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Starting point is 00:01:59 A lot. I like last episode. I love this one. 10 out 10. No notes. No notes. Keep it as it is, guys. Don't need to change it.

Starting point is 00:02:09 Nope. Good job. Export it. Put it up on HBO. I'll put it up on HBO. This is good to go. He finally got our stamp of approval. You're set.

Starting point is 00:02:20 Yeah, that was awesome. That was so tense. And this is great writing. The dialogue scenes between the characters was excellent. from Damon to Renera when they're having the showdown of truths coming out because there and then just even little exchanges like between Otto and Alicent or just freaking Kristen and Aric from the big blowout fight between Otto and Agon. Oh my God, keeping up these names, a little bit of a challenge.

Starting point is 00:02:55 No, you're killing it. You're killing it. Otto and Agon and every scene is just so complex and there's so much more underneath even what they're saying and it's a lot of like truths revealing themselves while simultaneously things that are repressed that are like coming out and then their their emotional state is being dictated via reactionary to what they have just learned or experienced. It's so strong like it's it's really it feels really human and the way every character is being written and each one with a very distinct voice in their dialogue because it's very easy for this

Starting point is 00:03:36 show to sound quite lofty and flowery in its language it's game of thrones been evil times you know and and i and i feel like they reserve a lot of those like ditching bars for auto but they still everyone still gets like really unique lines here and i i like seeing just how you know what really matters on this like as they're building up to this all-out war you're watching like how strong are the legs within each one of these houses to maintain themselves on the battle and it crumbles from within on each camp from its own internal friction that weakens um the the the defense and offense that they can possess via through battle and a lot of it is via through people succumbing to their own emotions

Starting point is 00:04:25 versus just thinking you know logical I suppose or rationally but this is a thick one man there's a thick that's like a general thought process of it all because you got the grieving of Jiharis yes

Starting point is 00:04:41 yes Helena and Agon Taryn apart Agon I think he's just been shaping up since last episode to be a very interesting character like he's really compelling to watch and which one's the other brother that they named what the fuck who's that guy oh oh day who is who did young um david tenant play who tenants kid play that was that was a that was a that was it oh goodness he played young agon right little david tenant david like a progen of the tenant

Starting point is 00:05:15 yeah you're the one that taught me that oh was i damn i got to see his face again it's been long since season one in terms of those kinds of things um was it was a guy who was like touching himself in the window oh that was that was a gone right i thought so yeah yeah yeah because he's always he was always the the hornier of the brother i don't remember agon and even who's his other brother i'm like wait a minute dymar damon i'm totally blank drawing a blank there yeah um anyway we can be enlightened in the comments but then yeah like an amen back at the brothel and paying off that one little encounter that he had when they were searching for agon towards the final episode second final ultimate episode of season one uh there's so much that happened here and i'm just listing off facts instead of the time it's going to do it's good this is a good recap just trying to remember like everything is get that wikipedia uh synopsis but don't right I mean, right from the top. The, that I think the way this, this actually accelerated in the, okay, so in the penultimate of season one, how events happened.

Starting point is 00:06:34 And then, uh, Viseris, he has, he mutters stuff in his sleep. And then the final episode is just like, frigging, let's put your foot on the pedal here and watch things just escalate, right? Yeah. That was the penultimate or? I don't remember. It doesn't matter. But the following episode, that's kind of how I felt about this episode was, like, like last episode was a little slower, a little bit more somber, and a little bit of recap and

Starting point is 00:06:56 set up. And then this one just had such, oh my God, even Renera and, uh, white worm lady. I forgot her name, but Renera and white worm girl, the Lissarium, yeah, but, but they're scenes together, but they're watching how this just sort of ramped up where the attention just became more increased. It was like kind of like a chokehold on the, on the, on the heart here and the emotions, you know? Oh, yeah. And how they're like manipulative. And then can you make the moral choice in the middle of wanting nothing but bloodshed, you know? And I think drawing the differences between the type of leadership that team black, team green represents versus House Black, like for even Renara to let, um, white worm. I thought something was going to happen with that, by the way, when she was on the water. And she's like, give me a moment. Yeah. I don't know what that. Maybe in the next episode we'll find out that she came in and warned. Like, you're both here, man. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:51 Get in there. Well, because it did seem like Eric with the knee, like at some point during that shell game, cat and mouse, you know, walking through the halls sequence, it seemed like his direction changed pointedly. So like,

Starting point is 00:08:07 I don't know if maybe she in some unseen to us way had something to do with that or whatever. I imagine she broke in and said something. And that's why he knew to charge inside. Yeah. Because he was like, he was ready for like he knew something was going down. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:08:21 certainly. seemed like so I imagine that she came in and said something to him and that'll and theoretically that would make for a cool moment in the next episode for uh milasario white worm to to come in and be like hey despite how this all ended up like you might be dead if I hadn't you know come in with this info or something like that I could be a a good chess move well I think the scene like she gives respect to why she shows respect at the end of the day to I'm just going to call her white worm because I'm not confident in her actual first name. She shows respect to her by fulfilling, like, her freedom. And it's something that I'm sure she is not used to at all. Yeah. And I think that's like the big difference, like in the line and the sand between what happens here is like people follow because of hierarchy, because you're supposed to.

Starting point is 00:09:12 And then you have the other side where people follow because they want to. And Rainera inspires followers, you know. And I think that is such a. a great thing that they keep managing to illustrate because they keep her very human whilst demonstrating strength in these scenes. But, all right, let's just

Starting point is 00:09:31 go back to the beginning. I suppose. What happened with Damon? What was the entertainment that they talked about? Oh, yeah, he's just out here. He's just plotting whatever move on Kingslanding he's going to make. Well, it's interesting to go from season one

Starting point is 00:09:47 to seeing Viseris. Because you see so many perspectives and season one like this is a multiple perspective show and all these thoughts that have he's been harboring about how he thought visceris really viewed him and was threatened by him and and then also like i love again everything's multi later like with damon yeah of course he feels like the throne was usurped from him of course he feels like he should have been owed the throne and maybe there's in some way he does weaponize his marriage with her but it's also doesn't mean he doesn't love her you know he also still does love her

Starting point is 00:10:25 he also still is a devoted to her but it can be and a lot of times in these arguments is it like one or the other and it's like no it's kind of like you put your hands together you know watch that it's it's all these things all coming together yeah and and i think that's why the writing is so good is because sometimes the hard stuff will that the darkness can overshadow the the light and the other side of the intentions that are good and supportive, you know? And it's like, wow, there's something about, like, Damon and Ernera, like, them together that I do find, like, Uncle Husband, power a couple. I mean, there's something. I feel like that's part of the lane that the Game of Thrones universe seeks to exist in is sort of the, like, I shouldn't be about this, but there's something undeniable about it.

Starting point is 00:11:16 Totally for it's going to make a whole world question. Sure. It'd be dating my uncle. Sure, yeah. You and your uncle could make a very, very strong alliance. Let me tell you. But that's the, yeah, that's the magic of the writing here, is things like that where you're like, oh, yeah, two things kind of are true at once. And that makes for good tension.

Starting point is 00:11:36 And it's impressive because I feel like a lot of the time you have characters on shows who, like, you know, you have the thing that they're about or their motivation, so to speak, that we can all see on the surface. And sometimes it doesn't go further beyond that. I like that in this show, you get the sense that characters have what they believe, you know, in the front of their mind, but every character also has like a very alive subconscious and alive denials that they're also victim to. And I mean, even like with it, it's very kind of apparent with a character like Kristen Cole, but like things like that where it's like, oh, clearly you're like acting out of guilt, even though you probably don't want to admit to yourself that's sort of that that's like a bedrock of your character at this point. It's just crazy watching Kristen I think early on I was like this guy has a piece of shit And then he just does more piece of shit things

Starting point is 00:12:28 He just like gets shittier He is the worst like Nice guy scorned turned Into just an asshole like yeah I cannot Is it there One thing I love about this Of these shows when they're

Starting point is 00:12:42 You know firing on it all cylinders Is those pendulum moments Like in this episode in isolation I'm like man I'm like totally with auto right now like and there are times where I'm like very much opposed to him and Kristen Cole is one of the few characters where I'm like nah like F this guy I cannot wait to see somebody take him down a peg or beat the crap out of him or something and it seems like he's only going to elevate before that

Starting point is 00:13:09 you know has any chance of happening and it's maddening but also props because like that's those are one of those like kind of thankless roles to play where you have to really kind of bite into being that and I think he does a really good job and yeah the the whole thing of like him and agon you know broing up together and yeah it's like I want to steal fist as my hand you know all that shit uh it's good because yeah like there's so many entanglements and I have to imagine that you know his positioning between alicent and rinera is going to rear its ugly head at some point because of all the history we've witnessed up till now and uh yeah like I don't know The nuances are nice because it feels like real politics.

Starting point is 00:13:54 Like throughout this episode, there's so many people who are like trying and who don't really have like a means to grieve or to process the emotion. And like the political machine is always moving and you can't really take a break from it. And so yeah, it's like you're watching it's well conceived in my eye because yeah, you're watching, you know, ostensibly the political machinations, but seeing just how much like just huge. human, you know, split second decision, human error, human inclination, you know, plays so heavily into all of that and the push pull of like, well, we can use this death, you know, strategically to garner favor to our side. But, you know, now, you know, it's for somebody like Agon, obviously, that's not a satisfying outcome to any of this. And yeah, I don't know, the whole thing about putting children on the throne and letting them age in the position of

Starting point is 00:14:50 ultimate power come of age in position of ultimate power. Like, yeah, the amount of layers that have to be conceived of, like, I would be fascinating to watch this writer's room, figure everything out. And granted, like, it's all in books. But even that is like, and I know that, especially like on the heels of last week's episode, there were some complaint and controversy about how they handled, you know, the slaughter of the air and, you know, how that transpires in the book versus how it transpires here. but um just all that that they've distilled into this package well like i i i think the strength

Starting point is 00:15:28 that the show did to to interject you before i lose a thought is is that the strength that i think that maybe it's like this in the book i don't fucking know is that when it comes to because yeah i heard i heard the details like oh in the book it's so much worse and i heard the specifics this is this is the show for that yeah the game of thrones in this are like in the book it's way more well it's a little bit more to my understanding, it's not like, go get Aven and, oh, there's a misunderstanding. It's like a son for a son. Whereas here, you know, we saw that that's not

Starting point is 00:16:00 the conversation that transpired, but the brilliance that I think comes in the form of the scene with Damon and Renera is that it still causes Renera to doubt Damon and to question if this is what he really did and to ultimately land on, I don't trust that you are telling me the truth of the way this conversation went down.

Starting point is 00:16:18 Even though we know, I think it actually makes it stronger as opposed to like, oh, David's just a pure psychopath, you know. And it's a good way to use that, yeah. And yeah, I do especially appreciate and, you know, they have their row during this episode, but even still

Starting point is 00:16:33 not everything is out on the table and he's another pendulum character where you're like, I've seen this guy be vile, I've seen this guy surprise me with, you know, certain allegiances or tenderness or whatever. And it's fun to be in that position where you're like, damn, I don't really

Starting point is 00:16:49 know what this guy is going to do next and he kind of just rode off and we didn't really ever check back in with him uh in a very meaningful way so you know to me you know without the experience of the books anything can happen next and that's fun and exciting because it does feel like man this all of the order of this world hangs on so many little tiny little threads yeah well i think too that even for something like auto he's not as smart like he was like he was was making a lot of mistakes. You know, like he, I think he thought, at least to my interpretation of it, and I'm curious if you guys were listening to what maybe your interpretation is of it,

Starting point is 00:17:32 is that he failed to be a grandfather. You know, he failed to look after Agon in a time of true grieving and mourning, and he thought just so political at the same time, I think he didn't ever treat Agon with a kingly respect because of the, the machinations of what led him to be on the throne, and at the same time, I think because he's his grandfather, he thought it could kind of talk down to him as well. Sure. He never, ever, you never really see him speak in a way that regards him with, with respect. It's, it's never like an uplifting way, you know? He's never really empowering him. Yeah. So I think, I think that, like,

Starting point is 00:18:10 you even see the mistakes that Otto has made in a little bit more subtle ways, but you feel the ickiness of it like right from the get-go of like they're just trying to and if and maybe if he was there for him when he was grieving like is even like agon he's that you see him weeping alone he can't even confide in his sister-wife you know you got to list the siblings you got to the family relationship for keep that then blood period um yeah but he can't even confide in his sister wife and and and and and and if he's like crying alone his mom doesn't comfort him like there's no one there from him. It's like, oh, I was actually maybe there for him emotionally. Maybe he wanted him just made these stupid-ass decisions. Yeah. Undone. And maybe this well of rage might not

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Starting point is 00:23:44 character emotional physical it's like this is just a moment to bask in like how overwhelming and like harsh and traumatizing this new layer must be and i wonder where um god what is her name what's her actual name hey hey helena helena helena helena with an a i don't know if i'm just pronouncing that way because of how it's spelled or if it just pronounced helena Yeah. We'll go with Helena for now and people can correct them. I believe it's just I think it's just Helena. But I'm curious to see what becomes of a character like that too because you know not necessarily the most focal or prominent, but certainly is somebody who I could see gaining the motivation to maybe tap into what limited power her position and lot does afford her. She has a power too. Sure. Absolutely. She's the queen consort. No, no, she has like an actual like power. She's like a sire or something. What was the, what's the word? A seer?

Starting point is 00:24:41 Seer, yeah, seer. Oh, yes. Oh, because, yeah, she has like the premonitions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that, but also, like, you know, I guess the combination of maybe, yeah, some kind of direct embrace of that. Plus, you know, maybe a motivation to be more active in all of this mess.

Starting point is 00:24:59 Yeah. Because, you know, something so personal has been taken from her. And she has had to kind of bear both the human brunt as well. well as like the political machine brunt of parts of that um but the performance is just across like i do like every actor from i mean like are the erics really twins i think like because i feel like in the first season we saw them next to each other a fair amount and i feel like those wouldn't necessarily be i mean twin technology is way better now you can do that yeah but it feels like the kind of thing you would want to hire actual twins for like if it is an effect and if it is just

Starting point is 00:25:37 one guy that it is one of the most remarkable instances of that because up till now i've never had a reason to doubt beyond the idea of like sure seems like they're twins you know and and like there's doubt in there because of that and i and i kept thinking throughout this episode and if they're not twins then lull but like part of me is always marveling at the idea that you have to get you have to luck out that you have two identical twins who are also good at actors who can carry on these roles together and like that was heartbreaking and the fact that he falls in the swath like that's another one of those things where it's like the plan goes according to sort of plan but then things get messy go sideways a new wrinkle that hadn't been

Starting point is 00:26:23 accounted for necessarily so it's almost like null sending him in there but why did he as much as I know everyone not everyone I'm sure vast majority people know the answer and I'm here as a guy on the internet. I actually don't know why. Why did he fall on the sword? Is it just the shame of having killed his own brother? I think it was the, my guess would be that it's the combination of the anguish. Like his, the wounds he's sustained didn't seem life-threatening to me, but this is also

Starting point is 00:26:54 a time where like, you know, I'm sure infection. I don't think it was life. My, yeah, I kind of took that as sort of like a breaking of the soul, sort of, yeah, I was forced to bear down my own. brother look how far we have been you know cast asunder from each other i don't want to live anymore okay so i'm the same all right and and even i didn't know if there was like some like rule here that i'm like i don't know about not that i'm aware but that's something yeah i would absolutely be interested to hear some context for if there is greater context but um but yeah like

Starting point is 00:27:26 because to uh emma darcy and and matt smith especially in these couple episodes like haven't been the most focal characters in terms of just screened time but like emma darcy i think their performance is terrific because like they have to embody so much oh yeah we just lend their pronouns yes which is which is i guess when referring to rinera we will go she when referring to evadarcy we will go they and hopefully you know neither the twain she'll meet but um but yeah like their performance i think is is is one of like great like just the all those combinations and layers whenever queen riner is on screen.

Starting point is 00:28:08 You respect, John. I do my best. But whatever she's on screen, like, the amount I'm ever fascinated by the fact, and I think it's obviously quite intentional, she is the one character that seems like trying the hardest to balance the weight of emotion versus the weight of actually running a kingdom. And, you know, like, ironically, she spent so much time with Viseris that, you know, She has all that poise and grace and wit and she's smart enough to be suspicious and all these things. But she still has like this soft grace about her that doesn't feel like any other performance in the show to me.

Starting point is 00:28:49 I mean, she was still for most, a lot of her life being raised under the impression, I will be king and I have to command and I have to learn certain, certain ways to carry myself. And how to think too. And as a girl, I got to grow up way quicker than any of these. boys do like if any world is is sort of prescriptive of that idea it certainly seems like this is one where the girls grow up much faster and much more harshly and i it is easy for me to actually like sometimes forget that they're they're not just alison's kids those are also rineras siblings yeah it's easy for me in the moment like oh yeah they're siblings and and luke and jake's uncle is friggin is

Starting point is 00:29:36 Allison's you know schemer guy like so there are all these like icky little familial cross hairs oh yeah yeah yeah

Starting point is 00:29:43 yeah yeah Laris is a strong I thought he would be the worst one but that's always the thing with Kristen Cole who's turning out to be the worst yeah it's weird

Starting point is 00:29:52 when the snake guy shows up and you're like I'd much rather trust you at least I kind of know what I'm getting with you but yeah go miss the rows they were cool

Starting point is 00:30:03 and I really loved I thought I love this episode a lot I was a fantastic episode that was a fantastic yeah I would agree the first one I was like yeah this is cool this feels like episode 11 but this was like I was gripped from from go to finish and it was everything all in one big package

Starting point is 00:30:21 and I heard I think it was the showrunner or one of the writers or somebody was saying like you know yeah like we've got a lot of stakes and I'm really excited for some of the spectacle that we have coming up in the season but especially these first two episodes like some of the emotional and the, you know, contextual stuff we were able to achieve, you know, I, uh, they seemed quite excited about and, uh, and yeah, like, that's, I think the balance of these shows and especially of the Game of Thrones universe is like, you know, I'm excited for war to see what

Starting point is 00:30:53 horrible, you know, clashes come down the line. But like, this is the meat that I like really love about this world is these sort of gray, you know, sometimes mess. Maddeningly gray, sometimes, you know, strikingly, sort of arrestingly gray things that they get to do. For show, for show. Well, guys, what do you think? Leave your thoughts down below in the comments. Had an amazing time. Thank you, John, for being John of House Reject.

Starting point is 00:31:22 Yes. And we will see you guys. Hopefully next week. Yeah, unless they canceled the show. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe the ratings will be low. It is a woke show.

Starting point is 00:31:36 It's all about, you know, people trying to put a woman on the throne and how it destroys society when you do that. Is that... It's what the show is about. Is that woke? If they're saying... Trying to put them on the throne. Yeah, they're trying to force this woman on all of us.

Starting point is 00:31:52 But we won't let them, G. We won't let them. Not today. Yeah. All right, bye, everybody. David Gandy. David Gandy. You know what celebrity you remind me of?

Starting point is 00:32:09 Oh. Robert De Niro. Because I see you speak and I go, I don't know if this guy really likes me. I don't know if he's completely unimpressed. Or what it may be. But then, you know, come to find out that like Robert De Niro, you just have a really serious listening face and you're actually kind of shy. You've got a deep well of emotion. Like, while you're actually a very talented individual who loves to express himself via the arts,

Starting point is 00:32:41 when it comes to sit-down conversation, socializing may not be the thing you feel the most comfortable in. And that's okay. It's like a interesting to look at. Yeah, absolutely. This is probably the most sincere celebrity likening one probably conceived of. Yeah. Robert De Niro, I would say. Yeah, people might be afraid to come up and approach you, but I bet if they do,

Starting point is 00:33:01 they find that there's actually somebody, welcoming and and eager to listen inside. Yeah, and you probably want to get the hell out of that conversation as soon as possible because it caused you a lot of anxiety. Yeah. Like Robert De Niro, I'm assuming. And maybe, you know, because you have such a chill demeanor, maybe once in a while you're prone to like a violent outburst or something like that, just, you know, because

Starting point is 00:33:21 you've bottled so many things up over time. Amen to that, sister. But, you know, much like Robert De Niro, you can let that stuff out. And then we can all enjoy watching it. So, you know, appreciate you. keeping the faith. He's also Robert De Niro. Seems like a faithful guy.

Starting point is 00:33:37 No. He just plays faithful people. He just plays faithful people. He just plays, this is good acting. It's good actor. And the same goes for David King. He pretends to be a Christian. Just so he can play guitar at the services.

Starting point is 00:33:49 I see you.

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