The Reel Rejects - JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017) IS AN ENTERTAINING MESS?! MOVIE REVIEW!!

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Starting point is 00:02:31 Tara Gregg, first of all, thank you for doing your best to read my last name. I know it's a mouthful. I'm actually considering changing it on Patreon to easier like Steve or Bruce. A lot of love you guys now. This is fine. We appreciate you.

Starting point is 00:02:47 Question, which element do you think was the worst change between this and the Snyder cut forced humor? I don't not like you ditching cyborg storyline flash neutered saving the world in SC versus pushing a car here. Henry's Shrek in a human form looking CGI face. I'll let you go first and say it was your first time viewing the Jostas league. So why don't you let people know what do you think was the worst change? I don't not like that wasn't very funny at all. The other ones were the flash neutered meaning he's like, right, you're saying like saving the world

Starting point is 00:03:28 versus like he just pushed a car somewhere else. I get that. It was like you're taking away his like coolness. I did not notice the Shrek in human form CGI face when I was apparently supposed to. It didn't. I don't know. I guess I missed it. So I think I would say maybe the force, that one line, the forced humor. Maybe I'll go with that. The whole film, just because they had to hit that two hour run time, and I get it, it can't be a four hour film, but it really felt

Starting point is 00:03:59 extremely rushed, especially when you watch the other version. I don't like the idea of, I mean, Cyborg's character was completely new. We'll get into Flash in a second. Cyborg's character, he was completely neutered from what we saw in the other version. Even his father's sacrifice, his redemption, Bruce's redemption. Even, I know they got to it towards the end, but Diana's leadership arc as well. It felt a little bit forced. The way Steppenwolf was used, I love his design so much better in the other version and

Starting point is 00:04:32 his whole, you know, redemption arc to and like trying to get in the good graces of Darkseid thought that was not not utilized in the right way in this version and also to in regards to what you are saying about yes to on Henry Cabba with the CGI face I agree with that as well but the whole flash point in which he's talking about here that scene where they're you know where they're out of time and and you know flash has to save them in slow motion yeah that is one of the best sequences in that movie and that's completely cut here yeah so I noticed that I said I missed it when he was like, do I go or do I not go?

Starting point is 00:05:07 I'm getting kind of tired here guys. That's that's a deal. That's that. I mean, that might be the sound we're talking. That's your talk. I think you might be talking about the sequence on the ship. I'm talking about when they were out of time with Steppenwolf and everyone was like delete, not deleted, but like erase because like the unity had formed and they were gone and he had to like must go fast Perry must go fast and like he actually like that scene. Yeah. Got it. That was one of the best sequences ever. Yeah. And that was very cool. Not having that in here at all. And again this film really suffered for me from I don't mind like you know shifting tones as long as it's balanced.

Starting point is 00:05:45 I mean, this one really had a lot of tone of whiplash for me. So, yeah, but I think that's how I felt. But I agree with a lot of your points here for sure. But any other thoughts in regards to changes that they? Not really, I mean. I definitely missed the Martian Manhunter too. That was cool because the general wasn't in this at all. Yeah. So and dark side. I missed having dark side in

Starting point is 00:06:10 here too. I know he's only in a couple scenes in the other one, but it was a lot. Actually, it just felt like I was like re watching a movie and I don't really re watch stuff much. So a lot of this stuff wasn't as first time exciting for me, you know, because like I felt like, Oh, I know what is the way it's possibly going to end up, which obviously definitely wasn't exactly the same a lot of like cool stuff and action sequences and, and foundational things were cut out. But I don't know if it bugged me extra. I think really overall, it was maybe the forced humor and then cutting out the stuff that looked really cool,

Starting point is 00:07:00 that I'm like, you could still probably use 10 seconds of it and not cut the whole thing out, right? Of making like, making it really known that Flash did sort of save the world, right? That you could put him in that position, but it is what it does. Right. I did love, I will say though, I did love the, that mid credit sequence with Superman and the Flash making that bet that was fun and then also to when they are running before that trying to save the family and him saving

Starting point is 00:07:31 the building like seeing them in slow motion while the earth slow motion while they're they're going fast but it's like slow for us so we can the audience see what they're how they're interacting like that was fun there were a couple cool and also when Arthur is on the the lasso of truth and that's great. That was funny. There's a lot of really good humor in this. Like you gave the perfect example example for it. Pavel meaning the I I do I don't not like it was just like and not that great but everything else though. I mean you heard me say it. I was like that's funny Yeah, and I definitely miss junkie excels music and this one as much as I love Danny Elfman

Starting point is 00:08:09 But alright next one is from Malik be outside of the initial tonal whiplash from the different cuts of the film Were there elements from this version of film that you liked better than in the Snyder cut that theatrical cut just seemed like it Was just trying its hardest to be an Avengers film, and it didn't fit the overall tone of the universe it's supposed to be in. I understand that there was a lot of those behind the scenes dramas circulating the film, but I feel like at that point,

Starting point is 00:08:36 they should have just postponed the project's release and spent more time on it. I love to hear your thoughts. Yeah, no, we were just talking about that for sure. It definitely felt like it was trying to be more like an Avengers film than be like the vision that Zack Snyder had and the vision that or the version rather that we ended up seeing of the Snyder cut, which I think we can both agree we liked a lot more. But we just told so as we just mentioned, I'd say

Starting point is 00:09:02 the things I don't know about liked more, but the things we that I liked in this, I liked when Flash and Superman were interacting in the way they were moving together. That was really good. I like the stuff when also I really liked I didn't just mention I like when Diana and Bruce the little romantic tension we were getting from them. I thought that was really good and how Batman was kind of decon or Bruce was kind of deconstructing her and talking about like where have you been all this time like you've been hiding in the shadows like in away from the world because of Steve Trevor.

Starting point is 00:09:32 I thought some of that drama was actually there wasn't a little bit of a little bit of a pull. Yeah, there was some good stuff there like that was actually like a little bit deep and dark in regards to that stuff because there's trauma there for her so I thought like that was pretty good and again the Aquaman with the the lasso I like that again I'm not gonna go did I like it better I just thought those stuff those things were really were pretty good um oh and I really did uh I was gonna say I already did mention this that I didn't like Steppenwolf's design but yeah I would say those are the things I just keep it on a positive note. Those are the things I liked in this version I don't know if I'm gonna say I like better, but what about you?

Starting point is 00:10:12 Um, I would say that a lot of some of the comedy Was was great that I thought was like really funny and I I enjoyed it I also think that what actually fit was more of the dark humor. Like when Batman says like, Oh, I, I was fine with it. Like basically saying he would have been fine dying. Like I like dark humor like that. Like it makes it more human in a sense, a little more grim, which I think fits this

Starting point is 00:10:44 universe a little bit better. So I like the dark humor that was added in, which it all wasn't dark. But I like those moments but I understand what you mean by saying it seems like it's in a different universe, which I would agree because in the Snyder cut, it's a lot darker and more moody and obviously more cinematic. This is like brighter with like an air of like the tone of let's add comedy in there to maybe make it match a family summer blockbuster that everybody can see and laugh about versus what I think Snyder was trying to do obviously with DC wasn't that. He was trying to make like a real film,

Starting point is 00:11:32 which is why, not that this isn't, he was just trying to be like, this is the full fricking story, which was very intense in four hours, but. Yeah, I think again, I pointed this out when we were reacting, I think when you I point this out when you when we were reacting. I think when you view this in the lens of like a Saturday morning cartoon, it's not as offensive, but when you view it as you know, a film and also the version that

Starting point is 00:11:56 I personally loved from the Snyder cut, it's it's not the complete piece that I wanted. But yeah, I get it. All right, from Stardust and Madness. Thank you for being a royal reject. And for the question, I know I'm the oddball here, but I actually like both versions. Awesome, love to hear it. For different reasons, and I'm so curious

Starting point is 00:12:19 to see your reactions to this one. Sometimes I just don't have four hours to spend watching a movie. And if I really want to see my favorite Batman and Superman so far anyway, I throw this version on. It reminds me a lot of the campy but fun Batman movies of the 90s. Excuse me with Val Kilmer, RIP and George Clooney, which I also have a nostalgia for. My questions are for Andrew unless Tara also has seen the flash TV show I've not wait. I've only seen the first four seasons. I gave up after three episodes of season 5 Which screen version of the flash is your favorite?

Starting point is 00:12:55 Did you think Ezra Miller did Barry Allen justice or do you prefer Grant Gustin or even John Wesley ship? I like Barry Allen. Excuse me. I like Ezra Miller in the Snyder cut a lot. There were moments in this I enjoyed what Ezra Miller was doing. I mean Grant Gustin. I know I said just said I only got up to three episodes of season five. I really liked what he did. He was emotional emotional he was he was the humor he had was great he had that wonder and adventure in him he was charming charismatic there was a lot of stuff I liked and I really like John Wesley ship too I know that there was I think there was only one season of that show from 1990 which was also composed by Danny Elfman

Starting point is 00:13:40 so I have a I'm like you start us in madness I have a nostalgia for that show as well because I grew up with that one I Think all three of them do something very different and unique with the character which is something I appreciate But if I had a gun to my head and I had to pick one Probably Grant Gustin, but also on the unfair side He got nine or ten seasons or however long it was, and I saw five of the, or I guess four seasons and three episodes of season five, so I'd say he had that unfair advantage, but I like all three. They all give different and unique fun takes, I think, but what about you?

Starting point is 00:14:16 I guess you've only seen one version, right? I can't answer that. Yeah. I've seen none of those things. Yeah. But I did like the flash in this. I think he's great at his comedic just his presence, his tone, his pacing. Obviously he he most likely has a comedic background. So I liked all of his deliveries. Actually, I haven't seen the other people. So who knows? Yeah. And I also do like how they made him socially awkward. I

Starting point is 00:14:43 thought that was fun. Yeah What oh, it's the best movie ever Tara thought It was fine. It's good. It was fine. Yeah, I mean it's like, you know, she didn't notice Henry Cavill not at all Everyone's like he looks like a Shrek looking guy and I was like, what are you guys talking about? Oh, I can tell. I can tell. Okay. That's great.

Starting point is 00:15:09 You can hear me in the background saying he never noticed it. So like I'm not the crazy one here. I mean in the first scene it's so noticeable. Yeah, you were laughing. I was like, I don't think it's that crazy. Okay. Our last question is from J. Rushton. He says, birthday wishes for Andrew there.

Starting point is 00:15:28 Happy birthday, J. Rushton. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, John.

Starting point is 00:15:38 Old. I appreciate it. He's doing it. Amy Adams was too good looking for lowest. Oh, okay. That's a little mean. Interesting. What character from this movie are you the most like? Okay. So Jay is just laying down some thoughts here. Good looking for love. See, it's in Margo kidder. I think she's good. We saw her in the Christopher Reeve ones. I thought she was good-looking I think Kate Bosworth is good-looking and then Yeah, Amy Adams is good. Oh like you were saying sorry

Starting point is 00:16:11 I I said rude like to but I'm like Lois is not like ugly Like she was pretty all the people that have played her even though I haven't seen all of the things I've always thought that they were they were really pretty and then then the new lowest we are obviously we have not seen the movie. I've only seen one trailer. I forgot the actors, Rachel. I forgot the last time, but she's gorgeous. And in the animated series in the comics, I believe it's always been pretty so. But in regards to what character from this movie are you most like? I think everyone can agree, at least here on the team, I'm most like Barry. I'm so I'm very socially awkward

Starting point is 00:16:48 Yes, so definitely Barry on I'm just not as fast as him Right. Oh, I would definitely go with Perry Allen I could use that speed though because I am always in a rush But I just don't have the speed juice as Tara would say like Barry Allen So who would you which character from this film or the Snyder cut whatever are you like let's honestly let's think about it for a second because what I really was thinking is that it would be a mix maybe between Lois and like Wonder Woman but like add in the leader, the leader vibe, uh, and maybe more of Batman's dark humor.

Starting point is 00:17:27 Hmm. I can see that. That could probably be more so me, but I get that that's four people mixed together, but Hey, that's an answer. Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's better than my plain answer. If I'm socially awkward and I wish I was fast. Terror she's just so creative like that. But anyways again we apologize for those two questions that maybe they're in this thing. They might they might be if we find them. But when we will eventually find them if not on this one and we will get back to you. So we don't want to think we forgot about you. The two that you asked those questions to okay here you go Oh, which were they they were?

Starting point is 00:18:08 Just a girl or something right just a girl three two nine Do you think Joss Whedon snappy dialogue makes Zack Snyder's vision more aligned with the comics? Superman isn't known for maiming his enemies was he too harsh on Steppenwolf and lastly which version of Justice League did you find more entertaining XOX just a girl for the question what do you think well here's the thing just a girl I didn't read the comics I do always I do like the snappy dialogue I didn't really like the comedic tone of what was thrown in this. So I don't know if it's more aligned or not. And it says like Superman isn't known for maiming his enemies. Was he too harsh on Steppenwolf in this one or the last one?

Starting point is 00:18:59 I think he's talking about the the Snyder coat was was Superman too harsh on Steppenwolf in the other one. No, no, not at all everyone was so mad when who killed when he killed when he killed him right when he what's the movie where everyone was like he doesn't kill am I going to steal man is still where you go Todd thank you so everyone lost their minds like in Man of Steel when he killed at the end and I thought that was badass. And I know like what you're saying a lot of people who've gone through the comics and are very drawn into like here's the moral code and here's what they never do. except, I mean, it gives you sort of like,

Starting point is 00:19:47 a vengeance feeling, like a revenge feeling when he's kicking his butt, and I really like that. So I don't think it was too harsh at all. I was down with it. And the Justice League one, I like Zack's better, but I will agree somebody sent this question when we're watching it, they're like, "'Do you think it should have been four episodes in like HBO? And I was like, I would have liked that.

Starting point is 00:20:11 Or two episodes just because it was really long, but I did like that version better. It gave obviously a lot of foundation, but also had a darker tone to it, which again, that was the whole reason. That movie very, not maybe the Snyder cut specifically, but of a lot of the other movies that we watched prior, I was like, oh, I think I'm a DC girl now, because I feel like these characters match up more to who I am and who I would present to the world

Starting point is 00:20:43 than like fun and outgoing Marvel characters, right? So I really like the world that he built for DC specifically. And I think that the dark humor that was even in this one, which is like the humor is sometimes not everyone's favorite. I liked it. But the dark humor, the one that I liked the most was in Batman was like, I think I'd be fine dying. And I liked it. My but the dark humor, the one that I like the most was in Batman was like, I think I I'd be fine dying. And I liked that. For sure. You can make an argument that Joss Whedon's snappy doll dialogue more

Starting point is 00:21:12 aligns with the comics. But I think for the world that Zack Snyder had built for Superman and again, it was a world ending event when he was fighting Steppenwolf and Steppenwolf at that point in the film had been basically impossible for the rest of the Justice League to handle so I didn't mind that and also the world was not really watching him. I know it was more us the fans and the audience at that point watching so I didn't mind with how Superman was handling him and also the way he was like smiling and being like inspiring to uh in that way like I didn't mind it in any way, shape or form. So yeah, the dialogue was fine with how Joss Whedon presented it. But again, I know you can play that.

Starting point is 00:21:49 I guess you play the drinking game for how we compared and contrasted with talking about, oh, this version did then this version did that. But I just I just like the way that Snyder did in his version. But I did, too. And again, I haven't read the comics. So that does say a lot, meaning obviously Snyder's cut is going to be there for the people who've read the comics to be like, this is the true story. And it's me yelling back at you being like, I don't know the true story, but I do like that version better.

Starting point is 00:22:20 Yeah. All right. Last question from Maurice Gray Jr. We found it. Do you like this or the theatrical cut better was you can tell we definitely like the theatrical cut better. It's not even close. I think we can both agree we like the Snyder cut better. There were elements for sure of the theatrical cut that we enjoyed. Some of the dialogue with Flash with the Flash rather, and with Superman. Some of those interactions were great. Aquaman with the lasso of truth. Some of the action sequences were cool. Batman and Wonder Woman, those were good.

Starting point is 00:22:56 Those were a good conversation. Like that was like kind of dark. I really liked that. Yeah, no, definitely. So again, there were some stuff in the theatrical cut that we definitely enjoyed but overall and I get it Not everyone can sit and watch a four-hour movie and just break it up y'all I swear to God, you know what I would do I'd set a timer and it'd be like one hour time the next day do the next part and I think like if you're like I can't do the four hours do it like that Yeah I will I will say though and if if and when I do watch this film again, which will probably be in a few years

Starting point is 00:23:30 I'm most likely gonna watch the the Snyder cuts. Yeah Yeah, and it's not like it took forever to get through. It's like that movie is really really good So it's not like you're really feeling the four hours. Thank goodness. But also I get it. It's freaking four hours. Like are you wackadoo? And it's like, no, it's really really good. But what I would do is I would break it up. Wackadoo what you would do. Yeah. Exactly. Thank you so much for the questions. We have to get going. But I'm just going to ask Tara one quick question. Actually make it two and then

Starting point is 00:24:03 we're done here. I just want her to guess what the Rotten Tomatoes of the Jostus League was and then I will ask her box office okay and we'll get out of here okay so I'm gonna a 69 and the audience gave it a 77. Okay, so you said critics was 69, 39. And you said 77. Yeah. It was a 67 by the audience. Okay, I wasn't too far off there. Yeah, no, you were close on the audience.

Starting point is 00:24:43 But the Zack Snyder cut came out after this that was four years later Yeah, the Snyder cut just as I just want to see what that got on Rotten Tomatoes And then we'll do the box office here Rotten tomatoes for that one that was a lot higher had to be and it was 71 by the critics Yeah, and 92 by the fan there you have Yeah, so I guess we were not alone in our feelings. All right, Justice League box office Oh, yeah, I just need to know the budget first and then I'll guess box. All right bud So the budget do you want to even guess the budget or nah?

Starting point is 00:25:18 I'm not good at that 300 million dollars for the film. We watched. That's the 2017 version. I bet. I'm thinking worldwide that they made 550 million 661 million three hundred and twenty four thousand two hundred and ninety five. So they just doubled it barely. I was thinking they might go a little under the double on a 300 million dollar That's very tough. Yeah, i'm not surprised by that. It should be tripled, right? Because it's I mean they're not making really making their money back here But because i'm sure the word got out that people disliked this movie

Starting point is 00:25:59 um People were like screw it. I'll wait till it comes out on Netflix. I guess we got to get going. But thank you so much. If you have stuck with us this long, I'm not sure. Do we know what we're watching next or I think it's Aquaman or something else. It's one of those that's in this arena. Well, we shall see. Anyways, thank you so much.

Starting point is 00:26:20 If you stuck with us this long, we appreciate it. Take care. Be well.

The Reel Rejects - JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017) IS AN ENTERTAINING MESS?! MOVIE REVIEW!!

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