The Reel Rejects - KRAVEN THE HUNTER (2024) MOVIE REVIEW!! As Bad As Everyone Says?!
Episode Date: January 15, 2025MARVEL'S KRAVEN'S FIRST...And Last Hunt. Kraven The Hunter Full Reaction Watch Along: https://www.patreon.com/thereelrejects Follow Us On Socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects.../ Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thereelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/thereelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Marvel's Kraven's First & Last Hunt in Kraven The Hunter Reaction, Recap, Commentary, Breakdown, Spoiler Review, & Ending Explained! Greg Alba, Aaron Alexander, and Andrew Gordon from Cinepals team up for an epic reaction to Kraven The Hunter (2025), the latest installment in Sony's Spider-Man Universe! Starring Aaron Taylor-Johnson (Kick-Ass, Bullet Train) as Sergei Kravinoff/Kraven the Hunter, the film also features Ariana DeBose (West Side Story) as Calypso, Russell Crowe (Gladiator) as Kraven’s father, Alessandro Nivola (The Many Saints of Newark) as Rhino, and Fred Hechinger (White Lotus) as Dmitri Smerdyakov/Chameleon. The film highlights iconic Marvel comic book characters, including Rhino, Calypso, Chameleon, and teases ties to Spider-Man's vast rogues' gallery. They react to the most thrilling scenes, including Kraven’s intense hunts, dramatic confrontations, and the jaw-dropping ending that sets up the future of the Sony Spider-Man Universe. Sony Spider-Man Universe Movies: Venom, Venom: Let There Be Carnage, Morbius, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse, and Madame Web. Follow Andrew Gordon on Socials: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MovieSource Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/agor711/?hl=en Twitter: https://twitter.com/Agor711 Follow Coy Jandreau: Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@coyjandreau?l... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coyjandreau/?hl=en Twitter: https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYH2szDTuU9ImFZ9gBRH8w Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Music Used In Manscaped Ad: Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM: FB: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Gentlemen, you ready to go on Craven's final hunt being his first hunt?
Yeah, and we are watching this on Amazon Prime, by the way, people.
Yes, a place to buy VOD stuff. Let's do it.
It's sad.
I really feel like that movie
actually had a lot of potential.
I feel like I kept giving it a chance
the whole time.
I'm like you two bozos.
I just kept conversing
the whole time.
I just felt like I really
I feel like you're genuinely disappointed.
I am.
Raven the Hunter, however, got the short shrift
since the film does not have a post crib,
but it doesn't have a mid.
Does it have a mid?
Let me see.
I really tried.
you did
I guess they don't get a
scene together again
I mean obviously yeah
the movie's over
I'm not seeing
I would fast forward
just to double check
but I'm not seeing
all right
well
no
they're like
Sony's like
I wanted to see a flashback
of Calypso
and archery camp
all right ladies and gentlemen
we just watched
Craven the Hunter
well
I really felt like
I was giving it a shot
personally
I was having fun.
I was having fun with the action sequences.
I was really trying to, like, really give it a shot sincerely the whole time.
And, yeah, I actually feel like, I don't know.
I was kind of hoping that I would walk away from this with a bit of a different opinion than.
I just feel like it's so easy to, like, hear everyone bagging on it and stuff.
and that it did you just kind of go and looking for negatives and I didn't feel like I was doing that really
or nor was I beer being like I don't know what everyone's problem is if I don't like this or me going like
oh I can see I actually found myself transcended to my own thought process and not even really
thinking about what other people were saying pretty quick and I did find myself going oh but
this must be what everyone felt I was I did find myself like genuinely disappointed and disappointed
in the sense because I could really see all the pieces that were I do see a version that could have worked and I ultimately felt like it became sort of a vacant experience by the end of it like the first 40 minutes I was like you know what this is kind of fun um first nine it felt like a bit of a 90s flare I think Aaron Taylor Johnson's a very charismatic actor
and while the relationship with the brothers i felt like they leaned more into this whole thing with
the cravenoffs more being an actual centerpiece instead of i'm not sure what they really did
it's it's kind of it's kind of like a lot of things happened but nothing really that big happened
and yet it just feels like a bland dish or something.
I'm not really sure what it is.
Like, ah, this should be appetizing, but it wasn't.
It was a bit tasteless.
It was a bit tasteless and not a, I think, like, the one of the worst feelings you can lead with, land with is like,
oh, I don't really have like a strong feeling about anything other than the fact that I was legit disappointed.
I've been disappointed by the fact that it didn't even remain fun or fun bad or fun cheesy, fun corny. I was finding like fun cheesy and fun corny in the first 40 minutes. And then it just stayed. Then I just started becoming like a slog and like dour in ways that are not intentional. But hey, hey, I should have just prepared myself better.
I had fun.
Aaron, we're having fun. Aaron, we're having fun.
We're having fun.
I don't think it was like the best movie in the world.
What?
But, you know, I think Aaron Taylor Johnson, he was fun to follow.
I thought Russell Crow did a great job with his accent.
I feel like he was actually putting some stuff in, even though his, not his accent, his lines were a little repetitive.
There are some fun acting choices with the rhino there with his little and then then make him like him a CGI rhino.
I don't know.
I think the action scenes, I could, that's one of the few things I can go back and, like, watch.
I feel like they took advantage of their R rating in that department.
But as far as the, uh, the story go and the flow of the story, it did kind of ring hollow.
It kind of felt like it is weird.
It felt like a video game movie in the sense that it was trying to tell the entirety of the video game, but in like a two hour setting.
And I feel like a, uh, like a naughty dog narrative based video game where he's like going off and like doing these different things actually
tackling the list plot having his brother taken having to go and save his brother while dealing
with the father stuff like a narrative interactive thing is what this kind of felt like it should
have been and that would have been a fun story to play you know then getting the craving
upgrades as he gets like to different uh animal power is and i felt like there was just yeah it kind
of was a little disappointing on that front but i cannot i can genuinely say i didn't hate watching
the movie yeah i will say that did it ring a little hollow sure but i can i can
I could definitely, like, put this on and just be like, yeah, this is, you know, talk with
my friends, how it's wrong in the background.
It's like, it's one of those, like, TV comfort movies.
Yeah.
It's kind of how I felt about it.
It wasn't, I was an awful experience.
This isn't, this is a movie I would walk out of.
Yeah.
This is one I could watch with my friends.
Just like, okay, yeah, we got, we got to at least check this out because, like,
look at some of this stuff.
This is kind of, this is kind of fun.
It's kind of goofy.
Yeah.
And to your point, too, like, you, you try to have a video game story in like two hours,
like, you're not going to get the complete thing.
So, I mean, yeah.
just don't pay attention to
hello hey can you guys hear me now
yeah no like to your point you
try to have I mean I'm playing
the last of us right now and if that's condensed
down to two hours that's you're not going to get
the complete thing there so I can
hear and understand and agree with what you are saying
I mean I agree with you
one I definitely had there were times
in the movie where I was having a lot of fun and I was being
entertained as Russell Crow would
say and you know
the action sequences I found there was
a lot of creative bits in there and I love
how gory and violent this film is.
I think that's appropriate for a character like Craven.
So I definitely liked all the action sequences.
And I do like the differences.
Granted, you know,
Craven is usually the hunter of animals and just anything he feels that is worthy of being
his prey.
I did like the shift in difference that they went with on this where like now he's
protecting animals.
And,
you know,
they kind of after about the 30 or 40 minute mark,
like he was going after the list and then they kind of just like,
sideline that for this whole
rescuing his brother and it just
like you guys said rank out of hollow
and just like every it's just a lot of times
like things just fell to the wayside
and just there were a lot of side plots
that just didn't develop and I think that was
that's the main word I would
use to describe this film is underdeveloped.
Yeah, they didn't really have
focus because you would think that
you know Craven and clips of a relationship
in the comments. I was just about to say that
that was my biggest just like I actually
there were parts of this where I really enjoyed the relationship between
Dimitri and Sergei, like I could resonate and understand like a father who doesn't show them
love, you know, what they feel internally with each other, that they, and obviously, you know,
what happened with their mother and all that. And that stuff like I resonated with and
appreciated and I could feel the emotional depth there and that stuff. And also too,
just how their father treated them. Like I could understand that and how he felt abandoned by
his brother, although he kind of was very forgiving of his brother for abandoning. And was like,
oh, you're totally cool with him leaving you
and then everything's cool.
I'm like, okay, I don't know
with the passage of time and forgiveness and all,
whatever, okay, cool.
But the relationship between
Calypso and
Craven, like that's a very powerful,
meaningful relationship in the comics,
the animated series,
the video games, all that stuff.
And I just didn't like it in this at all.
It was just, again, very underdeveloped.
I was not,
I've never seen this actress.
She could be a fantastic actress.
I don't know.
I thought a lot of her lines of dialogue and delivery were very wooden.
I was not believing anything that she was,
a lot of lines that she was saying.
A lot of stuff was completely predictable.
And like you have the thing with her holding the cross bro and saying,
I went to archery.
I'm like, okay.
So stuff like that.
And just again,
how you have this whole supernatural bit that you started off with,
which I like.
That was like, okay, cool.
We're going to get into that.
and then getting wayside to the whole movie
and until the very end
which has got to save for him like
just a lot of things just felt so underdeveloped
but that was probably my most
disappointing thing was the relationship
between the two of them because again
that's a very deep and powerful relationship
in the comics so I wanted to see that
at least besides the action that was really great
I thought in this that was the most disappointing thing
for me yeah
I feel like you guys were able to have like
fun with it
um
that you guys
guys were like having a lot of banter and conversations and jokes and stuff when you were watching it
and I just I just wasn't there on the same page with you guys I felt like I probably shouldn't have
been here with you two I feel like I had a different experience than you guys clearly you haven't
watched movies with us yeah no I have not no probably never now now it's done but I think
Aaron Taylor Johnson did a committed job, I would say.
I think he was very committed.
And I see why he had hopes in the character.
Like physically, obviously, he really embodied him.
And I like the idea of what they were going for of a man who fancies himself to be opposite from his father and is a hero.
But what happens when you kill your father at the end?
What does that do to your psyche?
I actually, like, believed what his,
brother was saying to him at the end because he did ultimately kill his father and that would mess
you up badly regardless and the one thing about his father is as messed up as his father was he would
never kill craven he he loved his he loved his children regardless and even though
no matter how much betrayal there was or abandonment or neglect he never even even sticking people
on Craven
he knew his son was safe
though he knew his son would be killed
he would never directly kill him then
he got very close to dying quite a few times though
but I understand what you're saying I get it
yeah I would have liked to have explored
the complexities with their relationship
a little bit more you know find out
why he
they even like came back together you know what was his
response to him leaving in the first place yeah
it was too simplistic there was not a lot of depth
there was just more about you know
abandonment you're not a man you're
weak and it's like it's very simplistic i think even if they kept it simplistic but at least
strong in the simplicity even if they were just like like stay really expositional stay very
overt just be really strong in what you're doing like ham it up and instead and i think that's
the problem is like because they don't if you're going to be super simplistic ham it up embrace the
cheese but when they try to be like so serious well it like ruins the mood
I also think too, again, it's just my opinion, but I think it would have been strong too if
Dimitri would have had some animosity towards his brother for abandoning him and even said
to as he was abandoning him like, I'm, I can't believe you're abandoning me. And then like cut to
present day. He's like, hey, well, it's my birthday. Yeah. And I get it's his brother and he loves
him. It's like, yeah, we skipped a lot of stuff. What, what happened? Okay. Yeah, might have been
stronger choice if that was like Craven's first time seeing him, uh, since abandoned him or
something instead of like he checks in with him every year like okay yeah a little bit of a different
detail yeah why not or maybe part of the reason why he feels so strongly about rescuing him is because
he felt like he abandoned him yeah but you kept on saying yeah that would have been in a conflict
then yeah and there would have been purpose and you kept on saying too throughout the film like
i feel like they added this i feel like that and then i kept on thinking that in my head too like
stuff like that i'm like is this supposed to be here because did i miss something i mean even if
this was something that was the success i or like financial
I would be here being like
I can't believe he just kill off the rhino like that
he's a rhino in the last like two minutes
and they just killed off
and like this that's a definitive
Spider-Man feeling right there
just got killed off in the middle of the
of the wilderness here in Russia
was there were Russia in the end I don't even remember
yeah there were the Russian wilderness
yeah and I mean yeah the action's cool
and I like
I liked all I like the action
it was always fun to watch
but weirdly
by the time you got to the final action scene
I just
kind of felt nothing
I wasn't even like excited by the action
it was just
another thing that was happening
on screen
it's so like my soul
kind of leaving my body
the more of this movie
and like my father
it
I mean I'll yeah okay
if you want to do the comparisons
between all the Sony movies
I still feel like Morbius
is more entertaining than this movie
It's so easy.
Morrice is fun.
Morris is fun for what it is.
I think Moribis is actually fun.
I think the movie got a bad rap.
I'll have to check it out.
And I thought that was actually fun.
It's a little as much clearer and a plot.
Like honestly,
there's no real plot here for like another until like an hour end because it's just like
you're watching Craven's hunts people.
Okay, here's why he hunts people.
He's got a list.
But the real plot is his brother's kidnapped and he's got to go save him.
And that doesn't happen to like an hour until the movie.
that and i think a simple fixture would have been that happens early on in the movie maybe there's
some tension between him and and craven and and then throughout the journey they start unpacking
other things right along the journey they try to rescue him the plot the it's more than just a simple
a to be like it becomes like who kidnapped him why did they kidnap him and then you unpack all
these things and you unpack the whys and then bam you you you kind of have then you could probably
have like all these different moving pieces and whatever but i have anything like calypso like
it's just she's like such a weird convenience character that's in this movie like she's there to save
him and make him crave him i've got this project she's saved him three times and then she's the
perfect lawyer to be there for him here's random healing things here's the bow and the magic part of her
doesn't really come back i don't know the fact that she has the juice you know um and then they don't
even have like an ending note with her no yeah i was like wait did they end up
up together because I'm assuming they did, but I don't know.
She saved him, then she leaves.
You know, as, as, you know, of a, of a bland experience as this was, I will say that, you know,
I'd watch a second one.
I would, I would, you're not going to.
I feel like if they were to get, like, a stronger screenwriter, maybe a stronger director,
because I like the character that we introduced, even though I don't feel like I got to know
him very well, he's very much like, I'll kill bad guys, I'll kill criminals and I protect
animals. But I feel like if we would have, you know, deal with the setup what we got, the complexities
of him killing his father, maybe seeing his father's ghosts, maybe exploring his relationship
with his mother a little bit more and how that affects him going forward, explore his relationship
with his brother, explore his brother's insecurities as not feeling accepted and like seeing him
as like an insecure boss kind of try to live up to the shoes of his father. The whole thing with
the mother's mental illness that just kind of is nothing. And the thing with the spiders as well.
I was going to say you did learn that he's got a fear of spiders.
We did learn that in one scene.
We did.
They were obviously trying to set that up for.
Also, I like the foreigner.
I wish we would have not killed him off.
He was cool.
He was the cool.
I don't understand why his powers are the way they are.
I just like that actor.
You did great.
Yeah.
Or why he is.
Like, why they're fascinated.
But like the hunters like this big myth.
And I didn't really, I felt like they were telling me that, but I didn't really feel.
We didn't see it.
Like, does he affect the community in some way?
Does he, you know, do townspeople know of this guy or like criminals fear him?
Right, right.
Law enforcement doesn't seem interested at him.
Like, it just was there law enforcement in this movie?
No, no, there was not.
But I'm like, that's what I mean by, I think if they wanted to build the mythos of Craven.
Like, there's just so many things that I thought, uh, this movie really could have done it.
And I feel like they had like every actor seemed really committed.
Even Russell Crow to the extent of him having fun, he knew.
I think he really knew.
When he signs up for these movies,
he tends to know what genre he's signing up for.
I feel like Russell Crow is in this era of his career
where he just kind of having fun.
You know,
like Russell Crow having fun is still an actor
who's technically committed to what he's doing.
Maybe he's not doing like a much crazy character examination stuff.
He's not like Russell Crow and Gladiator anymore.
But he's still like got so much skill as a talent
that he knows how to,
he knows how to show up.
on set and have fun and let go and he's I really I think that's what becomes disappointing is when
you're like man there was a strong that and and I've also I think the thing too when it comes to
Sony is I don't think you blame the director or writers we've seen this happen with all these movies
is there's usually not their fault it's something to do with the crazy amount of direction
or retooling that the producers at Sony tend to do.
Like there's no way that just every freaking writer and director
for every one of these movies is bad.
And a lot of times you get like good talents and they end up bad.
It's these weird shifts that they make.
And weirdly enough, I actually thought this was probably the most
actually disappointing one to me out of them all.
And I don't know why.
I think as you feel it had the most, it had the most potential.
Potential possibly, maybe.
And that's the most potential
just be like a straightforward fun movie.
Right.
I don't need a good movie.
I don't need like a,
like there's a lot of ways
you could have made this a great movie,
but I think when you just drop the ball into boredom,
I think everyone prepared me very well
for Madam Webb is probably a boring film.
That it was.
And I don't think I was prepared
that this was a boring movie.
And I think it's better than Madam Webb,
but like a lot.
high accolates, Greg.
But then again, yeah.
Is that really a high bench to clear?
Absolutely not.
High accolates, yeah.
Should we read some trivia?
If you want to?
Sure.
Let's do it.
I've been waiting all night to read some trivia.
I know.
You've been having your phone there.
Just ready to.
Greg's going to like this one.
Aaron Taylor Johnson's six pack abs displayed prominently on the poster are real and not
photoshopped.
Photographer Gavin Bond, who took the original picture confirmed saying,
yes, those abs are real.
This young man put in some serious.
hours at the gym good i mean obvious well 300 apparently those weren't those that a trivia that's
trivia that's trivia that the lead actor no superhero movie got cut the first marvel movie from
sony to be released with an r rating okay we knew this Aaron taylor johnson was considered to play
spider man in the amazing spider man and russell crow was considered to play wolverine and x-men i think we knew
Wolverine one. I didn't know about him and Spider-Man. I did not know about him and Spider-Man.
There are no mid or post-credit scene. We did learn that the hard way. Cody Smith, McPhee, was
offered the part of a chameleon, but had to decline due to a scheduling conflict. I thought the
brother scenes were actually good. Yeah, no, I said, especially the first scene, when they're first
at the restaurant talking with each other, I really bought them as brothers. And I thought that's
when they had two good actors who didn't know how to play off each other. And,
I forget a lot of the chameleon backstory, but I did like, I found myself actually, if there's
any character I rooted for and I actually had an arc, granted, they kind of slingshot at him at the very
end there.
Him as a character was a little bit more interesting than everyone else.
As like a genuine character, he was because he's the brother who is constantly shunned
by the dad, no matter what he does.
He feels weak.
He doesn't feel like he lives up to anyone.
you know, expectations, let alone his himself and this idea of being able to impersonate
others because he doesn't feel like he doesn't have a good image of his own self.
I thought it was a really interesting aspect and the fact that he had Craven still looking after
him still being kind of babyed even though he's not in the picture anymore. I thought there was a lot
of strong. I thought them as characters knew what they were, they knew what they were doing.
makes sense he's insecure as himself just based on all his interactions with his father and what his father expects him to be so now he wants to be someone else so it makes
comfortable in his own skin that's why he gets an operation to change into other people yeah yeah yeah do you say it was an operation or i mean it sounds like it sounds like a rhino god and he got yeah okay
and that the idea too of rhino being a body horror thing idea wise is cool execution wise how they did it kind of amounted to oh we need a villain
at the you know all right i really prefer the amazing spider-man two version of right now do you yeah i'm
sorry i'm so fun i don't know whatever i'm not i don't know if i can meet you there i'm not i'm not
even responding i i i love pa i love paul giamati but i will not depend any of that i'm not saying
anything to that sorry i don't think paul giamati took it seriously at all no no no he panned it up like
i don't think you saw the first one i don't think you realized what
He was like, no, this is the serious Spider-Man movie.
This is not the Sam Ramey one, which are people take seriously.
But that would have worked more for the Sam Ramey ones.
I suppose so.
I don't know.
A thousand percent would have.
I got green goblin that first one.
Yeah, but I still think even that was more.
Whatever.
This is a conversation for another time.
Anyways.
It's over a grace and the third one.
Don't even remind me of that.
When Sir, last one, when Serge is carried off by the lion, his hand falls and passes
slowly through wheat stalks.
This is a visual and subtle nod to the famous scene.
gladiator yeah oh was wow i said it yeah i thought it was this joke i actually was when you said
that it was like you know what kind of yeah yep you were called it greg the caly
yeah this this was a this this was a flat film and a terrible way for sony to go out well they're
rebooting they're rebooting their sony verse but i think that isn't that what they said here
they're taking they're taking a break from making the sony movies they're just going to focus on what
they have in production like spider noir across beyond the spider verse and then i think they have
Yeah, but they said they want to take a break and then they'd like to reboot the Sonyverse with their own version of Spider-Man separate from Tom Holland.
I hope James Gunn inspires them by like actually having completed scripts and then finishing it rather than trying to meet a deadline.
But I think they have to create a thing every five years in order to keep the IP of Spider-Man.
So we'll see.
Maybe they'll take some time to work on some scripts in the meantime.
What does it have a run tomato?
The audience scorewise.
Oh, do you want to guess?
Oh, yeah.
This is the fun game.
I'll let you guess.
I feel like this one.
I thought this one was in the higher.
No,
I mean,
I feel like I've seen it.
Well,
I'll let you guys guess.
I thought it was in the 70s,
which was like pretty high for this.
What do you guys?
What do you are you guys?
I think critics there was like two.
I'm going to guess.
I'm going to guess.
Hold on.
Hold on.
It might have been like 10%.
All right.
I got,
I got audience and I have critics.
What do you guys want?
I'm going to guess 35 for audience.
I'm going to guess 14.
Wait,
wait,
where are we doing,
audience or critics?
We're going to go audience first.
I'm going to go 35 for audience.
I'm not 75 for audience are we he's one percent off oh really 74 what yeah that's
critics I'm gonna go the same I go 12 what's you 12 and what's yours 35 16
yeah okay Greg's got the the pulse for this film I've got the radar it's because like I
when I went to New York my cousin who literally works on the docks like he's like such a New Yorker
like i'm a new yorker
everything about a very new yorker like he's
a super new yorker guy
and he's like oh i saw
Craven that's a good one
like you really like just a dude
who saw he's like I really like that one
and so I can see
how this appeals because
it is just like a
dad movie it's kind of like
a dad cable movie
oh for sure you know this is the epitome of a
cable movie yeah it is like
a movie that was just made to only be seen
on cable, you know? Like, not like HBO cable, like TNT or something. You know, USA Network.
No, I agree with that. And I think edit the crap out of it to make it TV accessible. I think
I agree with that. And I think Aaron, too, says it right, you just turn it on at home, put it in the
background, just chill with friends while you watch it. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Let's turn on craving the
hunter guys. Just talk and just watch the action scenes. All right. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for
being here.
What did you guys think about Craven
the Hunter? Should we get a sequel?
No.
Craig's like, hell no. I'd be down.
I just don't get why this guy would fight Spider-Man.
Is he stupid?
He's a real spider.
Spider-Man's going to go after his brother.
I was thinking that throughout the film was like
his kind of mission in code is he only really
fights people that are going after
animals. What did, what would
the reason be for playing Spider-Man will be going after
chameleon he wants to protect chameleon and that's what
their conflict would be about. Hey you actually
weirdly I mean
that I guess
that would make the most that would
I guess that would make the most sense
if you're going to work
with this yeah yeah it would
yeah but unfortunately
the box office of this film is not going to allow
that I really thought the movie they set up
was a very was a much more
interesting plot of
Like, oh man, because I believe that that's the thing.
I really believe Craven really cares about his brother.
And if there's one emotional thing this movie sold me on, it's that that he really cares about his brother and that he wouldn't want to kill his brother.
For sure.
And so, yeah.
And actually, that's a plot that would work.
And actually really quick, too, that would give him an interesting moral dilemma because he knows his brother is causing evil out there, which goes against his code.
He knows this guy, Spider-Man, is fighting against his family.
It's like, hey, I got to protect my family.
But also, too, he's not a bad guy.
And my brother is being a bad guy.
So, like, it's an interesting moral dilemma for, like, that's actually a plot.
I feel like it would be black suit Spider-Man to have to fight Craven.
Probably.
Yeah.
Now that makes sense.
That's usually what they do.
Yeah, the game did.
Yeah.
But that's actually an interesting plot.
That I could, yeah, I could get on board.
Yeah, because like this whole thing of him suddenly scared of spiders that we haven't learned, unless there was a line that we missed.
Yeah.
It's definitely wasn't a thing they paid emphasis on until that moment.
I was like, okay, is he just going to fight Spider-Man?
Are they saying he's going to fight Spider-Man because he thinks Spider-Man's an actual spider?
You're like, I just, I just figured it was going to be like an...
They're going to make a man spider because of Miles Warren.
It would make sense.
Why do you fight that leopard?
I don't know.
You got me there.
Because he can.
There's a lot of questions.
There's a lot of questions.
questions and not the kind of questions that make for good film theories more just what happened here
all right well i don't want to stop talking about this movie but we have to oh man leave your
thoughts down below uh thanks guys for joining us thanks for having me what am i trying to say
thanks everyone for being here bring that bell all right it's all done it's bye