The Reel Rejects - KARATE KID: LEGENDS (2025) STRIKES HARD!! MOVIE REVIEW!!

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

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More on them in just a bit. Always like some kind of martial arts training course designed to keep our wits sharp and our emotions sharper. Let's watch this movie, people! Let's do it. Best mid or earlier to mid-credit scene I've ever seen. John Entwistle. do not recognize

or well maybe that director name sounds kind of familiar oh my goodness yeah let's go interesting look at these drawings is the movie over didn't it just start I mean it is a compact

movie I mean as the credits are rolling we had a couple minutes for the intro and we're only just past like an hour and a half so like this is a compact movie I would be curious to know how much runtime the other movies have? You would think of, or I've seen them so many times, I would know this. But guys, thank you for joining us.

We have just ingested the newest Karate Kid offering Karate Kid Legends. And we got some thoughts, but before we get into those thoughts, I want to say a big thank you to the Prepper Dojo churning out only the most. skilled of editors and other you know behind the scenes back end working people

I tried to say that eloquently and I failed but they are waxing on and waxing off tirelessly to chop these highlights together for you and we appreciate them very mightily for it also if you happen to be listening to our review on Apple or Spotify

we got a special appearance by William Zabka in the credits so amazing leave a rating for that and just leave a rating for the episode in general gang we are going to get to our thoughts but we're going to start by

throwing it to you guys that's why our Royal Rejectamundoes like to kick off our review sections these days with yeah a little bit of a Q&A portion see what you guys want to talk about Jackie Chan stunt team absolutely

the Jackie Chan stunt team is prolific And they did some fine work here. All right, guys. Let's start off with a couple of questions. Starting with Ryan Baines. Thank you for chiming in and guiding our convo. Ryan says, I haven't seen the movie yet. Oh.

So should I watch it? Just kidding. If I ask that and then watch the watch along with you guys to see you answer my question, then I will have no doubt seen it. So my question is a boot point. So, okay, favorite Jackie Chan movie. That's great. Oh, favorite Jackie Chan movie.

That's a great. Rush hour is the easy answer, the first one. I love that movie so much. I really loved Rumble in the Bronx. That was a lot of freaking fun. Yeah. Golly, it's hard to choose one. Okay.

I would say between those two, but I also really like Jackie Chan's first strike. That was the first movie I ever saw of Jackie Chan's. There was a movie. I mean, there are so many great ones to choose from, obviously. And, you know, you have your more American side stuff, like your rush hours and your Shanghai noons. But I want to shout out a flick called Who Am I? I've never seen it. Jackie Chan's, Who Am I?

I got to react to that one. I've heard such great thing. It is a great flick. And I just want to make sure I'm not confusing it with a different movie because I believe on the cat. No. It is from 1998. I'm so sorry I did see a clip of him like running down a building

like on Twitter one time Is that's not, is it from that movie? I think it might be. Okay. Because I saw that stun. I'm like, holy crap, I got to see this movie. The police story movies are great. I believe Michelle Yeo is even in one of those.

But yeah, what did you got one? I really liked the second. rush hour yeah I don't have a wealth to pull from but shout out to those who remember it's not a movie I don't know this is technically cheating as an answer but Jackie Chan Adventures that cartoon when I was a kid dude I never seen that oh look out look out would you put maybe karate kid 2010 you like rush hour too better than that because I know you really like karate kid 2010 that's why I was asking you really like he's a star of the he's one of the co-leads I just it was just I came

Maybe it's like, maybe it's like here. Karate Kid 2010 here. Rush R1 and 2. I will say, like, I don't have a huge recollection of everything that happened in the 2010 film, but I do remember, like, the one scene where he's pouring his heart out. Like, that's one of the best scenes I've seen in the car. Yeah, like that. Yeah, that's like one of the best scenes in the Karate Kid, you know, ethos.

So, you know. And you are correct in 1998. Who am I? Jackie Chan performs a dangerous stunt where he slides down the slope glass face. I want to see. I definitely want to see that movie. Willemsworth Building in Rotterdam. Yeah.

And this 20-store building in the Netherlands, you know, is part of a stunt that is considered to be one of the most iconic and dangerous as he did it without CGI or a double. So check out Jackie Chans, who am I? Yeah. No, I saw that. That's literally the only scene I've seen in that movie. And I watch that.

I'm like, I need to react to this film as the most incredible, one of the most incredible and craziest stunts I've ever seen. It's Tom Cruise-esque. Those two are just like. Magnificent at their crafts, what they do. He was out here doing the Tom Cruise bit before Tom Cruise. It looks like there were 22 needle drops in this hour and a half movie. That is, that's a thick playlist.

Must, must say. All right. Thank you, Ryan Baines. I counted all the tracks over there. Next, we got Resonance Z or Resonances. Do you feel like having Lee Fong already competent in Kung Fu? made the movie less compelling. While I did

still enjoy the movie, I didn't feel like Lee Fong was ever really in danger and having him trained with Mr. Hahn and Larusa was more of fan service than in need. Also, I didn't feel the emotional punches I did with the other movies in the series despite having both Victor and the memory of his brother

to fight for. Do you think the structure felt a bit off, wouldn't it change the thing? Perfect structure. This is how all movies should be structured. tight 90, no matter what. That's a great question. It's interesting how the film did it

because we saw him training at the beginning. And then we saw later on that, obviously with Connor, who's a very competent opponent, that he wasn't very good against him. But then we saw immediately, like, a few hours later, he was easily able to fend off those three guys coming at him. Again, I would imagine those three are nowhere near the level of training

that Connor has had so I could I could get that but I think the whole interpretation is supposed to be as well like hey he is a competent fighter but he's dealing with a lot of PTSD so that's where his emotional arc comes from but I guess to getting back to your question would it have been more compelling if we go back to the structure of the first film and even the 2010 where he's not as good of a fighter and then you know this sets up the more so the emotional arc I actually don't mind that they did something different I think it would have felt a little bit of doing the exact same thing. I just think the way they executed on it,

just at times it didn't feel like it was done in a way that I'm like, wait, I can't tell is he really not that good? Is he very good? Like, it was a little confusing at times with how they executed on that, as I just said. But again, in terms of emotional arc and that, I'm glad that they were ambitious enough to try something a little bit different

as to not be repetitive. So, you know, I felt it was completely, telling in that way what about you guys hmm I'm I'm I'll there's things I really liked about the movie

I thought that the lead kid was really good I thought him and the the girl had chemistry I liked the relationship with the dad funny enough I remember reading like a reporter seeing like a news thing around the time this was announced that the plot of the movie would be about the kid who was proficient

karate training the adult but I granted that was just a section of this film that is like three films, one about relationship, the other one about the training of him for the competition, and the other one about the dad. And I feel like the first two parts of the movie were the most emotionally compelling for me. And I just felt like if somebody hadn't seen karate kid, the original in a while, or hadn't seen the 2010 movie in a while, it doesn't really hit you as hard with the fan service stuff.

Like, for example, you guys were like, we're losing it and were like, granted him ear to ear with, that post-credit scene i've seen karate i've seen uh cobra kai it's been some years but i didn't have the immediacy of that excitement that you guys did because you guys literally just watched the show end so it's a weird thing of wanting to create its own lane while also wanting to have its fan service because i didn't the movie didn't ever justify having laruso in the film for me i felt like he was a fun addition but he didn't add anything extra that wasn't already um accessible through having his relationship with an established mentor. But I think that it was still fun.

I don't think it's a bad movie by any means, but it's just a little quick. Like it's hitting those beats or some similar beats to other Karate Kid movies, but not without the length and the heart to really allow you to feel those things. Yeah. Yeah, and really quick, John, before you go, I even think to add to that,

if this wouldn't even have been Karate Kid, And like Mr. Hahn wasn't in the movie And Daniel wasn't in the movie And we really would have had like an hour and 45 minute long movie Or even two hours hour long And you really focused on that storyline of him Like having the redemption arc A storyline with him and you know

With his brother and training Joshua Jackson's character You could have had a whole movie with that And I would have been like damn This is really good stuff And it's very dramatic and poignant And I would have been totally down with that Granted all that said that post credit Or mid-credit or mid-credit

Whatever you want to call before mid-credit made me Like you said, Grenadier to ear, so I was okay with that. That's spoiled Cobra Chi guys. Definitely did. I guess you know the character's okay, you know? Yeah, and I know that, well, if I hadn't, I think by the time I stopped him in, those two were already friends, but I know the show didn't start off with them being friends. So it's like maybe slight cobra kai spoilers? I will just let you say, I will say just watch it.

You're good. There's plenty to discover. like contextually this did not take much of anything from anything yeah it was very light it was like very loose with it even his motivation to not want to go to new york was very kind of flimsy because it's like no i can't go to new york and then the next scene he's like in new york but never give a reason why he couldn't go for sure he just said he couldn't go yeah other than that uh little line that was just added in from crying part two yeah that was interesting

i mean i to your question i believe i think personally that it was an interesting choice to have Lee Fong already be proficient at Kung Fu to some degree because I feel like that does allow you an opportunity to do something, yeah, just outside of the normal structure that we're used to. And you could use that to create some interesting stakes. And they do somewhat here. The organization of events is a little funky because on the one hand, yeah, I really like this idea that there's some reason why his interesting kung fu is

being sort of redirected and his mom doesn't want him to do it and all that stuff and he has a degree of skill and so awakening that through the training with Joshua Jackson's character I actually thought was really cool and a good way to like establish some confidence that you

could then you know shake with some kind of again attack from the douchebag guy or whatever Connor you know it's one of those things where I think the power scaling of this movie is a little funky because yeah he gets taken down my Connor and we can all just fill in the blank and go okay well he's always just training at the demolition dojo so he must just eat sleep and breathe whatever martial art they learn there and so that's why he's so much better but like you know he has those moments where it seems like again that guy Connor is clearly able to handle him and to you know work around whatever tricks he's got up his sleeve which is fine in and of itself but then he fights like three dudes with weapons and i get that like again a little bit of martial arts know how might go a long way in a situation like that but like the proportionality of like him getting shown up

the way he did by connor and then take it out three dudes adult dudes in an alleyway was just like a little bit funky and then yeah um you know uh having Han and Laruso joined together to teach him was also kind of a funky thing because yeah I would agree with your assessment here that that feels like ultimately it is mostly for fan service and at first

I wasn't actually that upset by or even like at first I was willing within the movies confines to accept the retroactive continuity of like oh Miyagi Doe is actually you know this special

blend of you know meagi Okinawa karate and you know Kung Fu from the Hans and you know Hong Kong or whatever and like that's neat enough and even this shit where they're like I was just outside the door when you and Mr. Miyagi were doing this thing

and I was his friend all along like that stuff's fine the trouble is that yeah Jackie Chan didn't feel like he was connected really to either movie and Danny Laruso is kind of a straight man and it's like yeah it's cool that he's here training Lee but

like you don't really get any moments of bonding between the two of them and you have a similar sort of rapport with Mr. Hahn that you do with Johnny just in a slightly different flavor so it's like oh they're the odd couple now who can't agree on whose methodology is better and I thought we were kind of past that right why did you bring them long if you guys can't agree to it kind of undermines why he brought him along exactly and if it's going to be as cartoony as it is because like for the second half of the movie they ultimately become like just this kind of like fun bickory couple. I get it. They were trying to do the Johnny. It's like But it didn't really feel Yeah, it didn't feel natural. Even with Johnny, there is a sense of mentorship. Right. Like when the two of them team up to mentor him, it almost

feels like he's kind of figuring it out himself still or something. And so yeah, like this movie certainly is a victim of not having enough breathing room. For sure. And just totally off topic, not the same thing we're talking about. But I mentioned it while it happened in the first moment.

I found it, it's not a big deal in any way, but I found it absolutely hysterical how they made such a big continuity year. Yes, Karate Kid Part 2 did come out in 1986, but that film took place in 1985 because it was Daniel's senior year, which came out in 1985. And that second All Valley Karate Karate Kid Part 3 took place in 1985 as well. So it's like, I wonder how they didn't realize that? Because I knew it like right away. I wasn't working on the movie. So I'm surprised people who were getting paid to do this didn't know that. Yeah, that's interesting. That's funny.

Also, did they take care of that loan shark? Did they figure that out? Well, I think when he won the $50,000, he probably gave him the money. I don't know how much he exactly owed. I believed Lee Fong was in danger sometimes. But yeah, and even the stuff with the brother, as you mentioned here, having all these motivations and Victor, yeah, it was kind of strange because I felt like the brother stuff really became requisite

and really became just like, well, we need you to have some kind of traumatic thing to overcome and I really didn't feel like

they spent a lot of emotional time overcoming that. Like if ever a movie I feel like could easily earn itself an extra 15 minutes to let some stuff

breathe and to pay off some characters and to really feel like the problem is yeah, the first half of the movie feels like a real movie and it feels akin

to Karate Kid 2010 in terms of its updated more modern language and tone and even like the subtitle translations and like the animations and stuff are cool

but they don't quite feel like unified and it's fascinating because you start for the first half hour or so you're like no this is pretty sweet like I'm really enjoying this and this is very endearing and it feels like it does have some characterization

and even if it's moving at a brisk pace everything feels proportional and then yeah once Mr. Hahn comes into the apartment like the whole movie changes it really goes into yeah like fast forward and so yeah and then you just have like a bunch of beats what feels like a bunch of beats to get through so it's like you had this great first half set up with some you know actual emotionality and even if it wasn't

feeling as dramatic as the 2010 one it was still anchored by this this lead actor playing lee who was really charming and i am i'm bummed for him because he's so good and he clearly has the skills and i wish that this movie had maybe just gotten out of its own way and allowed itself like honestly in a way i wouldn't have been upset if this was structurally very similar to previous movies because the 2010 Karate Kid earned a lot from me just by being like a compelling story about characters that I liked and wanted to see prevail and triumph

and this tonally like almost commits to that in the first half like I could easily see a different version of this working that much better where the Five Burroughs doesn't feel like a thing we just requisite have to do like once you get to the Five Burroughs we're moving right through that where they're like you've seen fight brackets before we all just watch cobra kai maybe we didn't you know uh so yeah like so many great parts and it makes me wonder what happened here because there are times especially in the second half where it feels like did they again speed this up uh you know or did they cut this down it kind of felt like they had an original movie that was the first two acts but then they're like oh we got to sell tickets so we got to get mr hon and we got to get uh yeah danell russo in here so because people aren't going to buy something they rewrote the ending to include them when I don't feel like the movie needed it because I feel like the strongest parts of the movie was the relationship between Lee and the dad and Lee and the daughter and I feel like if that was the movie about him training the dad and then we're also

having his own struggles with with grief and loss and then we're connecting to the daughter and their whole thing I think it would have been a much stronger movie yeah absolutely and I think that's it they I don't know if they felt that was strong enough marketing I don't have the confidence to really trust that was yeah and I mean like the karate kid name That's going to sell, but without Mr. Hahn and without Daniel, is that going to sell enough? Like, this relationship and this storyline, I think it was really good. I just wanted it to finish off strong with that, with that, because I think that was really emotionally compelling for me. Yeah, it's kind of ironic.

The thing that they sold it on was the weakest part of the movie. It didn't feel, it didn't feel natural. Well, yeah, it overtakes. Yeah, it just feels force. It overtakes what feels like just a naturally flowing movie. Yeah. And I could imagine, like, thinking back on this right now, I'm like, I could totally see a version where the whole hook is, okay, I'm in this new place, I make this friend, her dad's an ex-fighter, this is my segue into, I'm not fighting, I'm just training, I'm using my own techniques and what I've learned in Hong Kong or Beijing, and reaching a point, and you could do it around the same time where, you know, what's his name, Victor, loses the fight, and then he realizes. and maybe he gets his ass handed to him by Connor to, and then maybe he realizes, okay, I thought I was further along than I am, or at least I've gotten myself to a place where my current level of training is no longer enough.

Now I need to go back to my sense and get, or my, you know, Shifu, and get some new guidance, get some new, you know, mentorship to help me through this, get some emotional reassurance or unpacking of something or other. like you could have really done a lot of the same beats in a much more thoughtful way if you kind of did it like that and like i like the idea of having both him and danny there but it does feel like when han departs to california it does feel like we're in just a different movie yeah he goes to see daniel aruso and i'm like oh this feels like you you like two guys carrying cans of film like bumped into each other and they jumbled the cans up and then all of a sudden we're here in LA and and like yeah it's

I feel like there could have been maybe not easily but I think they could have done something way more graceful without a lot of additional effort or retooling. Yeah because there's a lot of great stuff in here. Yeah and like all the pieces work it's just weird it's like we didn't need them

yeah it really didn't need them as happy as we were to have them here and I didn't need them and as much as it's like yeah it's Karate Kid we've done this million times doesn't really matter i for the again danie laruso feels like oh he's just he's back from cobra kai he's just a year he's danny and then mr hon i'm like different fucking i get yeah it's like i can get how like over 15 years your vibe has changed some but i don't feel like any he was a handyman in the last one and now he's running like a country after that win with jaden I don't know.

Inspired, man. It's not about the choices. It's just about how they're played. It's like early on. I was like, okay, cool. He's got his own school. Great. But like the further on we get,

I'm like, I don't feel like you're in touch with like the core fundamental philosophies of your kung fu that you were teaching in the previous movie. Like, I don't begrudge the character some humor and I don't begrudge

the character, you know, having more fun now that he is, you know, move past some trauma. But yeah. It did remember. It doesn't feel like anything of the same guy. Or, you know, what if he connected his own loss of his daughter and his wife to his loss of his brother? Sure, absolutely.

Like, ah. There is a lot of emotional, dramatic stuff that they could have mind that was interesting at the setup. And too, with the mom. Like, that's a bummer too because Ming Na Wen, great actress. She's been on the scene for ages. And she's done action, too. Like, she's mom. I get it.

She's probably not going to fight in this. She's Chun Lee, bro. Yeah. But, like, at the same. time i'm like damn she's got talent like it would be cool to see her maybe in a context to use some of that in this world but even that stuff aside just you know the whole like go kick his ass you know like are you fighting like again we don't need to spend forever on that because i get it it's it's it is a requisite kind of plot line but it would have been nice to like get some

personal time on screen between the two of them it's not just them feeling distant from each other at least mr han remembered the jacket on and off he That's the only reference to the 2010 movie. We got that continuity. Let's see. Let's move on to another one. A lot of these, partly too. We spent a lot of time on your question because yours is the most directly tied into this particular film.

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and my least favorite has to be the fourth one with Hillary Swank. The Next Karate Kid with Hilary Swank is by far the best. It's the staple in the Karate Kid universe. I'm going with Next Karate Kid. Yes, of course. How would I rank them? I guess we're including this one and the 2010 version. oh boy i would go you guys are definitely going to have a different ranking than me again it's been

a while it's been a few years since i watched the 2010 i would go one i would i would go karate kid 84 karate kid two karate kid 2010 karate kid uh i'm still going to go part three even though i i there's some really emotionally compelling really good stuff in this movie so i'll go 84 I'll go Karate Kid Part 2 I'll go Karate Kid

2010 then I'll go Karate Kid 3 even though this is probably a better move in that but I'm still going 3 and then I'll go with

this movie Legends and then I will go with next Karate Kid Hmm Okay It's not next Karate Kid that bad That bad Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

it's a movie it's a movie it exists mr miagi's in it that's the part i enjoy the most oh my god i can't rank them as uh well you haven't seen next karate kid right true i think i've you don't want to be honest i think i've only seen each karate kid once i don't remember them that well so i mean that's definitely something i could react if anyone wanted to see that but i don't yeah i don't remember them super well but something i did just look up as we're talking a cobra guy is my favorite Um, this is the shortest karate kid. It's, I would, I was gonna say, I think our review is longer than the movie. Every other one has to have been at least an hour and 40 minutes.

Because the original Karate Kid in 84, it was two hours and six minutes. Yeah, that makes sense. And the 2010 one is two hours and 20 minutes. Yeah. Oh, that one, yeah, it was substantial. Like, I am surprised they really, really kept this tight. I'd be curious to know how many deleted scenes are in this or if, you know, I don't know. Karate Kid 2 is 153.

Crotid 3 is 152. And the next Karate Kid is 147. That movie. The 147 feels like four hours. Oh, no. So it's the opposite. That one's too slow and this one's too fast. That should have been 25 minutes of that.

I mean, yeah, like I feel like you will have the most like confident ranking. I feel like for me it's a combination of like one, two, and 2010 are at the top three somewhere, or some configuration depending on my mood that day and then yeah uh this and legends can grapple in the second bottom tier and then i guess next karate can i have i have the least recollection of the next it's got michael ironside so you know there's redeeming quality in that too and it's called walter hogg is it why didn't uh ralph machia i return for that one oh what is it what's it in walter hogg is that his name you're not walter ha what i forgot his name i forgot his Finish the guess.

Isn't it Walter Huggins? Hagen? Maybe. Isn't that the actor's name, though? I am not sure. Walton Gagins. Well, is that his name? I don't know.

God, I got to look it up now because I'm going to hear that. So, wait, why do they switch the karate kids with the next karate kid? Why didn't Lursoe come back? I think, I don't remember. Because of woke. Yeah, I just think. 90s, 80s, wokenness. Sorry, Walton Gawkins.

My bad. Oh, it was right. Yeah, my bad. He was the next Karate Kid. Was he really? Wow. A very young, Walton, Walton. Wow.

I knew I was saying it wrong. You know me. I always mispronounced names. I said it and I was kidding. I've accepted it. I will always mispronounce names. All right. Anna Karen, thank you for your question and or comment as well.

Before Cobra Kai for y'all, who was the best villain from the Karate Kid movies? Terry. Silver, baby, yeah. I love him. He's so much fun, sorry. And did it change after gober guy? No, Terry Silver. Best film.

Best film. I love Terry. He's so much fun. Like, Karate Kid Part 3. Johnny, baby. Yeah, but. That's not a bad call. Yeah, no, Johnny's fine.

But, like, Terry Silver, like, you can make an argument as a singular film. It's not the greatest movie Karate Kid Part 3, although I think it is very memorable. He is so much fun in that movie. But then when you watch season 3. three of kobra kai i think that movie adds so much weight and gravitas to like for instance the relationship between crease and silver and just gives that film a whole new meaning but as a singular film again not the greatest film i still have a lot of fun with it but the biggest reason being not only mr miagi but because of terry silver yeah he is just so damn fun in that movie and he

his performance is so mesmerizing as well so i would say terry silver for me and after kovir kovir Terry Silver. You didn't say Mike Barnes? It's messed up. Yeah, my bad. The bad boy of karate. My bad. I'm going chosen just because he's got a lot of chosen.

He's good, too. I mean, Terry Silver, obviously iconic, Thomas Ian Griffith, terrific performer. You know, the long legacy of go villains in Karate Kid, but... Can I ask for one, Cobra Kai, spoiler? Yes. I don't want to give... You can ask. You can not necessarily answer.

Does Hillary Swank show up? I didn't... she either does or she doesn't okay very diplomatic answer don't put that in the comments guys if she does or she doesn't please okay um yeah i don't know if that i mean well after cobra kai i guess i would certainly say terry silver just because again of his elevated role beyond uh you know

and i guess well it's weird because like it's about the context it's like if you want ultimate villainy like yeah terry silver um you know crease obviously great character too I love Chosen, and I guess I would partly say, you know, after Cobra Kai, he would be my favorite just because of what Cobra Kai adds to the context of Part 2. But, you know, again, a lot of good choices out there. Actually, maybe who's that guy? Who's that guy? He's the best villain.

Oh, Kyler? Kyle was pretty good in season one and had a nice, well, I won't say anything. All right. Adriana Marie, aka AD, if you could choose. two cinema martial arts fighters for an ultimate all-time match past your present who would it be personally I'd like to see a younger

Jason Statham versus a younger Jacket Chan that would be a cool ass matchup okay I thought we were going with actual characters I know we were going with actors I mean I think you can do whatever you want I was gonna I was gonna say Frank Dukes or something

two martial artists to go at it huh I'm going to go with Jackie Chan's Rumble in the Bronx character versus Chun Lee from Bloodsport. Let's go. I want to see that fight. Okay. I want to see a through-way fight between Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, and Jetli.

Ooh, there you go. There you go. Let's go. Cynthia Rothrock and Michelle Yo. I mean, that would be cool, actually. Golly, two cinema martial arts fighters for an ultimate all-time matchup. ooh maybe try one of those guys from the raid oh that would be good against like that's bruce lee

in his prime or something like that any of those guys versus stephen segal oh my god chuck norris there we go chuck norris no way anyone's beating him yeah uh oh my goodness i feel like there are other i want to hear y'all's uh responses to that actually i'm going to change my answer i'm going to say Arnold in his prime versus Alan. Is he a martial artist? Okay. Yeah.

That's fun. Is Arnold a martial artist? I don't think so. I'm just saying, okay, maybe Reacher versus one of Arnold's strong characters. Sure. You know, I'm sure he's practiced a martial art. All fighting in some capacity. I'll go Neo versus Donnie Yen's character in, what's...

Donnie Yen? No, no, no. What's the Donnie N films that... Hitman. It man. Thank you. Oh, my God. There you go.

Okay. Yeah, let's do It Man versus one of the Ray guys or the guy from Jackie Chan's Who Am I who plays like the Dutch dude with the crazy like there's a fight

he has with this one guy who I think is on his stunt team who he's got like an earring and he has like these crazy double jointed legs so he's doing all these crazy kicks and shit anyway that's a super salons of fighters

I'd love to see some thoughts from you guys on those. All the teenage mutant ninja turtles against all the samurai pizza cats. Jay Rushden, I believe, our last patron cue of the day. Okay. Thank you, Jay. What's your favorite martial arts weapon? Examples, katana, staff, nunchucks, sigh, tiger claw, shiriken, chowtrops, or the most deadly weapon in the world, bored with nails,

which is Kill Bill Part 1 reference to board. with names. Do I get to go with stuffed pizza or stuff crust? Is that kind of? Found objects. Jackie Chan's style. I'll do, well,

Leonardo was my favorite Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So, what do you have? The katanas, right? I'll go with the katanas. Leonardo is the swords man. Yeah. I'll go with the katanas.

He's my favorite. Because Raphael's the side. Best leader ever. Yeah, Leonardo's the cadanas. Raphael's the size. Michelangelo is the nunshut. and then Donatello is the The Boastaf.

Tossed up between Nunchucks, the size, and these hands. Oh. Those hands are definitely weapons. I am going to say, I mean, I can use a Boastaf, so I got a soft spot on the card

for Boastiff. I want a medal once. We need to see some Boat Sapp action. Should we have John do a reaction with the Boast? Years ago. Yes. Marshall Arts training reaction. Let's get social media John with John using the Bo Staff. Let's go. I'm going to say.

I John Wick Chapter 4 delighted me because I had been waiting for so long to see a movie

I'm sure it happens more in Hong Kong cinema in martial arts cinema from elsewhere in the world but a lot of the stuff we see here

Nunchucks are relegated to being the thing people pull out do some tricky shit with and then they either hit themselves in the

face or the balls and I'm really sick of it and so when you see like an actual honest to goodness Nunchuk fight where people are just fighting and there's no comedy and it's not silly that's

freaking bad at it. Watch drag in justice for Nunchukes. Watch drag in the Bruce Lee story. I thought Nunchukes were used well in the climactic fight. I'm looking forward to that then. I was going to say I mean there or it is always very striking in cinema whenever anybody does a fight with

either like some kind of Kunei at the end of a rope or one of those weapons that is rope based. I think those are always both cinematic, but also just kind of like in the fluid motion of like you're wrapping things up and you're using the length and the tautness of like that's all very fascinating and cool. Yeah, I like those two. It's like this one version of it. It's like straight with a point and there's like a hook at the end as well. I can't remember what it's called.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wheel like two of them at a time and they got to like they almost look like that shit that you climb mountains with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's like the weapon version. That's cool. Comment below if you know what those are called. I know your time. Unless they were listed in here and we just don't know the name.

Maybe that's, uh, um, I don't know. It's none of these. I was going to say, I know what caltrops are and it's not those, you know, it's not, is it the tiger claw? Maybe. Could be. All right, gang. Could be. Anybody out there, feel free to comment your thoughts on any of these questions.

from our lovely royal rejects. Oh my God, the Tiger Claw is badass. It's like brass knuckles, but with claws. That's what I was hell. Feel free to chime in. Boys, any other stray thoughts on the film? Again, there's a lot of really good stuff in here. As we pointed out earlier, I would have liked

if they just focused more, as happy as I was to see Jackie Chan and Ralph Mott show, which I thought their performances was fine. I just don't know if it fit into the flow of the story or if they really belonged in the film. and that scene at the very end with Johnny just made me so happy he's my favorite character in Cobra Guy

so I mean, grand to grin like we talked about earlier but I really would have loved if they let the film breathe a little bit because there was a lot of great stuff in here and focused a little more on that you could have made again the whole film be about that because there was some really good dramatic stuff

and the emotional compelling stuff in regards to Lee and I like Lee as a character I really was not it's funny when Greg and I did the trail reaction I don't remember if I actually said it Maybe I kept it held with him But I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about him And he was one of the strong vocal points Like that I felt towards this film

So like, and I thought his performance was great So him and the daughter and Victor Joshua Jackson Yeah, we're the best character Yeah I just wish that would have just been the whole focus of the film And I understand you know As a studio why you'd want

Daniel in the film and why you'd want Mr. Trump But it's got to fit in narratively It's got to be organic if you're going to do that. If this was me, I would have sold this as like, oh, man, this karate kid is or kung fu, whatever, is, you know, he's the master now. And, you know, that's, it's a different context instead of a kid rising the ranks and distinguishing himself through karate kung fu. This kid's already using what he knows and needs to learn more. And then you surprise people when they get to the theater or in like trailer three with like, oh my God, he calls up Jackie Chan. What?

you know like yeah i would have done some like that yeah that should have been like the the secret twist not the hook to get people in the theater right um yeah i just wish the whether the the writing or the or the studio i wish there was they had more confidence in the story that they initially had set out to tell and trust that it was strong enough and it was good enough to want people to invest in this story because the lead deserved better The supporting characters are better. Even though I like the actor who played his friend, I just felt like that relationship wasn't strong enough.

I didn't really get why they were friends. That shit happened off-screen too. I like that relationship. I wanted to see it develop more. They were studying and they were chilling up to the shop. And I guess he was just, they were just homie now. Their relationship and their chemistry was good. Just I wanted to actually see it develop more.

Maybe give some more screen time to those two so we can feel that more. Yeah, that worked off almost solely. off of the appeal of the two actors which pops to them like again this is one of those movies where I feel like there is a lot of good in here and it's well made like it looks nice it's well shot for the most

part it's got some punch in terms of the action and all that stuff the Jackie Chan choreography team there's an appealing soundtrack and again all these great little familiar flavors and just like you know the whole New York vibe is is kicking for a lot of it

but yeah it's one of those movies where like, because there are some basic and fundamental ways where it very clearly could be better finessed and better fleshed out, you know, it's just, it's one of those where you're like, it's all right, but like the things that don't work are so kind of apparent and you're like, but here's how it could have been great. Here's how this thing that's all right could have been great. Yeah, the ingredients for Veronica legends. The ingredients were there to be great for sure.

Release the whatever this director's name is cut. Release the two-hour cut. Really, really quick before we get out of here, I want one at a time. What was the critic score on Rotten Tomatoes? Oh, God. 57. 65. 59.

Oh, okay. All right. So, audience score. Oh, boy. 62. 70. 91. Really?

Really? They loved it. Okay. People were happy. They really loved it. I mean, why not? It was fun. It wasn't bad by any means.

It was just quick. Yeah, I actually nailed this one. What was the budget of the film? Oh, yeah. I remember you saying this. I didn't say the, I just said, I nailed the budget. You said, you nailed the budget. Oh, 90 million dollars.

$30 million. $45 million. Oh. I guess I really highballed that. I was like, well. I guess only Jackie Chan could really be that pricey, and he's probably not like $50 million to get him in your movies. So, yeah, that was, I beefed that one.

And how about worldwide box office? Worldwide. We are combining domestic and international. Did this release in China? I'm going to guess it did. If it felt like that changes the answer. It just gives me both domestic and international. It's got to have.

It's got to have. I don't think this movie did pretty well, very well, because it's already on streaming. So I'm going to say, wait, hold on. When was it released on theaters? I don't remember. It's been a minute. Has it been 45 days?

I think it has been at least 45 days. Is it 60 is when, like, if you know it's been really doing well? I mean, Sanders came out in April, and that's still in theaters. Oh, I see. So this is not, so this is not in theaters anymore. I don't think so. 45 days. is about the range of time

that is standard where you don't need to go like oh damn they rush this out they must really be desperate you know yeah don't you sorry really quick for you answer don't you remember growing up when movies used to take like six to eight months

just to hit VHS it felt like three years I would like holy crap I would forget about movies until they came back out on video and I was like oh shit that's right I saw that obviously for what we do it's like good for reactions and all

but it was like when movies finally came out it was like such a special time yeah no no Yeah, all right, sorry, worldwide. Go ahead, guys. 90 million. I'm going to guess, 65 million? 90 and 65.

Yeah. 103 million. Okay. 90 million. Good job, John. I got there. All right. Got there.

My original guess was 100 million. I stuck with my gut. Should have went with your gut, Aaron. Should have gone with that gut. Well, gang, we did it. We went back to the dojo for some more tutelage, mentorship, household chores and things like that. Man, when he's training him on the pizza,

I was like, this is so lovely. Oh, I know. I was like, when he was, I was like, I'm so into this. Did they even kiss at that? They did, they did. Yeah, they did when he won the tournament. They kissed it to the arm. No, but I actually genuinely remember one.

That's right, because he's got his hand there. When he was training Victor, I remember all three of us were like, holy crap, I'm really into this. We're all really into this. I just want to know what happened. Because, yeah, that first act of the movie, I was like, great. I wonder if it was. I wonder if it was a studio mandator

if that was the selling point the hook to get them like, hey, we're gonna have Daniel Mr. Han in this movie. And they announced the movie with Daniel and Mr. Hahn. Yeah, they're like, we're going on a casting search

to find the next karate kid. Right, right. So it's weird. I was happy to have them. It's just like I wish that you kept your focus on that rather than letting the both of them just overtake him for the second after.

But yes, this was an interesting journey. Definitely a lot of fun. Like our review, I think, has been heavily erred toward the criticisms which again are pretty obvious but like generally speaking this was fun and i think the only bummer is that you just you've seen how karate kid can be much greater in the past uh and so yeah but this was a nice time nonetheless i'm glad we joined up i'm glad we watched

it and now i want to hear y'all's thoughts gang is there anything else to say before we get out of here release the release the end whistle cut yeah i want some stuffed crust right right now that's right we're going to get some stuff crust let's know i want to go to miagi dough and insino me the whole movie's worth it for that leave your miagi dough pizza topic like you know if the miagi dough had a specialty pizza menu with cool named pizzas what would they be leave it in the comments catch you on the next one much love and uh wax off You like the Utile Numeric?

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