The Reel Rejects - HIDDEN FIGURES (2016) MOVIE REVIEW

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

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All right. The film kicks off in 1961 and takes place over the following two years. It was like a couple of years. But in reality, Mary Jackson became the first black female engineer in NASA in 58. of the bombing history of becoming a supervisor more than a decade early in 1949. Oh, they need some drama. Yeah.

They still, they still made that impact in history. They still made their mark by getting these positions, graduations. The three women's closeness. I was really wondering about this. Because they're barely together in the film. That hurts. It hurts that they weren't close. They barely, let's find out.

Let's find out. All right. All right. Mary Catherine, Dorothy didn't actually cross-pocket. path as much as in the film. They seemed like they were best buzzed. Right. And they definitely weren't close friends who attended events for family milestones. This narrative changed put the women together

a variety of scenarios where they actually would have worked together frequently. Emphasizing their closest in the film, let them express themselves to other women who are in a similar situation to themselves, but it's also not really true. Yeah, you see, I had just a very... Because another story's really related to each other. Because I was like, what a coincidence

that the three of them would be best friends. And go work together. and then also make these, like, massive achievements and individual spots of their personal... Like, what a crazy... These are the coolest friends I've ever seen. I mean, it's still massively impressive what they've done, but...

Friendship goals. Once I realized, like, they're not really sharing that many scenes together, and it's really mainly Catherine's story, I started questioning the validity of how close they were. All right. Police incident. Yeah, that carpool scene's probably made up because they didn't actually hang out with each other.

Yeah. All right. Oh, okay. Well, hold on a second. Okay. Catherine made told women aren't allowed in briefings. I can believe that. Okay.

Okay. Oh, that's actually pretty accurate of how she, like, got in to the briefings. That's cool. That's awesome. Ooh, Kevin Costor's character. All right. Let's see. He plays.

He's not a real guy. Harrison is not a real history. Movies. The director was able to kill the rights to portray the real person who wanted to, so create a character who is a composite of three different NASA directors. Oh, my God. Similar, Jim Parson wasn't real, which is for the best, considering his racist and sexist attitudes.

Find the woman that Kirstenone's played, Vivian Mitchell is also a fictional creation. Oh, wow. Holy shit, our three main whitties, ain't even real whitties. Wow. Because the real white people were so bad. They couldn't be on screen. Costor was like, I want to be the super white.

Let them be subtly racist or not so subtle. Getting rid of the segregated toilet. Wrong. And what are the most satisfying moments of the movie? Kevin Costor's character dramatically smashes the sign for the color ladies' bathroom. There are a few pros of the scene. One, Costa did not exist. Second, segregation ended at Langley in 19.

Oh wow. Some critics argue that this created an unnecessary white savior moment. Hey, there's always room for a white savior moment. What else do they have in a movie like this? The movie screenwriter and director, Theodore Melfi, countered that. There needs to be white people who do the right thing. There needs to be black people who do the right thing. And someone does the right thing. As to who cares who does the right thing. As long as the right thing is achieved before we read the rest. theater or Melfi are you white or black i must find out because you know it's a fair point he's a white guy he's white he did good job though look good it's good it's so like your movie man it's a good great looking wife Kimberly Quinn awesome i don't know who you people are all right I like the movie, guys. All right. Catherine Johnson computing John Glenn's trajectory.

That is correct. Hell yeah. When he became the first American do so in the movie, we see Catherine work on Glenn's trajectory, which is totally accurate, is that when IBM computers seem to be giving them inconsistent numbers, Glenn really did ask for Johnson to simply check out the figures for him. And that he was willing to fly that day she confirmed them

because hidden figures is a double meeting intern. What? Yeah. It's talking about the figures, but also they're the figures in history that have. Oh, my God. Margaret and Lee, Shutterly, the author of the book, Hidden Fiery. She is based on a book, dude. Okay.

So the astronaut became a hero, looked to the black woman in this still segregated South at the time, as one of the key parts of making sure his mission would be a success. It's what I'm talking about. That is a real, not really a savior moment. it's actually the black one who saved but it makes him look great already half a mile they used the bathroom

okay dramatic for dramatic dramatic effect uh she had to walk half a mile to another building in order to use the colored bathroom in fact Mary Jackson who encountered the problem it was Mary Jackson who encountered this problem not Johnson

both had started like them for the NAC okay all right you switch it around yeah Catherine did experience Catherine's experience a workplace racism

shocker is wrong Catherine takes a stand against the segregation on NASA the real Catherine has stated that racism didn't

infect her much in the birthplace everyone was really nice they brought her gifts every day when she spoke to WHRO TV she said

I didn't feel the segregation of NASA because everyone was there doing research there actually is a shocker you had a chasm

first you had a mission and you worked on it it was important to you to do your job and play bridge

at lunch I didn't feel any segregation I knew it was there but I didn't feel it perhaps to reflect price i mean you gotta have the drama here's the thing i feel like because after seeing what actually looks like i'm gonna say that like there's little colorism at play here

she's a very like fair-skinned light-skinned black woman which i feel like if she was a darker-skinned black woman she would have gotten more harsher treatment you think so definitely let's look her up katherine langley especially back then yeah what's her last thing Langley, Langford? I wasn't Johnson. Is it Johnson? She got married from Johnson. I have a wo she known as.

No, Langley's the place. Yeah, I think you're right. God damn it. You might be right. Catherine Johnson. Yeah, it's easy to remember. Not bad. Two and a half hours on page for her.

We got a seven more than us. We're right here. We need a... Yeah, look at the colored photo. We need a colored photo of the black woman. That's not her. Is that her? Yeah, it's her.

She's like white passing. I mean, as a super old lady, maybe she got that way as she got older. I don't know. Why are all the younger photos in black and white? What's up with that? I can't. I don't know, man. At some photos, she looks like definitely.

click that black where i'm not saying she doesn't look black i'm just saying because she's lighter skinned that colorism is at play because they're like you look closer to us in tone okay we can be that's easier to accept yeah but yeah she was like like daniel calua black they'd be like oh i don't trust these colors yeah that's fair i mean no i do know that plays it plays oh yeah that's fair to a degree uh uh uh very uh very uh segregation is very real in the straight uh-huh uh-huh okay all right wow well you kind of pick up on it as the movie goes that some of this is a little hokey pokey yeah that's why it feels very hollywood that's why just started making jokes because i was like you can't tell that

something is just like you know that has that like holly but i can't lie to you guys i enjoy it i enjoy that kind of shit for some reason even when i'm watching it going like come on or yeah i'd save your movie i I love them. I eat them up. I eat your white savior. I really do enjoy them. And I think there's just enough actual really good things in here that really work for me.

I think it's a touching story. It still effectively gets the point across. Like the important part about it, like the important part about it that I think they got right is the mark that they were able to make. And like they really did become in they really did come into the positions that they can. into as the first African-American woman to do so, you know, and a lot of the, and especially for some like Catherine Johnson did some very extremely pivotal important stuff. And I think conveying that is important, even if you have to like do some narrative bullshitting to get a ton, you know, I still think they got that point across. And it got me curious to like want

to look up what's value. I just got to know. I got to find out. So you learn a little bit more about the truth behind it. And it's a story that I won't. ultimately never forget and my immediate reaction was like oh i'd love to see like a documentary about them uh like to really learn the truth so i think for those purposes alone it's good it's a touching story it's another story about you know like don't be racist because you never know like they might be might be might be able to get some good gains from them right the lesson to be learned yeah don't be Racist. You might be able to benefit off of their knowledge and labor.

And their labor. Great choice of words. Same. Oh, God. I. Hey, man. I'm not, despite what you think,

I have nothing against any people. My dog's black. I vote for my dog twice. that's funny that's my dog right there oh man okay I mean I also liked the movie I will say that

part of me is like I felt the hokeyness of the movie too and it does sadden me a little bit seeing some of these stuff some of the things that we looked up are factually inaccurate but you kind of sense that

as you're watching as well well let me ask let me put it to you like this then before we looked up this stuff because I can easily look at this stuff but still know exactly how I feel about the movie that does any of

before we looked it up what was your feelings? Before we looked it up I thought that it was Masterpiece Best Black movie the year No I think before I looked it up or we looked it up

I thought it was entertaining I think that you know I like the parallels between what the Black experience was at the time versus what they were experiencing within their workplace. It wasn't to the severity of what they knew on the outside, but still it was present.

And I just think that watching it, yeah, made me really grateful and it showed the strength of what it was like to be not only black, not only a woman, but both of those things within that workplace. And God knows being black and a woman

is hard in America. So being black and a woman in the 60s was even tougher. And the amount of strength, Virginia. My God. And West Virginia. Yeah. And the strength you got to have on top of being a mother. So you got to like feed your kids and go to work and deal with the workplace drama of it. And I think the part that really hit me was the fact that, you know, before we look this up, the fictionalized version of Catherine had to go half a mile to use the bathroom. And then she has to go home to her kids and tuck them into bed at night. I was like, oh, man, like to her kids. that she's a superhero you know she's like she's doing it she's paving away for these children and they have no idea the kind of stuff she has to deal with at work maybe they have some semblance of understanding because she is you know a black woman in the world and like these kids have to experience that because of where they live and the time they're living in but the fact

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boom boom boom they had good chemistry don't get me wrong but I just feel like I would have like to see more of that you know and yeah it is a little dishearting to find out that they weren't actually really good friends in real life. And I think something I would have liked to have seen addressed is the fact that Octavia Spencer's character's achievement had an adverse effect on affecting Catherine. And we didn't really touch on that at all during the movie. But, you know, I don't, it's not directly her fault for going after something that she wanted to be the supervisor while she was trying to gain respect within the room.

Yeah. I mean, of these crafts. She knew that she, that they were going to figure it out. So if she figured it out, she could help bring everyone along with her. Yeah. Yeah. So that was like the purpose of it. Yeah, no, man, I agree with you.

I still think because of the time it takes place and that I weirdly didn't question if that was true, if she had to like go go to the bathroom. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, that sounds like a thing that someone would probably have to endure, that a black woman would probably have to endure in a workplace like this during this time. And as much as this is like the piece. Because it's like a family accessible version of this story, which is why I give a lot of it a pass because it is and Graham, I cannot talk from the black experience of watching a movie like this. I cannot talk from the African American experience of it. I'm watching from that lens of like, it's a PG movie. So I know they're going to like tone down a lot of like what the day to day really felt like during this time. You know, so as much as they dramatize certain aspects to hammer in, like even how in the. fact versus fiction page that were explaining how you know kathen didn't even really feel the racism

and that's probably because she i can imagine i'm going to make an assumption here and i don't really like to make assumptions i'm going to i would imagine that when you grow up in a state like that being a black woman you probably deal with all kinds of shit all the fucking time that this is probably like so minimal in comparison that's like yeah no it's happened it's you tap it's here but I'm not that affected by it because I've dealt I deal with so much worse on a day to day basis you know so I can imagine that that that is probably it so you do need like the drama for your specific narrative that you're going to tell because you otherwise people aren't going to really if we did the super realistic version people probably wouldn't show up for

the movie um you know it might not be as interesting enough you know unless you're like Christopher Nolan making the film white saving their black story well if it was a realistic version of the film like none of this would would correlate because all this stuff happened at different times so I will judge it as a narrative and as a narrative I do think that yeah I kind of do wish because you start off with the three women and they do seem like they really just splinter off and I wish there was a bit of a stronger connective bow to them yeah because I would together again I would I would would kind of forget about Octavia Spencer and Janelle Monet. Yeah. I forget about Janel Monet especially. Octavia Spencer because I felt like her was like

the C or D story of this whole movie. Exactly. There was, yeah, well, it's just two hours and seven minutes. I think there was a lot going on for that amount of time. Because they're like, yeah, there's their stories and stories of the church, the stories of what's going on and with civil rights. And then there's her getting married, you know,

on top of that or her relationship. and yeah also the I guess it was just to establish but I thought the her being like this young prodigy in the 20s up to her adulthood would be more like relevant yeah because like seeing her seeing her see the the shapes in geometry I was like I guess it's just a starting point like an entry point to show how long she's been this smart I was like yeah I think you know maybe her being doubted everyone okay everyone in the black community was super supportive of these three women being like these uh these forward smart you know i'm sure they said the pay wasn't great but still i think that i don't maybe because it's a pg movie they don't want to need

like additional like layers on top of the fact that you know they're these black women within this uh this world of of nassah and like being the minority in that part but also push back from within the community as well. A lot of complicated things, but yeah, it was nice to see, you know, supportive black husbands or black romantic people in this, as you were kind of saying in the movie. A lot of the times of these movies, you know, like, I got an alcoholic black husband or boyfriend or something, you know. That's something I, that's something I will, I will say.

Like, there wasn't, it was very Hollywood eyes, but it wasn't like the stereotypical movie in which we see where it's like, you know, about like drugs or like the baby mama drama or like all of this stuff. Like granted, which is obviously real people's experiences, but I liked that it, the light in which these women were painted in in this movie. I love that they had a straight up white saviour moment. That makes me so happy, buddy. They completely made that shit up.

It's crazy. The dude wasn't even real, bro. It's probably like one of the biggest moments of the movie. And it's such a big moment. He didn't even happen. He's three different guys. And right away, you were like, that probably didn't happen. Right away, you said it.

I'm like, yeah, I probably didn't happen. You look at it. I'm like, it's going to even exist. And it's such a big moment in the movie. Insane. It's such a crowning achievement. Look what I've done. Oh, it's so funny.

Wow. That cracks me up. It was a great moment, though. It was good. I like that shit. I do. I eat it up. I eat up.

the cliches because well like I think the movie is is very for a movie that starts off about like geometry and shapes I what I respect very much so is the the way this movie's framed I think there's the I think the cinematography in this movie is the kind of thing can easily be overlooked but there's a lot of like wide framing that they do throughout where I felt like every shot was actually really composed but it wasn't done in a way that was to like go look at me I'm a cool director you know but it's still shot really well like every shot is really well composed but it doesn't feel flashy or self-indulgent it's a little self-indulgent in the writing but not so much in the actual directing they did and even though kevin cost was made up guys i actually did a really great job was great that Kevin costner was excellent i i really liked him a lot um they no boldness on the just made him like that the only really nice white guy

on NASA is Kevin Kastner all he cares about science space and equal rights so funny because you're like there's no way you're the only one if you're the only one makes me go there must have been other people who were cool with black people or

you had Or it's totally bullshit that you were the only one who was nice. Yeah. As we're watching, I realize I'm like, I don't think Kristen Dunst has any other scenes with anybody else in this movie. Yeah. And that's the other pitfall in the movie. They go into white redemption, like racist redemption character mode with some of these people, you know? And like, look, they can change.

We all can change. We should accept black view. That quote, oh, that was such a terrible quote for that director. But man, that cheese, I love the cheese in the moment. I really do. I can acknowledge it because it is one of those things where you're like, oh, it is the line. It is the line that Octavia Spencer has, the bar that she drops of when Kirsten Dunn says, I have nothing against, you know, y'all.

And then she goes, I know you believe that. Yeah. And that's kind of this movie. This movie believes that everything it's doing is great and that it's well-intentioned. So when I'm watching this film, I'm going, well, it's got a heart's in the right place, I think. They think their hearts in the right place. And that's okay, I guess.

Look at us. Let's pat ourselves in the back to this one, guys. The end of the day, they're saying, don't be racist. that one can't be wrong with that don't be racist believe in black woman in science yeah and at the end of the end of they did introduce to a really cool story with and with great performances from

particularly um what's her name to Raji I don't know Toraji P. Henson that is her name I don't know why I guess I guess I guess myself the bathroom scene or the reveal the when she's talking to Kevin Koster I'm like that's your Oscar moment that's your Oscar scene right that's what I mean that moment right there was I got distracted going, this is totally

like Oscar Oscar scenes here. That's the scene they play at the Oscars. Great speech but totally totally aware what this scene I'm looking at is right now. Like really well done.

But I'm also hyper aware that this is your Oscar Bates scene. Oh yeah. Oh, something I wanted to see the um, if this was up for an Oscar at the costume. You're going to charge me for over time we're about there 20 seconds away from two and a half We're going to say that it was nominated for an Oscar. Oh, let's want to see if it's nominated for anything.

We can find out. Yeah. Let's find out. I don't have a whole bunch of other stuff to do after this, you know. Let's find out. All right. Oscar. Let's go.

Let's go. What are you nominated for anything? What are you looking nominated for three Oscars? Ah, costuming is one of them. I know it. I hope so. Kevin Costner was nominated That would be crazy

You can see it happening Didn't Sandra Bullock win for the blindside Did she? Yeah I've never seen it I gotta watch it Especially now I watch about myself

I don't care Damn you internet load Okay here we go Oh dude it was nominated for best pitcher Was it really? I thought it was good. I don't think it was best picture good. Octavia Spencer got, oh, best supporting actors, okay.

Yeah. So, okay, no costume ones? I mean, Octavia Spencer's like Oscar Darling. She won for the help. Oh, such a white savior movie. Still need to watch the home. Great movie, though. I love that movie. Problematic, way more problematic than this movie.

Really? Oh, yeah. You look at that shit. Freaking, um, what's her name? um viola davis like says that like that was a mistake for her to make that movie yeah really yeah yo i didn't know that good at it what he said she shouldn't have made it that's crazy something something along the lines pretty much like disowning the film oh wow okay now that makes me want to watch it more and the writer best adapted screenplay okay okay i was nominated for costuming

well well well well well got nominated for for something so i'm half right dude dude merhershaw lee won the best actor at the bet awards are you serious for showing up in the movie showing up and being pleasant he's just nice just a nice black man that's all he whatever i'm sure there's an actor more deserving that year oh it's because it's shared with Luke cage because he had like a multiple amount of roles that year i think oh okay all right all right okay that makes more sense right is that he's great with this movie's telling me that was my him was lucage oh my god he's one of the best white saviour movies green book have you seen that green book's great i love that movie best what's one of the best

it's a buddy movie yeah road trip buddy movie oh my god but it's he's fantastic in that movie he is he won the Oscar as he should have as he should have and um and and when when the director won best picture i don't think he even think of her shortly oh wow of course he didn't that is white white thanks for getting me here savior save your festival

oh god we could have had a more nuanced discussion about it but I think we I think we did our job we were honest and I liked it

what would you give out of 10 Aaron's end this I go to seven yeah I'm probably there we do yeah seven what's our rod tomatoes that's a great movie though

which one American fiction Thanks for watching a movie. I know. I know. This is my fourth favorite movie, 2023. Damn, dude. 93% all the other out of 50,000 people.

Wow. There, there. How many of them are white? Oh, man. All right. Let's do a whole new review. That's crazy. It's a true triumph.

I'm just going to type in an important film. What if it's like the only ones who like had slight issues with it? I thought it was a good movie. The wrong lesson white people learn from white. yeah no man it's a good movie yeah all the leads were great you know it's just the the moving around of times

and and creating a story hey it's a crowd pleasing good time I had a fun time Aaron does it feel a good movie had a fun time feel good movie inspired all righty guys well what do you think about hidden figures leave your thoughts down below

be sure to uh should I watch the blind side you should watch the blind side Watch the blind side. And then talk about how that movie's problematic. Nah. Dude, there's a crowd player. White Savior movies are meant to be crowd pleasers.

They are. That's what they all are. Just enjoy them and don't think about it. They're meant to be like, yeah. It's meant to ease your white guilt. It's okay. I think the intention of White Savior movies to

is to inspire. white people to not be racist. That's the genius of them, Aaron. We're not so bad. It's okay. Look, doesn't it feel good to not be, to not be racist? We could be like that. Like, wow, I shouldn't be racist.

That's cool. It works. I think it's a great movie. Leave your thoughts down below. Hidden Figures 2. Catherine will return. Hammon, Maria, it was your birthday recently, so I wanted to say, happy birthday to you. And for 2024, we got to send you a gift.

Yes, we do. What are we realistically going to send her? A puppy, no. Your responsibility. We don't want it. We found it on the street. Take it. Please.

Take it is alive. We just packed it in a UPS box, taped it. Shaped it. Like fragile on the side. There's a bowl of water. Hopefully it doesn't fly. all over this thing. Oh, goodness.

We could get her something commemorative. We can name a star after her. That's not a bad gift, John. You know, I'm saying. Like, I mean, of all the things, to commemorate your life. Will it cost more than what she pays every month for a shot? Undoubtedly. So, you know what?

We'll have to have a financial life. If you can increase your pledge so we can get you this gift. I think you only have to pay for it once. So, like, you know, you don't subscribe to the star. Unfair. See what you didn't. You wanted the star, and now you just took advantage of those. It made it seem like you were giving, and now we've got to give you a gift.

Once you fully paid off your gift. Thanks. But seriously, we appreciate you. We're going to get you something. We're thinking about it. But now, thank you for being such an amazing human being. Here's to another 78 more years of enjoying. I'm not saying you're 78.

I was just throwing out a random. number just to stay alive for at least that much more time lives past like 80 on average right yeah it's like the going rate right now what is the average person maria let's make this really fun for your birthday what is the average mortality yeah type it in what is the average mortality rate what is the average average average i really don't know how I have no idea told you. Okay, so we're getting close. 73.16 years according to Quora.

Okay. Is the average life expectancy in the world right now. I hope you be the first person. What is the oldest person I've ever lived? Actually, 70 years for men and 75 for women. Yeah, okay. I got less problems. That's why.

That's right. Much more relaxed life. What is the oldest person? How old is the current? oldest first in the world Oh, you can beat them. All right, Maria.

They're only 116 years old. They live in Spain. Their name's also Maria. Oh, my God. Holy shit. It was meant to be. Maria, you got to be the new dominant, extended life, Maria.

Yes. If you could just make it to 118, I think you've got a good amount of distance between the next runner up. So we're going to do whatever it takes. That's what we're going to do. going to send you an IV. We're going to get you cryo frozen.

Yes. We're going to send you some vitamins. We're going to get you some, oh, oh, that ever takes to get you. That baby blood stuff that people are always freaking out about. People talk about quality of life, not quantity. Hell with that. I don't care how miserable you get. I don't care if you develop some debilitating disease of the next couple of years and

you're just like, oh, my God, just put me out of my misery. No, we will trap you. We're going to get you that hydrochrome. Even if we have to just keep your head alive in a tank like Futurama, we will do it to make sure you make it to one. That's your gift. That's your gift. You can put your head over here on the set. Your gift is not letting you die.

Yes. Your gift is forced immortality. That's good. So, yeah. Happy birthday, Maria. Love you. You've been an absolute gem in our lives. And you know, damn well, that we know that.

So thank you, my dear. Thank you.