The Reel Rejects - INVINCIBLE 2x8 Finale Breakdown & Review

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Starting point is 00:01:13 Aaron, you ready to get this show on the road? I am so ready. Oh, my God. That's what I love to hear, brother. I get afraid to theorize too much because I know. a lot of people here who watch the show I've also read the comics and um we're intentionally not reading the comics nope because who wants to make the effort uh I know it makes it makes for more so sometimes it makes more enjoyable time when you have it's so unexpected just never

Starting point is 00:01:47 know what direction shit's going to go and I I can see the reflection sometimes in the comments with with certain top comments of like oh man if you think it's crazy now wait till you get to this part. I don't want to read anymore. I want to read anymore. Yeah, yeah. So I'll try to open up too many multiverse doors there to possible things that people talk about. I don't see what you did there. But I would like to, I really love this season a lot. I, I prefer this season over the first one. Really? I do. I do. I know Aaron's on a big kick right now with season one because he did a rewatch and he's all proud of himself. Season one is great. I know it is. I think, think this one definitely ends more where it doesn't feel completed. However, the, I mean, like, season one still ends in a way where obviously there's more story to tell and it's not complete. But this, how would I say? Like, season one feels like it's done, but you still need a sequel. This feels like it's part of a chapter. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I really like this chapter a lot. I just vibe with this one so much so.

Starting point is 00:02:57 everything that they had a consistent theme throughout of identity and existentialism that we keep bringing up and I think the way they did the narrative through line was very effective I would say like especially with the Armstrong character I was surprised by how Armstrong yeah gone Armstrong um angstrom yeah I'm sure I said it wrong many times um hey man I did all right I told the patrons my stomach's been like really hurting all day and I was like I'm not going to tell people on YouTube but I'm because if I didn't bring it to touch on YouTube during this then I didn't want people like misreading anything if I seemed off but anyway what was the saying Aaron now I'm losing my train of thought angstrom I had to really justify why I got his name wrong

Starting point is 00:03:42 and to really explain it and I don't want to look like a fool oh you're talking about how you like the themes of this oh yeah yeah um you know like and and and sometimes multiversal ideas that just presenting that often can often can uh open up the door for where's it going to go we're going to see like a bunch of different fun dimensions like what directions are really going to go down is sometimes it just feels like a hack job of hey look look the fun alternate version or does it actually do something to the character's identity does it actually factor in in some way and why we didn't do this whole thing of exploring like we didn't have episodes or significant runtime, I would say, dedicated to going through the multiverses,

Starting point is 00:04:28 maybe down the road we will. But this season, we didn't. I still loved how Engstrom's character served a bigger purpose for what it challenges for Mark to form his identity. You know, like his time here, his presence on the show, it's one of those characters where screen time might not be a lot but the impact of his character is going to be long lasting because of what it did to mark and especially at the challenge of in every universe essentially mark is a bad dude mark is omneman's son you know he he is truly like the evil Viltramite. And he's got this

Starting point is 00:05:21 standard to himself of not killing and it seems like in any context, even though he has killed before. I don't think so. No. Really? He's never, he's never killed?

Starting point is 00:05:32 So part of my brain was going, I thought he'd killed before. But I guess this was the first time I truly made a moment out of it. Yeah. I mean, he's definitely really, never killed anybody before? He's really injured people.

Starting point is 00:05:44 and maybe aliens maybe another human human that's what I was saying I don't think he's ever killed a human yeah because he's definitely injured people for sure like majorly like I think of like those aliens that age really quickly in the first season

Starting point is 00:05:58 yeah he's killed I believe nothing really comes to mind because it's never I don't recall any like significant but for a human being he's never killed and and it's really easy to be in the audience seat and go well dude

Starting point is 00:06:14 I mean, he had your family hostage. He broke your mom's wrists. Of course you're going to, he was pushing you. He wanted to bring the killer out of you. And in a lot of ways, that's his ultimate version of winning is bringing out the killing. It's almost akin to like, if Joker got Batman to kill him, Joker would have won. Yeah. You know, even though it's not as much of it of a maniacal glee that Engstrom is taken in that form, it's still kind of a big part of the purpose of the fight.

Starting point is 00:06:42 but when you're when you are in the driver's seat of doing the action at killing it it's a very big big difference especially when he had an opportunity to stop you know it's the it's the fact that he didn't stop and he and he decided to execute without thinking but he's like stranded forever and then lost through time and put into all kinds of battles he was being tortured for for something that wasn't his fault you know so i like to of course in an audience see i'm like oh dude come on it makes sense that you would do that there's like so many reasons why whereas what you know what uh freaking uh

Starting point is 00:07:18 what omniman did in season one was just in the name of conquest yeah very different thing the name of duty yeah so I know I just really love and I love how weird this got this season got so bizarre yeah in ways that I thought they never real like my one nip pick is maybe the the whole, the comedy beat of the mummy rising and being like, wait a minute, you're a female, like breaking character to sound modern and be like, wait a minute, you're female.

Starting point is 00:07:52 It's like, I thought the one part that maybe could have handled, been a little more witty in some way. But other than that, other than like that two seconds, I really, I really loved this season a lot. Could he's more on it. Man, would have helped boost the views. Omniam would have been great, yeah. I would say I really really enjoyed the season I think overall I still prefer season one main reason being that

Starting point is 00:08:16 I felt like there were so many things that they were setting up whether it be Martian Man or the protcessor to him What do you remember his name? The Shapeshifter I've been calling him Armstrong No I'm at the Shapeshifter like no my point is Why would I remember the Shapeshifter's name

Starting point is 00:08:32 I'd call him Armstrong I remember as Anisa And that's because She's the Hot Vils for man the hods fur i don't remember that name cheekbones though uh but yeah i think that you know it was between the stuff with the mortal between stuff with monster girl and uh and rudy

Starting point is 00:08:47 slash robot the omniuman stuff there was a lot more plot that was spread out so like mark is obviously the title character so there's this uh sense of priority over him of course but like there are some episodes where we don't get Adam eve and not to say that we need all these characters in every scenario i just i think the the show has done a great job of cultivating an interesting cast of characters to

Starting point is 00:09:11 like it's almost its detriment to the fact that we want to see more from them, but we don't get to in this period of time. And not to mention, um, because of production problems or whatever, they're spreading across this, uh, this show's release. You know, the first half released in November, the second half released in March. And I want to invest in these characters. I want to see them. But we're, I'm not getting as much of them as I would like to. But as for for the characters I am getting a lot of, I'm really enjoying those things. I'm really enjoying seeing Mark's journey and where he's been from the start of the season for the beginning of the first season through where he is now and how the arc that he goes through in this season

Starting point is 00:09:52 is almost like the inverse of what he went through in the first season world. His entire driving force in the first season was the fact that he wanted to be like his dad. He wanted to be this great hero that can save everybody that that can fight. all the biggest baddest villains out there because he cares about the little guy and his dad views them as lesser at least at the time and now since the finale his entire arc is i don't want to beat my dad and even though we did we did it angstrom levy from the beginning point i really enjoyed the subversion of what that character was even though he wasn't too prevalent in the series and he was like the I guess the big bad of the season but I don't even know if I

Starting point is 00:10:37 quantify him as that because he doesn't have an effect on anything else in the season outside of what it does for Mark's arc and like we see him go to other worlds and like see other marks and like see the alternate version of Cecil and Donald which we don't really get much of in this finale and I think they they touched them a little bit like throughout the show but anyway they think the seeing what he does and the finale really is less about how he affects the universe at large, but more so how Mark's Achilles' heel is triggered. Like something really prominent in season one

Starting point is 00:11:15 and is the fact that Mark has this major anger underlying when he's in points of stress or great tension. And like it makes me think of the episode with type, or the episode with the aliens that age really slowly. Like when he is activated, he kind of loses a little bit. And that form of uncontrollable rage is the part of himself that he fears the most. And that is confirmed when he is pushed to the point of killing Engstrom Levy, which I like that point.

Starting point is 00:11:58 I like one, I like where the last episode ended into this. episode because it feels like a comic book cliffhanger like for a like a flip-through issue but seeing that this whole first half of the episode is just that entire interaction and like the the frustrating process he has to go through in order to try to save his family until he ultimately kills the villain only adds to that choice or that that reaction that it has in that moment and like that the rest of that episode is just him by himself trying to process what he did i could easily see how this plays out in panels like the dialogue bubbles of him trying to like rectify or rationalize why he did what he did and i like that we don't see in a lot of other comic book media

Starting point is 00:12:50 characters getting to process their emotions and feelings like that because i think that's the stuff that really endears us to characters is those moments of for is the guilt is all the motions that come in between those feelings from the highest to the lows and watching that all just made me really appreciate the show a lot and I think I've stayed with that appreciation for the entire time if we've been watching the show but something that I did like towards the end of that that whole period is when the guardians from the future come and see Mark and then she Adam Eve tells her tells Mark that he has she has feelings for him and I'd love that moment because it's been 20 years for her and it's like the regret of the

Starting point is 00:13:37 thing she didn't say that's something she's been ruminating on for years and years just to get to this moment for Mark but in Mark's perspective he just broke up with Amber that day and he probably has inklings of feelings for Adam Eve that he had before he was with Amber but obviously since he got into relationship with him that was the primary focus but now that's a seed that's planted deeper in his brain because she had to get her personal uh pinnings and thoughts out to to get that chance of redemption for herself to tell marks that moment was more about her and her relationship with her regrets than it was about mark but that's going to play a big part in where mark goes in the future with his relationship with the present day adam eve so i think that was

Starting point is 00:14:23 That was a very cool kind of way that they did that because who knows how long it would have taken had she not intervened in that moment to tell Mark how she felt. Yeah, this episode had a lot of really good stuff and I like seeing Omni Man kind of finally verbalize how the actions at the end of season one made him feel and his guilt about that. I like seeing the moment between robot and monster girl. I also like seeing, just going back to them saving Mark in the desert, Monster Girl was in her monster form. She was not the little girl. And I want to say, I have a theory that's because Robot couldn't stop it, really couldn't stop it.

Starting point is 00:15:09 So she's cursed to stay in that form because if she doesn't stay in that form, she's going to be a baby, which I think would be like a really cool. tragic kind of fate for that character. But I definitely enjoyed it overall. Like I kind of agree with Greg's fact that the first season felt like this

Starting point is 00:15:28 contained the story that was open to larger things happening like teasing for the future, but this definitely feels like a chapter into something larger to come. Even though the Anxstrom-Levy stuff didn't feel that felt contained within the season

Starting point is 00:15:45 or the arc within this season of him trying to not feel like his dad to kind of confirming that with his actions that he does have similarities to his father and I look forward to see now that he has gone to that point where his character goes from from this point on. I like seeing that there is this

Starting point is 00:16:10 reflect this thing where we see what justice means to different characters you know what justice means to Cecil what justice means to Mark what Omni Man feels is justice he feels death of for the things that he's caused is justice for him

Starting point is 00:16:30 Cecil feels like killing the bad guys is justice for the world and just where everything comes up what is what is justice to mark now that he's crossed that line And I'm very curious to see what that comes of in the future. I think I got most of them for now. My thoughts. I said a lot of things.

Starting point is 00:16:51 I was 11 minutes. Of me just talking? Yeah. Damn, son. Let's go. Let's go monologues. Let's go. Let's go thoughts.

Starting point is 00:17:00 Videos, baby. It's a conversation error. It's a conversation. The only thing to add to what I said. I believe this happened last. episode. This did. Yeah, like you said your thing.

Starting point is 00:17:17 I said my thing. But yeah, do you think that? Next time I'll say everything. Okay. And I'll give you, I'll just talk for 12 minutes. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:17:29 Just to top you. And I'll be like, here you go, Aaron. Add on. Do you agree or disagree with anything that i said i don't know it's i zoned out after a while who can listen to someone talk straight for 11 11 straight minutes that's what youtube videos are i know there's like two people on camera it's i feel like you got to have like a little bit more of a back and forth you know

Starting point is 00:17:54 so sometimes i was like talking to you a little bit when i was doing my thing you know like turn my attention to you don't include you in the conversation but you know not everyone's a professional like me i looked at you i was like hey gregg what's up did you did you did you're looking at me you didn't see me you're looking at the ground so you didn't see me listen I was trying to fall asleep. You know what I say? It's 11 minutes. 11 minutes of something.

Starting point is 00:18:19 Points. Something about season one. I did talk about season one. Being good. Yes. But, okay. So, something I do want to address because I didn't say fully.

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Starting point is 00:20:39 I did. Them going to the two. tomb. And what I was referencing is that when Omneman was training Mark in season one, the cold opening is this guy going into this tomb opening it. And that, that mummy comes out. And right as the mummy is about to leave the door, them flying over the desert closed the door shut. And we never go back to it again. Yeah. So it was just a reprisal of that, that joke. Yeah, I think they reward their audience with paying attention to stuff. Yeah, it was nice. It's fine. It's fun. It was fun. it was fun it was fun i like the old cold open of this a lot um i think that the the reason some of the

Starting point is 00:21:18 reasons why you might prefer season one over season two or are the exact reasons why i kind of prefer season two uh is maybe it's sure that i think i can totally see how one can find this one to not be as cohesive or focused i think what this season did for me i remember season one was kind of coming off in the zeitgeist of when like like the boys was also coming out and two of those shows at the this show season one of Invincible and and early I don't know if it was season one or two but early era of boys were both seen as like oh these adult comic book shows that have a similar thing of where you introduce a la justice league and then you pull the back the curtain and go leader of justice league bad

Starting point is 00:22:10 And this is violent and now we're going to deconstruct what this is. And I think especially Invincible did that in season one, you know, its first episode just kind of feels like a DC animated movie. Yeah. And then suddenly it's this ultra violent hard R at the very end. And that's kind of the point of it is you would introduce in this world. And I only really cared vehemently about like two people in season one. like on us it was like obviously mark and omneman and then sort of the other people i liked everyone this season got me super invested in a plethora of our characters who have come back i thought

Starting point is 00:22:55 they drastically even though rex wasn't in this episode rex got me so hooked into him and i love the evolution there i love how everyone was dealing with consequences here of their evolutions consequences of the choices, showing that post-growth that there will be true growing pains. Like, Rex, as much as he, not Rex, Robo. Rudy? Yeah, Rudy. As much as Rudy evolved from season one, he's so learning to be human. He's seen the consequences of that of just learning how to be a basic human, you know,

Starting point is 00:23:29 you know, how to be a basic bitch, learning how to be a basic human of just communication, you know, and immortal confronting mortality via this. Again, in tune with identity. Adam Eve with this limitless skills of power. Right now, I think with season one, they had to just sell the audience so much on what that show this world is. And now they're building up for something much bigger

Starting point is 00:23:59 because before season two came out, they did Adam Eve, which was an entire special, just dedicated to her to show she's like so crazy powerful and she doesn't even know it like she is so insanely powerful and as they're traveling the multiverse and stuff i i think that what they want to do right now is they know they have they have a long period of time where they can kick it they know that they can take these long breaks between the half of the season and people will still come in if you will still tune in because that fan base is there waiting for it. And I think they've taken that to their advantage. Like what they've done with Debbie

Starting point is 00:24:39 in this season, I was so worried they were going to kill her off. Like when they got to this episode, when her life is in danger, I started just plain the rest of the season back in my head of the Grisha who was going through and going, oh, wait, were they given it so much Debbie focus? Because they were going to kill her off? No. My mind started churning because of that. There was so many surprises. Maybe not for comic readers, but for like Omneman showing up and like, holy shit, he's had a change of heart. Like, what is going on here? You know, I thought this season was, while they, they left a lot that was, and I expected, like, before we started filming the reaction, I think I said something in the intro, like, looking forward to seeing all the

Starting point is 00:25:28 things that are just going to be not resolved until the next season, because you kind of just feel that. But I, and I, and I, I'd rather have that than a show that feels this need to wrap everything up by the end of season two or put it like a nice bow tie on it because I think that would the exploration, that's what I mean. I think it's the exploration that I've so been into. And just like the, I think the show is more mature than last season. So while there's not the wow surprise fresh factor of season one, this season has been. Donald Who gave you a shit about Donald In person You know what I mean You just

Starting point is 00:26:11 It's just like Cecil's number two It's some random guy Sure Somebody died But then you're like Whoa This is a whole

Starting point is 00:26:18 Story about existentialism With With artificial It's like What is life When you are this You know I was

Starting point is 00:26:28 I was so surprised by it I dug this a lot and it feels very malevolent and somber and it knows I think it knows how to toy with like the last season I think ended in a very simple way of all right omneman left allan it's kind of cool how this both seasons end with alan and and uh like Alan and mark now Alan and Omneman and um it's like Alan's always the hope Alan's the hope maybe he's a secret hero. I don't know. But what I really love is

Starting point is 00:27:07 I lost my train of honor. I lost my juice. Got it. Got the juice. The Allen and Omni Man are kind of like a reversal of the last season. It's like Omneman and Allen versus Mark and Allen in the last one. That's what you were saying. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:25 Okay. The way how the season one ended was all right. Mark, they got to prepare for Voltramite War. Cool. let's go humans what are you going to do to prepare there's other people in the galaxy it just seemed like it might just be some big recruiting session and this didn't go all the direction of how most comp of properties would go and this season because of the amount they set up with uh we just keep calling them optimist prime uh tatyus with tatyus being a viltramite uh with

Starting point is 00:27:55 alan and omni man here and and the amount of other things they set up but didn't really resolve you're like i have no idea what's where it's going to go i love that i love being in like just great unknown terrain while knowing that this show is going to still breathe and take its time to keep it grounded in its characters emotions throughout this is my favorite this has to be my favorite comic book show right now airing currently maybe i don't know sometimes i watch like I'm one of the other ones. I'm like, no, it's this one. This might be my favorite one. I think

Starting point is 00:28:37 I think it is. I think it's my favorite superhero show for sure. I think it captures that very well what it means to be a hero, what it means to have justice, what it means to do right by the people in your life and by the world.

Starting point is 00:28:53 I really like She-Hulk attorney at law. The best one, clearly, everybody's favorite. Yeah. Yep. Every single episode, even the wedding one. Everybody loves it. The wedding one. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:04 Also, we didn't talk about Spider-Man, dude. That was dope. It was so cool. What the fuck? Josh Keaton came back? My mom was like, they can't be Spider-Man. I just didn't believe you that

Starting point is 00:29:14 thwipping was after the like, no way they would do that. They didn't name him. But it's very obvious that the idea was to do that. But there must be some right. That's an Amazon, aren't they producing like some Spider-Man show? Yeah, they're doing silk and they're doing the Spider-Man noir.

Starting point is 00:29:31 was it spider man i there was josh keaton voicing him i know that voice anywhere i've seen spectacular spider man so many times my favorite spider man show i'm like i know that voice i think i did hear that he was voicing a some character in the show and as soon as he started talking like yep that's keaton let's look up what uh he looked like in invincible comic also a little fun fact he also voiced uh spider man like character in young justice oh really yeah i think he was a villain though it's like black spider or something like that he has a correct me

Starting point is 00:30:04 okay so he definitely just looked like regular spider man in the comics yeah okay what was that what was the suit spider man it was like an a symbol right yeah

Starting point is 00:30:16 like arachnid kid or something like that I feel like this something they just made up for the show yeah it must be something they made up for the show I'm trying to think if they like pulled an actual spider man into here because they they do that I mean they straight up had

Starting point is 00:30:28 I guess they they they they they must have like a legal copyright team that looks in and goes what can we say like with the batman joke to go your man just like a bat and you call yourself that kind of lazy but we just can't show him and we can't call him Batman right they just showed the rippled cape in the corner of him being in a dark setting yeah yeah yeah I don't know it's I like that the that they did that that was very cool that we got to see a little glimpse of that I would like to see that character to come back more But he was straight up just Spider-Man. He was a holy Spider-Man. He had the webs on him and the goggles. He was straight-up to the Spider-Man. And Robert Kirkman recently was saying, like, don't expect the Spider-Rank cameo.

Starting point is 00:31:13 That's not me teasing something. Like, don't expect it. And maybe I fell for that. But, no, I was like, that technically wasn't Spider-Man? But it's so, it's like, it's very much Spider-Man would be suing me for feet. doing everything

Starting point is 00:31:31 for changing the letter getting Josh Keaton changed the letter that he has goggles he has like some webbings I liked his suit I thought the suit

Starting point is 00:31:39 was really cool they didn't name him can imagine they get that actual get actual Spider-Man there oh that would be so cool I would have lost my shit

Starting point is 00:31:46 if it was actually Spider-Man oh yeah man I give this 10 out of 10 just because of Anisa that's great she wasn't even in this one oh well

Starting point is 00:31:55 the season as a whole I mean it's the best season whatever if I give hot hot not very hot if i give season one 10 out of 10 i'll say this was a 9 out of 10 let's take a bite out of that viltramite you know what i'm saying

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Starting point is 00:32:31 she looks exactly like her Wilcher Mike got animated and all she lives in my dreams she's my muscle mommy I join the vulture vampire

Starting point is 00:32:47 for her plain and simple yeah you want her to squash in your head like she did work at the end huh yeah you like squish me well she wouldn't do that because I'd be listening

Starting point is 00:32:58 in her orders right Be her little pet. Happy wife, happy life. That's what I say. Her little human pet boy. I could be with her. You need to be with her.

Starting point is 00:33:12 That's right. I'm happy for you guys. Someone's talking in the theater. Let's go kill that person. I'm going to shut up. Finally watch Oppenheimer in peace. You know what I mean? That's my dream.

Starting point is 00:33:27 I think we're done. I think we did it. Counted as 90 minutes today, Aaron. See you guys. Thank you for being here.

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The Reel Rejects - INVINCIBLE 2x8 Finale Breakdown & Review

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