The Reel Rejects - INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE 2x06 & 2x07 REACTION - THE BEST MOST HAUNTING EPISODE YET!

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Starting point is 00:01:08 Let's make sense of this industry together. What is up there? All right, here we go. All right, people. So we were going to just watch episode five to six, seven, and eight. That episode was so good. We got to talk about it. Yeah, it's got to be its own video now.

Starting point is 00:01:29 It's got to be its own video. Wow. Sorry, no questions were put out for episode seven because we were glad I just watching episode. episode eight, but, um, I don't know where, again. Well, you kept saying, let's begin. The courteous thing is for me to let you go first. No, no, no, no, you kept saying.

Starting point is 00:01:45 The courteous thing is you go first and I nod my head while you talk. I think you and I both feel the same way anyway, but you, you kept saying throughout this is your favorite episode of the show so far. So what about it? Made it your favorite episode. Well, I'm going to use Garage Man to block the backup recording of your face, but just keep me on screen. So that way, whenever you're looking this way, or it is, you, I mean, I'm in.

Starting point is 00:02:06 all directions of this conversation. You all see me here when you're looking and then you turn to me. So I'm just, well, you guys can't see. There's a backup recording. Do you feel like I was looking at myself? I'd know, I decided be funny. I'll do that. I kind of thought you were about it.

Starting point is 00:02:20 I was like, ah, she's not coy. If this was here, Quo would only look at himself the entire time. I've seen it happen in real time. The number one criticism I get is that I don't stop looking at my co-hosts. You don't see that on all the comments? No, but in this backup recordings here, all Koi does is look at himself talk. That's funny. Anyway, it's cool.

Starting point is 00:02:37 You know, cool. It's very Lestat of him. Yeah, it's very Lestat and coy of him. Lestat and coy would not get along because they're too self-absorbed. All right. So here we are talking about interview of the vampire. I was so impressed at this because it did the whole, first off, it was, well, I already in order to be kidding.

Starting point is 00:02:52 It was just so, like, it was so fucking intense. I know, it really was. It was the most intense episode, I think we've ever experienced. Yeah, because we've been waiting. And as much as it's been, like, tension and development. and emotion. There's been a little bit more of like a pontification and a wandering and a building of what was happening in this particular season. Nothing really kind of got my, like the last episode before in San Francisco was really good and really informative and very deep. There's been a lot of

Starting point is 00:03:21 depth this season, but nothing quite like got the emotions that riled up in like so many different directions. And it was so captivating because everything was coming to a forefront. And it's one of those episodes. It's so emblematic of the entire series because it's not like you can just show someone this episode to prove a point of how good it is. Like, you need to watch every episode of the entire show to appreciate this one episode. Yeah, somebody just came in cold to this. I don't know that it would have any kind of impact. Yeah. And it's, the entire series has primarily been watching Louis' perspective on everything. And when he's telling his perspective, he's being performative. And as we've been watching this season, he's been breaking down his performance in the interview and

Starting point is 00:04:02 becoming more authentic in his delivery. And then we cut to Lestat, who was alternating between the performance and being real. And when he's being real, he's like throwing the whole script off. But it was so fascinating to go back and be like, holy shit, you know, I didn't think there was a way to view any of that stuff different in season one from Lestat's perspective. You were constantly bringing up a very pivotal moment when he drops. Yeah. Drops Louis.

Starting point is 00:04:28 And I love how it did two things. it went from, well, I kind of get why he was pushed to go that far. And I think we even kind of discussed that a little bit when it's like, well, they're vampires. You know, and he dropped them. It's bad. But I don't think, I think you knew he wouldn't die. And that was even being brought up. He did to hurt.

Starting point is 00:04:44 But he did it to hurt him. And then he's actually taking accountability for that. So did two things. He'll never be sorry. Yeah. I was like, wow, what a great way to like revisit this moment in time and address a lot of things that audiences were arguing about probably or debating and be able to. be able to acknowledge multiple sides and have so many truths

Starting point is 00:05:03 coexist all at once in this one moment. And that's just one part. I'll stop talking now. Why? Because, you know, it's only fair. I'll just look at myself on this backup recording while you talk. What am I talking about? You know, I don't want to say you up for a specific question.

Starting point is 00:05:16 Way to really feed me. Yeah, I'm just going to, you know, whatever you want to talk for. I'm with you that it's hard to kind of know where to start in terms of the production value is obvious. I mean, we're mostly talking about seven right now, but I really enjoyed six as well. Um, but... And the seven, Roxy.

Starting point is 00:05:31 It was all these. The thing that we've been saying from the beginning that is really more true now than ever is that I don't really know who to trust because it's all perspective based. And when we're doing things like ripping pages out of diaries or erasing other people's memories or seeing things behind closed doors or reading other people's minds or doing bait and switches or telling different versions of story from Claudia or what Louis saw when he was going to go to Europe versus. what Lestat saw versus what Armand knew when he pretended and not know that about the Lestat, but then he did know, you know, like there's all these different layers that go into us having completely unreliable narrative, narrators, other than Daniel, for the most part, who's here to get down to the bottom of the truth, except for the fact that we find out in this episode, now he has an added layer.

Starting point is 00:06:20 It's not just about getting to the truth, but it's about asking these several hundred questions that he needs to ask if he wants this book to actually come out, because otherwise it will be buried. So now we can't even fully trust Daniel with his questions that his questions aren't leading or X, Y, Z coming from somebody else. We've always kind of trusted Louis the most. And then in this episode, we find out Louis doesn't even seem to trust Louis the most at times. Did Louis really tell Armagh? Erase that memory. We didn't see it. We don't know. And even when we do see things, sometimes are not true. Does Louis really believe that Lestat's recollection on how Claudia was made is the factual accurate.

Starting point is 00:06:59 Or does he think it's somewhere in the middle when he's like, go with the stats? So now that we can't even trust Louis, it makes it very difficult to know what we're watching. So to put all of that on trial with such unreliable characters who we love and adore was really fascinating. And then the introduction of Madeline, obviously we've met her before, but I just mean her as a vampire was really interesting too. and then watching this audience continue to have this be a stoning.

Starting point is 00:07:27 I mean, it was just a lot. And then not to mention, we can't just not zero in on the stats performance vocally and visually was so incredible. And Louis' visual performance, he couldn't even use his words. Claudia, too. And Madd, I mean, they all...

Starting point is 00:07:41 And Santiago. And I guess Armand... Listen, the actor who plays Armand is amazing. His character just piss me off all the time, though. Because, like, you don't get credit for saving Louis' life here. Yeah, I don't really even know, like, I mean, the episode 8 has to really justify that, right?

Starting point is 00:07:57 How are you, how you would ever forgive that? Did you compel him? What's happening here that Louis forgave you? And I know at the end, I know it's supposed to emotionally crush us that we see Claudia disintegrate. But I won't even let myself go there because I don't even know if I can trust that or if it's real. I don't even know if the audience at home knows yet because we still have a third season we have to get to. So we're going to live that together. But I just, I feel like we're watching the stat, apologize and take accountability. And Louis, very on purpose, says, I don't know what happened up there.

Starting point is 00:08:26 I didn't see it. It makes me think that that's not what happened. Yeah. I mean, a lot of signs point to that being the case. And maybe the next episode answers that or maybe it doesn't. But that's part of the fun of what they've been doing because the perspectives are all thwarted. Like, the character detail is so specific. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:42 That the POVs that we keep watching are all emotionally based. And they know their characters so well. And that's why it's easy to sell the audience. on, oh, I see why they view this exact same scene, this same way. And it really drives home the fact of how we go into denial and stuff to protect and rewrite memories often to protect our own selves because some truths that we don't want it to contend with of how hard it was to do or say something or especially guilt. Like, I really identify with that.

Starting point is 00:09:16 Guilt is one of the hardest emotions for me to process. So are you talking Louis' guilt or Lestat's guilt? everyone's uh louis endless that like um louis definitely seems to rewrite history in his own head a lot of the time just because he he can't or had it rewritten for him yeah or some way because he can't contend with guilt well guilt is very hard and i especially for claudia's situation and i really i i understand that in uh in this i guess i can empathize with that from the i i being aware when i'm feeling guilty is one of the hardest things that I had to, I feel like only in the past year had I gotten good at recognizing like, oh, I'm feeling guilty, because normally I go to the default emotions first. You know,

Starting point is 00:09:58 I go to blame, I go to anger. I go do all the things when I realize, oh, I'm feeling guilty. It takes me, it used to take me like fucking forever to get to that point. Is guilt something you often feel? Yeah, very guilt prone. Not as much now because I've become to, I've been better at recognizing right away if it's guilt and not, and knowing how guilt can manipulate me into doing stuff of like, I'm doing it myself. It's like guilt as a separate entity, but I like, it's like I might become really apologetic or I might be in a rush to try to solve something out of guilt or in a way where I'm like, oh, I'm not doing this for the other person.

Starting point is 00:10:33 I'm doing this for me, you know? And so this stuff with like Louis, I can understand to certain extent here. And especially as time has gone on and you have to like live with yourself, it's hard to live with yourself when you have that much guilt because I'm doing with life or death circumstances here. So yeah, I agree with you about Louis's performance. just like the body language in his eyes, the way it all communicated. The makeup. The makeup was great.

Starting point is 00:10:55 Like when you're speaking at his eyes, the HMU team was unbelievable in this episode. Fucking Madel. It was tragic, too. So sad. Really connected with her character. That's interesting. Why? I felt she was kind of a breath of fresh air for this show.

Starting point is 00:11:10 Like she had that natural presence of herself that was very much a broken soul, but that also gained a natural sense of bluntness and courage from being so hurt that she had been so fed up with life that she, like, literally, there's something kind of like poetic about when she breaks the glass and it is a breaking point for her. And then it started, that is the day her life changes, you know, when she shatters that glass in her own home and that welcomes in. Oh, yeah, she lived there. Yeah, yeah, the shop. Yeah. And then it was a whole thing. And so, you know, when you see her, when they were turning her and you're seeing the whole transformation and her whole history, everything about her just making so much more sense.

Starting point is 00:11:51 And then if her life did end this way, it is just so unbelievably sad. And it's really hard to connect. For me, I usually take a while to, like, really connect with a reoccurring character to that extent. But I really felt, I really felt for her. Did you not? The whole Nazi lover thing is kind of a problem. Yeah, yeah. So it's not that I didn't.

Starting point is 00:12:10 I think she's complicated character. And if I have the story correct, it does sound like, Despite her neighbors and her upbringing, in order to have safety and care and make it through the war, she took a Nazi lover who she fell for. And so it is, that's a challenging ask for a viewer to then be like, but she did it and you should love her anyway. But I did like her character. I certainly think that it's making more of a commentary on her French neighbors who they did. regard her because of the choices she's made as they're ready to assault her. And what does that say about you? How are you any better than somebody who does something for survival because you're

Starting point is 00:12:56 willing to do something horrific? You know, like, so I think it does show that there are horrible people on all sides in war that typically is true. In life, that typically is true. Sometimes people feel like I need to justify my violence. I'm not fed to them saying that seems to be the case. Right. It's like, totally. Especially like the woman who's stood watch. It's like, what the hell is wrong with you? But I do think that Claudia has a lack of judgment of her for her, of Madeline, and it was nice to see that because Claudia has been so orificly judged. She doesn't want to put that on somebody else. So, yeah, I was, I definitely, I wouldn't ever call myself connected to her character. Sure. Just because there was this

Starting point is 00:13:35 threshold that is a big ass, but for the circumstances that they depicted. I think she's a very gray character, and I was really intrigued by her and her decisions to the point where I felt pretty positive that if survival was her motivation and when she was sitting with Armand and she's like, you know, maybe on the thing she needs, but she's also like, what era, there's been no era and she's done all of this, she's survived the war and she's done, and she wants to be a vampire and she wants to live forever, I felt like she was going to say, I'll be with the COVID, but she didn't. And that was impressive because that shows growth and change to me. So, yeah, I thought she was definitely an interesting character. And it's another reason why I feel like Claudia's not dead

Starting point is 00:14:12 because her grappling with the loss of that character would be fascinated to see. True. I really hope Claudia is not dead. Me too. Especially when she gives such a cool threat like that. But I do think Louis thinks that she is. Definitely. And I think there's that I feel like there's more evidence to support she's alive

Starting point is 00:14:30 because a lot of this cover up and emotional memory manipulation, a lot of it is directed towards covering up shit about Claudia. Like this whole past season and a half has been, A lot of that is cover up the Claudia stuff, cover up Claudia as much as possible. We'll remove pages, yada, yada, yada, yada. It would just stand a reason with a guy like Armand of everything we know about him and the amount of covering up that they would want to cover that up in some way.

Starting point is 00:14:59 Is it possible that while Ruby has been with Armand, Claudia has been with a stat? Maybe. I don't mean romantic, obviously. No, I mean, it's a possibility, especially because in San Francisco. Francisco, Armand reaches out to, remember when he's in the bathtub, and Armand reaches out to Lestat, but Lestat for some reason isn't like going to them, perhaps Lestat is staying away. But Lestat does say, tell him, I love him, I love him, and Yuzin. Well, it might be like the selfless act of protecting him or somewhere, some agreement, something

Starting point is 00:15:30 like that. There's more things we don't know, clearly. And I'm definitely interested in. And I also really like the addition of Santiago this season. Yeah. And I kind of get where he's been coming from. Well, he obeys the law and order. Because remember, his maker was put down for not doing that.

Starting point is 00:15:46 Yeah. And he's like, come on. People applying her personal pains onto everyone else. And I thought it was so great to see him and Lestat interact. That was like a cinematic universe crossover movies to me. I didn't think we'd see that. It was so awesome. Usually we know for fact, this theater burns down.

Starting point is 00:16:05 Yeah. And we didn't just see that. Well, I mean, I feel like Armand probably does. it to try to get Louis out of the coffin? Maybe. Maybe. If Louis forgives Armand, I don't. I don't know how you could forgive someone for that.

Starting point is 00:16:19 That seemed as... Especially if he thinks... In 2006, it was horrific. Especially because of Claudia's dead. If Claudia... Okay, regardless of that Louis, there's maybe a version, I could potentially see if Louis had been... It was the only one on trial, and then Armand managed to break him out and save him.

Starting point is 00:16:38 Right, but he did this to Claudia at him out. Exactly. So if Louie's also believing that because of this Claudia and Madeline, especially Claudia, are now dead and not just like killed, like they were publicly humiliated. And I kind of feel like there's a little bit of addition. I mean, I'm not the right guy to go for this kind of information, just something I'm picking up on. I felt there was a little bit of addition. I felt it right away with the soldier when he was like, when they cut to him, when they said something about lovers, like, I feel like he's got kind of a homophobia problem here. And considering everyone who on trial, there seem to be things about like homophobia and race and then something about this

Starting point is 00:17:14 public stoning that it was just kind of making me think of. I don't really know where I'm going with that. No, I hear you. It seemed like it was part of like the codiness of the moment without the only thing they directly called out was the queerness. But even they were, they had that one great scene on it, but it wasn't like the overall emphasis of it. Yeah, I think this is a good point. I will say that I think that we have identified Santiago as queer. It's queer. Yeah. And he's the one running it. But they don't talk about being. queer publicly. Also, I do think that it isn't Santiago who cast the verdict. It's the audience. Yeah. And, you know, he kind of uses that against Louis and the stat and Madeline and Claudia that they are.

Starting point is 00:17:55 Like, in the storytelling, I do think that the audience does turn on them more because of it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, Santiago is also a liar, though. Completely. It's a banishment, but they immediately, they're all liars. Banish them. But to death, He will die there. They're all a bunch of liars and manipulators. And for me, lastly, a fucking listat, man. The performance was Emmyworthy. I mean, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:18:19 It's crazy how, like, you could do so many great things in this show. It's just not the same when the stats, not. It's not the same with that. And he makes everyone around him better, too. Like, that's the thing. It's not just, oh, thank God, the stats here, because everyone sucks. Like, everyone's great. But everyone's greater when he's even around.

Starting point is 00:18:36 Just, like, who the actor is, what he provides, how he services the role. It ends up servicing the other performers. It's just so fucking... It's so good. It was brilliant. Like, so many different shades of a performance. You're all in one. Yeah, I do feel like this show has been completely snubbed by the Emmys,

Starting point is 00:18:51 especially in the performance category. Yeah, the next season, I think, is just called The Vampire List Out. That's what I've seen my YouTube. The Vampire, not interview with The Vampire. I'm pretty sure, like, when I, I mean, we don't have, we're not going to watch the trailers, but I'm pretty sure whenever I got notifications about it, I'm pretty sure it was always like the trailer was just called the vampire list out. So I think that's what the season's called. Yeah, so it premieres on June 7th, the vampire list at official trailer. Vampireless stat season one.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Oh, that's called until season one. Shit. Wait, what? Is that different than the interview with the vampire season three? I guess so. So there is going to be interview of the vampire season three and. Ooh, I don't know. I don't know if I want to look it up. Yeah, I know. I don't know how much want to look into this. No, let's stop there. But yeah, that was a, but, oh, man. I'm having a whole season.

Starting point is 00:19:41 It was that. I'll talk about a way to make up for not having that. He's just fucking, we're giving him the whole season now instead. And he's been sprinkled in, but this episode was really powerful with him. Do you think that the next episode will be the fire? Absolutely. It'd be odd if it isn't. Yeah, he's been sprinkled in, but it's one thing to like cut the flash on the way they did the flashbacks again.

Starting point is 00:20:02 And then even inserted new Claudia into that. I don't know. It took me a while to be like, oh, wait a minute. This is a completely different. See? This is not the same thing. I also like the visuals behind them on stage. Yeah, that's true. The animation. I like them. They're fucking with their heads, too.

Starting point is 00:20:19 Yeah, very cool. Amazing stuff. Amazing stuff all around. This was my favorite episode of the series. You all were right. Y'all were right. This show has a spider throats. That was great shit, man. Great shit. Do your thoughts down below.

Starting point is 00:20:31 Keep a look up when we cover the finale. And check back with us in June when we cover season one of the vampire list out. See you guys. Thank you.

The Reel Rejects - INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE 2x06 & 2x07 REACTION - THE BEST MOST HAUNTING EPISODE YET!

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