like the hype I remember when Mallory was reading this early in the year for their reading Smut show and it seems like that was just ahead of this adaptation coming out. So I get the sense.
Starting point is 00:32:19 I'll have to check, but it seems like the profile of these books and now this show has been like a wave that has been picking up momentum until the premiere now. I thought it was like a book talk big. I didn't think on like YouTube. Like I just never saw anything on YouTube about it.
Starting point is 00:32:33 So I just assumed like, yeah, I guess maybe on like the book talk community it's big. But, uh, or you or even, um, book tube. Book tube. Well,
Starting point is 00:32:42 and I think the HBO distribution, distribution cosine probably helps that become the phenomenon that it was because you get at least a certain amount of the buzz out of the internet and then just to see the quality of filmmaking too you know it's i i i in a weird way it makes sense that this should pop off in such a way and plus you know as in terms of like a queer show in the mainstream for some reason it makes sense just because again it's it's so human and lifey and it manages to do a bunch of again really steamy stuff in a way that still feels like it's in service of a drama. Like, I've seen queer sex, but usually, in shows, but usually it's not like a, like, just
Starting point is 00:33:22 a strictly queer show. Sure. You know, like girls, I remember seeing a good amount of, even in, I just been watching I Love LA, like the second episode or first episode has a scene, like right away, like I just cut to it. Well, and the sex here feels like dialogue. It feels like it's still important to the story. It still feels like it's important to the scene work and the development of things.
Starting point is 00:33:40 It doesn't feel like pulp necessarily. Cairally, even though it's still titillating and indulgent and passionate, you know. I said tidalating. Tidilating. Not all. We got one lady butt. No, no, no. Oh, we didn't even talk about her. I'll keep it two seconds. I feel really bad for her. That's going to suck. Yeah, it's going to be rough. That's part of what I contributed to my saddest goes like, who's going to suck? She loves him a lot. She seems very chuff. I hope they don't do the cliche around and like make her a bitch. I hope that they be at least become very good friends. yeah one can hope
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