The Reel Rejects - MALCOLM X (1992) IS POWERFUL!! MOVIE REVIEW!! First Time Watching!

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Starting point is 00:01:30 Let's go. If you're with us, still hello. The Real Rumi's, myself, Aaron, and Andrew, we just watched. Malcolm X. If you are listening on Apple or Spotify, please go and give us five stars wow what an experience and uh rejignation shop

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Starting point is 00:02:20 obviously we talked right at the beginning me and Andrew kind of both been going through it our mind is um literally today but I I walked away from this movie feeling all kinds of things I feel

Starting point is 00:02:37 I feel empowered I feel sad I feel angry I feel hopeful and it just speaks to the experience to what movies do for sure

Starting point is 00:02:50 um yeah I'm I'm proud I'm heartbroken and there's just a lot to talk about you know he's a great man who experienced a lot in his lifetime and there's just so much to

Starting point is 00:03:15 one just how this movie was made really being able to encapsulate a lot of his life within a three hour film and it being able to, one, just have an incredible pace, like three hours and 20 minutes. I never felt that runtime for one second. I didn't feel it because it was used so wisely and so incredibly. I,

Starting point is 00:03:44 I wasn't lost for words. I think that Spike Lee did an incredible job with this movie. I don't know what Oscars did it won, but I think that it's well deserving of whatever Oscar won, Denzel. I'll look that up later. It was incredible in the film. I'm still processing. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:00 And that's kind of the nature of what we do here, right? We have to kind of go through this experience of different emotional intensities and then kind of have a fully formulated opinion seconds after it's over, which is not an easy task, but I'm still processing. So I'm going to pass it off to answer it. Well, it's one thing if it's just an incredibly powerful film, but another one, it's an actually actual biography and like this actually did occur in real life and I mean I'll talk about a lot of different things that I'm feeling and going through I mean incredibly powerful film I haven't really if I've seen any Spike Lee films and nothing's coming to mind and he's an incredible director

Starting point is 00:04:41 obviously and he did a magnificent job on this really did a lot of homework actually really I mean he only had a few scenes but they were very impactful scenes in the short amount of time he had totally um and uh denzil washington i he really embodied the role uh i mean even this the couple moments we saw of the real malcolm here at the end i was like wow like denzil really uh did an incredible job just encapsulating himself and really becoming the character almost to the point like you don't even see den obviously of course i'm not talking about like his face or anything i'm just talking about when you hear him speak Like he is Malcolm X.

Starting point is 00:05:23 Yeah. You know, and I, again, I assume he won the Oscar. I'll look it up after when we get to the trivia and all that stuff. But if he didn't, I'd be shocked. But incredible performance. I mean, one of the, I know it could be recently biased when I'm saying this, but it's just, I mean, one of my favorite Denzel performances I've ever seen. Just one of the best performances in general I've ever seen.

Starting point is 00:05:45 It's just a powerful moving performance. And just the different stages that he went through as, as a human being, as a character in general, throughout life, I mean, everything he had to go through from losing his family as a young boy, you know, with his father, then being separated from his siblings and his mother,

Starting point is 00:06:09 then being told a certain way, you know, that he's less than nothing, he's less than human, and just accepting that. And because he thought that was normal. And then, you know, then doing the hustler life and becoming a thief and fornication and all that. And then going to prison and then, you know, being invested in Elijah Muhammad's beliefs in Islam and then actually going, you know, like once he learned like, once he figured out, like, hey, we're not even preaching what we're saying. We're not even doing what we're preaching here. and having his whole worldview shattered

Starting point is 00:06:52 and then like actually going you know to the Mecca to like see like hey like I want I actually want this to mean something when I say it because I know I have a powerful voice here because I think the scene that really impacted me the most and especially like for Malcolm too is that that guy you said was like oh my guys is the one presenting him now the one who showed up in the things like

Starting point is 00:07:12 I want to be Muslim was like do you even know what that means he's like well you should know what that means it's like well you don't even know what that means because like this guy um elijah mohammed like he's twisted this entire thing to his will kind of so to speak so like you need to go to the mecca like in order yourself like to understand what it is that you are in fact preaching right he's bastardized yeah yeah he definitely bastardized the message so i there's a lot of interesting and subtle like um foreshadowing and messaging and symbolization throughout the entire film that i really appreciated um uh and just thought it was

Starting point is 00:07:49 was like really powerfully done and executed in a way that just like really hit me like that too right there like again that was just an incredible like foreshadowing when he did that with that kid and then like then he was presenting in there but also too that was just for himself as well like when he saw that his worldview was shattered it's like oh now I got to do this but just seeing the transformation of himself and also seeing the buildup of how he becomes this prevalent you know person especially had such a time of horrific injustice during the civil rights movement, you know, when people were just looking for a voice and someone to relate to these awful atrocities, it's just incredible just to see how we rose up the ranks. And I know you kind of spoke about, you know,

Starting point is 00:08:34 how we would have liked to have spent a little more time just seeing that, but I personally thought it was well done, it was fine. Could they spend maybe a little more time for sure? But I think like it was, I thought it was done in a way where, like, I thought, you know, structurally, story-wise, like it was done in a way. I'm like, okay, I see, like, we're starting, I'm small, we're on the street here, and then it's slowly building up, and then it kind of did happen a little bit fast, a little bit abrupt, but I thought it was fine. But, yeah, just, what an impactful, amazing film. And like you said, too, in regards to the runtime, with a three-hour and 14 minute film however long was, I never for one second felt that runtime. I was just

Starting point is 00:09:15 totally encapsulated by the story, by the characters of what I was just seeing, what I was feeling. And that just says a lot about what pacing is for movies. Like, you can have a movie that's an hour and a half that can feel like five or six hours, and you can have a movie that's three hours and 14 minutes and feel like about 20 or 30 minutes. So pacing is a very important thing when it comes to films. And I think this film really nailed it. No, I 100% agree. I think it is the epitome of being able to master tone and pacing by kind of segmenting this movie into the three parts of Malcolm's life.

Starting point is 00:09:56 You know, seeing his childhood and his early adulthood within the first hour. And then right around the time that first hour is ending, we see his transition into learning about Islam. and Isaiah Mohammed Elijah Muhammad Elijah Mohammed and him

Starting point is 00:10:16 having that again that that rebirth he was born like three times he was born three or four times with the course of this movie for sure and just the change in perspective

Starting point is 00:10:27 because you see him in the 1940s and I wanted to make a comment earlier in the movie but the fact that he would put the substance in his hair to make it to assimilate to popular culture or whiteness at the time. And I think what only added to that is this element of, which I think Denzel's performance

Starting point is 00:10:49 is incredible. I think he's ever really able to encapsulate his mannerisms, his personality, his, this larger-than-life essence that he kind of exuded. But the thing that also plays a part into it a little bit, and I'd be curious to kind of other other perspectives on this and just um taking more information because i think this is one going to be one of those things where i'm like kind of like do a deeper dive after our experience here is that um malcolm x was a what was a what's a light skin black man and i think denzil's uh kind of of a darker complexion and watching um i think it was easier for malcolm at the time

Starting point is 00:11:32 to assimilate because of the the tone of his skin but um again, Denzel was able to capture him in such an authentic and powerful light. He was powerful, he was vulnerable. He was sincere in every scene that he embodied and even watching that transition through the different states of his life. You see this through line of this power, the through line of this resilience and this fearlessness through the evolution of his his perspective and his what he perceives to be his truth in life from his his swindling and his um drug addicted days where he would rob he was

Starting point is 00:12:23 still that charming guy you know he's still quick on his feet he was still witty to him then preaching the word of of uh of Muhammad right and how powerful he got through just that alone and then because he reached such heights he then was able to find his own meaning his own redefining of what it meant to bring Islam to America and it's crazy because

Starting point is 00:12:53 they had radically different paths of getting there but essentially it feels like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X kind of found like a through line like a similar point of the unity of humanity through their experiences as black men coming up in the 60s. So that watching that and watching his path to getting there was incredibly fascinating

Starting point is 00:13:18 and educational and hurtful as well. Just the, you know, you're fighting for something that is supposed to be about unity within your community. You're fighting for something that's supposed to be about the betterment. of man and you're attempting you're doing this under the belief of having positive change within your world

Starting point is 00:13:44 positive change within your community and you were taught these principles that want to hold you that force you to hold yourself to a higher standard but then having the the people that taught you those things not hold themselves to that higher standard causing a shattering

Starting point is 00:14:02 of faith and yeah I can only imagine imagine what that does to somebody, like the shattering of their perception two, three times over within a lifetime. And I imagine he wasn't even that old. I don't know how old he was. I mean, I was a shattering of worldview, maybe identity crisis. I mean, for sure. Yeah. No, I can imagine. And also at the time, too, you're dealing with so much paranoia just because you're getting threatening phone calls. There's also a time of injustice. I mean, he's just like the stress levels. are, I mean, just the scenes, I was just also, like, I know it wasn't, like, meant to be a

Starting point is 00:14:38 suspenseful film in that manner, but just, like, from, I felt suspense in terms of, like, just from all the phone calls, whenever cameras would go off and I'd hear gunshot, like, I was just in fear of him just from being, imagining, like, vicariously living through him, through his eyes. Like, I felt for him every scene, you know what I mean? Yeah. I can't imagine the stress of him and his wife, like, having to go through everything that they had to go through um yeah just in general at that time but just everything else from the threats and just

Starting point is 00:15:09 just just everything they had to deal with and it's just it was a wild time to say the least a threatening and insane time um so yeah yeah i mean granted it's it's not to the level that it was today and like some of those things are right still prevalent exactly they're still prevalent and you know go under different names the hate that still permeates through culture and division and yeah and yeah it's

Starting point is 00:15:39 kind of crazy that this movie was made over 30 years ago and still there's so much relevancy with not not only the fact that it was made 30 years ago but this takes place in the 60s, the 40 years of the 60s and just how much is still

Starting point is 00:15:55 around is disheartening and yeah and yeah I I've lived with some of it myself. You know, I was stopped in high school when I was walking to school and I was stopped and frisked and had my bag emptied and had my body felt up because I was just walking in a neighborhood and they thought I was robbing somebody, robbing a neighborhood and I was just walking. I was a 17-year-old kid, you know, and it sucks that this kind of is still around and I'm

Starting point is 00:16:25 but I'm still hopeful and I'm happy that you know he Malcolm X went through this evolution of self finding finding

Starting point is 00:16:36 Islam and what that what that did for him and his and how he carried himself and then finding the truth of what that religion was not through the lens of of this guy who had his own

Starting point is 00:16:50 ulterior motives but through the purity of intention of what that was supposed to be and then coming to a sense of self from there, like taking those principles and compounding them to be something else. And I am curious to see what would have come in him if he not had been murdered. But also kind of go back to your point, the gunshots, right? That was like a constant motif of the movie.

Starting point is 00:17:14 And watching just when we get to the point of his assassination, the rawness and the brutality of how that was captured on film was just like so. jarring and like it's just like it was a moment but it was also um very like i don't say matter of fact that's not the word i'm looking for but it it was just so raw in the sense like yeah he just was a shot up on the floor just like in front of his children in front of his children in front of his congregation just it's really terrible just really i mean it would have been terrible no matter where he gets shot but like you just said in front of his kids and his wife yeah i'm really curious what happened to them but yeah yeah i see you have your phone out though

Starting point is 00:17:59 um well i was just gonna before i even get into trivia um some shocking stuff here when it comes to the academy awards um the film was not even nominated for best picture what the films nominated for best picture were unforgiven the crying game a few good men howards and incentive a woman um okay uh best director no spike lee wow um best actor Denzel Washington was nominated but he did not win Al Pacino won for scent of a woman now that would have been

Starting point is 00:18:32 I will admit that would have been a very tough choice have you seen scent of a woman no I don't want to think about it I will just tell you this because I want to stay on topic here with Malcolm X Al Pacino was insanely amazing in that movie but this performance was insanely amazing too

Starting point is 00:18:50 that would have been a all I'm saying is that would have been a very hard choice but again very shocking on that one too but yeah that's pretty much looks like it's it for the nominations if there's other ones I'm just not seeing it or I could be missing it but I'm not really seeing any other than Denso

Starting point is 00:19:07 which is kind of from like nothing with writing nothing with director nothing with cinematography snubbed yeah I'm kind of shocked actually but then I'm not so IMDB let's see if you I saw that in the thing

Starting point is 00:19:23 my head got uh malcolm x um okay do some trivia here yeah i'm still processing yeah no it's all that's that's that's like that's like some of some of the like i mean we love what we do here but like especially with a thought provoking and like sometimes like you can't get all your thoughts out right away with a film like this there's certain films like hey i can i can get it all out right now and then there's other films like the next year like oh man now it really got some thoughts right now flowing so yeah no i feel yeah say the next year the next day oh the next day yeah i knew what you meant it's not like you said you though but uh the image of denzo washington holding the m1 carbine and peering out the curtains as a direct visual recreation of

Starting point is 00:20:08 the iconic photo uh that appeared in life magazine mentioned that uh director spike lee removed all mention of louis farrakhan from the film after receiving specific direct threats from him. At least there, come. Mm-hmm. Interesting. I don't know who that is.

Starting point is 00:20:27 We didn't talk about it, but... Let's see. Malcolm X's widow, Dr. Betsy Shabazz served as a consultant to this film. I wonder if she's still alive. No, she passed in 1997.

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Starting point is 00:24:16 The film features three generations of Washington's. Denzel Washington, his son, John David, Washington, and his mother, Lenis, Washington. John David's in this movie? Yeah. Let's see which role he played. I imagine you might have been the extra or something. I didn't recognize it.

Starting point is 00:24:32 Let's see who he played in Malcolm X. Student in Harlem Classroom. Okay. James Baldwin's screenplay was written and completed in over two years after co-writer. Arnold Perry's death in 1971 Baldwin's family asked that his name be removed therefore Spike Lee shares

Starting point is 00:24:52 on-screen credit with the late Pearl I'll read one more and then just do a couple of spoiler ones with a total screen time of two hours and 21 minutes and 58 seconds about 70% of the film Danzel Washington's performance is the longest ever to be nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor in Leanerall

Starting point is 00:25:12 I felt like he was in more of the movie than that or my crazy. There scenes he wasn't in, but yeah, that's, that's an entire runtime. That's, no, I know, but the movie's three hours and 14 minutes. That means there's about 56 minutes where he's not in it. Did it feel like there was 56 minutes where he's not? I mean, I don't think he would feel it because you're thinking about like the stuff that's like, remember the beginning of the movie?

Starting point is 00:25:35 He's like, it's just like VO. So that's kind of the would count. It's spread out. There's not like chunks of the movies. Right. I guess you just don't feel it throughout because they do a good job of spreading it all over that. it feels like he's in the whole movie basically. Yeah, he's in his spirit and his presence

Starting point is 00:25:48 permeates throughout all of them. Right, right. Yeah. At one point, Oliver Stone expressed interest in directing this project. As a follow-up to JFK, I have never seen that of you. No. And his first choice to play Malcolm X was Denzo Washington. Wow. It would have been a great choice and it was a great choice.

Starting point is 00:26:05 Let's go to spoilers. Just do like two or three. We'll call it. Oh, these, I'll do the two spoilers, I guess. All right. uh one's a little bit long so just brace yourselves here um but it got a lot of people that are interested in this one uh in the film a white student offers her help to malcolm x who rudely declines this scene is based on a real life event

Starting point is 00:26:27 and malcolm regretted it after he left the nation of islam he said and i quote brother remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant the one who wanted to help the black muslims and the whites get together and i told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent, I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of arguments. I did many things as a black Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then.

Starting point is 00:26:58 Like all black Muslims, I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction, and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself. If he's ready to pay the cost, it cost me 12 years. yeah because i feel like his perspective lacked a lot lack the nuance of considering other things outside of america and other races as well but you definitely understood where his frustration was coming of course after everything he's been through and at that time too and what he believed in like again whether you agreed with or not you understood why he believed that and it was also yeah my first inclings of um how i not being who uh malcolm perceived him to be came in that one

Starting point is 00:27:42 scene where he was talking with his wife and it kept cutting between him talking with Muhammad and talking with his wife like just the way he was talking just like okay this feels like a different person than who we who Malcolm perceived him to be in prison who he was when he first met him so like I got the sense that there was something because most leaders I can't I can't speak for all but most have an abuse of power relationship going on especially with when it comes to women as well. So it's just really unfortunate that a guy who taught the lessons that he did

Starting point is 00:28:16 fell to that. To that level. After the assassination, all footage of Malcolm X is of the real man, mostly in Black Owen. I think we knew that already, but yeah. Okay. Well, that was great. That was an amazing film.

Starting point is 00:28:34 Amazing performance, too. Obviously, it's recent he buys, but it's definitely, I think, one of my favorite film experiences here on the Rail Rejects and I think also just in general I'm happy that I got to experience it with my roomie here and with you guys yeah this movie definitely impacted me in a very powerful way I want to be processing and thinking about for many hours and probably days after this recording but yeah thank you guys for joining us so much we love to do this and

Starting point is 00:29:04 have you guys and yeah we will see you guys the next one deuses Chris Wham, Wham. Who's that? Literally, as long as we've been talking, I have, he's the only person. Chris.

Starting point is 00:29:22 Chris. Have you given all during the fires? Yes. To some charitable's into some go funds. Good. I just officially paid the thing today. Yeah. And we matched it too.

Starting point is 00:29:40 So we whatever it was, we just double it. And giving is such a fascinating subject, isn't it? It is. It's like the best thing to think about. And the time it's most important is when choices are the most hard, right? Yeah. You know? And sometimes it shouldn't be so hard to give.

Starting point is 00:30:04 But I think we are, we grew up in a. primarily in like the culture we've grown up in has been it doesn't feel like it's been about giving you know no it's about harboring is what it mainly feels like i think there's a lot more voices out there about the importance of giving but we even had to kind of convince people to give so that way you benefit off of it in some way because and i and i think um and what i mean by that is like sometimes by giving it does uh it can make you feel good you can do it for write-offs there's like a billion reasons that you could do it if you're like oh the more like i really do believe that if you want to receive more money you have to learn how to give money as well yeah you know like it's a big

Starting point is 00:30:45 belief in myself like oh if i want to make more i got to be willing to give more right and i think sometimes things are black and white but i've really become a term with uh obsessed with the term mutually beneficial sure because mutually beneficial i think it's a totally cool and a perfectly okay as long as you do care for the other person to benefit as well. If it's from a mutual motivation. Yeah. Yeah. Even if it is like, yes, I stand to benefit something off of this.

Starting point is 00:31:16 If we're helping each other grow, it's all grow. And I think when it comes to giving, that sounds like you're sacrificing, getting rid of, to some people, right? So then when you, when you, but really you do have something to gain when you give. You're adding your support to something. You're out of your support to something. Um, and your character wise, I do think you, you, you, you get that. I think it's just laws of the universe, man. I think you get something back in some way.

Starting point is 00:31:43 It feels carmatic. Oh, that's a great way to put it. If people, that's a word, carmatic? I think so. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's, it's someone probably smushed it really work. Because it sounds like automatic. It's like, and karma. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:56 That's a, really. Yeah, I cannot, I cannot take it. I know I've heard it used at least. Damn, that's strong. It does, if you ever hope, if you have. the wish that in dire times someone might help you yeah it you're it's like there's no the thing is you have to do it blind and with faith and for the sole reason that it's good to do because you know it's like you can't count on it coming back but if you hope it will you should probably put that out

Starting point is 00:32:22 there what you just said that latter part is where i my whole life is me based off of me doing what i can to be a good person by taking the right actions you know because of what i grew up with but that part i i do have a struggle with it does it does take me like a second to to like just push the button because you know it's right well where i don't feel like that in a very genuine way why i'm all this up where i don't feel someone struggles with that based off of their actions and not solely dependent on my interactions with them is chris wammoth by the way he does even with like especially with us when he gives like these large amounts out of nowhere

Starting point is 00:33:07 or a lot of the time and like it doesn't even say anything it is an unusual kindness that I don't think I possess maybe maybe I do in some way but not with that level of action when it does come to money and I do feel like

Starting point is 00:33:24 there are times like there are people like Chris where I tend to tip pretty well I feel like if someone wanted to cancel me of overtipping I'd be like you'd have a hard time do it. I'm a pretty fair tipper. I try to make it

Starting point is 00:33:39 worth you while. I'm not like, who did they do this? I tend to just be like, nah. Unless something was like terrible. Like we're, yeah, we have, yeah, there's like a baseline like yeah, I'm just going to tip you nice. Although I am starting to understand some other aspects of like under like the value

Starting point is 00:33:55 of tipping, right? Because tipping, especially in L.A. It's so important to tip because people really live off that. You know, it just this is a lot of times where I have been like you know I order something for pickup they get it ready in five minutes I just go pick it up and then it's the automated machines and it's like you want to tip 25 30 percent I'm like I mean not really there is a weird line like it's it okay like unless this was like a

Starting point is 00:34:23 holiday or something but but I'm like is that should be okay right to be like well there's I will still tip but will I go high on that tip that's a question yeah it's like what's the like because yeah okay so like if i'm ordering a mobile starbuck like or you know whoever a coffee bean whoever is appropriate to buy coffee from right now usually i if i have the time i'm going to a place that doesn't have an app at all but you know if you're ordering a mobile yeah and there's a tip option usually i'll throw in the same kind of tip i would have but yeah if it's just like if you're like like 40 if i'm paying if i'm tipping you to like just bring the thing i bought over here for me to grab it like yeah it's like it's like it's nice to tip

Starting point is 00:35:05 if it's like I was thinking you're comfortable enough but I feel like there's a greater understanding of like well there's not the same level of like attentive service that you're receiving and like craft that you're necessarily receiving in certain scenarios

Starting point is 00:35:19 to where yeah you go like is is a tip part of this interaction or is it more just us acknowledging that it's hard out there and hey I'm here so maybe a tip yeah I think a little tip is and then now say so I got if you drop like a few bucks in or something like that sure

Starting point is 00:35:33 but I'm like there's people up there probably have a completely different philosophy. There are people who are shitty tippers and don't tip to do do that whole like estimation, right? Yeah. I'm, I wish I had like honestly, I'm just scared to beat three hours. I'm like, I don't want to be that. A little bit. I'm scared of that because I'm like, what if I run into a conflict over the tip?

Starting point is 00:35:53 And I don't want to. I'm like, I just want to give a kid to you. Yeah, you don't want to end up in a Larry David situation in a world where we live in an out of context archive where like, you know, it kind of doesn't matter once somebody throws the idea. Yeah, there's a big part of me that just wants to be like, no, you know, like here's why. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, I don't feel like Chris is that. I feel like Chris is always like this giant ass tipper. Chris just does what's, he's just a good fucking person.

Starting point is 00:36:18 Chris seems to have achieved or I admire that you have the ability to what seems like, yeah, put support in the places you want to as you see fit. And it's hard to do that for people because we just live in a, we live in a society where like money is. in certain places it doesn't belong, which creates the situation where, yeah, it feels like I got to get a surplus before I can start really like, yeah, being a little more charitable and how I think or whatever. You get, it's harder in society to get out of the scarcity mindset to be generous that way, which is why it's such a weird problem. Yeah. You know, because I'm sure for certain people being petty about tipping, they don't have to worry about it at all. But sometimes people are also worried about it because just like, yeah, those little things add up. And that's also real and it's rough. So like, the you know you lead by an example as much as obviously it benefits your generosity benefits us and benefits the causes that you know that helps toward in certain situations as well like i'm inspired to get to a point where yeah like i wouldn't have to sweat the kinds of displays of generosity you have shown us you know consistent basis and to feel just like totally you know to feel mainly concerned with the goodness that that is like yes that that that's a good gesture i put support into something i care about and that's all i'm kind of concerned about it's like hey attacks right off or whatever that's just a a bonus for eight months down the line sure sure yeah man chris you have been an inspiration so thank you man absolutely

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