The Reel Rejects - IT CHAPTER 2 (2019) IS STILL FREAKIN' SCARY!!

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Starting point is 00:01:00 This week's videos are sponsored by Pricepix, the easy to use fantasy sports betting app. More on them in just a bit. Let's pull up the movie and I'll count us in. Okay, let's go to three, two, one. We're going for it. It's chapter two. Bravo. If you guys are listening to us on Apple, our Spotify, please give us a five-star rating. Also, if you're on YouTube, you can like, comment, subscribe when you do ring the bell. Ring the bell. Also, thank you to Prepper for helping edit down these highlights. We super appreciate you. Yes, we do. We are going to get

Starting point is 00:01:45 into our patron questions. If you're not on Patreon, that's where you need to go. That's where you can send us questions. First one, Dakota Jones. With this have worked better, in your eyes is a series like the one coming out now which seems like a second attempt to try again i still love the 99 one more the kids felt genuine and while it's in while it's in its second half it dragged whereas this second half felt way too fast i mean 30 minutes in we're already at the chinese restaurant did it feel that way for you guys i mean i didn't see the 99 one i saw the 91 again 32 33 years ago so i didn't remember everything i will be transparent the only thing i remembered was about Stanley.

Starting point is 00:02:28 That was the only thing I truly remembered. I personally, I know I said one time that it was kind of dragging a little bit, but I understood what they were trying to do invoking the fears and we had repressed memories. We had to face those things in order to once again get back to defeating Pennywise and also we had to fill in that time gap of

Starting point is 00:02:47 when we were arguing with each other and then when we had the isolation mode in between the fight and the final climactic battle in the first movie. So I liked all that. And in regards to getting to the first 30 minutes, we were already there. We had a whole movie of building up with them as kids. So to get here, I personally didn't feel it was rushed.

Starting point is 00:03:05 And I thought it was fine. What about you? I felt fine about that. But I also haven't read the book. And you're probably referring to the 91, which I haven't seen. So I don't know how long it takes them to get to the Chinese restaurant. If they got there too soon for you, I didn't feel like it was too soon for me because I don't know all those puzzle pieces from the one prior. But you also mentioned that you felt like the kids were genuine.

Starting point is 00:03:29 But I felt like in chapter one, the kids were really well cast. But also, I haven't seen the 1991. So I'm not sure if those kids like way outshine these kids in chapter one, even though in this one we're not seeing, we're seeing mostly adults, but the kids are still there. I would have to go back and watch that one and then give my opinion on it. Let us know if you want us to react to that 1990 version. I would love to.

Starting point is 00:03:55 It's been a long time. all right j rushden all right do you want me go ahead like what adult character are you most alike if pennywise was very smart pennywise would steal andrew's girlfriend or terra's cats in dairy town won't have it won't i mean don't have a girlfriend but thank you for the presumption appreciate it used to um yeah i did um but uh which adult characters are you most alike Ooh. I'd like to think I was like Ben, a charming, you know, very rich and successful guy who's always going to do the right thing. That's my goal is to be Ben, honestly, but also be a leader like Bill, like no matter what happens and to accept grief and accept loss and not feel guilt towards anything that is truly out of my control. So I would like to be a combo of the two and end up with someone as strong-willed. and as rebellious and gorgeous as Beverly. So let's go with that. How about you, Tara?

Starting point is 00:04:57 I think we answered this in the last one, too, that I think I would be the one that's closest to Beverly, obviously, because she's the first one to, like, grab a weapon, the first one to throw a rock, the first one to be a little bit more savage than the boys, which I very much appreciate. Love that in her. She is the best.

Starting point is 00:05:15 And really quick, I do want to point out, I loved Bill Hader's performance in this. Everyone was great. I loved all the adults. You really felt that they were the adult versions of the younger kids that came before them. I thought they all did a great job of doing that. But Bill Hater in particular, I thought he had a deep complexity to him. Obviously, the fact that he was gay, but it wasn't just about that.

Starting point is 00:05:33 The fact that he was able to balance out the comedic relief, too, while also giving a very nuanced performance, I thought was great. The reason I kept making that prediction about that he's going to come out to the group is because Pennywise was using that against him. But I still respected the fact that, you know what, even though this collective group is my family and they won't. judge me, I'd still like to keep that contained him within myself. And one day, if I'm ready to share that, I will. So I loved his character. He was so three-dimensional, and he was my favorite, honestly. Love it. All right. Awesome. Joe, Chapter 1 is scary for me. It had a lot of horrifying moments, which is why I enjoyed it, and I was looking forward to Chapter 2, but after watching 2, I didn't feel scared at all like I did with 1. Why is that? Perhaps because the

Starting point is 00:06:14 perspective of child's view of these events in the movies seem more terrifying rather than compared to when you're an adult. What are your thoughts? Did you feel the same? Thanks for your intake. Keep on living the dream as always stay awesome. I think that's a fair point. I think also too there was a lot of CGI in this film.

Starting point is 00:06:30 So the film, in my opinion, I still really enjoyed it. Definitely the first one more. But I think the film did not hit that same mark when it comes to the blending of practical and CGI and maybe the illusion was taking out a bit much. Also, I will say I do hear what you're saying about like seeing it from a child's perspective. But I think that was a big contention of the film is that, yes, they are adults, but they're tracking back a lot of these repressed memories that they're not, that they have not been facing over the time, that they have forgotten. I think that's something that

Starting point is 00:07:02 we as adults still face is like things we have forgotten over time just because it was so long ago. And that's so a way that we can, you know, face the past is by running straight towards it. So I thought that was, you know, a way to make effectively a scary tactic for these characters, besides the fact that they had to face like the shape shifting entity like Pennywise was the fact that, you know, facing the past and these repressed type of memories. So I still felt that effect. Obviously, the first film was a little more effective in that area, but I still thought it was great in this one. I think they took their time a little bit more in one. They had a more suspense, but also we're playing a lot with practical Pennywise, which is also just, super terrifying and he does great

Starting point is 00:07:46 performances. I think they did a little bit better of a job building up that suspense so that when we actually saw Pennywise it was like what in the actual F we don't want it. They did mix it a little bit with CGI in the first one but it was mixed really well with a lot

Starting point is 00:08:03 of practical. This one where he gets like very very large and he turned into like this crab spider it is scary but we're going with like I think when you're an adult and instead of something that you can imagine being a thing that you're obviously artists and creatives and the writer made up versus actually seeing a scary clown like follow you,

Starting point is 00:08:25 that's scarier, I think, because then your mind is like, that's real, right? So I think maybe that could be why. I know that you'd mention that maybe it's because we were in the kids' perspective in the first one and this one were an adult perspective. I don't think it really had necessarily a lot to do with that. I think it had to do more with, I mean, for me, the buildup of the suspense and when, like, the scares would actually happen. So, yeah, that's what I got to say for that.

Starting point is 00:08:56 All right. Let's go to Bella. Bella, thank you so much for being a royal reject and for asking a question. We appreciate it. Hey, Tara and Andrew. Hi, Bella. I don't completely dislike this film, but I felt it didn't really deliver a third act worthy of its epic runtime. and the time spent following each character's individual narrative became repetitive and felt too structured, almost like checking off pullet points.

Starting point is 00:09:19 I can see what you're saying. Do you think the film used its time effectively, Tara? So I would agree with you in delivering the third act, like worthy of all the time spent, I think they really could have probably sped up on giving us that foundation with each and every character. I don't think they needed to take as long as they did with each one. It didn't, in them doing that and setting up the foundation, especially when Eddie goes to die, it didn't make us feel anything more than we would have already felt. It's giving us a little bit more of a backstory, but I agree with you for a movie that's close to three hours, we should really be feeling you would hope, although a lot of three hour movies don't feel like this, but you would hope that the time would feel like it's flying by. there are parts in this where yes it felt structured like oh well who's the character we haven't got to yet to get that foundation in so you're kind of like okay i get it we got three more to go so i completely understand where you're coming from bella i felt the time a little bit but i i've watched other three-hour movies where i felt it like a lot more so i'm i'm still like ah this movie is still fun for me but i do understand where you're coming from yeah totally bella i mean there were times i definitely as i mentioned in real time during the reaction. I said, there's moments here, it's dragging a little bit.

Starting point is 00:10:43 But again, I liked having it answered, like, what they were going through because I did not know the, uh, what the time lapse was from that fight where they all were in now isolation, because Pennywise was still alive. I didn't know what the time lapse was or what they were going through from the fight to the actual climactic battle in the first movie. So I like that that was answered while also going through what these characters have forgotten and these repressed memories that they were dealing with because that's something I can actually resonate with myself because there's a ton of repress things that I go through and like why I'm the way I am. So I think that was something that I thought was personally used effectively. Now did it get to a third act that I

Starting point is 00:11:23 thought was holy shit climactic? I still think like the whole crab like spider thing and maybe that's in the book and that's totally cool. I haven't read the book. So I just again, it was a little too CGI heavy for me and there were a couple times in those scenes where I was glad these questions were being, or these scenes were being shown and I was being given, you know, a visual on what happened. And I thought that was great. But I think we still could have sped up the pacing just a little bit tighter and would have been perfect for me. But otherwise, I thought it was pretty good, honestly. Reject Nation, you and I make decisions every day. But on prize picks, being right can actually get you paid. Now, truth, my wife is a massive football fan. In fact,

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Starting point is 00:13:08 Prize Vicks. It's good to be right. All right, from D.K. Lounge. I think they did a great job casting the adult versions of the losers. Thin's Wolfhardt was the one who suggested Bill Hader is an adult Richie. And Hater is the highlight of the adult cast, bringing his signature comedy chops. And some surprising emotional depth at the end as he's mourning Eddie, speaking of which James Ranson as adult Eddie looks exactly like. Jack Dylan Classer as young Eddie, and his chemistry with hater is spot on.

Starting point is 00:13:38 The way Pennywise was killed off for good is considered very divisive, given all the losers did, was just bully him and call him being names. What other ways do you think you could make him feel small? Interesting that that would be divisive, although I know, like, because they're bullying him and that's like what they were fighting against because they were bullied their whole lives. But it's Pennywise just killed so many people. Like anything you got to do to kill this thing, I'm cool. with, but what other way could you think of to make him feel small? I don't know. I mean, Tara said it best if anyone would die on this team in a horror situation, it's

Starting point is 00:14:17 going to be me. So I'm not the person to be asking this question, because we all know I'd be fish food in half a second. So I don't know. But I like what they, honestly, it was kind of simplistic what they did, but I still like the way they arrived at this answer as the themes of these two movies, unity together they were resourceful and they I thought it I thought it honestly was that part of it was satisfying how they figured out how to defeat him yeah um I don't know like funny wise you could

Starting point is 00:14:45 just buy some baby clothes and be like yeah this is your size it'll fit great um but you could also maybe you climb above something POV he has to look up with you makes you seem bigger honestly I don't I don't have the greatest answers for you DK lounge but I do understand what you're saying that they do bully him and call him mean names. But the thing is, is like when you use that sort of divisive nature on someone who's that divisive, it would work, right? Because no one else is going to do that to him because they're all just too afraid. It's sort of like if we're putting it in a position with Beverly's dad, it's like if

Starting point is 00:15:20 Beverly's dad ever had enough people being like calling him names, I think that he would probably like shrink down and want to run away, being very fully aware of. like who he is and the things that he's doing because there has to be something deep down where he knows he is effing up big time. Like what a psychopath. So I think in turning that divisive nature on someone who

Starting point is 00:15:45 is that divisive is a smart way to do it. But it's also like a very rewarding thing for the audience, right? That you're like, yeah, make him feel small because he's been torturing us for like forever and killing all of these people. So I didn't really

Starting point is 00:16:01 mind it. I didn't mind it. I thought that it was a good move. I could see Tara giving him the baby clothes and saying to Pennywise, it fits too. Yeah, that's a good line. All right, Billy Barnes. Billy Barnes, thank you so much for being a royal reject

Starting point is 00:16:16 and for asking us a question. We appreciate you so much. Hello, hope you are both doing well. Scooby-Doo was a fun character. I love the it movies and can't wait for the series coming out soon. My question is, what did you think about the more C.G. I focused horror and how did they approach the younger versions of them scenes? Well, y'all know how I thought. You threw me off at the Scooby-Doo in

Starting point is 00:16:38 the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that you guys know that I am a big fan of practical effects. I always call them out. And in most of this, you know, I don't think the cg i was like that horrible it's not like anything looks uh like the baby in that other movie we watched that everybody was screaming about the flash hated the baby and the fantastic four yeah oh god everybody hated that baby anyway it wasn't like that to me but i do i would have appreciated it which most i believe horror audiences would which i'm surprised by it doing chapter one doing so well that with It Chapter 2, that they decide to go a more CGI-focused way. Obviously, that's the only way we can create a really big Pennywise,

Starting point is 00:17:33 making them like an, you know, octopus crab spider thing. But I think in going with practical, that's more what an audience does really like to see. So I would say the way they approached it, they had to use CGI for some of this stuff. But I would have liked more practicality, sort of like when we're down there in the bleachers with the girl and she sees Pennywise,

Starting point is 00:17:55 and that's kind of one of the first times we actually see him. Him just as an actor and in that lighting, he's like holding his own light. And it's great. It's spooky. It brings you back to that classic feel

Starting point is 00:18:08 of Pennywise and how he's like very palpable and can reach out and just like kill you. For sure. So I would have loved to go back to that. I got to tell you, I agree with everything you just said. Some of my favorite CGI in this film because I think the film was a little heavy CGI,

Starting point is 00:18:23 as I mentioned a couple of times. times already in this review. I'd say one of my favorite shots of CGI in this film. Very simple one that they did where we saw Bill Scarsgaard out of makeup and then he kind of was like cutting his face and then it was like going across in the red lines. That's a very simple one. I love that one. But when he was bigger and I get there's going to be like Tara said certain shots where you have to do CGI for sure. But I would go back and I get it. It would be tough. It's a lot tougher to do when you do practical but it's more rewarding for us the audience. Honestly, go back to the film Alien. or aliens, rather, than 1986 classic from James Cameron,

Starting point is 00:18:57 that alien queen is all practical thanks to Stan Winston and crew. And it looks real as shit. So if you would have done most of this thing with Pennywise here when he's the spider crab as a practical effect, again, with some balancing of some CGI for sure, which totally understandable, I personally think that would have allowed me to accept the illusion a lot more. Yeah, I agree.

Starting point is 00:19:23 All right. Chase Lee, thank you so much for being a royal reject and for asking us a question. We appreciate you if you could cast an actor now to play you in 30 years. Who would it be? Oh, God. I don't know. Who do you think, Chase Lee? Yeah, I wanted, yeah, Chase, that's, I want to hear who you.

Starting point is 00:19:42 I wanted options. Like, I wanted you to give us four options for Andrew and four options for me. But in 30 years, I'm going to be 67. God. I'll be 44. You'll be, yes, you'll be 44 in 30 years. That's correct. Who would I pick to play me at 67?

Starting point is 00:20:02 I don't know. That's like a really tough question. Yeah, I don't know. Can you leave it in the comments, Chase Lee? Yeah, Chase, let us know. Say who you think would be for me and for Andrew. Please, thank you. Love to hear.

Starting point is 00:20:15 All right, Jaden Rhodes. I do prefer this one over the first one. Not a very popular opinion, though. But the one thing I do like more about the first one, is the gang. I feel they're more like a unit. This one doesn't feel like they could really capture what made the group so good in the first movie. I highly recommend the book. It's my personal favorite book. There's a lot of stuff that'll make you uncomfortable in squirm while reading, but it's an amazing book. Also, I do love that we've been seeing a lot of you two together.

Starting point is 00:20:39 I can't wait to see more of y'all's reaction. Okay, that's awesome. No questions there, but we do love that feedback. I probably will not read the book only because of what we have learned. You guys have told us. Yeah. the seed with Beverly. Yeah, we'll go, we'll leave it at that. And I don't, I don't want anything to do with it. All right. Let's read Leon 3. All right. Leon 03. Thank you so much for being a royal regent and for the question. We appreciate it. Another interesting bit from the book is the fact that the loser, the losers club as kids had a version of it arriving to Earth from another dimension in the form of a giant flaming meteor trillions of years ago before the dinosaurs. The crater was the spot. Dairy was built. When the first settlers arrived in the 1700s, it began his feeding cycle of waking up every 30 years or so. Somehow it knew humans were going to arrive.

Starting point is 00:21:33 The other strange thing is his awakening and sleeping periods always started and ended with a random, heinous violence, violent crime from some local of dairy, maybe by mind manipulation, like in 1904 when it awakens when a lumberjack murders a dozen men in a bar with just one axe, then returns to hibernation in 1906. when the Kitchener Ironworks explode, killing 108 people, 88 of whom were children at an Easter egg hunt. The other example being when it awoke when a father killed his youngest kid with a hammer this morning,

Starting point is 00:22:05 or the morning Georgie was killed in 1957, and the other being the gay couple getting assaulted after the carnival in 1984, similar to this movie. In all this random acts of crime, it is involved somehow in plenty witnesses from Derry Recall, seeing either a clown or a monster sort of creature nearby in all these events as revealed when Mike starts investigating the murders of Derry as an adult.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Do you guys wish this movie explored some of its backstory with Derry some more? Oh, we just got the backstory from you, right? I mean, that would have been fasting. I think the movie already, the runtime was so long. I think you're saying maybe replace some of these repressed things, you know, the in-between of the fight and the ending of part one.

Starting point is 00:22:51 replace that i don't think that's the worst idea in the world you definitely could have done that but i personally thought again because the gang is is the strength and you know penny wise is is more like kind of like the symbolism and you know and an allegory and analogy for you know the fear that that they face so i would have liked that i think that would have been cool but i don't think we had the runtime to do it that's more of maybe a series you would do to show his backstory honestly but if we were to take Pennywise at his word I think that was his daughter right the one in the apartment that he was showing

Starting point is 00:23:28 so we got slight little snippets but I don't know what this new show is about this dairy show I literally have not read a thing if that's possibly what it's about or the earlier days in dairy when Pennywise started attacking whatever it is I'm curious to see this has made me get into dairy Pennywise you know territory where I'm just like

Starting point is 00:23:47 excited and I want to watch the 1991 again It's been 32, 33 years, so. But what about you, Tara? So what you would have to do with that idea, if you're going to work with a heinous crime, a violent crime, which is interesting, that that's what wakes him up, we would have to jump around to a bunch of different timelines

Starting point is 00:24:03 because it's not going to happen day after day to where we can, like, follow these characters. So if we still want to bring them back, I think that that's where the problem exists in being a film versus a book. You could jump around a lot, but it probably would feel a little bit more like a TV show. so I think that's a very cool thing

Starting point is 00:24:22 that that's actually like, oh, he awakens when a violent crime happens via humans and then he goes, he gets at it. I think that's very interesting. So I do appreciate all of that stuff, Leon. I think too, because like in that moment of you dying and like feeling, you're feeling fear from whatever's happening in those moments of attack.

Starting point is 00:24:41 So it would make sense that he awakens in those moments of horror. So I totally get that. okay one second guys okay I see okay let's read this last one from Leon and then we got to get out of here Leon um the creature in true form in the book is described as endless hairy creature

Starting point is 00:25:09 made of orange light which is the human mind can't comprehend without turning insane oh I think yeah you already posted this in our chapter one um you explained the ritual of chud, where they emotionally fight it with their minds rather than physically, which we did actually answer this in Chapter 1. But I see that you reposted it in case we missed it. We did it, Leon. So go back to Chapter 1. We did actually answer that question. And we appreciate all of you guys reaching out, sending us questions. We always will come to the patron questions first because it helps feed our review. So keep sending those questions. We love it.

Starting point is 00:25:49 super appreciate you guys joining us on this journey. Can't wait to come back for more and we will see you on the next one.

The Reel Rejects - IT CHAPTER 2 (2019) IS STILL FREAKIN' SCARY!!

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