The Reel Rejects - IRONHEART Episode 1, 2, & 3 REACTION!! Marvel Breakdown & Review | Black Panther | Ironman

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Starting point is 00:01:27 For listening on Apple or Spotify, make sure to give us five stars. Also, thank you so much to the people at Prepper for cutting down these highlights for the YouTubes. Ooh, all right. Greg. Okay. How are you feeling, man? I feel fine.

Starting point is 00:01:48 I feel like it's fine. I don't feel, I agree that every episode gets better. I agree. I mean, there's a lot of things to appreciate. I think Dominic Thorne is showing a lot of a range comparatively to the limited time she had in Wakana Forever. And the family dynamics, I'm enjoying a lot. I think this show is littered with a lot of intent

Starting point is 00:02:14 versus some conflict on execution. But sometimes the intention also is working with the action they're providing. like the relationship with all the naram rike um ezekiel is easily my favorite part of the show like their their relationship their back and forth as acting and writing it is the part that feels the most natural it is the one of the rare parts where i feel like the show actually sings and i think sort of if i'm looking at kind of like a graph on a lifeline chart i kind of feel like it started this one line for a lot of the experience and but sometimes the line goes up

Starting point is 00:02:57 whenever we're with um specifically them and uh the relationship i like to with uh natalie that that's been uh growing on me and and i think when they explore the ethical discussions of what they're creating and then even with these i think the last 10 minutes of this particular episode three were uh some of the strongest of the three episodes that we watched like i actually felt some shit in the moment and i was saying during it how sometimes i think they're they're movies a lot of movies have been guilty of this where they throw in like a lot of soundtracks to provide personality and vibe and aura but that it kind of seems like they're using that to mask some uh shortcomings and the actual filmmaking that they did and i don't feel like

Starting point is 00:03:43 it's exactly that i just don't feel like it's super strong with a lot of the filmmaking but then this was the third episode was the one that actually had like a good amount of scenes where uh there was a good synergy and harmony from soundtrack to actual visual um but my overall feelings a you know well i'm sure we can uh we're gonna go around the the the round table here a little bit more i i'm i'm like it's it's literally like it's fine like that's how most of this has felt to me is like it's fine with almost a lot of like, if I isolate this moment, I really like this moment. If I isolate this dynamic, I really like this.

Starting point is 00:04:26 But if you're looking at like a complete picture, most of the time it's feeling like fine to me and not. Like you guys seem to really, one of you said it was like the third episode was great. And I'm like, I think it was good. I didn't find any of these episodes particularly great. But sometimes there are great moments to me. and then other times it's just kind of it took a while to pick up it took a while for me and it was it felt a little bit flatlining but yeah you know whatever out of I'm here yeah all right coy how you doing I can't tell and I've been trying to actually separate to be

Starting point is 00:05:09 more fair to it I can't tell how much of it is my enjoyment of being in anticipation of it and my love of the comic because I did think the third episode was great, but it felt like it was great because of the payoff of everything that built to it. And I definitely struggled in the first two. I'm enjoying the things I knew I would, which is why I keep asking, is this me enjoying it or me thinking ahead three years? Like, I knew I'd like Dominic Thorne as Riri because I think she is the character and it's a character I like. I knew I'd like Alden because I think Alden is one of the most slept on actors working. I knew those elements, but I definitely find when it's on the other team, like, if it's not

Starting point is 00:05:51 family or Alden or Xavier, I drift, and that's not good because it's largely about her newfound family, and I'm really not connecting. Like, if you asked me a single attribute about Slug or the Twins or anything, I'd be like, and it is a struggle when they have so much screen time, and I get the, you know, that you can only do so much with how much time, but they have a lot of time. And I have things I like about the mom, and she has the least screen time,

Starting point is 00:06:18 maybe next to Xavier. So it's just like the elements that aren't working are strong, but the things that are working are really high. So like I'm really liking all of the, what you have to do to get ahead in the world, and does that make you a criminal concept? I really like the ethical questions of technology. I really like the idea of Obadiah,

Starting point is 00:06:41 Obadiah Stain's son wanting to be so unlike his dad that he becomes a pushover but still as a proclivity for technology. I love the idea of Tony Stark's two surrogate heirs being Obadiah Stain's kid who's going bio and Riri who's making tech because of her dad and that father figure being so important to her. I love the idea of adopted family being something that fuels you to want to grow and think. So all of the things I like, I really like, but there's there's like stop gaps and so uh i think the moments where i'm watching the show just be the things that aren't really serving me i'm thinking would i be invested in this if it wasn't a marvel comic like would this be a show so it's really hard because i'm trying to judge it

Starting point is 00:07:27 as a tv show and also i'm a big iron heart fan and a dominique thorne fan because of my anticipation for it so those things are kind of at odds of each other okay okay i think i i don't know I think I'm somewhere, not in the middle of YouTube, but I am enjoying it for what it was. I'm not like over the moon excited. I got to tell everybody about this, but I think I can appreciate the elements of this show within the MCU that we don't typically get outside of shows like this. You know, being about this black girl from a lower class group or lower class part of Chicago. And, you know, she has elements of her within her community. and she lost somebody in a type of way that is more that is very common in, you know, in inner

Starting point is 00:08:19 city and in Chicago, you know, there is a real gang violence problem out there. And the fact that she is somebody who uses her tech and her ability to, with the guise of trying to help her community, at least that's her desire, her going about it in a way that is maybe more unsavory while also having that desire but also kind of distancing herself from that community at least at first because she wants to kind of guard her heart from you know the pain she went through i thought i found interesting i like that we have this hero that she's not even a hero yet but this character that has utilized AI to in a way bring her friend back and now the two of them together there are these two black girl best friends as this Iron Man Air.

Starting point is 00:09:11 I think that's a super unique way and a super unique thing to be a part of the MCU and especially when they become, you know, more integrated if they decide to do that. I don't think she's going to be in, in Doomsday, at least not from the announcements of the chairs. But that stuff. I'm sure she'll be a young Avenger. Probably. I mean, yeah, she's like, like 19, 20, somewhere on there. They're all pretty grown.

Starting point is 00:09:35 They're like the stranger things, kids. Yeah, they're all adult at this point. for Ms. Marvel. But yeah, I think that stuff, all the stuff with, that involves, you know, her relationship to her world now coming from the experience off of Wakanda Forever, I think is interesting. Even though we haven't really addressed much of that, like we had like a little bit in the beginning where we talked about it, but it seems like a lot of this stuff is finding a way to have her have her own problems without addressing the fact that she had this whole experience

Starting point is 00:10:04 going to like black royalty, which I find a little interesting. interesting. I wish she would have at least had a line sort of addressing why she can't call him the Wakandans. Well, at the end of Wakanda forever, they talk about her not getting to keep the suit. And it felt fairly buttoned up for that. But I don't feel like they've addressed the fact that if she needs money and access and resource. Like, I feel like they have addressed it in Wakanda, but not in the show at all. Yeah, because she was there to help them in the wake of them losing their queen, you know. So I feel like they should, you know, be able to help her in some capacity her and her and shiri have a relationship and you know if sam and bucky can call on wakonda

Starting point is 00:10:42 and ask them for help because it's literally made a vibranium i don't see why she shouldn't be able to do the same but that's neither here nor there um i think the stuff with obadiah stane's son is really fun and i think they are priming him to be either a a villain down the road or maybe some sort of contemporary. I feel like it could go down the villain route, but them starting his friends and then that kind of creates this next level or this legacy thing of, oh, Ironmonger Sun versus the legacy of Iron Man. And I think that could be a fun thing because I really like his performance thus far. But yeah, I wish his show had, it's doing stuff to, to feel like a show based in Chicago and it does have this element that there is a,

Starting point is 00:11:34 authentic black voice to the show, I wish it would lean more into her relationship with her community and more her relationship with, you know, the crime within the city. But, you know, they're doing this stuff with the heist. And I think the guys of them,

Starting point is 00:11:51 you know, doing things that they don't want to for the betterment of people was obviously her way in. But I'm not super endeared to the team at all. And it's weird because we've done this highest thing in the MCN. see you before with, you know, Amman's team, but they were,

Starting point is 00:12:08 we were super endeared to them, like Luis and T.I and then David Desmalshian's character. They were all super fun. But yeah, I don't feel that same level of attachment, or I'm not rooting for this team to see them all kind of interact

Starting point is 00:12:24 or achieve their goals or whatnot. I think that's why I was so easy to be like, oh, bad guys. Like when Greg was like, oh, they're going to be bad guys. And I think if they had been more um magnanimous or charismatic towards even re-re i would have felt like oh i wonder if they'll like kind of subvert expectations for a little bit until the hood turns like i the changes i would make are the hood being corrupted over time and having it be you be curious if that corruption is making

Starting point is 00:12:50 them make bigger and bigger risks instead of just and i and i would have a little bit more of the robin hood element of like them being good guys on the surface and maybe they're all like you know some level of genius and some level of intelligence that felt wronged by the system because it is a show about like you know the way the system doesn't serve people unless they're in it and I don't feel like it's saying any of that like I feel like it's all it's there like how the system didn't serve any of them but yeah only with re-read do I feel like how did these people get screwed over and I would love to show where it's like on one side she has her family and she has Xavier and she has Alden and that whole world being like above board and then below board she has her second family who all got screwed by the system so she feels more torn about doing bad things for the right reasons. Instead, I'm like, she's just doing some villainy. And like, I like the idea as someone who didn't grow up with, you know, lots of money wondering what my line is. And, and they've kind of dabbled with, I'm doing bad things. And Greg at one point said, like, Natalie's the hero of the show. And she's doing the heroic

Starting point is 00:13:54 things. I want that element of Iron Heart. She's actually an anti-hero. She's doing not heroic stuff. and like she's not killing anyone, but there's so much more that I think I keep writing my own story. Yeah. And I think what you guys are highlighting is exactly what I meant by. There's a lot of great intention,

Starting point is 00:14:14 but the execution is not really... I was thinking kind of what you were talking about too. A, what you said about the... this Robin Hood group of people. I was like, yeah, that would have made it much more effective if they seemed like they were doing this for a good cause and they pulled back, whether it be an obvious reveal or not obvious.

Starting point is 00:14:32 obvious reveal it would still have some impact if if it did seem like no they're actually they are doing something kind of good I mean take like this might not be the strongest example but like falcon and winter soldier had the idea of the flag smashers where and I felt like the flag smashers even though that wasn't like the most well received part of falcon and winter soldier I think that that was working better by that point in by episode three in this show than here like the time you get to when you're thinking about the how the concept of how um especially in America and lower income areas and a lot of black communities,

Starting point is 00:15:05 the system often makes those communities feel like they have to be in a part of a life of crime in order to like get money. And you see that they're kind of illustrating that with Riri, right? Like she's constantly being pushed into physicians and being blackmailed into positions in order to try to like, no, I want to get out of this life. I want to do some good.

Starting point is 00:15:25 So I can see some of that commentary, but it kind of feels like it's not, it's just everything so much of this feels like it's 70% there for 60 to 70% but nothing is really like pedal to the metal but really putting their foot on the gas like I feel like by the time it ended we should be it should feel like some level of suspense or like oh damn I can't wait to see what's going to happen next and I'm more like yeah I'll stick around I'm sure that feeling isn't good like I I remember what Marvel shows used to feel like, oh, like Wanda, like the best of them. And I don't think this is amongst the worst

Starting point is 00:16:05 of them, but I feel like it is very in the middle of them. And that feels weird because it's hard to even comment on beyond like what we're saying is as changes in things. And it's also a show like to add to everything. You just said, we live in a world of real billionaires causing horrible things. And so I loved in what I thought was going to happen was once we met the criminals stealing from the billionaires. I'm like, in a show about the legacy of Ironman going at billionaires is a fascinating thing. Yeah. And they haven't really, like, touched on, you know, the harm of billionaires.

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Starting point is 00:18:09 and for up in the bank account look a little bit better. I guess we're just throwing in things that we're like, what would have made this more intellectually engaging? Because, yeah, it's like the stimuli. I don't really feel like a stimuli from the show. I bet I love a lot of the pieces. Like, I really like the actors. Like I think the girl that,

Starting point is 00:18:29 I keep calling her Deja because that's her name on this is us. I think Deja and Dominique are killing it. I just wish they had more to do with subtext. I like the mom and the boy whoever the Xavier the potential love interest I think is good Anthony Ramos is what is a character that has been

Starting point is 00:18:46 I like Anthony Ramos in general as an actor and his he's been growing on me as the story has been progressing and I feel like we're about to ramp up into something hopefully a lot more interesting like when they're going down on the supernatural shit I'm like, stay here. Yeah, this is really interesting.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Even though I like the tech shit and the conversations around it, when they're doing supernatural, it's the time where it feels like there's some style. And right now, I think part of the flatness that I'm feeling is the pacing of the editing. And then the fact that there is no real sense of, I don't really feel like someone, it just kind of feels like point and shoot, you know, doesn't really, with like a cool film grain look to it. But it doesn't really feel like someone. directed this thing it feels like a point and shoot thing to me

Starting point is 00:19:33 but sometimes it does rarely does it feel flashbacks have some flavor some of the iron heart physical action has some flavor the suits look good the suit looks great but overall I think 80% of the time I think you're right but the 20% of the time when it's like oh you notice and that's not good either when you're like suddenly a style yeah I will say for the show not being

Starting point is 00:19:53 the most engaging or you know like making me lose my mind about it I really like Dominic Thorne as Ruby Williams. I think she's doing a great job. You know, the stuff with the panic attacks, that's super real. And, you know, it's a environment, it's her response to her trauma and her environment and the fact that

Starting point is 00:20:12 we are getting this new form of a relationship between her and her best friend that she lost. And I like that the two of them together can find this way to function. I don't know. It's weird because the show itself is a whole is not as strong as the lead but and I wish that we had a stronger story overall to you know service her because I can easily see her being a part of you know this this larger universe

Starting point is 00:20:41 and I think the the scenes we do get that are more planted and direct to iron man and his legacy I think all that stuff is really good you know like you said they had really good chemistry you know Ezekiel and every re and I'm curious to see where that stuff goes and also the supernatural stuff and it seems like we're about to enter a point of conflict with you know him seeing the shadow of of iron heart um in his his vision about his cousin so i think the things are about to ramp up and take a turn into the supernatural and weird which you know finally we got like a a strong hook for this or at least a stronger hook in the face of you know her experiencing a panic attack and then him experiencing you know rage and and loss i think they're kind of

Starting point is 00:21:27 a potential for something interesting to come on the other side of these three. Yeah. And the friendship is the friendship I like a lot of the confusing side of what an AI can be like because this this idea of Natalie is formed from her own memory of Natalie. And then even though when she's doing some of the sort of sneaking around stuff and I made the comment of like Natalie is the real hero, but at the end of day, rereaddesigned Natalie. Yeah. It's her brainwaves. Yeah. And then like the conflicting parts of like when they're hanging out at the park and going through memories and she's putting her guard down.

Starting point is 00:22:02 But then the garb will come back up when you come to the awareness of like, well, you're not the real her. It's her conscience, but it's externalized in an interesting way. Yeah, yeah. And so the very idea that she is creating all this like armor and stuff while having like a real wall up around her own heart is makes sense for someone who's especially having panic attacks because when you're having these level of panic attacks from trauma triggers, it's going to. That means there's so much unresolved shit. And I love the idea of how she has to deal with the guilt of the Joe, the John guy dying. I love that idea. I just kind of wish the show made me feel a little more, like whether it be exciting, excitement, or intensity or tension, you know, or comedy.

Starting point is 00:22:47 Either one. Just something like, and I kind of would feel the excitement and comedy when it comes to the dynamic with her and his energy. specifically that that's when I would really feel the something that felt a little bit propulsive there and yeah during the Joe to John fight scene and then Natalie's showing out the whole last few minutes I thought was was it the first time like well I'm actually really feeling some shit this is took took like three episodes in the last 10 minutes of the three episodes and I'm really like enveloped now in this moment but is it was it enough goodwill to wash away a lot of the other part of the experience that felt like I'm

Starting point is 00:23:24 just doing like television homework right now you know each episode getting better gives me hope like episode episode two i thought was a good letter up of i mean i i had a rough time with one uh i like enjoyed moments and i externalized those moments but i was definitely like oh no uh two i was like all right i would keep watching this i think but i think three is going to be make or break and then three is i think the best of them if that's your trajectory this could very much end like yeah i'm so glad we have iron heart like if it keeps getting as better as it has i will be stoked when this ends right now I'm very like I really hope yeah and yeah to Aaron's point too especially with Dominique Thorne and how much you've been raving about her like she is incredible and I would

Starting point is 00:24:03 love to see her more here and yeah it is that feeling of I kind of wish a better project surrounded but for the amount of delays this had I'm like this ain't the freaking like say the dumps are fired no yeah it was like it's just a mediocre time yeah you know I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people who love it and great great I hope you enjoy it. I hope Dominic gets locked into Young Avengers and Secret Wars and stuff because she is strong enough. Yeah, definitely. I think it has

Starting point is 00:24:31 more personality than Captain America 4, which is, you know, it has more. It does have more to say. It does have more to say. And I think America 4 really is like one of the lowest part. But as soon as you said, I was like, no wrong. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:46 This will not be the lowest rated Marvel Cinematic Universe thing this year because they're probably going to be Cap 4. It will definitely be cat four But yeah Do you guys have any final thoughts? I'm excited for next week Because I do have hope now

Starting point is 00:24:59 Yeah man I mean I think the cast on the The thieves are fine Yeah That's fine All right They're good

Starting point is 00:25:12 Everyone's good The mom's good too I like the mom The mom's great I'm enjoying it More and more per episode And I'm excited to see how it wraps up Will we get Mepisto?

Starting point is 00:25:21 Who knows? I guess we'll find out in the coming weeks. Every shadow, I think. My feeling is they had Mephisto and they removed. I feel like they probably had Mephisto and then they removed him. I highly doubt that they're going to, I mean, if they could keep Mifistro was in here, they keep him, I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Starting point is 00:25:40 I'd be like, A, okay with that. Very surprised that they would keep it. But something tells me they probably shot it and then they decided to remove it because of, you know, I think they don't want this show to really have sometimes. of effect on the Marvel cinematic unit. Like, you've brought up, you've brought up MCU more than I have thought of. I haven't really given this show merit into they're going to factor much of this into the MCU other than they might keep Dominique Thor around.

Starting point is 00:26:08 Outside of that, I don't really view this as like the MCU. Oh, so it's propelling like the narrative forward of the universe. Yeah, I feel like if you bring Mephisto in, that's a part of it. And then, but then you also have like death, uh, and in the, form of Aubrey Plaza. Then you have Mephisto here. So they are been doing some of the supernatural stuff.

Starting point is 00:26:27 There's a lot of rumors going around out about again. And it seems more likely about Midnight Suns actually being in development. So which would be could use the supernatural like that. I think dark supernatural for the television, Werewolf by Night, the Moon Night.

Starting point is 00:26:41 Yeah. And then maybe grounded with some putting some daredevil in there or some shit. I don't know. Either way. But yeah, that's mine. I was hopeful. I was optimistic. mystic. I was like, I wasn't going into this expecting a bad thing. And, um, yeah, I'm just, I guess the

Starting point is 00:26:59 part of where I'm disappointed is I felt like I would be a few notches up more positive about my experience with it. Um, but I'm not exactly like, you know, you just whelmed. Not over, not under. Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I'm here. I watched it. Yeah. I'm glad to have seen it, but I, I hope for better as we go. Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm enjoying it. And I'm also, hoping for better. What do you guys think? Are you enjoying it? Are you overwhelmed? Are you overwhelmed? Let us know down in the comments below and we will see you guys in the next one. Duceus.

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